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Western Democracy Or Tyrannical Dictatorship? You Decide

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Between protracted violence in Iraq, the bloody civil war in Syria, continued instability in Libya, and most recently, the collapse of the Yemeni government and subsequent Saudi-led military incursion, one might be able to make a compelling case for the notion that the Middle East was better off when it was run by dictators. Simply put: as the death toll mounts from the various regional conflicts, one wonders if trading autocratic rule for some semblance of stability isn’t all that bad of a compromise. That said, US foreign policy seems to be everywhere and always inept especially as it relates to the Arab world and as CNN notes, propping up dictatorships at the expense of basic rights and freedoms sows the seeds for violent revolution even as it can serve to keep a fragile status quo intact for long periods of time. 

From CNN:

Before 2011, what the West most valued in the Middle East was stability rather than democracy. Arab dictatorships were tolerated for decades despite their cruelty because they served Western economic, political, and security interests.

 

In Egypt, Hosni Mubarak was seen as the bulwark of peace with Israel. In Libya, a reformed Moammar Gadhafi was courted for potential investment and trade agreements. In Syria, Bashar al-Assad was a predictable leader who maintained the Golan Heights as a conflict-free zone. In Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh was regarded as an ally against al Qaeda.

 

Dictatorships kept the status quo manageable. Government suppression of activism and of the alternative voices of civil society and independent media meant that top-down decisions were rarely contested. This pretty much guaranteed that Western interests would be served without too many complications.

 

In return, Arab dictators enjoyed Western financial and military aid and political reassurances. Yemen was the epitome of this dynamic. Saleh courted and was courted by American diplomats who turned a blind eye to his transgressions, from arms smuggling to forcing new businesses to include him as a "partner" so that he could ensure a cut in the profits, while most Yemenis lived below the bread line…

 

When the reality of living under dictatorships became exposed with the Arab Spring, the West could no longer ignore it and had to publicly declare support for the uprisings. But the West did not have a long-term strategy for handling the aftermath of dictatorships -- and the results have been catastrophic.

 

Libya saw hasty international military intervention without a vision for stabilizing the country, and today is falling apart. Syria saw diplomatic toing and froing that eventually dragged the West into a messy war.

 

Yemen was for a while thought of as an acceptable compromise because of the Gulf Cooperation Council's initiative that ended the uprising through a negotiated transition from Saleh to his deputy Abd Rabbuh Mansour Hadi. But the long-term implications for this transition were ignored and Yemen today is paying the price…

 

But the current misery in the Middle East still does not mean that the region was better off under dictatorships. The aftermath of dictatorships is always messy, and democratic transition is never linear.

 

Those with nostalgia for the days of Arab strongmen should remember that autocratic regimes plant the seed of future unrest and therefore only offer false, temporary security -- even if "temporary" takes a few decades to pass.

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It's abundantly clear at this point that whatever "temporary security" the region "enjoyed" under iron-fisted autocrats is now long gone and it now appears that the blowback from Washington's Middle East policies could result in not one, but two proxy wars: one between Saudi Arabia and Iran in Yemen and the other between the US and Russia in Syria. As one US diplomat recently put it:

"You have civil wars, you have proxy wars. You have regional wars all in one and these things have so many logs on the fire, to use the metaphor, that they ... burn and burn and burn for a long time."

 

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Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:33 | 5946860 Thirst Mutilator
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What difference does it make? ~ Luciferians!

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:55 | 5946915 Harbanger
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With western democracy you get a soft socialist type dictatorship.  Until they run out of money.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:15 | 5946948 Pinto Currency
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The West financed and supported a coup as well as bombed Libya because Gadaffi wanted to introduce a pan-African gold dinar.

Oil (or resources) for gold money trade haven't been good for Libya, Iran, Iraq, etc.

Where does this lead for Texas which is moving toward gold legal tender currency:

http://thewealthwatchman.com/a-us-state-on-the-verge-of-a-silver-gold-revolution/ 

Gold and Silver Legal Tender Bill: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1245/2015 

State Bullion Depository Bill: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB989/2015

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:59 | 5947167 wee-weed up
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Unfortunately, we've got our own KaDaffy-Duck now in the White House.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 21:26 | 5947223 cosmyccowboy
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They are named kennites in the old testament a word that means sons of Cain...…. Whose father was Lucifer!

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 04:58 | 5947756 Obama LaForge
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You know who sowed the seeds of destruction in the first place? His name was Mohammed.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:19 | 5947439 blowing winter
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Wed, 04/01/2015 - 19:03 | 5950553 gezley
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7k a month? Is that all? The guy at the mint told me he was making over 2 billion a day and all he had to do was keep the printer in ink.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:31 | 5946861 Theta_Burn
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If you aren't with us your against us...

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:46 | 5946883 Ignatius
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You're either fur us, or agin' us.

The CIA is the organized crime branch of the US corporate government.  The US populace has benefitted marginally from much of this crime wave, but that is changing.  Hedge and plan accordingly.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:38 | 5946870 Shizzmoney
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RE

"You have civil wars, you have proxy wars. You have regional wars all in one and these things have so many logs on the fire, to use the metaphor, that they ... burn and burn and burn for a long time."

But in the end: you profit from them all.

U-S-A!  U-S-A! U-S-A!

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:40 | 5946874 davidalan1
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"We came, we saw, He died". Anyone else with decent American values find this statement troubling, or is it just me?

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:51 | 5946905 Bastiat
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Don't forget the psycho laugh -- I'll never forget that and remind my liberal friends whenever Hilary comes up.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:00 | 5946924 davidalan1
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Mr. B- 

Allow a Liberal feminist share even HER view of Hillary.  One minute, for your viewing pleasure.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR3V4ZXfrI

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:10 | 5946943 813kml
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That crackhead is right on the money.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:02 | 5947050 Bastiat
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Heh.  I posted that a week or two back..  However Paglia is more of a libertarian feminist than a liberal. 

Told this story last time but it's a good one:  Paglia mentions in that interview all the crap she got, and still gets, for writing an essay saying, basically, a certain brand of women's lib was doing a great disservice to young women (especially) by convincing they should go, wear and do whatever they want.  Paglia said they had to take responsibility for thier own safety and deal with the world as it is not some idealistic marxist vision of what it should be.  I remember when she published that and my wife and I had my then 13 year old daughter read it.  It served her well.

I've always liked Paglia.  She thinks for herself and speaks her mind.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:25 | 5947097 davidalan1
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Like minds....cheers

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 21:18 | 5957766 TheReplacement
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No sir.  Paglia is more of a real liberal than the petty tyrants who mascarade as liberals.  They have practically destroyed the meaning of the word as well as most people's understanding of our nations founding history. 

There is a reason libertarian and liberal spring from liberty.  Stop giving them control of our language. 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 21:15 | 5957761 TheReplacement
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Paglia is, I feel, genuine and pretty fair.  I could get along with her being President long before most of the current crowd of wannabes.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:49 | 5946880 GeezerGeek
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According to the article, "Dictatorships kept the status quo manageable." So I, living in the USSA, am part of a manageable status quo? That sucks.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:47 | 5946894 mastersnark
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I always enjoy the talks with my grandkids about how their personal happiness and freedom, is intrinsically linked to who governs a bunch of illiterate camel jockeys 10,000 miles away. Good times.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:49 | 5946898 MS7
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U.S. policy didn't change because the "reality of living under dictatorships became exposed" but because the dictators in each of the countries we attacked saved had started going against US interests.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-russia-is-demonized-and-san...

 

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:08 | 5946940 Seychelles
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The only US interests any more are those that can benefit the corporate-banker-military globalist Zionists.  This article sounds like CFR trolling.

 

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:53 | 5947156 calltoaccount
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exactly!  confessions of an economic hit man lays it out:

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Wikipedia, the free ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
 
Wikipedia 

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is a book written by John Perkins and published in 2004. It provides Perkins' account of his career with consulting firm ...

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:50 | 5946902 NoWayJose
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US propping up Repressive Arab leaders? Like Saudi Arabia?

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:50 | 5946904 booboo
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Mission Accomplished

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:53 | 5946911 kchrisc
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"Western Democracy Or Tyrannical Dictatorship? You Decide"

For those that truly understand: Zionist farm.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

You can't get bacon from an armed pig.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 21:42 | 5957822 TheReplacement
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I find the whole thing rather fantastical.  I've thought for a long time that there is not a monolithic syndicate controlling these events.  There does seem to be a zionist entity that wants to control the middle east.  There seems to be a similar/same/related entity trying to control the global economy.  There seems to be an small independent authoritarian faction trying to overturn the whole balance.  Bear with me.  It is only a wild ass theory.

That would be Obama and his element no matter who is actually in control of that group.  Everything we can trace to Obama has either lead to a better position for Iran and weakening the hold of Israel over the US.  If it hasn't been to the benefit it certainly appeared to be an effort in that direction before something went wrong.

Egypt was turned over the the Muslim Brotherhood who could make common cause with Iran.

Libya seems like an outlier in that Iran didn't benefit.  We know the CIA was heavily involved and Al Qaida showed up.  Call this a complete surprise - see my shocked face.  Perhaps Colonel Q was simply a weak branch and there was no helping him.

ISIS appears to be another CIA plot to take out Assad on behalf of the cartel and was thus supposed to lead to US intervention against Assad.  All we've really seen is harsh words, Kerry scrambling for Russian cover, a half hearted attempt by the US to make a difference, and Iran gaining heavily in Iraq.

Yemen is certainly being touted as an Iranian project.

It almost appears that the CIA is playing one side and Obama/State are playing the other side.  Judging by how things are progressing, the arabs are losing.  Here in the US it is hard to tell which side is winning.  I suppose that will be the case until either Assad is defeated or Saudi Arabia is attacked from all sides. 

I'm suggesting there are two teams.  The zionists represented by the CIA and the anti-zionist pro-Iranian State Department.  Obama would be obvious as the Iranian side since we can tie him directly via Valerie Jarrett.  Hillary was zionist but under Obama's direct control.  Kerry seems simply scary and incompetent.  Holder was Wall Street which could benefit both sides since there is big money for both.  Lord knows to whom the NSA is really loyal.  During Bush's time the MIC was heavily influenced by the zionists but now many officers have been purged and the military does not seem all that gungho at all.  These could all be shadows dancing on a wall or just an apparition.

Still, if we are going to defeat them we need to identify any and all cracks in their organization.  Cracks can be exploited to create divisions.  Perhaps we can learn to turn them against each other so they destroy themselves for us.  This would be efficient justice.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:54 | 5946913 giggler321
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There is no decision to be made

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:57 | 5946917 Fix It Again Timmy
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The American people should burn the State Dept. down to the ground since the US government ineptly serves it own citizens and yet tries to control other countries.  Yet the sheeple shout "USA, USA" without giving this glaring discrepancy a nanosecond of thought....

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 18:59 | 5946923 Fun Facts
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I don't expect to see any hollywood movies about the middle eastern holocaust of the early 21st century where 4 million and counting were killed to achieve Israeli ziocon political objectives.

Go figure.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:05 | 5946929 kchrisc
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The key thing to understand about tyranny is that tyranny must both control and oppress their victims while simultaneously sustaining themselves off of those same victim's backs and production.

This is known as Tyranny's Paradox. It is the first and primary stop for understanding how to end tyranny.
One must interfere with tyranny's systems of control and oppression and/or systems of sustenance.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

I am pebble--A pebble in tyranny's gearbox. Many pebbles together is gravel.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:14 | 5946930 agent default
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Has it ever occurred to anyone this side of the world that some cultures and people do not really want this "democracy" thing and even if you force it on them they will immediately exchange it for the old system faster than you can blink?  Name one Islamic country  that has a true functioning democracy, in the Western sense of the term. To a certain extent the same argument can be made about Russia and Asia.  Exactly WTF is it with the US forcing their political system upon others.  Maybe because it is much easier to manipulate than the other systems of government?

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:57 | 5947037 JuliaS
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The spreading of democracy implies first and foremost assimilation of self-governing nations into fractional reserve fiat regime that allows gradual expropriation of assets.

The biggest enemies of the Western world are ones that value private property, protecting it from foreign infiltrators. Those who trade in their own currency or barter. Those who despise usury.

Also, in a democratic system an individual has no rights - only privileges granted to him by the will of the majority. It's a flexible system where every asset can eventually be negotiated away from the owner for the sake of greater good. Much harder to do such thing in places that use literal interpretation of ancient religious books as the rule of the land. If your book says: "The owner of stuff has the right to cut off the head of whoever tries to steal it" - that's a prime candidate for immediate Western democratization.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:51 | 5947151 calltoaccount
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it's not forcing our "democracy" or "political system'" that's the side show.  it's imposing strict control over their resources and finances.  and thats a banky thing. 

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 08:46 | 5948041 Monty Burns
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Yes. Check out the enemies list of the last few decades.  All lacked a Rotschilde Central Bank.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 19:31 | 5946991 fudge
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Yo Tylers !

Why can't I give these shitty 'articles ' you insist on posting a -NEGATIVE- rating ?

;-)

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:02 | 5947051 Mr. Bones
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We have against us the Executive Power, the Judiciary Power, all the officers of government, all who are seeking offices, all timid men who prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty, the British merchants and the Americans who trade on British capitals, the speculators, persons interested in the bank and the public funds. Establishments invented with views of corruption, and to assimilate us to the British model in its corrupt parts.

-Jefferson

 

I was going to end the quote after the bold, but then he started talking about speculators, "the bank," public funds, and corruption.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 20:35 | 5947111 Prober
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"Western Democracy Or Tyrannical Dictatorship?"

It is not a case of one OR the other -

Western Democracy = RULE OF THE PROLETARIAT => Tyrannical Dictatorship, eg obomination

THEY ARE *BOTH* PROVEN FAILURES

This is where the American Founders REALLY screwed up, when they debated WHO should be allowed to vote, and they decided against restricting voting to just to accomplished people and opened it up to any living person, which the liberal socialist parasites have even expanded to include illegal invaders.

That combined with NO LIMITATIONS on how much politicians could confiscate, redistribute, spend and what they could create to buy the votes of the proletariat has resulted in the superb rotting decadent crumbling hyper-indebted cesspools that characterizes ALL "Western Democracies".

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 22:32 | 5947360 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Western Democracy Or Tyrannical Dictatorship?"

It is not a case of one OR the other -

You started out so well. It really seemed like you were about to contribute something better than the usual fevered ranting, something of worth.

You had to go and ruin it, though.

Western Democracy = RULE OF THE PROLETARIAT => Tyrannical Dictatorship, eg obomination

That is quite a taste for fantasy, clinging to the illusions that politicians are selected by elections and elections are decided by voting. The naïveté impresses.

Western Democracy = Rule by those who own the political system => Tyrannical Autocracy where only the figureheads change and "voters" cultivate the illusion of participation

This is where the American Founders REALLY screwed up, when they debated WHO should be allowed to vote, and they decided against restricting voting to just to accomplished people and opened it up to any living person

A nice fairy tale which does not correspond with reality. Must have attended public school in the US of A.

That combined with NO LIMITATIONS on how much politicians could confiscate, redistribute, spend and what they could create to buy the votes of the proletariat

Exhibits a confusion between product and purchaser. In Western Democracy, politicians do not buy - they are bought. And votes? They are not a mattering thing.

But hey, admitting facts is out of context. The proper behavior is propaganda.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 22:43 | 5947380 Prober
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Another STOOGE stool dump - GW Bush, Bill Clinton, Obama - and soon the Hillary witch - all get into office, power and control through elections, in which the votes of the PROLETARIAT are counted and determine the winner-take-all.

You are so stupid and blinded by your worthless ideology that you cannot accept factual reality, which is the clinical definition of psychosis - you might improve slightly if you get off the narcotics and get your head out of the bong.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:23 | 5947451 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Made me laugh. It is so stupid.

The only thing one has to understand when being forcefed that kind of drivel: that is a litmus test provided by a US citizen group to see if you fit in, are ready to submit and admit some kind of obvious drivel as the glue of the group, your loyalty to the group being shown by defending passionately that thick packet of nonsense.

Fantasy world...

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 05:08 | 5947763 schadenfreude
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True democracy requires equal chances for every person to get elected. This is not the case, since you need to be a member of Rep or Dem (there is a tribute to this party to be made). Additionally you need a shitload of money to stand a chance (there is a tribute to the donors to be made). So in the end, only a handful people in US stand a chance to become president. And this preisdent is burdened with promises he has to keep in order to become president. 

So, in my opinion the election system is just theater, played to the public to give her the illusion the voting matters. In reality it is a hidden dictatorship.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:39 | 5947493 Totentänzerlied
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"and they decided against restricting voting to just to accomplished people and opened it up to any living person"

Never happened.

"Western Democracy = RULE OF THE PROLETARIAT"

Never heard this one before, didn't know anyone could be so totally confused and completely wrong.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 21:54 | 5947278 Kirk2NCC1701
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is a consistent pattern of NOT allowing a "dictator" to rise from the Plebeian masses. Even when they are tolerated of even supported for a while, they are eventually attacked, deposed and disposed.

Not so with tyrants who have a Monarchical pedigree. We (the US) LOVE those tyrants. E.g. The Shah of Iran, the Saudi royalty, Gulf State royalty, or virtually any other royalty.

This is NOT a coincidence. The Lords from Feudalism 1.0 (last 900 years) are coming back in the form of Feudalism 2.0 -- The Global Game.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 22:02 | 5947291 nmewn
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The ideal of a democracy dies a thousand deaths, this republic but one.

51 to 49 ;-)

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:16 | 5947433 Kirk2NCC1701
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Note the political flap in Indiana, about some new law, and the blowback it created among "identifiable groups of protected status", who felt that they might be discriminated.

Is that Democracy, a Republic or something else in action? ;-)

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:24 | 5947455 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Dictocracy.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 06:30 | 5947805 nmewn
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Yeah, the National Thought Police and the Perpetually Pissed Class seem to be particularly concerned about whats going on inside Indiana bakeries.

Whats next, no shirt, no shoes, no service? ;-)

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 06:38 | 5947810 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Whats next, no shirt, no shoes, no service?

Such a soleless policy is undeniably shirtist.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 08:42 | 5948027 Monty Burns
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Same all over the West, Captain.  Here in Ireland a bakery that refused to provide a cake for a gay wedding was nearly put out of business. Strange idea of freedom those liberalshave....

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 22:04 | 5947302 Joe Tierney
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Tylers, don't ever spew CNN vomit on me again!

 

It's an almost unforgivable insult.

 

CNN = Crap Now Network

 

Besides, on a much greater scale, it's the removal of dictators that breeds anarchy and revolution. Included in that is the supporting of opposition groups, thus fomenting revolution and regime change.

 

The U.S. has done this in one way or another almost everywhere - Libya, Egypt, Iraq, AfhGhannyLand, Ukraine, etc etc etc - and everywhere it has resulted in chaos.

And remember the widespread chaos that resulted from the collapse of the Soviet Union?

The stupid inbreds at CNN haven't got a clue....as usual.

Tue, 03/31/2015 - 23:07 | 5947417 dexter_morgan
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When the Christian consensus died, it left a vacuum, and this will tend to be filled by an elite to form an authoritarian state. When we speak of an authoritarian state, we must not think of the model of Hitler or Stalin, but rather a manipulative authoritarian state. The governments of the world have at their disposal forms of manipulation beyond anything the world has every known before.

 -- Francis Schaeffer, How Should We Then Live?

The humanists push for “freedom,” but having no Christian consensus to contain it, that “freedom” leads to chaos or to slavery under the state (or under an elite). Humanism, with its lack of any final base for values or law, always leads to chaos. It then naturally leads to some form of authoritarianism to control the chaos. Having produced the sickness, humanism gives more of the same kind of medicine for a cure. With its mistaken concept of final reality, it has no intrinsic reason to be interested in the individual, the human being. Its natural interest is the two collectives: the state and society.

Francis Schaeffer

 

"But let us be realistic in another way , too. If we as Christians do not speak out as authoritarian governments grow from within or come from outside, eventually we or our children will be the enemy of  society and the state. No truly authoritarian government can tolerate those who have a real absolute by which to judge its arbitrary absolutes and who speak out and act upon that absolute."

Francis Schaeffer, How Shall We Then Live? ,page 254

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 00:57 | 5947604 NordikAvenger
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What?  And by what authority is "The Absolute" determined?  C'mon, don't be ridiculous - you're telling me basically your God is better than his Allah and that your 'morality' is superior to the moral basis underlying the atheist-humanist? "my absolute is superior to your absolute."  If I remember correctly, the nation's founders were keenly aware of the multititude of religious interpretations out there and they were careful not to codify any of it in the Constitution - and you're talking about a Christian set of absolutes?  Again, by whcih authority?

 

  Whatever - I have nothing witty to say to you....

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 08:40 | 5948018 Monty Burns
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Fine, but the problem comes when you try to define - in practical earthly terms - what the 'Absolute' means. You're then back to squabbling religions all claiming to know what God wants.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 10:45 | 5948523 gezley
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I don't think there's any confusion in Christianity about moral laws. At least not in those branches of Christianity outside the American and British versions, where you have new denominations springing up all the time. In the Orthodox and Catholic worlds it is still wrong to work on Sundays. Still wrong to look at porn. Still wrong to induce or procure an abortion. Still wrong to steal. Still wrong to mistreat workers. Still wrong to impose unjust laws.

In other words, things that were wrong 2000 years ago are still wrong in the Orthodox and Catholic worlds today.

We all know of course the American and British branches of so-called Christianity abandoned these old-fashioned strictures long ago, since they know best what is right and wrong not only for themselves but also for the rest of the world. The result? A vacuum in these countries where once Christianity prospered, a vacuum now filled by another kind of absolutism, imposed even as its adherents protest their freedom from absolutes. Meanwhile the rest of us elsewhere on the planet have to keep paying for it while Anglo-America figures out what to replace true Christianity with. Oh that's right - freedom and democracy. How could I forget? It's not as though the slogan isn't plastered all over day after day, night after night.

That's the point dexter's making. There's a lot of confusion out there today. Unnecessarily so in my opinion. The fix is simple: return to the Ten Commandments and watch societies and economies prosper once more. Like it or not all the evils in our world can be imputed to one of the seven deadly sins.

This won't happen of course as long as the Jews control our economies, our politicians, our schools and our clergy. Their plan today is the total destruction of Christian civilization, just as it was 2000 years ago. You can fight that by giving them the secular state they want, or you can fight it by returning to Christ in his Church. And no, returning to Christ in one of the 30,000 (and growing) denominations of Protestantism doesn't count. Going to a Catholic Mass where the priest turns his back on the Tabernacle to face the people doesn't count either, although we all know why that abomination was brought in just as Israeli tanks were reclaiming Jerusalem exactly 1900 years after it had been taken from them. No, what our societies need is a return to true Christianity, practised by people and leaders. Publicly, not privately. I understand this sends shivers down your spine, but I don't mean the mawkish American version. What I mean is the virile version you find in Orthodoxy and pre-Vatican II Catholicism.

Any takers? I doubt it. Too many wimps who call themselves men these days. And too many women who would be grossly offended by a return to such things.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 00:00 | 5947531 dogismycopilot
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The Middle East and Islamic Countries require a "strong man" rule. This is based on the regions focus on tribalism, tribal warfare and their religion which also is based on a "strong man" theology. Finally, Middle Eastern Islamic countries are NON-secular on a level that few, if any, westeners can fathom. For those who wish to bring secular rule AND democracy predicated on Christian values I say, let me know when you are on the road so I can get off of it.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 04:13 | 5947735 Lynn Trainor
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I'd say the results of U.S. dictatorship looks far worse:

http://goo.gl/aoJMeO

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 05:09 | 5947764 Klemens
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Democracy will only work with FIAT money! People elect allways the biggest liar! So they need to print the missing money for their promising.
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 07:42 | 5947881 N0TME
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No brainer: Tyrannical Dictatorship.  
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 08:36 | 5948004 Monty Burns
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Democracy doesn't work well in tribal societies. If they also happen to be Muslim democracy won't work at all. We should leave those countries and their leaders alone, let them sort out their own problems.  Almost everything the 'Western democracies' do there makes the situation worse. Libya and Iraq being prime examples.

Wed, 04/01/2015 - 09:25 | 5948196 esum
esum's picture

the ussa trained leaders and funded the "arab spring" uprisings as part of a "strategic" policy of destabaization designed to set sunni versus shia for the next few decaseds and leave ussa alone... here boys go kill yourselves.... but keep it over there please.. 

khadaffy was providing intel and fighting al queda and lybia is the biggest source of "foreign fighters"... obama and hilary murdered him... mubarak kept the lid on egypt and lived up to the peace treaty with israel... so oabma and hilary ousted him and put in a muzzie brotherhood terrorist who the egyptian military got rid of and put al sisi in... 

we wanted assad out and recruited, trained, funded and used isis, which worked out real well... and now we want to give iran a nuke so they can ravage the middle east having clearly said the way to jerusalem is via baghdad and also they will nuke the ussa..as steo one...

so we watch a community-organizer orchestrated foreign nonpolicy abortion unfold.... a live borth abortion wehre the skull gets a hole drilled in it and the brain sucked out and the limbs torn off and tossed int he shitcan .. the libtards are "oh so fucking smart" aren't they?? 

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