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Californians Outraged As Oil Producers & Frackers Excluded From Emergency Water Restrictions
California's oil and gas industry is estimated (with official data due to be released in coming days) to use more than 2 million gallons of fresh water per day; so it is hardly surprising that, as Reuters reports, Californians are outraged after discovering that these firms are excluded from Governor Jerry Brown's mandatory water restrictions, "forcing ordinary Californians to shoulder the burden of the drought."
California should require oil producers to cut their water usage as part of the administration’s efforts to conserve water in the drought-ravaged state, environmentalists said on Wednesday.
Governor Jerry Brown ordered the first statewide mandatory water restrictions on Wednesday, directing cities and communities to cut their consumption by 25 percent. But the order does not require oil producers to cut their usage nor does it place a temporary halt on the water intensive practice of hydraulic fracturing.
California’s oil and gas industry uses more than 2 million gallons of fresh water a day to produce oil through well stimulation practices including fracking, acidizing and steam injection, according to estimates by environmentalists. The state is expected to release official numbers on the industry’s water consumption in the coming days.
“Governor Brown is forcing ordinary Californians to shoulder the burden of the drought by cutting their personal water use while giving the oil industry a continuing license to break the law and poison our water,” said Zack Malitz of environmental group Credo.
“Fracking and toxic injection wells may not be the largest uses of water in California, but they are undoubtedly some of the stupidest,” he said.
The industry has received scrutiny for how it disposes of undrinkable water produced during oil drilling. Last month the state ordered the operators of 12 wells to halt injections of the water out of fear that it could contaminate fresh drinking water supplies.
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In an interview with the PBS Newshour on Wednesday, Brown indicated that curbing oil industry water use would not help a state so dependent on petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel.
“If we don’t take it out of our ground, we’ll take it out of someone else’s,” Brown said.
Suck it up, or well don't as the case may be, serfs.
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Hillary Clinton is a millionaire because she made smart investments too
So there!
she made smart investments like corzine was a feduciary
Pretty sure feduciary has double ee :)
no wonder wheel of fortune hasnt called me back ;)
"she made smart investments like corzine was a feduciary "
It's spelled feces.
Hillary Clinton is a millionaire because she made smart investments too
So there!
That was funny. Thank you.
Given that premise, we surely live on a planet littered with dumbness and stupidity.
Sadly, you might be right.
Typical...was in Palm Springs last week and amazing the water being wasted everywhere...Cali is in denial.
On a related topic, glad to hear what people think about the below link regarding peak oil production.
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/04/why-would-corporations-nations-leave.html
Obama bought a home on the Mission Hills golf course; they aren't going to quit watering the golf courses out there for a long time...
I filed for an exemption also. I need to water my old Ford Pinto down every few hours so it won't explode into a ball of fire.
Thanks Son. Needed a good chuckle this morning. Also, gave me a trip down memory lane. Many, many years ago used to drive a Pinto making deliveries for a dental lab. Amazed I survived that summmer.
Revolution now!!
"Brown indicated that curbing oil industry water use would not help a state so dependent on petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel".
~ Which means Moonbeam gets a lot of big "donations" from the oil&gas industry! So they are good... just keep writing those checks!
I think Brown's ridiculous, wasteful high-speed rail project in the Central Valley is actually for the benefit of the oil/fracking industry in CA, not for all those eager travellers who can't wait to take a train from San Fran to SoCal. Rail service in Central Valley will cut their transport costs enormously - at taxpayer's expense.
Looking at our world objectively, how can you not conclude politicians are blatantly ripping off the public for their own gain?
This has always been the case. Right back to the very dawn of recorded history.
people need to sue the crap out of the gov
I'm going long wicker baskets and guillotines.
Same here
A technology from a byegone age. Too slow, and poor "waste management" capacity (this is "Green" California after all!)
Following Saddam Hussein's alleged "example", you'll need some of these - http://glocks.net/photos/g19_102s.jpg
- and - some of these - http://www.salsco.com/uploads/images/products/TRACK%20PAVER%20TP411/029.JPG
Then, a fleet of these - http://www.aria.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/A32574-001.jpg
and finally one of these - http://www.biwater.com/Images/content/1724/529518.jpg (which you already have).
The "Politicians / Cronies to Biogas" Programme. Sustainability the "New" Californian way . . . . . . . .
The technology is just fine. Certainly has the added psychological effect. And as far as waste management is concerned, fire is natures purifier.
Guillotines have the advantage of "ease of local construction", but bulk incineration of high-water-content corpses is a non-trivial exercise (and there is a significant pollution risk - the emission / residual ash management regulations followed by crematoria are very onerous).
Comminution / composting (or bio-remediation) is less polluting, and far more ecologically safe. Going via the traditional and proven waste-water management route, the aerobic protein conversion stage is fast, and complete; residual skeletal "undigestibles" may be further comminuted to bone-meal (McDonalds, anyone?? :-) ) whilst anything "left over" from the aerobic phase may be a useful methane source (during the anaerobic, or digestion, phase).
You appear to have a biochemistry/microbiology background. Much appreciated. Despite some excellent points indicated, I still prefer fire/cremation. Major reason is we have hundreds if not thousands of organic and inorganic foreign chemical compounds if not mulitple preservatives present within the human species. Rate of decomposition is vastly different and considerably longer than multiple generations ago and perhaps the use of dessicants may well be necessary. The last thing I would desire is to provide human remains as a type of mulch or fertilizer to a land already overrun with herbicides, pesticides, heavy metals, BHA, BHT, DDT, chemical fire retardant, pseudoestrogens, etc.. Ecologically I would rather risk almost immediate and forced oxidation and ash/mineral/metal storage confined to a specific area/locale than ever risk continuing the extensive surface area contamination of stored chemical toxicity in the average homosapien laid on the land. But than again a woodchipper followed by an inferno sounds find to me.
Just going by the requirements for disposal of "cytotoxic medical waste" - minimum incineration temp. of 1500 C AND afterburner provision, the cost WILL be high.
Just as a thought you could investigate bulk freeze-drying (or rather vacuum drying) to remove the bulk of the water. Don't know if that would reduce the energy demands much though (unless you "went solar"??)
The "Traditional Way" for many cultures was "Funeral Pyre" for very good reason. However we could be talking REALLY big numbers here, and getting adequate fuel alone might be a challenge, let alone the "downstream" problems of uncontrolled / incomplete combustion, and spread of pollution.
Other "Solutions"? -
1. The traditional "Lime Pit" approach. Safe (relatively) and known to effectively reduce spread of "The Nasties".
2. Stick 'em all in an old, ready-to-be-decommissioned VLCC, tow over a deep water area (Marianas Trench??), and scuttle (so providing a bonanza for all those sea-floor scavengers).
3. Stick 'em all in an old Nuke test site, and "light up another" - ("Inadequate incineration temperature" becomes irrelevant). Possibly a thermobaric device would be as effective, and less radiation / fallout issues??
The Salsco.com image "should" have been a Commercial Chipper - NOT a paver!!!! (though either might do!!)
This might "fit the bill" rather better - http://www.westconuk.com/product_images/BA%20715%20Einsatz%20021%20(555%20x%20300).jpg
LOL
yeah, Riiiiiggggggghhhhhtttt!
It is just like the sheeple have to have lower powered vacuum cleaners to cut down energy use yet at the same time we have fighter jets flying over the house on test runs!
Lobbyists promising politicians lucrative jobs after they leave office....so they do what's in their interest, not in the interest of the people of California....Disgusting.....
And the golf courses?
Many of the golf courses are now using grey water for irrigation. The smart ones saw the writing on the wall a few years ago.
The old dine & dash routine & the middle class is *^%*ed with the bill
How many illegals are in Kalifornia?
what's the population of Kaliforeignia ?
We're all illegal.
How many illegals are there in Washington, DC?
Well we can start counting with the one in the White House
If this were a larger unit, no one would complain. No oil, no industrial economy. Take fewer showers.
Fuck California. Let that liberal state die of thirst.
let them drink fracked oil !
I hope you don't like fruits and vegetables or nuts, cuz if you live in the western side of the country- CA is where they come from.
SW PA -- fig trees in containers on porch showing new growth. But I do see your point.
SE PA - We grow our own fruits & vegetables right here. Plenty of Black Walnuts, English Walnuts, Hickory Nuts, and Chestnuts here too. We got it covered without CA, thanks.
PS- How long did you think you could irrigate a desert until (a) a major drought, or (b) salt build up in the soil makes agriculture untenable, anyhow?
SE PA is zone 7, SW PA is zone 6. I'm jealously waiting for global warming to even things up. If only.
I used to live in CA long ago - moved out when it started getting stupid. Anyone that still lives there is a complete moron.
No. We shall simply pick of the pieces and go on.
This is the problem. In the NE, they call these people Massholes because they relocate from MA, the state with excess taxes and regulations all voted in by liberal politicians, then they re-locate to a business and liberty friendly state then vote for tyranny all over again. Massholes. I think we can call the Cali emigrants Calidouchebags.
Californicators.
No... they come from the ground. I think you meant to say, your grocery store gets them from the Western side of the country but plants are not native to California. To answer your question, I do like nuts. I like them so hard.
Must be nice having lobbyists. Where's my fucking lobbyist?
You can't afford one.
Even if we could somehow crowdfund an enduring lobbying campaign by an established lobby group - they wouldn't do it, I believe. They're too intertwined with the power structure to make an honest effort.
They'd need to make a dishonest effort. That's how lobbying works.
The spice must flow. The water? Not so much...
Soon the term "drill baby drill" will be synonymous with water extraction instead of oil extraction ^^ . . .
Those californians should get busy and do some rain dances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0H85tj1yU
Nothing like cutting off the water supply to get even the most obese retard off his ass and onto the streets
The water is not being turned off. It is just going to cost an arm and a leg after a certain minimal use. Now how many people simply just wont pay the bill because they can not afford it. Does anyone think they will shut the water off for folks who simply can not afford the cost. Doubt that is going to pass the Kalifornia Political Correctness test. Doubt this water rationing scheme will work.
They shut the water off in Detroit for non-payment, and got away with it. Of all the liberal cities...
Coming to a city near you.
Beware the sweaty, huffing, waddling masses.
They really WILL be "The Great Unwashed!" - https://malagabay.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-great-unwashed-and-the-bath.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1
or - http://yababoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/people-of-walmart-returns.jpg
Not in America. As long as the internet still works, ain't nobody goin' outside to complain 'bout nuttin'.
Hey Californians you are not Ukranians. You have no rights to demand for anything.
Ha ha ha Typical Nazi Liberal, whats good for you is not good for his buddies lol...Brown is a shit bag of epic proportions.
But that is only half the story...lol it gets better
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-your-water-bill-is-about-to-go-up-2...
http://youtu.be/5lh5pJPBlOE
It's strange that this is one of the few good posts for you lately. I noticed you were doing very poorly lately - attacking liberals must be a good choice on ZH. And I thought that we all agrred that there really is no red/blue difference and all politicians are corrupt.
Kalifornians know all about doing things 'for the greater good.' Eff them
Californians outraged. That's funny. Doesn't happen.
How many water desalination plants could Mexifornia build with the 100 billion being spent on the bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?
What do you mean 'nowhere?' It's going from the border straight up to the LA Safe Zone.
You don't understand, the bullet train will be used to deliver the water where it's needed..... fast!
Desal doesn't remove radiation, so it's going to be a non-starter by the end of this year. Too many coastal animals and fish dying, so no construction until they figure out what's killing the sealife. Or admit to what it really is.
Child mortality rates are waay up all over the US.
We need to prioritize the critical shortage of oil . . . oh . . .
This is typical for all those whose love for money rules their entire being. The motto at the top of the food chain: "It is good for all of you as long as it doesn't apply to us" or "Since it benefits us; it is not for you...except the bill".
As if they would have to follow the same laws as everyone else? Get real here. This is NOT your country anymore. UNDERSTAND? You are fucking SLAVES. Either rise up and chop off massa's fucking head, or bear the lash and shut up about it.
LOL.... The corporATIONS own gov at all levels. Used to be called fascism, today in America it's called normal.
60 million Californians are pissed about 2 million gallons? Thats about 4oz. of water per person. Next time they're brushing their teeth, they can use the faucet for 2 less seconds. Oh the pain those poor Californians must endure.
Or just brush once a day. Or shower every other day.
Or...
jump down, spin around. Pick a bale of cotton!
or shower with a woman, or multiple women
I hope your a woman...
mmmmmmmmmmm 0.0
muchooooo (0)l(0)
male lesbian
a woman, trapped in a man's body, who likes other women
are you saying you are a feminist because all lesbo's are . why don't you admit you are a mangina. Ima horndog
:-/ Too complicated...I believe you.
That's funny
I'm shocked that people are still fucking shocked.
A political whore putting out for a corporate John.....No shit?!
I know...it is A day of the week after all.
The (California) Democratic Machine is really showing their cards as the big business fascists they really are.
The State spent the last years (decades) intentionally doing nothing on Water in order to capitalize on another Crisis Capitalism event.
Jerry Brown and Team Obomba want droughts, panic and a reason to otherwise create new regimes of control and rationing.
They stick it to the People, while the Oil and Food industries get everything they want without even asking.
They will fine people $500 for watering a lawn, but they still continue to build new almond orchards in the Central Valley.
The hilarious part of all of this is they also want all kinds of growth by importing and supporting millions of illegals, even though they talk about about there are not enough resources to support the expanding cities and water demand.
The Big Cities in California must get their water from the Pacific in the future, which means solar powered desalination and passive de-sal.
Half of the millions of acre feet of water sent down the canals to SF and LA evaporate before usage. How is that progress and efficiency?
No cloud seeding, big regulatory hurdles, kill the small farmer for big agribusiness, pump more fracking poison in the aquifers.
The Democrats (and their impotent Republicans) might as well be Big Business Nazis.
I always thought it was crazy that those canals were left uncovered in an arid environment.
As for those almond orchards... well, my almond butter costs have risen 25% in the last year or so.
Damn right, they should fine people $500 for watering a lawn or filling a pool. The water definitely should go to the farmers, who are producing something of value to each and every one of us.
Fuck the liberal assholes in the cites, and the pond scum illegals infesting the place like a disease. I hope your million dollar shacks become worthless when the water finally runs out. Serves you right for being so stupid and crowding into a known desert. Next time, try making an adult decision.
Fuck you! Free the Sacramento Delta Smelt!
And it's damn time to repopulate the dry Russian River with salmon! Free the salmon!
Brought to you by your local Federal District Court.
“If we don’t take it out of our ground, we’ll take it out of someone else’s,” Brown said.
"someone else's...who might also be having a water shortage...maybeeeee..." Brown trailed off.
How many times do the rest of you say to yourself, while watching idiots and lemmings interviewing the elite..."ASK THE QUESTION, ASK THE QUESTION!!!"???
lmao
exceptional CA amis
can't even get something so simple as this right
tic toc
doomed
Doomed. Check out the Dan Wigington youtube vid posted up thread. CA is doomed. The Kulaks of this go round. Reposting the link.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lh5pJPBlOE&feature=youtu.be
And there is something being added to the air and water. Metal nano-particles. Everbody [who doesn't get out of Dodge] gets alzheimers and dementia. Here's the question and answer from the same presentation.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=y1xd0XMDaQE
He says there's nowhere to run to, but if you listen carefully, he leaves a hint.
Special interests?
Democrat politicians got exempted to!
http://lonelyconservative.com/2014/08/nancy-pelosis-district-exempt-from...
Water in the West is political. Always has been.
Yeah yeah we've all seen Chinatown.
Forget it, Jake.
Ha. Fucking. HA!!!
I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE
so in other words...poor people get no water....rich no prob!
Can't wait until the poor throng the wealthy areas all summer because there's no water available anywhere else.
Well, supposedly, they're shitting all over the SF Financial District, so there is some pay back.
How are the oil leases written? If they don't get water does the money to the state dry up?
This whole thing is about government picking winners and losers. If it was not regulated the industries who could turn the best profit for use of the water would buy it.
Governor Brown is a wise man. You need fossil fuels to produce coca cola.
Environmental diversions are NOT subject to restrictions either, so they can still truck in water to support fish that would normally diasappear during a drought and they can continue to dump 250,000 ACRE feet a year to in the mono dust bowl to mitigate dust-that's been there for 10,000 years.
Lol...if Mono dried up on its own we would all be dead of thirst...I for one helped to save Mono. We should re water Owens lake as well. The city of LA spills and leaks more water than is used by citizens. Overpaid DWP workers leave no money for preventive maintenance. Personally, I could live without all of LA. The town has zero redeeming qualities. The whole Owens valley water rape is a sad chapter in our states history. The pipline as envisioned by William Mulholland is brilliant and certainly enriched the landowners in the San Fernando Valley something that William Mulholland did not for see and was disheartened by. We screwed by by turning the Owens valley into a desert. ..
This why I've never believed This drought bullshit. The government has been for many years diverting water from certain areas to create drought conditions while supplying it for the purposes of pith a be it global warming or the salmon or farmers you name it.
Leaving the state with the biggest smile on my face. Can't wait for this shit hole to eat itself.
-- "This why I've never believed This drought bullshit."
So there really is a lot of snow in the Sierras? The reservoirs are full?
Snow yes but we've had a good amount of rain from some good storms. When the state wants to make something look drought ridden they cut the water off and then say, "look, see, see, global warming drought."
They just hired three more "thought leaders" about debating this issue further even though they've been debating this issue for 20 years. Moonbeam wanted to raise taxes on the state because the parks didn't have funding. Shortly there after it was learned that 2 secret funds were holding over $54 million dollars that were meant to go to the parks. Moonbeams' reply was never mind.
Doesn't she look so sweet and innocent? No liberal progressives woman would ever do anything to harm people would they?
http://audio.californiareport.org/archive/R201207201630/a
Many resevoirs were drained after 3/11/11 (Fukushima exploding) because the water was too contaminated with radiation to drink. Unfortunately, they emptied them into a draught - no water to fill them back up.
Turns out no one cares anymore about the radiation anyway, and all the water we're getting now is full of enriched uranium and plutonium, so it was all just a waste of water.
Bottoms's up!
They WERE full, until 2011 when most of the water was released to the ocean, ostensibly to help save an invasive species of fish from dying off, the delta smelt (I think that was it's name) The current drought would still be occurring, but there would be water in resovoirs to keep the agriculture watered.
Much better to have it go to the farmers or the fish. These are valuable resources. Liberal assholes and their lawns are not. Move back east or to mexico, where you came from. That is the problem. Too many assholes moved there.
That can't possibly be true because we know the Democrats are for the little guy and the Republicans are for the rich big corporations and since the Democrats have run the state assembly since 1970 their can't be exclusions for the big rich oil corporations. Big rich oil corporations only give to the Republicans. Democrats good, Republicans bad. Mean ole nasty for-the-rich Republicans!
Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
$5 a gallon gas coming to CA. It is already $1 per gallon higher than in AZ. Socialism in action.
and $10 a gallon water
eventually everyone will end up on the exempt list except:
gun-owning christian heterosexual white males
Shame we we cant shoot down the ceaseless army of chemtrail planes and set the jetstream right.
At this point in the game, how can anyone be shocked or surprised? The .gov's + bankers are running the show and there's nothing you can do about it. Thirsty Cali's love their Dems.
hydraulic despotism
Fracking activity constituted 0.5% of state water consumption. Heavily subsidized agriculture accounts for 80%. Neither industry should be exempt from conservation targets. A one percent reduction in ag use exceeds all of the production limits Gov. Brown instituted yesterday, and all of the water consumed, in total, by fracking.
<< I would use my limited water to drink AND make food
<< I would use my limited water to pump black shit out of the ground
Then again, the Californian agribusiness (and the policy makers on their payroll) wouldn't care for a second if the food they produced where dumped directly into the ocean as long as they got their profits, which kind of takes my entire point away.
It actually appears to be much less than 0.5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California
1acre-foot = 325,851 gallons
34 million acre-ft / 365 days * 325,851ga = CA daily water use for Ag
CA daily water use for Ag / 2million gallons = 15,176
So assuming the figure of 2Mil gallons for fracking use daily is accurate then that's 1/15,176th of ag use. This equals 0.0066%
Also an insignificant number in comparison to everyone in the LA basin flushing the toilet twice a day.
What California needs is an investment in water infrastructure that its citizens have been stupidly blocking for decades. Fracking revenues might help pay for some of that.
Brown is a kook but at least he's a kook who understands finance.
All advanced civilizations have depended ultimately upon water engineeering to allow concentrated human activity. The West Coast has been not just been blocking new infrastructure but blowing up old dams and thus decreasing the inherited assets already on hand.
“If we don’t take it out of our ground, we’ll take it out of someone else’s”
That's "deep"
Dublin, California new $35M Waterpark.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/dublin-residents-question-timing-of-building-new-water-park/
People have lost their minds!!!
Go to your link and local news video starts playing saying the persistent offshore high is moving south and rain is forcasted for the weekend. Utah [NSA] must have told them about recent chatter indicating the frogs boiling are starting to suspect something devious and ask questions.
Why the surprise and outrage? All systems predicate their output.
The power groups that run the U.S. are: 1) Farm Lobby 2) Extraction Industries (Oil, Coal, Minerals) 3) Military Industrial Security Complex 4) Private Banking Corporations and Wall Street 5) Zionist/AIPAC lobby.
Your vote does not matter, even at the State Level.
Why doesn’t your vote matter? The 17’Th amendment eviscerated State’s rights, and now States are vassals of Washington, with no real power. The 16’th, 17’th, Federal Reserve Act, IRS and Debt Spreading Credit type money, all work together like a machine to enslave Americans to debt money means. This date of infamy, 1912, is clearly when American Federalism was overturned.
Of the power groups listed, private banking is the big dog. They are the tail that wags everything else. Senators get their bribe lobbyist money via 17’th from “international” corporations, and hence they are not beholden to their states, or states voting constituents. 16’th amendment is “income tax” which is used to backstop banks – remember TARP?
It would be a simple matter, if it were allowed, to issue debt free money into infrastructure to then cut water usage. In today’s world, that money could then go into the economy and be directed toward conservation, building de-salination plants, Solar Arrays – etc. But, there will be little activity directed properly, as States must issue BONDS to attract existing money from the money supply.
These bonds are then insured via interest rate swaps, and the bankers always win with these security contracts. Remember the LIBOR scandal? These sneaky rent schemes from Wall Street, mean that States are hamstrung and cannot maneuver. End result is that Wall Street money managers become enriched, and the States become destitute.
Some state bonds will end up on banker ledger during a hypothecation event. In this case, Banker gets his usury via this route: 1) Voter pays taxes 2) Government directs the tax revenue at banker. Voter does not have his full value of the money, because the principle eventually gets recalled to ledger for destruction.
(In other words, Bonds have two actions – create new credit, or pull existing credit out of money supply.)
It would be a simple matter for a State to create an alternate purchasing medium, and buy and sell within that medium. This is already done with many mutual currencies. That way they could avoid Wall Street and their pernicious influence.
But, Senator’s won’t allow an alternate purchasing medium, because of top down control from Washington. Debt Free Sovereign Money is also unlikely due to how deeply the private banking parasites are dug in.
It will be surprising if the Farmer’s go along with losing their water. It’s likely many smaller farmers are in debt, and hence their lands will be harvested by banks in order to cancel said debts.
Astute observation. Although I consider myself a leftist (not a Democrat), I see that the only reason that government has become so large in terms of welfare and defense expenditures is in order to paper over the fundamental contradictions of the usurious debt-backed, privatized monetary system by:
Our government, both in terms of taxation and spending, would (quite ironically) shrink dramatically in size if the issuing power were returned to it. Welfare to working-age people, for example, could be transformed into the temporary relief program that it was intended to be in order to tide people over until they found work, rather than a means of substituting for the countless trillions stolen in profit, interest, and rent. Military spending would go down significantly; in the absence of a debt-backed monetary system, economic growth would not be needed in order to merely maintain the status quo, and so the military would be much less needed to protect shipping lanes and friendly dictatorships from piracy and revolution.
More importantly, though, the debt-fueled "middle" working class would have for the first time the opportunity to save money rather than being mired in debt. Combined with worker-based, rather than shareholder-based, management of enterprises, less money would go to investors as divide and more would go to working people's income and price reductions for goods and services. For the first time in human history, given the abundance of the modern era, we could have broadly shared economic health and prosperity.
MEFOBILLS - good to see your posting. I thought you disappeared.
They can have the 2M gallons a day provided they don't pump it back into the aquafer when they are done with it. That latter part ruins a lot more than the 2M gallons that started the shit show.
Duh. Who could have imagined? :-)
Can you imagine what would happen if we unplugged the 9M barrels of oil that fracking kicks out every day?
THE DECLINE OF THE WORLD’S MAJOR OIL FIELDS
Aging giant fields produce more than half of global oil supply and are already declining as group, Cobb writes. Research suggests that their annual production decline rates are likely to accelerate.http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/0412/The-decline-of-the-world-s-major-oil-fields
This was written in 2013....
This is yet another reason you want market forces to determine resource allocation. If oil producers (or anyone else) are using so much water, they would pay accordingly. When the state allocates resources, the burden gets shifted and you have a moral hazard.
States should not allocate resources. State and the Fed are and have never been good at capital or resource allocation.
Whaaaaat? Jerry Brown not standing up for the little guy? They must be makin that shit up........
money talks, bullshit walks
let's blame Putin
Umm actually we can blame Putin. He's just a communist supporting communists. What else is new?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/putin-helped-fund-sierra-cl...
The industrial companies selling their byproduct fluoride should be weary. If the demand for their industrial waste, excuse me, pharmaceutical compound diminishes, then they will have to pay the high fees of toxic waste storage instead of selling it as a medicinal product.
And, if it's actually a medicinal product -- why are they administering it into my body without controlled dosages? Why are they administering it into my body at all, if it's only good for the teeth?
I'm going to have a discussion with my city engineers, soon.
Oil and gas industry should be required to switch to sea water.
You really think pumping salt water into the ground is a good idea?
The Romans plowed the Carthaginian fields with salt and that was the end of Carthage forever.
I think people with the screen name HenryHall should be made to spend 3 weeks in jail each month. Just sayn'
If we are breakn all communist and stuff
I like HenryHall's idea, of strictly using sea water to frack, because it should be fairly easy to obtain vast quantities. I don't think a rock, nor fault line can tell the difference between fresh or sea water when it is hammered hard, and sea water may be more easily detected as to leakage or seepage, into established underground freshwater aquifers.
Whereas, fresh water consumption above ground shall always be a problem for CA, especially during drought conditions. Even tho they already have an old infrastructure-pipeline (river size) east of the Continental Divide (Breckenridge, CO) supplying pristine water to points west, it simply can't keep up with today's above ground demand.
Side note: Why in heck didn't GW Bush, or Obama & Congress create 'worthy infrastructure' pipelining freshwater from the southern mississippi -due west- that could have actually helped those along the way, those that chose to raise crops in desert conditions. By the way, the 'dead zone' of the mississippi river extends easily 2500 square miles into the Gulf of Mexico. Diverting the mississippi in huge volume, to points west should help the manmade Louisiana delta destruction that is also quite the environmental problem, to become more natural again. CA, AZ, NM, TX would love to have nitrogen rich, organic rich river water delivered to their door, perhaps follow the I-10, or the I-20 roadway corridors. The Gulf of Mexico itself, isn't loving it, for quite some time now. For such a thing to work, various serious filters would have to be used along the way, which should benefit those filter locations financially (think heavy metals, pumping, & whatever). Oh yeah and if you wanted to be somewhat brilliant about it, make the thing with US steel & materials...and poof GW Bush's wrong turn with the economy, could have been righted somewhat, with just 1 project, carried out properly. By the way is that commuter railroad between ST.Louis & Chicago, made any fantastic headlines of Millions Employed, or Evironments Changed for the Better, or CA Agri Gets Supercharged for the next 100 Years, or New PUmping stations deliver water One Direction & actually clean UP Some of the Shit PeoPle Have been throwing in da River.
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Fuck Calipornia, sooner that shithole drops in the ocean the better, or dries up.
You need to pump oil to make jet fuel to fly jets to geo-engineer to cause drought to cause water shortage to let government dictatorship decide what's best for the folks.
And in california that's easy. Just get a celebratard to drink a bottle of water a tell you how much your helping save the planet. I think they should all develope a taste for radioactive sea water and really feel good about thenselves.
What Will The Death Of The Great Bakken Oil Field Look Like??
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1428246720.php
On one hand, conventional peaked years ago -- and shale saved the day (recall Boone Pickens comments on cnBS about how without shale we'd have been fucked in 2008?)
But shale has maybe 2 years more before it not only peaks --- but collapses... because shale is a short term play made shorter by sticking as many straws as possible into the ground to suck that oil dry as fast as possible (to make up for declines in conventional oil)
Conclusion: we have less than 2 years to live because when total production peaks collapse will hit.
WE ----- ARE ---- FUCKED
Can't frack if you can't borrow the money. They're going to run out of money before they run out of oil and gas.
The fracking ponzi is over.
Haha, just vote your way outta this mess.
And what about Silly-Con Valley? How do you think all those servers are cooled? With unicorn tears?
Closed-loop systems. Using city water to cool is a last resort.
Most of the big data halls being built now use evaporative cooling: Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Facebook. They do use lots of water.
Well, they can always stop that and they can then begin to "shoulder the burden" of increased unemployment, cold and darkness.