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Damn close Bitchez!
Mickey Mouse would win.
Mandatory testing pre-mandatory voting.
Drugs, genetics, IQ, or all of the above?
lol at 'voting'
.
Pretending we have a choice...
i think at this point i would take a cocksucking useless no-nothing piece of shit with a transvestite in the family... again, instead of kim kardashian....
OR,
Not another Bush or Clinton or any others slinking around. I would take a 35 year old Down Syndrome person that couldn't feed himself over a Bush or a Clinton.
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin
Until, people start voting from the rooftops...
Soooo.....when do we get the mandatory Fun Camps?
You can sign yourself into one today, if you like...
Sorry but I don't see a difference between a Down-Syndrome person and Bush/Clinton
Actually, my daughter has Down Syndrome and I am pretty sure you would like her way more. She is super nice to others, usually tells the truth and doesn't act violent toward people.
The other actual choices are not even that good. That is the real problem.
Even at that America is as good or better than it ever been except the loss of lots of its wild outdoor recreation places.
I hate going to the river I walked as a teen to find houses on both sides and you can no longer walk the bank.
"lol at 'voting'
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Pretending we have a choice..."
Well said. Oligarchs run everything and "voting" won't "deal" with them.
Chris Hedges - The Pathology of The Super RichWell, I voted up your post. Surely that vote counts for more than anything that will be achieved at a national election!
"Mandatory voting" is a CLASSIC play out of the dictator's handbook. It instantly give the air of legitimacy to everything the dictator does. "The people voted for me, so I must be good." Including, of course, complete control of the process by which votes are counted.
Brought to you by the same guy who gave you the Obamacare penalty (excuse me, tax) that you have to pay if you don't buy the healthcare he mandates.
It's a scam. No, more than that, it's a RED FLAG of how far down we've already gone that a US President would bring this up in an even semi-serious way.
The Think is strong with you.
Great and insightful comment.
I especially liked your succinct and pertinent "It's a scam." Good stuff.
The banksters need to repay us.
Soften the masses up with mandatory 'voting.'
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Hit the masses hard with mandatory vaccines, RFID chips, etc...
We have compulsory voting in Australia. The upside is that voting is not mid week but on a Saturday. It is actually a misnomer because it is only compulsory attendance at a polling place. Unlike many dictatorships all of the votes are not in the bag or pre-determined before the election. You are still free to cast an invalid vote if you don't like any of the candidates. Of course, we still use paper ballots which cannot be interferred with by hackers or back doors in the software. Not so in other nations.
+1 from another Australian
Mind you NSW just tried internet voting and, what to do you know, the system was found to be hackable after 66,000 votes were cast.
http://theconversation.com/thousands-of-nsw-election-online-votes-open-to-tampering-39164
I guess election day would have to be a public holiday in the US if attendance were mandatory.
It would force the special interests to explain to everyone why they deserve their boondoggles.
But as long as there is a Federal Reserve politicians don't need to balance the budget, so it would tend to impair the fiscal outlook without other measures.
Waste a perfectly good Saturday, voting?
Fuck.
That.
I've got far more meaningful shit to do...literally. Usually right after my morning cup of coffee. Sometimes during.
What are the consequences of not saying your prayers in the Demockratic Confessional Booth?
Fun camp
Elections have been rigged for a long, long time. Ballot boxes can be stuffed, and wouldn't you know it, but dead people can vote too!
I'm in my 50's and gave up voting about 5 years ago. I'm simply tired of broken promises (e.g., hope and change) lies (weapons of mass destruction) manipulation (general propoganda via the corporate owned media) and most of all... I'm tired of voting for predetermined "winners" who are willng figureheads/puppets for the oligarchs who run things in attempted annoynimity from behind the Wizard of Oz curtain. Participating in the current voting system is participating in fraud and adds legitimacy to a perpetually corrupt system. I want no part of it.
The following link sums it up nicely:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-02/guest-post-why-i-dont-vote
Giving up voting as a protest is as bad as messing up the ballot paper, or giving a vote to some protest party.
Take your right to withhold your vote more seriously and not because you don't think it makes a difference, broken promises etc etc
Withhold your vote because you no longer recognise the legitimacy of the entire regime. Opt out completely. That way you aren't protesting and are genuinely uninterested in the system.
It is said that Norse Gods disappeared because no one believed in them anymore and not because people protested against their actions.
Care not for anything except what is presently before you, the future will take care of itself.
I heard it was because they're busy watching Season 3 of Vikings.
Jihad
Yep. I've been noticing the same thing and commenting about it, you can see TBTP are losing legitimacy every day, so they're starting to make moves to shore that up.
The big part of this whole Bush / Clinton thing that I hate is the focus on dynasty. Happened in Iowa when Grassley did a PR event promoting his grandson (or some such) getting involved in politics. It was more about the Grassley name than about what the relative had to offer as a candidate.
When the perpetuation of the dynasty becomes more important than the qualifications of the person leading then we're no better off than a dictatorship.
Traditionally, the form of hereditary governance you're describing is generally headed by a king or emperor who was given to a country ostensibly by God himself by right of birth. (That's called divine right of kings.) As far as I know, only the Kims of North Korea have so far been able to pull off a hereditary dictatorship, and my bet is the current occupant won't see old age or die in his bed surrounded by loving family. He won't be followed by a son.
The country needs another bush or clinton as about as much as it needs another term of the fudgepacker...
That's not how US tyranny rolls. They'll give us a choice. They might even count the votes right. And we'll have a choice between Turd R and Turd D. Say it turns into Bush v Clinton again. I think the question regarding who wins is much more appropriate than when it was infamously asked: What difference does it make? They'll both follow a neocon agenda of more war, cronyism and more spending. The differences between them in terms of policy will be cosmetic. Jeb might treat his staff better, for instance.
I'll say it again: There is no need to rig the election when the candidates themselves are rigged. A choice between a Bush and a Clinton isn't a choice.
What color ink will we get to dip our thumb in I wonder?
I dont care what drugs youre on if you can pass the IQ test while youre high.
"Drugs, genetics, IQ, or all of the above?"
Common Core Voting classes
capacity for empathy
Red herring, not taking the bait to a false argument.
The real Rx to the election process -- or a huge step in the right direction -- is...
1. OPEN PRIMARIES!!! (No more backroom power brokers)
2. Spending Limits for all candidates. (Too much money corrupts everything)
You propose yet more laws to fix the problems caused by laws of men? You expect those with the power to create even more laws of men; those who have proven time and again, that they themselves cannot even follow the rules, to actually follow these additional laws you are proposing?
This is sarcasm, right?
Sweet now morons like Rockwell will vote!
Would be better than what we have had sice ghb. Some tits and ass and porn would go along with legalized drugs Perfect
What's the difference?
Use your brain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBCUCJNWimo
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.jobs-review.com
Who's Winter?
Does renting out your mama by the hour come with a dental plan?
Yeah but it won't actually cover anything, because the deductibles will $5000. Probably has to cover maternity care thought.
Big fake plastic titties can't be any worse than a corrupt incompetent divisive arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological lying fudgepacker. At the very least the plastic tits will be a U.S. citizen.
Big fake plastic titties can't be any worse than a corrupt incompetent divisive arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological lying fudgepacker. At the very least the plastic tits will be a U.S. citizen.
No, it really can't get any worse.
I appreciate your optimism...but want to bet?
Oh it is going to get worse. But not because we make everyone vote. It is going to happen regardless.
Agree voting doesn't make a difference since in the USA we have only one party. I image there is only one party in the UK, Canada & Australia too. EU has been taken over by Technocrats of some kind so same thing.
But we should make a list of things we consider valuable in our government & banking to watch over them. Like small banks.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USNUM (total Banks, steady decline since 1985, Call it a COUP)
1) Small Banks & Number of Businesses
2) Small Businesses and Total Businesses
3) Number of Savers and Amount of Personal Savings
4) Number of Pensions and Amount of Retirement Funds
5) Number of Americans with Equity in Housing, Savings, Retirement, Pensions
6) Number of Former Prisoners, Former Felons, Criminals
7) Number of Private Prisons, Total Contract Value of Private Prisons, Number of Prisoners in Private, State, Federal Prison, Quotas for Private Prisons
8) Americans put in Jail for Debt, Debt to the Court, Debt from Credit Cards
9) Number of Properties Seized under Eminent Domain that were homes, Ranches, Farms, commercial businesses
10) Number of Commercial Businesses that went out of Business due to Civil Court Ruling, Agriculture, Pharmaceutical, Ecological, Property Rights
11) Who is getting the Property Rights, Who is using the courts to enforce property rights, why don't Individuals secure property rights as much these days, which property rights are called public and for public good as technology provides new opportunities
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Things can always get worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM
FEMA "camping" coming soon, and to be hosted by the ReadyReserve.
Watch the agitprop "American Sniper" as a documentary of what the DC US did to Iraq, and as a documentary of what they are going to do to the American country, and people.
The banksters need to repay us.
Chris Kyle was not an American. He was a murderous mercenary, and propaganda tool of Zion.
Could she be worse than Hillary or Jeb? At least she responds to her "public." She understands marketing and tries to respond to what people want. These fuckers just lie and do as they please. Erase hard drives. Whatever.
She, Kardashian, [doesn't] understand marketing & [actually only] responds to what her ILLUMINATI HANDLERS want... like when to shave her pussy & take pictures...
So how does that make her any different than Hillary or Jeb [besides the 'fetish' boner factor]?
~~~EDIT~~~
I can't fucking believe I got downvoted 4 that whilst MsCreant is getting UPVOTED for being a fucking Kim Kardashian sychophant
New LOW ZH... I'm OVER & OUT...
Sincerely,
francis_sawyer
No one likes a whiner
I am not literally in favor of K.K. for president. I am insulting the rest of the so called bought and paid for politicians.
... the rest of the
bought and paid-for so-called politicians.
After all, the U$A has the finest government money can buy.
Good proofredering. Twas my intent.
Let's just call them what they are. Welfare queens. If not for being in the employ of the violent criminal monopoly, they would servce no other productive purpose to society.
Hillary scares me. Any person who can say the words "Obliterate Iran" when running for the presidency or "Business does not create jobs" is not for any country. When someone casually speaks about bombing a country, with innocent men, women and children living there they are not representing what I consider sanity, common sense or compassion.
If she would do that to Iran or any other country she did not like, she would do that to Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, Chicago and who knows where else.
You are right, Kardashian has the necessary qualifications and can't be worse than the GOTUS, golfer in charge or teleprompter in chief. Another Bush? no thank you.
Clinton, go and retire, you did enough damage,
Hillary's job IS to scare you.
She is merely a player upon the Despair, Divide, Distract, and Divert stage at Zion's plunder, oppression, and empire theater.
"Don't believe the hype. It's Zion."
The banksters need to repay us.
The hens must leave our pond.
If it actually happened she wouldnt run shit anyways. Dick Cheney and Kagan and Nuland and all those other fucks would still run the show.
The newly established "WhiteHouse DE-briefing room" is trending nicely.
Can they erase the raising radiation readings?
rising, not raising
You can hit the edit button and erase your post or edit it unless someone answers you. Unlike Fuck-U-shima radiation.
Fukoshima has got to be pretty bad because they are keeping it on the down low.
Maybe Kim Kardashian would be a little less eager to massacre entire families on the other side of the world?
Maybe she'd agree to it for the photo op just like the other serial killers.
At least she doesn't need artificial lubricant like the Hildebeast.
Actually, she's WILL's beast.
The WILLdebeast.
If people were smart they would give politicians and government workers EBT cards nd send them to their new apartments which will be paid for and tell them to stay at home.
We'll save so much money and maybe get liberty back, maybe the place will bloom with small business again.
I know I am dreaming.
Which part is unintended?
How would Kim Kardashian get on the ballot? A democrat or republican would still win.
I'd write-in-vote for Homer Jay Simpson
Nah, vote for Kodos!
They already have mandatory "volunteer" experiences for kids in junior high and high school.
Laying more of the groundwork I'd say. Next, no paper/coin currency and bail-in's.
Be "patriotic" or pay the consequences with your wallet and/or your life.
Amurika!
i've dreamt of groups forming and either blocking voting stations, which of course would result in arrests and chaos, or organized groups actually voting...but writing F***You on the ballot. as well the groups would keep track of the number of people that actually enter the polling station and mark how that jibes with the official number of votes. also ask for foreign observers.
Well the whole "we'll concentrate in the corn states and only visit X, Y, and Z if something comes up" goes out the window and even more resources are spent on the BoobTubez.
You can force people to the polls but you can't force them to vote.
Just screw up the ballot so it won't be counted.
You can lead a whore to culture
but you cannot make her think.
Hildabeast ???? + 100
Pointless to have mandatory voting when the outcome is predetermined anyway. Why participate in a farce? I'd rather scrape soap scum from my shower walls.
Miffed
That is scum you can get rid of. These so called pols, not so much.
Well, it is possible but the method is messier and it seems to be applied when all is for lost. Scraping soap scum certainly seems preferable to me.
I guess we humans need to grasp to the end our dwindling comforts hoping the vision of the future just can't be true. Then, when learned differently, and right the wrongs of past, we die and our progeny are doomed to the same path, not believing our tales and lacking the experience. The cycle repeats when the parasitic roaches see their opportunity once again and nibble slowly at the the producers once again. So pointless and such a waste of time and resources.
If there is a Devine Presence, I don't understand how he can keep from flushing the whole thing down the crapper in disgust. But I tend to lack patience.
Miffed
Start with some Referendums that limit the power of Politicians and Bankers.
Work in progress for Averting War.
- I guess I just have one main idea so far
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- Teeth's War Responsiblitity Resolution -
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World War Resolution from People to the Funders of War, Weapon Funders, Our US & EU Leaders (Congress & Parliament), Central Bankers, Diplomats, Negotiators, State Department Executives, and those that take Political Contributions from War Profiteers:
- Pass Legislation to Make State Leaders, Diplomats, and Banking Executives & their Families stay outside of Bomb Shelters, Underground Bunkers, and lose their seats as Leaders or Private Banking Executives... in the Event of Massive Invasion, Massive European War or Nuclear War.
- Banking is power, Secret Banking is power, Shadow Banking is power, Foreign Investors are power, we all know this, and we know Political Figures have a Hidden Agenda they take from the Very Wealthy & Powerful
This is the only way to make big money people Responsible for going to war.
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- Teeth's War Responsiblitity Resolution -
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wouldnt matter or change anything
Mandatory voting would be a great relief to the dead. . . who never seem to take an election off.
I am for mandatory voting, if every president is limited to one term.
Still dont think it would change much if anything . . . banks will still run the show and pimp the country out.
I think you're right. I asked 20 friends, that if a Republican were nominated who would they like to be President ... not a single one said Jeb Bush
The O'Malley guy from MD has said enough of political royalty. I'd vot for him but he is too super-liberal.
He has the right idea, though.
KK a likely winner and definitely an improvement. Drop trow, not bombs.
Straw men make terrible soldiers.
Pay attention pilgrams, Hillery, will probably get the nod,due to gender...
Same as Barack, for race...concentrated vote!
Dumber than dirt is an improvement over one who is committed to jusr about everything wrong.
Many are spared the choice between the two.
Mandatory voting would simply ensure that everyone cast a vote for one of their pre-approved, pre-purchased candidates. As the chosen "leaders" are always nothing more than two sides of the same coin, it hardly matters whether 100% of the population votes or not. The only difference it ultimately makes is whose name the corporate overlords write on the check they give as a "campaign contribution." It would, however, make it all the more embarrasing if voting was made mandatory and the voter participation rate still continued to fall. Getting people worked up about the idea of every knuckle-dragging mouth breather out there voting is nothing more than a distraction from the real problem of how pitiful our options are and how little those precious votes actually matter. The same is true of the hysterics over "voter fraud." To hear some politicians talk about it, you would think the problem was both rampant and actually of any real consequence.
I've started asking around, in a very friendly way, who is planning to vote for the hilarious clit, you know,, that fucking hag that fell out of a camels cunt.
I'm also buying cyanide in vast quantities and fully intend to use every fucking drop on these moronic sub human pieces of shite before they can get to ballot box
Boss Tweed once said, "I don't care who does the voting as long as I get to do the nominating!"
You don't have to control the answers if you control the questions. For example one northern European country had a referendum: Do you want to start phasing out nuclear power now or in 10 years' time? A majority voted for the later option, so a decade later they started shutting down nuclear plants because "the people said so".
They are silly, Diebold and Carl Rove decide the elections.
Not voting is one of the strongest messages of disapproval that one can send to the regime. Apartheid in South Africa when voter turnout reached 7%. Similarly we need to bring down our DemoPublican regime by not voting in national elections and voting for third-party candidates at the local and state levels, and for selected Congressional elections.
Until there is a none of the above option on the ballot, and decent third party ballot access, nobody should support compulsory voting.
If you're disatisfied with the candidates and or parties, you can spoil your ballot simply by checking off every single box on the ballot. That sends a much stronger message one is not happy with the choices rather than not showing up at all.
Few Americans I know believe that politicians are honorable. Or that anything in DC is honorable or honest except the soldiers and analysts stationed there.
I voted twice in my life.
The first time I was young and innocent ad voted for Reagan.
The second time I asked myself why I needed to go through this bullshit.
Did they think I had changed my mind and become some fucking cock sucking socialist or something.
Decided to give it some thought and the answer hit me.
Needed to vote for someone, one time and one time only, basically pledge my vote for the rest of my life.
looked at the candidates.
Only one stood out way above all the rest, someone who would 100 % look after me and my family and interests and would never shirk from that.
One who would still be there as long as I lived, and would spend whatever time was necessary to ensure the things I cared about got taken care of.
Yes I voted for myself, didn't even wait until polling day and didn't even waste time with a fucking bit a of paper to play naughts and crosses on. Decided there and ten and made it permanent .
So now the fucking cock squatting fucking faggot Kenyan bath house trawling cock sucker and his fucking crony corrupt crews don't have to concern themselves.
Sometimes these fucking retarded clowns actually believe in the hustings they can get me to change my mind and vote for them instead of myself.
My vote is cast to the day I die.
And nothing will change that now.
LOL. Mandatory voting? J. Stalin said "It is not who votes that counts but who counts the votes." The system is irrepairably broken. The typical reaction? "Honey, grab me another beer!"
two wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner
Governments have gotten so corrupt and people have gotten so ignorant and apathetic.
The gullible, the most politically naive, and the ignorant have the vote.
America will be more in danger when illegal aliens can vote.
Absolute fools will be elected.
93% African-American vote for Obama, down 2 percentage points from 2008, although 96% of black women supported him.
64% of voters for Obama had no high school diploma.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/10-amazing-demogr...
The US has voluntary voting, and manages to consistently elect idiot sock puppets into public office. Australia has manadory voting and manages to consistently elect idiot sock puppets into office.
Voluntary voting: 40% of the adult population chooses which TPTB-vetted candidate gets to be puppet for the next 4 years.
Mandatory voting: 92% of the adult population chooses which TPTB-vetted candidate gets to be puppet for the next 4 years.
Other than longer queues at polling stations, I'm struggling to see how it would change anything.
In the last election only 57.5% of registered voters voted. This sends a pretty strong message in itself. Americans are tired of the broken electoral system. The 2016 elections are predicted to have even lower voter turnout. Let's see how low we can get it. Under 50% would be amazing.
This Tyler Durden is as big as the Pacific Ocean and, 1/4" deep.
Less dangerous choice than the existing runners for president!! Will need the oval office to fit that arse in.
Add in a mandatory prison sentence and a big fine.Fill'r up boys.The police state needs the dividend in their pension plans from the private prison system.Jusges do your work.Throw them in with all the pot smokers.
Kim will come right after cankle Hillary. She has to get her die-nasty going first. Still hundreds and hundreds of millions to fleece from foreign "investors".
When the populace is taken in total, voting is "a measure of the effectiveness of the propaganda". Polls are just an earlier form of the same thing. The object is to get the polls to show what you want before you take the vote.
Knowing that, why "mandatory voting"? Well, there are several kinds of voters: 1) Informed; 2) Dis-Informed; 3) Clueless; 4) Careless
Only the "informed" votes represent democracy. All the other votes represent manipulation. So, if you're running a system through manipulation, you must dilute the (1)s in deference to all others which are most susceptible to propaganda.
The best way to do that? Demand that the non (1)s all vote, swamping the minority (1)s.
Democracy. What a joke!
Mmmmmmmmmm Mandatory Voting...
I have one policy in voting "vote for the one the mainstream parties hate the most"!
If they hate them the probability increases that the person you voted for may actually be good for you.
Choosing not to vote is a choice. It sends the message that I do not approve and withhold my consent. Not voting is a legitmate option and the government should not have the power to take that option away.
Imagine when mandatory voting with guns, rope, and guillotines becomes necessary.
There is mandatory voting already, to get legislation it is mandatory that lobbyists vote with their dollars.
in india,you have the option to vote for none of the above.if this wins then a new election takes place. different people are then selected. again with the same option none of the above.