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Germanwings Co-Pilot Head Been Treated For "Suicidal Tendencies" In The Past

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The horrible events of last week just go from bad to worse, if that is possible, as investigators dig further into the disturbed past of murderous co-pilot Andreas Lubitz and find more problems, as Reuters reports:

  • GERMANWINGS CO-PILOT HAD BEEN IN TREATMENT FOR SUICIDAL TENDENCIES IN THE PAST

Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. While careful to note that recent treatments suggested no suicidal tendency, this merely raises questions about historical screening and ongoing monitoring among a group of people who are ultimately responsible for the lives of many others... especially after finding "a small mountain of anti-depressants" in his apartment.

Headlines (via Bloomberg)

  • *PROSECUTORS: TREATMENT OF CO-PILOT INCLUDED SUICIDAL TENDENCIES
  • *PROSECUTORS: SUICIDAL TENDENCIES TREATMENT WAS SOME YEARS AGO
  • *PROSECUTORS: RECENT TREATMENT DIDN'T INDICATE SUICIDAL TENDENCY

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As IBTimes reports,

The 27-year-old co-pilot Andreas Lubitz believed to have deliberately crashed Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 plane, killing 149 passengers, trawled gay porn websites and sites relating to suicide, investigators have revealed.

 

He also feared losing his eyesight and was suffering from depression.

 

A police source in Dusseldorf revealed: "We have a team disassembling his computer, and that of his girlfriend, because the information that we received was that he trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions."

 

The reports emerged after police started examining documents and a computer from his flat in Dusseldorf – the same one where ripped-up sick notes were discovered in the rubbish.

 

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Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation.

 

It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun.

 

A "small mountain" of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz's apartment.

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Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:33 | 5941498 Fun Facts
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Big difference between suicide and mass murder.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:37 | 5941519 negative rates
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Looks like he went off his meds, the doc won't like that.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:40 | 5941532 nuclearsquid
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Despite the fact that it is part of our government, and one of the biggest potential threats to our future liberty, the military really does do some things quite well.  All people involved in the installation, maintenance, watchstanding, and launch of nuclear missiles are required to participate in the 'Personnel Reliability Program.'

This whoo-hah would have been flagged years ago.  If airlines had one as well, this wouldn't be a story.

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:44 | 5941544 Publicus
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Antidepressants are known to cause mass killings. In fact, almost all mass killings by seemingly ordinary people are due to antidepressants.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:45 | 5941551 jefferson32
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Official story main inconsistencies so far:
- 8 min between captain leaving cockpit (descent initiated) and crash, yet jets have time to scramble (and story tentatively censored)
- French prosecutor repeatedly complains of delays before receiving blackbox recordings from BEA
- Copilot seemingly happy about his job, pals at flightclub disbelieve official account
- Contradiction between prosecutor's manual door lock account (not there being any) and later media reports that say the copilot was even "heard" on the recording manually locking the door
- Stela ready in 3 languages and erected 24 hours later at crash site
- Story of other black box found but memory chip missing, "ejected" during crash
- It is impossible that the copilot could have been heard normally breathing on the recording (pilot headset engages when spoken into the microphone)
- A320 had "minor maintenance" on day before crash according to prosecutor (not an inconsistency per say but worth mentioning)
- Wtf FBI assistance request
- And see this (in French)

Plausible hypothesis: A320 remote controlled (i.e. programmed) into the ground using the anti-hijack system, EW jets scramble plane's communications with ground, blackbox voice recordings edited by BEA/whoever else (fits with the "transition" described by prosecutor from normal conversation to suddenly copilot laconic, monosyllabic), i.e. pilots were both conscious and desperately trying to mayday as their unresponsive plane dove against the mountain.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:48 | 5941565 Stackers
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Makes me wonder how he got his airworthiness medicals approved. In the US any use of psychotropic drugs is grounds for automatic denial in most cases. Airline pilot medicals are every 6 months and intensive and comprehensive to say the least.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:52 | 5941584 BaBaBouy
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""GERMANWINGS CO-PILOT HAD BEEN IN TREATMENT FOR SUICIDAL TENDENCIES IN THE PAST""

HEY, I Gotta An Idea, Lets Make Him A Pilot Of A Large Passenger Jet.?.

WOW... Politically Correct Motherfucker Idiots???

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:57 | 5941601 Divine Wind
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"the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash"

 

FOUR?

Wow. I thought it was bad enough that Tyler was seeing two.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:14 | 5941696 Monetas
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We .... are .... Tyler's therapy !

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:28 | 5941757 fx
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Isn't it funny how every few hours new, ever more 'damning' "evidence" is "found" that underpins the psycho-co-pilote narrative? All sorts of items pop up suddenly - and as disturbing, they are all immediately 'leaked' to the media to ensure that said picture gets virtually hammered into the public's heads without even considering any alternative scenarios. Stunning, indeed.

Imho they already overdo it here with their so-called evidence. Notice that all this stuff that they "find" now, can be easily made-up and fabricated. In other news, the second flight data recorder is still missing while the memory card of the first one mysteriously disappeared. And the first reported emrgency-call from the cockpit now all of a sudden has never happened...

This thing smells - and a lot...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:34 | 5941790 NidStyles
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This just confirms it to me that this was to take out one of the passengers. Probably the NSA contractor that has no unblurred photos anywhere.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:00 | 5941912 Ignorance is death
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Yeah its almost like finding a passport of a terroris next to the collapsed WTC. It really show how idiotic they think we are. Then again, it seems they are right...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 20:46 | 5942975 Paveway IV
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"...It really show how idiotic they think we are. Then again, it seems they are right..."

Stick with what works. Screw eye-witness accounts - they don't speak english. More importantly: what Pr0n web sites did the co-pilot visit?

Germanwings A320 plane crash: 'Explosion and smoke' before Airbus plunged into French Alps

Then there's this entirely unrelated incident in a Lufthansa A-320 reg. #D-AIDP from three months ago (vs. this #D-AIPX crash), curiously also flying from Spain to Germany.

Another Airbus incident not instructed descent through frozen angle sensors cause loss of altitude of 31,000 ft to 27,000 ft (in German)

See if you see the obvious gay, suicidal-homicidal pilot twist: Nine minutes after takeoff from a rainy Spanish runway, both Angle of Attack sensors on the A-320 froze at 4.2° and 4.6° of nose-up indication unbeknownst to the pilots. The first officer disengaged the confused autopilot and attempted to slightly lower the nose, resulting in a sustained 4000 ft/min descent at a nose-down ange of -3.5° (vs. D-AIXP's 3,400 ft/min descent). After pulling the stick as far back as possible, the pilot was able to get the aircraft back in level flight. They couldn't engage the autopilot again and ended up restarting the flight control computers, which didn't help as the AoA sensors were still frozen. They had to manually pull back on the stick 50% of the maximum in order to continue to maintain level flight. After about 40 minutes of investigation, the airline mechanics (on the ground) figured that the AoA indicators might be frozen. Turning off the #2 Air Data Reference unit (to ignore the frozen sensors) finally allowed the pilots to maintain level flight without holding the stick half-way back. The flight eventually landed safely an hour later.

The New York Times either fabricated the 'French Military Official' Cockpit Voice Recorder story or their source lied to them. These are supposedly the aviation industry reporters. They report that ridiculous story as fact, and never even bothered to see if there was anything similar for an A-320? Not only was there a damn suspiciously similar incident, but it happened on a LUFTHANSA A-320 a few months ago and it happened on a SPAIN TO GERMANY FLIGHT.

Holy crap! Doesn't the New York Times have the internet yet?? Maybe their reporters are restricted to Facebook-only fact-checking to verify their made-up undisclosed sources.

The title for this post is accurate: Any pilots flying Lufthansa A-320's with unreliable AoA sensors DO HAVE suicidal tendencies.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:18 | 5942995 jerry_theking_lawler
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or conviently in a getaway car....

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:21 | 5941726 BLOTTO
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A forward-opening hinge door separates the cockpit from the passenger compartment. It has threeelectric locking strikes, controlled by the flight crew. In normal conditions, when the door is closed,they remain locked. When there is a request to enter the cockpit, the flight crew can authorize entryby unlocking the door, that remains closed until it is pushed open.

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When the flight crew does not respond to requests for entry, the door can also be unlocked bythe cabin crew, by entering a two to seven-digit code (programmed by the airline) on the keypad,installed on the lateral side of the Forward Attendant Panel (FAP).The door is bulletproof and fully compliant with rapid decompression requirements.A mechanical override enables the flight crew to open the door from the cockpit side.A deadbolt is installed at the level of the center latch area of the cockpit door. This deadbolt bolts thedoor from the cockpit side, in the event that more than one locking latch strike fails, or in the case ofa total CLS failure

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/260119041/a320-Operating-Manual-Cockpit-Door#s...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:30 | 5942512 Paveway IV
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That's the manual WSJ used in their BS article to plant the narrative. It's for a Royal Jordanian A320, NOT a Lufthansa A320.

The flight deck door is airline equipment, not Airbus equipment. There is no deadbolt on the inside of the Lufthansa doors according to Lufthansa pilots and there is no way (switch, circuit-breaker, etc.) to disable the lock or lock the pilot out of the flight deck. His code overrides everything. That's by design - they wanted to make sure a hijacker couldn't lock the pilot out. "But what if..." is all bullshit - Lufthansa pilots cannot be locked out of their flight deck, period. Royal Jordanian A320 pilots presumably can.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:35 | 5942235 juantrades
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Was definitely something wrong with the guy.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:20 | 5942737 tony wilson and...
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based on what facts?

i just released a statement that your a retard  with homo erotic inclination.

it is true cos you read it

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:32 | 5941775 WillyGroper
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like afwon?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:55 | 5941595 GMadScientist
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Capitalism.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:50 | 5941575 Haus-Targaryen
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Or there was a nut at the controls who hated humanity and wanted to kill a plane full of people. 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:44 | 5941829 glenlloyd
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I still wonder 1) who was on that flight and 2) what was in the cargo hold?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:13 | 5941949 JimmyRainbow
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add the first night at crash site without guards,

add a nearly identical accident of a A320 in november which could only be stopped by switching off the computer

(2 sensosors broken, one working and computer had chosen the wrong data of the 2 sensors as correct because they had the same (wrong) value, that lead to unstoppable descent)

According to transcripts the pilot said he was not to the toilet that morning. Kinda weird conversation, it needs to be explained to leave the cockpit in all detail?

i t does not have to be remote control.

but i cannot believe in a 27 year old to do such a thing out of nothing.

the hotel in which the crew where should be checked, me thinks there was an event there.

the pilot fucked him and called him not manly enough or whatever, he had a relationship with a stewardess and the pilot fucked here next room all night long, something else is missing here

does not have to be the fucking thing, but something disturbing must have happened before.

sexual identity problem was my first thought while looking at his facebook leftovers.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:56 | 5942333 walküre
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perfect patsy to cover up the technical problems plaguing every of the 6,000 flying and operating A320s...

NEVER FLYING THAT PLANE AGAIN

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:25 | 5941984 vikingo
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Take a look at this picture.

http://www.google.cl/imgres?imgurl=http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gcfXpddAW4w/0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://article.wn.com/view/2015/03/24/Aftermath_of_the_tragic_Germanwings_crash/&h=360&w=480&tbnid=NJ97AC26-wqYLM:&zoom=1&docid=TftxgF5bip_pvM&itg=1&ei=k2QZVfrMB4uigwT-goSgDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CKIBEDMoXTBdOMgB

 

Question:

Why is there no sliding mark on the ground? vegetation intact.

The nose/cockpit is almost intact?

For me it look like the airlainer explode before it hit the ground!

 

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:45 | 5942057 hibou-Owl
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Pictures on the news showed much steeper valley that it crashed into, don't know if this is the same crash

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:38 | 5942559 Paveway IV
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It's not - it's the Aug. 2013 crash of a UPS jet in Alabama.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:00 | 5942126 OldPhart
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Why would a German Airline have "Worldwide Services" emblazoned on their fuselage?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 19:43 | 5943881 Razor_Edge
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That picture is not of a GermanWings aircraft. It has a slogan on the fuselage saying "Worldwide Services, synchronising the world", which is a slogan of UPS. If i'm not very much mistaken, that picture is of UPS flight 1453 which crashed in Birmingham Al August 14th 2013  http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130814-0

Nice try, but no cigar!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:54 | 5942102 OldPhart
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Now we're being told that the flight recorder may never be found.

"Meanwhile a senior Lufthansa manager has said that he is doubtful that the flight data recorder will ever be found."  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11503791/Germanwings-crash-co-pilot-Andreas-Lubitz-body-parts-found.html

Not sure if that is different from the one that had teh sounds of the people screaming or the pilot hammering at the door.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:58 | 5942343 walküre
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what happened to the PINGS??

PINGS were supposed to help locate the leftovers of MH370 UP TO 30 DAYS and THOUSANDS of feet below the ocean surface...

PING, PING, PING?????

Black box disintegrated during this crash but not during the shootdown of MH 17??????

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:40 | 5943097 daveO
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Same take down method as Flight 370 (maybe also MH-17 and Air Asia QZ8501), last year. Same 'crazy pilot' excuse. 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:47 | 5941562 BlindMonkey
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Can't forget about the gay angle either. That's a big marker for a fucked up person.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:11 | 5942016 flapdoodle
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The "gay angle" is pure MSM misdirection, just like the other story that the copilot's girlfriend is pregnant.

Until we know what is really on the flight manifest - passengers and cargo, we won't really know.

If there really was a Spanish cybersecurity team onboard investigating Crypto AG, that might be the real reason. The Booz Allen Hamilton employee is also a possibility, although a single target seems a stretch as a trigger by the TPTB to take out and entire aircraft.

The tell that there is something suspicious is the "missing memory" on the flight recorder. This all smells of coverup just like MH17.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:38 | 5942556 PTR
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Too bad Soros wasn't on that flight.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:42 | 5943107 daveO
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If that one person is valuable enough;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:22 | 5941977 jal
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How much and how long does it take to be a pilot?

Maybe his lender was on the plane?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:11 | 5942168 juantrades
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Not long enough apparently

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:51 | 5941853 Kirk2NCC1701
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But, but... "He was living his dream", being a Lufthansa pilot.

I don't buy the "Depression/Suicide" story. This was mass-murder, which makes it more of a MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE story...

And a viable cover a very specific murder (of the Booz Allen employee Yvonne Selke* and her daughter Emily being on this flight), as I pointed out last Friday**. What, the NSA can bug Merkel's cellphone, but the CIA can't put a "pile of pills" in the guy's apt? Gimme a break!

* www.boozallen.com/media-center/press-releases/2015/03/booz-allen-germanw...
** Fri, 03/27/2015 - 12:35 | 5934070 Kirk2NCC1701
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-27/serious-depressive-episode-may-...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:46 | 5943132 daveO
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Right. Everybody's heard about Marilyn Monroe, but not this lady;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen#Conspiracy_theory_about_h...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:46 | 5942591 Icelandicsaga.....
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MOst pilots USED to be former military pilots.. where the NUTS . with the exception of John gollum McCain . are weeded out . . now many come o0ut of flight schools.. where training and culling does not really exist . .the airlines.. at least US airlines have a psch evaluation ever few years or after some incident .. I guess Lufthansa the parent company does not do that or not very often .. one thing the military does do well is train pilots..

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:42 | 5941538 NoDebt
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"A "small mountain" of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz's apartment."

A SMALL MOUNTAIN of antidepressants?  Is that intended to be a joke?  No way somebody actually said that in this situation.

(As a side note- MANY ZH'ers called this antidepressant thing to a tee last week.)

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:10 | 5941662 DeadFred
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I wonder if they'll dust the pill jars to see if his fingerprints are on any of them? I thought not. The MO is the real problem. Who takes a hundred extra souls with them when they say goodbye to a world that doesn't appreciate who they find attractive? Who takes them slowly to their deaths while silently and calmly watching the mountains approach? Human beings can do some twisted things but this one doesn't fit the known pattern.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:46 | 5941844 kaiserhoff
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Several things still bug me.  The plane FLEW INTO THE GROUND.   Pilots do commit suicide, usually in small planes, and in a tail spin.  I fly low and slow, but nothing about this smells right.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:03 | 5942654 Paveway IV
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Come on, kaiserhoff - you sound like a conspiracy nut. Trust the press.

What's suspicious about enroute controllers assigning the flight to 38,000 ft. and apparently not noticing it's subsequent descent into a mountain? There's nothing unusual at all about not getting a single word about the ATC transcripts or lost communications, but apparently getting all channels of the destroyed aircraft's CVR timed, transcribed, and interpreted by the BEA within 24 hours and inexplicably passed on to French prosecutors who apparently immediately leaked them to the press. Plus the 'ejecting FDR cartridge' when no model has such a thing. Seems reasonable to me.

This is nothing more than a depressed, suicidal trannie-porn mass murderer. I'm sure he has Iranian roots as well. Case closed.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:45 | 5942849 Paveway IV
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BTW, when the NYT was accused of fabricating or embellishing the CVR details according to their 'unnamed French military official', they denied it and stand by their story. They refuse to name this mystery source to protect their identity - a source who either flat out lied to them or does not exist.

The NYT's new standard for credibility is now: "Because we said so - trust us." It seems they get busted making shit up on major stories about every couple of months now. It's not even news when they lie.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:44 | 5942037 Lea
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Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:01 | 5942358 walküre
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conveniently placed there the day/ night before the "official" story broke...

there was supposed to be a roommate?

neither friends nor family had any idea but the co-pilot was supposedly seeing FOUR shrinks?????

haha, what a joke this is becoming

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:38 | 5941520 ACP
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Murder suicide.

We should obviously ban all planes to prevent this from happening ever again.

So is the company changing its name to "Angel Wings"?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:45 | 5941554 jay28elle
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But it seems like it did it in a most compassionate manner by not nose-diving the jet and freaking everyone out.  A nice slow decent allowed the passengers to go about things without having to panic until the very last moment, from what I understand.  Very considerate of the co-pilot, imo.

 

/sarc off

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:50 | 5941576 negative rates
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Yeah they all had plenty of time to open the door and parashoot out if they thought a problem existed. 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:15 | 5941953 jay28elle
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Oh, damn, another thing to sue the airlines (and everyone else) over is not having parashoots readily available and not having a proper warning system.  Parashoots saves lives.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:02 | 5942367 walküre
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yes and he was also careful enough to not crash the plane into a largely populated area or a nuclear power station.... what a guy!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:07 | 5941646 rubiconsolutions
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There's only one solution - more government involvement in our lives. Airlines should be nationalized and brought under the direct control of government so that pilots can be monitored and subjected to routine testing for mental illness. This has nothing, nothing to do with the efficacy of psychotropic medications because government ensures their safety before being released to the general public. I for one would feel much safer if government would take control of all travel - air and ground. 

 

 

yeah...../sarc

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:05 | 5942938 layman_please
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i have a better idea, lets create a private monopoly with secret shareholders to take care of that matter. i just can't recall where have i seen something like that before? what could go wrong, right?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:52 | 5941880 TomJoad
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Just one Pepsi

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:21 | 5941970 YMHC
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And they wouldn't give it to him.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:42 | 5942047 Perimetr
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Would it be possible to get a blind, suicidal pilot for Air Force 1?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:34 | 5941506 NoDebt
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Europe: TWO people in the cockpit at all times.  In the US even maintenance crews aren't allowed in the cockpit except in pairs.

This guy wouldn't have been cleared to fly a shipment of rubber dog crap out of Hong Kong if he was working for a US carrier.

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:38 | 5941527 ZeroPower
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Queue the hippy leftists in europe yelling over the fact that you're BEING RAYCISS, and a homophobe!11

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:43 | 5941548 serotonindumptruck
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Nice Top Gun reference.

Sort of a double entendre with that movie having clear homosexual themes.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:50 | 5941873 thatthingcanfly
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While parts of Top Gun were definitely silly, there were no homosexual themes in it.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:28 | 5941993 DJ Happy Ending
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Forget your /sarc tag?

Per Quentin Tarantino:

http://youtu.be/BNPVRh0ngUo

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:42 | 5942046 thatthingcanfly
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Now THERE is a reliable source!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:48 | 5941564 Monetas
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Everyone knows .... rubber dog crap and human vomit .... are shipped in containers .... this is a sophisticated market/current events website, No Debt !

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:49 | 5941570 NoDebt
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Not while the west coast ports were shut down.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:08 | 5941648 Monetas
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Touche .... I didn't think of the .... Berlin Airlift .... angle ! LOL

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:55 | 5941596 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Germans aren't known for their slack standards, but yeah, I'd prefer my pilots to be without psychotropic drugs. The suicide angle still bothers me because when the accident was first reported, President Hollande announced "there were no survivors" before the rescue teams even got there. As well there were eyewitness accounts of fighter jets following the plane until it crashed. Further an Italian fighter jet issued a mayday near the area where the plane started its descent. If you want to believe it, the Airbuses also had remote fly by wire still engaged (Boeing took theirs off after 9/11). Why didn't air traffic control raise an alert far earlier than they did? Was that why the jets were tailing them? As for the gay porn, not sure what that added to the picture, except to suggest that if we celebrate gays more then they won't be suicidal? What other conclusions are we being led to? Further agreement to more Big Brother like monitoring? 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:47 | 5941846 thatthingcanfly
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Exactly No Debt.

I went through Navy/Marine Corps pilot training in 1998-1999. They make it hard for a reason. It was a year and a half long psych eval. The attrition rate was 25%. NO WAY would this dude have made it through Primary, let alone Advanced.

That's what strikes me as so different from military vs. civilian pilot training programs. These civil instruction schools have bills to pay, one supposes, and so they'll wing anybody who can pay the tuition. I hope I'm wrong about that. But it's the impression we all had when we encountered civilian pilots at small airfields and such. As a 22 year old nugget right out of training, I knew more about aviation than some civil pilots who had decades of experience.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:04 | 5942390 walküre
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He wouldn't have been cleared to fly in Europe either if this "official" profiling was legitimate.

Airbus is TOAST. Their planes are death traps.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:34 | 5941507 -.-
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"Spanish Bombs"

-The Clash

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:35 | 5941511 Monetas
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The leftist dream .... that bad people can be .... rehabilitated .... continues to be a death tax .... on good people !

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:59 | 5941605 GMadScientist
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Because this was about being "PC" and not about the duckets?! LOL

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:40 | 5941533 Infinite QE
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Treated in Tel Aviv.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:42 | 5941542 Monetas
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Theory # 2 .... socialist scum .... made him feel guilty .... about his German good looks .... and talent .... and drove him to suicide .... life isn't fair !

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:43 | 5941546 izzee
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if this guy were not German and not White, nobody would be looking for "excuses"

The TERROIST flew the fully loaded plane into the ground----that would be it.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:49 | 5941572 BlindMonkey
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Terrorism REQUIRES a political motive. AFAIK, there is no evidence of that here.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:41 | 5942258 Benjamin123
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Please! Had he been an atheist Pakistani raised in Germany everyone would be calling him a Jihadi. Bomb Syria!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:45 | 5941550 SheepDog-One
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'Recent screenings did not indicate any suicidal tendencies'......oh well then that makes it all better now.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:51 | 5941581 BlindMonkey
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Recent screening went something like this:

Do you now, or have you ever had the desire to hurt yourself or others? (Circle one)

A. No

B. End your career

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:11 | 5941665 negative rates
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No, but the animal inside of you is about to hurt you, hows you like them apples?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:45 | 5941552 LostandFound
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I am shocked to see someone who is depressed and has suicidal tendances to be part of the god damn workforce

I think we need to push the NSA and the CIA for pre-crime, increase surveillance on everyone, so that all unknown unknowns can be known. Whay say you?

/sarc

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:46 | 5941557 A is A
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Headline is wrong. Should be "had" not "head"... though I suppose the nut-job's head was being treated too. lol

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:47 | 5941563 SWCroaker
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Anyone else bothered by where this seems to be going?  Safety & security, at all costs?

Doctors going to be required by law to inform employers, on anyone who is in a position of trust.   Start with pilots, then teachers, then anyone who drives a car, then anyone who has hands, then anyone who has genes that might suggest they might in the future have an issue.

Meanwhile the prior steps taken to ensure safety (locking doors on cockpit cabins) will never be revisited, cause, once they do something fur yur safety, it sticks.

Orwell and Huxely were trying to warn, not predict.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:44 | 5941835 PacOps
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11503791/German...

 

Germanwings crash co-pilot Andreas Lubitz body parts 'found'

 

Meanwhile an ally of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, has called for Germany’s draconian privacy laws to be relaxed to prevent a repeat of the Germanwings tragedy. 

Dirk Fischer, CDU transport expert, has proposed an easing of medical confidentiality for those in sensitive jobs. 

Under his proposals pilots would “go to doctors that are specified by the employer,” he told the Rheinische Post newspaper. 

The doctors would then be obliged to warn employers and the Federal Aviation Authority of any pressing concerns such as serious mental disorders.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:48 | 5941566 Bay of Pigs
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Most pilots Ive met like to drink and party a bit. Never met one who was depressed.

How the fuck did they let this guy fly at all?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:14 | 5941691 thamnosma
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Sure seems there were years of screaming warning signs.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:08 | 5942411 walküre
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So screaming obvious that nobody around him had any idea!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:49 | 5941862 thatthingcanfly
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True about most pilots. Bouyant extroverts.

We helicopter pilots have been described as introspective brooders; but we still like to drink beer.

No way would this guy have made it through Navy/Marine Corps pilot training.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:49 | 5941867 Dave Thomas
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LOL: Jim Backus: "Don't make em so SWEET this time!"

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:02 | 5941599 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That they threw in the sexual identity issues tells you all you need to know about who is writing the newsflow.

News is propaganda.

You should really pay attention to the newwsfeed in facebook, it is like cliffnotes for the daily news flow propaganda themes to be expanded upon in all the 'media outlets' including ZH since they cover the exact themes also just with different subject matter/slant. ALL the newsflow comes from the same source including local news, pay attention to the words, that is the tip off that computers are generating all this, it is artificially constructed language based on keywords for pyschological impact in their placement, degree of usage and theme construction to create a specific type of emotional response internally.

 

 

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:13 | 5941674 thamnosma
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Sorry but the closet gay stuff is absolutely believable. My thoughts from first seeing that golden gate pose. However don't let me stop you from dillusions of another Zionist plot.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:25 | 5941730 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Don't confuse belief with knowing. That is part of how the psychological magic trick works in the first place. It is all about control of the brain's pleasure palace. It is like getting high without the physical drugs. Once the brain has been trained it is hard to get people to think differently because of the crash afterwards if they think differently since it doesn't produce the same high. That is how cognitive dissonance works.

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:51 | 5942309 ParkAveFlasher
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D E L U S I O N ya halfwit.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:09 | 5942419 walküre
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you just made his point

of all pics they released from this guy, they chose the pic linking the guy to gay old San Francisco

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:28 | 5942759 tony wilson and...
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he is a patsy having said that

he was a queer and jewish and spent plenty of time in tel aviv.

maybe someone could ask shin bet or mossad which military base he was on in israheil

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 09:56 | 5941600 Monetas
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How come .... Obama's planeloads .... of Muslim refugees never crash ? 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:04 | 5941618 rejected
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I wonder who the professional psychiatrists were who decreed the nut job cured, assuming any of this is true.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:07 | 5941645 nah
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9-11 all over again

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slavs are biologically incompatible with modern medicine and science, they get confused and want to kill

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dont want to make like its a war on religion

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:20 | 5941723 Divine Wind
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"slavs are biologically incompatible....."

 

Slavs, as in Slavics?

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:30 | 5941998 Lea
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"slavs are biologically incompatible with modern medicine and science, they get confused and want to kill"

The guy was not a slav. He was German.

You should read the articles before commenting.

 

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:08 | 5941656 Mike Honcho
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Germanwings better start lawyering up.  Another murder/suicide brought to you by GSK.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:10 | 5941660 thamnosma
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Gee never crossed my mind this guy was a closet gay. /sarc

At least one source has finally published it. First time the term "tomato" has been defined in all the articles referencing that term applied to him. How did this get past the political censors?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:16 | 5941686 MickV
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This story is akin to the "Bin Laden planned 911" story. Within hours the media was already reciting the script, and even though there is no way to know what exactly happened they were printing theory as fact. Then all the planted evidence to match the script was "uncovered", and one of the "hijacker's driver's license was found intact in the street" after the "plane" crashed into the building and was engulfed in flames "so hot it collapsed the towers".

Yeah I believe you.... what a farce this lapdog media has become. But don't worry, they will do the same to you, and plant kiddie porn on your computer if it is needed to match the script against you.

Now they have "found body parts" of co-pilot:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11503791/German...

I bet testing "will prove" he was on psychoactive drugs.

By the way, just so you know:

Violation of Posse Commitatus in Ft.Lauderdale this weekend. Not a word in S. Fla. newspapers.

http://www.infowars.com/video-shows-troops-training-to-intern-citizens-i...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:51 | 5941728 PaperWillBurn
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No idea what happened but something to take note of if there was any foul play.

 

The Associated Press reports that Selke was a “longtime and highly regards employee” of Booz Allen Hamilton, the strategy and technology consulting firm. The AP says that she worked on the company’s contract with the National Geospaital-Intelligence Agency in the Pentagon. According to a March 2013 press release from Booz Hamilton, the firm had a $315 million contract with the Department of Defense.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:39 | 5941812 lakecity55
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If they are training, it is not a violation of the statute.

It is, however, suspicious, and I think not warranted in our country.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 17:30 | 5943510 MickV
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If they were "training" then they need to be on a military base.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:14 | 5941694 juggalo1
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I don't want a suicidal depressed pilot, but I also don't want psychiatrists reporting my mental health to my employers or the government.  No one will seek treatment if it means their career is in jeopardy.  The obvious solution is the US approach: minimum two people in the cockpit.  I don't agree with unreinforcing the cockpit doors.  If forced entry were possible he could have just nose-dived it, and everyone would have been flung to the back and killed.  Doesn't seem like a solution to me.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:16 | 5941704 Itchy and Scratchy
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Beware of Tranny pilots + by moar drug stawks!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:18 | 5941713 butchee
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zh bots coming up with some nice typos today...what up?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:20 | 5941722 Salsipuedes
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STOP!

The Swiss have absolutely NOTHING to do with this. Verstehen sie leute? https://www.youtube.com/user/chatzefratz

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:29 | 5941765 paint it red ca...
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"They have their dirty little fingers in Everything!"

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:36 | 5941797 YMHC
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All he wanted was a Pepsi

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:36 | 5941799 lakecity55
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If Bath House had a white brother...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:42 | 5941821 Max Cynical
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Are mental health issues becoming more prevalent than say 10 years ago or are we just reading more about it?

This guy was truly disturbed. It surprises me his coworkers didn't recognize any behavioral abnormalities earlier on.

Just his responses to the Captain while reviewing the landing checklist should have been a red flag.

Killer co-pilot Andreas Lubitz told the captain of the doomed Germanwings flight "we'll see when asked to prepare for landing.

In a chilling exchange with the pilot of Flight 4U 9525, Lubitz also calmly replies "hopefully" when chatting with Patrick Sondenheimer about landing the Airbus A320.

The terrifying words were caught by the black box voice recorder that also has the chilling moment Lubitz tells the captain "you can go now", just minutes before locking himself in the cockpit.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:46 | 5941839 Deflationist
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Germans not known for slack standard. It is a fallacy.

For  own interest any person/Organisation/Country do all unethical things.

Vision problems (retinal detatchment) would have easily shown up in any routine medical check up if done with diligence. Lufthansa and Germans should not preach to the World about their great standard. It's all money - honey. Cutting corners.

Private Doctors surely knew who his patient was but still kept behind the veil of confidentiality of data. He was an accomplice to manslaughter or was an moron. 

Brings me back to dark days when Doctors lied on cause of death (under pressure?)

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:48 | 5941857 Financial Paparazzi
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SCREENING OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS IN AIRLINE PILOTS MAY FORCE PEOPLE TO RIDE DONKEYS

 
Lufthansa seen asking for prices of well trained horses in preparation for Aviation 2.0

 

Source: www.financialpaparazzi.com

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 10:56 | 5941898 wildbad
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still most plausible explanation is an ssri soaked brain put in temporary control of many humans cracks.  the only conspiracy i see here is the 'holding back' of the exact list of pharma poison that is often implicated im mass murder.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:05 | 5941927 Jano
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next day after the crash they knew the solution  and a prosecutor (what a prosecutor????) explained what happened.

They immediately excluded terror. in the case of Boston Bombing, Charlie Hebdo, 9/11 within hourd was clear, that this have been the terorrists.....

I do not trust a single letter, whriten by MSM.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:13 | 5942435 walküre
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The funniest thing is that Germany called Washington for confirmation that it was not TERROR...

Well, if Washington says it's not terror and we all know all TERROR is sanctioned by Washington, then it wasn't terror ....

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:23 | 5941964 michigan independant
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http://www.breggin.com/resume.pdf

 

Investigators haven't got 'slightest explanation'

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 11:24 | 5941979 lesterbegood
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Good analysis and discussion (forum) on the alleged Germanwings event.

http://82.221.129.208/

 

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 12:33 | 5942228 besnook
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given the number of closeted gay pilots and the number of airplane crashes caused by closeted gay pilots compared to total number of crashes it is very important to screen pilots for homosexuality to make sure they are comfortable with their sexuality.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:16 | 5942453 gwar5
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Something is very wrong.

 

In Germany, you can't homeschool your own kids or you go to jail, but crazy people can fly passenger jets. In America, the governement wants to ban guns from it's own citizens but wants to give nukes to Iran.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:29 | 5942506 Joebloinvestor
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Unlike MH370, the authorities got to ? his gf.

Those fucking stupid Islamic's in Malaysia waited weeks to interview the pilots wife.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/breaking-after-two-weeks-malaysi...

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:28 | 5942519 Peterus
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"While careful to note that recent treatments suggested no suicidal tendency"
No.
Of course they do suggest it. They don't prove it and for criminal prosecution you need proof - but they are an early indicator. With a hint like that it'd be diligent to investigate. Suspending this pilot from some flights or canceling contract would be costly for the airline, but after all they can judge risks for themselves.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 13:29 | 5942522 Billy Shears
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Don't Judge!

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:13 | 5942700 tony wilson and...
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nobody talking about the fact that he was a jewisher

and gay

gay miss direction rumour or slip up the wrong hole

this jewish fella could be innocent

he maybe straight

his girl aint pregnant.

on the bbc fone in show members of the hive minds where saying

the pregnant girl should terminate in case insanity spreads to the baby.

 

this is wet works cover a hit for someone onboard

or a threat to spain france and germany

or an airbus cover up involving system failure

or maybe be the wigner effect

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 14:40 | 5942820 juantrades
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Economic & News Monday: Can't Trust That Day http://prestonclive.whotrades.com/blog/43256788670
Mon, 03/30/2015 - 15:22 | 5943009 Fecund Stench
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Abel Danger makes a compelling, if not terribly cogent case, that Germanwings Filght 9525 was controlled by Allianz, the primary insurer, with links to Serco and Hillary Clinton.

 

Before you reject his theories out of hand, it is important to recognize he is an Annapolis grad, a marine pilot for 22 years and currently an airline pilot for the last ten years.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 18:59 | 5943725 22winmag
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Dup

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 18:57 | 5943752 22winmag
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JFK Jr.'s plane crash was solved on live TV in like 15 minutes by the Pentagon of all authorities (since when does the military rule on civilian cessna crashes?)

 

JFK Jr.'s spotless piloting record was brought into question on television the minute the crash happened. In truth, there is evidence to suggest the required flight instructor aboard the plane (whose body was never recovered) cut the fuel and nosed the plane over.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 20:46 | 5944044 NOTfromSanFrancisco
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I have been off-site for a while... What happened to the ZH story that the pilot was a muslim convert? Did that get de-bunked or something?

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 21:46 | 5944204 80 years are up
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I told you so day one.  Where do I go to take my bows.  He's gay and didnt like the idea.

Mon, 03/30/2015 - 21:46 | 5944205 80 years are up
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I told you so day one.  Where do I go to take my bows.  He's gay and didnt like the idea.

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