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"I'm Not Stupid" Monsanto Lobbyist Refuses To Drink Weedkiller After Proclaiming "It Won't Hurt You"
"Do as I say, not as I do," appears to be the message from a controversial lobbyist who claimed that the chemical in Monsanto’s Roundup weed killer was safe for humans refused to drink his own words when a French television journalist offered him a glass... "I'm not stupid," he proclaims... you be the judge...
In a preview of an upcoming documentary on French TV, Dr. Patrick Moore tells a Canal+ interviewer that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup herbicide, was not increasing the rate of cancer in Argentina.
Entertaining transcript:
“You can drink a whole quart of it and it won’t hurt you,” Moore insists.
“You want to drink some?” the interviewer asks. “We have some here.”
“I’d be happy to, actually,” Moore replies, adding, “Not really. But I know it wouldn’t hurt me.”
“If you say so, I have some,” the interviewer presses.
“I’m not stupid,” Moore declares.
“So, it’s dangerous?” the interviewer concludes.
But Moore claims that Roundup is so safe that “people try to commit suicide” by drinking it, and they “fail regularly.”
“Tell the truth, it’s dangerous,” the interviewer says.
“It’s not dangerous to humans,” Moore remarks. “No, it’s not.”
“So, are you ready to drink one glass?” the interviewer continues to press.
“No, I’m not an idiot,” Moore says defiantly. “Interview me about golden rice, that’s what I’m talking about.”
At that point, Moore declares that the “interview is finished.”
“That’s a good way to solve things,” the interviewer quips.
“Jerk!” Moore grumbles as he storms off the set.
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Might not kill you right away but I'm sure it tastes real bad.
It'll only kill the weeds. Bottoms up, mf'er.
he only eats organic, like what they serve intheir corporate office cafeteria
I'd bet he eats cock too. Corporate style. The f'n jerk
Glyphosate is one of the safest herbicides. I've worked around stuff that gives you a migraine after the first breath and makes your skin go numb after the first touch. That'd being said I still wouldn't drink it. If you don't believe it, go get some 2-4-D, one of the active ingredients in Agent Orange.
I worry about Monsanto's genetic engineering and the fact it's a monopoly. Roundup is just a diversion.
Yeah, but it's fun to bitch about and I agree, Monsanto nazi tactic's with there 'patented' seeds are the elephant in the room....
Regarding genetic engineering...
The idea we can do better than God OR +4 billion years of evolution (whichever you believe) with just a few decades of research... well... the words "hubris" and "arrogance" can't even begin to describe it.
They fucked up. Should have brought out Bill Nye the Shill Guy, I hear he sucks that Monsanto cock real well these days. He's much better equipped to shill, and has a teevee background.
It's a Trap!
http://www.nationofchange.org/gmo-technology-glyphosate-toxicity-leaving-men-sterile-1349019333
http://naturalsociety.com/monsantos-glyphosate-linked-kidney-disease-epidemic-poor-farming-regions/
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/06/14/groundbreaking-study-links-monsantos-glyphosate-to-cancer/
Highly informative articles, thank you for the links.
Monsanto produces GMO food that our brain cannot recognize as food... ie implanting spider genes into tomatoes. But it is very profitable, keeps populations down and gives the USSA better control over the rest of the world.
I call bullshit!
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly!!!
<< ... ie implanting spider genes into tomatoes. >>
Like many things, it's safe unless you are not designed to deal with it. The person that had the longest known lifespan smoked for 95 years and only quit at 115 because she couldn't see the end of her cigarette to light it.
DDT is another compound that isn't very toxic but the sheeple are programmed to be afraid of it.
Drink Glyphosate, it'll give you wings.
They'll be angel wings.
But, damn it, wings is wings!
The arrogant idiot saying "you can drink it and it won't kill you" stuck his whole leg in his mouth with that statement. He may as well have written the script on how to embarrass oneself and handed it to the interviewer. What a complete moron.
The funniest part for me was after he pulls his leg out of his mouth, he calls the interviewer a "jerk". lmao.
I'd rather be a jerk than a complete moron.
He should have asked the interviewer how much he would pay for him to drink some.
If the interviewer truly thought it was dangerous then the hazard pay would be very high.
Just because it wont kill you today doesn't mean it wont give you cancer in a few years.
Exactly, i think this WHO release is a false flag to make people look silly, whilst the real problem is the effect on our gut biome thru constant exposure in our food, chronic illnesses can be near impossible to trace to a single factor
isnt roundup a simple salt? that dehydrates the plant down to te roots?
ps fuck monsanto for all the other stuff they do.
being called a salt or a protein does not infer toxicity either way, there are plenty of salts and proteins that are toxic to varying degrees. I suspect the salt thing refers to a monsanto misinfo camapaign a while ago, part of "the matrix" we live in.
"Research" is an exaggeration, because the numerous studies and the many leading experts in the field that warned about it, were simply excluded from the final reports.
So it's even worse, it's the intentional ignorance torwards KNOWN problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68V1-2OGeYw
"isnt roundup a simple salt? that dehydrates the plant down to te roots?"
Let's find out.
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/glyphotech.html#prop
Go the the section subtitled 'dermal' and discover the ingredients.
ISOPROPYLAMINE:
'Breathing isopropylamine can irritate the lungs causing shortness of breath. Higher exposures can cause a buildup of fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema), a medical emergency, with severe shortness of breath. Repeated exposure can cause dryness, itching, redness, rash and cracking of the skin (dermatitis).'
http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1077.pdf
If you care to, you can research 'ammonium salts' as far as human exposure is concerned (the 'other' main ingredient).
ROUNDUP (t.m.) is a 'simple salt' like a thermonuclear weapon is a 'simple explosive'.
It's perfectly safe, though, because it's a 'simple salt'.
For simple people.
Let the experts at General Motors perform your next oil change. They only use G.M. certified oil, and genuine A.C. Delco parts.
interesting
Cocaine HCL is a salt.
Glyphosate is a broad spectrum metal chelator (Ca, Mg, Cu, Fe, Mn, Ni, and Zn) and thus interferes with the normal functions of any living organism with cells requiring these cations to perform hundreds of thousands of enzymatic reactions and cell signaling pathways every minute or even within a second. Some excellent background information on the molecular details has been put forth by Dr. Stephanie Seneff of MIT.
Our environment is widely contaminated with glyphosate, most of us have detectable levels in our blood.
"Just because it wont kill you today doesn't mean it wont give you cancer in a few years."
Silly comment. ZH has been overrun with people who are prone to think emotionally.
It also doesn't say it will give you cancer. Remember the BS about saccharin causing bladder cancer that turned out to be wrong. Well all you emotional thinking morons posting here, saccharin is a likely basis for cancer therapies for aggressive cancers.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-03/acs-pas021915.php
DENVER, March 23, 2015 -- Saccharin, the artificial sweetener that is the main ingredient in Sweet 'N Low®, Sweet Twin® and Necta®, could do far more than just keep our waistlines trim. According to new research, this popular sugar substitute could potentially lead to the development of drugs capable of combating aggressive, difficult-to-treat cancers with fewer side effects.
"It never ceases to amaze me how a simple molecule, such as saccharin -- something many people put in their coffee everyday -- may have untapped uses, including as a possible lead compound to target aggressive cancers," says Robert McKenna, Ph.D., who is at the University of Florida. "This result opens up the potential to develop a novel anti-cancer drug that is derived from a common condiment that could have a lasting impact on treating several cancers."
The new work examines how saccharin binds to and deactivates carbonic anhydrase IX, a protein found in some very aggressive cancers. It is one of many driving factors in the growth and spread of such cancers in the breast, lung, liver, kidney, pancreas and brain. Carbonic anhydrase IX helps regulate pH in and around cancer cells, allowing tumors to thrive and potentially metastasize to other parts of the body. Because of this finding, the researchers wanted to develop saccharin-based drug candidates that could slow the growth of these cancers and potentially make them less resistant to chemo or radiation therapies.
"Silly comment. ZH has been overrun with people who are prone to think emotionally."
Every day I try to limit people's exposure to radiation that might cause a problem with their DNA ie. cancer. Yet people who have cancer I send to have radiation to cure their cancer. WHAT!! The same thing that can cause cancer can cure cancer. Shiver me timbers.
I think yours was the stupid comment.
There is evidence that low levels of radiation reduces inflammation and cancer. Life has been bathed in radiation for 3.5 billion years.
But just keep on being ignorant and keep believing government lies.
That's genius. What next--a K Street Monsanto
shill masquerading in a white lab coat telling us
that Round Up will cure cancer?
I recommend you get your resume to Lurch
at the State Department immediately. Psaki
and Harf got nothing on you.
hey anusocracy, just exactly How many blue pills did you swallow anyway!?
He prefers to swallow corporate and government bullshit
I thought you were going to go another way on that...
I feel sorry for all those here who aren't willing to think but would rather let their feel good emotions rule.
According to EcoWatch, Moore was an early member of Greenpeace before becoming a consultant for “the polluting companies that Greenpeace works to change: Big Oil, pesticides and GMO agribusiness, forestry, nuclear power … anyone who puts up the money for truth-benders who appear to carry scientific and environmental authority.”
GMWatch noted that Moore has also recently used social media to cast doubt on the World Health Organisation’s conclusion that glyphosate is a probable human carcinogen.
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Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore On this page Media release - October 10, 2008 Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.While it is true that Patrick Moore was a member of Greenpeace in the 1970s, in 1986 he abruptly turned his back on the very issues he once passionately defended. He claims he "saw the light" but what Moore really saw was an opportunity for financial gain. Since then he has gone from defender of the planet to a paid representative of corporate polluters."
"we intentionally poisoned some folks"
If it is "holy" is because I died.
This shit is a very potent poison.
California is dry due to the interference of that product.
When you kill the weeds you cease to incorporate PH in the soil.
Here in my region, in central Brazil, we have a problem.
hehe.
I know a person who survived fall from 6th floor.
You should jump too. It's safe, obviously.
Since we're on the topic:
http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw/pdfs/factsheets/soc/tech/glyphosa.pdf
That's a good post. The fricking EPA states that exposure (in DRINKING WATER, concerned with runoff from farmers' fields) does all the shit that the 'conspiracy theorist tinfoil-wearing nutjobs' SAY it can do.
I wonder what it does when you eat it in your vegetables (which seem to absorb it from the ground that has been treated). I wonder if it is more concentrated in that head of lettuce or that tomato or that potato.
It's GOOD to see a post that deals in the cold, hard facts with a direct link.
Thanks, 'waterwitch'.
If it kills plant life, it can't be good for animal life. THIS fact ought to be obvious.
Sterile?! Long sperm banks?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/15/glyphosate-health-effects.aspx
http://www.organic-systems.org/journal/92/abstracts/Swanson-et-al.html
First try here in Canada!
Lobbyists are there to shell out the bribe money. Who would even believe anything they have to say in the first place?
Too bad the lobbyist wasn't Obama then the journalist would have kissed his feet instead of questioning his competency, or in the case of GW, his "Gravitas".
They should have held him down and forced him to drink it
...because resorting to force demonstrates a love and respect of others' FreeDUMB.
Daid gone it, General, where ya been lately? :>D
What he fucking said a very long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
It is a Trap
...what the arrogant prick said to himself after he was offered the glass of glyphosate.
I guess that saving his own ass was more important to him than his job. (actually that demonstrates that there might be some hope...)
Well, you don't know the POWER of the DARK SIDE, yet.
There once was a little girl who sat for hours watching a television with no broadcast reception. She had a famous line in a movie, once: "They're HERE!" THAT's when the bad stuff started to happen...
"They fucked up. Should have brought out Bill Nye the Shill Guy,...."
Bill Nye, the fake science guy who plays a scientist for the ameritards on ziomatrixvision.
...said by a character named Gaius Balthar. (Sorry. I'm a BSG fan and the fact that hubris and arrogance were part of Gaius' MO, well the irony tickled me.)
"Research" is an exaggeration, because the numerous studies and the many leading experts in the field that warned about it, were simply excluded from the final reports.
So it's even worse, it's the intentional ignorance torwards KNOWN problems.
But as it seems, this will be solved in a few years anyway, since Rothschild has bought into the weather forecasting business: soon the aluminium, barium and strontium concentrations from their spraying in the air will make plants die and then the patents on aluminium resistant plants will come handy and make the problems of Glyphosat look as not existant...
I understand better the expression "They are playing God" now.
Monsanto guys are insane.
The Monsanto family was the first to bring slaves to the USA.
Now all americans are slaves to their lobbyists and GMO poison.
What god you fucking imbecile?
Evolution caused quite some errors in many species.
Your stupidity is one example.
Bovine Growth Hormone in milk courtesy of Monsanto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3hCR_yCvkk
Fox killed the story under threat from monsanto lawyers.
Monsanto is one of the biggest enemies of the human race. If not the biggest. They should be dealt with accordingly.
The World According to Monsanto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_DbVdVo-k
A revealing documentary
Which human race? There is a human species consisting of human races.
Roundup
A term not unlike that used to corral livestock for 'harvesting'.
yes, Glyphosate is not a carcinogen,, this is a propaganda stunt...
and the ZH ignorati takes it hook line and sinker,,,
Patrick Moore is fighting Greanpeace and the enviromentals who are against all GMOs..
including golden rice.. which could save millions of children,,
http://www.goldenrice.org
"The most damaging micronutrient deficiencies in the world are the consequence of low dietary intake of iron, vitamin A, iodine and zinc. Vitamin A deficiency (VAD) is prevalent among the poor whose diets are based mainly on rice or other carbohydrate-rich, micronutrient-poor calory sources. Rice does not contain any ?-carotene (provitamin A), which their body could then convert into vitamin A. Dependence on rice as the predominant food source, therefore, necessarily leads to VAD, most severely affecting small children and pregnant women. In 2012 the World Health Organization reported that about 250 million preschool children are affected by VAD, and that providing those children with vitamin A could prevent about a third of all under-five deaths, which amounts to up to 2.7 million children that could be saved from dying unnecessarily."
Why yes, with a name like World Health Organization - how could we go wrong?
Nevermind the corruption trail behind them (Tip: use the AOL Keyword "world health organization corruption")
Fun fact: The US Department of Defense was originally named Department of War. Guess they learned a neat trick when the named the World Health Organization huh?
Who?
Yes.
Who's on First?
Yes, he is.
What's the guy's name on First base?
No.
No's the guy's name?
No, who's the guy's name.
That's what I'm ASKING!
That's what I'm TELLING you! WHO.
WHO?
GMOs could be all their peddlers crack them up to be, and it won't matter. They depend on an industrial system that is unsustainable, and they are going to go away. Another flaw is that the Round Up Ready crops are farmed using methods that depend on weeds that are suceptable to Round Up. There have been Round Up resistant weeds for nearly 20 years, and the problem is only getting worse. This is good for Monsanto, in the medium term, because they get to sell more and more Round Up as farmers spray more and more. This means that they're going to have to come up with a safe alternative to Round Up and a new GMO that is resistant to that alternative. They will have to continue this process as the fundamental nature of life is not going to change because we think that GMOs are going to save the world. They will not.
...and in the meantime they will have wiped out entire systems / biospheres, and set the stage for more aggressive weed species. Aren't we doing this right now with antibiotics?
A "Toxicity Arms Race" is not something I believe is a good idea to engage.
Yes, as soon as an antibiotic makes it into agricultural use, it rapidly becomes much less effective. The fuckers use it prophylacticly on everything that is susceptible to infections that antibiotics might cure.
And yet humans still need a script. That's the stupidest part.
Yup. If you make the argument that antibiotics should have their use curtailed due to the fact that overuse makes them less effective, this should apply everywhere. But being consistent would either require people to change how they do business, or it would put some folks at the FDA out of a job.
Billy and El,
If you are looking to aquire antibiotics to store for emergencies, look into fish antibiotics. They are exactly the same as script. Even better, they are manufactured by a freeze-drying process that makes them ideal for deep freeze storage for up to 10 years of potentcy.
@Creepy, if you really want them for emergencies, and they will serve double duty as topical and water sterilization chems too, look into acidified sodium chlorite (not to be confused with household bleach which is sodium HYPOchlorite), it is a food grade toxin killer that leaves no residue other than salt, or true colloidal silver.
I make both for less than pennies per dose. My sodium chlorite is very portable in its powdered form.
Just another alternative, and ones that actual work and are not causing birth defects and deaths from superbugs like the rest of our soon to be worthless modern chemical alternatives.
Who you going to trust, thousands of years of human experience with a god-made product, or the rich guys pushing death under the guise of helping us?
I know whom I trust, and lo and behold, I am no longer beholden to my doctor and drugstore three or four times a year.
if you like your monsanto, you can drink your monsanto
"Life will find a way..." -- Ian Malcolm - "Jurassic Park"
facts to your comment, its the benbrook report (impacts of genetically engineered crops on pesticide use in the us the first 16 years):
http://www.enveurope.com/content/24/1/24
100,000 more years and we will have roundup ready humans !!!
@Event Horizon. My eloquence fails me, you sir are a cunt
ignorant and childish,,, research Golden Rice and the smear campaign against Moore from the Enviros, he is not a Monsanto lobbyist.. Monsanto and roundup is a red herring...
Not all GMOs are bad,, it is juvenile to accept the black and white world presented to you..
and yes, the ZH crowd is getting dumber,,,, sucked in by propaganda..
Could we be any dumber than you.
I guess everyone should believe some link that pops up on Google.
Getting dumber? You cad. Have you no shame? Next thing, you'll be accusing people here of being sucked into the Ebola scare...
Squirrels!!! infected with ebola...lol.
independent scientific facts about golden rice:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/rice.php
apropos... syngenta stopped the commercial line of this rice... no explanation why. .. . . . . . . .
too much to read? watch (general infos gmo, great film!):
http://thoughtmaybe.com/the-future-of-food/
Yes, if a hungry child eats just 8 kilos of golden rice per day that child will get the same amount of vitamin A that they normally would have to eat one whole bite of papaya or mango to get. Who in their right mind would want to chew up one whole bite of mango when they could just toss down 20 pounds of golden goose er I mean rice. Every day.
The bar is set pretty high for trolls here; perhaps you'd like to talk this thread over with your overlords and come back with something just a bit harder to disprove.
"Golden Rice" treats a symptom. Resolving the cause requires more than just rice.
You're an idiot.
"yes, Glyphosate is not a carcinogen,, this is a propaganda stunt...
and the ZH ignorati takes it hook line and sinker,,, "
You're so full of shit, Event Horizon, I don't even know where to begin. I grew up for more than half my 50 years in the cotton and soybean growing region of the Delta in Mississippi. 1960's - 90's.
I was one house down in the suburbs of a small town from a huge cotton field. I worked in the cotton industry in high school for an entomologist ( bug hunter ) checking cotton from sunup to past sundown in the spring and summer months for the various types of pests that would prey on the cotton plant from sprout to full open cotton boll. I hung out at the farms where various barrels of pesticides and herbicides, such as the then newly introduced Roundup, could be found....many times leaking out. I was sprayed by asshole cropdusters while I was baking in the 90+ heat at 70% humidity with a dipnet in hand sweeping cotton that back in the day could reach 6 ft tall, before the shorter hybrids came out. At times....I know for a fact that I was sprayed with Roundup. #1 I would hear the cropdusters talking to a farmer at the time I was there about what he would be spraying. #2 Each of those chemicals has a distinct smell. Roundup is no different. Over the course of 4 years I was hit repeatedly with Roundup, along with various pesticides. And even when I was at home....I could go outside, take a whiff, and know what had just been laid down. If you can smell it.....it's already in your blood stream.
17 years ago, I went through a year of chemo to battle my lymphoma. An uncle of mine came down with it too at the same time. He didn't make it. I almost didn't.
Fuck you. Roundup along with other synthetic and / or industrial strength chemicals and pesticides are carcinogenic. Even if they are precursors as in fucking up your hormones and genetics which then cascades to cancer. If it is designed to kill life.....even plant life and not animal life....at least on paper.....then it will and perhaps in combination with other chemicals....become lethal.
But hey Event Horizon.....have a drink of the shit on me.
Wish I could upvote you 1000 times more. Sorry for your lymphoma but glad you beat it.
Thank you Daisy. Only by the grace of God.
Forgot to mention. My uncle and I were not related genetically. I was adopted. So there is no genetic link that could be used as an excuse at least for me.
Also forgot to mention that my adoptive father succumbed to brain cancer in that same town.
Currently fighting stage 4 cancer. Right now cancer free and working hard. Glad you made it Jumbo.
Well....I'll light a candle at Mass for you as soon as I get back home, but know for a fact my prayers are going out right now for you and your family. In fact.....I've got to grow a pair again and see the doc for a suspicious looking mole on my hand. It seems to all of sudden decide it wants to be a little more than what it's been for the last 51 years.
What an irony. Cells that want to live forever and never die. And end up killing the host and killing themselves in the process. Kinda like the Masters of the Universe that run the freak show on planet Earth.
Godspeed my friend. Let us know how you continue to do. We're a dysfunctional family here at ZH. In fact....I had recently left and said my goodbyes for good. But like a real family, dysfunctional as it may be.....in the end....it's still family. You always have to visit at least once in a while.
Peace.
You can check out if you'd like...but you can never leave.
It is a trap, Jumbotron.
Welcome to hell.
LOL !!
Well....at least we're together.
Good thing about this life here.....it ain't permanent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsAkX2dAiU
That has nothing to do with Golden Rice,,, Patrick Moore is promoting Golden Rice, not roundup, he was just stating the science,, it is not a carcinogenic,, He is in a fight with Greanpeace, they have had a smear campaign against him,,
you don't want to save millions of children... research Golden Rice and Patrick Moore before you accept the propaganda stunt..
Who gives a shit about golden rice? This is the same old Monsanto line. Look how much more (harmful) food we can produce for you! I could manufacture styrofoam loaded with nutrients, and you can bet that you'd live a few decades off the stuff. All the while, glycosphate taints our water supply and food supply. Not to mention the cross pollination between GMO and non-GMO crops resulting in non-GMO farmers to have to resort to using glycosphate now that their crops are suddenly vulnerable to pests.
Monsanto is playing with fire, and it may very well be the premature death of us all.
The "millions of children" you save with GMO frankenfoods will just grow up to have millions more children that will need saving, with the next clever GMO agribiz ad campaign. Unsustainable is unsustainable.
"faith as cold as ice. Why are little ones born only to suffer, for the want of immunity or a bowl of rice? Who would hold the price on the heads of the innocent children, if there's some immortal power to control the dice? RUSH /
So fallout11 that's the best we can do you figure? WOW Why don't we just nuke them all and be done with it?
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"It's worth remembering that in Mary Shelly's story, Dr. Frankenstein's creature was a misunderstood good guy, wrongly vilified by the fearful populace. Of course, that's a rhetorical argument, devoid of meaning. But so is the term Frankenfood." Stewart Brand /
Why dont we?
Its being planned. Patience please!
+2112.....just because Rush
-2113.....just because you're wrong. We've exceeded natural carrying capacity. Our magic will run out eventually with the decline of free money economics and cheap energy.
After 4 years of being a "member," you finally emerge from under your bridge to say "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN"??? If this is what we're up against, I'm no longer worried.
And Shelley's "Frankenstein" is a story of a man who arrogantly thought he could play God, and created an abomination.
these children dont have a lack of vit A cause they dont have gmos. think please.
they have a lack of vit A cause they cant pay for food, and their land was grabbed, and the financial system must destroy food instead of sharing, their needs are "invalid".
hunger will come to the first world soon, and we will all be sad, we didnt fought it earlyer.
The earth has more people than the calories to feed them. We have literally reached peak people, peak fresh water (which Monsanto crops need lots more of), and are reaching peak easily accessed energy.
Which means life is getting ready to become much tougher for many of us.
WHY are we saving people living on lands that will not support them?
God laughs at our hubris and attempts to circumvent him.
Blowback will be a bitch.
BINGO !!! + 7,000,000
And with those facts Rock......therein lies the rub. In our hubris and even very good intentions, we have sown the seeds of our eventual decline and for many folks in the world a lot of pain and death. All this magic we've created to accelerate nature to promote and sustain additional life above and beyond the Earth's carrying capacity is eventually going to cause the collapse of the world's econcomic systems which will put an end to the magic we produce and thus producing the death spiral that will lead to us returning to a carrying capacity the planet can sustain.
And a billion or more folks are going to wink out in the process.....and a few billion more will never be born in the coming centuries.
But my fear is that when that time arrives, our Elites will go for broke trying to save the world and thus bring about a true world government and the world will be darkened as the light of freedom and hope is snuffed out in the course of those sons of bitches try to save their own skins and their visions of utopia on Earth.
I think the plan is in action now. A company called Epricyte developed a corn that causes sterility, early on. The ethics of intentionally making people infertile are complex and there are arguments for and against, it is a total removal of human rights, however the worlds resources are limited. Popn trends are interesting, it seems the wealthier we get the less children we have, one might argue if they reduced the popn of people they may then be more wealthy and have less children, not something i know the answer to.
Edo period japan (non-industrial, non-fossil fuel) had a fairly stable population at 25-30 million without being an ecological disaster. They had asshole samuri to deal with and tax collectors who were corrupt in a much less caustic fashion than what we have today. They'd ignore some of the rice production of a village if they were wined and dined and not tax all of it - i.e. the little people had some influence on a personal basis. If a cooking pot wore out, they'd try to have it mended. In a pre-industrial civilization, this mentality with metal goods is what prevents deforestation. Metal working without modern energy sources uses enormous amounts of wood. Their government also made sure that farmers knew what the actual best practices were when it came to keeping the land healthy. Yes, they recycled human waste, and we should be too, but not with sludge. I expect that some corners have been cut with sludge.
Japan also had 22 major famines between 1400 and 1800, which kept the population stable. An isolated island with little external inputs during that 4 century period, it was effectively a closed system, steady state, and famine corrected any population overshoot in excess of internal carrying capacity.
We sterilized some folks.
Millions of children are vitamin deficient because they're in poverty. Explain how, exactly, impoverished farmers having to shell $millions over to a foreign corporation for GM seed is going to reduce poverty.
Monsanto and Syngenta aren't charities, didn't you notice?
If those companies gave even the slightest shit about poverty, they'd donate their profits directly, instead of trying to push their seeds with the IP trap.
According to Stewart Brand in 2009 Whole Earth Discipline :
"Then Adrian Dubock, A British scientist-diplomat at Syngenta, freed Golden Rice from its maze of patent violations involving other companies and arranged for the developing-world rights for golden rice2 to be managed by The Humanitarian Golden Rice Network, chaired by [Ingo] Potrykus. Any farmer making less than $10,000 a year could get the seeds for free and own the right to bree and sow them year after year."
NECA gives a shit ; )
40 point plan
I live in North Dakota , everyone up here has cancer and it is pritty much understood that it is the chemical's the farmers spray that have caused it . What is more worrying is that the limit of ppm of Roundup and 24D last year were lifted from about 381 ppm to 3000 ppm . So that means that even more is going to be absorbed through your gut . Strange story I new a farmer that used to say that Roundup was very safe and to prove it he did a shot of it in the bar , it gave him real bad stomach ache for a week and 3 years later when trying for kid's he was told he was sterile . But it had nothing to do with the shot I am sure.
I nominate that guy's children that will never be born for The Darwin Award......in absentia.
Can we give this moron Moore a Nobel prize of some sort. He'll be with his own kind.
we're such a stupid species
You are a scumbag. Monsanto is a plague on the Earth.
http://www.naturalnews.com/049120_glyphosate_exposure_WHO_admission_canc...
Glyphosate is “probable human carcinogen” – WHO’s cancer agency
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2015-articles/16015
glyphosate residues normally allowed around 0,1mg per kg. but cause in soya they find 18- 100mg per kg and even more,WHO put limmit to 20mg per kg. WHO is infiltrated, they will never admit its dangerous.
see newest study (ex greenpeace man now running testbiotech.com went measuring...)
http://www.testbiotech.org/sites/default/files/TBT_Hintergrund_Glyphosat...
ps sry not available yet in english
That wasn't a scientific study, it was an opinion,, they use "probably" the actual science does not support it being carcinogenic..
You mean the "actual" science that Monsanto bought and paid for?
How can "research" be performed by those that benefit from the sale be unbiased?
It CAN'T, no corporation would PAY to shut down their own sales.
Independent labs cannot get the same results as your "actual science."
Which means it ISN'T science, which is both verifiable and repeatable.
And studying 2 generations of mice doesn't quantify declaring it safe for humans, yet that is exactly what your "science" is based on.
How many glyphosate shots have you had tonight?
Hard to imagine a weapons manufacturer would be careless with human health.
Golden rice has fortified Beta Carotene. For that to be converted into Vit A in sufficient quantites it needs fat to be consumed along with it. Rice has not got enough fat to allow this. The whole concept of alleviating Vit A deficiency is not possible with their malnourished diets. Buy them some butter and u may get enough, im guessing Bill Gates and his bankster buddies wont do this. Its not about producing foods with fortified properties, its about fixing the financial systems that mean they cant afford a balanced diet.
Rice is a starch which is converted to sugar in the human body. Eating a bowl of rice is the same as eating a bowl of sugar.
Unless you eat it with a high protein and natural fat.
Then it is correctly utilized by your body.
I lost over 30 pounds by adding natural fats (like more red meat, coconut oil by the spoonful, whole milk) and cutting ALL carbs back to less than 30% of total calories. I eat 1/3 protein, 1/3 fat, 1/3 carbs including fruit and veges.
I am nearly 48 and within 2 pounds of my optimum adult weight. Never hungry and still losing belly fat.
Screw the experts, they are paid-for liars and corporate shills.
1/3 protein, 1/3 fat, 1/3 carbs.......is that the "balanced diet" I keep hearing so much about ? Sounds loony to me. /sarc.
Compared with what used to be commonly available, Glyphosate is positively benign, with a Rat LD50 of 5.5g/kg http://www.invasive.org/gist/products/handbook/14.Glyphosate.pdf (which makes it a LOT safer than many Prescription drugs, especially things like Digoxin!!)
The earlier auxin-mimetic herbicides were far less safe, with the carcinogenicity (dermal, mouse model) rising with the degree of substitution (i.e. monochlorophenoxyacetic acid (MCPA) was the least topically active, whereas 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic (2,4,5-T) was the most. Be aware that there was a lot of evidence implicating extraneous TCDD (tetrachlorodibenzo para dioxin) as the main carcinogen (produced as a process byproduct - remember Seveso / Bhopal??), and this many be one reason for the withdrawal of 2,4,5-T from the domestic market.
The MOST toxic of ALL the available herbicides is Paraquat / Gramoxone (methylviologen). Slow, VERY unpleasant form of "suicide by induced pulmonary fibrosis" in cases of deliberate ingestion [saw just the ONE case when doing a Locum ED stint in Wisbech, UK, which is very much a rural farming community. Patient was transferred to the District General Hospital (King's Lynn) then airlifted to one of the London hospitals (Guys??) where he died, despite ECMO therapy (very early technology development stage in those days)].
ld50 is an acute toxicity test, ie relatively quick response. No one is accusing Glyph as being responsible for acute response, the opposite, chronic illness is the suspected problem. Who would know with the system so buggered up by the chemical companies being the tester of their safety and the FDA being a passenger on the bus. Also, no one drinks glyphosate, we have low levels of it in most processed foods due to the subsidies US farmers get compared to the rest of us farmers. Its one of the perks of the reserve currency status, along with killing innocent people in perpetual wars to safeguard the US dollar hegemony.
Just as chronic illness is a suspected problem dwarfing any acute response, so is there a suspected problem dwarfing the chronic illness caused by anything having to do with Genetic Engineering. And it ain't chemtrails...
refer to condition 1SQ comment below, there is plenty that can go wrong with genetic engineering such as the production of novel proteins, these can be allergenic, hence i suspect why peanut allergies have increased in last 20 years in my country. Problem i see is not GM alltogether, the problem is the companies test the products and the govt authorities are corrupt. Most independent studies have flawes, not long enough for chronic effects, funding conflict of interests and done by ag scientists, not people with medical training. Other problem is, there is a massive chance of intentionally inserting bad genes, who would know if they result in chronic illnesses. Have a look at the top shareholders in Pfizer and Monsanto? the people inseerting genes are the same ones benefittinhg when we sick, big problem.
+1 what's the LD50 of coffee? ; )
Unknown. Believe me, I've tried to discover the answer. That's one of the things that I'll miss the most if supply chains break:(
So, you're calling ZH'ers idiots?
You ready for a fight, asshole?
First off, on glyphosate: it is a KILLER, especially in places with hard water, like Sri Lanka - where 20,000 have DIED because of it so far (and 400,000 sickened):
http://www.dailynews.lk/?q=features/glyphosate-mass-killer-or-weed-killer
Second, golden rice is a fucking LIE:
https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/ge/goldenrice100404.php
Third: I have a Master's degree in genetics (UT Houston, 2000). I studied Bacillus anthracis (antrhax) and it's sister bacteria, Bacillus thuringiensis - which is nearly 100% identical to anthrax on the chromosomal level. They are basically the same bacteria; the only differences are in the plasmids they contain.
Why is this significant? Because farmers used to spray B. thuringiensis on their corn crops, as it produces a toxin, BT toxin, which when ingested by Lepidoptera (butterflies and moths), it destroys the microvilli in their guts, killing them.
Well, guess what? The idiots didn't stop there; they decided to actually put the gene that codes for BT toxin right into the corn itself. They said, hey, people's guts are millions of times larger than any bugs, it will be harmless!
Um, no...not when you figure corn is the #2 most eaten staple grain (after wheat), and chronic ingestion can destroy your intestinal lining over time. Why is this bad? Because once that barrier is broken, complex food compounds can enter your bloodstream and cause your body to form antibodies to them, making you allergic to basic foodstuffs and causing auto-immune diseases. Hence, gluten intolerance, among other illnesses.
On top of that? The glyphosate they drown that shit in kills off the good bacteria in your gut, so that bad bacteria take over...and worse: the BT toxin was first taken from B. thuringiensis and transferred to E. coli (a typical gut bacteria) so it could be easily handled/cloned/tranferred into corn. This is bad because now, when you eat food containing those genes, your gut breaks it down and makes available this DNA for other bacteria to take up and express these genes, basically creating a BT toxin factory in your gut.
I could go on forever about this, but just take in those facts and tell me again that we ZHer's are 'ignorati', because you are a mother-fucking hateful Monsanto-loving MORON and FUCK YOU TO HELL
Dear God. <shaking head> Makes so much sense now.
Beautifully explained.
I heard about it the first time in the french documentary "Monsanto with poison and genes".
How well established is this knowledge among the scientific community in the meanwhile? For example, are universities explaining or still covering up to the students (= next generation)?
Bottom line: We are not smart enough to modify our food and diet that we have evolved in over millions of years...
yes well explained. In Aust where i live peanut allergies have increased 350% in the last 20 years since GMOs went commercial. Do u believe the genetics/plant scientists are ignorant to the effects or just hoping that time will mean better accuracy in methods and less chance of getting unintended effects?
Holy fucking shit. This needs to become more well-known. Thank you for taking the time to explain that.
Yes, and spraying tens of thousands of tons of aluminium into the air will cool the planet and is not harmful to life.
Hey if you wanted to raise temps do you think an aluminum blanket would work?
Parrotile:
Correctomundo.
Shit won't kill you either, but I don't see TV interviewers volunteering to eat some...
...oh, wait. MSM excluded, when it's Obama's shit.
Just pointing out the facts, chum.
I have yet to see ANYONE killed by glyphosate exposure. The literature is pretty replete with CONFIRMED toxic effects of the other agents I've mentioned, especially Paraquat / Gramoxone (many bystanders have been killed by accidental overspray inhalation, especially of the "Commercial" strength Gramoxone, and there are enough references suggesting that dermal contact alone (of the concentrate) may be sufficient to produce fibrosis).
I live in "OH&S Obssession Central" Australia, where OH&S is THE big thing. I can buy Rooundup (or the many generic equivalents) as a concentrate, or as a ready-to-spray solution from ANY retailer (Garden Suppliers, or even Supermarkets!).
So the Australian Government (and boy are we mightily over-governed by a vast and expensive army of "We know best" bureaucrats) seems to think this is safe, and their assertions are supported by many pretty reputable studies, mostly independent.
Is it safe long-term? How long is long-term? Generational, or multi-generational?? Will it even remain an effective agent over these timescales, or will our Mol. Biol. friends come up with other solutions to problem weed management (acceptable to everyone, even the "Organic" brigade)?
Personally, I'd be far more concerned with the outcome of US adventurism in Ukraine and elsewhere right now, rather than worrying about something far less immediately significant.
As always, "One's personal mileage may vary" on this very emotive issue.
I live in Aust too and am wondering where these studies u refer to are? the Aust Pest Vet Med Ass (APVMA) do no such studies, only review the ones the chemical companies in the USA provide as proof of safety (conflict of interest?) Regarding u not seeing anyone die from Roundup, do u understand the effect of longterm ingestion of toxic chemicals cause chronic illnesses eg cancer, find me someone who can definitively explain why someone developed a chronic disease, ie the effects are not traceable
If the banksters weren't starving people to death for profit, they wouldn't need to do this kind of shit, which is a way of making more profit at the expense of humanity.
Now fuck off and drink your Roundup.
I truly may be ignorant on this subject, but how did China get over a billion people(with limitations on birth rates) and their main industrial crop was this horribly non nutritive crop of non gmo rice. Shouldn't have all of the babies died either in the womb or not long after?
They import food like a motherfucker and they're destroying their environment. Long term, China has bigger problems than we do. Short term, they stand a chance of kicking our asses. Medium term, it's unknown.
All you assholes who believe it's not harmful, go have a drink. Just 4 oz every day of your life. Give it to your spouses and children too. Practice what you preach.
you are wong dere fella
every day monsanto saves lives and kicks the crap out of bully putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmc7lSr9UUk
I was under the impression that round-up absorption by the plants was one of the big issues with GMO and a major reason they aren't suitable for human consumption. That and the mold / fungal DNA in the plants that allow them to tolerate the round-up also having harmful affects on people.
Another little tid bit, corporate shills will always try to direct the conversation towards round-up not causing cancer in humans, that is a giant red herring. Adverse affects of round-up are on the intestinal bacteria we carry which in turn has harmful affects on our immune system and alters our ability to absorp / produce vitamins and minerals we need from the food we eat.
Here's the problem with GMO. We don't understand exactly why the genetic manipulation works, only that it exacerbates desirable characteristics. A person (and I use that term loosely) I know who does genetic research at Monsanto basically explained it to me like this. Think of a computer program broken down into raw machine code. Now, assume we don't know how to read the machine code very well, but we can execute the code. What Monsanto does is manipulate the machine code (genetic code) using various strategies to exacerbate desirable characteristics, like larger fruit. There are always unforseen collateral effects. This is unavoidable because we simply don't understand the nuances of all the genetic coding. Not even close. The result is a plant that may look nice, but has a boquet of side effects that take years to accumulate and are very difficult to prove in any sort of a clinical trial. Only after a great deal of the population has declined in health can we begin to understand the gravity of the situation, but by that time most food crops will be GMO cross pollinated, so Monsanto will have us by the balls. This was planned from the git-go.
YEARS to accumulate? GENERATIONS later problems can suddenly become visible.
All this is a result of the thinking, that mankind was NOT part of nature, but was unique and standing above everything else. In the most extreme form this Jewish materialism became visible in the form of Marxism: Stalin's preferred biologist Lyssenko even declared human DNA as useless artefacts! Since then Marxists claim, that genes do not matter for humans and the environment was the sole determination. Intelligence highly inheritable? No! We make the knowledge society fit for future with immigrants with an IQ of 80 and by throwing more billions into the eduction system, to turn every ape into an engineer while we hail it, that the most intelligent women refuse to have several children... Why should intelligent people have own children, if they can adopt some from around the world? Only Nazis are looking at the ancestors, to see the intelligence and health potential. But not the dumbed down pseudo-progressive masses marching into a bright future...
The sick chosenite-spirit has many forms. Either mankind will overcome it, or the human species will proove as evolutionary dead end - but sadly only after many other species will have fallen victim to this sick spirit from the desert.
It does make one wonder if this is some sort of a safety release valve to maintain a much longer term balance with our surroundings. Doesn't it strike people odd that as intelligence increases, the interest in reproduction decreases? Think about it for a moment. Your body is designed to do one thing and one thing only: reproduce. For something to change reproductive habits is about the most profound impact you can have on a species. That's assuming it is from within. If the change in reproduction rates is triggered by something without, like an external threat perhaps, then it means full on war against humans.
Humans don't understand the system well enough to start fucking about with it.
It's that simple.
Like asking a Neanderthal to rebuild a V8 with his flint tools.
It reminds me more about Neanderthals playing on a keyboard with a red knob. But this probably is unjust torwards Neanderthals, because they had not the capability to develop a technology that could destroy life on earth. That's only a product of our species. But with one problem: we tend to be extremely arrogant and greedy. We developed religions that claim that we were above everything else. We do not even accept that animals feel pain like we do. And such a species with such technological capabilities seems an extremely dangerous combination to me.