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Meet The "Surveillance State Repeal Act" – A Bipartisan Bill To Kill The Patriot Act
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Revelations about the NSA’s programs reveal the extraordinary extent to which the program has invaded Americans’ privacy. I reject the notion that we must sacrifice liberty for security — we can live in a secure nation which also upholds a strong commitment to civil liberties. This legislation ends the NSA’s dragnet surveillance practices, while putting provisions in place to protect the privacy of American citizens through real and lasting change.
– Rep. Mark Pocan on the Surveillance State Repeal Act
Whenever I hear “bipartisan bill,” the first thing that pops into my mind is that classic George Carlin quote:
The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.
Nevertheless, when I looked at the sponsors and some of the language being used with regard to the Surveillance State Repeal Act, it became pretty clear to me that this bill might actually do what it says. While I’m unfamiliar with Mark Pocan, I’m familiar with Thomas Massie as a result of his close relationship with one of the few members of Congress I respect, Justin Amash.
Before discussing the bill in question, some background information is helpful. While the bill appears to have little chance of going anywhere due to the total embrace of fascism within Congressional leadership, its introduction seems in part related to positioning ahead of the expiration of key provisions of the Patriot Act, set to expire on June 1st.
The Hill covered the importance of this earlier in the year. Here are a few excerpts:
In five months, key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire, potentially eliminating spying programs that intelligence officials say are critical to keeping the nation safe from terrorists.
The battle over what changes should be made to that law — and whether it should be reauthorized at all — is likely to be an early test of Republican leaders’ ability to keep their party unified while controlling both chambers of Congress.
“I think there is going to be a very inconvenient and strong difference of opinion within the Republican Party about how to proceed here,” said Kevin Bankston, policy director at the New America Foundation’s Open Technology Institute and a supporter of reforms to the spying law.
On June 1, key portions of the Patriot Act that update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) are set to expire. Among them is Section 215, which the National Security Agency (NSA) has used to authorize the collection of bulk records about millions of U.S. citizens’ phone calls.
Section 215 has been highlighted previously here on this site. See:
NSA Holds “Top Secret” Meeting to Stop Powerful Anti-Spying Amendment
Patriot Act Author Prepares Strong Bill to Rein in NSA Abuses…Calls for Prosecution of James Clapper
The program — which collects only “metadata” about people’s calls, such as which numbers were dialed and when, and not actual conversations — was the most controversial part of Edward Snowden’s leaks about the NSA, and has become the prime focus of privacy advocates on Capitol Hill.
But supporters of the NSA are fighting back, and say the debate over phone data has overshadowed the national security imperatives that led lawmakers to empower the agency in the first place.
They say recent world events have helped their case.
Then last week, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) credited the Patriot Act with helping to prevent a terror attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The “attack” Boehner is referring to was completely manufactured by the FBI. It was never a real threat, see:
The fact he is so willing to shamelessly lie in order to maintain surveillance powers is simply incredible.
Critics of the spy agency were quick to question Boehner’s take on the Capitol plot.
The FBI said it relied on Twitter messages and an undercover source to gather information about the suspect, Christopher Cornell — not wiretaps or call records.
Boehner told reporters there was more to the story, but declined to get into details.
So basically Boehner’s argument comes down to “we can’t tell you why we need to spy on you, but trust us.” The fact this clown is the leader of Republicans in the House of “Representatives” tells you all you need to know.
Fortunately, not all members of the House are such slimy liars. The Hill has also reported on the bipartisan bill to dismantle the Patriot Act, known as the Surveillance State Repeal Act. Here are some excerpts:
A pair of House lawmakers wants to completely repeal the Patriot Act and other legal provisions to dramatically rein in American spying.
Reps. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) and Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) on Tuesday unveiled their Surveillance State Repeal Act, which would overhaul American spying powers unlike any other effort to reform the National Security Agency.
“This isn’t just tinkering around the edges,” Pocan said during a Capitol Hill briefing on the legislation. “This is a meaningful overhaul of the system, getting rid of essentially all parameters of the Patriot Act.”
The bill would completely repeal the Patriot Act, the sweeping national security law passed in the days after Sept. 11, 2001, as well as the 2008 FISA Amendments Act, another spying law that the NSA has used to justify collecting vast swaths of people’s communications through the Internet.
It would also reform the secretive court that oversees the nation’s spying powers, prevent the government from forcing tech companies to create “backdoors” into their devices and create additional protections for whistleblowers.
We should all do whatever we possibly can to move this bill forward, as well as thank Rep. Pocan and Rep. Massie for their efforts.
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nothing will get better...
Time to refresh and review the Congressional blackmail files the NSA holds on everyone.
What did these scumbags finally realize the NSA has no interest in joe sixpack but rather the movers and shakers in business and politics. Fuckin Morons. FU keep the patriot act and let it bite them in the ass
Actually, you're the fuckin moron, because Pocan didn't assume office until 2013, and Massie didn't until 2012. So they can't be held responsible for the patriot act's depredations. But facts like these probably don't mean much to you - because you're a fucking moron.
I'm quite sure our benevolent rulers are going to give back the power that they have amassed.
pods
"There comes a time in every man's life where he's ready to run up the black flag and start cutting throats." -- H. L. Menchen
Hello, snowball...welcome to hell.
That's how good this bill's chances are of doing anything beneficial.
Are we supposed to believe the data center in Bluffdale, UT, will be dismantled? Do you how deep that place is? Proverbs 26:27 27 Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein.
What a fuck'n joke. The elite banksters/mic/msm break every law with impunity. So what's the solution -- pass another fucking law.
The solution is to start jailing people who break the law NOW. Start with the dirty prosecutors and cops. Then let their cleaner replacements fan out into the gov ranks and clean house.
"Please, massa, let me be free! I promise I'll be good!"
The fact that there are still people who take a political solution seriously at this late hour dumbfounds me.
Absolutely my favorite Mencken quote.
Yes, just like Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus. Models of civil virtue and servitude, all of them.
More theatrics incoming - even if congress manages to pass this, Il Douche will veto. Much chest-thumping and hollow chatter from congresscritters about how they were trying to right wrongs will follow. Net result: status quo.
If this bill even looks close, there will be a large false flag killing in the US. Barry will not it pass. Stay out of malls.
What's the pachyderm in the room?
Many have forgotten the central issue: the surveillance state is predicated on the 9/11 false flag and Operation Cyclone's Al-CIA-duh (now morphed into ISIS) metastasizing boogeyman threat. Wringing our hands over small checks on the central banker's spying apparutus when the entire house of cards needs to fall.
As long as the extensive documented history of false flags is not part of the public consciousness the surveillance state will continue to grow until our cages are so tight our keepers will have to periodically jab sticks into our flanks - like the factory hog farms.
he does keep living the same day over and over again...
you must be a terrorist because it seems you have something to hide
Only one politician I know of managed to not be obviously bought and paid for within 2 weeks of getting into office. That guy's kid was bought and paid for within 2 weeks of being in office. How many more times are you going to let yourself be played?
They better up their life insurance TODAY!
Boating accidents
Scuba diving accidents
Traffic accidents
Small plane crashes
Sudden death (heart failure is popular)
I recall the outrage like it was yesterday when I learned that the identity of contractors receiving $$$$ from DHS and the amounts they would receive would not be disclosed as that knowledge undermines secrecy and national security.
I watched the Parallax View(1974) last night. The only thing they didn't have back then were nail guns!
Gov't will never give up Power that easily. They will still find a way to track how many squares of toilet paper you use for each event. The dirty work may just be transferred to Google and FaceBook
Anything you post to Facefuck and make public is fair game for them even under the Constitution. If you don't make it public, if somebody that you let see it decideds they don't like it and want to report it, it's fair game.
Ya that's why I deleted my Facebook a while ago. I kept getting into arguments with old high school friends, both left and right, and was eventually going to say something that got me in trouble. I went through and deleted everything I had ever done , then deleted my profile. I realize all that stuff is still saved somewhere , but there is no point in exacerbating it.
Haha with half of them invested in the companies that support DHS and all things security, I'm sure this bill will float about as well as a lead balloon.
the new guy at CIA, a jew, who cowrote the Patriot act .............
''At the start of his career at the Treasury, Cohen was a legal advisor who was involved during the administration of then President George W. Bush with the drafting of the USA Patriot Act of 2001 that limited civil rights in the aftermath of the September 11 terror attacks. ''
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Meet-David-Cohen-The-Jewish-sanctions-guru...
Let's rephase your opening statement a couple of different ways and see if it sounds less bigoted shall we?
"the new guy at CIA, a black, who cowrote the Patriot act"
"the new guy at CIA, a mexican, who cowrote the Patriot act"
"the new hire at CIA, a female, who cowrote the Patriot act"
"the new guy at CIA, a christian, who cowrote the Patriot act"
Nope, sounds just as ignorant any way you try it...
What's the rephrasing needed for? The truth hurt there asshole? Whats wrong with stating a fact? If it was about a muslim you can be damned sure you would be on the rooftops calling that out.
Attempted misdirection. Looks like a fail to me.
LOL the Jerusalem Post was being bigoted when it described Mr Cohen as a jew. That "Hugh jOrgan" obviously is,nt sitting atop your neck :)
. . . because if things got better (i.e. the so-called 'Patriot' Act was repealed), then the deep state would orchestrate a FF terror attack thereafter that would be so horrific that the voters would be begging for the reinstatement of the so-called 'Patriot' Act.
Assume it must be big FF time
Suuuure!!! And meet my "Money Tree for Everyone Act" AKA -- "The Yellen Tree Act"
I agree that nothing will get better, but I support this law getting passed anyway. It'll make it a shitload easier to hang the bastards when the revolution comes if they're breaking their own laws. Otherwise it's no ex-post-facto and all that.
Does anyone seriously think that repealing the PATRIOT Act will make a difference? There is no rule of law in this country and hasn't been in quite some time. Democrats and republicans don't give a damn about anything except getting elected and re-elected. Even Rand "Faux libertarian" Paul has now said he wants to raise military spending by $160 Billion in the next couple of years. He's a stooge for the military-industrial complex like the rest of them save for his father. Rudy Giuliani recently was quoted as saying - "We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.” Get that? Freedom is about authority. George Orwell must be laughing in his grave.
A stand for just principle and to resist tyranny is always right. Not to try to overturn this crap just gives
the authorities all the more ability to shout down any opposition to this. Why do you think they wanted
to enact these laws if they were going to spy on Americans regardless... because it is SO MUCH EASIER with this
law in place. Evil flourishes where good men do nothing to oppose it.
You should have stopped at the Carlin quote.
Repeal the Patriot act? I'll believe it when I see it. Go ahead and shut down Bluffdale while you are at it. It's nothing more than a jobs program for geeks anyway, and not the "best and brightest" either...
brought to you by the same guys who gave you the patriot act, in the first place. like you, i guess i am just skeptical.
maybe not so skeptical as an anchor draging the bottom when others try to row the boat--
oh -and get your facts right about who gave us the patriot act--please
you calling me an anchor, bro?
Maskone- You are wrong on this one. I can speak for Thomas Massie's character. In full disclosure, I worked a bit for him on his first congressional campaign. The second time around, he did not need help. He has been consistently the good guy. Do a little research and you will see. He is smart and very much wants to do right by us. There are a handful like him out there. Instead of us all griping all the time, this is our chance to get the fire lit and support a great idea and guy. If not, you get this: http://hoh.rollcall.com/congresswoman-demonstrates-worst-parking-job-eve...
Lay off the hopium please.
Bull Shit...never sees the light of day. Masters will never relenquish their control....they had to blow a lot of shit up to get Patriot Act in, it will never be repealed, only revised and revised again to further corral the sheepole
Yes, just like any "financial reform" bill. Power and control is never given up, it must be taken by force. It's like asking someone like John Corzine to indict themselves. Not going to happen.
heeeyyyy, you fucked up, you trusted us?
D-Day
We need about 100,000 like him right now.
...maybe so, jmf, but this bill gives me a raging boner nonetheless.
So there is still some hope
Paraphrasing Carlin, you have to be asleep to believe that dream.
if you read the bill you'll see parts that extend the terms for fisa "court" "judges". i am 100% serious! it's right there, just click the link in the article. might as well call it the "if you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom American liberty" act
Pay no attention to the bill that goes in but read, very carefully, the bill that comes out. People are getting pissed and the politicians want to keep their cushy jobs, I expect the opposite from what they claim they'll do.....
You guys are all Debbie Downers..........what a bunch of blowharts.
Complacent too.
The words you are looking for are cynical, paranoid and pessimistic because an optimist is NEVER pleasantly surprised....
Supporting this bill is superior to doing nothing but griping in chatrooms. The tyrants just LUV apathetic people
who use skepticism to exonerate themselves from making the effort to take positive action.
Rep. Pocan may just suffer four nailguns to the back of the head...a terrible accident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pocan
Edit: Openly gay democrat. Interesting. Further emboldens my disadain for both parties as piece of shit is as piece of shit does.
I expect no passage, but kudos for trying.
"I expect no passage..."
What a bunch of whiny pants we have become.
Nothing good happens in a democracy, w/o We The People getting off our lard assessment and actively participating. As Krieger ("Warrior" in German) urges us, we need to contact our respective Congressman and lobby him/her HARD to do the right thing.
In the final analysis, a People truly deserve their leaders.
Right... and it was the fault of the olive oil merchants that Rome fell.
But, go ahead, beg those politicians to save you from... them.
I have a Poli Sci degree. Calling a congressman will do nothing. I fear, at this point, it is a collapse that will do anything....whether that is good or bad I do not know. As for getting off of my lardass, I would believe that switching careers and leaving an almost 6 figure job for another degree in education to try and ebb that shit flow for my daughters so I may be "in the game" is quite the daunting task that proves my willingness to enact my own change. I have moved myself to taking on Ivory Tower Assholes of education...I PLAN ON MAKING A MARK.
@Kirk Wherever it was i that I pissed you off, I believe it was a year or so ago, I apologize. I find your comments usually good. however, this is fight club and we should respect those who throw a strong punch instead of holding grudges.....
Kick thier ass IR. The public education system has become one giant asshole at this point (and many private systems are just predators).
That's the plan.
IR- See my comment above. There are a handful of decent guys in congress. You have to start somewhere, and these guys can use all the help they can get as they try to do right by us.
IR, I honestly do not recall what you are referring to in regards to "holding a grudge", and also agree with most of your comments.
My "lardass" comment was not directed at you or anyone specifically, but at the overall populace that fits this description of being "Uninformed, Lazy, Scared or Disorganized", since these are not the attributes of a true or enduring 'democracy'.
Until 2 years ago, I too worked in the MIC, making a nice 6-figure salary for years. Then someone sent me a link to ZH, and that changed... everything. Spending time on ZH, and the changes in me (speaking up by citing facts and asking "awkward questions" made people uncomfortable, I caused too much Cog.Dis.), got me shit-canned. You might say that I "got off my lardass", tried to make a difference, and killed my career. Good luck getting back in at 50+. And FWIW, my uncles and grandparents gave their lives fighting Fascism in WW2.
Which perhaps explains why I also expect others to "DO something", rather than just blog from the safety of their secret ID. You know, "Talk is cheap..."
Paaleeease, this is just moar pretense to make it look like the politicos give a damn about what the American people think. This will die a quiet death in some committee.
doc you're probably right about it dying in committee. I'll hope for it to make a floor debate and watch the shit show on CSPAN
Patriot Act to expire in 2 months? You can bet we are going to see some false flags to justify renewing it. I wasn't born yesterday.
See Operation Jade Helm, a drill (uh-oh) the military is conducting in the SW US from July 15 - September 15. It will simulate a "foreign invasion" (yeah right) and the states of TX and UT will be listed as "hostile". Tyler, please do a thread about this as many feel this could lead to martial law and the roundup of dissidents.
its a straw man--all of 1700 personel at all levels involved over a multi state area--grow up-- and look under the bed so you can stop beleiving there is a boggy man out to get you---
Gosh, you're right! How silly of us to question how much love USGOV has for us conservative, Constitution-loving white males! The topic of this thread, the Patriot Act, proves how much they CARE about us. Then there's the NDAA. Why, they can toss yer sorry ass behind bars for any reason they can conjure for as long as they want. Because they CARE! They stage ridiculous hoaxes such as Sandy Hook to grab your guns so that you don't shoot your toe off. Because they CARE! Guess we'll have to wait and see who needs to grow up.
Infraguard isn't real either.
What the....??
Oh no! valid exercise. Invade a country where 2 million guns are sold a month.
Yea, you can land and blow up a bunch of shit but do you really have the resources to go town to town, street to street vs. all those guns?
You would need some "domestic" help with that.
Big Drudge headline today on the drill exposed.
Texas, Utah, and S Cali considered hostile.
Be aware of your surrondings.
Wait until the master of hope and change hears about this one.
So you're telling me there's a chance.
No, not one that comes from Washington anyway.
+1 for Dumb and Dumber quote.
(golf clap) Well played.
And now for the Good News!
There is No Fucking Good News nor will there be any!
They fucked up when they spied on the dual citizen Feinstein.
There is one very good reason why the Deep State won't ever, ever let this happen:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
to the extent that...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/snowden-document-implies-nsa-may-putting-israels-security-ahead-americas.html
Now watch the New Bolsheviks pitch a hissy fit.
Any plebe in favor of this is on the watch list as an intolerant, racist, anti-american, hate-mongerer.
pleb
"Now watch the New Bolsheviks pitch a hissy fit."
Yep. This will be one of those rare litmus test bills/votes wherein the establishment one-party corporatocracy is completely exposed, as the worst of the Left/Dems & Right/Repubs will all line-up together to kill this bill.
Partisan politics? Only on the (social) issues that don't matter to the MIC/banks. But 'real' issues like this one (and TTP, NAFTA, TARP, war resolutions...) are what truly define the one-party farce that our Federal "representiative" government has become.
This is also an issue that will separate the fake Tea Party reps. from the Liberty Movt. reps. Get out your scorecards and take notes on this one...
All of the so-called congressional leaders, from both parties, are complete and total shitheads out to enrich themselves. Pathetic.
A vain attempt at CPR fellows.
What idiot in Congress is leading the charge?
Some fool from Mississippi or Idaho?
Controlled opposition is good for the cameras.
Gives the sheep the impression of freedom and democracy.
LOLOLOL..................
No idiots--those congress critters fought hard fights against the entrenched encumbants backed by big everything to bring reform to the house--They oppose the leadership at every turn if it goes against the principles they ran on----check them out and stop being a shill for TPTB
You ought to be given an award for missing the point so perfectly (and consistently).
You got it! Too many here spout the same old stuff and do not REALLY look into things. LOOK into who tried to get boehner removed. LOOK into who has tried multiple times to rein in the surveillence state. Funny, the same names usually pop up. Too bad more people won't get off their ass and actually support them.
Very true. And many people here have also looked into the heart of how we got here and understand that crashing and burning is the only logical outcome. The point of no return occurred awhile ago.
There are good guys out there. For sure. However, understand that the rise of the "good guys" is all part of the process too. Part of the "herd" changing direction. Which consequently is the end of the status quo and moment in time the collapse of what we know begins to accelerate.
The only reason this is being discussed is US tech and other legitimate business is being absolutely obliterated by the state. It's about money - always has been. Spying is big business in the hands of few at the expense of everyone else. The same as private prison, private security, private utilities, private education and the list goes on.
Since when does crony Sam care about liberty, the Consitution or any other exercise formerly known as a civil right. FISA Court in the executive branch is this joke hidden in plain sight.
Believe it only when it passes. Domestic spying is Wall Street arbitrage vs. the Constitution.
I really doubt that. If big business truly felt threatened, the surveilance would have stopped long ago. Rather I'd bet they love it, being privy to the info on what all their upstarting small business competition is up to.
Let me tune in to Sean Hannity today and get his opinion...
'Yer a Great 'Murikan...!!!'
You sound like a Savage drone.
He'll tell you what the real truth is.
Because you're too dumb to figure it out yourself?
I listen because they are the voice of the enemy.
It's good intel to know your enemy.
Savage, AJ, Beck, all malignant gatekeepers. All distracting from the truth of who has taken over America and the world.
The MSM wont touch any stories they touch.
Even if the stories are LEGIT!
As a consequence, the story dies!
See how the psyop works?
Know bow you fix that? Community organize the media, bum rush them when reporting and call them out while their reporting. Make them cowar from the truth and let the public see them do it.
Once people see it with their own eyes they won't be able to go back listening to the bullshit.
It's like escaping the matrix and being Neo in the chair having to deal with the truth, which can be unpleasant for people during certain times of stress.
Savage is an opportunist, a self-serving phoney, and part of the Controlled Opposition.
Look into his background. I don't think much of him.
agreed. I liked some of what he had to say, but he's an Israel Firster and racist, loyal to America only insofar as American is run by Israel Firsters.
He says nothing about the foreign aid going to Israel.
I think he would like to, but the backlash would upset his Jewish friends in Florida and NY.
Savage, Levin, Larson, Beck, et al. Call them what you want, but do not underestimate the demographics/activism that they represent. 'Talk radio' conservatism is flourishing & growing, and these guys + their listeners will not be voting Republican in future national/federal elections... this is a 3rd Party rising. The Beltway GOP is in complete denial. The conservative base has been betrayed and the payback is coming.
Again, you can deride/belittle these talk radio hosts 'til the cows come home, but you won't stop the tidal wave of retribution that is coming for the establishment (esp. the GOP). This is not about agreeing or disagreeing with Savage/Beck/Levin... it's about recognizing the fact that the political/electoral train of change has already left the station. The two-party status quo is finished, and the change that is coming now will be messy and unpredictable.
The GOP could have avoided all of this by slowly embracing their small govt/libertarian wing, and reigning-in their Wall St./MIC campaign financiers... but they refused and have pushed the grassroots out of the party. Such a short-sighted, idiotic move by the GOP "leadership". And now they will pay the price for their ignorance and stubborness.
...and for you lesser-of-two-evils GOP diehards... if you think a 'moderate/establishment' candidate like Jeb or Rubio or Romney will/can win a presidential election, you are kidding yourself. The base will not support a moderate/espablishment candidate, period. Those days are OVER. Coulter can rant & rave all she wants about 'holding your nose' and lesser-of-two-evils, etc. She's wrong. She's wrong because too many voters have shed the two party mindset. The conservative base will increasingly vote their conscience, and if their conscience cannot tolerate the meager (two) choices offered, then they won't vote at all.
Yes, this means Dems/progressives will win pres./national elections - an unfortunate fact, but one that will only strenthen the conserv. grassroots over time. So the establishment/moderate leadership of the GOP is playing a losing game... they lose in the short-term & the long-term. People like Coulter are so heavily invested in the dying two-party paradigm that they can't see the forest for the trees... and they will learn the hard way. The youth & country are moving in a libertarian/small govt. direction - internet rules/ethics/technology - a blind man can see it...
The corrupt state will die a slow death just like the USSR. Remember Gorbachev and Glasnost? This story reminds me of that pathetic joke. Too little, too late, even if if were true. Read about the the sponsor, a brownshirt, imo;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pocan#Personal_life
you forget that the moment they actually lose political control, cometh the dollar's fall, all of a sudden fundamentals will matter magically
Straight up chain yank.
Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic at this point
Pretty amazing then considering since it's being done at 12,500 feet deep.
oh sweet analogy
+1 And a new band starting to tune their instruments, I might add.
Maybe a few politicians are starting to figure out that when this whole thing goes over the edge that their survival rate is pretty slim unless they can convince the populas that they are on the same side. Remember!! It is our sons and daughters that protect these scumbag politicians. Lets see what happens...........
Here's how you do it: "The Patriot Act is hereby repealed". Vote, approve and sign without amendments. Anything else should be regarded with great suspicion.
More theater for the goy, nothing more if he really believes a homo is coming to restore his liberties. What a fuckin' joke the US is.
I think the bill is quite an optimistic ("Remember laughter",Robert Plant, Led Zeppelin); at least someone out there is trying, fighting for the righ thing, let's give them support!@!!
We are supposed to be a democracy, but are ruled by institutions / people that operate entirely in secrecy & are not elected but appointed by political cronies & never audited (because if we knew ----). This offends me, how about you? Feeling good about Washington?
The Patriot Act needs to move over to allow the establishment of the Department of Defense from PreCrime, Thought Crime, and Anti-Government Sentiment.
Now that is very scary.
Don't give them any more evil ideas than they already have, thanks to Macchiaveli, Bernays and Orwell.
True, the term "patriot" is so passe
The Patriot Act ( Patriot ya right!!! ) is unconstitutional so it should be abolished.
85% of the Federal Governmewnt is unconstitutional. So, yeah...good luck with that.
If this move gains any serious traction, which it won't (see vote to arm Ukraine this week), there will be a "homeland" terror attack or some such event to kill the move. Of course, I support their efforts and will urge my local loser to support it as well.
In Newspeak "Surveillance State Repeal Act" means "Kill All The Patriots Act". If ye aren't wif us, yer agin us...
Expect something worse to take its place.
I only see one way this spying gets addressed. The control of the information is lost. If the keys got out. Other than that its just smoke.
As has been rightly pointed out, this is some grand standing bs.
Bottom line is even if they were to get the bill passed and it abolished NSA spying, it would'nt be worth the digits on which it is composed. The lawless bastards in DC have demostrated they will do what they want to do regardless of any piece of paper. The infrastructure is built, the capability is now with us forever, and the surveillance will never stop.....ever.
The real issue here has to do with the stage of despotism in which we are find ourselve. It is not that they are spying on us.....IT IS 1.) that they are doing it, 2.) have TOLD us they are doing it, 3.) don't care that we know, and 4.) lastly it is clear that we either won't or can't do anything about it.
We have been called out and are frozen in place like a deer in the headlights. Our government is our master and we the people are its powerless slaves and nothing more. If we will tolerate this, the next steps will be that much easier to tolerate.
Solution? A quote comes to mind about nuking from orbit....only way to be sure.
Never in the history of the world has freedom ever been won or maintained without the blood of patriots. It will be no different moving forward. Paper cuts don't count.
.....pull my finger.
Really.
Imagine if they keys got out in the wild? That would change the world so fast like turning on the lights.
Nobody has as much to hide as the spooks do.
One can only hope this happens. But I am sure the money corporation make from the patriot act will come poring into the lawmakers who take the other side of this bill.
I venture that the bill only exist to get them to poor money into the other side.
queue false flag to beat us back in to submission in 3, 2, 1, .......
I think your comment is false flag operation to make me forget the article I just read.
Can anyone imagine Lindsey 'toe-tap-twice-for-love' Graham voting for this one?!?
There is ZERO constitutional basis for the executive branch through all of its "agencies" to keep anything secret from the sheeple. But the people put up with it so they keep doing it. lol
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/the-supreme-court-just-made-up-the-co...
the patriot act is not the problem
our federal government acting without limits is the problem
These assholes think that their "laws" trump the Constitution. Fuck them. We all know that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional but the fascists just laugh.
law enforcement has been using the same guidelines to catch crooks before impending "bad" happens for decades...you still have to make your case before a judge.
the myriad of personal information exploitation programs goes far beyond anything authorized by the patriot act.
Nobody ever talks much about the influence of Big Labor activists in U.S. government employment. Do DHS employees belong to a labor union? In 1962 JFK's Exec Order #10988 gave Federal civil servants collective bargaining rights.That has not changed and it makes me wonder how much influence Big Labor had in getting the Patriot Act enacted. LBJ's Great Society legislation certainly was a boon for Big Labor membership. FEDGOV work is union work.
While I agree that it would surprise me if this passed, we should still write/call our represetatives demanding they support this.
I thought NSA was for like space or whatever?
I sure hope that the bill is printed on toilet paper, as that would give it some value. Well, just for one use.
The banksters need to repay us.
The NSA and the rest of the criminals should figure out who wrote this sedition:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Expect a major false-flag if this ever passes and is signed into law. The only way we rid ourselves of the Vile Vermin is...
Truly a Classic.......
If true then Good for them.
However, as history has shown, I'll believe it when I see it. Like the dead body of Bin Laden.