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Steve Keen: The Deliberate Blindness Of Our Central Planners
Submitted by Adam Taggart via PeakProsperity.com,
The models we use for decision making determine the outcomes we experience. So, if our models are faulty or flawed, we make bad decisions and suffer bad outcomes.
Professor, author and deflationist Steve Keen joins us this week to discuss the broken models our central planners are using to chart the future of the world economy.
How broken are they? Well for starters, the models major central banks like the Federal Reserve use don't take into account outstanding debt, or absolute levels of money supply. It's why they were completely blindsided by the 2008 crash, and will be similarly gob-smacked when the next financial crisis manifests.
And within this week's podcast is a hidden treat. Steve's character exposition on Greek Financial Minister Yanis Varoufakis. Steve has known Varoufakis personally for over 25 years, and is able to offer a window into his constitution, how his mind thinks, and what he's currently going through in his battle with the Troika for Greece's future.
Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Steve Keen (46m:13s)
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Central bak financial model: "Whatever Goldman Sachs wants, Goldman Sachs gets."
For long I've suspected that the FED is a facade for a group of criminals....wolves in sheep's clothing.
Goldman and the people who run it are just wolves. Ditto JPM....and the politicians they control.
People have to be naive to believe in democracy etc. The US is a fascist country. The other big
"democracy" - India - is also a country of sheeple that are being crushed under the iron heels of bandits.
First the muslims & the british looted the country and when they left, other looters, megalomaniacs,
and war lords took over. It is a joke when elections happen there. The voters are given money, liquor,
and a rice dish the day before election day. These people are so poor, so depressed, they dont care
about who gets elected or what happens to the country.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all complete bullshit. This is what I do instead . . . me and my surfing buddies rob banks dressed as former presidents, to finance our endless summer of extreme sports. We have friends, a hot surfing ex girlfirend, we even have a new guy we're bringing with us on our next caper. It can't lose!
I listened to this earlier today. It's a good discussion.
Central planning is another word for slavery. Why do we need 'central planners'?
Blasphemer!
Your Central Planners are bureaucrats and politicos, they have your best interest in mind, that's why they sold your country to the Central Bankers.
This guy is delusional thinking they give a shit about us or what we care. They don't care - they just want to loot, steal and destroy.
"The models fine. There's nothing wrong with the model. Don't pull your money out of the model!" - Jim Yellen
She's a model and she's looking good. i'd like to take her home it's understood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgS252XT_Ts
Must all of these economists tiptoe around the truth? The Central Bankers have known all along the causes of all major downturns; their agendae has always been purposeful; the health of the TBTFs and the destruction of middle classes so as to destroy the principal bulwark of democracy. Totalitarian rule through indebtedness has ALWAYS been the game plan.
" Party time is anytime ,,,,and anytime is party time,,,, so jam mother fucker ,,,jam. " real FED notes and motto of the Obamas
CBs "don't account for debt" 'cause they/theirs own the debt and demand to be paid.
Keen is one of my favorites.
You don't understand how the national debt works do you?
Top 10 Countries the U.S. Owes Money To
http://people.howstuffworks.com/5-united-states-debt-holders.htm
ummm...your link is way outta date...try any of these
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/03/brics-blink-or-more-correctly-wink-and.html
or
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/02/fundamentally-flawed-chapter-7.html
or
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/03/treasury-buying-pyramid-ponzi-or-gdp.html
or just check the Treasury link
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfhhis01.txt
Why make it so complicated? To get page-views? Comments?
Its so obvious, its just like McDonald's and its franchisees.......Workers? Taxpayers? McDonalds doesn't care. Neither does The Fed.
Ah, yes, Keen. The Aussie economist who like to poke fun at other (classical) economists and their Simpleton models.
Keen uses a home-grown Complexity Theory model (with stats and feedback loops), that tries to use real-world inputs and effects, I understand. With the idea of avoiding the GIGO phenomenon.
People don't want to believe the central bankers are world terrorists but its time to get real bitchez. The F'ers aren't stupid. Arrest them.
QE == Quick Execution (of banksters).
Arrest is entirely superfluous. They're predators.
I like Keen, in general. But there is always that tendency to fall in line with Hanlon's razor and attribute stupidity instead of malice because it's much more fun to think that others are stupid as opposed to malicious. It seems to be the 'kinder' thing to do and allows one to pat oneself on the back for being so smart.
While he may "deal with these people all the time" (central bankers) he is probably not talking to those that really matter at the Fed (or the Ausie central bank). Of course representatives who work for this criminal mob of banksters are sent out to convince all who ask that they only have good intentions and care about the people. But the actions at the macro level (pun intended, considering Keen complains about the ignoring of macro analysis) are obviously criminal. ZIRP? NIRP? Talk about kicking grandma off a cliff!
If they have nothing to hide and are just interested in the good of the people why do they so ferociously resist being audited by the people whom they claim to care so much about?
I also wish these conversations would quit descending into the CO2 debate - even if you believe in that religion, long before we will stop burning fossil fuels (particularly if forced to do so by governments or quacks) we will kill off most of each other thus solving the problem. They need to give it up and focus on how to get us to stop robbing the vast majority of the productive people on this planet - the middle class. You know, the people that they care so much about.
Keen isn't being sensible when he says that nobody in the central banks are looking at what Martinsen is seeing and noticing it can't work out. People aren't that stupid. They just aren't. Keen begins saying that the central banks use a rational model that obviously is designed to keep people's eyes off of their "counterfeiting."
What we know as part of the public is that in 2008 the bankers met with Bush and told him that if he didn't sign over a check worth 785 billion dollars within 12 hours the ATMS would not have money and martial law would have to be enacted. We know that after that the TBTF were placed above the law and the DHS was created as a military force within the United States of America equal to that of the existing military forces. Since then we've seen the militarization of the police and the NWOs attempts to take over the world (Russia, the mid east, and the asian buildup). Coincidently Krugman's economics serves the TBTF as the economic engine to the NWO's take down of the world.
I don't disagree that the central banks may never mention what Martinsen sees as a problem (exponential debt) but for Keen to say that these bankers are ignorant of the facts is apalling to me and so is Keen for that matter. He should open his eyes a bit. The bankers are guilty as F.
A friend went to finance offerer yesterday here in Oz, he wanted 30K to trade his older excavator in on a slightly new one. The finance people told him that it would take a week to get approval and gave the impression they werent real keen to lend the money, however if he wanted 200K to buy a new one they could have it ready tomorrow. I dont work in finance, but something is wrong when they are offerring too much easy money.
it's not the money they want moved, it's the stock unit.
Just prior to the 2008 credit contraction.
I concur re the Commonwealth Bank (of Australia). $A 50k personal loan to buy stocks - too hard. Two weeks later ,an unsolicied phone call from CBA reveils offer of $A 200k geared 10:1 in one of their EFT's - no problem.
~ A month later DOW ->7000.
SSM, I agree with your statement:
"... there is always that tendency to fall in line with Hanlon's razor and attribute stupidity instead of malice because it's much more fun to think that others are stupid as opposed to malicious."
I have stated the same thing in reply to several other previous articles republished from Peak Prosperity.
E.g.:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-27/future-shock-unsustainable-often-ends-abruptly
Future Shock - The Unsustainable Often Ends Abruptly
The REASON why mainstream economists tend to deliberately ignore and disregard the SOURCE of the "money" is that the existing systems are based on ENFORCED FRAUDS. Mainstream economists are intellectual mercenaries, who are proportionately paid and promoted to the degree that they say things that the biggest gangsters, the banksters, approve of.
Neolithic Civilizations have always been based on being able to back up lies with violence, which have developed at an exponential rate, to become the currently systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. GIVEN THOSE FACTS, although there are plenty of nice sounding, theoretical, alternative "monetary systems," any such "monetary reform" is practically IMPOSSIBLE.
Instead, we are headed towards the established systems of DEBT SLAVERY, BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS, continuing to generate numbers which are debt insanities, which will provoke death insanities. In the real world, there is almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by layers of controlled opposition. Virtually all of the "alternative monetary reforms" are promoted by various sorts of controlled opposition groups. Below, I will outline some of the ideas regarding "monetary revolution." However, there are no politically practical ways to implement those, without the established systems first engaging in some significant degrees of self-destruction.
Given that, there currently is no practical political point to articulating more of the radical truths, but nevertheless, I will do so anyway:
Money is measurement backed by murder.
Money is the most abstract form of private property, all of which is based on backing up claims with coercions. There is no private property outside of some system of public violence. Human realities are always organized lies operating robberies. The existing monetary system is based on enforced frauds, which are symbolic robberies. The history of the actually existing systems was the long history of being able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, which have resulted in governments being the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals, which currently happen to be the banksters.
The ONLY way that the monetary system would make enough scientific sense is IF there was a coherent energy standard for money, which enabled the measurements made by the monetary system to become reconciled consistently with other general energy systems. After all, human beings basically operate as entropic pumps of energy flows, which come from the environment, and return to the environment. However, when one endeavours to apply the concepts of general energy systems to human civilizations (as one can both theoretically derive, as well as empirically confirm), the results are that civilizations operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime.
There are an abundance of more and more profound points to be made to demonstrate those kinds of radical truths, on level after level that one examines. It is actually OBVIOUS (IF one is willing to look at the social facts), that the debt controls depend upon the death controls. The public "money" supply made out of nothing as debts by privately controlled banks would be an obviously absurd FRAUD, except that FRAUD IS ENFORCED BY GOVERNMENTS. That can be easily explained if one studies the history of the funding of all aspects of the political processes (from bribery to assassination), which provided the maximum leverage points, so that the current social situation is that almost all successful politicians are the banksters' puppets, while those political puppets perform for the masses of muppets, on the stage set up the mass media and public school systems, whose history again can be understood as having its funding being dominated by the banksters and their buddies.
The corporations that grew up around the privately controlled banks that were legally allowed to create the public "money" supply out of nothing, as government ENFORCED FRAUDS, were similarly based upon "legal fictions" (which is merely another euphemism for legalized lies.) The mainstream economists are socially successful by being professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, the same as everyone else enjoys relative social success inside of social systems based on being able to back up lies with violence.
The only things that exist are the dynamic equilibria of the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. That is due to the basic ways that human beings and human civilizations necessarily operate as entropic pumps of energy flows. However, in order to understand the degree to which we are living inside of a Bizarro Mirror World, or Wonderland Matrix, wherein everything appears as proportionately backward and absurd, one has to appreciate the degree to which the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science, that that vast majority of people take for granted, and so, use to think through and communicate with, were all the result of the biggest bullies' bullshit becoming almost totally triumphant.
MEANWHILE:
I have read, listened or watched lots of previous material from both Chris Martenson, and Steve Keen. OF COURSE, they are drowning in bullshit, which they mostly still take for granted, because they DO tend to presume way too much upon Hanlon's Razor. It is extremely convenient for intellectuals to do that. They get to recapitulate in their bogus "solutions" the same pattern of problems that they criticize regarding others, because they continue to rely upon the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, which then support the related impossible ideals, as the source of "solutions" which are able to deliberately ignore and deny the most important issues.
I repeat what theoretically should be OBVIOUS: the death controls are the central controls. There are no genuine solutions that do not include alternative death controls. However, the history of warfare selected for social successes to be based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries. Warfare was organized crime operated on larger and larger scales. The history of surviving War Kings created the sovereign states, whose powers were covertly captured by the Fraud Kings, the international bankers, who did so by persistently applying the methods of organized crime to the political processes.
The financial successes of those Fraud Kings enabled them to surround their core systems of organized crime with controlled opposition groups, which agreed to stay within the same frame of reference promoted by the biggest bullies. Therefore, mainstream economists bullshit in ways which are approved of by the biggest bullies, the banksters. Furthermore, that applies throughout all other social institutions, which are all dominated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.
The basic radical truths are that human beings operate as entropic pumps of energy flows, which deliberately misrepresent what they are doing to the maximum possible degree. One abstract way that manifested is that an arbitrary minus sign was inserted into the entropy equations of thermodynamics and information theory. Hence, even the most basic concepts regarding the common misunderstandings of general energy systems are quite profound, to the degree to which it is practically IMPOSSIBLE for any adequate genuine resolutions to the real problems, because that would require profound paradigm shifts in the ways that people perceive themselves and all of their political problems.
To REPEAT the central points, the only realistic solutions must realistically be based on changing the death control systems. However, the established death control systems enjoyed their degree of social successes upon the basis of the long history of those being done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, which then became the foundation for financial successes to be based on enforced frauds.
Given those basic social facts, the majority of people continue to like to presume upon Hanlon's Razor, because that allows them to deliberately ignore the social facts regarding the real death controls backing up the real debt controls. The professional economists, whose careers have enabled them to staff the central banking institutions, have armour plated ways of deliberately ignoring the manner in which their institutions are based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS. Most of those who are the various controlled opposition groups to the central bank planners like to do something similar, within their own world views.
Guys like Chris Martenson and Steve Keen, are able, with a straight face, as if they are being profound, talk about attempts to understand actual economics in ways which include the issues of energy and the environment. Of course, I AGREE with trying to do that, however, their efforts in those direction are pathetically inadequate, because they tend to deliberately refuse to go through enough of the relevant levels of more profound radical truths.
I believe that I can understand that, as well as sort of sympathize with it, since the more radical truths one promotes, the further away one gets from the presumptions that most people were taking for granted, without thinking about those presumptions. Hence, more radical truths become difficult to communicate to more people. IF one follows through my kind of analysis, it becomes clear that not only are governments the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized criminals, but that they MUST necessarily be. Therefore, the ONLY genuine solutions would require better organized crime, whose core issues would be better death control systems.
In that context, I find it, at the least, ironic to listen to guys like Chris Martenson and Steve Keen, congratulate each other on their endeavours to connect economics with energy and the environment. I REPEAT that I agree with doing that. However, they continue to do so using the most ridiculous reliance upon Hanlon's Razor, which therefore affects both their relatively superficial understanding of the political problems, as well as then enables them to promote similarly superficial, and so, actually quite silly, bogus "solutions."
One would think that human beings ought to be more willing and able to understand natural selection and evolutionary ecologies, which are the expressions of general energy systems. However, the actual cultural systems of artificial selection that have developed were selected by the history of successful warfare to become based on deceits, and then, successful finance based on frauds. Inside of the currently established systems, those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, made and maintained the social pyramid systems of the civilization. Therefore, everyone became proportionately successful operating inside of those systems of organized lies and robberies, to the degree that they were able to be professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.
If one seriously examines that human beings operate as entropic pumps of energy flows, one discovers that, given life, then the death control systems were the crucial factors expressed through natural selection. Therefore, of course, the death controls are also the crucial factors with the human systems of artificial selection. However, the great paradoxes played through that natural selection favoured the development of human ecologies wherein their death controls were most successfully done through the maximum deceits, which then enabled political economies to be built that were most successfully done through the maximum possible frauds.
The professional economists that run the central banking institutions are not able to face any of those social facts. Such "central planners" MUST operate obliquely, through hyper-complicated systems of enforced frauds, while they must continue to dance around with "deliberate blindness" towards those actually being enforced frauds. Similarly, the other kinds of controlled opposition groups, which surround those core groups of organized crime, also do not want to face any of those central social facts. Therefore, guys like Chris Martenson, and Steve Keen, continue to rely upon Hanlon's Razor, because that enables them to deliberately ignore the central features of the death control systems, which then enables them to promote bogus "solutions" which also deliberately ignore the death control issues.
All in all, our society seems terminally sick and insane, because all of the established institutions are almost inconceivably corrupt and crazy, while they continue to get worse, faster. It is practically IMPOSSIBLE to fix the problems with the political economy without fixing the problems with the human ecology, because the only way to change the debt control systems is to change the death controls systems that back those up. However, the existing systems are based upon them continuing to be as deceitful and fraudulent as they can possibly be, which has included, as much as possible, making sure that the only significant opposition were controlled groups, that stayed inside of the same frame of reference, of false fundamental dichotomies, and therefore, proposed bogus "solutions" based on impossible ideals, that would actually cause the opposite to happen in the real world, which was what the core groups of organized crime desired.
While I agree with the efforts that guys like Chris Martenson and Steve Keen make to try to broaden the understanding of economic isssues, by including more attention paid to energy and the environment, their degree of success, so far, with those endeavours is quite pathetic. One of the main manifestations of that is the degree to which they presume upon Hanlon's Razor, so that they do NOT have to pay attention to the maliciousness in the murder systems, which backed up the money systems.
At least they are raising the issues that we should pay attention to the environmental energy factors when considering the human economy. However, they do not want to think through what that means from the perspective of human ecology, and its evolution through the history of warfare, that enabled the creation of the currently established, fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, which are fantastically successful forms of symbolic robbery.
Overall, the established systems are headed towards psychotic breakdowns, and severe social storms are brewing on the horizon of history, because progress in physical sciences has NOT been matched by progress in political science. Therefore, within the life time of those still alive today, globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, have developed to become the current manifestations of MADNESS, as the MAD Money As Debt systems, backed by the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems.
Generally speaking, I promote the view that we need a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, in order to reconcile the paradigm shifting progress achieved within physical sciences, by developing even greater paradigm shifting progress in political science. However, there is practically no political point in promoting that view, but rather, it currently appears to be practically IMPOSSIBLE, since the established systems are being operated by the combination of the ruling classes, and those they rule over, which are the established forms of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, that do NOT want to face more radical truths about themselves.
Therefore, not only do we live inside of a Bizarro Mirror World, or Wonderland Matrix, where everything appears absurdly backwards, also, all of the bullshit "solutions" promoted by the core gangs of organized criminals, and the controlled oppposition gangs that surround them, are also ABSURD BACKWARD "SOLUTIONS." One of the symptoms of that problem is the degree to which Hanlon's Razor continues to be relied upon. Doing so enables one to deliberately ignore the issues regarding the maliciousness of the murder systems, as well as then enables promoting bogus "solutions" which do not address those crucial central issues regarding the murder systems, that back up the money systems.
Of course, human beings and human civlizations DO behave consistently with the basic laws of nature. However, the ONLY connection between the laws of nature and human laws is the ability to back up lies with violence. The most successful organized gangs of criminals made and maintained the currently established, dominante civilization (i.e., governments controlled by banksters). Furthermore, that core of organized crime has been able to surround itself with controlled opposition groups, who agree to deliberately ignore and deny the basic facts. Rather, the standard fare from the varoius controlled opposition groups is to partially reveal some of the deeper levels of radical truths about the ruling classes, but then collapse back to bogus "solutions" which continue to be based on the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals, which continue to understand the mechanisms backward, and so, continue to backfire badly.
"The Deliberate Blindness Of Our Central Planners" is matched by the deliberate blindness of their controlled opposition. I have outlined above some of the deeper levels of more radical truths, which follow AFTER one recognizes that Hanlon's Razor does not work. Occam's Razor is a good presumption, in the absences of evidence. Similarly, Hanlon's Razor is an acceptable assumption, given the absence of evidence. HOWEVER, to continue to presume that there was only stupidity or incompetence, rather than evil malice, behind the established systems is based upon an overwhelming degree of deliberate blindness.
When it comes to the consideration of the American monetary system, there is an abundance of well-documented evidence regarding the history of how that developed, and how it was integrated into globalized monetary systems. There is an overwhelming abundance of evidence to prove malice beyond any reasonable doubt. There is no doubt that the international bankers were the biggest gangsters, the banksters, that were able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, in order to make and maintain the established systems based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS. That is plainly obvious, at first glance, IF one is able and willing just to look at the social insanity of the public "money" supply being legally counterfeited by privately controlled banks, while those frauds are enforced by governments!
Moreover, IF one is able and willing to go through enough of the other paradoxical problems, and resolve those anomalies through profound paradigms shifts regarding the perceptions of political science, then it is quite possible to reconcile human systems with general energy systems ... EXCEPT that the necessary conclusions become as those I have outlined above, namely that the established systems are organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, and the only genuine solutions require better organized crime, because the only things that actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies, and only that which actually exists can actually evolve.
on the weekend i was talking to a group of older people who are in my view quite worldly. It was interesting that they all agreed that things are out of control and that it will end in war or depression. I'm 41 years old and if i express a similar view to those of the older people i described above, to people my own age, i get told i'm nuts. I guess it comes down to memory and how connected people are to what has happened before, I'm occassionally told it has being happening for thousands of years and it wont change. I dont know if I'm seeing something that isnt there, but it seems people are constantly using words to describe how awful wars are, i feel people are the only way this madness will be avoided from being repeated. Lets hope the internet enables people to break down the lies and wake them up.
"... hope the internet enables people to break down the lies and wake them up."
Amen to that, farmerunder!
This philosophy of science article in High Country News back in January sounds superficial compared to what you say, but I thought I'd pass it along. The two things that piqued my eyes were 1) where he talks about how there is a gap between what a thing is and how it appears - which makes me recall the arbitrary minus sign leading to bizarro mirror world and 2) where he talks about the high-dimensional-phase space. If it is plotting all the states of "a" system, then surely if all the states of all the systems were layered together it would prove that death controls are the central point???
http://www.hcn.org/issues/47.1/introducing-the-idea-of-hyperobjects
MEAN BUSINESS, I liked that:
"... high-dimensional- phase space: a space that plots all the states of a system.
In so doing, we are only following the strictures of modern science, laid down by David Hume and underwritten by Immanuel Kant. Science can’t directly point to causes and effects: That would be metaphysical, equivalent to religious dogma. It can only see correlations in data. This is because, argues Kant, there is a gap between what a thing is and how it appears (its “phenomena”) that can’t be reduced, no matter how hard we try. We can’t locate this gap anywhere on or inside a thing. It’s a transcendental gap. Hyperobjects force us to confront this truth of modern science and philosophy."
The noumenon is ENERGY.
The phenomena are how energy is distributed in time and space. However, time and space do not exist the way that energy exists, but only allow us to experience the forms of energy. Time and space depend upon energy to appear to exist. However, time and space (as well as presumably other higher dimensions) do not exist in themselves, like energy exists in itself. Phenomena require time and space to relatively separate parts from the Whole, while that Whole is the flow of energy through all of those perceived parts.
"Death controls" are due to subtractions, which perceive things, including human beings, as separated from their environment, by whatever definitions are used to establish the boundaries of those things. Human beings are toroidal vortices of energy flows: tubes of flesh, through which flows in ways involving a great many non-linear feedback loops of energy (matter & information).
The human tubes of flesh are like whirlpools in the ocean, or tornadoes in the air. All such vortices are made of infinite loops of flows of energy (some as matter, some as information) through from the environment and back to environment. Paradoxically, it is the imaginary axis that runs through the center of the whirlpool of water, or the tornado of air, that enables us to perceive and define that pattern. However, there is no water in the center of the whirlpool, while their is relative calm in the center of the spiraling wind storms. (Mathematically, that is like minus one, which then gives rise to other concepts, like the square root of minus one, where that is the only number which does not exist, yet all other numbers depend upon that subtraction process in order to appear to exist.)
From the point of view of the flow of energy, nothing was born, and nothing dies. Only the energy transforms through one pattern to another ... From the point of view of the flow of energy, there is no birth and no death. Both birth and death depend upon relative subtractions of parts from the whole environment, like the experience of energy depends upon it spreading out through time and space. Thus, again, energy is the noumenon, while everything we experience, including our lives through time and space are the phenomena.
With animal life like human beings, there was alternation of generations, which had tiny whirlpools as eggs and sperm, some of which developed to become much greater whirlpools of the tube of flesh made out of something like 100 trillion cells that all reproduced from the original fertilized egg, and that may then reproduce again through making more eggs or sperm, that spark another life cycle. "Death" for that tube of flesh is like how the whirlpool returns to the water, or the organized wind patterns return to the air. There is no point at which the energy that was flowing was created nor destroyed. There were only the patterns of it doing that propagating through.
"Death control systems" as hyperobjects include all the factors which influence the tube of flesh stopping to be organized as that tube of flesh, i.e., all the factors that cause relative "death." It is possible to apply scientific methods to gather data regarding the set of conditions which cause deaths, and to interpret those patterns in ways which could influence the conditions that cause deaths.
One of the first works of the science of sociology was the study of rates of suicides, which demonstrated that in large numbers of people, there were extraordinarily regular patterns of people committing suicide. The same kinds of studies could be done regarding every other factor. IF people perceived the patterns of those hyperobjects, then perhaps they would be able to influence them.
Indeed, groups of human beings were always doing that through their cultures. Human beings organized into groups develop an energy pattern of that whole groups, which exists in that group as a whole, in a way that is greater than the sum of its parts. An organization such as a church, corporation, or country, has a life of its own. Those too are born, live and die. Those too have factors which act as the death controls over those developments.
The mistaken reliance upon Hanlon's Razor presumes that there is nobody in the ruling classes that understands and applies their knowledge of death controls to achieve their purposes. There are presumptions that the established systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS were due to stupidity or incompetence, rather than malicious planning, which applied the methods of organized crime to achieve making and maintained those systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS.
The human social pyramid systems work through minorities that back up lies with violence, in order to keep majorities ignorant and afraid, so that they can be controlled and exploited. Those majorities are stupid and incompetent. However, the minorities are evil, and those rulers have deliberately waged war against the consciousness of those that ruled over. Most of those who presume upon Hanlon's Razor are NOT considering the overall hyperobjects, but rather, are basing their opinions upon a much smaller sample size.
Death controls are ONLY the "central point" AFTER one already has life. Without life, there is no death. Therefore, the true birth controls are the existence of life forms FIRST, while the real death controls are all of the conditions that limit that life, which follow AFTER that life. By definition, as soon as one subtracts some life form from its environment, then that definition perceives some beginning, middle, and ending of that life form. The death control hyperobjects become attempts to consider all of the factors that condition the development of a life form, and which limit it.
Those are matters of experiencing data, and interpretation of patterns in that empirical data. Hanlon's Razor is only a valid presumption in the absence of enough data to conclude differently. However, anyone who studies human history, and especially the well-documentary history of the American monetary system, can gather an overwhelming abundance of data to conclude that the international banksters were the biggest gangsters, that applied the methods of organized crime to the political processes, in order to make and maintain the established financial systems based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS.
It is OBVIOUS that LEGALIZED COUNTERFEITING is the supreme achievement of organized crime, and that is what the privately controlled banks were able to achieve! The power of the government to tax, and to kill those who resist being taxed, backs up the public "money" supply made out of nothing as debts, which can disappear back to nothing, when those debts disappear. The creation of privatized fiat money violates the basic laws of nature at face value. However, that works because those FRAUDS ARE ENFORCED.
It is quite ridiculous to believe that the central banksters are merely stupid or incompetent, when all of their political power is based on the triumphant application of the methods of organized crime, primarily through the history of the funding of all aspects of the political processes. The final result is that the governments' power to rob, and to kill to back up that power to rob, have been effectively privatized, and transferred to be controlled by the banks, and the corporations that grew up around those banks. Therefore, the main ways that the real death controls work are through the monetary and taxation systems, while those ENFORCED FRAUDS rob the vast majority to benefit a small minority. The problems that the central banks are facing is the paradox of final failure from too much success at backing up frauds with force never being able to stop those frauds from still being false.
However, since that vast majority have been way too brainwashed to believe in bullshit, they do not want to understand that money is measurement backed by murder. Instead, the only publicly significant opposition groups are controlled, so that they propose various alternative "monetary reforms" which tend to deliberately ignore that there must be some "monetary revolutions" to deal with the CENTRAL FACTS that the established systems are the result of triumphant organized crime, resulting in integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence.
The deeper levels of understanding those situations are based on deeper understanding of how and why that happened. Those deeper levels of understanding can NOT blame the ruling classes for the existence of the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, but only blame the ruling classes for the expedient sets of solutions for those problems which benefit the ruling classes. ANY better resolutions of those chronic political problems MUST have as their central features different death controls, to back up different debt controls. Both of those can be regarded as hyperobjects, in the sense of enough data perceived as manifesting patterns.
The great paradoxes with contemporary political science and economics is that those operate WITHIN the established social pyramid systems, which pay various intellectual mercenaries to be professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. Hence, as Steve Keen correctly outlined, mainstream economists are willfully blind towards the SOURCE of the public "money" supply being based on ENFORCED FRAUDS. Mainstream economists solve intellectual puzzles WITHIN the paradigms of the biggest bullies, or within the frame of reference of the banksters.
Mainstream economists deliberately ignore the SOURCE of the "money" which they then follow and calculate as flows through the established economic systems, as IF there was a "principle of the conservation of money." However, since that "money" is made out of nothing, and can disappear back to nothing, it is IMPOSSIBLE to reconcile that kind of "money" with the flows of energy through the environment, which can NOT be created out of nothing, nor disappear to nothing. Therefore, the established systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS continue to bullshit in ways which deliberately deny and ignore that those ARE ENFORCED FRAUDS. The vast majority of people can not legally counterfeit the public "money" supply, and so, they live INSIDE of the established systems whereby the SOURCE of the public "money" supply IS LEGALIZED COUNTERFEITING.
The vast majority of people, including most mainstream economists, do not want to understand the SOURCE of the public "money" supply, but only to calculate the flows of that "money" through their little lives, INSIDE of the overall systems that they deliberately ignore, and tend to want to continue to deny exist, as demonstrated by how commonly Hanlon's Razor is resorted to. For most people, they presume that there is some "principle of the conservation of money" because that is the way that "money" works through their own circumstances, from the perspective of their own little lives. In order to understand the SOURCE of that "money" they have to reconsider that there ARE ENFORCED FRAUDS, or that money is measurement backed by murder, which is something that they would prefer to not do.
The established systems drive irreconcilable social polarization, and even worse irreparable damage to the natural environment, because those systems deliberately ignore the radical truths about themselves. Those radical truths are that, given human life, and human civilizations, the death control systems direct the evolutionary ecologies of those systems. However, the currently established systems were selected to be done through the maximum possible deceits and frauds. In that context, presuming upon Hanlon's Razor to understand the central planning of central banks could not be more wrong, or more opposite to the radical truths, that the financial systems are based on ENFORCED FRAUDS.
However, since THAT IS THE CASE, there is almost nothing but that core system of organized crimes of the banksters which are controlling governments, surrounded by various controlled opposition groups. By and large, there are no practical solutions to those problems due to the degree that the opposition has been so thoroughly controlled, and continues to be controllable through the vicious spirals of the funding of the political processes. While more and more people may be observing how blatant the absurdities of the banksters ENFORCING FRAUDS are becoming, since their effects increasingly become more obviously backwards, the vast majority of those people continue to STILL operate inside of the banksters' basically bullshit world view.
Even those who advocate some form of asserting that "we should kill the banksters" are also still operating inside of the banksters' bullshit world view, because those who do perceive the malice in the dominant organized crime gangs almost never promote better death controls, as overall better systems of human ecology, much less integrate those within better industrial and natural ecologies. By and large, the vast majority of people do not perceive, because they do not want to perceive, the kinds of hyperobjects that they should perceive, and would perceive, IF they used enough information to understand the bigger patterns.
That is why I keep on recommending greater use of information, enabling higher consciousness, regarding the political economy and human ecology. However, since the established systems are the pyramidion people specializing in organized crime, dominating the rest of the people below in the social pyramid systems, who have been conditioned to be so ignorant and afraid, that they feel that they want to stay that way, there are NOT politically possible better resolutions to those problems. Instead, we continue to look at the established systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS automatically getting worse, faster, while therefore causing runaway social polarization and destruction of the natural world, due to everything human civilization is actually doing being controlled by systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, enabling attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance.
(/ frantically looks through dictionary for 'noumenon'; double checks 'phenomenon' while there)
(/breaks into a sweat)
Thanks for the reply RM : )
Time and space exist because energy flowing through a human is tuned to certain phenomena limited to those two dimensions, whereas there are theoretically other dimensions with phenomena we aren't tuned to? So I'm safe to say that length+width+height = space= one dimension and time is one dimension or as a blogger I just read put it:
"The first, second, and third dimensions are length, height, and width.
The fourth dimension is time.
The Fifth Dimension was a well-known Motown group in the 60s and 70s. "
(humour aside, Jon Anderson of YES enjoys discussing the multi-dimensional universe, I should have paid more attention to him so as not to take up so much of your time!) (Let's leave "time is a spiral & space is a curve" (RUSH) for another day)
(farmerunder is right about the internet!)
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If "death controls" are perceived as subtractions from the whole then "birth controls" must also be perceived as subtractions from the whole, but only because that's the way humans perceive these phenomena in time&space. This must be where the arbitrary minus sign was inserted because we humans perceive birth as adding to the whole when that simply isn't true. Births of more and more humans means deaths of more and more other "pumps". It's all relative to the total amount/flow of available energy, the noemenon. (I'm starting to see how this is reflected in the money system!)
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hyperobjects and how it relates to "death control systems" could be expanded further from countries to civilizations to flora&fauna. The 6th mass extinction only means transforming or exchanging one set of "pumps" for another but by gathering the data on what it takes to obtain that switch, we could influence the outcome.
Hmmm, I gotta think longer and harder about this!
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I see what you're saying about the death controls being the central point only after there is Life. That's really key because if "we" are operating the death controls as our most important task, then we have to come to grips with the fact that we operate them now in predominantly the same old Neolithic style, murder through warfare, while we also are having to come to grips with the idea that in terms of energy, life must begin at the moment of fertilization. Energy, be it ever so small on day one, begins to flow through the fetus via the mother. I've never held any conviction in this regard beyond the reality that deciding to abort a pregnancy must be a difficult thing. It means that we can operate our own murder system and the radical truth is that in doing so we are more honest about what we really do, rather than lying to ourselves thus becoming immaculate hypocrites, and letting our military, or country, do the murdering on our behalf. It's difficult to understand because for thousands of years if not forever, it was never this way. One only needs to look at Roe vs. Wade or China's one-child policy to see how difficult this is for us to come to grips with. Isn't this the heart of the matter: central planning and family planning are inextricably linked???
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Sheesh, my brain hurts now! Will give it more thought.
Glad you enjoyed the link! Thanks RM : )
MEAN BUSINESS:
Two statements you made that I agree with most:
"... but only because that's the way humans perceive these phenomena in time&space."
and
"... we can operate our own murder system and the radical truth is that in doing so we are more honest about what we really do, rather than lying to ourselves thus becoming immaculate hypocrites, and letting our military, or country, do the murdering on our behalf. ..."
Using Hanlon's Razor, which is what guys like Martenson and Keen LIKE to do, enables them to deliberately ignore those who were were doing "the murdering on our behalf," which was overall done more for the benefit of the most privileged pyramidion people, than for those lower down in the social pyramid systems, (which have existed for thousands of years, and as basic animal pecking orders for much, much longer!)
The flip side of successful warfare based upon deceits is that those who survive being conquered become physical, and then later, mental slaves, who adapt to those deceits being backed by destruction by eventually treated those deceits as if they were the truth. While "central planning and family planning are inextricably linked," the actual foundation of the economic central planning is ENFORCED FRAUDS, that are thereby able to present themselves as NOT being ENFORCED FRAUDS, and therefore, it follows that "family planning" are death controls which are thereby able to present themselves as NOT being death controls.
The ideals of free markets could be approached through the limits of measurement as ways that greater use of information would enable higher consciousness regarding how the economic and ecological planning took place. However, right now, the INTENSE PARADOX is that the established systems are due to the history of the most socially successful warfare based on deceits, and the most socially successful finance based on frauds.
The current systems DEPEND on the death controls backing up the debt controls being done by the ruling classes lying about that, while those they rule over accept those lies. The current ruts we are stuck in are that the controlled opposition groups tend to ONLY point out some of the ways that the ruling classes are lying, but NOT then recognize the deeper realities that there still MUST be some death control systems. Hence, most of those who promote "free markets" use that as a magical phrase, that enables them to deliberately ignore the hyperobjects regarding how there would STILL be real patterns of death controls done through any such relatively more "free markets." That is, most of the alternatives are based on ONLY denouncing how evil the ruling classes are, but then NEVER propose better death controls, but rather collapse back to using magical words and phrases that enable them to avoid examining the death control systems as hyperobjects that necessarily exist, which can be studied through looking at the data and perceiving the patterns present in that data, regarding those death controls.
Overall, therefore, we see the repeating, somewhat ironic, manifestations of the deliberate blindness of guys like Martenson and Keen, which repeats on different levels to the deliberate blindness of the banksters engaged in "central planning." Overall, mainstream economics does as much as it can to stay INSIDE the human world, based on ENFORCED FRAUDS, which intellectually engages in the maximum possible deliberate blindness towards the environmental energy flows, because of the degree to which it is totally impossible to explain the SOURCE of the public "money" supply being created out of nothing, except as ENFORCED FRAUDS, while, of course, mainstream economists do not want to go there!
Mainstream economics is based on deliberately ignoring that money is measurement backed by murder as much as possible. Mainstream economics is based on the delusionary appearance of rationality based on taking for granted that there is a common sense "principle of the conservation of money" which can be presumed upon to make things intelligible, while that presumption deliberately ignores and denies the significance of the existing monetary systems being based on ENFORCED FRAUDS. There is a continuum between human laws and natural laws, but ONLY due the ways that lies can be backed by violence.
Mainstream economists LIKE to presume upon their kind of short-circuited "principle of the conservation of money" by NOT examining the SOURCE of that money ... SINCE, IF THEY DID SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BROADEN THEIR VIEW OF ECONOMICS TO INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL ECOLOGY! Mainstream economics tends to be psychotic due to the degree to which its hermetically sealed human world deliberately ignores the surrounded physical and biological facts, in favour of believing in the socially supported lies, because those lies (backed by violence) are more socially successful in the short-term than facing the larger context of the real facts of life.
Ideally, there should be a more valid "principle of the conservation of money" which is consistent with the principle of the conservation of energy. However, in order to do that, one MUST integrate political economy into human ecology, so that one perceived how the money is backed by murder. AFTER doing that, then all of the other problems regarding the evolutionary ecologies of the environment could be understood better, and therefore, those problems potentially resolved better. However, mainstream economists maintain a spurious "principle of the conservation of money" which is IMPOSSIBLE to reconcile with the conservation of energy, because mainstream economists maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the SOURCE of the public "money" supply as ENFORCED FRAUDS.
Meanwhile, guys like Martenson and Keen presume upon Hanlon's Razor, that mainstream economists are somehow merely stupidly incompetent when they are deliberately blind towards to the SOURCE of the public "money" supply. However, it is the power over the SOURCE of that public "money" supply which enables all of the "central planning" to exist! Similarly, warfare does not happen by accident. It is planned, but planned in ways which depend upon the maximum possible deceits regarding those plans. Economic central planning is due to the long history of the social successfulness of backing up deceits with destruction, enabling ENFORCED FRAUDS, that control civilization from the top down. Within that context, "family planning" is presented as euphemistically as possible, in order to maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance that such planning is based upon death controls, which are being misrepresented as much as possible.
While I maintain that human beings live by telling stories, and therefore, live by perceiving and planning on the basis of those perceptions, the currently established social pyramid systems operate through specializations whereby the ruling classes wage war against the consciousness of those they rule over, so that both groups tend to indulge in the maximum possible deliberate blindness towards what they are really doing, and both groups tend to want to continue to be willfully blind towards the existing hyperobjective status of the existing death control systems, or the theoretically necessary existence of some kind of cultural artificial selection systems, because of the EXISTENCE of natural selection systems.
Martenson and Keen can be described as operating within the ways that the established cultures doing artificial selections are based on the histories of deceits backed by destruction, and ENFORCED FRAUDS, which are generally presumed to have been accidentally developed, due to incompetent stupidity, rather than malicious planning. The GREAT PARADOX of the currently established civilization is the degree to which everything it does is based upon backing up systems of legalized lies with legalized violence, while almost everyone within those systems personally benefits (in the short-term) from accepting that, and adapting to living inside those systems, and so, embrace attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards what they are really doing ... while that civilization as a whole therefore prepares to commit collective suicide, because those trends towards privatizing the planet are killing it!
A vital aspect of that GRAND PARADOX is the degree to which attitudes of the greatest willful blindness are maintained towards the hyperobjective status of the death control systems, since the established systems were achieved through triumphant organized crime, which surrounded itself with layers of controlled opposition that would mostly not face those facts, or not respond with better death control systems, but rather respond with the impossible ideals that there should not exist any such systems, or at least none that human beings were aware of operating.
Martenson and Keen are classic examples of higher quality controlled opposition, that rely upon Hanlon's Razor, so that they do not have to face the facts regarding the real death control systems, that backed up the real debt control systems, and therefore, guys like Martenson and Keen do not have to concern themselves with the ways that any genuine resolutions to the problems would necessarily require better death control systems. That is as ubiquitous throughout civilization as is the degree to which that civilization developed as social pyramid systems, whose social successes were based on deceits and frauds. ...
At the present time, the GRAND PARADOX that human beings live as entropic pumps of energy flows, which enjoy the maximum degrees of social successes from doing that as dishonestly as possible, APPEARS TO CURRENTLY HAVE NO BETTER RESOLUTIONS WHICH ARE PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE THAN FOR TOO MUCH OF THAT SUCCESS TO DRIVE FINAL FAILURE! We continue to pump up and UP social systems based on being able to back up lies with violence with technologies based on progress in physical sciences, while nothing like that is allowed to happen in political sciences, such as economics, because doing so would require that economists face the facts that the SOURCE of the public "money" supply is ENFORCED FRAUDS.
Warfare and economics are both forms of social science and social engineering, whose social successes were based upon those being deceitful and fraudulent. AROUND AND AROUND WE WENT: the perpetual chronic political problems inherent to the nature of life, which manifested as natural selection, drove the creation of artificial selection systems in which the death controls backed up the debt controls, while those were done most successfully by being as deceitful and fraudulent as possible. Hence, presuming upon Hanlon's Razor in that context could not be more WRONG, (except that it continues to be more socially successful, at least in the short-term, for the vast majority of people to presume that the biggest bullies' bullshit world view was correct, although the ONLY actual basis for that was the history of those bullies being able to back up lies with violence.)
GENUINE POLITICAL SCIENCE
IS INTENSELY PARADOXICAL!
Too much debt of any kind will never be repaid as such. If repaid, it will be with a devalued (inflated) currency with less purchasing power, or it will be ultimately defaulted upon. Default is surrender, so they will inflate and infalate and inflate some more, until the system breaks. With this much debt, interest rates cannot go back to "normal levels". ZIRP and NIRP are just other terms for FUBAR.
Its all just books and papper and numbers... You can never get the big picture of what's really happening. Car Parking Luton