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Germanwings Co-Pilot Researched Suicide Methods Online
In the latest "revelation" after the tragic fact, moments ago the WSJ reported that Andreas Lubitz, the Germanwings co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing an airliner into the French Alps last week, searched the internet on ways to commit suicide and on cockpit doors’ security measures, the German prosecutor in charge of the case said Thursday.
Not surprisingly these findings "back what French prosecutors have said was co-pilot Andreas Lubitz’ apparently deliberate decision on March 24 to lock Flight 9525’s more experienced pilot out of the cockpit and fly the airliner into an Alpine ridge at 400 miles an hour."
It is "not surprising" because by now it is quite clear that in their attempt to wash their hands of all responsibility, not to mention monetary and punitive liabilities, Germanwings and Lufhtansa management are doing all they can to paint Lubitz as a depressed loose cannon hell bent on committing suicide and taking out hundreds of people with him. What is not exactly clear is why Lufthansa had no protocols to screen for just this kind of behavior, which for a pilot entrusted with countless lives, should be the primary prerogative of any airline.
More from WSJ:
Investigations in the co-pilot’s personal belongings found a tablet with the browser showing that the user had searched for medical treatments and ways to commit suicide between March 16 and March 23, a week before the plane crashed, killing 150 people.
Mr. Lubitz also searched for cockpit doors and their security measures, the Düsseldorf-based German prosecutors said.
The prosecutors said Monday that Mr. Lubitz had undergone psychotherapy years ago because of suicidal tendencies, a situation experts say is hard for airlines to detect.
It is unknown if he was searching on Google, Bing or Yahoo, or just what contextual ads he was seeing, because one would think that "crashing into a mountain" should hardly rank at the top of any search quietly seeking answers on the "best ways to commit suicide" for a majority of the population.
That said, one would think that with ever more of the entire US airforce now on remote control, there should be a way to override pilot control remotely for commercial airliners as well, especially if their pilots are unresponsive, have locked themselves out and are intent on taking as many innocent people with them.
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Why didn't the son of a bitch just kill himself? Why did he have to take all of those innocents with him? If there's a hell, he's there.
If I want to be dead I'd go out with a boom too.
"That said, one would think that with ever more of the entire US airforce now on remote control, there should be a way to override pilot control remotely for commercial airliners as well, especially if their pilots are unresponsive, have locked themselves out and are intent on taking as many innocent people with them."
Stupid idea dude. You want to end up in Iran? Or what if you have two perfectly good pilots who don't want to die, but Jihadi Jim hacks the planes systems and crashes it?
There is a remote control capability on all Boeing 777 and Airbus A320. These have been installed since before 2001. Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Auto Pilot, BHUAP. This is why the co-pilot suicide fiction doesn't fly, pardon the pun. Once the descent was noticed by the tower, they would have overridden the new flight plan. Also the A-320 cockpit door has a remote access code that the captain would have tried prior to grabbing the axe. The whole story is fiction. There is a video online about the crew (pilot and flight attendants) training to access the cockpit door of an A320 in an emergency.
I’m guessing a chance to watch Big Lebowski one last time on Netflix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lGGhHZSZs
“Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit anti-depressants!”
He could have just read ZH for 6 years.....he'd have blown his head off alone at home like a normal person.
Cockpit door should NOT be lockable.
They should hide a spare key under the mat.
What happened to the initial reports that there was a distress call? I question the official narrative, especially since its being pushed so hard.
My first impression of his pic is that he was fudgepacker.
His colleagues called him "Tomato Andy". The tomato appears to be a vegetable but in reality is a "fruit". This all goes to show that Germans do have a sense of humor, but not all can take a joke.
They save that remote control feature for false flag attacks. Can't be wasting it on a plane full of innocent civilians. It might tip their hand.
As an airline pilot myself, I wonder why ZH is so obsessed with this story.
Sure, it's a terrible tragedy, but also very minute on a macroeconomic and geopolitical level.
@zirpedge, I've flown A320 and I currently fly 747 and I can guarantee you that there is NO way to enter the flight deck IF this is overridden from WITHIN the flighdeck. Please stop your stupid conspiracy theories and scaremongering! Here is that video you are referring to: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs One does not need an engineering degree or an above average IQ to understand it.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit conspiracy theory.
http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html
@Kotzbomber747 So your familiar with the noise levels on the flight deck? Have you listened to the audio released from this event? We are supposed to believe that you can hear the pilot breathing over all the warning sensors and ruckus?
After 9/11 all flights were grounded within the US and all Boeing aircraft are alleged to have had the BHUAP removed due to it being hackable by entities such as the Bombardier Master Trust, Serco or Base-One Technologies. Unfortunately Malaysian Airlines flight 777 didn't get the memo. I read articles presented at Abeldanger.net written by Cpt. Field McConnell. I am not as informed as you, but you may enjoy the information presented therin. The A320 platform was thought to be less exposed to hackers.
http://www.abeldanger.net/2015/04/2318-marine-links-sercos-interpol.html...
http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/04/rothschild-family-fortune-bombardier.html
http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/05/onion-router-encryption-illegally.html
A few examples for your consideration.
Regards.
then you're an idiot for not pointing out to the engineers that no door this crucial should ever be completely lockable from either end
are you sure you're not just a trolley dolley?
This was extensively debated after 9-11 and the regulators and authorities came to the conclusion that the probability for a situation as in what happened with GermanWings was so extremely remote, that it was decided that the door would be constructed in such a way that 1) NOBODY could get inside the flight deck UNLESS this would be authorized from WITHIN the flight deck and 2) a system (as described in the video I posted previously) was designed to allow entry in case of pilot incapacitation.
P.s. I'm not an idiot and neither am I a trolley dolley.. Would you be a banker by any chance, judging by your lack of understanding risk management... These door procedures and door logic designs have been in place for years now. Since YOU are such a genius, what do you propose?
P.p.s. Pilots do not have direct contact to 'engineers who design doors.' Aircraft are designed according very strict regulations written by the FAA and/or EASA.
P.p.p.s. Would you have the same stupid and arrogant opinion if a hijacker tortured a cabin crew member for a way to bypass and override the cockpit door locks and carry out a second 9-11? I think the recent GermanWings tragedy shows to every potential hijacker out there that it is IMPOSSIBLE to enter the cockpit by breaching, bypassing or overriding the cockpit door or the cockpit door security logic.
It's really scary to see how many people here on ZH seem to have shit for brains and are not capable of understanding even the simplest of mechanical and logical issues. It seems that the concept of conspiracy theories is used to fill the big void for a lot of missing braincells... Mental note to self: take any advise about gold and black swans read here on ZH with a very very large pinch of salt.
bla bla bla .. probability
take that "probability" smoke and mirrors and stuff it up yours
chances are you get killed by a cop 1000x over than ever being threatened by a terrorist
this whole notion of terrorists coming over here to fight so we have to take the war to them is BULLSHIT
14 fucking years of one legislation after another and making our lives supposedly safer from terrorism and all these years a pilot could just lock the cockpit door and crash a plane into potentially vital infrastructure (nuclear power stations)...
seriously, you have no argument
"seriously, you have no argument"
Well, I'm glad that you are so full of bright ideas and well thought out practical solutions! I suggest you apply with Lufthansa, they're probably desperately looking for someone as smart as you, hahaha!
You've painfully proved that the only thing you can come up with are stupid and silly conspiracy theories. Are you perhaps a verzauberte Kaffeeschupse that always wanted to be a pilot but never made it beyond the psychological and intelligence tests and MS FlightSim2000?
The aggressiveness at which people here, with obviously very little relevant knowledge, defend their stupid and crazy theories is absolutely scary. Just read your post again, it's nothing more than a silly rant of 'how everything is bullshit.' You've not added ANYTHING relevant, constructive or even remotely informed about this terrible accident.
Not everyone wants to be a pilot. Is that what they told you at flight school? To make you feel better?
Why on God's green earth would engineers design a fail safe cockpit door that cannot be opened from the outside EVER?
Has the thought that a terrorist could either be dressed as pilot or a terrorist enter the cockpit after take-off, then locking the door NEVER EVER crossed the minds of the engineers? Of course it has which is why your theory is wrong.
The conspiracy is in plain sight but your hubris doesn't allow you to follow the bouncing ball.
Cut the attitude Mr 16 weeks, or risk being exposed as one of those sub-100 IQ retards you express disdain for. This issue may have been debated among aviation ass-hat retards and their AHJs extensively, but not by people with serious experience in Risk Management, much less anyone smart enough to work in Risk Management on Wall Street (they get their bailouts and keep their bonuses).
One person on the secured side of the door is a single point of failure. The number planes hijacked by cockpit crews over past decades exceeds the number of planes hijacked on 9/11. The risk calculation itself can be rather complex, but "extremely remote" is utter nonsense, both in absolute and relative terms (except in from a cognitively limited 'Murican-centric exceptionalist perspective). Moreover, time locks are not an appropriate solution to operator incapacitation in any moving vehicle much less an airplane (if you are pilot I'm sure you can calculate the free fall time from cruising altitude at x% of mtow and tell us just how low it would have be in order to exceed the time lock).
The dumb asses behind this clusterfuck of a .gov SOP did NOT take a professional (much less integrated) approach to risk management (otherwise the orders prohibiting sole occupants in the cockpit would have been made years ago, at the same the decision was made to reinforce the doors, instead of after the latest black swan/once-in-a-century/who-da-thunk-it episode). Perhaps this was due to vendors peddling their pricey "Wonder Door Upgrades" to a bunch of hapless .gov desk jockeys (or relatives of Michael Chertoff)... But don't hold the final product up as the result of brilliant and altruistic minds - that's laughable.
So who can push the red button?
Humans fail
And the only certanly we have is that our whole life is uncertain
alas
"...I've flown A320 and I currently fly 747 and I can guarantee you that there is NO way to enter the flight deck IF this is overridden from WITHIN the flighdeck..."
Seriously, Kotzbomber? I'm not about to debate the operation of the LH/4U A320 FD door with you here - I just find it curious you would show up and INSIST this is the case.
So you don't think it the least bit odd that the supposed leaked CVR details only came out after (and I mean right after) the FDR data module was confirmed as 'missing'? How convenient - and improbable. Kind of like finding an unusually large piece of fuselage with the entire reg. number clearly visible to 'prove' it was the right aircraft.
Most pilots I know are waiting for the missing DFDR data to be found before deferring to the NYT for an accident investigation conclusion.
Watch the YT video I posted earlier. It's pretty self explanatory for anyone with an IQ >100.
That's either a really bad training vid for FAs or something cooked up for public consumption, but you already know that.
You're invoking IQ in a chain of logic that concludes in an eight-minute long CFIT murder-suicide? Yeah. That's about as likely as a seven-pull nail-gun suicide or suicide by repeatedly stabbing one's self.
But who am I to refute the NYT, CNN or a 747 pilot? I'm just some Sub-100-IQ guy on Zerohedge.
Pave,
Kotz.. 16 weeks 3 days little coments, so fuck him/her
funny kotz means vomit
You must be a stock broker! What difference does it make how long he/she has been on ZH? So far he/she seems to be a lot better informed than the frustrated psychological basketcases here screaming a load of nonsense.
"As an airline pilot myself, I wonder why ZH is so obsessed with this story."
Par for the course. As with most for-profit news outlets, "if it bleeds, it leads" and since there's a lot of bleeding going on in the world... well, you get the idea.
Stick around! It gets better (or worse, depending on your point of view)
Oh, and every tower in radio contact with the plane can override the pilots and remote control the plane within seconds, with a press of a button in the tower??
Even if that were true, how should that give us confidence as it would only make us wait for the first time a crazy in any of those towers remotely flies a plane into a mountain.
There are reports from Germany that Lufthansa has a central control room which continually monitors all its airborne flights, ready to intervene if any of them go "off course". This is quite feasible using this kind of remote control technology.
My sense is that in some way the plane became partially disabled and out of control. But how?
There's a black box in most modern passenger aircraft flight control systems called an Uninterruptable Auto-Pilot (UAP). It has nothing to do with the regular autopilot - it's an anit-hijacker/anti-terrorist device. In theory, the government - specifically the US and probably the five-eye governments and Israel - can remotely take over an aircraft's operation. The airlines can't do this - it requires specially-equipped military aircraft like fighters or an AWACS to talk to the box. In theory (because nobody knows for sure) it will pretty much disable everything in the cockpit (hence, UN-interruptable) allowing complete remote control of the aircraft to be landed safely somewhere or at least navigate it away from things the government does not want an airliner to fly into.
The precise capabilities are a closely-guarded secret. It can, presumeably, disable all aircraft radios, beacons, sat phones, etc., lock or unlock the cockpit door, depressurize a cabin or display fake data in the cockpit to fool a would-be hijacker piloting the aircraft. Pilots are not big fans because if the UAP was hacked (or intentionally invoked), some evil organization could use it to fly an aircraft into the World Trade Center or maybe depressurize a cabin at altitude - killing everyone on board - and then remotely fly the airliner into the Indian Ocean. Or you could just navigate the aircraft into say, an active war zone and give it a heading and altitude without the pilot-in-command's knowledge - the instruments would be saying something else.
Pilots hate it because 1) if it can supercede their command, then they are not really the pilot-in-command, 2) like everything else on an aircraft, it can malfunction and 3) even if it works properly, there's no way of knowing that the person remotely controlling the plane is someone you want remotely controlling the plane.
The worst part for the airlines is that if one did knowingly malfunction (or was hacked), then nobody would fly on an aircraft equipped with such a box. You would have every incentive to blame something else and erase any evidence that the UAP might be at fault.
I have no idea what happened on the Germanwings flight, but I do recognize the frantic, ham-handed government/TPTB attempts to steer the narrative in an unusually aggressive manner. NYT gets a secret leak from an unnamed military official who knew what was on the CVR, but only after the FDR 'data cassete' is found to be missing. NYT feeds this to evey other media outlet on earth. Supplemental 'evidence' of a homicidal-suicidal FO mysteriously turns up (stolen phone card or some such nonsense).
Yes, this is conspiracy theory at it's very best. Just like clockwork: when TPTB/U.S. government aggressively wants everyone to think something all of a sudden,
1) It's usually not the truth, and
2) It's not an absolute lie, but enough of a distortion that the ensuing claims of conspiracy theory noise will always cancel out any rational consideration of what happened and
3) After enough time passes, the public becomes fatigued and looses interest. Even if the truth does eventually come out, it won't matter to most people and will remain obsucured by all the other noise.
"as it would only make us wait for the first time a crazy in any of those towers remotely flies a plane into a mountain "
Yes, it is better if the decision maker has some skin in the game. Or better put, all of their skin in the game.
I fly small civillian airplanes and I've never heard of this capability and I don't believe it exists. perhaps what we need is a Terrain Collission Avoidance System (TCAS) that doesn't just sound an alert, but also performs evasive manoeuvres
I think he's refering to this: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-t...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=135&v=B5C1aYniIFA
BHUAP
This was once on Wiki but it's been altered considerably or gone altogether.....
The The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines in post-1995 Boeing
aircraft (termed the Unauthorized Flight Detector), aimed at defeating attempts at skyjacking by
removing electrical power from the flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the
autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield which can deal
effectively with the incident.
Contents [hide]
1 System
2 History
2.1 Earlier Precedents
3 Background
4 References
System[edit]
In a hijack situation, as per the patents' texts and Pilot Authority flow diagrams, BHUAP can
remove all power to the cabin and cockpit. The Aircraft Information Management System (AIMS)
will still function normally, either through executing a programmed emergency flight plan, or by
opening an RF data link to an external source (via the Mode S Transponder) to receive direct,
remote flight management system instruction, or an up-linked flight plan transmitted to the
aircraft. The AIMS has direct control over the flight surfaces through the redundant Flight
Control Computer directing the actuator controls, and together with the navigation computer and
autopilot, requires no pilot input to fly and land the aircraft at a location suitable for
resolving a hijack situation.
What is referred to as the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in the patents lies within the
software of the Line-replaceable units making up the Boeing-Honeywell AIMS system at the heart
of Boeing aircraft manufactured after 1995, and it is programmed with the software routines that
monitor for the emergency circumstances on which to initiate the Boeing Honeywell
Uninterruptible Autopilot.
History[edit]
In response to Civil Case 3:07-cv-24 at District Court, District of North Dakota on 27 February
2007, Boeing issued a statement to reporters documented on the 3rd March 2007 admitting to the
existence of the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot.[1] The Boeing patent is US7142971B2, 19 Feb
2003 System and method for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle.[2]
As early as 2005, Boeing’s preferred avionics supplier, Honeywell, was reported to be talking to
both Boeing and Airbus about fitting a device aimed at preventing a 9/11-style hijack. On the 16
April 2003, Honeywell filed patent US7475851B2 Method and apparatus for preventing an
unauthorized flight of an aircraft.[3] Airbus and BAE Systems, had been working on the project
with Honeywell. Development sped up after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[4]
Earlier Precedents[edit]
Despite the public admissions by both Boeing in 2007 and Honeywell in 2003, the technical
evidence shows that the Uninterruptible Autopilot has likely existed in the software of Boeing
and Airbus aircraft since before the 2003 patent application dates, in fact back to the
introduction of AIMS-1 in 1995.
In late 1996, a laptop and a Mode-S Transponder was used by a Dalfort Aviation Services Engineer
on a Grenough Airlines Boeing 757 to initiate the BHUAP system and take Uninterruptible control
of the autopilot during an autopilot return to service flight test (weight off wheels and
autopilot receiving simulated air data). The witness, an Avionics Technician named Wayne
Anderson, was aware that the means by which the aircraft was being controlled and the AIMS power
supply did not appear on the type wiring diagrams, and the Autopilot continued to operate even
after they had turned off all the available circuit breakers.[5]
Wayne Anderson explained that the engineer was able to change autopilot settings such as
heading, speed and altitude simply by up-linking new values to the Flight Management System at
will, the aircraft’s autopilot system received the new settings and took action to accomplish
them.
Former German Defense Minister Andreas von Bülow, in a January 13, 2002, interview with the
newspaper Tagesspiegel, noted, “There is also the theory of one British flight engineer and
according to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots’ hands from
outside."[6]
Andreas von Bülow continues "The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s whereby they
could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting, the electronic flight
system. This theory says this technique was abused in this case.” Von Bülow was referring to the
23rd of October 1970, Tool O K Incorporated patent US 3749335 A Autopilot system controlling
entry of a craft into forbidden zones[7]
The British flight engineer Von Bülow mentioned is Joe Vialls. In 2001, Joe Vialls’ article
“France, Russia, Germany Responsible for 9-11” discussed the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot.
Vialls' writes “During early 1995, Boeing sales experienced an unconnected but serious internal
problem in Europe, though the details were never made public. The German flag carrier Lufthansa
discovered that its new Boeing 747-400 aircraft had been fitted with flight directors [auto-
pilots] that were vulnerable to American remote-control, ostensibly designed to “recover”
hijacked aircraft whether the hijackers wanted to be recovered or not. Lufthansa was not
informed about this “free extra” in advance, and was furious that its sovereign aircraft might
be covertly “rescued” by America, without the knowledge or permission of the German Government."
"In a mammoth operation rumored to cost in excess of $800 million, Lufthansa stripped every
flight director out of every Boeing in its fleet, replacing them in total with German systems
programmed by the Luftwaffe [German Air Force]. According to a member of the German internal
security service in Frankfurt during October 1996, all Lufthansa aircraft had by that date been
secured, rendering them invulnerable to remote flight director commands transmitted by any and
all American authorities. Under the new intelligence protocols, Russia and France were made
aware of these flight director risks.”[8][self-published source?] Joe Vialls (1944 – 17 July
2005) was a former member of the Society of Licensed Aircraft Engineers and Technologists,
London as well as a journalist, author and private investigator.
‘override pilot control remotely’
It’s the same problem, even worse.
A loose nut in the back of a Boeing shop decides to crash ALL the 777’s in a day. Remotes them all into the ocean.
Don’t worry about a grumpy airframe mechanic or despondent Air Traffic Controller.
The downlink from the BHUAP satellite goes not to the FAA, not to the airline (I cannot believe a commercial airline would want to willingly relinquish control of an airborne aircraft to a third party!) not to Boeing or Airbus, not to ATC but to the ……….wait for it………the……C…I…A!
….W…T… F!!!
Yea, I feel MUCH safer having Maxwell Smart controlling everything from some high security broom closet at Langley, don’t you?
~ DC
If the aircraft determines that it is operating outside of any of it's normal operational parameters it will dis-engage the pilots control and automation software will take the most appropriate course of action to bring the aircraft down safely. Sounds a lot easier than it is in reality. Will take decades to get such a system to air worthiness.
check flight LH1829
took a very senior experienced pilot to override the computer onboard A320 and PREVENT the plane from crashing.. sensor was malfunctioning
suicidal co-pilot mass murderer who needs a google search on "cabin door safety" can certainly NOT override the computer which is designed NOT to crash a plane
Shhhh, whack-a-mole is fun!
kinda like david carradine perchance?
Then rent a cessna and fly your worthless ass into the alps on your own.
Your local IRS office or NATO HQ in Brussels might serve a greater good...
The Alps didn't do anything to anyone, they're just a bunch of rocks.
Yes, boom of gun to head in your own home. I hope that is what you meant!
That's pretty F'd up.
Because like all extremely selfish people, just killing himself wasn't enough. He wanted to be FAMOUS for killing himself. And taking down an airplane with 150 people on it will definitely make you famous.
A logic not unlike our current world "leadership".
He'll be forgotton quickly like all the other shitbags that commit these acts as soon as the next event rolls around probably in a week or two.
If he had justy become a banker and then shot himself with a nail gun 8 times he would be famous and not need to take any innocent people with him.
I will NOT remember the actual name of this motherfucker a year from now. I promise. Not because I don't want to, just because… I won’t.
A few years from now: "Who was the guy that murdered all those innocent people in the alsp?"
I don't, but they had to removed his headstone because of the urine smell.
Because there is just so much violence that one can endure. Researching his sufferings inflicted by the social perhaps can reveal more explanations.
I'm thinking he hated life, not just his own.
Cause he wanted to end BTC's
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-victims.html?_r=0
end what? Bitcoin? who wanted to end BTC? Do we know that these 2 men are connected to BTC in any way? sources. I am confused what you are trying to say here. help me out as i feel i am missing something. thanks
"lighten up Francis"
lol...I will, once you got proof. until then downvote away.
more than suspicious
The way people cry on here about dead "innocents" makes me wonder if they WANT more gubbermint control to make their lives safer, more idiot-proof and secure for them. Risk and luck is part of life and I can't see any value in crying over the losers. Stop assuming the role of a victim. Move on with your lives....
Softer than white bread, huh. LOL
Zoomorph,
I agree.
The government doesn't give a rats ass about human life.
Here's evidence, right in Obama's back yard. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-07/news/chi-report-chicago-po...
I think your giving too much credit to the media's version of events. DO you think that the alleged internet searches regarding "suicide" could not be faked? Maybe you should reserve judgement for the creator, just sayin.
I don't believe anything the news tells us. I would not be suprised if this whole story is bogus.
If it is true then do not murder innocent people and children if you are unhappy. If the the plane was filled with Central Bank board members then it is a different story.
The best theorist on suicide that the World has ever been fortunate enough to have known is E. Durkheim UofChicago. Anomic, Egoistic, Altruistic Suicide. Anomie=normlessness in society, Egoistic=self-centeredness egotistical me first type of individual that does not care about others due to a lack of empathic understanding or maturity, Altruistic=people that will risk their own life to save another life with no measurable gain for doing so other than an altruistic motive. Lastly, read _The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness_ by Erich Fromm if you want to explore this universal destructiveness in human nature. Politically, the dude was a nihilist/sociopath that formed criminal intent and decided, planned, to suicide as many individuals as he could in order to establish his own notoriety, infamy, and sociopsychopathological self to the World before he was erased from history entirely, eh.
NOTE: These types of psychopathological individuals can be caught using the MMPI Personality Inventory and paying close attention to the 'sociopathic deviance' score that indicates their ability/tendency to lie or deviate from expectation of a baseline of behaviours that are known from the overall personality inventory taken. In brief, the system failed in this case because whatshisface co-pilot dude was tested with industry wide psychometrics such as the MMPI.
Yea and he looked up, "How to crash an A320 when no one is looking"
Well, one thing's for sure- the lawyers are already lining up for the 20 year long gravy train of billable hours.
I don't care about the asshole who crashed the flight. Tell me about the pilot. The guy who tried to kick in the cockpit door to save everyone. What's his name??? He's the guy I want to remember!!
Trying too hard.
you mean like that fake mark bingham guy on that fake fl93? Let's roll!
I still lease a Beemer.
Not to diminish his efforts but let's not automatically label him a "hero". One of the lives he was trying to save was his own. He, more than anyone on that plane, knew what was happening. The degree of fear and rage he must have been feeling would be difficult to get one's head around.
Always pee before boarding a plane.
Why didn't he just push the code on the key pad that is in forward galley cabinet.
You probably didn't know that aircraft has a special key pad where the flight attendants are so they don't lock themselves out.
Whats the matter the pretty talking box on the didn't tell you .
Did he fail to find any? Crashing an airplane into a mountain is not really a "suicide method."
Pretty ignorant to refer to this as a suicide. Premeditated mass murder is much more accurate. And there doesn't seem to be ANY links so far describing his relationship with his employer... Strange in that most work place violence stems from that connection...
...his relationship with his employer... Strange in that most work place violence stems from that connection...
Don't tell the "Dear Leader" of the USA, he evidently believes the perpetrator of the Ft. Hood incident clearly loved our "Dear Leader", he just didn't get along in his "workplace".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
"There’s nothing to mourn about death any more than there is to mourn about the growing of a flower. What is terrible is not death but the lives people live or don’t live up until their death. They don’t honor their own lives, they piss on their lives. They shit them away. Dumb fuckers. They concentrate too much on fucking, movies, money, family, fucking. Their minds are full of cotton. They swallow God without thinking, they swallow country without thinking. Soon they forget how to think, they let others think for them. Their brains are stuffed with cotton. They look ugly, they talk ugly, they walk ugly. Play them the great music of the centuries and they can’t hear it. Most people’s deaths are a sham. There’s nothing left to die."
— Charles Bukowski
-- "They concentrate too much on fucking, movies, money, family, fucking."
He left out "drinking" but not in his own life!
Drinking itself is a part of an authentic life. What's wrong with that? Isn't that one of ways of the Pursuit of Happiness?
"For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can’t readily accept the God formula, the big answers don’t remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command nor faith a dictum. I am my own god. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us."
— Charles Bukowski
"one would think that with ever more of the entire US airforce now on remote control, there should be a way to override pilot control remotely for commercial airliners as well"
Sounds like Scenario 9 11 when the baddies got control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5vIQn_PmsE
"Was Spanish Intel Team Specializing In Cyber-terrorism The Real Target Of Germanwings Takedown?"
Another episode of the infamous Crypto AG?
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=13190
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/27/350535/
Another version of the story that disagrees with the MSM and the Wall Street urinal.
jim stone
http://82.221.129.208/
FWIW tony, I think the press just mangled up the first bit of news on the FDR. The CVR/FDR units have a few distinct parts: the larger squared-off L-shaped orange casing or chassis has stuff like the power supply and holds other electronics like the interface boards. The memory for FDRs (or CVRs, for that matter) is actually in the orange soup-can sized unit called a Crash-Survivable Memory Unit (CSMU) labeled as a Memory Module in this picture for some reason. The smaller silver can attached to the CMSU is the locator beacon.
There are two black boxes they look for in a crash: the Cockpit Voice Recorder (already found) and the Flight Data Recorder (which they only found part of until now).
In a crash, the only thing designed to survive the impact is the hardened CSMU - hopefully with the locator beacon attached. All the chassis junk is unnecessary to read the memory in the CMSU after a crash, so they don't care how mangled that gets in an accident or if it survives at all. There are memory boards embedded inside the CSMU (also called memory modules), but there are nearly impossible to remove. The CSMU is basically an artillery shell casing filled with fire-retardant putty. You couldn't just unscrew a couple of bolts and yank the bare boards out. If you read the press reports literally, it almost sounded like someone disassembled the CSMU and removed the boards or they flew out as a result of the accident. Now I don't know for sure that that's not what actually happened, but it's nearly physically impossible because of the way the CMSU is designed.
The first black box, the Cockpit Voice Recorder they recovered was fairly intact. You can see the bent-up chassis and the scratched but intact CSMU with the silver beacon module still attached. The soup-can CSMU piece sits on it's end rather than on it's side on this model - that's just an older Honeywell/LSI design thing.
I think the early reports just used/confused the terms memory module or memory boards and meant to report that they found the FDR chassis without the CSMU attached. That would make sense and would square up with the recent reports that they have now found the 'memory module' = detached CSMU. Because of the way they're designed, I doubt that merely getting ripped off the chasis had any effect on the usibility of the data or the memory chips encased in the CSMU. Hopefully it's all there.
If, in fact, the memory boards/chips somehow came out of the FDR's CSMU and THAT'S what they just found, then that would be an entirely different and bizzare matter.
Of course, none of this shows up until AFTER... I thought all the NSA spying and tracking was to 'prevent' these acts of terrorism?
The cockpit door is the real winner.. Thos is begining to look faked and they, the powers to be, want it to look like that.. like the missing SSD. Got that tower 7 feel.
+1 for "Got that tower 7 feel"
I thought all the NSA spying and tracking was to keep track of the livestock and spot any that needed to be culled or pulled over for enhanced interrogation.
SSRIs strike again.
Like the WSJ has any Credibility...
Yeah. For sure he was looking how to lock the doors online. Sure. Because he missed the professional training, coz he was sick of unhappy love depression. Doz he also left a leaving letter on fireproof paper? Sure we will find soon!
It took them a week to falsify flight records, so today they could find it in da mountain.
Convenient scapegoat.
The fact that all the MSM outlets are pushing the "Lone Nut-Job" theme again; proves to me that he Didn't do it. Remote Control sounds far more plausible. Germany is pissing-off the EU as of late. Just saying.
It's all Japan drier for the MSM paint job, but careful not to add too much or it will not dry.
Being poor has now been criminalized, next up.....having a bad mood.
Seriously, just mix up some bathroom cleaner and garden fungicide, sit in your car for a while... No wonder he wanted to kill himself.
Anal infusion of about 250 ml of Bacardi 151 will give you a fatal dose of Acute Alcohol Poisoning. Mix with benzodiazapenes and barbituates just to make sure.
That is a much better way than killing any rescue worker "heroes" that open the car door and breathe that poison gas while attempting to save you.
breathe that poison gas...
I'll take your word for it. Evidently reading the comment section of ZH will now be considered as searching the internets for ways to commit suicide.
BTW, the directions for economic suicide are remarkably similar: anal infusions of frn 3B per day for 6 years into a stock market were thought to produce the same results.
jmo.
another SSRI related mass murder
Second Germanwings black box found
French prosecutors have confirmed that the second black box from the Germanwings flight 4U9525 has been found. Authorities hope to find more clues about the plane crash in the French Alps.
After the first voice recorder suggested that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz deliberately locked the plane on a collision course with the mountains, the second black could provide more information about the Airbus A320 that crashed in the French Alps last week, French prosecutor Brice Robin told reporters in Marseille on Thursday.
The voice recorder with the conversations between Lubitz and the pilot had been found shortly after the crash on March 24. German co-pilot took the advantage of the captain's absence to lock him out and set the plane on a deadly descent into the Alps.
The Flight data in the second black box contain readings from hundreds of parameters of the Airbus aircraft including any pilot commands.
The Germanwings flight 4U9525 from Barcelona to Düsseldorf crashed into the mountains at a speed of 700 kilometres (430 miles) an hour, killing all 150 people on board.
Meanwhile, German state prosecutors said a computer seized from 27-year-old co-pilot's home showed searches had been made on cockpit doors and their safety precautions as well as suicide methods.
"On at least one day, the person also spent several minutes trying out search terms for cockpit doors and their security protection," German prosecutor Ralf Herrenbrueck said.
German prosecutors have said Lubitz was diagnosed as suicidal "several years ago", before he became a pilot. He informed Lufthansa about his illness in 2009 after interrupting his flight training.
jil/rc (dpa, AFP)
http://www.dw.de/second-germanwings-black-box-found/a-18359190
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Hmmm. Why would he have to search the net for info about cockpit doors? He's a pilot. It would be part of his training. He should know more about that specific cockpit door than anyone on the internet. Sounds fishy.
yeah, a commercial pilot needs to search google on cockpit door security... yeah, sure. fake story, fake plane, fake people. end of story.
shorting the stock market would have been as effective, with the bonus of at least providing ammos for poor little HFT robots everywhere...
so I'm assuming that everyone here, who believes nothing of what the WSJ ever says, has suddenly decided that mainstream media is telling the truth about this. It's a weird pschological phenomena. It never fails to amaze me. They don't tell the truth about WMDs, 911, or anything else, but this time the media is surely right. they wouldn't fake a story like that, right? I mean, how could they do it? It's impossible, right?
Sure they found that. "Authorities" say a lot of things. Why believe anything we are told anymore?
MSM says he should have taken his meds. I say it is because of his meds.
No one knows exactly how SSRI's actually work in the brain.
Monkeys with razor blades and a corporate media that acts as drug pushers for big pharma mass murder suicide pills.
Caveat Emptor
MSM is on Big Pharma's payroll. Of course they're trying to capitalize on this situation by making the case for "more drugs".
Who knows? Every once in awhile they get the story right. Like a broken clock is right at least twice a day. What I'm wondering is how long did the passengers have to piss their pants before they hit the mountain. Eight minutes would be an eternity.
This is basically telling us:
"There will be no repeal of the Patriot Act"
Dem black boxes from the downed flight over Ukieland and in the hands of the limeys must be heavily encrypted. From the offset the stinking msm quoted 3-6 months to decipher.
The rotten house of orange ( dutch boer ) could not give a rat's arse about their sheeple.
FUCK EVERYONE TWICE, dust to dust, my mudda said to get things done - never fuck with major tom.
Where's Tony Wilson, he could explain dis better than i & i???????????????????????
what an asshole. he should have just killed himself.
Why do you believe that shit?
Do you really believe that shit?
I have a few small questions: How many of these aircraft have had the same type of problem? And who stands to lose if it becomes openly known? And isnt is easy to create a patsy? Are you aware that the two black boxes are located within inches on each other? Enjoy the questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BtquTKw78
Yea we got this new drug for depression, it can make you feel a bit better, but side effects are likely mass murder spree. Gee flew right thru FDA approval!
yes, and as a trained pilot he has to search da internet for info about the doors.
sure.
First he was as crazed Muslim Islamic terrorist then the media found out he was part of the tribe and then he became a drugged out psycho who researched killing himself.
Note to everybody including the tribesmen who read this blog. YOU ARE NOT IN THE CLUB !!!!!!!! Good luck.
The banality of the MSM
I call BS on the whole Made-for-MSM profile of the guy. Too many inconsistencies and contradictions.
Originally he was "living his dream". It went all downhill after that and no one asked cross-examination questions. E.g.
Why take out 150 teens, just to kill himself?
Why study Cockpit door design, when it's part of his training?
Why crash into a bunch of rocks, when he can take out people who trigger his alleged depression? Bankers, ploticians, bosses...
Why have a "stash" of AD drugs, when he can get them anytime and at very affordable prices, via his health care provider? No need for a "stash".
Why won't they talk about his "religious affiliation" and go out of their way to do so, when it's on his Payroll statement?
And what about the Booze Allen employee who died in the crash? Anyone else of importance or threat?
No, the whole thing stinks of a Deflect & Redirect talking points. Because the REAL REASON (whatever it is) has to be far worse than the crash itself. That is why they keep throwing all the noise and chaff into the media waves.
Given the nature of the MSM and its dumb clients, this is easy to do. As for the few who ask Awkward Questions, well, they can easily be marginalized and handled.
I think it all fits, so I have no idea what you're trying to conjure up. Typical of a suicide or even a homicide -- neighbors said he was a nice guy, always said hello, mowed his lawn. Just about every serial killer would be initially described like that. After some investigation, the real hidden life comes out. It's quite typical actually. Then you have the media and political authorities trying to cover up what they also know about the guy. His closeted gayness, his rage, his long term suicidal tendencies, wanting to go out in the blaze of glory (related by an ex-girlfriend). Really it's all there, nothing mysterious. And not a Zionist plot.
troll
As for the few who ask Awkward Questions, well, they can easily be marginalized and handled...
Present.
(this is the right classroom isn't it)
Fight against terrorism has gone full retard. If this cockpit - door story is true, then our governments have alreadly lost the war on terror. Why keep on wasting billions in trying to fight it. Spend the money on education in the slums and make a real difference. Build international schools in every Islamic shithole and teach modernism, enlightenment and progressive thought. Comes at a fraction of the cost that this stupid "war" is costing but MIC doesn't stand to benefit. Real solutions are never going to fly.
If the story is true, the engineers of this fail safe cockpit door system are idiots and the airline industry which signed off on the deal is just as idiotic. Nevermind the screening of potential suicidal pilots. If a guy goes through many years of training to only one day fly a full loaded jet into one of France's nuclear reactors, the wait is worth it for the terrorists.
But that never happens and the French authorities would never let it happen which is why this whole "co-pilot commits suicide mass murder" because cockpit door cannot be opened" is bullshit. Just like 9/11 and WTC7. The truth will never come out officially although both stories have more holes than all the Swiss cheese in Switzerland.
They knew of Lubitz' problems and he's Germany's Lee Harvey Oswald. Convenient patsy.
"...searched the internet on ways to commit suicide and on cockpit doors’ security measures..." Sure to be spun by the pre-crime enthusiasts to justify even greater digital surveillance of everyone.
http://olduvai.ca
It is odd that a depressed person would take the lives of others.
They would prefer to report that he was crazy than to say that he was a person in position of responsibilty who acted will planned intent to do harm. Likely it will be made illegal to suggest that he was in fact acting on behalf of terrorists. Or maybe there was somone special among the passengers.
Merkel announced immediately after the crash that it wasn't terrorism because Washington assured her it wasn't.
I'm not making this up.
Anybody can be "depressed". This guy was in another place. It wasn't a "thing" he was going through but a multi-year permanent state. Combine that with the cocktail of mind-altering big pharma crap he was taking and he was violently suicidal. He wanted to hurt others.
You are either on the wrong blog or you work for the people who created this made for tv movie.
I saw a photo of an idiot the other day. I'm pretty sure it was you.
What an asshole. All those doctors and Germanwings administrators who enabled this guy should be cursed as well. This was no surprise to them. Somebody was handing him that "mountain" of anti-depressants. That's where I would take the investigation.
He was physically quite fit. Seemed to be jogging alot. Does that level of physical fitness compute with the use of AD drugs? I always thought the user would be more subdued and calm. Quite the opposite of someone getting his ass out on the track and running for hours. Unless he was not taking the meds because he knew he wasn't really sick. He allegedly saw a multitude of shrinks over the years and nobody in his immediate circle had any idea that he was mentally not fit or at least that's what everyone says.
So, AD drugs and marathon? Hmmm.
AD drugs aren't going to make you fit or unfit. They work on your head, and with the possible exception of your liver, not your body.
They work on your mind. Guy training for a marathon cannot be using AD drugs. Taking steroids maybe or other performance enhancing drugs but to be on Zoloft and running 10 miles a day - FORGET IT
That's not really true. His immediate circle provided some telling detail especially one of his former girlfriends. He made explicit comments about "making a statement" and "people remembering my name". That's a typical utterance from someone planning to go out in a blaze of glory.
This guy was a "train wreck" (sorry, no pun intended) waiting to happen. Lots of people looking the other way. Lots of enablers.
That ex-girlfriend... a 26 year old Stewardess who spoke with "Bild". The same paper that says they now have a video from onboard the plane.
Bild is pure propaganda. Worse than BBC (WTC7 collapse annonced 30mins before it happened) but controlled by the same group.
There is a very clear motivation behind this entire story. It's all driven by the same media group to shape opinions and stir emotions.
French authorities made sure to release the initial intel to American news groups. The ball started rolling from there.
So obviously, this was Putin's fault.
"searched suicide methods online"
1) Nail guns
2) Shower curtain
3) Baseball bat
"searched suicide methods online"...
4) cartoon renditions of the prophet Mohammad
In all seriousness though, should we at least be thankful the 400mph aluminum tube was aimed into a high elevation mountain range and not at some more politically expedient and/or densely populated target?
co-pilot didn't want to kill any innocent lives along the French coast line or in more densely populated areas ... uhm, sure just the computer programmed flight path with one small problem. Computer couldn't pull the plane higher. So many holes in this story.
A320 is hated for being so damn programmed and so hard to navigate manually. The computer owns this plane.
You would think with the non existence of privacy that the NSA would track pilots and infiltrate their computers. The problem is that NSA tries to make EVERYTHING a priority down to the smallest nit and as a consequence has too much noise to sift through. You would think that doctors would have to notify the airlines as well as give a "note" to the pilot to give his employer. Doctors should decide if a pilot should fly not a for profit company.
They couldn't even dig up photoshopped pictures of the guy looking depressed. In every image I see.... the dude looks like he is perfectly OK with his life, and actually seems to be enjoying it. Funny isn't it....how every bit of 'evidence' supposedly supporting the official narrative.....is based on heresay or the word of some official 'official'? Or how every thing that is subsequently 'found' by the 'investigating authorities'.....supports the general thrust of the original storyline as first suggested?
From the moment this occurred, was there any doubt.....in ANYONE's mind here.....that it was going to be blamed on a lone-wolf psycho or terrahrizts? No discussion of the types of meds involved (if any).....no discussion of WHO exactly was on that passenger manifest, aside from the obligatory kids names and family stories.....used to generate more fear and clamor for 'mucho mas sekuritah, bitte!'
I'm sick of the whole thing. Giant festering pile of steaming, writhing, maggot-infested bullshit.
Suuuurrree he did. They also "found" one of the hijackers' drivers license on the street after 911.
Notice there is not one word about the pilot, except that he tried to break the door down.
Minority Report. You have to admit, this story can be used as a great excuse to send the MiBs knocking on your door when you start searching for "things" online.
Odd that officials report they will not be able to release any info about the MH17 downing until Oct and yet they had this one figured out in less than one day after no investigation.
I guess the public will believe anything dished out by the MSM.
Pilots are not dummies. Maybe he was intending to write a book or something like that and was researching FACTS.(although most people don't do anything like that) We don't know why he was searching for suicide and we don't even know that he was comtemplating it. Why run this guy's name through the mud before any concrete facts is presented? This whole thing is bullshit because it makes no sense at all and this guy is innocent until proven guilty. That is fact.
this guy is innocent until proven guilty. That is fact...
Let me guess, you are a fellow citizen of the USA. Unfortunately, that's not how most of the rest of the globe operates. In fact, even in theological terms, people are to be considered basically evil, but capable of doing / being "good". (Though this assertion is actually roundly denied by the modern evangelically minded "Christian" community.)
Media is talking about this topic too much... I can't trust them.
"There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." - William James
Remember who were the nations involved on the Minsk Agreement to solve the Ukranian war crisis... also this nations are joining the new BRICS bank. This countries "are" NATO's partners and allies from US.
This is more than a "terrorist" attack, and definitely more than an "accident". This might be, in my opinion, extortion or something like that to persuade States to take a side (or stay in the same).
If it had been one airline that came up with the idea of reinforced cockpit doors, and that airline had a similar scenario where a flight crashed due to a rogue copilot locking the pilot-in-charge out of the cockpit, can you imagine what would have happened to that particular airline? They would have been crucified! The .govvies would come after them with full force until the airline existed no more. They would confiscate capital, equipment and files. At the same time .govvie would use the MSM network news shows to condemn the hair brained idea of reinforced cockpit doors while calling for the prosecution of the airline's executives! They would make absolutely sure that no one anywhere would ever consider installing reinforced cockpit doors again.
But in reality it wasn't one airline that came up with the idea, it was .govvies around the world who mandated the idea. Let's see if the MSM calls for any .govvies to be prosecuted. Let's see if any of these .govvie agencies are put out of business. I'm waiting...
I'm a pilot for a well known European low cost airline and I think this story is bullshit. The fact that they find the CVR nad not the FDR when they are positioned next to each other is unbeilevable in the extreme, then they have the audacity, to say they've found several mobile phones but they cant find an FDR made of reinforced titanium! Also if you were going to kill yourself you wouldnt dilly dally around you would take out the autopilot turn off the 3 ADR's and put the aircraft into direct law and shove the nose down, you wouldnt select V/S -3000 and wait and breath normally into the mic! As has been stated before you would not have heard the voices in the cabin on the CVR, nor would you have heard the breathing of the First Officer. I see the mainstream media keep changing the story as now they are saying he had an O2 mask on hence the reason one can hear breathing, why the fuck would he have put an O2 mask on, there was no depressuristion.
Lets just evaluate the bullshit in this following article shall we:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11508250/Video-...
Right were do I start! Start the article from where it says: "Paris Match said the authenticity of the film was bolstered by a fresh transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, which an investigator recounted to the magazine."
1. The Captain asks Lubitz to check if the A/C has switched to descent mode. This is complete horeshit, the plane has just levelled off and would have gone into CRUISE mode.
2. "Alone in the cockpit, Lubitz then locks the door with the “lock” switch, and can be heard reprogramming the autopilot to accelerate the speed of descent to go from 38,000 feet to 100 feet in a few minutes." This is more bullshit, you would not be able to hear any "repogramming of autopilots on the CVR, it barely makes a noise.
3. The article says the aircraft starts its descent at 10:33 at 3000 ft/min and then at 10:34 "sink rate, pull up" can be heard, this is so wrong its unbeilevable, you dont get a sink rate until below 2450 feet above ground level as its a mode of the EGPWS system and at this stage the plane is at 35,000 feet!
4. At 10:37 we are suppsed to believe that "terrain terrian pull up" is spoken again by the EGPWS but at 3000 ft/min for 4 mins the plane is still at 26,000 feet, way above the terrain.
5. "The captain screams: “Open the damn door!” At 10.38am, “despite all the noise all around, one can clearly hear Lubitz’s breathing because he has put an oxygen mask on. He is breathing normally. The plane is at 13,000 feet,” writes Paris Match." Like I said before, there was no reason for the co-pilot to put an Oxygen mask on as there was no depressurisation and I believe the script writers changed this when it was revealed that the CVR would not pick up the breathing sounds. So at 10:38 they say the aircraft was at 13,000 feet, well 5 x 3000 = 15,000 so 38,000 - 15,000 is not 13,000 feet!
6. "At 10.40am, one can hear a “violent sound coming from outside. At the same time, there are screams inside. The Airbus has just hit the mountain with its right wing”." How do they know it struck the right wing first?! Plus again the CVR would not pick up screams from the passenger cabin!
7. "At 10.41, the plane hits the mountain at 5,000 feet flying at 500mph." Two things here at 3000ft/min at 10:41 the aircraft should have been at 14,000 feet some 9000 feet above the mountain tops. Secondly aircraft do not fly 500mph at 5000 feet. the airspeed is proportional to half the dynamic pressurre V squared. So at 5000 feet pressure is greater than at 38,000 feet so naturally you can not achieve high speeds at lower levels as the Indicated airspeed is similar to the True Airspeed, the reverse is true at altitude. As a result the highest speed at sea level is around 330 knots which is about 400mph. At higher speeds the AIrbus normal law protection kicks in which raises the nose of the aircraft to avoid the speed exceeding VMO + 16 or MMO + 0.04. So again this is bullshit, the plane would never hit this speed. Plus they had no way of knowing as they havent found the Flight Data Recorder! Finally at no point have they said that radar data has been available to cororbarate the "findings" off the CVR. So how on earth do they know what the rates of descent are and when the aircarft descended?!
How the fuck can they blame somebody with this kangaroo court of bullshit. There is nothing scientific in their ananylysis at all. To hang someone on dodgy CVR data is negligent and criminal, especially considering that the French BEA has barely even started its investigation. Like I said I highly doubt this is a real CVR recording for all the above reasons.