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What Would Happen If Martial Law Was Declared In America?
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
In recent weeks, there has been a lot of concern that an upcoming eight week military exercise on U.S. soil known as “Jade Helm” is actually a dress rehearsal for the imposition of martial law in this country. One of the reasons for the high level of concern is that we have seen a dramatic increase in the number of “urban warfare exercises” conducted by the U.S. military in major U.S. cities over the past decade – including exercises where “dissidents” are hunted down, arrested and hauled away. As our world becomes increasingly unstable, and as our society rapidly decays from within, many believe that it is only a matter of time before the executive branch will have sufficient excuse to use the extensive martial law powers that it has been accumulating since 9/11. When that day arrives, what will our nation look like? What would actually happen if martial law was declared in America?
Well, the first thing that you need to know is that the U.S. Constitution would be “suspended”.
In other words, you would suddenly have no rights at all.
There would be no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of assembly and you could be arrested at any time for any reason whatsoever.
For the duration of the “emergency”, the military would be in control. There would be troops in the streets, a curfew would almost certainly be imposed, and armed checkpoints would be set up.
If the “emergency” lasted long enough, we would probably see authorities go house to house confiscating firearms, ammunition and food supplies.
And perhaps most troubling of all, “dissidents” and “subversives” would likely be rounded up and imprisoned.
Perhaps you don’t think that this could ever happen in the United States in 2015.
Well, we do know that this is precisely what the FBI had a plan to do in the 1950s. The following is an excerpt from a recent RT article…
Documents show the FBI created a “Plan C” during the Cold War, which could have been triggered in the event the US underwent a nuclear attack. It included putting the nation under martial law, rounding up “subversives,” and interning enemy diplomats.
The documents, acquired by transparency journalism organization MuckRock, detail the FBI plan created in 1956, which was shared with several top officials from every governmental department. The FBI also distributed papers regarding the plan to its field offices. The plan would have gone into effect “after a war has begun in which the US is involved or may become involved and prior to an actual attack on the US itself,” according to the documents.
Under Plan C, martial law would be declared and the FBI would enact its ‘Emergency Detention Program,’ which entailed apprehending individuals whose affiliations with subversive organizations “are so pronounced that their continued liberty in the event of a national emergency would present a serious threat to the internal security of the country.” The document shows that as of April 1956, almost 13,000 people “were scheduled for apprehension in an emergency.”
Very sobering.
And we do know that the federal government had a list of at least 8 million names of people that were considered to be “threats to national security” back in the 1980s. This list was known as Main Core, and it is not known whether this list still exists today.
I have a feeling that it does, and that it is probably much larger than it was back then.
We also know that government documents produced during the Obama administration openly discuss rounding up “dissidents” and taking them to internment camps. Just consider the following example from Infowars…
A leaked 2012 US Army Military Police training manual, entitled “Civil Disturbance Operations,” described how soldiers would be ordered to confiscate firearms and kill American “dissidents.” The manual also revealed that prisoners would be detained in temporary internment camps and “re-educated” to gain a new appreciation of “U.S. policies,” in accordance with U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations.
So who would those “dissidents” be exactly?
In “72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered ‘Potential Terrorists’ In Official Government Documents“, I detailed how official U.S. government documents specifically identify those that believe in “conspiracy theories” as possible threats. Others that the government is concerned about include those opposed to abortion, globalism, communism, illegal immigration, the United Nations and “the New World Order”.
I wish that none of this was true. Go check out the article for yourself.
Another very disturbing government document talks about the need for the U.S. Army to prepare to battle political dissidents in “megacities” and to neutralize groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state”. Here is more from Infowars…
The U.S. Army is preparing to fight political dissidents who challenge the power of the state as “megacities” become the battleground of the future, according to a new report in the Army Times.
The article details how the Army’s Capabilities Integration Center (ARCIC) worked with US Army Special Operations Command, the chief of staff’s Strategic Studies Group and the UK’s Ministry of Defence earlier this year to wargame the future of armed combat, which will revolve around the neutralization of groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state,” a chillingly vague description which could easily be applied to political dissidents.
The plan foresees an unprecedented realignment of U.S. military strategy focused around putting “boots on the ground” in megacities to deal with “politically dispossessed” populations while relying on “more lethal and more autonomous” methods.
Very alarming stuff.
And if we did see martial law declared nationwide, it is likely that all elections would be suspended indefinitely.
That could also potentially include the 2016 presidential election.
Is it possible that Barack Obama could use his emergency powers to stay in the White House beyond his second term? There are some out there that believe that this could actually happen under the right circumstances. For example, check out what Dr. Ben Carson said during an appearance on the Alan Colmes radio show…
COLMES: What do you mean though when you say there may not be an election in 2016?
DR. BEN CARSON: There may be so much anarchy going on.
COLMES: Anarchy? So you really think we risk risking an anarchic America to the point where elections might be put on hold, or some kind of emergency is declared with such anarchy that there wouldn’t be a Presidential election in a couple of years?
DR. BEN CARSON: I don’t want to find out. I really don’t want to find out, I don’t want to continue down this pathway that we’re going down.
And the groundwork has certainly been laid for such a scenario.
During his time in the White House, Barack Obama has signed a series of executive orders that give him and his minions an extraordinary amount of power in the event of a major national emergency.
For example, read the following excerpt from an executive order that Obama signed in March 2012…
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
That sounds like it covers just about everything.
Basically, during a time of martial law all of the things that you take for granted today would be out the window.
You would have no rights, and the federal government would be able to do just about anything that it wanted to do.
If that sounds really bad to you, then maybe now you are starting to understand why so many people get upset when they see preparations being made for the eventual imposition of martial law in this country.
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"There is no Lobby or Body that Defends the US Founding Documents like the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution."
That's supposed to be every citizen's duty.
Yes, I get hung up on people that cite (link) their own material as a source. Natural News pulls that bullshit all the time.
#DebbieDowner
It might look good on paper. But some things dont scale well.
Obama is incapable of organizing a neighborhood. The military will quit, the sheeple will stampede. There will be chaos so keep your shit together so you are not the problem. The MIC will be looking for the problem.
in the time of coming false flags
remember the uss liberty
then remember the the nukes stored in israel embassy for bond style samson option blackmail
south african or ukrainian nukes it will have to be for the trace footprint
silly and obvious to use dimona kosher fatboy big bangs
Tony the jew hatr is der herp f
uny.
Herp a derp,
Some people are convinced the West, i.e the USA and Israel are preparing a mega false flag, the kind that secures their absolute dictatorship over America for ever. Many people believe this will involve a radiation or nuclear style weapon, something that can be pinned on Iran or some other suitable patsy. Who benefits is the key question. I personally do not put anthing past the Zionist cabal in Washington, they are ready to do anything to secure absolute powers.
Along with some pretty heavy-duty "Population Reduction", to bring those pesky "Unfunded Liabilities" back under control.
Back to the age of "Work or Die" - and for the majority Continental USA might be no better than the World's largest "Poor House", where living / working conditions would make today's Chinese Microelectronic "Sweat Shop" factories / dormitories appear almost Utopian!
We complain about overt (and covert) "Wealth Transfer" now. If your suggestion comes to fruition, the extent of "asset-reallocation" will resemble the very worst of Mediaeval Feudalism!
They won't be able to pull it off. The people will go along with it for a short time, but if it lasts more than a few months people will see it as a coup and it will be the end of federalism. I think the country will break into smaller parts by region. National Guard units won't go along with orders from Washington, DC and will end up fighting the regular army. The real danger will be foreign nations interfering with a weakened federal government.
Agreed, it would last for about 2 weeks tops before you'd see mass willful disobedience.
The regular army would wind up fighting the regular army.
You hit the nail directly on the head.
Anecdotally, today in florida, 10 cops dressed in military style fatigues came into a Longhorn for beerski's and steaks after their shift...
Strategic thinking was never really a strong suit of the bureaucrats in DC. Fucking pathetic. This reads like a bureaucratic plan put together by a fucking central committee of ass lickers.
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, the asswipes in DC could not even tie their shoes without permission and a form in triplicate. The only question left to answer is, who do they need permission from? Answer that one, and you've solved the whole problem.
"What Would Happen If Martial Law Was Declared In America?"
I'm going to load my guns and kill a lot of wastrals?
First thing that popped into my head...
Not sure who will enforce the martial law when citizens start attacking soldiers families. All soldiers will go home to protect their familes.
I was in a big earthquake once. Every business had an action plan for disaster that was practiced once a year or so. When the quake hit, everyone took off to find their children, see if the home was still standing, etc.
Martial law will be widely accepted and supported. The people will be heavily juiced up on Media mind games. If Boston was a guide, people will be cheering the troops as they enter their cities and towns. Offering coffee to the troops doing house to house search and confiscations. Lets face it, 30 years of media preparation and public non-education, has left most Americans too ignorant of the issues and too patriotic to complain, as long as a godd enemy has been thrown in their faces to worry about.
Meh, there's enough discontent within the ranks, not to mention disillusioned vets, minorities who resent authority, and whites who don't want to be told what to do at the business end of a gun. No, they've learned that the best way to control the masses is very slow, deliberate movement.
A couple of flase flags, credit crisis and people will fall in line. Everyone will be glued to the TV and talk radio.
Misfire.
Re. "No, they've learned that the best way to control the masses is very slow, deliberate movement."
The NSA monitoring the pulse of the nation tells them when the frog starts to notice he's getting boiled, so they can back off a little when necessary.
“When You've lost it all....that's when you realize that Life is Beautiful"-Nikki Sixx
All plans look good on paper until that first shot is fired. Then all bets are off.
Or, as we used to say in the service, "No plan survives first contact"
Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face. - Mike Tyson.
All plans look good on paper until that first shot is fired. Then all bets are off.
On the plus side the mexican border would be shut tighter than a jews wallet
On the plus side the mexican border would be shut tighter than a jews wallet
Two Jewish businessmen were discussing insurance. "You need fire insurance, burglary insurance and flood insurance" said the first Jew.
"The fire and theft and burglary I can understand," said the first Jew, "But flood insurance? How do you start a flood?"
All you American armchair warriors make me laugh. Spruiking yourselves up with false bravado about how it'll never happen. That there would never be enough troops to go around to enforce martial law, or that the 'Citizens' would put pay to martial law after a short but ugly fight. Ha ha ha. That's probably exactly what every other oppressed population thought right up to the point the 'Re-education' agents turned up at their doorstep. You need to get a grip on reality. You're deep in the fucking shit and mouthing off on here about bringing down the military junta with a cupboard full of hunting rifles and some tins of baked beans isn't going to get your anything other than a small few moments of self-calming ignorance.
But don't worry, the rest of planet earth will be looking in at you guys from abroad amazed that you were too fucking dumb to see it coming.
Spruiking is probably a bit to Aussie colloquial to be much understood here
Common "Down Under" but originally Afrikaans.
At least we have guns to protect ourselves with here, "mate". You Aussies would be the first to roll over.
Guns and a Vietnam / WW2 mindset. Against a Military with the highest budget Globally, so very much C21st weaponry and technologies.
"They" don't need soldiers, "They" have ROVs / UAVs, all piloted by spotty little oiks in comfortable offices - who won't ever face the unpleasantness of "hand to hand" combat, preferring the "game like" virtual battlefield.
One has to wonder whether these increasingly "photorealistic" Combat RPG games may be more than "just a game". How difficult would it really be to have our generation of real "Armchair Warriors" fighting Real (i.e. flesh & blood) enemy combatants - yet seemingly within the confines of a modern photorealistic "Wargames" package, especially a package marketed at the "Kill the Insurgents" Gung-Ho mindset??
Any thoughts, anyone?? Practicable now, or is this still just a twisted "future World" fantasy idea??
Can't believe you're getting so badly junked. You're right.
Right about what? If he were right, they would have done it by now.
You have access to their schedule?
"They" will do whatever "They" wish at a time of their choosing, which will be the time when "they" gain most benefit, for the least risk.
Bahgdad Bob thinks he knows what he's talking about because AUS has already been done.
Whoever promises and delivers food stamps and cheap entertainment will win the hearts and allegiance of the American people.
Three percent fought the Brits to a victory In 1778.
Three percent today is 10 million armed Constitutionalists.
Cheney and Obama would be hunted down by 3 percenters
With a GREAT DEAL of French assistance . . . (The French always having an axe to grind against the Country they conquered in 1066, then ruled (under the Plantaganets) for 300 years more).
This time you'll have NO overseas help. You WILL however, have all those Countries you've disadvantaged over the years, lining up to "get their own back", so the outcome this time around may be very markedly different, nuclear weapons or no nuclear weapons . . . .
Your post makes no sense. How are you so sure there would be no help? The pissed off people outside have a beef with the deep state, same as any Constitutionalist.
The "Pissed off People Outside" have a beef with AMERICA, chum.
And they have VERY long memories of American Imperialism / abuse / "Regime Change".
So, as I said, don't expect anyone else to "help you out". Rather expect EVERYONE else to plan how "they" can get their hands on "bits of America-that-was", as restitution for real (or perceived) American wrongdoings against them, or as just plain old opportunism.
The list is very long. Start with all those Countries you've "liberated" over the past 50 years, even Britain (remember who funded NORAID during "The Troubles"??)
Blue helmets, or whatever they wear, make good targets.
Most are getting pretty sick of shipped-in foreigners anyway, so anyone that wants to become a mobile resupply point is welcome to enter.
Takes a lot more skill to hit a deer on the move than a fully-laden biped, and even high-tech warriors need a place to sleep...
What would happen? Look up NSPD 51 - National Security Presidential Directive #51 - it pretty much lays out everything that would happen (suspension of the Constitution, suspention of Human Rights, Property Rights, Termination of all elections, All power vested into the Executive with suspension of the Legislative and Judicial branches, all property confiscated by the government, etc, etc)
History, especially Russian history tells you exactly what happens when a population gets nailed down by a totalitarian regime. The people are turned againsts each other, and in order to save their own skins will turn in anyone who the regime deams a threat. You guys in the US had a taste of it during the cold war under Hoover, every dissident was a Commie, remember?
The "Reds under the Bed" Macarthy era.
Memorable for all the wrong reasons.
Take a look at this local news video of the Bundy Ranch showdown from a year ago last April and tell me if you think these guys are gonna get "nailed down" without a fight.
KLAS TV
Interview with sniper @ Bundy Ranch showdown
More KLAS interviews militia
For those of you like Bahgdad Bob that may have missed it, here's video of the Feds militia showdown on I-15 in Nevada.
America is not Australia.
The one year Anniversary is the following weekend (April 10th -12th). I plan on going again, as I've been invited. Greatest bunch of Americans, I've ever been around. And last year, a whole bunch of us, showed up, voluntarily. Nobody asked us to go, we saw the need and we went. That's the crazy biker dude from Frisco, who rode all night on a motorcycle, with only a blanket strapped to his bike, showing up next to my camp site at 2 AM. The retired Aussie Police Chief and his wife, who rolled up in a rented car at 7 AM and the blue collar guy, pulling up on a Harley Davidson Electra Glide a half hour later at 7:30. We stood around in the chilly morning air, the Sun already climbing and we were brothers. There were many more, who I'm sure 'almost went' and we're just waiting for things to escalate. I'm telling you, that gut feel that I had took me by surprise. I had to go. If I wouldn't have, I would've been sorely pissed and disappointed with my self. The Bundy Ranch incident, at one point, as I was tracking Google results, hit 86 million views! Don't discount the American Citizen, just yet.
Thanks for the downvote loser! I hope I pissed you off too! At least I did something about it, I went. WTF, did you do, loser?
I think most folks in the military are patriots and would obey their oath to protect the Constitution, but, on the other hand they have not done such a swell job as of yet.
I've been in the military. I assure you the half-wits that make up the bulk of the armed forces (who are there for economic reasons) will do exactly as they are told.
+1 been there, seen it. They need the paycheck and do not want to end up in Leavenworth. They will definitely do as they're told.
So nobody fragged any higher ups in Nam because they were all doing what they were told.
"In 1970, in addition to Tate's murder, the U.S. Army reported 209 cases of fragging."
http://www.historynet.com/the-hard-truth-about-fragging.htm
Members of the military quickly realise that in these unusual circumstances they have an undue amout of power, and thats where the corruption sets in, summary executions, rapes, confiscation of property, etc, etc, etc. They will be the very last people to step out of line, and any that do will end up being herded into the nearest football stadium along with the rest of the miscreants. All the years the US supported military juntas around the world, and especially in South America did not teach you guys much did it?
BTW, next time you drive by your local Football stadium, just look at how effective a prison that place is, and wonder if that could be your last resting place.
"They" don't need to enact martial law. Just push for read ID, electronic currency, and then you got all of America by the bollocks. Think it's bad now? Just wait a minute.
Precisely. No need for martial law, that would be counterproductive. It is important to maintain the illusion of freedom.
Bingo, gotta keep the dance on the razor's edge. Keep hacking away at true liberty at a pace that doesn't upset the awake. The awake are the producers. They keep the money flowing into the coffers of the government. They may be psychopaths, but they know where the money comes from. They love to agitate the shit out of you while taking from your labor.
How could you tell the difference from today?
Don't 'mate' me. I'm not your mate. Neither am I an Australian.
Contrary to what your media has most likely brainwashed you into thinking, the U.S. isn't the only country on earth were the population has reasonable access to firearms.
My point is, none of you will be brave enough to use them. That's exactly why you vent your anger on here. You know it's coming, but you also know you won't do a tiny thing about it.
The day one of you fat lazy fuckers actually marches onto Capitol Hill to claim your country back is the day I'll eat my words. Until then enjoy your GMO enhanced pink slime in the FEMA camp of your choice.
Yeh your an Aussie, no one else, but no one, uses the word "Spruiking" but Aussies.
Afrikaans. Please see above.
And stop being such a touchy little fella mate, you are making a tit of yourself
GMO enhanced pink slime in the FEMA camp of your choice?
LOL! Something to work on...Transgenic moo meat that produces more tissue for rendering into pink slime...YOu are on to something! ;)
Relax mate, you're obviously projecting on us. You're quite certain about the lack of everyone else's testicular fortitude; I'm guessing you're the one lacking in that department.
As for "Testicular Fortitude", Joan D'Arc and Margaret Thatcher seemed to do very well without, didn't they . . . . . . .
BB makes a point. Most resistors will chicken out, and right quick. The key factor will be how conservative states respond to the imposition. If top to mid-level officials are on board, it's game over before it begins and the reason it works is simply because everyone has family, jobs and forms of debt. Many will be lulled into the soft crooning of 'it's only temporary', and 'the government knows what it's doing. Besides, those conservatives are batshit crazy so my lot is with Obama'. No?
America is too divided along racial, political and religious lines. We'd much rather fight each other than stand united and resist the govt. it's been prepared, america has been condition already.
People fight when threatened because they have family.
"My point is, none of you will be brave enough to use them. That's exactly why you vent your anger on here. You know it's coming, but you also know you won't do a tiny thing about it. "
bravo
When you say "none of you" will fight, if you are talking about posters on ZeroHedge, who knows, you're probably be right. If you mean no Americans will fight the imposition of overt martial law, I think you are wrong or fantasizing on behalf of the PTB. Scroll up and look at the Nevada videos.
It isn't coming , it's been here awhile already. Shelter in place while we barge into your house without a warrant because someone blew up a pressure cooker? Really? We have the government and police and uncivil servants we allow to be paid.
IRS bonuses ? Really? How many billions in unlawful refunds did they pay to prison and jail inmates and dead people' last year .
How many dead veterans waiting on health care services while administrators falsified documents and were paid performance bonuses?
How many billions in false claims paid in Medicare and Medicare last year
My hometown is in SW Michigan though I no longer reside in Michigan. For over a year and a half a large commercial construction contractor had a marquis type sign on the highway for all positions for help building a FEMA camp. My brother in law went in and asked to apply and asked a couple too many questions and they told him most positions were already filled.
I saw the sign several times on a half dozen visits over the that year and a half. I thought it was someone just having fun at that company until I mentioned it to my brother in law and he told me he had looked into it.
We're there people. What you going to do?
Thought so. Good weekend to all.
Americans are already under martial law if you consider that they are subjected to Fox News, Obama, the Federal Reserve, constant surveillance, cops gone feral and the like.
In other words the frog has been in the put for quite a while but just hasn't noticed as yet.
Fox news eh? Dastedrly!
Yeah, because FAUXNEWS is the only one spouting the government propaganda.
CNN, MSNBC, et al always tell the truth... So says the hive dweller.
Exactly, Australia might have a good cricket team, but they don't have a monopoly on useful words not readily understood by other members (both current or former) of the British Empire.
I happen to like tits.
You gave your location away by a silly mistake, now your mad with yourself about it. Get over it mate, its no big deal
Where ever the fuck he's from, he obviously doesn't think anyone has more guts than he does. That is to say, we all are gutless.
Blythe, is that you?
Spruiking has its origin in German not English, this is not a word that is used anywhere in what was formally the British Empire, apart from Australia who had a large immigrant German community. The Germans though would never suffix that word with the "ing" that is totally Australian
No mistake made on my behalf and can comfortably assure you. Post your phone number on here and I'll gladly give you a call. I won't need to put on any ridiculous accent that's for certain. But carry on assuming ZH'ers location. Please. It's fun.
This type of trolling is just so fucking retarded. Go play COD or something you worthless cunt. :)
Now you are just wriggling on the hook.
May I suggest you change your name to BrisbaneBob, life is so much sweeter when you dont have to fake it
I said it once I'll say it a thousand times. There ARE NO PATRIOTS or anything resembling such. To late in the game. Now there is a crew of people in uniforms posing as such. But are dumbdown bufoons at the highest level.
"NO PATRIOTS"? Maybe so. But reflect on this traditional wisdom: Never threaten an old man. If he thinks he will lose, he'll just kill you.
Very true. For himself or lov one's he will. Outside of that, no.
"Never threaten an old man."
...and the not so old ones?
The problem for the NWO as I see it is: If you're busy terrorizing your fellow citizens and working for the NWO. Who is protecting your own family from the 100 million gun owners throughout communities in the USSA. That's a pretty large piece of ground to hold while protecting your own family from bad things happening to them. Perhaps the FEMA camps are where they plan on holing up with their own families. There will be no safe place for officers of the State. Think how bad they shit their pants looking for Chris Dormer.
You underestimate the power of the state to turn citizens against each other. How many examples of totalitarian regimes around the world do you need to know how it would be for you guys, and why do you think your civilian population will react any differently to any other nation
Not 100 million gun owners. As of 2014, 287 million gun owners. And rising...
Facebook knows who you are, and if you do not have a Facebook account, you will be deemed a deviant
This. There are employers who will not even consider you for the position if you do not have a facebook account.
this facebook shit pisses me off
It pisses me off as well, but it exists and it is used by millions, and in this debate it is very relevant because it is a prime example of how easy it is to control the masses
My money is on Bubba + 350m Americans - Fuck Obama
you're spending too much time with Jack LMAO
My money is on the US falling apart. No grand totalitarian NWO, no super Hope and Change dictator of the masses will last. If anything like that is achieved, it will be a flash in the pan. Life will be simplified. You want to hide something from the NSA? Do it without electronic equipment. It is that simple. Hell, you don't even have to shy away from electronic equipment. Just make sure that there is no internet connection possible and no recording ability. Go oldschool for anything that you don't want known.
The moment the US Military fires on Americans, the country is over.
The coastal cities will be little bastions of fascism linked by air and water, and the wide countryside will be unconquerable by the dwindling power of the Federal Government. Maybe this was the plan to undue the troublesome American spirit all along.
Decades of anti-individualist propaganda along with massive shaming of anyone from the dominant Anglo culture. The oligarchs have laid the foundation for the Balkanization and division of the US for quite a long time, as the generally anarchist spirit of Americans represent the biggest threat to central rule.
Who knows how far this will go? But any dreams of a global slave system (government) are doomed. The only question is how much misery they will cause before they are driven from power across the globe.
Have you ever looked at a map of the world, and seen how big Russia is?, now look at an old map of the world and see how big Russia was when it had half of Europe, and Asia under its grasp. That empire collapsed in the end I grant you, but they managed to hold together a totalitarian regime for a good 70 years, and that was before modern technology made state surveillance so much easier. Again I ask you, what makes you think your civilian population will fare any different?
Russians from at least the Mongol conquest were famously conditioned to obey. After the gang rape the anglo-zino world put on them in the 90's, they're getting over it. So your example is not a good one.
"The moment the US Military fires on Americans, the country is over."
i wouldn't bet on it.
They'll all be dressed in civvies.
If you cannot patrol it, you cannot control it. So goes the dollar, so goes the control, because it is the dollar and everything that backs it that allows the importation of what is necessary to control the people. If we get WWIII, that control will go away even faster.
If they grab your guns they will grab your gold too.
And your wife, daughter, or girlfriend.
"You would have no rights, and the federal government would be able to do just about anything that it wanted to do."
So, no change then.
We need Chuck Heston to rally real Americans..from my cold, dead hands.
Martial law in the US is a pointy headed nerd dexter construct.
Never going to happen.
Do you have any idea how many US citizens are armed?
Neither do they.
Let's get onto some more realistic topics, like stabilizing MENA.
J Edgar Hoover, The Russian Communist era, the Stazi in East Germany, and a hundred other military juntas and dictatorships around the world didnt teach you much did it? The millions who died under those regimes were not willing participants either
Yet there have been revolutions where TBTB have been toppled. Often, they have been replaced with new TPTB, and on occasion, they have not. But its not one size fits all. But in this case, if we don't get glassed by Russian ICBMs first, we're more likely to go the way of the Roman Empire. We need to simplify and become more self sufficient, which would radically change our way of life, but we're doing just the opposite. We are pushing the levers the wrong way.
Very,very true and hard to see how that might change short of a major crisis
We need Chuck Heston to rally real Americans..from my cold, dead hands.
Martial law in the US is a pointy headed nerd dexter construct.
Never going to happen.
Do you have any idea how many US citizens are armed?
Neither do they.
Let's get onto some more realistic topics, like stabilizing MENA.
"Do you have any idea how many US citizens are armed? "
armed is one thing
armed and organized is another
In this day and age, you want unorganized. Organization means that there is a fucking facefuck page about it.
Agreed Vaquero. Look at the Bundy event from a year ago April. The hive mind of like thinking people gets it done.
In Nam, they kept wanting to bomb the VC command and control centers. There were no VC command and control centers.
Right on All Counts; and indeed "Chuck" was a Fine American with a Life Well Spent.
Formerly the Snyder allow comments like mine, translated from Portuguese into English on Google.
When they were naughty he blocked (snafu did it recently).
No trauma from me.
They continue the club's ball.
I said to unfortunate that the greatest fear was a second civil war in America.
He said that the economic chaos would come in five or ten years.
The chaos came in three years.
hehe.
Karaio,
I take it you are translating Portuguese to English here? If so, figure out what comes across as hehe, and nix it. It does not translate well and makes it sound like you are a teenage vally girl. (That's not good.) Yet you have some good points. But the hehe. is turning people off. FYI, if this doesn't translate well, the hehe comes at the very end of your posts.
El Vaquero:
Estou escrevendo em português agora.
Meu ponto é que que, tanto Snayder quanto snafu (um blog militar) conversaram comigo.
Depois de um tempo, quando falei como se sente um brasileiro em relação às cagadas que seu governo fez na "América Latrina", os caras deram um jeito para que, ninguém "ralé" comentasse.
Creio que é um tiro no pé!
Tenho dois filhos que se formam em Engenharia Civil em 2015, estou ajeitando para que eles façam alguma pós graduação na Russia.
De forma alguma quero meus filhos nos EUA para pós graduação.
Blogs são coisas interessantes mas, o mais interessante acontece nos comentários.
Grato.
Uma feliz Páscoa a você (se for cristão).
:-)
well, he could always use J.
Why would a penguin give a rats ass about "he he"?
Because he can have some good points, and sometimes, things get screwed up in the translation from his language to ours that will make people ignore that.
What is “Jade Helm” all about? Well, we know the Washington Empire of Debt, the Communist Chinese and the United Nations want our guns. Get it? “Jade” is China and “Helm” is their success in disarming their citizens.
Some thoughts on this after reading all the comments:
1. They're milking the system at an unprecedented rate; the martial law plans largely exist to insure that the pillaging continues. Everything about this question should be examined in that context.
2. It's true that most Americans won't fight. Most won't be pushed to fight, so they won't. And those who are pushed to fight will mostly be fighting their fellow citizens. That is the only scenario where the elite retains control; it can't be them vs all of us. So if troops on the streets to contain racial civil unrest metastasizes into something nationwide, it will be plan B - housecleaning time. We have a lot of 'excess capacity' in the form of unproductive, dependent, and criminal classes.
3. The productive people in the country can't be the target unless the elite possess tech that renders the supply of goods and services meaningless. It will be the productive vs blacks and criminals (to be defined later). My guess will be that whites and latinos will be shepherded into cooperation. Blacks are the logical target for the police state because 'youths' will likely provide the trigger, and once order devolves the youth will come after their 'oppressors'.
Most people as you rightly point out would be compliant. People instinctivly understand who has the power and sheer survival dictates to them to gravitate towards that power.
A scattered civilian population, however well armed will be no match for an organized military machine. Those civilians would quickly have to mobilize into an efficient guerrilla army, (See Al Qaeda) and more than that, be capable of morphing quickly into an army that holds territory. (See ISIS).
Then you find yourself in a Civil war situation, providing you have the strength to get that far, most populations dont, as most communist and military dictatorships prove. The ones that do are the ones that are driven by a strong and binding ideology, see (Al Qeada and ISIS)
So America, what is going to be your strong and binding idiology, that will save you from the state?
The people of the USSA have no "strong, binding ideology". Perhaps the largest subset will be so-called "constitutionalists". But sadly, almost none of them notice how self-contradictory their position is. The most evil empire the world has ever known grew from precisely that fictitious nation who adopted their constitution.
Now, understand (especially you constitutionalists who are now so enraged at me that flames are shooting out of their ears)... this happened not because the US constitution was "the worst ever", it is precisely because it was perhaps the best ever (meaning, the "least egregeous"). And because more liberty and individualism existed in the developing frontier of the north american continent in parallel with this "constitution", this region of the planet naturally became the most vigorous and advanced.
However, this is precisely the formula for the worst possible evil empire, because it delivers the most energy and technology into the hands of the worst human predators. And so they naturally become the worst evil empire, because they have the power to become the worst evil empire.
The only solution to this is... anarchy. And I mean anarchy in the precise sense, not some bogus coopted meaning like "chaos and destruction". Anarchy means "no rulers" AKA "no state" AKA "no government". Which necessarily means "individualism", since no overlords control everyone.
What honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human beings need to learn is this. You MUST kill predators before they organize with each other and gain power. Once they do, game over. In past human history the best and brightest could at least leave for some frontier and start over where anarchy was the default state of existence. Unfortunately, humans have more-or-less run out of frontiers, and so now the predators are closing in for the final kill (at least metaphorically, meaning "total enslavement", and quite possibly also "mass extermination").
NO solution exists that retains "state" or "nation" or "authority" or "government". PERIOD. But because frontiers are more-or-less gone, normalcy bias causes roughly 99.999% of human beings to constrain their thinking process to these insane, fictional, aberrant forms of thought and living (state, nation, authority, government).
Which is why I keep saying, "humans are a failed species" and "humans are finished". The reason is not because humans are inherently defective. Just the opposite. Humans are capable of truly amazing feats, and amazing advances, and glorious futures. But they made a fatal mistake, and have now so firmly made this fatal mistake a part of their core premises that... they cannot escape. That mistake can be identified in various ways, and I often say the fatal mistake is "treating fictions as if they are real". Others might just say, "accepting that others have authority over your life". But in terms of actions rather than ideas, the mistake is not practicing self-defense against predators, and thus obeying their orders and allowing them to steal what you produce. They turn that obedience and stolen wealth into your enslavement, and soon enough, mass extermination.
The only solution is self defense. But the only way humans will practice self-defense is if they understand that concepts like "law", "nation", "country", "authority" and "government" are utterly bogus fictions, that all that actually exists hiding behind those bogus fictions is human predators and their weapons, and they must be exterminated to save mankind.
But that's too simple. Given the overwhelming birth-to-death brainwashing performed on them, the vast majority of humans are incapable of seeing, identifying or comprehending what is real and what is not. And so, "humans are a failed species", "humans are finished", and all the remains is the final few spirals of humans being flushed down the toilet they created at the demand of the human predators-that-be.
Great post honestann, and couldn't help but agree with you're premise. As you surmised though true Anarchy will never prevail, because the predators are like the Hydra, cut one head off and another two appear.
The best hope for the survival of the human race is for it to become very small in number, thus starting the circle all over again. The best hope for the planet of course would be our total extermination.
Strangely enough, the term "space, the final frontier" is pretty much correct. If and when private individuals can live permanantly in outer space (in a self-sustaining manner), those who remain on earth will remain stuck in authoritarian enslavement, while those few humans in outer space will finally enjoy permanently liberty.
Wow, you’ve thought this through haven’t you?
I can tell you from personal experience it’s become a full time job killing predators lately.
I’d truly rather return to the days when I had time to pull off the occasional “truly amazing feat” but alas I know those days are long over.
Peace ~ DC
So it's Germany in the 1930s - for Jews read Blacks - with attendant concentration camps to boot. I wonder how far they would go? Forced labour camps seems reasonable for 're-education' but with so many useless eaters perhaps Auswitz/Belson type camps will emerge over time. Russia does well with its Gulags so nothing new here.
Somehow, I don't think that's Obama's playbook for the next few years.
Texas will start the revolution and branch out from there.
It would Marshall in a new Era.
buyingsterling:
"Blacks are the logical target for the police state because 'youths' will likely provide the trigger" - This actually made me laugh. Like a bunch of "Black youths" traveled nationwide to join other BY on the Bundy Ranch.
If less then 5% of the gun owners fought, it's over for the FEDS. That said, the local police and State guard won't do shit when their neighbors rat them out to rebel groups with a gun down their throat who are trying to make a name for themselves. Or the other million newly freed from the prison systems.
The VC/NVA were able to turn a whole gook ignorant illiterate greedy populace against a country who threw nothing but money/goods, who eventually went truly BK. In short, you can never ever truly stop a movement.
The reason the VC were so effective against the US was not because they were a bunch of disaffected civilians with guns, but because they were an efficient fighting force driven by a communist ideology, and the civilian population feared them more than they feared the US. And they were well armed and supported by China and Russia.
If martial law is declared in the US it wont be Civilians V State, it will be Resistance movement V State with civilians, as always caught in the middle.
I don't believe this. It will be the State/Fed-supporters VS Constitutionalists. A true Civil-war.
To many grey areas in there im afraid.
You will have a substantial civilian population made up of both state/fed-supporters and constitutionalists but both of which are either incapable or unwilling to fight, and also a large civilian population who will have no clue whats going on and cannot see further than the next potato crop.
You have the whole world to look on as how it pans out when society breaks down and the military take over.
The best you can hope for is a strong resistance movement capable of doing great things, because that mass civilian uprising you dream of will never happen, and the rest of the world is an example for you.
You guys will be no different.
My best advice to you guys would be to "be prepared" but of course I could never give you that advice in public as it could earn me a place on the next rendition flight to Diago Garcia, or spending time being pushed around tied to a cart dressed in orange on USS Gitmo
True, well said. There never will be a mass uprising but I do foresee a strong resistance group, well organised, and capable of taking action. I don't think a civil war is in the cards, too many people with too much to lose.
What would make the situation far more interesting would be some sort of civil war along ethnic or religious lines, especially at the rate latinos are pouring into North America from the South. And then of course there is religion. Interesting article here about the rising Muslim world population....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3023597/Muslims-outnumber-Christ...
Most Americans don't think that government agents will attack the populace, and to do so would be truly insane, so the default position of most people will be to trust the government until they have no other choice.
But once 'youths' realize there is a breakdown in order, they will pilllage, and eventually rape and kill if allowed. THAT is a threat that sleepy American can get its tiny brain around. The rampage is a certainty, they do it now in a time of relative order. So yes, any widespread disruption will quickly take on a racial dimension. And the scum in government will have a hard time turning it around on whites - everyone knows the pattern by now.
As or Obama liking this or not, the die is cast. And I think Libya shows that the Pimp has no great love for blacks. You have to go back to Idi Amin to find the last black 'leader' personally responsible for this much black genocide.
I'm starting to realize that there are thousands, if not millions of retired vets who took their oath to uphold the US Constitution - and didn't believe it ended with their retirement from the services.
They wait in the shadows. When the SHTF, you'd best be with them or willing to join them, and fast. These guys mean business and aren't playing games.
They actually have a plan for how to return to a Constitutional Republic. They are all around you, they are real, and they are ready.
Right now, I'd guess they are on hair-trigger alert - with the sleaze they see rolling in each day. Obama, Harry Reid, Hillary, etc.
And you can be sure the Russians and the Chinese would step in again and support any US government opposition.
Ever witness a well trained Border Collie do its thing out in the field - with livestock...?
Pay attention to what dear Chumblez mentions above. The idea is not to send troops out hither & yon to mix it up with those willing die on their feet as opposed to living on their knees... The idea is to separate the herd, and marginalize the remainder, until they either see the error of their ways and repent at the NWO altar, or, then become targets for extermination, which their bought & paid for neighbors will be all to happy to rat out.
That's the plan from the thinkers - and trust me, they've already 'war-gamed' this out 30 different ways 'til Sunday... As I've maintained before however, the silver lining in this coming maelstrom is that those who rule, along with their minions, value staying alive in the hell they've made, more than you do.
Tell me how they'll do that without electronic media, because every satellite and cable TV installation will be ransacked. Likewise cell towers.
What need do you have for martial law when the citizenry is a bunch of cybersheep in the meadow of their devices and apathy?
The Answer is simple. Never give up your guns and ammo. Move if you have to in order to avoid being made into a Criminal (ala New York home of the "Rangers"). Second, maintain relationships with those whom know and trust - friends and family and don't do it via email. Verbal only. Have no debt. Pay cash for everything. Have faith in Jesus Christ / God. Keep a low profile. Keep in good health. Have good relationships with immediate family. Turn off the TV. Educate yourself. Learn a good skill. Get out every hunting season. Stay aware. The second amendment is the last stand against tyranny. Max 3% will stand.
This is also a good series to read: http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/
Just remember, everyone lives life like they are going to live forever. We waste time on stupid, petty things. But no one gets out of here alive. You can go like a man or you can go like a Getty with an exploding dildo in your ass. The choice is yours.
You lost me at "Have faith in Jesus Chrisst / God"
Interesting, I take it from the downvotes that ZH has a healthy population of Dinosaur deniers? Shame, that has to drag the avg IQ down
healthy population of Dinosaur deniers?...
Am I to assume you meant having faith in the Almighty is equivalent to denying the veracity of the fossil record? In case you haven't noticed, logic and reason are in lockstep with understanding the origin of all creation, including even the conscience of man.
Skeletal remains of dinosaurs show remarkable and consistent design, placement and care in their previous habitations on this planet, whereas believing in the notion that all things are the result of matter, a point of singularity or the consequence of the term “chance”, (which is bereft of any “power” in and of itself), would be the non-thinking human’s approach to true denial.
Jmo.
By now we should be used to a knee-jerk reaction any time God is mentioned. Lots of people are prepared to reject everthing a person believes if they confess to belief in a higher power.
The atheist error is simple and one of choice, not even logic:
All now agree that everything came from infinite energy. Atheists assume this infinite (ergo eternal) energy - capable of birthing universes - is mindless. They can conceive of at least 14 dimensions, but their minds cannot fathom how infinite energy could have mind. They don't want it to have mind, so it doesn't, end of story. It's really that simple.
atheist error is simple and one of choice...
I would go further and say it's an error shared by many evangelical Christians. Historic Christianity holds that believers are chosen for belief vs. most modern Christians believing they chose / choose to believe.
The "ergo eternal" current flavor of the month evidently lacks the quality of "agape", otherwise one would recognize the elegant simplicity, complexity and eternality of the Logos / Word described in the bible:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not..." John 1: 1-5
jmo.