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Putin Says Attempts To Tip Nuclear Balance Don't Scare Russia, Moscow Will Uncover "Schemes"
Russia is once again ratcheting up the rhetoric, this time to a fever pitch. Just a day after Putin’s Security Council posted a remarkably accurate and amusingly concise assessment of US foreign policy aims on its website, a spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry as well as President Putin himself are out with strong condemnations of both the NATO presence in Eastern Europe as well as US plans to arm Kiev.
The comments come on the heels of a House vote which showed overwhelming support for the provision of lethal aid to Kiev and just a day after the first batch of American humvees received a warm welcome from President Petro Poroshenko. As a reminder, here’s what both sides had to say about Congress’s willingness to maybe start an all out proxy war in the Baltics:
The prepackaged spin is already ready: "sending weapons to the Kiev government would not mean involvement in a new war for America", claimed the abovementioned Eliot Engel who sponsored the document. “The people of Ukraine are not looking for American troops," Engel said. "They are just looking for the weapons.”
So the only question is how Russia will responds to this escalation: according to RT, "Washington's decision to supply Ukraine with ammunition and weapons would “explode the whole situation” in eastern Ukraine and Russia would be forced to respond “appropriately,” Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said at the end of February.
While it’s not immediately clear what constitutes an “appropriate” response, and while the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Alexander Lukashevich contends that an outright military confrontation between the West and Russia “isn’t something anyone wants,” that’s where the ambiguity and niceties end. Here’s more via Bloomberg:
NATO drills in Europe are buildup of U.S. forces.
Russia says NATO members on Russian border planning to deploy planes capable of carrying nuclear weapons.
Airforce drills in Estonia are buildup of U.S. presence; U.S. jets may reach St Petersburg from Estonia w/in mins.
U.S. is heavily deploying weaponry in eastern Europe.
U.S. arms supplies to Ukraine are threat to Russia, won’t scare Russia.
The Estonia reference refers to the “bilateral training” being conducted by the Estonian air force and 14 F-16s from the US. As The Aviationist notes, “the purpose of the deployment is to enhance interoperability with a NATO ally and with other regional air arms however, the deployment is above all, another step in the U.S. Air Force’s ‘Forward-Ready-Now!’ posture in the European theater where the Pentagon has already strengthened its presence.”
In case the Foreign Ministry’s words weren’t clear enough, Putin himself had a few choice words for the US and its allies:
- PUTIN SAYS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SCARE RUSSIA: INTERFAX
- PUTIN SEES ATTEMPTS TO BREAK NUCLEAR PARITY: INTERFAX
But even as Putin assures the West that the Kremlin fears no man and even though Moscow thinks that perhaps the US may be trying to undermine the global nuclear balance by making mutually assured destruction not so mutual, the Russian President is willing to talk about these things:
- PUTIN TELLS FSB WE'RE READY FOR DIALOGUE W/ OPPOSITION: IFX
Meanwhile, the Kremlin seems to believe that certain intricate plots are in the offing designed not only to destabilize Russia’s highly democratic political processes, but to undermine its thriving financial markets as well. Here’s more via Bloomberg:
Western intelligence services are planning operations to discredit, destabilize Russia, including for elections in 2016-18, Interfax reports, citing President Vladimir Putin comments to Federal Security Service meeting.
Putin tells FSB to uncover schemes on securities, currency markets.
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So to summarize, Moscow will not be intimidated by NATO because it’s impossible to scare a Russian, Vladimir Putin is open to talking with the opposition but he does not appreciate the implicit attempt to tip the nuclear power balance, nor does the Kremlin approve of the US scrambling F-16s to the Baltics, and “schemes” of any kind will be ferreted out by the FSB.
But other than that, tensions seem to be abating.
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Putin understands that the disgusting western banksters who control the Mulatto Messiah and the Congress Sheep , are under orders to destroy Russia and asset strip everything.
The Fed Reserve Note system ponzi must go on!
Unfortunately, the Russians understand that when the USSA speaks of human rights and democracy, this is code for we want your assets for free and without work, and we are willing to kill all russians (or anyone else) to steal them.
The Great Game continues.
Putin also understands that strategic press releases can move markets. His oligarch gangster bedfellows can make fortunes from Western markets with a bit of advanced knowledge.
to undermine its thriving financial markets as well
LOL
Yea, Only the ussa has thriving financial markets,,, just ask the wall street banksters and their butt buddies in DC.
They really can't wait until they force me to stand on a beach and say "You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
They're not "butt-buddies" (equals) to Wall St.
They're their Fluffers.
[from Western markets with a bit of advanced knowledge.]
Your now calling this wall street casino a market!
This is not "the Great Game"
This is the "Greatest Game"...this is the "Devil's Game" and it's the spookiest thing on my radar.
Were I president of Russia, after all Western armament gifts and materiels had been delivered in country to Ukraine, I would deploy the entire ballistic sub fleet, ready all nuclear missile systems, then proceed to remove ALL threats from Ukraine, 1 humve, Bradley or anti-aircraft system at a time, while waiting for the approach of even ONE bomber, sub, or ICBM.
What I would NOT allow is the creep creep creep of the western wolf pack up to the Russian doorstep.
Whoever is fomenting this war with Russia is INSANE. Considering the outcomes of amerika's 21st century misadventures thus far It appears to me that someone WANTS nukes launched at the United States/Europe.
Everyone hates Stalin for good reason. Thing is, none of this BS in Kiev would have been possable under Stalin's watch.
I wouldn't want to live in Stalin's Russia, but the world was less likly to burn under such a man. Putin is more of a nerd that the bullies enjoy messing with.
No one played games with Stalin for even better reasons.
I dont like what that says about power or people.
you don't have to be a sociopath to be a strong, effective leader....you just have to be perceptive and ready to ACT in the name of national survival
Are you sure? Seems evidence to the contray. Do you dispute the fact that Russa was not envaded nor threatened with invasion while Stalin was in power?
i seem to recall another socipoath named hitler or hilter (something like that...) who both "messed with" AND invaded Stalin's ussr
Hilter didnt have nukes. You saw what happend when the methhead attacked.
Is this kindergarden. Your debate foo is as weak as my spelling foo.
fuck off, troll
US Foreign Policy has been insane since Nixon. They called it the "Madman Theory": act crazy and hope it scares the other guy off. Will that work with Vlad? Your guess is as good as mine.
I have found through hard roads that bullies want to be punched in the mouth and knocked on there ass. If they didnt want it so they wouldnt have been bullies.
The thing is nukes hit to kill, and you dont get up to be best friends. Seems either human nature has to change or Vlad needs to hand over his lunch money.
Human beings Are insane
The madmen who would build such weapons
The psychopaths who would order their use
The fools who would obey such orders since they think it comes from those in 'authority' and its for their 'country'
All the idiot family members who helped brainwash the above when they were young, and now sit on their asses because "Oh, what can I do about it?"
All these kinds of people acting Insanely are necessary
to Blow Up the World
really good view. we're close to about 300 million 'muricans instantly dirtyin' their pants.
If the Russians release videos of the neo-cons in bed with little boys, then you'll know this shit is Really getting serious.
@HardAssets This is the main reason I believe we (the globe) are not very close to military confrontation of a large scale. The russians would have revealed many dirty secrets of all the actors involved in order to remove them from their power. We have witnessed this action with the release of V.Nuland just before major Ukraine operations.
yup
I hope everyone is ready to make that bug-out plan active. These things can go on only for a certain time and they'll be in our face.
Oh another bug out idiot
Fucking hilarious.
Hmmm . . . where do you bug out during thermonuclear WW3 ?
Maybe I should make my move on that really cute waitress in the cafe a little sooner than I had planned.
Human rights? Like the US backing SA. Not that Yemen is any better but US backing human rights, my ass.
+100 This is the game plan.
That was also the game plan 20 years ago. If the Banksters were in any way competent, the smoking ruins of the USSR would have been Borged into the Western collective and they would now be making moves to finish off China.
That is why I have a problem with some on this site who think that the wannabe NWO are omnipotent masterminds.
Banksters don't think in the sort of timeframes to affect true NWO sort of shit (whores to immediate gratification). Organized religions do however. Not trying to lead the conversation anywhere... just adding my 2 cents.
Luciferians
Lucy Farrions...not 'JEWS'!... It's important!
"That is why I have a problem with some on this site who think that the wannabe NWO are omnipotent masterminds."
They have A LOT of money with which to buy hearts and souls... and it does.
The US is only a tool used by the Luciferian Globalists to achieve their goal of world empire.
The Banksters want WWIII. The US and Russia/China will beat the snot out of each other, while the Banksters hide in their bunkers.
Then when there's nothing left but ashes, they will emerge to "save" the world with their one world dictatorship.
"From chaos, order" is their technique, and if they succeed in their plan they will be omnipotent.
see that?... It's all the Lucy Farrion Society! [The World according to GARP]...
Hey SMG... Did you ever stop to consider that the MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY of having had a string of successive FED CHAIRS, OK ~ WTF ~ Let's call them the 'Lucy Farrion Society', [since the abandonment of 'Bretton Woods' in 1971 ~ & whereby money printing began in earnest], is LESS THAN the mathematical probability of an airplane striking your house TWICE]?...
If the bankers think a bunker will save them, they are crazier then i thought. You would think bankers have more to lose then anyone else so are least likly to burn a world.
@813kml - I'm coming around more to your way of thinking on this. If you really dig into things, particularly that associated with the government and military you see how incompetent they are. - There's a great deal of a fake con game going on. Even if the psycho power freaks are geniuses, and I highly doubt that, they rely on the dumb masses to carry it all out. There is a great deal of effort made to try to scare people. Why do that if you're 'all powerful" ?
As we used to say in the service, for example -
The Navy was designed by geniuses, to be run by idiots.
Multiply and apply that to everything they think they can 'control'.
Perhaps Russia and China are already part of the NWO and all this theatre is merely jockeying for final seats at the new board room table.
A bit like US politics, one team, same company just rotations of the board of Directors.
@ Bingo Hammer - you may be right, and I'm sure many of us have wondered about that.
But I haven't come up with real evidence that disputes a real rivalry between the Anglo/American mafia and the other mafias that you mentioned. There are also aspects of psychopath psychology that leads me to think that they wouldn't trust each other over the long term.
The US House Resolution to send lethal arms to Ukraine also calls for a long-term strategy for the overthrow of Vladimir Putin
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/25/4939
Not a single Member of Congress took the Floor to oppose this dangerous Resolution.
Passage of this Resolution should make it clear that the political leadership of the US will accept nothing short of war with Russia.
Update: The Resolution passed in the House, 348-48.
References:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/23/congress-demands-war-in-ukraine/
Sadly so. Nothing less they can accept and mutually assured destruction they shall have.
It didn't have to be this way.
I'm glad I'm old.
Part of getting older, for me, has been trying to put myself in another person's shoes when forming an opinion. In other words, how would I react to XYZ if I were in someone else's position?
In light of that, I can't help but think the US would freak the fuck out if Russia were doing even 1/10th the amount of meddlesome shit in this hemisphere that we're doing right on their doorstep. I actually can't believe how patient the rest of the world is with our behavior, and we should all be worried that such extraordinary patience will inevitably run out at some point.
One of the things that always amazed me is how much the U.S actually gets away with and the world does nothing. It make me believe that if the dysfunctional fucks in Washington can get away with this crap then the rest of the world "leaders" must be some real grade 'A' retards.
They are bought and paid for. The US has been rearranging the world for decades. Abe in Japan, Park in S Korea, Ma in Taiwan, Aquino in The Philippines are among those in Asia who personally benefit from aligning with the US is not directly put in office by US meddling.
the almighty dolla! so a coup of merica MUST be the detroning of the dolla. simple, well sorta...
they are working on their alternatives. then the rug comes out by mericas own devices; tic tock mutha fucks...
One of the drawbacks to family is that you know them, so you dont lend money you need to be payed back. Same with most of the "leaders" of the world. They for the most part are ("family" to the king makers). So who in your family will you trust your fortune and status to?
Same for most leaders. Those they can pull strings on. Not the brightest for the most part but not stupid enough to make to much trouble for their "family". Its not vary hard to see, if you look at it from your own window.
US$ says "whose your daddy?"
No other viable alternative (yet).
"Say hello to my little friend" <points at US military>
Just curious do you get paid to post in Rubles? I was just offered some hundreds in Monopoly money that I can trade with you for some vodka. You know the stuff that insures Russia has a 500,000 person deficit in the birth/death equation yearly. Or perhaps a tour of the newly refurbished "Gulag" hotels for any journalist you haven't shot dead yet. Say when are you going to bring electricity food and medicine to your new Crimean province you can borrow that money from Putin who has stashed billions in Europe that he stole from the average Russian citizen. Just ask him I'm sure he'll give you a "Tartar Pie".
Putin has stashed billions in europe . are you talking about those 60 billion ? Well there is no proof for such amount or assets he even have . It's nothing but a spinoff by media to discredit him by coming up with random figures . why 60 billion ? why not 1 trillion ? Typical BS .
VV Putin was never about money
bored
Funny how some involved in the arts of prophecy, Shipton, Casey, etc. All spoke of Russia being a beacon of light and democracy... it would seem the US has become what it spoke so ill about for decades. Russia looks at us like we are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. ...just look around and it has become quite obvious the USA is in its last death throw. We be fucked.
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Funny how some involved in the arts of prophecy, Shipton, Casey, etc. All spoke of Russia being a beacon of light and democracy...
Is that supposed to be the start of the list of the bad forecasts?
Tell us, What did Nostradamus have to say?
[Russia looks at us like we are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.]
We are...
Latina Lover = Paid Puutie Puppy
Nutty Nuukie Puutie has been quacking about using nuclear weapons for months. Even had his nutty Generals squawking threats at european countries. Now the botox brain damage is really showing up with this latest theory.
What Puutie understands is that a totalitarian ruler has all human rights under his full control. Everyone else may be allowed to die in prison, if not simply assassinated.
I'm curious, are these silly Putin names part of the script you are given or are you 6th-grader? For whatever benefit you think they might offer, they actually merely identify you as both simple-minded and most likely a paid propagandist (but I repeat myself - Thx Sam Clemens).
The constant use of this tactic is only barely less hilarious than your idiot partner who calls everyone Bob. One would think that insulting everyone and blatantly letting everyone know what you are up to would be contrary to an effective propaganda scheme. However, such a blunder is understandable coming from someone working for an arm of the US government.
Curios,
Did Puutie instruct you to write that because he does not like a nickname?
This website is full of the Puutie trolls who practice regularly at being the most insulting crap slingers possible.
Simple minded are the weasels who regularly post that they will take great joy from some economic collapse or the use of nuclear weapons. Which of those actions would you most celebrate?
That's the best response you can come up with? What, is your supervisor out practicing foreign policy with a Colombian hooker?
BTW, Who is Curios? Is it Bob's cousin?
The US knows it can't win on Principle, so it seeks to win on Procedure.
BTW, this is also what every Trial Lawyer tries to do, when he/she has a weak case. And if it's one thing the US.gov has plenty of, is lawyers / Pharisees.
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Obama will have much more flexibility [in his @ss] AFTER the election ~ LOL
Im sick of russia and the middle east. this is why the kardashians exist, to compete with this shit
no slutty bimbo can compete with nuclear weapons, because they are awesome!!!
slutty bimbos or nuclear weapons?
Nuclear bimbos for me.
With big warheads.
Torpedo shaped.
Polish my torpedo, neocon bitchez!
cherrytop mountains
slutty bombos and nuclear bimbos
I watched that Slutty Whore show with the women with giant asses! And this white guy who is old and wrinkled up and trying to look like a woman. Mother Fucker! If this is America 2015, we better head for the escape pods and launch into space and take our chances.
Crimea is nice this time of year.
Crimea is super.
abating indeed
That's cute. NATO thinks it can intimidate an ex-kgb agent lol. Vladimir Putin has a grizzly bear carpet in his house - the bear isn't dead, it's just afraid to move.
Now thats some funny shit right there! Good one.
When Putin does push-ups he doesn't go up, he pushes the world down.
The grizzly bear saying is for Chuck Norris, pray he doesn't read your nonsense.
+1
that made me laugh...
thanx
I usually dont use the term "lol"...but friggin "lol" :-)
Nuukie Puutie don't fool with no bears.
He is more interested in putting Pussy Riot in jail.
putin needs to put a red and white checkered tablecloth on his head, then he can invade any country he wants and no one will say anything about it
Putin tells FSB to uncover schemes on securities, currency markets.
How about the oil markets?
Mystery Behind Dropping Oil Prices Solved: Concerted Market Manipulationthe US and its large collection of client states around the world, are undermining Syria, waging economic war against Russia, destabilizing China at home while chasing their investors out of any nation they’re found in, not based on some moral imperative, but specifically because of the absolute, utter lack of morality. Understanding this cuts through the various invented stories constantly emanating from the Western media, including myths about miraculously dropping oil prices and their “serendipitous” and “coincidental” impact they just so happen to have on all of America’s perceived enemies.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mystery-behind-dropping-oil-prices-solved-c...
Did the U.S. and the Saudis Conspire to Push Down Oil Prices?http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-the-u-s-and-the-saudis-conspire-to-push...
just price oil in ounces and quit pussy-footin' around.
Who started a war near Saudi Arabia? Can it interrupt the flow of oil tankers?
Maybe Putin should try putting some planes in Cuba or in Mexico. I'm sure Americans won't mind a hostile power with nuclear capabilies right next door to them. We certainly don't expect the Russians to mind if we have those same sort of resources right next to them.
Perhaps the lack of pushback on borders and sudden relaxing of tensions with Cuba has something to do with all of this.
well, Putin alredy has most of the South America:-) There will be a lot of Russian bases. But you think he should get even closer? Perhaps he should. And perhaps he already is very close. 1) Some US soldier wrote a commentary somewhere that Russian troops already are in Cuba, only the US government does not want to admit it. He wrote that both Russian and US soldiers are now in/near Cuba and keep waving at each other. 2) Russian nuclear submarines are regularly patrolling near the US coast. 3) Russian nuclear bombers are also regularly patrolling near the USA. There you have it.
Putin shouldn't worry too much, the US couldn't mail a Christmas card to Canada without it ending up in a dessert in the middle east in the hands of ISIS.
Russians are psychologically prepared for another world war. Americans aren't physically prepared to walk 300 feet to the donut shop.
If the shit hits the fan we are so f'ed up its not even funny. Just think about what world trade disruptions would mean to a country that imports all the shit that keeps the masses pacified. All that garbage that is sold to the people because they are so materialistic and need the next new shinny piece of shit to keep them occupied for 10 mins. Now lets see what happens when rail lines get disrupted and food deliveries are delayed. No amount of EBT money will change the self being empty. The free shit army will freak out and the non-free shiters will grab their guns to protect what they have stashed just in-case of this scenario. No wonder why the military is preparing for domestic unrest they knew this shit was coming they knew because they planned it. Fucking sad day. What you think we just launch a ICBM for the fuck of it as a show of force? When is the last time we did that? This is getting serous and the media isn't doing their job to warn people. Well fuck that, after I get out of work I am heading to food wholesaler and picking up some sacks of dried beans, rice and what ever else won't go bad in a storage tote because I give a shit about my family. Maybe some giant cans of soup for a treat. I never thought growing up after the collapse of the soviet union that I would even be writing this type of shit. But when you are young you don't see these things, you don't see how some people in power are absolute pychos with no regard for life and totally driven by greed and power. The slightest disruption in this country brings it to a stand still could you imagine bombs being dropped by enemy air craft or missiles? We would be totally fucked the people would surrender what little freedom they have in a second for a empty promise of security or "victory". Fucked totally fucked. Russia is not a 3rd rate military and anyone that reads stuff outside of the US would know that they have top, I repeat top notch electronic warfare capabilities they tested them on one of our boats not that long ago in the black sea it was reported on very briefly that their bomber shut down the ships electronics and buzzed it 12 times before it flew away basically saying we can hit you and you can't do shit about it. That was one of our high tech AGIES cruisers. So lets hope the military or what is left of them after all the purging of the top brass still have some common sense and don't allow WW3 to erupt.
On the serious side. These threats coming from Putin and Russia do have a purpose. Russia is feeling cornered, and they honestly expect the USA to come at them with everything they have.
Proxy wars
funding terrorism in Russian Muslim areas
Market manipulation to collapse Russian stocks and bonds
corporate spying to learn how best to destroy Russian trade and export.
A full on energy war, designed to take all of the EU off of Russian gas, and replace it with American LNG, at twice the price, but cutting Russia off from gas export
A huge cash infusion to American NGO's inside Russia, to fund political agents who will work to destroy elections in Russia, to discredit their political system, and to bribe officials to come over to the American side.
Even darker CIA operations to infiltrate and even sabatoge Russian defense industry and commercial project.
Make no mistake, this is war. Russia has reponded like this as a warning, "if you do not leave us alone, we will be prepared to go all the way to hell with you. Either back off, or we play dirty as possible.
Imagine Russia, arming, funding and training every anti American political and religious grouping in the world. Like back in USSR days, when Soviets armed anti Americans in SOuth Vietnam. And other places. It would be ugly, and costly.
But the Zionists would love it, they win n matter which side goes down!
Chechen parliament speaker's riposte to US Congress' weapons-to-Kiev resolution: weapons to Mexico!
We cannot be happy about the US
leadership taking on all sorts of secret activities aimed at
destabilizing the internal affairs of states neighboring Russia, and at
pushing NATO eastwards. All actions of Europe and the US at the borders of Russia are unacceptable, and the rapid expansion to the east (NATO enlargement), in fact, constitutes plain aggression.
The USSR, which NATO was formed to combat, died in August 1991. So what is NATO’s purpose? Why is it still around? In history there have been many
precedents, where the American supply of weapons in certain trouble
spots was no help in conflict resolution, but on the contrary, led to a
great increase in casualties and to the proliferation of illegal
gatherings of bandits and terrorist groups, and led to the actual expansion of conflict.
But your words are at variance with your actions; Bradley
Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and several others have
suffered for believing in a false American freedom of speech.
From this it follows that the US has no
business advising Russia how to conduct itself with neighboring and
friendly people. The supply of weapons to Ukraine will be viewed by us
as a signal to act accordingly. We will begin delivery of new weapons
to Mexico to resume debate on the legal status of territories annexed
by the US, namely the American states of California, New Mexico,
Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and portions of Wyoming.
We reserve the right to hold
conferences in Russia, Mexico, and America with agendas about the
liberation of these states from the US, and the supply of weapons to the
partisans there.
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/03/chechen-parliament-speakers-riposte-...
We reserve the right to hold conferences in Russia, Mexico, and America with agendas about the
liberation of these states from the US, and the supply of weapons to the partisans there.
Russians already did that. Obummer is Russian trained and adopted by the Weather Underground. FEMA camps meet all gulag design standards.
JB, that will happen and more but no violations (other than covert proxy's) of the russian border will occur.
Russia/Soviets did this to themselves. Packed up and went home from Cuba and never tried a direct confrontation again. After Vietnam they backed out and backed up everytime (it seems) their proxy engaged in direct conflict or when the west bombed their proxy.
If Russia had grown a pair and taken a stand at Cuba. Or at least more recently in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc - then Russia would not be so cornered and would have influence in the ME. Russia allowed Uke to fall. Maybe just to get Crimea.
Or maybe the Russia elite (with a high number of very rich jews) is more a part of this than we realize. Maybe the Russian elite have a place at the table and the rest is for show and minor intragroup positioning.
Russia/Soviets did this to themselves.
You mean to say they didn't act psychopathic enough?
You know nothing about this subject.
A huge cash infusion to American NGO's inside Russia, to fund political agents who will work to destroy elections in Russia, to discredit their political system, and to bribe officials to come over to the American side.
Destroy elections in Russia? Hell, that was Puutie's first move. Put the opposition news media out of business, shift control of broadcast news to favored oligarchs, kill investigative journalists. You left off the /sarc tag.
Imagine Russia, arming, funding and training every anti American political and religious grouping in the world. Like back in USSR days, when Soviets armed anti Americans in SOuth Vietnam. And other places. It would be ugly, and costly.
You need to pay attention. Puutie is doing that. Just look at what he must be spending for all of the Paid Puppies on ZH that immediately respond to the dog whistle.
useless talkings
Indeed! A joker actually. "Dog Whistle"?
If things were to go 'nukular', the first 5* places would/should be in the ME.
If that would not force the coming/return of the Guy in the Sky, nothing would. Either way, eternal peace would ensue on the planet.
It's win-win-win any way you flash it.
* Tel Aviv, J'lem, Mecca, Medina, Riyadh.
While China sits by and waits for the destruction of the U.S. and Russia.. ???? I dunno just playing the game. I pick curtain number three. 50 for the win alex...etc
Nuclear wind dont care who"wins" or whose "side" you were on
Ukraine’s Oligarchs Turn on each other
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/24/ukraines-oligarchs-turn-on-each-ot...
The empire of the 4th reich is now in control of America. A silent kill of eugenics runs through society in GMO, fracking water away from life, and gluten toxicity. The play is far worse than anything in history and yet no resistance. The same kind of lucid imobile culture that allowed 6 million Jews to walk into death camps. Well there isnt anyone to scapegoat this time around so all that's left is turning humanity into the victim blaming over population. When we all can design efficiency permaculture green energy to live in prosperity and end the rat race tomorrow.
The revolution is coming together to build an Eco village. Sounds trite and simple but its true.
Death camps? Get serious, then do some reading about the great Holohoax at sites like Incogman.net
That is not even possible without a drastic reduction in standard of living and a much lower population level. Do you get to be the one who chooses the winners and losers? Keep dreaming of your Eco village if you want, the reality of life is much more grim so I would hate to wake you up.
lucid imobile culture?
empire 4th reich?
are you cheap bot or just dumb talkings?
better learn history in real
From the Russian Insider:
NATO Is Marching Towards Russia, and They Have No Idea What Awaits Them
“America is fully aware that the way to draw Russia into a conflict is to push forward towards Russia's borders. In time, Russia will be forced to defend its right to exist, and when this happens, western powers will not know what hit them.”
***
"The problems with modern, and in truth historical, Western politicos is that these guys are absolute fools with no understanding of the Russian psyche and are sure to be the cause of WW3, be it intentional or accidental. They are projecting their psyche onto Russians.
What this means is that they are projecting a typical negative reinforcement mentality. Europe and the US are societies built on constant aggression towards neighbors. Aggression like that is staved by building up a credible large counter force of allies and blocks, which causes fear of defeat and deescalation...your typical European balance of forces approach.
Russia is a defensive empire, that is, most wars or series of wars were not started by Russians but by enemies attacking or massing on Russia's borders. After 800 years of almost non-stop aggression by Europeans, Russia does not tolerate any enemy massing on her borders in what appears as a preparation for invasion or the creation of large scales basing areas as would be a US neo-con dominated Ukraine.This is also coupled with the Russian approach of not abandoning Russians (ethnic or cultural) and allies, as opposed to Anglo society where back stabbing allies when the opportunity to earn exists, is a prized skill.
As such, this is a spiral approach. Any escalation by the foreigners will lead to a direct escalation by Russia and not deescalation. Balance of power does not work when Russia feels her survival threatened. Enough of an enemy escalation in the hope of forcing Russia to back off will generate an exact opposite effect in generating a first strike and total war, as Russia feels her life and existence is threatened by the enemy.
Nothing like putting Russian society in a threatened siege mentality to force the individual chaotic Russian nature to crystallize into one direction: total destruction of the threat and the states that generate it."
“Russia's army may be only 1 million but the ready reserve is over 20 million with a follow capability of total mobilization of over 40 more million, and maybe more if one starts counting female combatants and one should.
Last time the factories were run by children, old people and women. Now with massive automation, even more of society is freed up to fight. Since Russian civilization is not just land but a cultural idea/philosophy it generates an absolute fanatical loyalty. This is a loyalty to a culture that allows the temporary surrender of land for time in the understanding that this will then be used, combined with non-stop partisan warfare, to grind down the invader and decimate him deep in the Russian interior, before marching on his cities and burning them to the ground in revenge.
Europe needs to find some German or Romanian veterans and ask them how much fun they had. Mamal Kurgan, the highest hill in Volgograd (Stalingrad) a 1,5 km sq area had 35,000 identifiable bodies on it, half of them German, after 4 months of fighting. That is more than both sides lost on the beaches of Normandy. In WW2 the Germans were on average having 1 soldier killed every 30 seconds. Figure 3-4 times as many wounded.
The present serving armies of NATO would be used up in 3-4 months. That would amount to almost a million and a half dead and wounded.
NATO would collapse. Greeks would refuse to fight. Serbs would be a war in the middle of all this. Cypriots would refuse to fight. Turkey would likely also refuse to die in a war they could only lose from. Bulgaria would probably have a revolution. Romania and Italy and Spain and Portugal would not long suffer heavy casualties before their unpopular governments were overthrown. France more than likely also. US couldn't fully concentrate their army as they would have to release their grip on all other sectors which in turn would be blowing up.
As for a second front, that is, if America was to invade the Russian far east, well, outside of grabbing Sakhalin and Vladivastok and Khabarovsk, all of which will cost hundreds of thousands of corpses, a US invasion force would be faced with a march of 3,000 km, or about 1,800 miles to the nearest major oil fields and forced to cover a land area larger than the continental United States, in wilderness terrain, with Russian partisans and the very cold Siberian winter (8 months long) filling the corpse lists on a daily basis. In other words, outside of a temporary land grab, nothing to fear.
Also if things got bad China would step in knowing they are next on the hit list, and thus Siberia would be fairly safe from US forces.
The reality, Americans, Germans, and foolish Poles, is, Russians will fight and 152 million people will fight to the end, not because Putin sits in power, or because we fear the enemy, but because love of Russia, the very idea of Russia, will drive fanatical, well trained and armed with advanced weaponry resistance. Russians will fight regardless of who sits the throne, because we are not fighting for the leader but for Christ and for Russia, the land He gave us as the Third Rome. What exactly will you be fighting for?”
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/22/4790
So who wants to volunteer for this fun-in-the-sun tour of duty? Who wants to die for this shit show? A show of hands please. And who wants to pay for it? Hands please...
If this is not proof our leaders are insane, I don't know what is.
Great post. The neo-cons are oblivious; they believe they are above history--"history starts today" as one senior Bush official told a a senior Paki official when the latter tried to explain the obstacles to carrying out certain US plans in the tribal areas. They are not only "absolute fools with no understanding of the Russian psyche," they are insane because they think understanding is unecessary.
The word is megalomania.
The disdain for "Reality based" opposition to the neo-con efforts 15 years ago comes to mind. The TV nets had play by play of "Shock and Awe" with military and political spokesmen talking about being welcomed by children with flowers. Gwynne Dyer was brought on as the token historian and when he projected at least 50,000 deaths a huge bill and overall disaster for Iraq, he was roundly discounted. Of course in hind sight he was being far too optimistic.
I'm sure there are competent people in the US military and intelligence communities, I'm just not sure that anything they say is ever listened to, or even that they feel they can raise objections. When all the incentives are to "go along to get along" it takes exceptional bravery and self sacrifice to stand up and say "this is wrong". If you point out problems to an organization run on group think, it's going to be ignored or attacked anyhow.
I wish the track record for sanity in the ruling classes was better. Before WW1 everyone knew starting a war would be crazy, and so the possibility was discounted as too unlikely to consider. The American civil was was still recent enough to provide all the bad examples needed as a warning of what would come, industrial slaughter. Now even a “limited” nuclear exchange could produce death in numbers only an economist would be comfortable with. One low yield H bomb over say, Washington or Moscow to kill 8 million humans. In perspective, the average person gets to actually know about 400 people during their lives, so picture everyone you've ever met dieing horribly 20,000 times. One bomb. Risking that is madness, risking all out war, direct death in hundreds of millions and then several years of total crop failures to push the final numbers into billions if not an extinction level event for every mammal with a life cycle over 2 years, really needs a new word.
That really is what we risk now. Russia, USA, China, France, England, India, Pakistan and Israel all have bombs. All run by logical people of good will and with the long term good of all of humanity in mind, right?
If we blunder into a ground war, US and vassals against Russia and most of Asia, that will be incredibly bad for everyone. But if anyone looks like they will lose totally, what are the odds of launching everything they have in a final attempt to gain some sort of victory? Will there even be intact command and control left. One sub. Captain , one ICBM base commander, cut off and facing being over run or captured, could be all it takes to trigger a full exchange. 10 dirty bombs on China and the prevailing winds will render the country uninhabitable for decades. ( 25 year old US study ) China has all major US cities targeted for retaliation , and the wind will do the same for North America. That's not even counting what a US-Russia exchange would do. Would everyone be polite and not target every potential threat left while they are at it?
ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant
I need more Scotch.
Passionate post Fourmyle, +1
Also +1 for the Gwynne Dyer reference. He has done a lot of great work, 'Climate Wars' perhaps being the most topical in 2015.
Cheers!
The only problem with is analysis is... it assumes neocons are not stark raving insane lunatics who are positively foaming at the mouth to nuke anyone who refuses to kneel before them and become their stooge. Unfortunately, neocons are this insane, and they seem to get even more insane every year.
The tried and true Russian approaches don't work in a nuclear conflict. Not for Russia, not for the USSA, not for other countries involved (all of which will end up nuked), and not for human beings anywhere on the planet.
The neocons in the USSA and elsewhere are a massive existential threat to mankind. Any country that had strategists with more than 10 functioning neurons would send hitmen to pick them off one by one (leaving carefully planted false evidence to confuse and misdirect investigators).
"...stark raving insane lunatics..."
honestann, while I agree that they are stark raving insane lunatics, I also believe there are many of them began as true believers who would do these things with religious fervor without regard to personal benefit or payoffs. Pure RAH! RAH! PATRIOTS who think that GOD created America to rule the world, nearly 2 centuries since the concept of Manifest Destiny became the core of America's foreign policy. These are the most dangerous people.
If Russia was that powerful, in conventional warfare, they would have engaged before now. Conventional warfare requires an economy to support it.
Russia has shown it will not use nukes unless directly attacked by uniformed armys. Russia/Soviets even turned around from Cuba and have not been back. Not even after the west put nukes close to Russia, still Russia was not able to put anything in Cuba.
Hasn't Russia been destroyed economically in recent history. Instead of using it's nukes reports were that they sold them and without a doubt sold much of they military hardware on the black market.
If Russia had the backbone to use nukes without first being openly attacked they would have had the backbone to take a stand long ago. Even if their conventional military could not stand the test the willingness to go nuke would have been detered the fight from continuing for to long. Not a threat.
The greatest threat to the Russian people is that the russian elite plan to sell them out during the next collapse. The elite are taken care of and get their share of the spoils while governing the common people. That is more likely.
right sentiment, buy it'll be lot quicker . north america smolderin' ra heap.
Putin maybe ratcheting up rhetoric, but this is status post all sorts of US troop movements, sending tanks to the Baltics, sanctions, threats of more sanctions, multiple NGO efforts to destabilize the country, etc etc.
Saying he's ratcheting up rhetoric is like the typical msm trick of saying Israel is "responding" to rocket fire... when the rocket fire was itself a response to an unprovoked bombing raid by IDF jet fighters.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
You don't have to wash Putin's balls to see that the US/NATO "Grand Chessboard" is the aggressor these past several decades.
In regions far, far from American shores.
http://www.thenation.com/article/191409/when-will-us-military-end-its-pa...
To appropriate an old Polish saying - The US/NATO cry out in pain as they strike you.
Ecosutra maybe you are new here but the "6 million jews" and "death camps" meme got de -bunked a long time ago. Pick a better example next time . No problem with your theory of eugenics ,GMO,fracking, gluten, I could throw in agenda 21, chem trails, nuclear power,vacines , aspartame, fluoride, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated vegetable fat etc etc. Just sick of the big lies perpetrated by the victors of World war one and two against the heavily outnumbered and grossly abused Germanic people. Please dont be another tool in spreading that propaganda.
"...because it's impossible to scare a Russian..."
Yes, but is it impossible to scare a Neocon?
(That question is rhetorical. Neocons are criminally insane, so the Russians have their work cut out for themselves.)
AMERICA PLEASE WAKE UP.
The common denominator is the the USA. Once they have invited themselves to your country it is unlikely they will leave.
Every American should ask themselves and for the good of the world. Do you think having your military in well over 100 countries is going to win you friends. It is not.
Travel to Europe, Asia, South America and Canada and ask them what they think of you as a nation. Most will give you a slight smile and a vague answer. In other words their impressions of the average American person is cordial but the same cannot be said about the government.
They know that no matter who is voted in it will be more of the same. You know that better than anyone.
Americans have only assured themselves of one thing. They now have the whole world distrusting their military plunder of the world and for making a mockery of the world currency. They have also assured themselves of having enemies no matter where they travel to.
Ask yourself dear Americans. Your constitution has been ripped to shreds by successive Presidents and you don't even make a peep.
Please consider all this and become beneficial to the betterment of the world and stop being so destructive.
9/11 data dump. Mayhaps that's the threat.
I read today that Russians kicked out one of the very few remaining liberals backed by the West - Ponomaryov. He will now live in the USA. Good luck Americans with that traitor. His own political party Fair Russia kicked him out, because, you see, today being a liberal backed by the West means a political suicide in Russia. Russians are already on the firm path away from the West. They wont back down and they wont submit. It is impossible for them. I watched a documentary about centuries of history of Crimea and I realised that for centuries, Russia and the West have always been at war at some point or another - and it was always the West who wanted to destroy Russia. It is nothing new for Russians, so why should they be scared? It seems a permanent part of their history - to save their own existence against the West once again. Nothing new. And they are very good at it, just because they have done it so many times.
Zion Uber Alles. Or Alles Tot.
The banksters need to repay us.
1) Lebensraum in Syria
2) Gas pipeline to Europe
3) Control of most of the water in the ME
4) Finish the genocide of the Palestinians.
5) Dominate Europe again
i suppose an irradiated Ukraine would make a useful buffer between europe and russia.....
Judging on weather patterns, and the most likely locale for irradiation being southeastern Russia, most atmospheric radiation and fallout would end up on top of Moscow... and the whole Donetsk and Lughansk areas would be reservations of "No man's land"... like in Belarus.
At this point I assume the Russians have come to the same conclusion many of us have: those that are in control of the U.S. Federal Government are, for all practical purposes, insane. The Russians are preparing on a rational level no matter how much the DOS trolls and DIA hacks want to convince you otherwise:
Right now the Middle East is basically on a decent into hell. This is because John Kerry thinks he is Jesus Christ and can bring peace to the Middle East. This is why today you have Saudi Troops going into Yemen to fight Iranians; Iranians are fighting ISIS; Iraqis are fighting Syrians; spoiled brat wannabe western jihadis are fighting everyone and all the while North Africa is becoming a consolidated base for Jihad. What is the common denominator in all of this?
The United States Federal Government.
Now you have DOS, Obama & Co, and the guys who run Obama wanting to bring this "peace and democracy" to Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyztan.
Question: woulld you want to live in the peace and democracy of the Middle East right now? If you were Russian would you want that kind of peace and democracy in your front and backyard?
Personally, I think the balloon has gone up. For me WWIII has started just no formal declarations have been made. Figure you have until 2016 before the Russians have their S-500 missile defense up over Moscow and that's when the real shooting starts.
Til then, let's see how many of those new US HUMVEEs the Ukes have end up being owned by the Russians and Rebels.