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For First Time In History, California Governor Orders Mandatory Water Cuts Amid "Unprecedented, Dangerous Situation"
Amid the "cruelest winter ever," with the lowest snowpack on record, and with 98.11% of the state currently in drouight conditions, California Governor Jerry Brown orders mandatory water cuts in California for the first time in history...
Lowest snowpack on record...
98.11% Drought...
And finally some action...
Gov. Jerry Brown orders mandatory water cuts in California after snowpack shrinks to record low http://t.co/Wdy2SYFV0V
— WSJ Breaking News (@WSJbreakingnews) April 1, 2015
As ABC reports,
California Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. announced a set of mandatory water conservation measures today, as the state continues to struggle with a prolonged drought that has lasted for more than four years.
"Today we are standing on dry grass where there should be five feet of snow," Brown said in a statement after visiting a manual snow survey in the Sierra Nevadas. "This historic drought demands unprecedented action."
For the first time in the state's history, the governor has directed the State Water Resources Control Board to implement mandatory water reductions across California, in an effort to reduce water usage by 25 percent. The measures include replacing 50 million square feet of lawns throughout the state with drought-tolerant landscaping, banning the watering of grass on public street medians, requiring agricultural water users to report their water use to state regulators, and requiring large landscapes such as campuses, golf courses and cemeteries to make significant cuts in water use.
The governor’s announcement comes just a few weeks after NASA’s top water scientist, Jay Famiglietti, declared in a Los Angeles Times op-ed that California only had a year's-worth of water supply left in its reservoirs.
The last four years have been the driest in California’s recorded history. As of March 24, more than 98 percent of California is suffering from abnormally dry conditions, with 41.1 percent in an exceptional drought, according the U.S. Drought Monitor, which estimates that more than 37 million Californians have been affected by the drought. The state’s snowpack, which is largely responsible for feeding the state’s reservoirs, has been reduced to 8 percent of its historical average, and in some areas in the Central Valley the land is sinking a foot a year because of over-pumping of groundwater for agriculture.
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“We are in an unprecedented, very serious situation,” the governor said in his January statement. “At some point, we have to learn to live with nature, we have to get on nature’s side and not abuse the resources that we have.”
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And as we noted previously, while all eyes are focused on dry river beds and fields of dust, the maountainous ski resort areas are seing their economies devastated. As Bloomberg reports,
Last year Vail reported a 28 percent drop in skier visits at its California resorts, and the company warned investors that its financial results would be worse than anticipated.
Those numbers reflect what could be a larger contraction of Tahoe’s ski industry. Seasonal and part-time hiring has slid 27 percent over the last three years, according Patrick Tierney, a professor of recreation, parks, and tourism at San Francisco State University, and spending on ski-related services has decreased from $717 million a year to $428 million. An older analysis by the San Francisco Reserve Bank showed that the value of resort-area homes in places like Tahoe can depend heavily on climate; even a 2-degree increase could cut home values by more than 50 percent.
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The drought is getting worse... not better.
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Sluiceferians!
Attention all Kalifornian's, DO NOT MIGRATE NORTH! Oregon and Washington State are closed. Move EAST. Thank You, that is all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tta1K_is0ag
Won't be any need. Gov Brown is on top of it. 25% cuts in usage mean....16 months supply, not 12. That should fix things.
How much longer will we have to wait for the Kalifornica Scab to dry up and finally fall off the rest of the country?
Pissin' rain here today in the mid-valley of western Oregon.
Am I gloating? Yes.
That's what happens when the state govt spends all their money on fat state pensions, salaries, welfare and nothing on reservoirs.
Check out the Auburn dam. Slated to be completed in the 70s and never happened.
HE washers and dirty clothes for everyone !!
Here come the refugees.
How about a Great Lakes pipeline to California? You ship us wine and we'll ship you water. (Please keep your insane liberal politicians, however.)
The Great Lakes are bound by international treaty regarding diversion of water (it can't be done) given that they interconnect & share a boundary with Canada.
California, Arizona & Nevada are well & truly fucked.
I might start a company to ship hydrofracking wastewater there so they have something to drink.
You non kalifornians just don't understand... no water is what we've been waiting for. Nothing else seems to stem the tide of illegal immigration to California... so a major disaster of no-water (which means no crops, which means no need for immigrant labor)... is exactly what the peoples republic of Kalifornia needs.
Actually, given the politics there I would not be surprised if they gave priotity for water to the illegals. They are, after all, the most disadvantaged, and need the most help. Everyone else with priviledge can just dry up.
Actually I am rather extremely pleased with this drought.
Since California supplies the rest of the Nation with HALF of the FOOD when that disappears then FOOD PRICES DOUBLE and you will not be able to afford to feed your families.
Since you will not learn the lesson of humbleness during times of abundance..
God Almighty has a little surprise arranged for you all...FAMINE.
Now with your expressed hatred well...This cannot happen to a more deserving crew.
Your Nation is DYING.
Your bellies may be full today. But let me tell you, from my personal experience, that thirst and hunger are extremely uncomfortable and painful.
You are amongst the most deserving of that long suffering before you succumb to dehydration and starvation.
And as California dries up your stomach will empty and your children will become malnourished and bloated from LACK.
You are going to find out what the word FAMINE really means.
So please keep up expressing your arrogant hating. I mean that. Really I do.
Then I can die laughing...at you and your short sightedness..
That was your mistake to become dependent upon the agriculural output of California.
You ain't seen anything yet.
But you will...Yes...You will.
Do you have any fucking idea how nauseating your writing style of phony dramatic "one line with space in between for emphasis" is? Do you have any idea how fucking stupid it makes you look?
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illegals fault, if they weren't there helping those farmers blow their
farms up to china levels maybe sustainable growth could have been achieved.
unless farms, stupid rice fields and fracking is shuttered every other effort will fail.
Maybe Yellen can replace the water with dollars - we can just replace the drought with a flood of dollars.
But in all seriousness SNAP technology would supply unlimited water to California from the ocean, but they would have to actually become organized and unified in the direction to accomplish that - and I just don't have faith that will happen
There is a great site that will help you understand this issue of geo-engineering. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
The planet is being altered intentionally. Wake the fuck up. There are too many humans on the planet and the politicians are PAID to look the other way. You are being poisioned and eventually you (we) will die early as a result of this matter. This is intentional and if you want to stop it then go to yur local statehouse and drag these piece of shit politicians out of their offices and force them to explain what is going on.
You know "geoengineering" is the term used in connection with mega-projects considered for use in countering global warming, right? For example the space mirror at L1, carbon sequestration and storage (CSS), stratospheric sulphates etc. These projects would have global-scale consequences. Any country unilaterally engaging in such activities would not go un-noticed and data would be flowing into the public domain from governments and institutions as evidence. We would be getting data, not youtube videos.
The term is misconstrued. I don't think tinfoil hats are considered geoengineering but around here... Space cadets.
It's amazing that decades of data and research are summarily discarded but for PROOF/REAL/TRUTH we only need to live in Cali and "just look up"
Where's the DATA?
Gigatons of CO2 INTENTIONALLY dumped in the atmosphere every year has no effects that could do harm but CHEMTRAILS!!!! will kill us all!!!
Moronic
"Tall Tom", are you that douchebag Bangalore Equities? I would love to pound that punk into the earth.
You say you will die laughing as I die hungry. (You must be super fun at parties btw)
I'll tell you why I am not worried about your terrible drought and famine prophesy.
The last time this happened, I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this cab is rare but I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'
I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'
I looked at my kingdom I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air
So . . . fuck you, I guess? Yeah. Fuck you doomer.
Okay, we'll sell them our (U.S.) half of the water. The Canadians are awash in melting glaciers anyway according to the global warmists, so they're all set with fresh water.
Water is a bi-product of running your car.
Water is as everpresent as oxogen but some people just dont want to breath enough to think.
Is it time for California to build some moisture evaporaters. Or is this just show to buy up all the water rights in the State on the cheap.
I hear Tatooine is getting rid of theirs on the cheap. Something about an imperial issue, but you didn't hear that from me.
Gov moon beam ORDERS, lol. Few will listen. Just double the price of water. That is the way to conserve a resource. Stop giving it away for nothing.
Not long ago, the American dream was to go to California, start a business and become filthy rich. Now the American dream is being able to leave California and get some water to drink.
exactly. however, the problem is that the price is currently zero for too many users... 0x2=0.
just make the agri business pay a reasonable fee like 0.02$/gal ... fixes both water supply and growing the wrong food in cal..
Great to live in Canada theres so much water we don't know what to do with it... until it's not. Let the water wars begin
Hampton Roads VA is abundant in water...too much. We'll give you the spring rains if you give us the dry summers.
and nothing on reservoirs...
Exactly. California's water problem continues to be political. We have our periodic dry seasons, and sometimes with a few in a row, but it's been over 50 years since we've added any decent surface water storage all the while soaking up the populations of other states / countries citizenry that for whatever reason have decided to escape their "native" lands.
If their "homeland" is all that great, why do they keep coming here?
jmo.
So what are you saying? Probably not for the taste of the water.
They migrate from Latin America to the USA because Latin American countries have a Church which teaches their parents to have more children than there are jobs. When those children grow up, they must choose between having no job and migrating to the USA.
California politicians and real estate developers created that situation. Instead of maintaining natural creek, river and arroyo beds along with the flats along them, those folks turned all of them into concrete channels to speed that fresh water as fast as possible into the Pacific Ocean while at the same time permitting building of never-ending suburbs right up to the those concrete channel edges. Hard to store surface water or replenish groundwater supplies when your entire aim is to shoot it all into the ocean.
Corps of Engineers -- always run from them.
You have figured out the problem exactly. It would take an epic flood to overflow the aqueducts to replenish the ground water. I hope that's what california gets, an epic flood. They deserve it. Other large towns in the west do the same thing only the water goes to a shallow basin to facilitate evaporation. They all deserve a drought, it's what they have engineered into their habitat. California will use this as an excuse to ask for a Federal bailout.
" ... Policitans and real estate developers ...."
These greedy people are creating quite a few problems. Some areas that never saw a flooding known history are now very susceptible of flooding because of all the residential construction and concrete that wiped away/destroyed normal flow/absorption of water.
We live in a new culture where it seems everyone is grabbing what they can with little care for what we used to call, "the comunity," especially real estate people at every level in that business.
Its not called community its called Stewardship, and yes this word is never mentioned in public school, or any where else these days its a word from a bygone era.
They might wish to consult a rainmaker.
1915 the San Diego city council, pressured by the San Diego Wide Awake Improvement Club, approached Hatfield to produce rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir.[citation needed] Hatfield offered to produce rain for free, then charge $1,000 per inch ($393.7 per centimetre) for between forty to fifty inches (1.02 to 1.27 m) and free again over fifty inches (1.27 m). The council voted four to one for a $10,000 fee, payable when the reservoir was filled. Hatfield, with his brother, built a 20-foot (6 m) tower beside Lake Morena and was ready early in the New Year.[citation needed]
On January 5, 1916 heavy rain began - and grew gradually heavier day by day. Dry riverbeds filled to the point of flooding. Worsening floods destroyed bridges, marooned trains and cut phone cables - not to mention flooding homes and farms. Two dams, Sweetwater Dam and one at Lower Otay Lake, overflowed.[2] Rain stopped January 20 but resumed two days later. On January 27 Lower Otay Dam broke, increasing the devastation and reportedly causing about 20 deaths (accounts vary on the exact number).[citation needed]
Hatfield talked to the press on February 4 and said that the damage was not his fault and that the city should have taken adequate precautions. Hatfield had fulfilled the requirements of his contract - filling the reservoir - but the city council refused to pay the money unless Hatfield would accept liability for damages; there were already claims worth $3.5 million. Besides, there was no written contract. Hatfield tried to settle for $4000 and then sued the council.[citation needed] In two trials, the rain was ruled an act of God but Hatfield continued the suit until 1938 when two courts decided that the rain was an act of God, which absolved him of any wrongdoing, but also meant he did not get his fee.[3]
courts decided that the rain was an act of God...
Awesome!
too funny.
Read "Cadilac Desert" Virtually every water project ever, was a "Federal bailout"
Here's a novel idea, live within the boundaries of your resource limitations...
Great book - written in 1986
Prescient.
Technically speaking the concrete "river" channels are flood control. Without those gigantic channels in the heart of So.Cal especially, homes would be washed away in flash floods every other year. Southern California in it's natural state is little more than flood-plain from mountains to a swampland near the ocean. There would indeed be tons more groundwater if you didn't have near-waterproof concrete allowing for no absorption. I think it's unlikely the groundwater reduction would stop entirely if the rivers had natural beds, but it certainly wouldn't be this bad, this fast in the wells. Instead of concrete bedded channels, they would be better served digging down, sinking concrete walls lower than the riverbed, and monitoring riverbed erosion closely enough to prevent flood damage.
They have that all over S0CAL. Water table in SOCAL is 200 feet thoughout the basin. Norcal has been dumping water into the ocean without letting it settle into the aquifier.
Duh. The point is NOT to build along those important water ways in the first place. It only creates flood issues when you build right up to the things. There was NEVER any planning for water sequestration, just use, use, use. Build, build, build. Thoughtless idiocy. The LA river is such a perfect example. Should have been a park, an incredible waterfowl attraction and build AWAY from it.
Funny thing is the section near the Atwater neighborhood in Los Angeles. The Corp kept dumping concrete down there and the springs and other factors just wouldn't allow it. The section has riparian vegetation (what isn't invasive) and waterfowl. That area and around Glendale was perfect for a flood zone, but NO, build right up to it. Then, of course, build all the freeways to follow those water courses.
Terrible urban planning from A to Z but that's typical of humanity. You know, the same humanity that managed to turn tens of millions of bison into a few hundred.
Perhaps one of the state engineers will realize that there's this new-fangled stuff called Permeable Concrete that allows water to flow through. Our company pours it fairly regular for military projects.
They are CALLED flood control, but I do not consider them flood control.
Before the US Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA, most people had the common sense not to build where it had flooded over and over and over, and therefore did not get flooded. So most people had no "flood problem". Of course, SOME people got too greedy and built where they knew better, or should have known better. Greed always creates problems.
But then the USACOE started building "flood control" projects which made floodplains (which flooded) developable. The owners of those lands could then build on them or farm them, or sell them at huge profts to others who would. Some well-connected real-estate speculators, developers, farmers, and ranchers (and of course bankers) amassed windfall fortunes.
The cost to the environment was, and is, and will be, astronomical.
Mother Nature works in bell curves, and eventually Natural Events occured which exceeded the capacity of the "flood control" projects. Some of the new developments, farms, and ranches got flooded.
FEMA was created. FEMA allowed the owners of formerly-floodplain-but-now-developed-and-very-expensive real estate to buy "flood insurance".
The creation of FEMA also allowed small players to join the party. FEMA allowed a family to build a 3-story McMansion in a former-floodplain-now-developable-lot, and buy "flood insurance". Such McMansions might sell for very attractive prices.
But, the more McMansions, the more damages.
Right now, I believe, FEMA flood-insurance rates are going up.
SOCIALISM.
You'll get no disagreement with me on unintended consequences. However, the fact remains that Southern California would be mostly flat desert surrounded by relatively high mountains and ocean with a swamp near the ocean if there were no gigantic city there. And, without those concrete channels, you would occasionally get 4-6 foot high floodwaters just from torrential rains hitting the surrounding mountains and spilling out onto the desert plain.
You say that people shouldn't have built there, but realistically, mother nature can give you 2000 reasons not to build anywhere on Earth. At some point you alter your environment and live there, because nowhere is perfect.
I agree. "At some point." The question is, where is that point? What limits should intelligent creatures set for themselves?
We don't drive 100 miles per hour all the time, because that's too dangerous. We set limits.
If we take a desert and redirect the rivers into it, and mine nitrogen and phosphorus elsewhere, truck them in, and spray them on the desert to grow food, then I believe we have created a system which will only be productive for a short while. And even while that system is being productive, we are destroying the far MORE productive system, which is the estuary we destroyed when we stole its river. That's what we did in California.
So, when SHOULD we stop? I believe that the Native Americans who lived in the USA for 12,000 years before the Europeans arrived probably found out what Mother Nature could and could not support, and, over time, learned to stop their "development" at those levels. Europeans have only been in the USA for 200 years. Right now, I think, Europeans have WAY WAY WAY overdeveloped, and Mother Nature is going to FORCE them to scale back.
And that scaling back includes population. I don't think there were ever 300-million Native Americans in the USA. That's just too many people for Mother Nature to support, long term.
Government is a reality evasion strategy for a select few oligarchs.
Hard to store surface water or replenish groundwater supplies...
Drove I5 through downtown Sacramento yesterday afternoon and watched the elevation on the dashboard map go from ~+12 feet to minus 20 feet (below sea level). Now tell me, if the state's capital building sits at sea level ~90 miles from the Golden Gate Bridge, (where all interior Northern California water shed must return to flow to the ocean) and can't capture enough clear water from the melted "Sierra Cement" water dense snow pack before returning to the basically "unusable" salinity of tidal delta / ocean water, which political party can we blame? Personally, I'd be happy if we got rid of any / or all politicians or government pension personnel that had any taint of relation to DC, WS, GS and/or the FED. (Not that there's much difference)
jmo.
They say it never rains in California...it pours, man it pours...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbCKzWynWfc
There's a reason So Calif went full retard on the flood control channels.
http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/Taylor06.htm
"Corps of Engineers -- always run from them."
My great grandfather did some advising for them. With Cochiti dam, so the story was told to me, when he looked at the plans, he started cussing at them and telling them that they were going to raise the water table below the dam and flood everybody out. They ignored him, completed the dam, filled the reservoir up, it raised the water table and flooded everybody below the dam out. Now, the Cochiti always stays well below its designed capacity by quite a bit.
Sorry - the concrete rivers don't carry jack to the sea if there's no rain.
And it's the small dams here that catch 90% of what rain there is, which is why the beaches aren't being replenished with river sand. San Diego was importing sand from AZ in a garbage swap not long ago.
Driest few years I've seen in 30+ here.
That's way to much truth for this site...no conspiricy, no bankers , no jews just piss poor planning.
I'm an ex-California developer. Army Core of Engineers are the third dumbest people on the planet. Second: City of San Jose. First: City of LA.
It's bcos u never saw Arnie's advert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eIs7-K_5EVs#t=24
dear kali, do not come north and midwest. stay with your fellow libs. we have enough of your type here taxing us to death...
how's them thar real estate prices gonna fare? can't give it away on fifth avenue, (mj).
Now I know why Californians welcomes wetbacks... so they can wring them out to get a glass of water.
I think the last fairly big reservoir to be built in Southern Cal was the 4500 acre Diamond Valley reservoir near Hemet in 2003. That holds 800,000 acre-feet of H2O.
let them
suck ice..
Boxed did you not know California is the land of freebies. Many migrate there for the handouts so they can head to Las Vegas with their debit cards and gamble.
I left Venice Beach long ago. Visited my family there last year and the place looks like a third world country.
On the bright side every thrid store on the beach walk is a marjiuana store. So I guess you can get legally high if you have a back ache and all your worries fade away.
Yes, the Pacific Northwest is a magical place where everything grows whether you want it to or not, whereas *nothing* grows in central and southern California unless you water it frequently.
Just the Columbia River alone would be enough to provide all the water the entire state of California needs if it could be redirected to the south instead of flowing out into the ocean -- but there's not a chance in Hell that the greenie communists of Portland would allow it even if it were possible.
I love Oregon and the Pacific Northwest in particular.
Before the internet there was Access Cable (good and bad, like internet, but less) and one day in Seattle I was watching and they had a presentation for a 'Great North American Water Plan'. Blue lines eminating from the Northwest and Canada and ALL the lines converged to a big fat one terminating in a desert called... PHOENIX. Imagine that. Can't recall who sponsored it, but I wouldn't have been surprised if it was with someone who owned a lot of land in AZ.
Ah, good ol' cable access. There was some fun stuff on those channels. Manhattan had the Robin Byrd show which was certainly a standout at the time.
If California reverts back to an uninhabitable desert, how will that affect property values?
An uninhabitable desert on the doorstep of an irradiated ocean? Hmm..Malibu will look like Deadwood.
"If California reverts back to an uninhabitable desert, how will that affect property values? "
It appears to have had little effect on Vegas, Cabo, Phoenix, Dubai, and Saudi Arabia.
Seems to me that there's an easy way to sell it to Oregon voters ... X liter of water to CA for Y dollars a year, immediately spend on nothing but immediate cuts on state taxes.
If you's like your radiated fukushima rain water, you can keep your radiated fukushima rain water.
California getting 'second-hand smog' from Asia, researchers say
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/california-getting-second-hand-smog-asia-researchers-222455042.html
Los Angeles tops worst cities for traffic in USA
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/04/01/worst-cities-traffic-usa-los-angeles/70762026/
What a paradise.
Just spent a week in Lincoln City. Beach. Rain. All very nice.
Hey, I'm in the Portland area. Let's all help out with the CA drought. Flush hard, LA can use the water.
Very good read about water in the West-
http://www.amazon.com/Cadillac-Desert-American-Disappearing-Revised/dp/0...
It is an excellent read. And before the "global warming" shills start preaching, let's recall that the drought is CYCLICAL:
200 Years Of Scorchitude: Professor Warns California To Brace For A "Mega-Drought" (ZH, 2014)
Therer are short cycles and long cycles. The western US hasn't faced a long-term drought since the masses settled it over the last 50-70 years. No way can the population and industry be maintained in a long term cycle. Sure, it can limp by with a 3 or 4 year deal but head into 10, 15 or 20 years and you can forget about it.
Like every thousand years.
So who are your Senators?
Feinstein and Boxer and between them they have a collective IQ of 100.
You're being generous.
You have two too many zeros there...
They promised us it would fall into the ocean, 50 years ago.
Nimoy promised me "the big one" would destroy the whole state sometime in the early 80's. That misguided hyperbole has only been recently matched by the Zero Hedge "the sky is falling, for realz this time crowd". Black Swan, Black Swan, blackswanblackswanblackswan!!!!! Aaaahhhhhh!!!!
The conditions are right for there to be a big one (~8.0,) but just because the conditions are right doesn't mean it will happen and it sure as hell doesn't mean that we can predict when it will happen. It just depends on if the fault slippage occurs all at once or in multiple slips. But we do know that there will be earth quakes in the region.
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dhydrated black swans...
California is/was a beautiful awesome place, until the crazy socialist SF democrat establishment took over the state and flew it into the ground.
In an effort to beautify the State and dramatically improve the culture, the California Legislature voted to ship the Kardashians to Cleveland, Ohio.
"How much longer will we have to wait for the Kalifornica Scab to dry up and finally fall off the rest of the country?"
I don't think you though this through! Where do you think all of the Kalifonicans going to go when they run out of water? Are you ready for Roommates like Spicoli?
And pray tell where is people have a better life than Californians.
Just about anywhere in the midwest.
For a plethora of reasons.
Very soon, very soon.
They’ll soon start to build desalination plants to produce water like they do in Saudi Arabia.
Sure it runs on massive amounts of oil but there’s plenty of that right?
It’s only fair...
But it’s funny how he’s talking about running with nature... after the well has run dry :)
Mr Brown Stain is a little late.
We here knew 2 years ago this was a crisis
Water with your meal sir? Nien!
I proclaim....there is no money for desalination plants (they are a good idea) because of the Billions spent and Billions to-be-spent on "high-speed rail". BTW, it won't be all that high speed due to regulations in areas through which the train, if it is actually built, will run. They deny God, He denies rain. Don't move here!!
Desal plants are a good idea? WTF. I believe, sir, that you may want to do a little more research of bi-products of desal plants.
Obama & Democratic cronies are opening up companies that have zero experience with water desalinization but will immediately receive no-bid contract awards for $ billions in 3...2...
California is the sixth biggest economy in the world.
what do you think they’ll do?
Without california, American gdp would drop 25% and it would create a depression for the next 50 years for America.
Secondly, the migration would be catastrophic for the rest of America turning what’s left into a third world country.
So yeah, some algea and seals will die. Do you think that would stop them?
And there is also something called food production. Note the area in the deepest drought is the food producing sector.
That will also be a disaster for the chemical industry!
But never fear; in every disaster there is an opportunity for super-profits somewhere!
If California is creating a surplus then why are they broke? Texas doesn't need them at all. We mess up enough stuff all on our own and we have a ready supply of mexican illegals without any help from California or any other state. Lose california and the rest of the country will hardly notice. We will have a shortage of poor quality entertainment for a while but we can get used to that.
Austin is now called "Little LA" and has become seriously polluted, crime ridden and is rated the mnost congested mid-size city in the USA.
What was it about "food producing sector" did you fail to understand?
I guess that Texans do not need food.
Enjoy your FAMINE.
I am looking forward to it.
I own a farm in Florida and an orange small grove I will be super rich. Pay me in gold or piss off hungry.
Same prediction as for everyone else these days: start a war!
I wouldn't get too smug up there in Oregon if I were you!
Or in Washington or BC either!
8-)
The algae and seals and seal lions are already in a mass dieoff. Besides desalinating, you may want to de-radiation the Pacific. Good fuckin' luck with that.
California is the sixth biggest economy in the world.
what do you think they’ll do?
Without california, American gdp would drop 25% and it would create a depression for the next 50 years for America.
Secondly, the migration would be catastrophic for the rest of America turning what’s left into a third world country.
So yeah, some algea and seals will die. Do you think that would stop them?
Don't double post. I just have to down vote that much more.
Took well over 10 yrs for desal here in Carlsbad Calif, to come online in 2016, hopefully
That one was build by Americans with American technology.
they could have new once running in 18 months is they use northern european technology. But it won’t come cheap if it needs to go fast.
I’m in the petro bizz myself and when I hear fast... that just trippled the price :)
"Fast," "Cheap," or "Good."
You can only pick two.
maybe that new graphine technology
might be useable in the desal process
Desal plants "would" help with drinking water supplies, but that's not where 90% of the water goes.... which is ag... and flushing water to "save" "endangered" fish. You'd need a desal plant every couple miles the whole length of the coast to generate enough water for the ag.
Fukushima water for them. Great stuff. I just bought a bottle.
http://www.takepart.com/video/2015/03/23/fukushima-water-new-energy-drin...
This drought is obviously bullish news and should send both the stock markets and California real estate prices higher. Awesommmmeeeee. Still not too late to get in on de' bubble. Moar' QE is on its way and this time from Asia. Rawesome!!
sd,
impressed you got your markup markdown math correct
How the fuck are we supposed to water our marijuana?
You think migration is bad? Wait till the tech goes boom, let's see how long those tech kiddies can stay affloat with their $2500/mo+ shithole in the wall rental.
$2500/month? I've got to raise my rents.
You bet!
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2015/03/26/what_2500month_rents_you_in_san...
Housing in Mt, WY, ND, and SD should be getting cheaper.
Wow. Thanks!
I know you said $2500/mo+, but maybe $2500/mo++++++ might be more appropriate.
Presenting the $14,000/mo, 2 bedroom apartment in San Francisco:
http://www.apartments.com/channel-mission-bay-san-francisco-ca/ps2qxss/
Holy shit! Shortly after I posted this, they changed the $14,000 rent values to "Call for rent".
Someone in SF is monitoring ZH!
Arizona is closed also - move WEST !
Maybe we can ship Mexicans to Japan; they need more people to reproduce there.
they're not that stupid
Every self-respecting Mexican knows sushi is bad for ya'.
Act of war .
So sorry but Texas is also closed for renovations. Please move along to NY, MA, RI or CT.
You heartless bastard. We have more than enough problems as is here in Lil' Rhody.
I concur. And NM is already a deseert for the most part, so move along. And no, we had to fight to get actual chile grown again, and we will not grow that gringo shit to make it easy for you to find something that you can eat.
The only logical western state CA lefties fit is in NM, and that state has a carrying capacity of maybe 10% of CA's population, max.
Trust me. They don't fit in here, except in a few pockets.
Hell, Arizona doesn't have any water either. They'll be migratiing out of that shithole Phoenix as well as Las Vegas....
How long before collecting rainwater becomes illegal? Interesting history on just how "well" things worked out when such a "law" was past in other cities around the world.
Too late.
http://www.naturalnews.com/046359_oregon_rainwater_collection_big_govern...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/gary-harrington-oregon-water-ra...?
WTF you talkin' about?
Collect what rain water?
"Harrington reportedly built three reservoirs, which hold some 13 million gallons of water, for his own personal use."
thirsty mf'er
Unusual case. Once a majority of people are doing this out of necessity such enforcement will be a major problem.
rule of law void in USSA anyway
It is an unusual case, with dangerous ramifications for surface ownership rights: private property is no longer private. Wow. And it sounds like he has only a handful of supporters? I thought Oregon was a fairly free-thinking state, once you escape the left coast Agenda 21 nutbars.
Nay, Oregon is on the way to being shitgummed.
Oregon has been the first stop for most of us Californians moving out. Many of my relatives moved up there.
Only according to the DoJ.
seems like they might have to wait for a while until there's a court challenge.
You mean in one of their kangaroo courts?
Been illegal in Colorado for decades. I think almost a century.
Many people have water rights with their property in CO, same in UT and many rocky mountain states. they can pull what they need from local streams and watershed. At least we could for the 14 years I was operating in UT. Many still collect "under the radar". My guess is colorado does not agressively pursue enforcement. Something about being at the top of the water source chain that makes a difference and as you point out this has been something people/communities in CO/UThave been dealing with for a long time already.
wrongo friendo. lots of colo water rights already in the lawyer stream toward california. my denver house has a well. the local nannies started imposing 'rules' ten years ago forbidding using the well water without paying for miulti-thousand backflush valves etc. despite complete separation from city h2o.
collecting rainwater and storing it goes against local ordinances. corruption leaks in everywhere.
UNagenda21 is being rolled out everywhere. sustainable. suatainable thievery
Well that's scary. When I bought my land in Utah, the big selling point for me were the water right/shares that came with the property if I wanted to purchase them as well. I sure as hell did, made life much easier and I could pull that water no matter what.
But again, the bigger picture is much simplier. Simply put, once fraud is the status quo possession is the law.
If a community at the top of the water chains needs the water, they will keep it, period.
men have vast powers to move weather.
Nope, you can collect rainwater in Colorado but the laws are tricky. Once the water touches the ground it no longer belongs to you. So you cannot place rainwater collection drums on the ground, they must be elevated a few inches by bricks. Also, some of the older patented properties may have some water rights but you'd need to hire an attorney to figure it out.
Anything dealing with water in Colorado is like dealing with the mob armed with a dozen attornies. The water rights were all bought up way back in the 1930's, 40's, 50's and 60's and worth billion$. A few years ago the City of Denver drained Lake Dillion's lake which is about 70 or 80 miles away and on the other side of the continental divide. The City of Lake Dillion and their residents painfully figured out that water belonged to Denver and there was nothing they could do but complain as the lake was sucked dry. So Denver has a pipe system through the Rocky Mountains and even crosses the Continetal Divide to make sure they have access to their water.