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What Would Happen If Martial Law Was Declared In America?
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
In recent weeks, there has been a lot of concern that an upcoming eight week military exercise on U.S. soil known as “Jade Helm” is actually a dress rehearsal for the imposition of martial law in this country. One of the reasons for the high level of concern is that we have seen a dramatic increase in the number of “urban warfare exercises” conducted by the U.S. military in major U.S. cities over the past decade – including exercises where “dissidents” are hunted down, arrested and hauled away. As our world becomes increasingly unstable, and as our society rapidly decays from within, many believe that it is only a matter of time before the executive branch will have sufficient excuse to use the extensive martial law powers that it has been accumulating since 9/11. When that day arrives, what will our nation look like? What would actually happen if martial law was declared in America?
Well, the first thing that you need to know is that the U.S. Constitution would be “suspended”.
In other words, you would suddenly have no rights at all.
There would be no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of assembly and you could be arrested at any time for any reason whatsoever.
For the duration of the “emergency”, the military would be in control. There would be troops in the streets, a curfew would almost certainly be imposed, and armed checkpoints would be set up.
If the “emergency” lasted long enough, we would probably see authorities go house to house confiscating firearms, ammunition and food supplies.
And perhaps most troubling of all, “dissidents” and “subversives” would likely be rounded up and imprisoned.
Perhaps you don’t think that this could ever happen in the United States in 2015.
Well, we do know that this is precisely what the FBI had a plan to do in the 1950s. The following is an excerpt from a recent RT article…
Documents show the FBI created a “Plan C” during the Cold War, which could have been triggered in the event the US underwent a nuclear attack. It included putting the nation under martial law, rounding up “subversives,” and interning enemy diplomats.
The documents, acquired by transparency journalism organization MuckRock, detail the FBI plan created in 1956, which was shared with several top officials from every governmental department. The FBI also distributed papers regarding the plan to its field offices. The plan would have gone into effect “after a war has begun in which the US is involved or may become involved and prior to an actual attack on the US itself,” according to the documents.
Under Plan C, martial law would be declared and the FBI would enact its ‘Emergency Detention Program,’ which entailed apprehending individuals whose affiliations with subversive organizations “are so pronounced that their continued liberty in the event of a national emergency would present a serious threat to the internal security of the country.” The document shows that as of April 1956, almost 13,000 people “were scheduled for apprehension in an emergency.”
Very sobering.
And we do know that the federal government had a list of at least 8 million names of people that were considered to be “threats to national security” back in the 1980s. This list was known as Main Core, and it is not known whether this list still exists today.
I have a feeling that it does, and that it is probably much larger than it was back then.
We also know that government documents produced during the Obama administration openly discuss rounding up “dissidents” and taking them to internment camps. Just consider the following example from Infowars…
A leaked 2012 US Army Military Police training manual, entitled “Civil Disturbance Operations,” described how soldiers would be ordered to confiscate firearms and kill American “dissidents.” The manual also revealed that prisoners would be detained in temporary internment camps and “re-educated” to gain a new appreciation of “U.S. policies,” in accordance with U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations.
So who would those “dissidents” be exactly?
In “72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered ‘Potential Terrorists’ In Official Government Documents“, I detailed how official U.S. government documents specifically identify those that believe in “conspiracy theories” as possible threats. Others that the government is concerned about include those opposed to abortion, globalism, communism, illegal immigration, the United Nations and “the New World Order”.
I wish that none of this was true. Go check out the article for yourself.
Another very disturbing government document talks about the need for the U.S. Army to prepare to battle political dissidents in “megacities” and to neutralize groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state”. Here is more from Infowars…
The U.S. Army is preparing to fight political dissidents who challenge the power of the state as “megacities” become the battleground of the future, according to a new report in the Army Times.
The article details how the Army’s Capabilities Integration Center (ARCIC) worked with US Army Special Operations Command, the chief of staff’s Strategic Studies Group and the UK’s Ministry of Defence earlier this year to wargame the future of armed combat, which will revolve around the neutralization of groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state,” a chillingly vague description which could easily be applied to political dissidents.
The plan foresees an unprecedented realignment of U.S. military strategy focused around putting “boots on the ground” in megacities to deal with “politically dispossessed” populations while relying on “more lethal and more autonomous” methods.
Very alarming stuff.
And if we did see martial law declared nationwide, it is likely that all elections would be suspended indefinitely.
That could also potentially include the 2016 presidential election.
Is it possible that Barack Obama could use his emergency powers to stay in the White House beyond his second term? There are some out there that believe that this could actually happen under the right circumstances. For example, check out what Dr. Ben Carson said during an appearance on the Alan Colmes radio show…
COLMES: What do you mean though when you say there may not be an election in 2016?
DR. BEN CARSON: There may be so much anarchy going on.
COLMES: Anarchy? So you really think we risk risking an anarchic America to the point where elections might be put on hold, or some kind of emergency is declared with such anarchy that there wouldn’t be a Presidential election in a couple of years?
DR. BEN CARSON: I don’t want to find out. I really don’t want to find out, I don’t want to continue down this pathway that we’re going down.
And the groundwork has certainly been laid for such a scenario.
During his time in the White House, Barack Obama has signed a series of executive orders that give him and his minions an extraordinary amount of power in the event of a major national emergency.
For example, read the following excerpt from an executive order that Obama signed in March 2012…
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
That sounds like it covers just about everything.
Basically, during a time of martial law all of the things that you take for granted today would be out the window.
You would have no rights, and the federal government would be able to do just about anything that it wanted to do.
If that sounds really bad to you, then maybe now you are starting to understand why so many people get upset when they see preparations being made for the eventual imposition of martial law in this country.
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"What Would Happen If Martial Law Was Declared In America? . . . . There would be no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of assembly and you could be arrested at any time for any reason whatsoever."
Is this a rhetorical question?
Martial Law in America?
I'll be screwed, as would most Hedgies, due to the stuff we look at and the comments we make.
Thought Criminals, we are...
Wouldn't be a whole helluva lot of change, 'cept it'd be Black Moose season nationwide, I guess...
We meet by the giant red oak in the forest...
Obozo - "Oh shit, they've already figured out how I plan to become El Pesidente for life!"
Whoops, this went to the wrong place...
Anecdotally, today in florida, 10 cops dressed in military style fatigues came into a Longhorn for beerski's and steaks after their shift...
For the first time (for myself at least), I saw four MRAPs driving down 101 South in San Jose last weekend. I didn't know they brought that shit out here - looks like it's starting.
A gun behind every blade of grass?
Welcome to Fightclub and Thunderdome....be careful what you wish for.
I am really getting sick of these scare-tactic "resistance is futile" articles. They seem to be growing exponentially.
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
Dear Michael Snyder,
Have you been alive for the past decade or so of invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan? Did you live through the Vietnam War? All of these scary fucking articles we are being treated to about martial law in the US are nothing more than a .gov psyop, to frighten ius into compliance. Troops on the streets? The MIC HAD TROOPS ON THE STREETS IN BAGHDAD; HOW'D THAT WORK OUT FOR THEM? The MIC had troops on the streets in Saigon. How'd they do?
You can go cower in your closet if that is your inclination. But an examination of reality might argue for a different reaction. Yes "they" can kill us all, but then there'd be no one for them to rule and rob, would there? They rely on our voluntary compliance. They're already having so much trouble recruiting that they're hiring foreigners to be cops, and the military has been recruiting foreigners for years.
The simple facts are these:
Grow a pair, for Christs' sake.
@SWRichmond, +100. Well said, brother.
Like a boss SWR.
All I know is that the 5-0 wouldn't want to come out here in the country. My neighbor gets a kick out of blowing shit up as often as possible. The amount of tannerite that guy uses needs to be measured in 55 gallon drums rather than in pounds. And I hear he has other armed neighbors too, not that any of us would know or even talk about it.
"Wolverines!"
Howdy neighbor :)
It would be lucky to go on for a week before all hell broke loose.
I thought the slaves in this colony were already under the law...?
Lock and load bitchez! :)
I hope fear mongers like Mike Snyder swing from lamp posts right next to the banksters.
TPTB do NOT want martial law, or an end to elections. They have control now, and the APPEARANCE of freedom is what is keeping the sheeple quiet. An outlandish show of force like that would accomplish nothing, and it would wake everyone up the the red pill truth. Subduing the sheeple with TV, video games and junk food works a lot better.
Fuck you, Mike Snyder. Please get cancer and die a horrible death soon.
I believe everyone is tired of Mike Snyder countdown articles on here, but i wouldn't wish death on him. He is no where near the criminal a banker, politician or an evil corporation is. But I do get your distress over these "bend over and take it" articles. I honestly don't know why he is linked so often on ZH. This site would be a lot better without his regurgitated lists. They say the same thing over and over without any clear thought or logic.
I wish I could upvote you 1000 times. Well, I just did unofficially.
: )
...whadaya mean......"....If Martial Law Was Declared In America?"
Don't look now.....it's already in place, just not yet officialized.
Word up there dawg....I live in a town of 300 people.....and we've got about 50 tanks.
We also have about a million rounds of 22LR.....in case you're wondering where it's all going....now you know.
Each of us here has a million rounds of 22LR. But that isn't going to hold up when SHTF. That's why we also have 50BMG!!!!
..and did Longhorn serve them?
As good a plan as any ...
For the tin-foil, panty wearing azzhats like Michael Snyder who believe martial law is a cake walk - the simplest of questions:
The list can go on and on ....
The "martial law" scenario is a liberal wet dream given creedence by imbeciles.
Could we come to civil war?
Absolutely ... and it will be short, ugly and make the worst of the genocides that have occurred in the last 40+ years look like a gentle Sunday afternoon asleep in a park.
And there won't be a Liberal left alive north of the Mexican border or south of the Canadian border when it's over.
I think the issue is that most of the sheep will stand down and comply, see: the watertown lockdown to find the boston bomber. That is what they are expecting...
I will be locking and loading and crawling around on my elbows with a knife in my teeth, personally...
American sheep are pretty easily controlled with TV and Hollywood. I would bet 70% of the posters here still watch TV and Hollywood's shit or frequent their theme parks like morons.
If you support it then stop complaining.
Victory over the mediaman is a giant step for most provincials. We must help them break free and not judge because it wasn't long ago we ( or at least myself) were entangled in the media web.
Under Martial Law would any of the millions of illegals be deported?
Deport 'em hell?
Hire 'em as personal Mercs!
So the boxcars with shackles are to deport illegal aliens?
Actually....now that makes sense.
Not sure Boehner is going to go for that....even with Pelosi's protection.
Deporting "illegals" under martial law? Wouldn't we all be in that same category? Same like the American revolutionaries once the line was crossed.
tom don't think boston bomber reaction to militarized police means a meek obeying public forever..no sane person unprepared should resist overwhelming force using the tactic of surprise..if martial law is in effect for any length of time, then overwhelming force and surprise becomes the tactic of resistance.
recently in DC a young mother caused a police vehicle to be destroyed on the road barriers buried in the capital street..and then a group of large men w automatic rifles shot her dead, she had no weapon other than a child in her car..these men did this murder on video ..to this day none have been held accountable..what we can learn from this is many security types are cowards and murderers and will kill any of us for the smallest of infractions and dis obeying them.
her name was Miriam Carey
Good point. And I think it's important to note that most of America is most certainly not Boston Strong.
The blue hives will comply with every mandate, because they're afraid of everything and look to big brother for their salvation.
Around my neck of the woods, not so much. I suspect that outside the urban hives, most people own and know how to use the tools of self-defense. And will defend themselves when the time comes.
From my perspective, the biggest challenge will be to organize.
You aren't already organizing? You don't do drills?
Out here in flyover country, it is happening regularly. These are reports I hear, at least. Not that I'm subversive in any way.
I love Big Brobama.
Watertown did not last long enough for the flaws to appear.
So this is your escape and evade tactic. What tactic will you use when you face off with 30 mercs?
Personally, i'm going to fire a couple of rounds to slow them down and then head toward my loaded canoe that will take me to my loaded plane which will get me to my loaded sailboat that will take me to my loaded private island. From there I will call in an airstrike using the loaded rebel spaceforce and strategically nuke them from low earth orbit. You could say my plan is more realistic.
How did the 1930s German population--probably more sophisticated than Americans today--allow their country to come under a martial law regime while waging war for continental/world domination on two fronts?
It's easy: you just offer good wages and benefits to those who will comply, and they will take care of the ones that won't.
I am Chumbawamba.
You know what you left out of the equation, Chumba ...
In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.
In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”
During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.
The ban in New York and Connecticut on "assault weapons" have been over whelmingly ignored.
Seems like America has a lot less sheep even today than Germany did then ... plus we have GErmany as an example.
That's sort of non sequitur to my point, which is that martial law can always be implemented. The people will police themselves. The part of humanity that has statist tendencies will happily police the ones that aren't until the ones that aren't finally tire of the affair and the blood starts to let.
I am Chumbawamba.
Which again references the differences between the Weimar Republic of 80 years ago and the America of today:
The Weimar Republic that spawned the Third Reich was the weakest government in Germany in centuries. It depended upon the statist tendencies inherent in the German culture to exist as long as it did. The Weimar Republic was a post economic collapse collection of incompetents and corrupt administrators - THEY did not impose martial law because the military would NOT have obeyed them. Hitler's rise was out of chaos that does NOT exist in America - WE are not pushing wheelbarrows full of dollar bills to the store to buy one loaf of bread.
The Nazis were built around a core of ruthless individuals willing to exploit government weakness while gaining support among the elites who longed for a return to the German feudal/statist structure of the past. My point is that if every German citizen had owned guns, it would have been possible, thought by no means guaranteed, that an effective counter resistance to the Nazis could have been established.
I have never known a member of the military, much less a LEO, willing to take on 100:1 odds for ANY reason - much less because a narcissistic fuck up of a momma's boy is TELLING them to do it.
The counterpoint is ever since Clinton started making MASSIVELY stupid statements about guns in 1993, there have been people in this country preparing to FIGHT back against the Liberals.
"The part of humanity that has statist tendencies will happily" be SHOT in the head the first time they do ANYTHING to assist in the policing of the ones that aren't.
With all the technology and resources and time they have today, police forces don't solve the bulk of murders - how are they going to do BETTER when going anywhere as part of the STATE is a guarnatee of drawing sniper fire?
Caveat for the morons: I am NOT in favor of this civil war because 99% of the people can't conceive of the chaos that will follow on afterwards. Regardless, it could easily start very soon - so some of the current morons running things better politically crucify Obama before things explode and they discover the guys guarding them with the guns will abandon them to look after their own interests.
The Small Arms Survey 2007 worked out "The largest civilian firearms arsenals for 178 countries", and - as you can imagine - the United States unambiguously ranks at #1, with the highest gun ownership rate, at 90%.
Small Arms survey calculated how many guns were owned per 100 citizens. And it's 90. Sure, it's not neccessarily divided up. One of those 100 could be a prepper, and he might have 60 hizzzelf, say.
90 guns per every 100 Americans ... so ... that gives the current population of 319 million American citizens ... a little over 287 MILLION guns. Essentially, 90 out of every 100 citizens are packing.
This is why they drill.
They've been stocking up the 'local' police with military-grade gear & weaponry for the past couple of years.
That phase is done. It's now time to teach the newly gifted all the many things their new toys can do.
So begins Jade Helm.
Not to turn this away from the political classes deep paranoia about us...but I happened to be in a small restaurant in central Florida a few weeks back and as luck would have it I was standing behind a guy in street clothes and one of those dark clad commando-style local sheriffs who the civilian had met up with for lunch.
So I'm standing there eye-balling his kevlar vest with side panels and he can feel my presence behind him, he turns and nods at me, I respond in kind and silence with a nod. He then assumes a more defensible position sideways, then facing me as his buddy completed his order, they leave, find a table, him with his back to the wall, I place my oder and sit at the table next to them.
It just so happens someone else is "eye-balling" him as well and approaches his table and starts talking about various local laws being passed concerning guns & ammunition, part of the discussion centered around his understanding that he can no longer "legally" have a rifle or shotgun in the rack in the back window of his truck and asks if this is now illegal and will he be pulled over for it?
This cops exact words were "Not by me" and went on to carry the conversation in the most pro-Second Amendment terms I have ever heard coming from a cops mouth, I found his attitude...shall we say, refreshing. And as the conversation continued I also learned he was also ex-military.
I guess my point is you never know when sizing up the opposition, they just may turn out to be an ally when the shit starts, if they can't trust their own within their ranks they're the ones in deep trouble, not us.
Good story. I believe that after the initial shock and awe of ML being declared, which should last a week or two, there'll be a shake out within enforcement. The hardcore assholes will relish the mission while anyone with doubts or a conscience will abandon it. What percentage of the military and police forces that will not follow these orders constitutes an unknown known.
In the current age, both police and soldiers are self-selected: no one is forced to become a LEO or a soldier. But when it comes to considering martial law, I would much prefer that the lower rankes of the military be filled with draftees.
I really think America should never have terminated the draft. (And that's not just because I was issued a draft notice in 1969 and want to 'get even'.) Having what are essentially civilians as the privates and corporals would put a certain limit to just what the military could do. It was, after all, domestic pressure from all the Moms and Dads that didn't want little Johnny to suffer lead poisoning that led to our eventual retreat from Viet Nam. True, our drafted soldiers did some nasty stuff over there once in a while, but those were just "little yellow people" (no, I'm not being racist; look at the US attitude toward Japanese during WW II) so it wasn't so bad (said I in a sarcastic manner). Whether a modern-day drafted soldier would be willing to oppress people that look like his parents or aunt and uncle is unknown, but I suspect there would be enhanced reluctance when compared to a totally volunteer army.
So I vote for reinstating the draft. This time, let's expand it to include women, and have it computerized to ensure no one is exempted. "What's that, you ask, Private Malia? Drop and give me 50!"
Well this guy was a volunteer, late 20's early 30's so he wasn't drafted but your point is well taken, more regular Joe's and less Rambo's are ultimately a good thing overall.
The flip side was these two burr-heads that had a young couple pulled over in a store parking lot, a couple of supreme dickweeds these two were. The couple (a Goth looking chick and a guy who looked around 18-20) were having their vehicle searched when I pulled up. You could see the one cop (probably no more than five years older than them) was workin on his Napolean boner complex going through the vehicle. I'm standing there watching them and all he comes out with is a knife.
He didn't find any dope (which is why they always attempt a search, profile much?) just the knife, so he makes this big production out of the blades length, impressing no one but himself with his authoritah ending with..."I'm gonna let you keep it."
I guess they heard me laugh at this bit of "law enforcement" shock & awe nonsense, a complete waste of time & effort as they all looked at me, so I just ambled off chuckling, got in my truck, took a sip of beer and left.
Takes all kinds to make the world go round, burr-heads will be cannon fodder in my opinion ;-)
To me.... I was thinking to myself during the Bundy Ranch standoff...... If these FEDs get in a gun fight with the militia..... what would happen if even 1% of Americans got mad enough to go packing to put the FED officers down?
That comes to almost 3 million angry guns going to Bundy Ranch..... Of course, that was not the spark but, what happens when we do have "the" spark?
I HIGHLY doubt that our govt. could do anything or mobilize fast enough to do anything but run for the hills at that point...... To invade Iraq... how many months and how much planning did it take to go in in 1991?..... How could the govt. react to millions of it's own citizens reacting overnight to something like that???.... Not to mention that there would be chaos in the military ranks to even think about going to shoot Americans.... it simply would not happen and, if even it could happen, they would not react fast enough to stop the citizens.
Hope to never see it happen but, that is how I see it from here.
According to my interpretation of Revelation 9:5, the five months there mentioned is interpreted as five years, and the five years refers to Nazi Germany 1934-1939.
Later verses of the prophecy then refer to World War 2.
By this type of interpretation, most of Revelation has already been fulfilled.
But most people think Revelation prophecy is still future.
Chumbles - they were respecters of law and order. Fake law, fake order. But it was voted on, passed, adjudicated and therefore real. After all the high courts said so.
They turned from God and wanted a King Saul. They got one.
Exactly.
-Chumblez.
Yea, they don't exactly have a perfect track record when it comes to simultaneously suppressing an entire population. People are already mad enough at DUI and safety checkpoints. Looking back at Iraq and Afgh. it almost entices one to oppose them.
The most these cub scouts have faced are disgruntled non-violent protestors. They haven't even seen a real riot. Let alone a REAL civilian army.
With the turnout for Ferguson, I can't imagine what happens when a National Guard Unit opens fire on a crowd today.
There are 90 guns possessed per every 100 Americans. And that's based on 2014 figures. Imagine that number's higher now.
Once live rounds have been used on citizens , the government has lost all legitimacy to be in power. Does not take a child to work out what will happen after that point has been crossed a few times over.
Indeed. Safety checkpoints will become a very unsafe work environment.
And anybody who's been abused by such won't have too far to go mentally to decide that such checkpoints need to be erased.
We aren't there yet, but we're alot closer than many hive dwelling TV watchers would like to admit, or are even capable of understanding.
..live rounds are being used against U.S. citizens daily already...
If you guys finally decide to purge the 'progressives' don't you dare stop when you hit our border. Keep on rolling right to the North Pole! Best way to be sure you got all the rot, is to just take the whole limb
Will this would be the first time that the Obummer did something constitutional?
"Martial law on the national level may be declared by Congress or the president. Under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, of the Constitution, Congress has the power "[t]o provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions." Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution declares that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." Neither constitutional provision includes a direct reference to martial law. However, the Supreme Court has interpreted both to allow the declaration of martial law by the president or Congress. On the state level, a governor may declare martial law within her or his own state. The power to do so usually is granted in the state constitution."
lol the duffer was commander and wookie was his name----sing along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfbAFgD2mLo
Doc=us
Johnny Ringo= .gov
Ironically, doc was .gov in that scene. Good one nonetheless.
you forget Doc's confession, "I guess my hypocrisy knows no bounds"
ZH'ers have nothing to fear...
Martial law in the US would end up like a lot of laws here... ignored. This country is armed to the teeth, and there isn't enough law enforment resources to effectively enforce ML in any real way.
People would pretend to comply and go-along w/ ML, but after a few weeks it's un-enforcibility would become obvious, and most areas (rural+many other communities) would begin to ignore ML altogether. Eventually ML would become a joke (like the terror alert levels that NOBODY pay attention to) and the rule of law would deteriorate to levels below the point before ML was declared. IOW, it would backfire.
I wish this were true. But as others have previously mentioned on this thread....they don't NEED an armed mercenary for every armed regular Joe. They just need enough of them to convince the HORDES of sheeple with statist tendencies (neolibs, neocons, and the vast legions of illegal immigrants who hail from full-blown corruptocrat totalitarian systems) that their best interests lie in helping police the Joes.
As they did in many such instances throughout history....they will happily do so again here. For the safety of da chilrenz, of course. Cuz Joes are inbred terrahrizt tinfoil hat nutjobs and stuff.
Americaaaa.......fuck yeah!!
No one knows how it will break.
Which is one reason for the ongoing drills: like muscle memory, the feds want local LEOs and Average Joes well conditioned to seeing unforms in the streets. It's normal to see MRAPs downtown, its normal to stay in your home whenever you're told to do so.
I do expect to see a 2016 election, though I'm not so sure re 2020. If, after years of controlling every financial firm in the country, and every "mainstrem" media outlet, TPTB still feel they have to go to overt martial law, I'd view that as a major sign of their own fear and weakness: something we all should welcome.
I'll even give serious thought to moving back to the USA, to take part in all the fun. I'm not much of a warrior, but I'm not bad at general subversion.
I don't expect to see too many MRAPS cruising around urban and suburban areas just to get the population accustomed to seeing them. Those suckers are heavy (up to 18 tons, I hear) and would wreak havoc on many roads. They also might cause many bridges to collapse.
Here's hoping we're still discussing this stuff on ZH two years from now.
I'd read 1984 one last time then put a bullet through my head
WINNING......
losing. A boy without a Mother.
Well, that's a waste of a good bullet. You could've killed someone important!
Quitter.
I'd be far more inclined to wait around a little and see what transpired.
It would be interesting (and very informative) to see just "who" bands up with "whom", and when "The Chips" are REALLY down, just who turns out to be "all hot air", and who turns out to be the unexpected hard-nut leader.
Personally I'd not be expecting too much from the Politically Affiliated, and as always there will be "directional guidance" from those very well-hidden behind the scenes (probably living FAR away from where the action will be).
Someone, somehwhere WILL have "insider information" and will profit handsomely. Rest assured those "someone"s will NOT be any of us . . . . .
The constitution has been null and void for sometime now. See - Senate Report 93-549.
It says in part:
"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.
These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law [hundreds more since 1973, particularly in the Clinton administration since Jan 21, 1993]. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.
Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."
Isn't that martial law for all intents and purposes?
I'm reading this right now:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/fairly-well-written-explaination-of-the-situation-we-are-facing-3129412.html
My belief is that the Executive Orders have only ever been applicable to United States citizens (i.e. members of the United States trust through registration with the Social Security Administration) and to territories of the United States, where "territories" is defined as "property" and the United States is the property owner (read the above). If the United States does not have ownership then its laws (or Executive Orders) do not apply.
In other words: it's all about that jurisdiction.
I am Chumbawamba.
Some thoughts on jurisdiction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIB7Gifs8QY
-Chumblez.
Building on what Mao said, he who controls the most firepower has the most jurisdiction.
Here is the definitive best reading on jurisdiction, Title 18 section 7. It isn't within any particular state. It's only a page and a half and says that 3 times.
@Chumbawamba - "If the United States does not have ownership then its laws (or Executive Orders) do not apply."
With all due respect, tell that to the man or woman languishing in prison for using a naturally occurring substance or breaking any of the hundreds of thousands of laws on the books at every government level. On some esoteric plane laws may not be applicable but that does not prevent Leviathan from pretending that they matter and enslaving and imprisoning those that break them. It's a great mental exercise until it becomes real and freedom is taken away.
Go back to The Civil (Banksters) War. The Red Shield was backing both sides. 1.1 American men murdered in a genocide. After the war "their people" invaded the south for fun and profit.
If we are to survive the coming banker war, WW III, we will need to Nationalize Industries & Sectors of the Economy, but they will probably wait till many businesses have gone bankrupt. I would think we need a National Oil Refinery, Food Source, Utilities, National Stock Piles.
But I know what you are saying.
If Fact the Strategy is used by States & County Governments in Seizing property in Traffic Stops as we have been hearing.
Power Exists upstream, Midstream, and Downstream.
It is just at the Local Level we can access the government.
Rubicon:
" Our sometimes flagrant disregard of the Constitution has not produced chaos or totalitarianism; on the contrary, it has helped us to grow and prosper..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constituti...
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to leave the room and go vomit.
What exactly does the articles' heading mean by "If"?
"If... if... if..."
My Drill Sergeant always had a good answer for "if"s...
"If my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle, stop asking stupid shit, deal with what's in front of you"
...there is a greater than 50% chance that the fudgepacker has been planning this all along & will implement this by early to mid fall 2016 - all the conservatives & Senator Menendez can just kiss ur azzez goodbye...
Our rights are not derived from the Constitution, they are simply recorded there and are not going anywhere; we are born with them same as our fingers and toes.
It's good to be King.
Until you've got pitchforks and torches at the gate.
Well, for sure, the S&P would gap up 100 points on the open.
There aren't enough troops to "patrol the streets" of every major city in America, and there certainly aren't enough troops who will follow orders when Americans start shooting back. Back to Infowars with this shit article.
Fantasyland. Not enough Americans will shoot back to matter; most will submit. Besides, untrained fat-assed office workers with hunting rifles are going to do fuck-all against modern military hardware. Think the military will stand down? History is not on your side.
yah yah, like those under equipped, under trained, little people in a small place you never read about. Vietnam. Think that modern military hardware can't be beat? That dumb fuck military couldn't win a war if everyone laid down in front of it's tanks. The commanders are all too busy jackin off to on the internet.
apparently you know nothing at all about guerrilla warfare. Every major military might, Egyptian, Roman, German, including USA, you name it they have all been beat and run out of town with their asses hanging out. It will happen again.
If you're seriously comparing tough, resilient rural people in the harsh environment of East Asia who grew their own food and kicked poisonous snakes out of their beds with fat accountants who would starve to death if the trucks stopped rolling you're living in a dream world. America is not going to fight back, and if they did they would lose. The psychopaths have already won.
Besides, be honest. I live in the rural midwest, where all of these gun owners that you think are going to stand up the the US military are at. These guys are way more likely to shoot a brown person for Jesus than to actually fight against the oppressors.
Where do people meet the caricatures they write about?
Uhhh.... Dilbert cartoons?
Huffpo, KOS, etc. have computers that generate the caricatures and disseminate them to spambots.
Something like 3% of the colonials took up arms against the crown and won.
You may be right about the fat accountants. Maybe you're one of them? Too bad for them and theirs, but would have no bearing on the outcome.
The self suffucient rurals don't need to kick no poisonous snakes out of their beds. The snakes are wisely, too scared to go near them. I see these people every day.
The bad-ass Donbass militias rose up out of nowhere. Most of these people were farmers, truck drivers and miners who did what they needed to do when push came to shove. Plenty of similar folk still reside in America and would do the same if it ever came to that. They just haven't gotten shoved enough yet. You just never cross paths with these people.
The FF's foresaw this. That's why there is a Second Amendment.
I too used to live in plastic land, by all appearances, quite successfully, but it bothered me every day. Until one day I moved out and to my surprise, found myself living among authentic, free people, harboring few illusions. They don't need to rise up because as I said above, the snakes, wisely leave them alone. The few law men are polite, even humble, probably because they like going home after their shift. I know, that doesn't fit the zionist wet-dream narrative about crushing all the people, but that's the way it is.
Well said. Until lambs become lions....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H07DuZQ-rLQ
Or the lions among the lambs "snap"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g
"Modern military hardware" got it's ass kicked out of Iraq and is getting the boot from Afghanistan. The modern military couldn't defeat a bunch of flip-flop wearing brown skinned heathen dirt farmers with 50 year old rifles. Yet somehow they're going to get serious against people that look just like them, speak English, and probably attended the same church?
And you might add, are well armed and shoot straight.
And who know that the fire extinguishers on Bradleys are next to the driver's hatch, and rear hatch, and fill the rig with halon....
If one in ten is succesful in taking out one bad guy, it won't be too long before the bad guys run out of recruits.
The numbers are not in their favor outside the disarmed pacisifictic and cowardly urban hives.
If they want to control those shitholes I coudn't care less. In fact I wish they'd just wall them off and keep the hive dwellers from migrating to free areas and spreading their poisonous ideologies.
I'm not so sure those urban hives will be all that safe, considering the violence demonstrated by black mobs on an irregular basis. Then we've got all those criminals that came to the US illegally and were returned to the streets by Holder et al. There are lots of folks willing to act lawlessly and violently, thereby providing a 'valid' excuse to suppress our rights.
The cities would give the "statists" the most trouble and a Hobson's choice:
Attempt to keep millions of unskilled L.I.V.'s "happy" with freebies - that could prove REALLY expensive
OR
"Take off and nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
So ... make sure you're NOT downwind of any major city.
The local cops and Nat Guard will control the cities. The Federal troops will control the interstate highway checkpoints. If a city gets out of control, they simply cut off the gasoline and food.
That's all they needed to do to Baghdad / Iraq, back in 2003.
If they didn't have hidden motives.
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Fixed it for you.
Stooge - you are correct. US law enforcement numbers/capabilities could never enforce ML for any length of time... ML would become an unenforcible joke w/in a few weeks, just like our 'terror alerts'.
"The Federal troops will control the interstate highway checkpoints." = I95 traffic jam from Miami to Maine
You cannot invade mainland America.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
- Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese Admiral
Well, "Nuke it from orbit".
Remind me again, just WHO provides the "lift" to the ISS these days ? ? ?
(Seems sanctions don't quite reach that far, do they ! :-) )
You don't need many troops. Most people will cooperate with Martial Law as the powers that be will convince them it is for their 'protection' or the people wiould just rather stay under the radar so they could live their lives.
It hapened in Germany and all the countries it invaded.
Human nature doesn't change. Revolution or huge battles for freedom on the ground are rarely fought by the citizens alone, usually an outside interest is there to help. Even in America's civil war each side had 'allies' helping.
"the federal government had a list of at least 8 million names of people that were considered to be “threats to national security” back in the 1980s. This list was known as Main Core, and it is not known whether this list still exists today.
I have a feeling that it does, and that it is probably much larger than it was back then."
OK, so if you're on ZH and always wondered if you were on a "government list" somewhere, you don't have to ponder about it any more. THAT is the list you're on.
We can all go home now.
I'm tired of paying to live . Something must change!
The $usd isn't the company store! The crash is coming, and I warned you.
My Wingmaster would clear the room...
Lesson #1 in warfare. > stay horizontal...
....the first thing that you need to know is that the U.S. Constitution would be “suspended”
Apparently we already have martial law.
Didn't they make a movie about this? I feel like I've seen Bruce Willis play this part before.
Yes. And Yes.
Wonder if that faggots aunt still will be making 7k if we get martial law.
oh, they will coat this whole tyranny with a -helping hand- cover.
And the answer is: http://oathkeepers.org/oath. There are more than you may think...
There's a standing army of half a million young boys with guns indoctrinated and ready to kill brown people. The SS has shown that you need only a small group of hardcore loyalists to sow enough terror that people will not rise up.
Ruby ridge on every corner in the USA? Possible?
I guess you don't see the hypocrisy of serving FED.GOV while swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution.......
On that note, there are a few that play along. Talk the talk, but when no one is listening they will tell you how they really feel. I suppose what it really comes down to is how many Sheriffs will go along with it?
I'm just waiting for "Hundred Heads Life and Casualty" to pay out on Mike's paid up policy.
I've always contended that any "Revolution" would last about a week before we got bored with it and moved on. During football season it would be M-F Heavy Warfare followed by Intense negtioations and Peace-Declared on Sunday at about 9 AM....leading right into pregame and a Doritos Commercial about the struggle..and New "Rajun-Destabilization" Blend Spicy Chips........
Like Occupy.
I thought occupy was about urban camping, drug use, shitting on police cars, and raping women?
That's what I was told by the MSM.
Otrader - those three posts above you, finishing off with Bumbum Sauce, look like a coordinated, troll-squad, strafing run. The first one, Budnacho, "Living the life in the land of Lincoln", has been here for a week.
Don't be so fucking retarded you moronic cunt.
he left out the 'stinky hippy' part.
And the part about the Tea Party being white racists.
thanks for your honest reporting MSM.
What the F*ck is football? Oh, that ball on my foot when I squat to aim! Never watch it, eyes on the target!
No need to declare martial law - the US is a fascist, police state. The NSA spies on everyone include the Supreme Court, Congress and White House. Your president can imprison you forever without trial and even assassinate you without a trial. The police is highly militarized now and US cops kill US citizens at a rate 70 times higher than other first world countries. The DHS with its budget of $60 billion does a good job terrorizing the populace. Eat your GMO foods (93% want GMO labeling but it is denied them) and drink your IQ-lowering fluoridated water. US has 4.4% of the world's population and more than 25% of its prisoners. The media is completely controlled. The fake financial markets of the US are run by a corrupt, criminal cabal at the Fed. Everyone knows that 9/11 was false flag but nothing will ever happen to the criminal perpetrators.
If you paid attention, you would know that we have had de facto martial law since at least 9/11.
"Everyone knows that 9/11 was false flag".
Everyone? I would guess less than 10% think it was a false flag. I've looked for surveys done about this and the most I saw was one at 7% back around 2007.
If "everyone" knew it, even the MSM would talk about it.
Surveys on this topic are not allowed in the MSM, nor is much other coverage. That should tell you something...
http://www.infowars.com/nearly-90-percent-of-germans-do-not-believe-offi...
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job Man who blew the whistle on Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossadhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/ex-italian-president-intel-agencies-know-9-...
While I agree the percentage is small I think it would have to hit 98% for this controlled media to acknowledge it
Was it a gallup poll? Or, some other Zato powered polling house.
Logged in to upvote your comment. I have views that are similar and I'll bet many Fox news watchers challenge your p.o.v.
The sheep of course will go willingly into the FEMA camps but the true souls will fight. How many? that remains to be seen...
The ones who fight will get their asses handed to them. Better to go underground.
I know! It'll be just like Afghanistan.
What can a bunch of untrained farmers do against the mighty Redcoats, eh?
Everyone would stay in their homes like told or get arrested is exactly what would happen.
For clues how they think and what we can expect, just read the protocols of the leoz.
If anyone here thinks the national guard will not do exactly as told has another think coming.
What IF Jade was just to Desensitize a new Generation of Soldiers, Airmen, and Sailors??
Biggest Problem with US Military: They know from long Tradition that they are not supposed to be used as Police, and the Bonus Army learned this all over again in Washington DC in the Great Depression
Strategies have to be in place over long term... 10-20-30 years to remove Peace, Anti-Military, Anti-War, Anti-Government, Anti-Watergate, Anti-CIA sentiments:
- First Exercises can be conducted on Bases and overseas
- Then Exercises can be done in US Cities, US Rural Areas, US Suburbs, US Installations stateside like Zombie Style
- What is next? What were the Goals?
- Young Enlistees arrest, Search, Detain, Disarm, Quarantine, Imprison, mount major operations against whole populations
- Military Doctrine is Accepted, becomes Tradition, Later Becomes Law
There is a logic to Government Positions, but normally there are Lawyers who argue against these actions. The BAR Association is Silent on all US Constitutional Rights. The BAR Association Never SPEAKS OUT Against other Lawyers who take away US Constitutional Rights... This is a problem.
There is no Lobby or Body that Defends the US Founding Documents like the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution.
I'm Sorry. There just isn't.
Train like you oppress, oppress like you train.