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Why Is Russia Building Massive Underground Bomb Shelters?
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
Did you know that the Russians have a massive underground complex in the Ural mountains that has been estimated to be approximately 400 square miles in size? In other words, it is roughly as big as the area inside the Washington D.C. beltway. Back in the 1990s, the Clinton administration was deeply concerned about the construction of this enormous complex deep inside Yamantau mountain, but they could never seem to get any straight answers from the Russians. The command center for this complex is rumored to be 3,000 feet directly straight down from the summit of this giant rock quartz mountain. And of course U.S. military officials will admit that there are dozens of other similar sites throughout Russia, although most of them are thought to be quite a bit smaller. But that is not all that the Russians have been up to.
For example, Russian television has reported that 5,000 new emergency nuclear bomb shelters were scheduled to have been completed in the city of Moscow alone by the end of 2012. Most Americans don’t realize this, but the Russians have never stopped making preparations for nuclear war. Meanwhile, the U.S. government has essentially done nothing to prepare our citizens for an attack. The assumption seems to be that a nuclear attack will probably never happen, and that if it does it will probably mean the end of our civilization anyway.
Needless to say, the Russians are very secretive about their massive underground facility at Yamantau mountain, and no American has ever been inside. The following is what Wikipedia has to say about it…
Large excavation projects have been observed by U.S. satellite imagery as recently as the late 1990s, during the time of Boris Yeltsin’s government after the fall of the Soviet Union. Two garrisons, Beloretsk-15 and Beloretsk-16, were built on top of the facility, and possibly a third, Alkino-2, as well, and became the closed town of Mezhgorye in 1995. They are said to house 30,000 workers each. Repeated U.S. questions have yielded several different responses from the Russian government regarding Mount Yamantaw. They have said it is a mining site, a repository for Russian treasures, a food storage area, and a bunker for leaders in case of nuclear war. Responding to questions regarding Yamantaw in 1996, Russia’s Defense Ministry stated: “The practice does not exist in the Defense Ministry of Russia of informing foreign mass media about facilities, whatever they are, that are under construction in the interests of strengthening the security of Russia.” Large rail lines serve the facility.
Back in 1996, the New York Times reported on the continuing construction of this site. U.S. officials were quite puzzled that the Russians were continuing to build it even though the Cold War was supposedly over at that point…
In a secret project reminiscent of the chilliest days of the cold war, Russia is building a mammoth underground military complex in the Ural Mountains, Western officials and Russian witnesses say.
Hidden inside Yamantau mountain in the Beloretsk area of the southern Urals, the project involves the construction of a huge complex served by a railroad, a highway and thousands of workers.
Within the U.S. intelligence community, there was a tremendous amount of debate at that time regarding the purposes of this facility, but what everyone agreed on was that it was going to be absolutely massive…
A report in Sovetskaya Rossiya said the project involves construction of a railroad, a modern highway and towns for tens of thousands of workers and their families.
“The complex is as big as the Washington area inside the Beltway,” said an American official familiar with intelligence reports.
A couple of years later, a top U.S. general said that he believed that the complex at Yamantau had “millions of square feet available for underground facilities”…
In 1998, in a rare public comment, then-Commander of the U.S. Strategic Command (STRATCOM) Gen. Eugene Habinger, called Yamantau “a very large complex — we estimate that it has millions of square feet available for underground facilities. We don’t have a clue as to what they’re doing there.”
It is believed to be large enough to house 60,000 persons, with a special air filtration system designed to withstand a nuclear, chemical or biological attack. Enough food and water is believed to be stored at the site to sustain the entire underground population for months on end.
A few years after that, in 2003, there was an article in the Washington Post by Bruce G. Blair in which Yamantau was mentioned as a potential key target for U.S. nuclear war planners…
Die-hard [U.S.] nuclear war planners actually have their eyes on targets in Russia and China, including missile silos and leadership bunkers. For these planners, the Cold War never ended. Their top two candidates [i.e., targets] in Russia are located inside the Yamantau and Kosvinsky mountains in the central and southern Urals.
Both were huge construction projects begun in the late 1970s, when U.S. nuclear firepower took special aim at the Communist Party’s leadership complex.
Fearing a decapitating strike, the Soviets sent tens of thousands of workers to these remote sites, where U.S. spy satellites spotted them still toiling away in the late 1990s.
But the Russians have not just been building giant underground facilities deep in the Urals.
They have also been constructing thousands of new underground bomb shelters in major cities such as Moscow.
The following is an excerpt from an RT article in 2010…
Nearly 5,000 new emergency bomb shelters will be built in Moscow by 2012 to save people in case of potential attacks.
Moscow authorities say the measure is urgent as the shelters currently available in the city can house no more that half of its population.
In the last 20 years, the area of air-raid defense has been developed little, and the existing shelters have become outdated. Moreover, they are located mostly in the city center, which makes densely populated Moscow outskirts especially vulnerable in the event of a nuclear attack.
In order to resolve the issue, the city has given architects a task to construct a typical model of an easy-to-build shelter that will be located all over the city 10 to 15 meters underneath apartment blocks, shopping centers, sport complexes and parks, as in case of attack people will need to reach the shelters within a minute.
Of course all of this construction cost the Russians a lot of money.
One estimate put the cost at “anywhere from half a billion to a billion dollars”…
Though the bunkers are supposed to be designed to shelter the population in the event of a nuclear attack, government officials say it’s only a precaution and they do not expect such an attack or nuclear outbreak (e.g. Chernobyl) to occur. Neither RT or the Russian government provided estimates for the cost of the facilities. A Popular Mechanics article that reviewed a number of different types of bunkers and building practices had varying prices depending on the type of shelter. Since the proposed Russian bunkers would hold roughly 1000 people each (based on the population count and other details), one could estimate that the lowest price point for a bunker this size, with basic necessities like bathrooms and reserve food for a day or two, may run in the area of around $100,000 – $200,000. This would put a conservative price tag for 5000 shelters anywhere from half a billion to a billion dollars. A significant investment, indeed.
So what about us?
Has the U.S. government constructed any bunkers for the survival of the general population in the United States?
Of course not. In the event of a nuclear war, I guess they just expect pretty much all of us to die.
The Russians also recently finished work on a brand new national defense center in Moscow that contains extensive underground facilities…
Russia is launching a new national defense facility, which is meant to monitor threats to national security in peacetime, but would take control of the entire country in case of war.
The new top-security, fortified facility in Moscow includes several large war rooms, a brand new supercomputer in the heart of a state-of-the-art data processing center, underground facilities, secret transport routes for emergency evacuation and a helicopter pad, which was deployed for the first time on Nov. 24 on the Moscow River. The Defense Ministry won’t disclose the price tag for the site, but it is estimated at the equivalent of several billion dollars.
In addition, the Russians have also been developing a new anti-ballistic missile system that is designed to keep U.S. nuclear missiles from getting to their targets in the first place.
The U.S. doesn’t have anything like the S-500 that is currently being developed by the Russians. At the latest, it is scheduled to be deployed in 2017, but there are rumors that it is already starting to be deployed today. The following comes from military-today.com…
The S-500 is not an upgrade of the S-400, but a new design. It uses a lot of new technology and is superior to the S-400. It was designed to intercept ballistic missiles. It is planned to have a range of 500-600 km and hit targets at altitudes as high as 40 km. Some sources claim that this system is capable of tracking 5-20 ballistic targets and intercepting up to 5-10 ballistic targets simultaneously. It can defeat ballistic missiles traveling at 5-7 kilometers per second. It has been reported that this air defense system can also target low orbital satellites. It is planned that the S-500 will shield Moscow and the regions around it. It will replace the current A-135 anti-ballistic missile system. The S-500 missiles will be used only against the most important targets, such as intercontinental ballistic missiles, AWACS and jamming aircraft.
Sadly, most Americans are not interested in this stuff at all.
These days, most Americans just assume that the Russians are “our friends” and that a war with Russia could never possibly happen.
What they don’t realize is that the Russian people see things very, very differently. Today, 81 percent of Russians have a negative opinion of the United States. Our interference in the conflict in Ukraine has made the Russian people very angry, and there are many over there that now believe that a shooting war with the United States is inevitable.
And this week things between the United States and Russia got even more tense. Barack Obama has already announced that we will be sending “non-lethal” military aid to the Ukrainians, but now the U.S. House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a resolution that calls for Obama to send “lethal” military aid to the government in Kiev…
Yesterday, in a vote that largely slid under the radar, the House of Representatives passed a resolution urging Obama to send lethal aid to Ukraine, providing offensive, not just “defensive” weapons to the Ukraine army – the same insolvent, hyperinflating Ukraine which, with a Caa3/CC credit rating, last week started preparations to issue sovereign debt with a US guarantee, in essence making it a part of the United States (something the US previously did as a favor to Egypt before the Muslim Brotherhood puppet regime was swept from power by the local army).
The resolution passed with broad bipartisan support by a count of 348 to 48.
According to DW, the measure urges Obama to provide Ukraine with “lethal defensive weapon systems” that would better enable Ukraine to defend its territory from “the unprovoked and continuing aggression of the Russian Federation.”
“Policy like this should not be partisan,” said House Democrat Eliot Engel, the lead sponsor of the resolution. “That is why we are rising today as Democrats and Republicans, really as Americans, to say enough is enough in Ukraine.”
If Obama does decide to send lethal military aid to the Ukrainians, the Russians are going to flip out.
Sadly, neither side seems very interested in peace at this point.
We just continue to take even more steps along the road toward World War III, and it is a war that the United States is completely and utterly unprepared for.
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Because exposure of skin to 10 million degrees causes blistering ???
They know they're dealing with psychopaths?
Good luck surviving underground for a few hundred years, or maybe even a few thousand years. What is the half life of plutonium again? After the bombs go off, all the nuclear reactors, if they haven't been destroyed melt down, and all of the fuel in the cooling pools burn after the water dries up. I've said it before here, I'll keep saying it, there won't be an island on the planet you will be able to hide on to survive after the biosphere is destroyed. Or you can live like a rat in a hole. I bet they all go insane and kill each other in their holes then too.
Isaiah 2:19
People will flee to caves in the rocks
and to holes in the ground
from the fearful presence of the Lord
and the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to shake the earth.
The Luciferians think they have a plan but I think they're going to be very surprised when it doesn't work out for them. Don't think for a minute that the United States doesn't have similar complexes. .
Assume for a minute that the Russian government hides in their complex for a year or two after the nuclear exchange. At this point rains will have washed a lot of fallout away so they can resettle the land. Just about this time the crew in a missile silo in North Dakota fires their remaining MIRVs at the Russian complex. Toast.
This is not a joke scenario. It is a part of the nuclear deterrence scheme intended to make complexes such as this useless. During the cold war it was even suggested that we could be exchanging nukes for 50 years.
Does that make you feel safer?
what remaining MIRVs? The USA would be totallly destroyed by that time. Russians would not wait for any second strike. Besides, Russians still have the Perimeter. Why do people keep forgetting that? It can be launched automatically. All missiles at once at the USA. Not even mentioning all those modern silent Russian nuclear submarine patroling around the USA coast. And as for who is crazy, Russians do not plan to use nukes, they are quite sane. But they know that it is in the USA military doctrine: it is the USA who reserves the right of the "pre-emptive nucler strike", not Russia. And with those unsane neocons in Washington, what are Russian supposed to do? Wait for the neocons to strike Russia and do nothing? It is better to be prepared, when dealing with American lunatic politicians.
Everybody knows that that is spec housing for Morlocks.
Something is rotten in the Denver airport (13 Photos)
http://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport...
The airport is adjacent to the old Rocky Mountain Arsenal where all the horrible weapons of war were manufactured and tested.
Georgia Guidestones is globally applied, no?
So we have DUMBS, they have...(and Britons have their undergounds for centuries...)
"Sadly, most Americans (eh, earthlings, heads buried in sand) are not interested in this stuff at all."
Que sera sera...
And what exactly is under Denver International Airport ....... ?????
HAAAAAAAAARP
Dead Indians..., that's why they named it Dead Indian Airport (DIA).
One estimate put the cost at “anywhere from half a billion to a billion dollars”…
For a 400 sq mile complex it is far better value than a B-1 bomber and a shipment of weapons to the Yemeni rebels.
Was going to say, the difference is the Russians tell their people. Given the Russians have already been through a fair share of cullings, I suspect TPTB only want the people in the US intelligent enough to figure it out to survive (if at all). That seems to be the the eugenicists MO.
Err Al Capone's secret vault?
What's under DC?
What's in the "War Games" mountain?
What's under every state a local complex in the US?
The real problem for the inbreds running this ponzi is numerical. There are a thousand of us for each one of them. We feed em. We make sure their poopy flushes out of sight. We make sure they got `lectricity to stick a vibrator up their while they but bang preschoolers. They would exist without us choosing to allow their existence. them exist. All sorts of things they fear Waking the slumbering giant. Atlas shrugging. Loosing the comp status at the K Street Kiddie Brothels.
BUT WHAT THEY REALLY FEAR IS NUMERICAL. And our ratio to theirs is what they fear most. THese chicken shits get a wiff of the commons unity and they'll snitch on everybody to save their ass.
THEY GOT ANOTHER THING COMING
If you think I'll sit around as the world goes by
You're thinkin' like a fool cause it's a case of do or die
Out there is a fortune waiting to be had
If you think I'll let you go mad
You got another thing coming
It ain't the Ruskies they fear, fools. It's us!
And what exactly is under Denver International Airport?
Almost 20 years of construction on "nuthin" ... that and the billion-dollar kevlar roof are just normal, every day airport stuff .... /sarc
kelvar for polar shift. jet gas stored there in amounts beyond belief.
and of course this also...yep we are just innocent snow flakes..bad vlad, bad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zzQ0q5f5l8
What in the FUCK is this?
in the early 90's, I heard the queen was moving all her storage to the colorado mountains. that city in colorado with the military base, heard it was considered the most militarily fortified place on earth. Yes the us has vast underground as well, there is the factor that we are on a planet adrift in the cosmos, so planet pole shift, ice age, meteorite issues, supervolcanoes, whatever else, we do want someone to be planning for all that, notice they have at least one seed storage location, in iceland or somewhere like that. I am sure they have been doing this for a very long time.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)
The U.S. submarine based Trident II D5 missile has MIRV capabilities.
The Russians get that the USSA is controlled by a satanic bankster cabal comprised of ruthless psychopaths. Only the fear of their possible demise at the hands of the Russians (backed by the Chinese) prevents them from eventually destroying everyone but themselves.
The Russians have had a plan to do the same from their subs under the polar icecap, I thought that was why we are trying to melt it...?
yeah
He said, "The Russian spies have discovered where the most powerful nuclear missiles are in America. It will start with the world calling for 'peace, peace. Then there will be an internal revolution in America, started by the Communists. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn.
Dumitrru Dudumen
peace peace i suspect will be in spring 2018 the strike 2022-2024 get ready.
Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Denver airport?
I just heard an interesting lecture by Richard Dolan (who mostly writes about UFOs) summarizing the work of Richard Sauder on underground and undersea bases. Most of this is conjectural and the evidence is not conclusive. But the case is made that it is plausible that there are multiple large underground bases in the USA, such as at the Denver Airport.
https://solari.com/blog/dolan-lecture-on-richard-sauder/
And who is going to use them? What and who are they built for?
I've heard the U.S. Navy manages a few that are under water...no not mortgages, actual shelters or ?... straight out of Strangelove and the "shelter gap".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isG6V7RcF7E
If you have ever watched Dr. Strangelove, then you know we "can't have a mineshaft gap."
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley
I have "seen" such an underground command post in a lucid dream years ago. Felt as a military base in Russia. In the center of the room multiple flat laying glass slabs made into horizontal aligned interactive digital maps to pore over and look at troop movements. But nobody cared the maps, as on the walls on flatscreens dozens of international news channels talked over each other about some ongoing crisis involving commercial airplanes, for there was nothing more that could be done for the poor people inside them. And God be mercyful to their souls. That was the point in had enough and the scenery changed. You got my 2c, take it or leave it.
The interesting thing about End-Time prophesy is that even God has nothing but disdain for the Jews.
"The Chosen choose badly."
The banksters need to repay us.
The Church, allied as such with Zion, does not fare well either.
Actually, some of the tents of Judah will be saved first, so as their brothers don't utterly destroy them. But that is said to be those who don't bow the knee to (I assume) Mammon / Solar Cult / Baal / Whatever. Having said that, what actually constitutes a "Jew" in modern times seems quite the enigma to many. That is also addressed in the New Testament - namely those circumsized of the heart (faithful) those who would not engage in murder (war), false weights and measures (modern banking), bearing false witness (myriad forms of deception played out in modern times and media). 2/3 are marked for death :-(
Murder and war are not necessarily the same thing.
I'll sure consider that. Fight or flight. If flight is cut off, then it comes to self defense, which seems morally defensible.
Well, the proper translation of the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" not "Thou shalt not kill" - murder being the killing of someone who is not a threat to you (just 'cuz), or killing for your benefit (because you don't like them, property, power, etc). Killing someone who is trying to harm you or your family is 100% justified.
Not when you volenteer to put yourself in harms way. It only works if harm finds you through no fault of your own.
It is precisely IDIOTS like you, who believe a bunch of the ethnocentric, xenophobic, megalomaniacal myths of long dead nutjobs, who are going to get the rest of us killed.
A supreme be-ing did not write the bible.
And self-fulfilling prophecies are the work of stupid, gullible people, not the gods.
While I agree the Bible is primarily a cut& paste job from the Councils of Nicea, your fanatscism is no less (and no less dangerous) than any snake handler or mujahidin. Stalin killed 30 million (give or take) of his own people, Mao got 60 or so million of his own, and they did it in the name of "progress".
That kind of talk ain't gonna make you any friends here on ZH...
ZH has many not much gullible in real
That''s OK. I'm used to it. ;)
Take care.
you too busy calling names to find the strong connections...
it is hard, cos no mentor, teacher where most look
of course it tells the shepherds will be terrible,
will not call name or call out the real enemy...
seek...
Correct. This prophecy concerns the return of Christ, however, not nuclear war. If you want some prophecies concerning a nuclear attack, read Revelations 17 nd 18, which are about the destruction of the Great Whore, Mystery Babylon, which is destroyed. 10 kings and the anti-christ beast (the King-in-the-North as described in Daniel, come to hate the harlot, who whose led the world (and with whom all the kings of earth had fornicated and who had made all the merchants of the earth rich) and destroy her in 1 hour with fire. Who do you think Mystery Babylon is? I will leave it to your imagination as to what modern symbol the Mother of Whores refers to and what nation has fornicated with all the kings of the earth and has made all the merchants rich.
You will notice that this occurs shortly before the 2nd coming of Christ, which is a dark day, in which the sun does not give light... as if a nuclear winter settles over the world after the Great Whore is destroyed by Fire in 1 hour. You should also take note of the advice given in Revelations... ¨Leave her my people... or her plagues will be your plagues and her punishments will be your punishments.¨ I left the U.S. 3 years ago for South America... BTW.
"Who do you think Mystery Babylon is? "
More than one way to read this, and I'll offer the following for consideration (caveat emptor!!) - maybe chalk it up as wishful thinking on my part, since we know the US has been, at least, the attack dog. After the Tribes of Judah and Benj. came out of the Babylonian captivity, they brought out the false religion with them. Some of the priest class tried unsuccessfuly to introduce (some would argue re-introduce - particularly since Solomon had reportedly reembraced many things forbidden) the Babylonian / Chaldean / Zorastrian hybrid astro-theological concepts to their brethren, who summarily pooh pooh'd it. So they went underground so to speak, and eventually to where? Rome. The works of the Builders stand as witness.
The original system of the Isrealites was based *in part* on astro-theological concepts brought out of Egypt (the figurative/symbolic reading shows this clearly), but the later prophets told them to abandon the worship of the figurative.. God "gave them up to worship the host of heaven" in lieu of the All Mighty. The "works of their hands" and "idols" had much to do with the Egyptian (note also S. American and several others) systems of creating structures to mark the celestial motions and set up their religious and civil heirarchies based on them. Note that the Isrealite civil heirarchy was supposed to be tribal - why Samuel was frustrated.
Whore Babylon is considered, at least by some, to be the world of false religion. Get ye out of it? I reckon, do right, and try in earnest to get accurate knowledge in the time of revealing, or don't, that's a personal choice obviously.
If you want to know what's in that Book - read for yourself, don't take my word for it. Things that don't make sense you have to read with "figurative / symbolic" glasses - this will show you much of what was supposed to be abandoned. Turn over all the rocks you can - read as much as possible from many sources. Try to discover what is true. The New Testament, and some of the Old, is written (in varying degrees) to be read literally. Hope this helps. The New Testament words in red are important. How anything of value actually survived the hands of many of the butchers who have lorded over the scriptures astounds me, and encourages me.
The Statue of Liberty is modeled after the Babylonian goddess Semiramis who was also known as the whore of Babylon.
I will never coward I will stand and take my blessings and my lumps.
But I have only good or bad fortune as there are no gods.
No invisible sky beings that grant wishes.
If there is a nuclear war I would obey orders and launch so I hold no animosity to either side.
It is just that this time both ends of the stick were shitty.
May we all try to be a little kinder to each other.
"from the fearful presence of the Lord
and the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to shake the earth."
So this is equating "the Lord" with the death, destruction, and evil of war?
I can see that. The past 2000 years of Christendom have been quite evil.
Thou shall not commit murder.
Thou shall not steal.
What were you saying about "Christendom"? Oh, you mean those false christian organizations of control like the Catholic Church...
Just because a man might put on the costume of a bear it does not make him a bear.
Yup, going to church makes you as Christian as sitting in a garage and thinking you're a car.
Actions define.
Post of the day...
+100
The best part of the bible was where you could fuck your maid if your wife was barren. That, and the temple orgies.
As for nuclear war, yeah, we're all fucked, fancy caves and bunkers just delay the inevitable.
"Mr. President, we are facing a mine shaft gap!"
Geo. C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove
just a minute, you mean if i signed up as a member of the ancient minor middle eastern death cult (judaism)
i can fuck the maid ??
where do i sign ?
The God Calvary is late, maybe spirits don't exist. Face it, we are all going to die. I'll rethink my position if anyone can show me one instance where someone lived over 150 years. Fables don't count.
Wasted money and man hours. Tax exempt. Self mesmerism. Highly toxic authoritarian beliefs, killers. Nothing good, no redeeming qualities. All who believe in that Utopia, commit suicide and go join the flock.
LEAVE ME ALONE. I will not force my beliefs on you, I won't lobby to take away your tax exemption even though it is anything but a non- profit org.
Seems to me I've seen plenty of references to US gargantuan tunnel systems. Of course not for the general population, just the .01% and certain government officials.
The Denver airport?
More than that. Thee are stories about one military base in particular that saw an enormous quantity of concrete truck lined up for weeks going inside a military base. I don't remember much about it to be honest, maybe you should go read about it, but I remember the tunnels could be a thousand miles long.
Beam Me Up Scotty ,no need for war , the exact same thing will happen if the AC grid goes down for longer than the stations on site generators have diesel to run cooling pumps. The AC grid (and internet) need to be hardened not only from electromagnetic events but also from political interference.
...What is the half life of plutonium again?
Don't be a fool. Last I remember, Nagasaki was bombed in 1945 by a plutonium bomb. This is how it looks today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki#/media/File:Nagasaki_City_view_fro...
That's a good point. But think about what would happen to all teh nuclear reactor in the world in case of a nuclear war.
Ununpentium will save us.
One bomb. Think Chernobyl x 400
I'm more worried about Yellowstone popping its relief valve, plus Edgar Cayce and his doomsday scenario, though that is a much less probability.
Carbon 14 is in our bodies as are all sorts of other bad actors. Search ;
Composition of the human body. Then to complete your max knowledge for minimum effort, Composition of Air. You global Earth worshipers pay attention to CO2, it's so little that it is measured in parts per million. So to see the fraction move the decimal point SIX places to the left. Besides, the more CO2, the better for our food sources.
dude: nagasaki was 21 kilo ton, now we talk in mega ton.... just to say
Russian survivers = Morlocks
Everyone Else = Eloy
Good luck surviving underground for a few hundred years, or maybe even a few thousand years.
Hiroshima is well populated.
Not even close. Think Chernobyl x 400
Good points, that bomb utilized most of plutonium for the blast. These days they can dial the bombs to be either very dirty, as in a shit load of fine plutonium dust all over the landscape, to one that has few contaminants. Chernoby was like a dirty bomb.
"Good luck surviving underground for a few hundred years, or maybe even a few thousand years."
The same applies to America, minus the shelters. Good luck surviving at all.
@ Beam me up Scotty.
The longer the half-life of isotopes the less imminent danger to life, contrary to popular belief. The most dangerous elements are those that decay the fastest, at least from a biological viewpoint. Long-halflife elements are basically more stable and have a fair chance of cleaning it up decently. Also, there are not that many long-life isotopes after an exposion (more of an issue with reactors).
Having said that, I fully agree with the point you are making.
Because Crazy as an O'Bedbugahma just gave the green light to Iran to start building nukes..... which scares the Rooskies mightly.
Well, maybe not Vlad or Chuck Norris, but you get my drift.
Go deep, young man!
-Elmer Fudd
When Chuck Norris does push-ups, Vlad's pecs get pumped. And vice-versa.
Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups
Chuck Norris pushes the earth down.
He once changed the gravitational constant of the universe, but he found that it interfered with his total gym workout.
hand sanitizer kills 99.9% of germs, Chuck Norris can kill 100% of whatever he wants!
Chuck Norris has a grizzly bear carpet in his room,,, it's not dead it's just scared to move!
Those elusive Jackolopes. You can always find them eating unicorn droppings, under the rainbow...
"They know they're dealing with psychopaths?"
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Ya, the Russians know about Obama.
...because the Russian government hasn't been infiltrated by ... certain dual-citizen third columnists and still performs basic duties of government, such as acting in the best interests of the people?
Could that be it?
Anyone else get the feeling these whacko neocon bible-thumpers are conspiring to cause events that mirror Revelations? I mean... WTF?
Seriously. You're not the first person who's said that recently... and a whole bunches of 'em I know ain't religious in the least.
Somebody feels sumptin' wrong in the air
I'm not religious but have read the bible several times through as a complete book......just a cowinkidink me think.
And then you have their mirror image in the Shia Muslims who are waiting for the 12th Madhi to bring the Apocalypse and send the good Muzzies to Virginville and you no good nonbelievers to Goatville.
I mean, a goat in a pinch is one thing, but eternity is a mighty long time.
Wait til the Jihadis get to Paradise and find out it was a mistranslation
You don't get 72 Virgins. You get 72 white grapes
I don't get the joke.
It's not a joke. There is a long, long history of textual analysis of religious works among Jews and Christians - reading the original ancient texts in the languages they were written in, doing grueling scholarly research in an attempt to figure out what was really meant by the writers. But Islam doesn't have that same tradition, at least not nearly as much, because if you come up with a translation of an ancient religious text that some fanatic doesn't like, you'll be killed. It's an especial shame due to the scholarly greatness of Muslims of centuries gone by. In this case, some learned scholars who do text analysis claim that the "72 virgins" reward is a mistranslation of the original text. The text actually says that you get 72 special delicious rare raisins in Paradise, a whole handful. Yes, really.
shia are not the problem
better worry about the sunni wahabi, etc...
you seem ignorant of this subject
Yeah. The Jews conspired, in a global conspiracy in which the entire U.S., Nazi German, and British governments participated, to restore Israel to the Jews, and Jews from all over the world conspired together to cme there to live exactly as the biblical prophecies said. Millions of people conspired to restore and recreate a dead language, Hebrew, just as the biblical prophecies said. Millions of people conspired to return Israel to prosperity and to turn the dessert green, just as the biblical prophecies said. The Assyrians conspired to invade and destroy the kingdom of Israel, just as Isaiah prophecied. The Babylonians conspired to destroy the southern kingdom of Judah just as Jeremiah and Ezekiel prophecied. Christ and all of his apostles conspired to fulfill the prophecies of the Old testament prophets concerning the Messiah. Now the entire global population is conspiring to fulfill the prophecies in Revelations. Do you believe this? Or does it make a lot more sense to believe that the prophecies are true and give evidence of the existence of God?
Assyrian captivity....there was not one, but four invasions
later, The "Breakers" Medes and Persians came against Assyria.
Tribes of Israel rose up against their captors.
Assyrian might diminished, broken
Israel escaped, to be known by other names.
Most of Judah was also taken by Assyria
only small part of Judah along with Levite and Benjamites to Babylon,
along with far larger number Edomites, and others (long list) not belonging to Twelve Tribes
@ cossack55
Dont get that feeling at all. The feeling I get is that you are a obamatron assclown progressive. After all, obama and the progressive criminals ARE IN CHARGE and are leading the efforts to moar woar.
So why the pathetic attempt to cover what is pure progressive foreign policy---- that you apparently support?
Grimaldus
Yes and it is the ultimate act of faithlessness. God will do as God will do. Man cannot make it happen.
Anyone else get the feeling these whacko neocon bible-thumpers are conspiring to cause events that mirror Revelations? I mean... WTF?
Nuukie Puutie must have become a devoted Shia Muslim. Explains support for every Iranian leader's effort to get nukes.
Those bunkers will be the home to the ninth Iman while recovering from being in that well for over a thousand years.
"and still performs basic duties of government, such as acting in the best interests of the people?"
The people in the Russian bunkers ain't gonna be "the people." They are going to be the elites and the lucky ladies selected to help repopulate the earth. There are sociopaths over there, too.
bunkers in Moscow are built to cover ALL the population of Moscow...the same for other big cities, which would obviously be the first target...people from villages would be evacuated to the underground complexes...Of course it would be impossible to save everyone, but these complexes are built to save much much more people than just the rich elite
Not having first-hand knowledge, I can't say for sure. But city bomb shelters are a joke for a full-scale nuclear war. They are better than school desks in the sense that you will live slightly longer, during which time you'll get to experience melting skin. I'm pretty sure the mountain lair is not intended for the average guy.
Gotta give the sheeple some hope. And if they do live, they can be the new slaves. The elites will always need slaves. But see my post above, a nuclear WW3 will sign everyone's death warrant.
Russia is still entrenched in pretending that it is communist/socialist, so yes -- gotta build bomb shelters and such. In America, most people simply accept that the wealthy get to build huge bunkers for themselves to try to survive a nuclear war while the average guy watches his skin fall off. I suppose in that respect Americans are more enlightened.
The American way is better. At least we don't have pay for the bunkers of the elite.
What?
Sshhhiiiiitttt!
The ways are actually the same, but I don't have to tell you that. Because you're smart.
It was a concerted effort by liberals to get the US populace to believe that civil defense was pointless, thus unilaterally disarming.
The Russians know better.
Oh, and Fukushima will kill us all any minute.
http://www.jpands.org/vol11no3/orient.pdf
ignorant post
Russia has civil defense, trainings, planning
The bunkers work equally well against BIOLOGICAL agents, meteor strikes (up to a certain size) or an Alien* invasion.
* Damn Clingons!
"The People" are already "The Elites" in the US. "The People" is Congress. Sure ain't the Subjects (citizens).
Because they see what is coming, First strike by idiots who care nothing about any damn living thing. And are stupd enough to think their "dynasty" will survive on a planet they have stripped of life.
Shoot them all.
"Anyone not wearing an SPF 50,000,000 Sun Block is gonna have a very bad day"
Something like that was a line in Terminator 2.
To store Saddam's nuclear weapons
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Try again: 200 million degrees at the epicenter of blast
Coronal Mass Ejections don't raise temperatures. They just fry electronics. Bolide ipact ala Lucifer's Hammer perhaps? These are the only two major scientifically valid/possible scenarios in which a large underground shelter would be useful.
Bomb shelters are obsolete since the 50's, since nations don't carpet bomb each other anymore (air defenses make that too costly, exception of course being Arc Light/Linebacker in Nam). Cruise missiles- perhaps, but their payloads are tiny (~1000 lb. HE). Largest extant explosives currently fielded, (thermobarics/MOAB/FAEs) require large, slow delivery systems.
Sooooo...not really sure what the point is.
ETA: Bio/Chem attacks...thanks Kirk. So, four possible scenarios.
ETA2: Mike, FAE temps don't get that high. Not sure where you get your info.
US plans 'first strike' on Russia
That news is older than "Lincoln Shot"
What do you think the 'Missile Defense Shield' was all about, if not a US first strike?
Until the neocons realized that 20 or 30 Russian nukes were sure to get by the shield and they didn't want to play Russian Roulette with their real estate holdings.
The Russians don't want to be the side that starts the Nuclear War, but they most certainly will before they let Negroman tell them what to do.
Nuukie Puutie has warned the Danish people that if they continue to act in their own self defense they will be nuked. You believe he was he lying again?
explain how becoming Denmark becoming a target cos politicians sold out is in self interest...
when did danes start behaving like pollacks?
Nuked? They never built any power plants, so they can't be "nuked" (or "Fukushima'd as it should be called).
Seems like American people are being set up to take a huge fall. History always needs scapegoats.
Indeed it does seem like that. And by design. I suppose once the bankers have squeezed all they can, they wipe their dick on the bedsheets and burn the house down.
Don't forget the necrophilia and skull fucking before the fire.
There's always room for dessert
Are you insane?
Americans are being set up to take the fall? Americans have sat by eating their Kentucky fried for years allowing this, THERE IS NOT SCAPEGOAT asshole, Such a convenient excuse for ignorance.
Americans would take a big fall.
Russians would experience little difference. What standard of living is lower than a serf?
@ Augustus .
In the land of the SLAVES who think they are free that standard of living soon will become FOOD stamps . 92 millions in serch of non existent jobs and about 50 miliions of food stamps ...... soon to be 300 millions without a job and the country radioactive .
I hope Putin isn't insane. He seems fairly sane.
I am not worried about Putin. It these neocons who scare the shit out of me.
Shame on you. Why would you let any of those clowns in their little clown costumes scare you. I laugh at the silliness. The world is a stage....
I am not a shrink, but it does not take a degree in Psych to see that some of these folks are certainly psychopathic/sociopathic. There is no way to reason with these death cultists.
Because they have the 'launch football' and you don't.
The "launch football" has always been filled with porn and blow.
The neocons "clowns" as you call them are the most dangerous psycopaths on the fucking planet. They control the most powerful military force ever made. They killed over a million people while destroying Iraq, Syria, and Libya. They are currently in the process of doing the very same thing to the Ukraine. They rain death from above via robot drones on almost a dozen other countries.
Only fools would laugh at them.
Laughing isn't the best medicine in this case.
Mainly because those clowns just have to call you a terrorist and a million armed men are willing to kill you. Clowns can be scary like that.
Then you're blind and/or a complete tool for the guys running the marionettes. Putin, neocons, liberals, Americans, Russians, Euros, Chinese...they're all pretty much equivalent. There are no more sociopaths as a percentage of the population in the US or Russia or China or the RNC or the DNC than anywhere else.
Here's a clue: any time you say a sentence like "I'm not afraid of XXX, I'm just worried about the damn YYY", you are confirming that someone has not only fooled you, but that you're pretty much their bitch. It's like the old saying about when you can't figure out which person in the room is the mark, it's YOU.
Give your complete, unquestioning trust to nobody, and you'll at least not stray too far from the right path.
Obama has no intention to Relinquish the Presidency. Nuclear war with Russia means he can suspend the Constitution
Look at his pre emptive strike against Hillary. If the Hillbots realize she is unelectable, they will join with the Obots for Obama's coup d'état
He got rid of any armed Forces generals who wouldn't abide the takeover
****adjJusting calibration on my tinfoil hat***
The better question is why Russia is playing along with the Snowden op, but whatever, that requires critical thinking...
re: snowden op
this was posted today
http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm
it was written by a former ZeroHedge poster with a banking background
Sounds like a fucking nutter to me.
Michael Snyder?
Go long school desks
Because they want to keep their bitcoin wallet safe from emps?
Say a plane crash takes out a passenger's secret digital keys, how is the Bitcoin pool affected?
Bitcoin isn't real so there is no effect.
Does having one less believer in Unicorns reduce the number that will reproduce?