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What Would Happen If Martial Law Was Declared In America?

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Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,

In recent weeks, there has been a lot of concern that an upcoming eight week military exercise on U.S. soil known as “Jade Helm” is actually a dress rehearsal for the imposition of martial law in this country.  One of the reasons for the high level of concern is that we have seen a dramatic increase in the number of “urban warfare exercises” conducted by the U.S. military in major U.S. cities over the past decade – including exercises where “dissidents” are hunted down, arrested and hauled away.  As our world becomes increasingly unstable, and as our society rapidly decays from within, many believe that it is only a matter of time before the executive branch will have sufficient excuse to use the extensive martial law powers that it has been accumulating since 9/11.  When that day arrives, what will our nation look like?  What would actually happen if martial law was declared in America?

Well, the first thing that you need to know is that the U.S. Constitution would be “suspended”.

In other words, you would suddenly have no rights at all.

There would be no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of assembly and you could be arrested at any time for any reason whatsoever.

For the duration of the “emergency”, the military would be in control.  There would be troops in the streets, a curfew would almost certainly be imposed, and armed checkpoints would be set up.

If the “emergency” lasted long enough, we would probably see authorities go house to house confiscating firearms, ammunition and food supplies.

And perhaps most troubling of all, “dissidents” and “subversives” would likely be rounded up and imprisoned.

Perhaps you don’t think that this could ever happen in the United States in 2015.

Well, we do know that this is precisely what the FBI had a plan to do in the 1950s.  The following is an excerpt from a recent RT article

Documents show the FBI created a “Plan C” during the Cold War, which could have been triggered in the event the US underwent a nuclear attack. It included putting the nation under martial law, rounding up “subversives,” and interning enemy diplomats.

 

The documents, acquired by transparency journalism organization MuckRock, detail the FBI plan created in 1956, which was shared with several top officials from every governmental department. The FBI also distributed papers regarding the plan to its field offices. The plan would have gone into effect “after a war has begun in which the US is involved or may become involved and prior to an actual attack on the US itself,” according to the documents.

 

Under Plan C, martial law would be declared and the FBI would enact its ‘Emergency Detention Program,’ which entailed apprehending individuals whose affiliations with subversive organizations “are so pronounced that their continued liberty in the event of a national emergency would present a serious threat to the internal security of the country.” The document shows that as of April 1956, almost 13,000 people “were scheduled for apprehension in an emergency.”

Very sobering.

And we do know that the federal government had a list of at least 8 million names of people that were considered to be “threats to national security” back in the 1980s.  This list was known as Main Core, and it is not known whether this list still exists today.

I have a feeling that it does, and that it is probably much larger than it was back then.

We also know that government documents produced during the Obama administration openly discuss rounding up “dissidents” and taking them to internment camps.  Just consider the following example from Infowars

A leaked 2012 US Army Military Police training manual, entitled “Civil Disturbance Operations,” described how soldiers would be ordered to confiscate firearms and kill American “dissidents.” The manual also revealed that prisoners would be detained in temporary internment camps and “re-educated” to gain a new appreciation of “U.S. policies,” in accordance with U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations.

So who would those “dissidents” be exactly?

In “72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered ‘Potential Terrorists’ In Official Government Documents“, I detailed how official U.S. government documents specifically identify those that believe in “conspiracy theories” as possible threats.  Others that the government is concerned about include those opposed to abortion, globalism, communism, illegal immigration, the United Nations and “the New World Order”.

I wish that none of this was true.  Go check out the article for yourself.

Another very disturbing government document talks about the need for the U.S. Army to prepare to battle political dissidents in “megacities” and to neutralize groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state”.  Here is more from Infowars

The U.S. Army is preparing to fight political dissidents who challenge the power of the state as “megacities” become the battleground of the future, according to a new report in the Army Times.

 

The article details how the Army’s Capabilities Integration Center (ARCIC) worked with US Army Special Operations Command, the chief of staff’s Strategic Studies Group and the UK’s Ministry of Defence earlier this year to wargame the future of armed combat, which will revolve around the neutralization of groups “who can influence the lives of the population while undermining the authority of the state,” a chillingly vague description which could easily be applied to political dissidents.

 

The plan foresees an unprecedented realignment of U.S. military strategy focused around putting “boots on the ground” in megacities to deal with “politically dispossessed” populations while relying on “more lethal and more autonomous” methods.

Very alarming stuff.

And if we did see martial law declared nationwide, it is likely that all elections would be suspended indefinitely.

That could also potentially include the 2016 presidential election.

Is it possible that Barack Obama could use his emergency powers to stay in the White House beyond his second term?  There are some out there that believe that this could actually happen under the right circumstances.  For example, check out what Dr. Ben Carson said during an appearance on the Alan Colmes radio show

COLMES: What do you mean though when you say there may not be an election in 2016?

 

DR. BEN CARSON: There may be so much anarchy going on.

 

COLMES: Anarchy? So you really think we risk risking an anarchic America to the point where elections might be put on hold, or some kind of emergency is declared with such anarchy that there wouldn’t be a Presidential election in a couple of years?

 

DR. BEN CARSON: I don’t want to find out. I really don’t want to find out, I don’t want to continue down this pathway that we’re going down.

And the groundwork has certainly been laid for such a scenario.

During his time in the White House, Barack Obama has signed a series of executive orders that give him and his minions an extraordinary amount of power in the event of a major national emergency.

For example, read the following excerpt from an executive order that Obama signed in March 2012

Sec. 201.  Priorities and Allocations Authorities.  (a)  The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

 

(1)  the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

 

(2)  the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

 

(3)  the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

 

(4)  the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

 

(5)  the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

 

(6)  the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

That sounds like it covers just about everything.

Basically, during a time of martial law all of the things that you take for granted today would be out the window.

You would have no rights, and the federal government would be able to do just about anything that it wanted to do.

If that sounds really bad to you, then maybe now you are starting to understand why so many people get upset when they see preparations being made for the eventual imposition of martial law in this country.

 

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Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:41 | 5955736 pipes
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Way to focus on what matters.

 

Brilliant strategy for surviving tough times.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:53 | 5955006 dvfco
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Excellent post - Dog - the Enemies Foreign & Domestic Trilogy" are three of my favorite books - and I've read several thousand books since I've been a little kid.

Everything you say in the first part of your comment is correct, except the word: Simple. 

So man people have trouble getting along with their immediate, much less extended family, that it is scary.  Also, in most urban / suburban environments, few people even take the time to know their neighbors.

When the shit hits, suburbs and cities are going to get ugly - real fast.

That said, I'm 110% down with your comment.  Thank you.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 04:26 | 5954935 DipshitMiddleCl...
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it will come to california first, as soo nas the water runs out

 

they're prepping here in san diego apparently...now i know why.

 

boots on the ground, using SD as a testing ground.

 

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 04:35 | 5954939 TeaClipper
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Stop damming the Colorado river so fucking heavily to feed pox ridden abomonations like Las Vegas, would greatly assist.

And declare golf an illegal activity

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:11 | 5954971 TeaClipper
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As its on topic and talking of dams, I have to say I have always been baffled why Americans held J Edgar Hoover in such reverence that you would name a dam after him? After all this was the guy that in the name of fighting communism, instigated a surveillance state in America, persicuting its citizens, and creating a climate of fear that any Communist country would have been proud of.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:19 | 5954980 lakecity55
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It was President Hoover, not the tranny.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:21 | 5954984 TeaClipper
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Well i'll be, and if you tell me President Hoover invented the vacum cleaner that will just make my day complete.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:06 | 5954955 Bloodstock
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The elite have no idea just how many millions of people are sick of their shit. Pushed into a corner, the truth will prevail.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:36 | 5955721 pipes
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I think they DO have an idea.

 

Which is why martial law will not be declared, absent some other "leveraging" event, which simultaneously weakens both the resolve - and the numbers - of any resistance.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:03 | 5954960 Batman11
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In 2008 the financial system nearly collapsed.

Gordon Brown in the UK was making plans to put troops on the streets.

When the ATMs and credit cards stop working the breakdown of society would be numbered in days.

Gordon brown made plans for this.

In the end the financial system was saved in 2008, but no long lasting changes were put in place and the system is as unstable as ever.

The Central Bankers have blown bigger bubbles since 2008.

The next and last financial crash is when martial law comes in as the ATM's and credit cards stop working.

I see the next financial crash as happening this year.

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:22 | 5954967 Batman11
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A strike by drivers of fuel tankers nearly bought the UK to a standstill in 2001.

It took days.

Nurses and doctors can no longer get to work - so hospitals stop working.

No deliveries can be made - shops start emptying.

.......  etc ........

Complex systems fall apart very quickly, imagine no money to pay for food and fuel.

A couple of days at most before the looting starts.

Remember the ZH story of survival kits for bankers - preparation is under way for when the banks are under siege.

Hopefully, keeping the occupants safe until the troops get there.

No one really realised the importance of making the financial system safer after 2008, we can all deal with the consequences.

 

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:22 | 5955024 Batman11
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When armed gangs are roaming the streets most will welcome martial law.

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:26 | 5955027 Parrotile
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I was working as a Doctor for the UK NHS at that time. We actually had almost NO problem with staffing, and, for the record, the only problem we did see were Patients not turning up on time, which necessitated a lot more flexibility in appointments.

Still got through our daily sessions OK though, maybe 'cause most of us either walked, or had access to bicycles . . . . .

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:59 | 5955073 Batman11
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It only lasted about four days.

I remember I had just come back from holiday when it started and thought it would all blow over with little effect.

But of course people panic and start to fill their cars when they wouldn't do normally.

People start filling gerry cans too.

When people see queues at the petrol stations they panic and the queues get longer and the fuel runs out much quicker than it would have done normally.

I had a long journey to work and thought I would not be able to get there as i couldn't get petrol.

I am not sure if it came into force or they were talking about it - getting supplies to those most in need first - like nurses and doctors - a couple more days and this would have been a necessity - certainly where I live near Heathrow airport.

There was no fuel in Basingstoke where I worked and on route.

To drive around hunting for the stuff risks running out on the hunt.

The lesson to be learnt is how human nature makes things worse as everyone thinks of themselves and the old, who do not have to get to work, are the ones with the most time to queue for petrol and fill up their cars and gerry cans (my experience).

A couple more days and things would have got pretty serious - the Government were panicking.

Things were OK for you - I'll take your word for that.

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 07:34 | 5955122 Batman11
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I have also had experience of one of the Icelandic banks going under - Icesave.

By the time I got onto the internet to get my money out everything was frozen.

Luckily, the UK Government reimbursed my money.

Lessons:

1) maybe panic is best - f*ck everyone else get there first

2) the rich do hear about these things before everyone else - much later I discovered a rich friend had heard in time to get his money out safely

 

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:05 | 5954961 Bloodstock
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And the U.S. rogue regime has defeated which little unarmed country lately? With the almighty technology and massive bombings, can't defeat a bunch of cave dwellers? Real Americans ingenuity will prevail. It may be hell but the sleeping giant is awakening. Yee of little faith need to get a grip. Etc., etc., etc.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:12 | 5954972 theblackknight
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Some "folks" will have thier thoughts redistributed...

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:31 | 5955032 p00k1e
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Some folks will have their ‘thoughts’ redistributed... 

Go to the County Clerk’s office and get those voter lists in your area. 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:20 | 5954981 kchrisc
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No "if" about it. They are planning martial law. That was part of the reason behind Sandy Hoax, and the Boston smoke bombing.

What will happen is that the tree of Liberty would become well fertilized and thrive.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

The banksters need to repay us.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:32 | 5954992 Stevious
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When the dollar implodes as it must, eventually, the dole system will fail, slowly, not quickly.  Food stamps will remain but with each few months they will buy less food and the combination of rapidly rising food costs and rapidly depreciating value of food stamps (snap my ass, I'll still call them food stamps) the dolees will get angry.  Therein lies the real source of martial law.  It won't be those who own guns who will be a problem it'll be those who have empty stomachs and empty bottles and and rags to tie on them who want to blindlly rage.

Our social system is a monster waiting to bite us.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 05:49 | 5955003 Izznogood
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"A lot of concern"? I haven't seen a lot of concern anywhere ...

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:28 | 5955030 p00k1e
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A lot of people will commit suicide.  

Will a lot of resources be spent on investigation, no.  It’s a free for all!!! 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 06:38 | 5955040 Dien Bien Poo
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When its all done and dusted and the US becomes the New Economic Argentina, we will look back at our politicians (from both sides) and realise that they wre no better than Goebbels and Himmler. 

Ever look at Orin Hatch and see a Human?

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 07:30 | 5955115 Burticus
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Open season on politicians, bureaucrats and their minion enforcers.  No size or bag limit.  Game on!

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 07:46 | 5955140 Wahooo
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No way the military is large enough to control more than 2-3 major urban collapses at one time. Once they enter the inner city, many of us will move in and block their exits. Then the feeding begins.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:08 | 5955383 Polymarkos
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Do you have artillery? Tanks? Air support? Machine guns?

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:26 | 5955472 hoist the bs flag
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thank you, somebody gets it

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:40 | 5955524 Wahooo
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Does the US government have the ability to wring taxes from an economy that has ground to a halt? Does it have the ability to stop the inflow of military weapons across our borders? Does it have the ability to protect the families of its police and military personnel? Does it have the will to obliterate with artillery, tanks, and fighter jets entire cities taken over by the opposition?

Many of us will die. The US government will cease to exist.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 17:50 | 5957177 conscious being
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A lot of Americans have machine guns and 50c sniper rifles. In E. Ukraine, the rebels captured a lot of artillery by over running them with AKs an RPGs. Artillery is useless at  close quarters.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:28 | 5955693 pipes
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Which is why they will use force multipliers that double as the rationale FOR the martial law.

 

Joe Dipshit will be relieved to see the troops roll in - even if they are speaking Russian.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 08:21 | 5955218 Quinvarius
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It would look like the Armry busy stopping riots in ethnic communities within a week, no matter what the plan was at the start.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 11:31 | 5955946 TweedleDeeDooDah
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No, the army would merely seal off the "ethnic communities" where riots might take place, and force the residents to police themselves.

Kind of like the proven "ghetto" methods used by the Nazis in WW2.... communities will "police" themselves or face collective punishments. They'll have their own "police" like the Jewish Police in most ghettoes.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 08:30 | 5955242 Billy Bob101
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Anyone who thinks "this can't happen here" should go back and study the history of the Civil War.  The "rebellion" was a few southern soldiers firing on Fort Sumpter when the Union commander tried to resupply the fort and the South tried to hurry them along.  The war was fought by Executive Order 1.  Dissidents (including several Congressmen) were put into prison for the duration and any newspapers that did not support the cause were closed.  Probably worse for the average Southerner was Reconstruction, when the South was under Northern military rule.  As a result, we got Posse Comitatis, which is now being totally disregarded.   I don't see any reason why Americans today would not be any less enthusiastic about another civil war.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:00 | 5955357 freakscene
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I better go remove the Ron Paul bumper sticker from my truck

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:04 | 5955368 Polymarkos
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The 73rd type of person to be labelled as a 'terrorist' by da gubbamint NAZI trash: ZeroHedge readers.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:14 | 5955411 durablefaith
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Agree that martial law would fail if attempted now. So they wont go there first. Foreign troops on u.s. soil will follow order to disarm. with ww iii for cover, and hunger games in full play,  they will attempt to even the odds before the civil war unfolds.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:22 | 5955674 pipes
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The only way martial law rolls out anytime soon, is if it were concurrent with a pandemic, grid loss, or some equivalent - perhaps even an invasion. It would have to be something where 1)alot of folks would not resist it intitially 2)alot of folks would be dead by the time they realize they SHOULD have resisted it initially.

 

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:24 | 5955460 2handband
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Okay, scenario: three jackboots armed with assault rifles are standing on your doorstep. They have been traveling door-to-door in your neighborhood, and there is a chopper in the sky following them around. They order you to surrender any firearms in the house (they know you have some registered), and they say there will be a search if you don't comply. Your children are standing in the room behind you. Do you try to duke it out with the thugs, or do you hand over the guns? I know what most people are going to do... and if my kids were in the line of fire, what i would do as well.

Besides, to hell with troops. Drones. Technology, some of which we may not even know about yet. Has it occurred to you guys that the long, drawn-out nature of the conflicts in the ME is probably deliberate? We have those people MASSIVELY outgunned.

History says the military will follow orders. These aren't fire-breathing patriots; they're poor kids from the projects who joined because it was their only way out.

History also says that successful revolutions are backed by foreign militaries. Good luck with that in the present climate.

Americans are too ethnically, ideologically, and politically divided to take a stand together. This has been deliberately created. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book, and the only reason it isnt obvious that this has taken place here is because dumb Americans believe propaganda is something that happens to other people. How do we know? The propaganda told us. But never mind; your armed-to-the-teeth Americans, if they shoot anybody, will be shooting at each other. 

History also says most people will go along and just try to stay under the radar hoping it blows over quickly. 

One elephant in the room that has gone unmentioned: does anyone here really think a successful uprising can take place without disrupting the flow of commerce? There's a problem with that, and one unique to the modern developed world: almost nobdy, including all these gun owners you pin your hopes on, is going to be able to eat if the grocery stores aren't getting stocked. You guys aren't takiing into account the utter dependency on the system that exists today. If the trucks stop running, everybody starves to death. That includes every farmer I know, and I live in the country. These guys don't know the first damn thing about growing food; they are technicians who know how to operate heavy machinery and apply the proper amount of chemicals. Mostly they don't even grow vegatables; out here it's field corn and soybeans. The farmers wife, with her garden and homemade pies? That's thirty years or more in the past. The farmers wife is working in town full-time. They BUY all of their food.

It's not gonna happen, guys.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:43 | 5955747 TweedleDeeDooDah
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Food supplies would definitely not be interrupted... at least in the sense that everybody would easily get "rations". It would be quite easy for the government to nationalize large restaurant chains and their developed food processing plants, storage depots, and logistics systems (think McDonald's) to see that food is delivered and distributed to individuals in a controlled manner.

People would get fed at fast food facilities... not necessarily (definitely not) the "menu items" you see, but no-frills basic necessities prepared in these restaurants.

This is ALWAYS part of the plan where they wish to CONTROL the population.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 13:35 | 5956343 IridiumRebel
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Your scenario is horseshit. There will be no "door to door search". They don't have the manpower nor why would they do anything like it? What is the point? What would happen to make anything like this occur? You think rich fuckers want their golden calf of the American public shutting off the supply of ROI? No. All one has to do is look at Bundy Ranch at what a very limited response to an overextended government looks like. I repeat, your scenario is horseshit. 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 17:06 | 5957017 libertysghost
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Way too many externalities going on here that aren't mentioned (that I can think of...and a million more I can't I'm sure).  

First, contextually you can't just say that the reason we haven't completely taken over Iraq and Afghanistan is because we must not want to: "Has it occurred to you guys that the long, drawn-out nature of the conflicts in the ME is probably deliberate? We have those people MASSIVELY outgunned."  

No, it's for the same reasons no one has every been able to control these regions for very long and why small arms are such a problem to a centralized army (centralization does not make an army nimble and responsive).  It's strange because you're just apologizing for the military failures there by claiming it must be planned as they are God like...while you don't want to underestimate a army, you don't want to overestimate it either in your planning.

So back to the externalities...where do all these door to door troops come from?  Have you looked at the size of our forces and where they are spread?  Do you understand the geography of the United States?  Also, lots of our troops are stationed in other countries supporting unpopular governments.  If they are pulled from there to come here in "this plan"...those governments collapse.  HMMM?  Probably isn't going to get you a lot of support of those other governments when their countries are in chaos as you're clamping down on your own citizens here.  If those governments still exist?  So start thinking of all those spinning parts...all the things that start happening as our government collapses to the point that they THINK people would rationaly believe martial law is the next logical step.  Al the banks that fail around the world, all the other governments that fall, all the logistics involved in IMPOSING MARTIAL LAW by a bunch of paranoid narcissists who would sell each other out in a second.  You see this happening?  It's definately a kind of "only got one card left...might as well play it I guess" moment.  It's a sign of a weak hand, not a strong one.

Next, where's the incentive for all these military to do what you say?  That's the problem here really, IMO.  If you were going to do this "in your face" martial law kind of stuff, it would have actually had a better chance of working 30, 40 50 years ago.  The MSM had propaganda monopolized, the "government" had much greater legitimacy, politicians were mildly respected, youth believed they would be rewarded if they followed the rules, etc. etc. etc.  What now?  

"WE'VE FUCKED EVERYTHING UP!  THE COUNTRY IS A WRECK AFTER WE SPENT TRILLIONS ON DEFENSE AND WE ARE STILL ATTACKED AND ARE A DISASTER NOW!  DO WHAT YOUR FAILED LEADERS SAY!" (I'm going with the disaster scenario)  How many of these troops or whatever are going to have the confidence that the promises being made to them "if they do what they are told" will be fulfilled given their experience and what would then be a recent track record of even more failure and lies?  And here's always the problem...incentive...motivation.  And this is why our military fails continuall now DESPITE MASSIVELY OUTGUNNING their opposition now (and for the last 50 years since Vietnam).  The people they are fighting have nothing to lose and all the motivation in the world not to lose.  The troops get what "FREE COLLEGE!"  

Assuming you are back up on your chair after falling off it from laughter at the "FREE COLLEGE" offer they get (WOWOWOWYYYYY GILLIGAN!)...what a frikin motivator eh?  Hmmm?  One side has life as they know it to fight for, all their family and all their history...the other?...free college like their unemployed friends back home did.  I can't understand why the latter group keeps losing these wars?

Might I be worng?  Yep.  But me admitting that possibility rather than just believing I must be right problably strengthens my argument because I'm actually considering your argument. 


Fri, 04/03/2015 - 17:09 | 5957023 libertysghost
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Oh...and I forgot to mention...more realistic scenerio:

three goobers don't make it to your door because Jimmy Joe already took them out last week knowing they were coming because the goobers bragged at the bar the night before they were going to Jimmy's the next day.  Jimmy makes meth actually...is kind of freaky but has a crap load of weapons and a lot of time on his hands (cuz he ain't sleepin much these days) and not much to lose.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:29 | 5955483 bigrooster
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Imagine what this number is today with Obama at the helm.  I am sure most of the ZH members are included.  I would think that it would be a pretty dangerous idea to round up so many people who greatly hate the government and put them together.

 

The document shows that as of April 1956, almost 13,000 people “were scheduled for apprehension in an emergency.”

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:38 | 5955515 DontFollowMyAdv...
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if martial law were declared i think anyone who owns a firearm would make sure the totalitarian bastards die for their country before they do...

 

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 09:44 | 5955545 rickybobby1hundo
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Marshall Mathers > Martial Law 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:18 | 5955612 all-priced-in
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Wolverine! ;-)

 

Just the angry old white guys could put together a pretty good army  -

 

Don't be so sure that the current US military personnel will fire on citizens for an extended time.  It will be their families that they are shooting at.

 

Oh sure they will shoot a couple times - most likely in LA or DC, NYC - but the back lash from this will be what causes the silent majority to step forward.

 

It only take 10-15% of the population to step up to force the government to change policy.

 

 

Course I could be "dead" wrong. ;-O.    

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:07 | 5955620 One Eyed Jack
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Specifically focused, citizen initated, short, violent, kinetic action?

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 10:52 | 5955775 Chuck Knoblauch
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REACTION WOULD DEPEND ON THE SEVERITY OF THE FALSE FLAG ATTACK

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 11:31 | 5955943 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Dissident Law trumps Martial Law IMO. My grandfather fought in World War One and lost his leg. My father was RCAF in the Second World War and peeled potatoes. Both World Wars were Bankster led conspiracies to consolidate wealth in the hands of Banksters.  In point of fact, unjust laws are not binding in light of what the Oligarchs have been doing over the last century. Look at what Washington did to the Bonus Army during the Great Depression, watch Smedley Butler's speech to the Veterans/Bonus Army and ask yourself if you are type to be treated like a fucking carpet by sociopaths lacking in empathy? Clearly, the MIC is _fucked_  given their historical record of abject failure to be a moral arbiter of anything, let alone Martial Law.

 

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 12:12 | 5956065 Tom_Pain
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Suspending the Constitution doesn't mean WE have no rights; it means that the Federal Government has no rights. The Constitution gave the Federal Government the right to exist, with a limited set of powers.

 

Of course, the problem will be in convincing the Federal Government of that fact.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 13:29 | 5956317 IridiumRebel
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So let me get this straight....the BEACON of the free world will devolve into Martial Law. Besides Norks and a few war torn spots, are there ANY places that use Martial Law? So if I bitch here about the shittastic killing of my country by reprehensible pieces of shit, I am the one who is the problem? Seriously. They will continue the boiling frog technique. This makes no sense sans major event like nuke in a city. Martial Law will not be employed. Could they pull it off? I dont know. They do this and this country loses all credibility. Nah....just a death by a thousand cuts until twenty years down the road we resemble a third world shithole. The future in the movie "Looper" comes to mind.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 21:15 | 5957760 WarPony
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There was a day when the writing was on the wall, willful folks took matters into their own hands.  Where we are now is hopefully not so far afield.  Hopefully.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 17:35 | 5957110 Arrowshot
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My guess is there is one most likely scenario whereby martial law can be instituted. Intentional financial meltdown with a 6-12 month period of substantial unrest followed by declaration of martial law. Following that there will may be a visit from "Captain Trips" or a major nuclear exchange. These fuckers think they and their progeny will survive in their underground bunkers for a few thousand years if needed until it is safe to go out again (quite possible with all the right resources - thank you Dr Strangelove). Barry Soetero and those who raised him have no qualms doing so and from what I can determine regarding his psychological profile and his past associations it is more likely their intended plan. That all said, we will know soon enough and I continue to review my contingency plans. If it doesn't happen we can all continue to post until doomsday trying to predict when it is going to happen. 3'Per

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 19:42 | 5957521 bunnyswanson
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Just remember big wigs and fat cats - when the number in the crowd reaches 1 million, the cops change sides.

Fri, 04/03/2015 - 20:11 | 5957610 WarPony
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CITIZENS!  As a great man said not so long ago (re: LEOs & military when there is a declaration of Martial law - regional/National): "You've got 3 choices: stay at home and protect your family, quit your job and join US, or don the badge/uniform, come against US and DIE!

http://tech.mit.edu/V116/N16/militia.16w.html

Tens of thousands in-State and HUNDREDS of thousands around the Country were prepared to assist the Montana Freeman to get their evidence of a fraudulent FED to court and, to shut down the Blood Games of the global central bankster mafia cartel almost two decades ago.

TPTB KNOW what to expect but likely underestimate OUR Resolve.  Fear Not, your local LEO (& service folks) just might be on your side.

As Texian's once hollered: "Come and get it."

Sat, 04/04/2015 - 11:19 | 5958584 Unix
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IF, martial law is declared, America will cease to exist, all bets are off, you will not know friend from foe. The USA would devolve into chaos when the thin veneer is stripped away.

We are now a splintered country, so many factions, it will be pure hell. IF the leo/mil follow orders and carry it out, there will be a conflagration, IMHO. As a nation, we are losing God, just look at the level of depravity out there? America has lost it's SHAME!

Get right with God, Jesus Christ is your only salvation, put your trust in Him. Repent, and turn away from sin, and be saved in His name. Spend eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus Christ IS LOVE, he wants to be in your heart, and walk with you through life. It is the greatest message there can be, LOVE, just think what might be, if all mankind thought like that?

Unfortunately, there is also an entity, Lucifer, Satan, the Beast, who rules this world. The Prince of Darkness, blackens men's hearts, hardens them against love. This is the great deception, going on right now.

It is that simple my friends, but if you want to worship your toaster or yourself, it is ultimately up to you. I cannot change your heart, but I can spread the message for all to hear, if you choose not to listen, or to put me down for my beliefs, that is on your head.

It is amazing how many Godless people are out there, living empty lives, out of touch with the Divine Word, and are so cock-sure of themselves. I am sure I will be down voted for this, but that is okay, I respect other opinions, beliefs and thoughts.

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