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How Many People Will Have To Migrate Out Of California When All The Water Disappears?
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
The drought in California is getting a lot worse. As you read this, snowpack levels in the Sierra Nevada mountains are the lowest that have ever been recorded. That means that there won’t be much water for California farmers and California cities once again this year. To make up the difference in recent years, water has been pumped out of the ground like crazy. In fact, California has been losing more than 12 million acre-feet of groundwater a year since 2011, and wells all over the state are going dry. Once the groundwater is all gone, what are people going to do?
100 years ago, the population of the state of California was 3 million, and during the 20th century we built lots of beautiful new cities in an area that was previously a desert. Scientists tell us that the 20th century was the wettest century in 1000 years for that area of the country, but now weather patterns are reverting back to normal. Today, the state of California is turning back into a desert but it now has a population of 38 million people. This is not sustainable in the long-term. So when the water runs out, where are they going to go?
I have written quite a few articles about the horrific drought in California, but conditions just continue to get even worse. According to NPR, snowpack levels in the Sierra Nevada mountains are “just 6 percent of the long-term average”…
The water outlook in drought-racked California just got a lot worse: Snowpack levels across the entire Sierra Nevada are now the lowest in recorded history — just 6 percent of the long-term average. That shatters the previous low record on this date of 25 percent, set in 1977 and again last year.
California farmers rely on that water. Last year, farmers had to let hundreds of thousands of acres lie fallow because of the scarcity of water, and it is being projected that this year will be even worse…
More than 400,000 acres of farmland were fallowed last year because of scarce water. Credible sources have estimated that figure could double this year.
Fortunately, many farmers have been able to rely on groundwater in recent years, but now wells are running dry all over the state. Here is more from NPR…
Last year was already a tough year at La Jolla Farming in Delano, Calif. Or as farm manager Jerry Schlitz puts it, “Last year was damn near a disaster.”
La Jolla is a vineyard, a thousand-or-so acres of neat lines of grapevines in the southern end of the San Joaquin Valley. It depends on water from two sources: the federal Central Valley Project and wells.
Until last year, Schlitz says, wells were used to supplement the federal water.
“Now, we have nothing but wells. Nothing. There’s no water other than what’s coming out of the ground,” he says.
Last year, one of those wells at La Jolla dried up. The farm lost 160 acres — about a million dollars’ worth of produce, plus the wasted labor and other resources.
Are you starting to understand the scope of the problem?
Despite all of the wonderful technology that we have developed, we are still at the mercy of the weather.
And if this drought continues to drag on, it is absolutely going to cripple a state that contains more than 10 percent of the total U.S. population.
In an attempt to fight the water shortage, Governor Jerry Brown has instituted statewide water restrictions for the first time ever…
California announced sweeping statewide water restrictions for the first time in history Wednesday in order to combat the region’s devastating drought, the worst since records began.
Governor Jerry Brown issued the declaration at a press conference in a parched, brown slope of the Sierra Nevada mountains that would normally be covered by deep snow.
“Today, we are standing on dry grass where there should be five feet (1.5 meters) of snow,” Brown said. “This historic drought demands unprecedented action.”
So what will these restrictions include?
The following is a summary from Natural News…
- A ban on non-drip irrigation systems for all new homes.
- A requirement for golf courses and cemeteries to “reduce water consumption.” (And yet, the very idea of green golf courses in the middle of a California desert is insane to begin with…)
- Force farmers to report more details on their water usage so that the state government can figure out where all the water is going (and where to restrict it even further).
- Outlawing the watering of grass on public street medians.
- Discussions are also under way to throw “water wasters” in jail for up to 30 days, according to another LA Times article. The most likely source of intel for incarcerating water wasters will be neighborhood snitches who monitor water usage of nearby homes and call the authorities if they see too much water being used.
If the drought does not go on for much longer, these restrictions may be enough.
But what if it continues to intensify?
The following graphic shows the U.S. Drought Monitor map for the state of California for each of the last five years in late March…
It doesn’t take a genius to see the trend.
And scientists tell us that this might just be the beginning. There have been megadroughts in that area of the country that have lasted more than 100 years in the past, and there are fears that another megadrought may have begun. The following comes from National Geographic…
California is experiencing its worst drought since record-keeping began in the mid 19th century, and scientists say this may be just the beginning. B. Lynn Ingram, a paleoclimatologist at the University of California at Berkeley, thinks that California needs to brace itself for a megadrought—one that could last for 200 years or more.
As a paleoclimatologist, Ingram takes the long view, examining tree rings and microorganisms in ocean sediment to identify temperatures and dry periods of the past millennium. Her work suggests that droughts are nothing new to California.
“During the medieval period, there was over a century of drought in the Southwest and California. The past repeats itself,” says Ingram, who is co-author of The West Without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climate Clues Tell Us About Tomorrow. Indeed, Ingram believes the 20th century may have been a wet anomaly.
If this is a megadrought, it is just a matter of time until massive migration will become necessary.
In fact, one UN official is already talking about it…
If the state continues on this path, there may have to be thoughts about moving people out, said Lynn Wilson, academic chair at Kaplan University and who serves on the climate change delegation in the United Nations.
“Civilizations in the past have had to migrate out of areas of drought,” Wilson said. “We may have to migrate people out of California.”
Wilson added that before that would happen, every option such as importing water to the state would likely occur— but “migration can’t be taken off the table.”
So how many people will ultimately have to leave if this drought continues for many years?
5 million?
10 million?
20 million?
And where will they go?
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I can make $100k as a senior burger flipper? I'm moving there.
Los Angeles Metro Area population: 12 million
Conservative water usage per capita: 50 gal/day
VLCC capacity: 2MM bbl *42 gal/bbl = 84 million gallons
LA water usage: 7 VLCCs of water per day
Cost per day to run VLCC: $60k
VLCC deliver = 1400 gallons per dollar of operating cost per day
VLCC can pump 1.3 million gallons per hour, travel speed of 15kts = 17mph
850 miles from Oregon to Los Angeles, so 2 days of travel.
Let's count 3 days, round trip = 6 days of operation, so you get 1400/6= 233 gallons per dollar, delivered.
Much ado about nothing if you just think.
count new food prices?
Exactly where in Oregon do you plan to get this water?
At what price?
The Hanford site?
For free?
You propose to take water from the Pacific Northwest and pipe it to California?
Just exactly when did you get this death wish of yours?
if it will keep them there for fuck's sake get them some water!
They need a pipeline for water lets call it KEYSTONE and Obama can veto it!!
Better yet, let them bring in water via rail tank car, Buffet will love it and Obama certainly won't veto it.
...and it'll be much less likely to cause huge flaming explosions!
History informs that people won't migrate, but will be forced out.
Being that Tyranny's Paradox #1 is: Tyranny must both control and oppress their victims while simultaneously sustaining themselves off of those same victim's backs and production.
Going to be interesting to see who they force out. Those that they use to sustain themselves in power via votes or those they steal the most wealth from.
The banksters need to repay us.
"After gaining entry, shooting the dog, and killing the homeowner who our raid woke from a nap, our water enforcement team proceeded to search and seize 40 gallons of illicit water. We also found a fully loaded water-pistol."
Give them a manufactured defected life buoy, wooden spoon oar, and broken manufacturered free condom from the Democratic Party. They can find their way back to Mexico.
Agenda 21 in play via the manufactured Malthusian Crisis using SRM / ENMOD / HAARP / Weather Manipulation Tecnologies to migrate numbers of people. "Arc of Crisis"
Ain't it great !
When I see the UN chirping in re: moving people *out, my radar goes off.
Depopulate area, "crash" shelter (housing) and land values. Impoverish those whose major "asset" is the family home (the sale of which, via "downsizing", was a key part of their retirement provisions), and ensure that these "distressed purchases" are managed by the usual suspects (preferably with a taxpayer-subsidised back-stop in case of unforeseen difficulties).
Wonder what happens then. Are there "valuable assets" located under the soil (gas & oil already), so the better-connected are planning ahead (cheap land acquisition, very valuable assets out of view), or are there plans (again, well-connected) to fix the water problem via other means (climate management / cloud seeding - not exactly modern technology)?
Who knows, but when I hear the "connected" suggesting depopulation of any area, I now think "who has got their beady eye on that land, and for what profitable purpose"??
Gun control, bullets and guillotines scare United Nations Agenda 21. Wait until we defunded and throwback to international community semi periphery desperation piggyback funding within World Bank and IMF cunts.
Your Children Willhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq0kzb_Vz0c
Digital currency is going to expose yourself. We don't plan to embark on your fucked up cyber Executive Order threat system. You're creating the next crisis, we will stick with USD universal currency. Cash. When you decide to dump it, watch out for the second ammendment. Got that White House Negro Muslim Rat?
Bingo. All planned by the central planners. Adolf Kissinger said, "Control the food, control the people". All the full reservoirs were drained to the sea by legislative dirty tricks thanks to the likes of commies Boxer, Feinstein and friends.That was before the drought. Go to youtube and listen to one of the chemtrail pilots say that they are spraying the light metallic dust to cause the drought, which makes perfect sense when you consider that it is just the opposite of seeding clouds with silver iodide.
And don't buy all that paleo BS out of Berkeley. Those tree rings came from trees, of which CA has billions. Do you think all those forests grew in desert conditions?? No, CA has a history of plenty of rainfall, Check the history of the Spanish land grants and the incredible fortunes made raising cattle almost everywhere in the state.
And please don't quote that rag Unnatural News. And why is it that ZH is always so eager to join the MSM scare tactics, like the scourges of ebola, swine and bird flu,......, Always picking up the stories from unreliable sources. Do your own research, and write your own.
if the water is not moved to the
people the people must/will move to the
water.
there is our freedom.
Invading other people's lands is their freedom?
This is a phalanx of 20 million Democrats expecting to move into someone else's territory and start giving them orders.
How about we let them die of thirst and the nation will have many fewer problems and a lot less disagreement about what needs to be done to solve the remaining difficulties.
the republicans are equally minded, regan's revolution
was financed out of california too.
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Don Covay-I Was Checking Out She Was Checking In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOu1Tc4Eu4o
"And they will become women! (Belinda Jenner & a seemingly endless number of hormone distruptors in the environment to involuntarily convert the rest) A sword against her treasures, and they will be plundered! A drought on her waters, and they will be dried up! For it is a land of idols, And they are mad over fearsome idols" Jeremiah 37-38
e.g.
BPA - a chemical used in plastics imitating the sex hormone estrogen in your body
Atrazine - researchers have found that exposure to even low levels of the herbicide atrazine can turn male frogs into females that produce completely viable eggs
http://www.nrdc.org/health/atrazine/
I don't know long term, but California has waited desperately for the El Nino state to appear and cause the Pacfic moisture to flow into California. Because the larger Pacific cycle has changed, this years El Nino formed way out in Mid Ocean, not near the South and Central American coasts, as normally. A Mid Ocean El Nino is associated with dry conditions for California because the Pacific Moisture does not flood into California. This is bad news for California, the savior has turned out to be a false one. So for now, California is screwed, unless some other weather system we can't predict comes along to save them. They might just be in a long term drought, as palio climate shows does often happen to them.
My guess is the rich will stay, the poor will head for good welfare states.
Jack, el Nino /ENSO is a very short-term cycle; typically 3-4 years.
The Pacific Decadal Oscillation is about 60 years in total , and we switched to the cool (30 year) phase in 1999. That means we get a greater preponderance of la Nina, and fewer el Nino.
But it's quite a long time since California had a mega-drought , so a much longer cycle may be involved.
The De Vries cycle is about 200 years , but there are cycles of the order of 1000 years.
CA is screwed because environmentalists don't want to build dams. Fck the desert turtles and the trees in that little reservoir area; people are more important.
Build and subsidize more carbon based car's to put more water vapor emissions into atmosphere. How will the vegan eat without a Co2 photosynthesis cycle process?
Water vapor creates the greenhouse effect until you begin to geo-engineer the collapsing atomphere which needs the sun to renew upper thermosphere. Should we send are politicians up there to fix the problem? We can tax their income to fix sun, and repairing the lack of CME sun exposure to replace to atompheric upper collapse. Of course, it's are fault. Yet you never address the sun. Shall we tax it? Al Gore is a simpleton cunt. Don't forget, we have the Obama wanker who held the patent on carbon tax. .
No they're not. People are the problem absolutely everywhere, just a plague on the face of the earth and breeding like flies. Never mind Califiornia, we need planetwide depopulation. As usual California is leading the way. You can mock environmentalists/Commies/socialists or whatever abuse you can dream up, but the contradictions of global capitalism are coming to bite a lot of asses in your neighbourhood. California today, someplace else tomorrow. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
As the water drys up, the water-dependent businesses & communities , eg agriculture, a BIG business in CA, dry up.
As the water-dependent businesses dry-up, the water-INdependent businesses & communities dry-up.
AS the businesses & communities dry-up, the employment & various government revenues dry-up, AND the muni bonds start defaulting.
What CA muni bonds do you own ?
Hopefully the Okies will be able to shit on the California refugees, just like they were shat upon during the dust bowl.
We do not want any of those Zombies coming to are state. They will turn it into a basket case. I do not even want to say what state it is so no will get any ideas.
OT: At camp last week for 12-13 year olds:
"Do you want to hear a funny joke?"
"Sure"
"OBAMA"
All the kids laughed.
Sell California to Mexico and build a border fence around it. Need to keep the illegals from spilling over the border.
The poor people would have to leave (Mexicans and illegal aliens working the fields). Then the Chinese and middle class. That would leave only Q99X2 and the wealthy bitchez.
This land is not your land. This land is my land. From California to the New York island . . . . this land was made for me me me.
If it wasn't for the "foresight" of Mulholland back about circa 1900 none of this would be an issue. Like Las Vegas just desert.
California and water
The Fed and money
Obama and healthcare
ahhhh, the best laid plans are alway the worse shit when .gov does the planning. Who does Nancy Pelosi represent? Hint: you have to drink the water to find out what's in it.
100% correct.
That's the thing I beat the Obama-loving fucking idiots that voted for the fag/fraud.
Fuckbama is big government...and the stups can't connect hizassole with that fucking fact.
Fuck race. Hammer the next Fuckbamavik with that like a nail at an Amish barn raising....
Morons....
You have to drink the water to find out what's in it.
If you like your drought, you can keep your drought.
Brown: "where there should be five feet (1.5 meters) of snow"
Should be? Really? Who says?
This kind of delusional thinking occurs with people who believe the earth remains stable over time and only mankind induces "climate change". They are entirely oblivious to well established, long-term planetary trends and cycles. In a former age, they would have been no less devout flat-earthers.
Americans have been indoctrinated to avoid the truth, at all costs.
Hollywood haa a lot to do with it, as well as TV land.
Hollywood can stay back in Kalifawnia
I just drilled another well on my orange ranch. We now have 3. Water problems??? FUCK em.
Might want to tell Bendover Brown to check out http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
So California is FINALLY getting serious about water conservation?
HA!
Born and raised in Seattle, the land of rain and water, it always amazed me that our area was crazy about replacing the old style 3.5 gallon toilets with the 1.6 gallon toilets to conserve water. I mean, c'mon, it's Seattle. But ok saving water makes sense. Yet every time I would go to visit California and go to the bathroom in a house that was built before 1994, they still had the old style toilets.
Every damn time for over two decades. That convinced me that Califormians, no matter the Bay Area, LA, or the desert, the ones with money who can afford to do basic upgrades to conserve water, simply didn't give a damn about it.
It's the lawns and gardens, and pools, not the toilets or the sinks. Of course mostly it's the rice fields and the vegetables. Anyway, my apartment finally went to low-flow toilets about a year ago, if that makes you happy. To my surprise they actually work pretty well, though sometimes have to be flushed twice for a big load. I really miss the little swirly-bowls at the dentists office, but someone decided those weren't a good idea twenty years ago.
Desalination to the rescue - for cities.
For agriculture - uh-oh.
Well..based on the fact that this story is on MSM... one can only conclude that its most likely not true..and part of an agenda.
Since when do we hear about the REAL probs of the us/world being honestly reported?
Hoax/agenda..money is most likely involved here... heck if it it aint snow in new england..must be droughts in the desert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uSz0mEtEsQ
DESAL has problems too.
-First, you have to pump the brine back out into the ocean, and wherever you pump it (especially if that is an estuary), you might lessen the natural productivity (fisheries, etc.).
-Second, there is the risk that the power plant chosen to build desal at will be an older, higher-polluting plant, which will "outbid" the other plants in order to avoid being taken offline and replaced, at great cost to its owner, by a cleaner newer plant.
-Third, desal can require a lot of power, and therefore a lot of fossil fuel or whatever energy.
-Fourth, there is a lot of pumping, and marine critters can grow in the pipes, and maintenance can be expensive.
The way infrastructure works, you do the cheap, easily maintained, and clearly safe stuff first, and then, if you continue to "develop" and "crowd", you add stuff that is more expensive to build, more difficult to maintain, and more possibly risky, whether you define risk as "public safety" or "environmental productivity". That's why "less" can be "better".
Ths for this primer. Who knew?
Not to worry, the Liberal Democratic Leaders of the USSA would never divert a dime from their losing game of Risk and murder for Greater Israel. Planning for these types of contingencies for the benefit of US Subjects is just not Kosher.
We've spotted a few of them here in SW Colorado. There is talk of bounties.
Some History.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yJJWXhXbuI
Build a fence around it and any commifornian that tries to escape, shoot them. They can't be allowed to spread their commie ideas all over Murica!
If million dollar postage stamp sized lots and 8,000 a month rents for a basic 1,000 sq ft house haven't caused a mass migration, it looks like nothing will, not even thirst.
Let 'em dry to dust.
Human consumption of water in California is negligible. Moving literally all 38 million people out of California won't solve the underlying problem. The question becomes, how important is California's agricultural industry really to the economy of California?
Yeah, how could agriculture in a desert state have an impact, since it was written in an old book by people who didn't know where the sun was at night, that you were the crown of all living beings and it was gods wish you should plunder nature...
Yeah, let's send all the agriculture elsewhere, and the Mexican farm workers with them...Hola!
I say toss out the immigrants both legal and illegal. Why do we need all these rich Chinese buying up property in California? also there must be millions of illegals there to. Stop the madness in this country keep packing it with people who dont really care to be Americans and just come because there is nothing in their own country. Its time to stop all immigration and think about the country the resources and quality of life. We have 320 million and headed toward 450 what is the next place to drain the resources?
You are talking about madness in California.
It doesn't surprise me, that you did not even mention the biggest madness: agriculture in a desert state.
But hey, that probably would hurt the insanity to believe, that the market and greed can solve problems...
ps: White genocide is another problem, but the immigrants did not suck the country dry - that is ONLY the result of the perverse mindset, that man should rule over nature, greed was good, that the market was a problem solver and government was bad. Conquering a paradise and destroyed within a two centuries. Capitalism and Communism. The two sides of Jewish materialism.
It was extremely beautiful here in Silicon Valley back when only the Ohlone Indians were here, or so I've read.
Silicon Valley was always ugly, nothing but mud flats, you have to get up in the hills for anything nice.
damn golfaphobes-lets shun and ban these antigolfits.
I live here; you're wrong. Also, mud flats can be very beautiful. A hell of a lot more beautiful than what has replaced them.
I propose selling CA to China, a swap for gold, the USSA could then return the gold it stole from Germany and other nations, and the new culture would be generally compatible. China would have to KEEP all current residents for reeducation as necessary.
Water and JOBS in one fell swoop!
NAWAPA XXI - North American Water And Power Alliance
Animated Overview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NdKsZrG9RA&feature=youtu.be
1964 Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0QS9AaMfvY&feature=youtu.be
Native to Los Angeles 39 years.. Beginning May, I make my trek east to Texas. Don't worry, I ain't your run of the mill Commiefornian... I am just as sick of the progressives, fags, and feminists as the rest of you. I have had enough of this clown show.
God please don't come here. I'm sure you are nice enough, but come on.
Yeah, after the unregulated depletion of water, because of agriculture in a desert state and because the denial of wasting water privately in pools would restrict individual freedom and greed is good and the market solves all problems, the correct answer of nomadic parasites is, to move on, once the land is plundered and squeezed dry and blame the destruction of the former paradise on someone else.
Nothing personal, but Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Barbra Boxer and Jerry Brown have not done much to enhance tbe view Texans have of Californians.
Austin is worse. Enjoy.
Don Covay-I Was Checking Out She Was Checking In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOu1Tc4Eu4o
According to BK, CA may be due for a really big El Nino this year.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-17/pam-was-so-big-she
There is nothing that says the trend of the last 5 years will hold, and nothing that says it won't.
I predict that the majority of Californian's will immigrate to the nearest FEMA Work Camp,after all is said,and done.Once there,they can engage in productive,government sponsered activities,like urinating into radiator hoses,and crapping into mayonaise jars
Dude, we're flyin' them in directly from central America now on the taxpayers dime. No shit. We've even changed their names from Undocumented Immigrants to 'Cams". really.
There are new ways to desalinate they do it in Texas now.
About a 1.50 per barrel frackers use it.
Water? It's called Ace of Spades in the LA.
Johnny Horton - When It's Springtime In Alaska
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtsHDcxZlx0
So if CA becomes a basket case what will that do for US propensity to rile up natiomns around the world ? Will it begin the internal collapse ? Will it settle Isrsaelis in CA to show how to make "the desert bloom" or simply turn it over to the Palestinians ? The Colorado River is none too full either so does that make Texas problematic or Las Vegas a problem when the Hoover Dam runs short ?
Stay the fuck out of Montana. Kalifornians NoT Welcome. The fuckers come here with their heavy handed, Kalifornia, government mindset. They want to change things to be more like where they came from. Fuck them. Why would Montana be more like Kalifornia?---in any respect--let alone water usage policy.
hairball
oh sh!t, they're gonna restrict Bong water too?????
Stop coming to Texas. You parasitic hordes will create the same distaster here that you did there.
Isn't most of Texas just about as drought-ridden?
brawndo?
Two years ago I was working as a state vehicle inspector and all of us noticed an influx of more and more Californians. Sometime we would strike up conversation as to why they'd migrated to Texas. Most of the time it was for a more favorable political climate etc etc. I can only hope the hordes of socialists libtards will seek refuge elsewhere when California finally becomes untenable...
While the "drought monitor" maps made it clear California was in trouble. The liberal Democrat machine were busy with more important things.
Governor Moonbeam $100 billion high speed rail to nowhere.
Senator Feinstein's husband awarded the contract to construct the high speed rail.
Do you ask for more regulations?
Taxes?
The state is evil and regulation harms your individual freedom!
/sarc
The only thing for Jerry Brown to do is to hit the residents leaving with a heavy exit tax, say 50% of the home sales and 50% of savings and pensions. It's only fair. When they move to neighboring states, they should also pay a hefty environmental impact fee where they land. That's because California residents move to other states they see as a better place to live, then vote for the same kind of assholes they elected in California.
Doesn't it go something like this...
There was only one road out of L.A... onto the Hollywood Freeway, and straight out of frantic oblivion.. - U.S. Interstate 15. Just a flat-out high speed burn through Berdoo and Baker and Barstow . Safety. Obscurity. Just another freak, in the freak kingdom.
but den you be missin' all d'high class peepses in Palmdale, Lancastah, 'n Mojave...
I feel left out! You forgot Littlerock, Pearblossom and the EBT, Section 8 Capitol of LA County: Lake Los Angeles! BTW, there hasn't been water in the lake, since the 70's. It was a very good real estate scam.
"Where will they go?"
Mexico. The Mexicans are regretting having big holes in the border with the US. Soon they will scramble to close them to keep the water hungry and thirsty overweight Americans who have 10 times the water needs of equally overweight Mexicans out.
"Despite all of the wonderful technology that we have developed, we are still at the mercy of the weather". Humans are arrogant and think they can control nature. They can, up to a point. Then nature comes back with a vengeance. That is just logic. Nature is not some sort of living entity that hold personal grudges. Nature is a very rational thing. Put garbage in, get garbage out. Simple.
Nature is a very rational thing? Really; that was an irrational statement.
God market solves problems, not the state and regulations! LOL.
Who really need freash water when you have an ocean of salt water? It's just a minor change... right?
(not real talk about starting dersalination from 'Moonbeam')
Deny global warming all you want, and those in highly droughted areas include CO, KS, OK.
During the dust bowl (1930's) it killed many, and ruined much, the commodity price was very fair at the time, the problem in the 4 corners was lack of production. Finally, the Federal gov. leadership of that time insisted on changing the agricultural practices of that time, by force of law with actual inspection & determination to get the massive rape of the land at that time outlawed. It took a great deal of time, there was a huge migration of broke farmers, and the land healed itself somewhat with better practices like contour plowing, and other anti-erosion techniques. http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_23420681
But the farmers of today, be they right or wrong have fallen to the same exact manmade problem of demanding over production of what the land can sustain. They simply are not farmers any longer, no matter what their hat has printed on it, they are agroconglomerates, corporations that expect profits and if they ruin it for others, so be it.
They will not correct themselves, they must be forced to quit wasting the natural resource. And if there was any talent in the leadership of this country, they would have already figured that out, by simply reading about the dust bowl.
wwxx
Climate depends upon nonlinear chains of influence, described by nonlinear equations. When looking at a "drought," even a layman's understanding of Strange Attractors (bi-stable, and generally opposite, states of a chaotic feedback system) leads to a simple understanding. The longer a system hews toward drought, the *more* likely it is to continue in drought...until an unpredictable perturbation almost instantly, and unexpectedly, pushes the system to its opposite phase. The drought doesn't slowly fade - it SNAP! disappears, and reverts to its wetter phase. This will happen in California. The problem is that it's by definition impossible to "predict" when. There is no single cause of a drought. Anyone who claims differently is innumerate.
Ice ages are now realized to work the same way. As are traffic jams and internet congestion. And human emotions and stock markets and three-body gravitational physics......
Lorentz's genius remains way under-appreciated.
Climate model-worshippers' ignorance remains way under-estimated.
yeah well okee, ah tinkin' if'n deys no watah, you can't get no drink, ifn' deys watah, ya drinks...'n exzemptin' d' oil companees was good too...dis hole dam 'conomy run off d'oil...
You seem to be talking about phase transition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition) for eg when water freezes, it goes quickly just like as you say, gridlock on motorways. Off topic a bit, but as an example of small inputs having large effects:
“Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary — the whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim-tab. It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim-tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around; takes almost no effort at all”.
Richard Buckminster Fuller
Drought is caused by lack of precipitation over and extended period of time...really :)
Please Cali residents, stay in your state and keep your bad ideas where they belong.
Back to Mexico
THE WATER RESTRICTIONS ARE A JOKE!
Melbourne Oz water restrictions
155 litres per day person, and we got way be.ow that figure as did many others.
No car washes, no watering gardening, no washing windows, grey water recycling onto the Vege patch, no topping up pools with the hose, fountains got turned off, no public garden watering.
Storm water run off tanks installed on new houses, my friend put 22,000 litre underground tank which also eliminate aged their water consumption.
far too little too late,
litah? litah? soundin' like a whimpy ass social-like euro tank ta me...yeah, d'catchment tank be real poplah here in hawaii, where d'EBT is mo'bettah, 'n you can get off d'plane 'n go down to d'weafare and get 700 dollahs wid no ID, 'n a mescan aksent...man, you be nigro rich...hunned dollah beel 'n a gold toof...
Somebody turn off that stupid weather controlling HAARP machine!!!!!
"We may have to migrate people out of California."
Huh? We? Err, no, I think they mean residents will have to pick up and move. Nobody owes the residents anything.
Forget the water! People already have been moving out due to high taxes, and to more business friendly climates such as Texas.
A free market would take care of this problem although it is a political non-start.
As water dries up, it become more expensive and people find more and more ingenious ways to get more and use less. If it gets expensive enough, there will be pipelines from Washington (state) and maybe all the way from Missouri and over the Rockies. De-salinization, perhaps bathing with salt water, etc. Every drop down gutters would be saved, unemployed people would find wate employment. But politicians will not allow that to happen and they probably wouldn't get elected if they did.
This is going to really be something. I mean, the Joads went west during the last depression, now, their great grandkids will be heading back east as the next one gets underway...
The Great Migration caused by the Great Recession that has sent the rest of the country the economic refugees of Cali, will now morph into MILLIONS bailing out for a glass of water.
This could piss a lot of other states off.
'Here it come ag'in, Ma...'
T. Joad
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ansah d' hedline questshun come on down to "soylent H20" dey watah in dem peepses, just gotstah to get it out suckahs...
'n if'n you wants d'peepses outah dat state of dry, jus cut off d'EBT...
Claim you're muslim and come to Europe. Problem solved! (and I much rather have American immigrants than middle eastern...)
im going back east to where im from
in my parents basement, suckers!
you could build me a house there, and try and give it to me free. I would tell you to keep it. Its got nothing to do with water. the state is an insane asylum run by the inmates. there are enough wanna be governmental masters at the federal level, don't need the state double fisting. sure there are good people who live there. unfortunately pragmatism wins out, and by golly you gotta break a couple eggs for a proper omlet.
"If he dies, he dies". -Drago
Desalination of FUKU-waters... Drink up ya'll.
Barry's voting wetbacks can go home now ... all 10m
How about a pipe line from Canada, Canada has plenty of water. Oh wait Pipeline, that ends it.
The Fremen had the answer on Arrakis; all of a man's water. He no longer needs it once he's dead.
Of course this isn't a new problem; 1967, southern Idaho; water table pumped down 1 foot per day over tens of thousands of acres. 100 yo wells going dry.
Think we'll wake up?
kinda funny, the earth never gives up it's water, the water that Jesus consumed is still here, the water the dinosaurs consumed is still here. until the sun consumes the earth - all the water is still here.
water is a problem to men because of economics. with costs measured in fiat dollars - insanity.
I have to block 11 area codes in California to stop telemarketers. Drought may turn out to be a good thing.
Eleven area codes equals up to 880 million phone numbers. Spoofing is illegal and cheap.
So how many people will ultimately have to leave if this drought continues for many years?
5 million?
10 million?
20 million?
And where will they go?
Back to Mexico, Central America and China where they belong . . .
Unforseen consequences.
"America is a land of immigrants", they intoned.
I just watched the partial lunar eclipse on the shore of Lake Superior. Our lake has enough fresh clean cold water to cover South, Central and North America with two feet. The occasional -40 degree temps in the winter might be a bit off putting to Californians though.
People with enough money to stay there during a drought will have large areas of peace and quiet. Semi trucks will deliver their water from Oregon and Washington. With heavily armed private security they will be in seventh heaven.
I hope POTUS will be able to get a few more rounds in before all the Golf Courses follow the electorate and go Brown.
As the 15% use 90% of the worlds resources; migration (which has already started) will out, as the #1 problem.
Controlling migration will increasingly be a major problem; partly trying to stop it; and partly trying to figure out how to deal with it in a humane way.
Guess which one will win out; England, the U.S., and Australia seem to be the model for a solution.
Bad, very bad, times ahead for not only the disposessed, but the residents as well.
Very ugly future ahead it would seem...
Seriously, all the water is gone. Wait, let's go get a copy of a peak oil book and change oil to water. That will help.
A good chunk of them should take their asses back to Mexico.
Pleeeeeeeeaaassssse leave.
I'll be happy happy to house some of those hot bitches you see on tv.
More worrisome.........where are all those mega-profit prisons and it's employees going to end up at?
Like any other group of jackass politicians trying to stave off collapse, all the usual shit will be tried. Doubling taxes, one shower a week, etc. Anything to stay in power and keep those big fat parasite checks rolling in.
Just checking, there are almost 3000 properties in the greater Rochester area between $3k and $125K. It's a start. Sure, some of these are rentals, raw land or commercial, but Kalifornicators would die for many of these, as opposed to their $600,000 1400 sq. ft. homes.
And there's plenty of water here. So much of it that much of it flows North into Lake Ontario, i.e., the Genesee River.
Problem is, there's no jobs. Kodak used to employ 60,000+, now, about 8,000. Most of the people working here are paper shufflers, school teachers, cops or other useless eater types. Many of them work to service the burgeoning industry that is welfare.
Out in the rural areas, there are lots of farms, thankfully, manned (and womanned) by people who can and will use rifles and shitbums to keep people away from their corn, cherries, apples, peaches, vegetables, etc.
And, governor Moonbeam has nothing on Emperor Cuomo, who is helping out by pitching NO TAXES FOR TEN YEARS to businesses willing to relocate to NY state. Now, don't get me wrong, I like people, but I don't like the Guv giving away land, buildings and resources to people who don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us. If the Guv's plan works out well enough, NOBODY will pay taxes. They're the fucking highest in the nation.
So, note to Kaifornicators. Do NOT come to New York unless you can handle a rake, shovel, hoe and fend for yourself.
But, I am going to buy more property just in case.
Kalifornians would choose death first before upper state NY...half of them couldn't even find NY on a map.
All Californians - PLEASE go to either Mexico or New York City; you won't know the difference.
. . . . . by people who can and will use rifles and shitbums to keep people away from their corn, cherries, apples, peaches, vegetables, etc.
What the hell is a "shitbum"? Is that Neu Yauk slang for "shotgun"??
"Despite all of the wonderful technology that we have developed, we are still at the mercy of the weather."
Let me fix that sentence for you: "Because of the wonderful technology that we have developed, we are now at the mercy of the weather manipulators."
There's a lot of hyperventilating in the news right now, most of which is being driven by Bechtel's California Water Foundation. The reality, however, is that the "mega-drought" ended this last winter. It was an El Nino year for us here. Countless weather systems have arisen in the Pacific and headed our way. So at least on that score, the drought has ended.
What has NOT ended is the relentless chem bombing of every weather system by chemtrail pilots. We watch it every time there is rain forecasted in the news. The skies are clear and blue and beautiful until several days before the rain is supposed to hit. Then the chemtrail flights start and the rain disappears. Any rain that manages to make it through pushes a sickly chemtrail cloud before it. Even Michio Kaku admits on CBS that the cause of the drought is a "mysterious" high pressure system that has set over the state for FOUR YEARS! Four year weather systems? That's natural, right?
Yes, we are in a historic drought, but it is in no way natural. It's not time to leave California and deliver it over to Bechtel clutches. It's time to initiate Nuremberg trials for the perpetrators of this crime against humanity.
Exodus? Great, they'll spread their fucking culture to the rest of the country.
If any Califs are reading, you will not like TN. Trust me. Lots of guns. Lots.
The simplest total win/win situation here is this.
The states surrounding the great lakes form the midwest water compact. In cooperation with the Fed Govt to gain access to right of way on east/west freeways a pipe line, leaving SW of Chicago is laid. The pipeline has multiple terminous points feeding into existing reservours in the SW now near empty but perfect collection/storage points.
The great lakes states, Michigan, Ohio, etc have all suffered from the loss of manufacturing infrastructure and declining tax base that is never coming back. They have an excess of water and as global warming continues more polar melt feeds into the lakes actually causing shoreline problems. Water is a marketable commodity that like oil needs to be moved to market.
The southwest will never have an adequate water supply. They will gladly pay for water. The transport of water is vastly safter than the transportof oil which is already done over long distances.
At a modest penny rate per gallons the midwest would be able to split a fortune in revenue among states that desparately need it. The southwest would have all the water it needed to support maxed out agricultural needs. They could even frack some more shit, just saying.
While this is a pretty large project our society has undertaken more with the TVA and simiilar with the Alaskan and other pipelines. Public works of this scale are what government should be able to conceive of and implement.
Construction unions will go apeshit for the jobs. Governnors of upper midwest states, a mix of Reps and Dems will agree in order to gain income. Governors in of SW states will as well.
Anybody here got the contacts to actually make this happen?
Desalination is cheaper.
The by-product is poisonous. Time to let the very wealthy have California and all the others can move south of the border and that would be much cheaper. Some states are already passing anti-California refugee laws in anticipation of a mass exodus.
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Where are the pictures of all the California Politicians, both State & National, along with the Hollywood types violating the water restrictions...that would be some actual news. "It is good for all of you as long as it doesn't apply to us" - California Political Justice League motto.
As soon as the California Highway Patrol conquers Canada, they could resurrect the Great Recycling and Northern Development Canal, which should provide plenty of water. This scheme would have the additional advantage of occupying the CHP so the rest of us could take off our seatbelts and motorcycle helmets and begin to enjoy the weather more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recycling_and_Northern_Development_C...
No need to occupy Canada...the current PM is most obliging and would be delighted to help out a neighbour.....
Fuck California...what have they done for us lately?
Buy bottled water; really that simple. Half the population doesn't bath and the other half lives on a beach. They could just drink the sea water and solve the problem very quickly.
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I have some salty relatives that would be happy to clean/eat up the mess.
I was flying into LAX just last week. As we were heading in, I counted a sea of 8 glorious green golf courses. That was just on my side of the plane & when I remembered to count... how much water do they use?
Does this mean that the 405... will one day be empty?
Bulding cities in deserts is a folly of man's ego. It took time, but the folly proves out. Desert is desert... Maybe E Musk can invent a bodysuit for Californians like those in the books of Dune....
Where are they going to go?
How about Mexico.
The Cali coast will remain hydrated at any cost, because tons of wealthy Elite live there. It's Las Vegas that's truly fucked.
FWIW it looks like large parts of Texas will have a similar problem in a couple years.
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One of the main reasons for all of this is to make water a "Wall Street" commodity; we have heard more and more in recent years about "precious water" or "clean drinking water" as a commodity, which of course the main reason the water may not be drinkable is because of the very people who plan to profit from it. Problem, reaction, propaganda, & then solution = more taxes, fraud, corporate profit and abuse of people.
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There is a saying that
when the head of a nation
is evil then
the nature turns evil too
and then water dries up
and many bad things start happening.
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With drug abuse legalized (weed)
and
People with unnatural ss.e.x wed in holy churches
how can divinity be blind?
Love E.TX, raised in SF Valley, if I were willing to EVER go back to socialist and smoggy S. CA, I would immediately start a desalinization plant in some lovely beach location, sell bottled water to folks, and pipe irrigation water to San Joaquin Vly, I would not worry about ANYONE having to move out of CA.....please stay right there, we have just the right amount of trees and water here, and you folks in CA would probably want to put a freeway through our pasture...which is very green and reserved for horses and donkeys and chickens.....take a hint, you got a whole ocean of water, which won't miss a few gazillion cubic miles of water for your desalinization plant!!!!!