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Peter Thiel Blasts: The American Political System Is "Not A Democracy Or Constitutional Republic"
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
The obvious conclusion that the U.S. is neither a democracy nor a constitutional republic has been a key topic of conversation here at Liberty Blitzkrieg over the past several years. One of the most powerful representations of this unfortunate fact came from an academic study highlighted last year: New Report from Princeton and Northwestern Proves It: The U.S. is an Oligarchy.
A couple of days ago, Peter Thiel sat down with Tyler Cower at George Mason University’s Mercatus center for a chat about all sorts of interesting things. The Washington Post picked up on some of his thoughts regarding the American political system, which I think deserve some additional commentary.
On the one hand, he accurately identifies the U.S. as nothing resembling either a democracy or a constitutional republic. He then goes on to point out that the system we have is one in which the power is increasingly concentrated in undemocratic, “technocratic” agencies. Where I think he falls way short is with a failure to ask what interests are driving the decisions of these undemocratic entities. Any unbiased observer can clearly see that it is oligarchs driving the oligarchy, as opposed to independent thinking bureaucratic technocrats driving a technocracy. I have published countless articles proving this to be the case. Naturally, a billionaire might have a harder time recognizing this.
Fortunately, the writer of the Washington Post article picked up on his oversight. Here are some excerpts:
Democracy in America is dead, according to Silicon Valley investor Peter Thiel.
“It’s not clear we’re living in anything resembling a democracy,” he told a crowd Tuesday at George Mason University. “We’re living in a republic that’s modified by a judicial system, that’s been largely superseded by these agencies that drive the decision-making.”
“Calling our society a democracy is very misleading,” Thiel went on. “We’re not a republic; we’re not a constitutional republic. We live in a state that’s dominated by these technocratic agencies.”
Thiel says that organizations like the Federal Reserve have been allowed to roam too far. Calling government agencies “deeply sclerotic and deeply nonfunctioning,” Thiel pointed to the Energy Department’s failed investments in Solyndra as a case study in bureaucratic mismanagement and executive overreach.
The Federal Reserve is a great example. Is it really a public agency, or is it a banking cartel that has gone into partnership with the U.S. government? Who does the Federal Reserve really work for, financial oligarchs or the middle class? It seems to me, that the tremendous success of the Federal Reserve system in enriching financial oligarchs who extract far more from society than they give back, has been imitated throughout the economy until we got what we have today — a centralized crony capitalist corrupt mess.
Also, what about this: Four “Too Big to Fail/Jail” Banks Threaten to Hold Back Funds to Democrats Over Elizabeth Warren. Are we living in a bureaucratic technocracy, or an oligarchy run by and for the rich and powerful merely using powerful agencies as tools of control?
“You could use ninth grade geometry to show this was never going to be commercially viable,” he scoffed in reference to Solyndra’s round solar panels, which he argued weren’t as efficient as conventional solar collectors.
Investors such as Chamath Palihapitiya, a former Facebook vice president and one of the founders of lobbying group FWD.us, have said that it’s now “excruciatingly, obviously clear to everyone else that where value is created is no longer in New York, it’s no longer in Washington, it’s no longer in L.A. It’s in San Francisco and the Bay Area.”
For Thiel, this trend is tied to a much broader notion about globalization.
“I think with the benefit of hindsight, we will realize 2007 was the peak of globalization,” he said.
As a result, the venture investor isn’t all that confident about the future relevance of Washington and New York in world affairs, either. States like California and Texas — relatively “inward-looking” places, said Thiel — are stronger bets.
In Thiel’s worldview, it makes sense to want to short the nation’s capital. And his theory explains why Washington seems so deadlocked. It’s just the wrong tool for the job, and the government is adapting in the only way it knows how: by becoming more assertive.
Here’s where the Washington Post writer picks holes in some of what Thiel states.
But the idea that the entire dog of government (or the country, even) is being wagged by the tail of agencies is a little far-fetched when we know there are so many other factors that play a role in decision-making.
Take lobbying, for example. Some of the most powerful nongovernmental interests in the country are constantly seeking to shape how policy gets made in Washington. Lobbying doesn’t just happen in Congress; it happens at the White House and at federal agencies, too. Corporations, nonprofits, trade groups — you name it — they’re all pushing policymakers to take one course of action or another. You’ve heard of the military-industrial complex? Citizens United? If federal agencies were truly running the show, none of that would matter. But it does.
Even that glosses over another fundamental Washington dynamic you may be familiar with: The revolving door theory of politics, which describes what happens when a federal official leaves their job and becomes a lobbyist, or vice versa. OpenSecrets keeps a whole list of people who’ve done that. At the FCC, the agency I cover most closely, we’ve seen former commissioners become leading lobbyists for the cable industry and the wireless sector, and we’ve seen former industry lobbyists become full-fledged chairmen.
If Thiel is right and agencies are hijacking the country, then companies and business interests deserve part of the blame.
These are basic features of Washington that someone in Thiel’s position should grasp.
Check out the entire conversation here. Certainly plenty of interesting stuff to think about:
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It absolutely is a democracy. This is the best the public can do.
Crony capitalism, when all else fails....
It is cronyism , capitalism left decades ago
The actions of all forms of government are based on the legalization of crime.
"The Federal Reserve is a great example. Is it really a public agency, or is it a banking cartel that has gone into partnership with the U.S. government?"
He needs to ask? Mike has really jumped the shark this time. As soon as I read that, I realized this was all hypothetical horseshit. Of course the talking heads will dodge; the more connected know the right parties to pay to continue the charade. The final question everyone wants answered is how to we dismantle this monstrosity if it possible; and if not, is there a less painful solution than that which has prevailed throughout history?
It started with usury rates bitches, from there it moved to the greenback is god. And all been good ever since, and if you don't agree there is a war or dr. for that, with a bomb or pill at the other end, either way you end up miserable, so just sit back and like it.
single digit congressional approval through 4 administrations
96 percent incumbent re election rate
the polls are rigged
the people are subjects of a malevolent depraved ruling elite
put whatever label on it you want
A tyrannical shit show?
"The Federal Reserve is a great example. Is it really a public agency, or is it a banking cartel that has gone into partnership with the U.S. government?"
They own the government...
1912-1913: A private association of European and American banks calling themselves “The Federal Reserve” bought the governmental services corporation known as “The United States of America, Inc.” and its “State” franchises as a business venture, and began operating such familiar agencies as The United States Department of Agriculture and The United States Department of Transportation as private, for-profit businesses---without telling anyone. They exercised the “government powers” they didn’t really possess in a vast fraud scheme in collusion with members of “Congress” to institute a fiat monetary system and misused their position of trust to put competitors out of business, set up monopolies, rig commodity markets, and commit other acts of blatant self-interested criminality and fraud.
Who gave the government this power, and what is there to stop them in any "Capitalist" system? A piece of paper with pretty words on it like "We the People"?
I find no posts on this thread on "Lawyers and Law Schools" it is common knowledge that the majority of our washington dc reps ,our judges, our DA's ,our SEC & DOJ and heck most agencies from FBI to EPA, are bureaucrats with law degrees..aka hill and bill, and mr big his self obuma. did we all just go blind?
Systematically eliminate perverse incentives (like civil asset forfeiture) and demand hand counted paper ballots. Repeal the Patriot Act and reasert Habeas and undue Citizen's United ruling, etc..
Repeal the Patriot Act
DHS = the Cheka
There are already hit teams operating inside the United States. They are targeting mid level bankers at the moment. It's just a matter of time before they expand their scope
Repeal the Patriot Act
Repeal the state. Or, better yet, walk away from it and treat it like the criminal gang it is.
Maybe then the criminal gang will finally leave, using their second passport.
American politics is hard to define. It has elements of socialism while also having implemented several planks of the communist manifesto. It also has some characteristics of fascism. And then there's good 'ol democracy, as in mob rule. It's pretty much a mixed breed mutt of blend of systems, none of which protect liberty and advance human freedom.
Nothing you described is inconsistent with the German variant of Fascism.
My thoughts exactly.
Democratic rule defaults to a psychological dictatorship when the gov owns the education and media institutions. They manipulate the simple into doing their bidding while fooling them into thinking they are acting under their own free will. It may look like democracy on the surface, but it is far from it.
Nailed it.
And strange how it had to be you who broke out from the tyannical ways of the present and past, got friends??
In my opinion, this speaks not of an "agenda", but of smart people attempting a middle-of-the-road approach, seeking to integrate the best parts of the (often opposing) viewpoints in the world, and reconciling them into a harmonious whole that could offer a little something to everybody.
Unfortunately, "smart", or even "very, very smart", is not synonymous with "omniscient". It appears self-evident that mistakes have been made in the process. The question then becomes: What happens now?
WHether you meant it or not, this almost sounds like an apology for what has happened. "Mistakes have been made" - as in "we ran a freakin' Mac truck over the majority of the people's chance at self actualization". Under the guises of being "moar fairer" - this has been a wilfull and malicious 225 yr. collectivist campaign - i.e. murder, theft and deceit - and the CIty of London was the original culprit, but their offspring and agents moved into DC and other locations state side. Some people still have liberty of movement (maybe 30% *gainfully* employed and 40% receiving some form of mailbox money). The rest are like calves raised for veal at the point.
WHat happens now? Well peaceful reform hopefully, though those two words rarely actually go together. The federal justice system apparently barely functions at this point - the thieves run the hen house. Those who would shoulder the burden and accept the responsibility of being judges, then subsequently not dispense justice, deserve a special hot seat in the pit of hell - hope they are enjoying all their money and chilled bottled water for now, while they destroy the lives of others.
Bag Holder:
Recall that
fish rots from the head to the tail.
The public has become the rotten tail of a fish that went rotten from the head first, for more than a Century, at an exponentially accelerating rate. While the majority of "We the People" have become reduced to "Zombie Sheeple," those processes were deliberately driven by the best brainwashing that money could buy, for generation after generation.
I do NOT believe there is anything reasonable about expecting things to get better, instead of continue to get worse, faster, because I think we have already gone beyond the event horizon into a political black hole. The established systems are already almost inconceivably corrupt and crazy, to the degree where I have been forced to conclude that society is terminally sick and insane.
To even begin to propose what the genuine solutions would have to be automatically indicates how politically impossible they are, BECAUSE THERE IS ALMOST NOTHING BUT ORGANIZED CRIME SURROUNDED BY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. That is the essential problem, and that problem is made much more impossible to resolve to the degree to which the only publicly significant opposition stays within the same frame of reference of false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals, whenever those kinds of controlled opposition groups switch from their relatively good historical analysis of the problems, to change gears to collapse back to the same old bullshit "solutions" based on impossible ideals, that will surely continue to backfire badly, and cause the opposite to happen in the real world.
Genuine solutions SHOULD be based on those continuing to be consistent with the analysis of the problems. Namely, governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best orgainzed gangs of criminals. That IS the existing system, and it has always been the system, and it will always be the system. The ONLY things that are possible are to change the dynamic equlibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies.
However, that is practically impossible to imagine because the majority of Americans want to continue to believe in various impossible ideals. Therefore, the publicly significant controlled opposition groups tend to be popular and approved of, in proporation to how well they can spout the transcendental poetry of those impossible ideals, despite that those ideals have never actually worked in the real world, but always actually driven the opposite to happen.
Citizens are actually members of an organized crime gang, that they call their country. To the degree that they were successfully brainwashed to believe otherwise, they became imcompetent political idiots, or the Zombie Sheeple, who were being fleeced to exhaustion, while they were set up to be slaughtered. The existing American systems have become runways of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which have gotten so bad that they barely even bother to go through the proper processes to legalize themselves anymore.
THE BASIC SYSTEMS BECAME DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS. Those systems have driven themselves to become debt insanities, headed towards death insanities. Given those FACTS, the only genuine solutions which are consistent with the actual existence of those FACTS are to attempt to survive through the on-coming social storms that are going to blow through, as the debt insanities provoke crazy collapses into chaos, which then provokes unprecedented levels of death insanities. (Anyone who points out that has not happened yet should face the FACTS that the fundamentals are automatically getting worse, faster, and so, the longer it takes to happen, the worse it will finally be when it happens.)
The existing money/murder systems operate by backing up their debt controls with their death controls. The long history of organized crime, becoming more successful on larger and larger scales, created governments, and those who were able to control those governments. There were deeper reasons regarding how and why that necessarily happened, and will continue to happen, in some form or another in any foreseable future where human beings still survive.
It is RIDICULOUS to call what exists in America today a "democracy" due to the real history of the funding of the political processes, and the on-going development of that situation, as vicious spirals through which the profits from fraud were reinvested in more frauds. It is also RIDICULOUS to call what exists in America today a "constitutional republic" for the same reasons that the long history of funding of the political processes have so thoroughly corrupted all of the three official branches of government (as well as the mass media and school systems) so that there no longer is much left that actually operates through the divisions of powers, through checks and balances, because every facet of that system as a whole has been thoroughly corrupted and driven crazier and crazier by the vicious feedback loops in the funding of the political processes.
At the present time, what actually exists is a system where the public "money" supply has already been almost totally privatized, which was the most important way that the FISH STARTED ROTTING FROM THE HEAD! After the democratic controls of the constitutional republic's monetary and taxation systems were destroyed, and replaced by oligarchical control, whereby privately controlled banks were allowed to create the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts for everyone else, and those FRAUDS were ENFORCED by governments, then the profits from those FRAUDS were able to be systematically reinvested throughout all of the other political and social institutions.
Hence, today, all of the successful politicians are puppets for the biggest banks, and the corporations that grew up around those banks, that were originally able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, in order to realize the supreme achievement of organized crime, namely LEGALIZED COUNTERFEITING! Given that history, getting exponentially worse, for generation after generation, enough of the public can be fooled enough ot the time. The majority of voters have become muppets voting for puppets put on in the shows staged by the mass media.
Overall, it is painfully obvious that the ideals of government of the people, for the people, by the people, has become government of the money, by the money, for that money. Moreover, anyone who studies the detailed and well-documented history of that happening to the American Democratic Republic will realize that it was the step by step successful application of the methods of organized crime which enabled that to happen. Furthermore, those are still the same problems which exist today, on astronomically amplified scales.
However, since there is now almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, whose systems of legalied lies backed by legalized violence are effectively destorying the rule of law, so that the processes of legalization no longer have as much meaning, a theoretically valid response is to go thorugh a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, sufficient to guide some sort of Second American Revolution, or to perhaps survive through some sort of Second American Civil War, (whose global consequences will be many orders of magnitude greater!)
To be realistic about the existing situation is to face the ways that the government has become the biggest form or organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, in ways which then develop possible resolutions of those problems which are consistent with that analysis, rather than then collapse back to the same old bullshit based on false fundamental dichotomies, which promotes bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals.
I agree with you, Bag Man, that the current situation is the "best that the public can do," because they have been controlled by applications of the principles and methods of organized crime, for generation after generation, while subjected to the most scientific brainwashing that money could buy throughout that time, which methods have become too successful in persuading too many of them to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories. However, for more and more of them, their realities are becoming more blatantly bad, so that their levels of cognitive dissonance are bubbling towards boiling over.
Hence, I repeat the kinds of points that I have made above: namely the runaway debt insanities are going to provoke death insanities, and in that situation more people will be forced to change or die. While many will die, those conditions may also drive transformations towards the emergence of some new systems of government. What I would assert in that context is that the ONLY way that "We the People" could stop being such incompetent political idiots, or enough being fooled enough of the time, so that they can be rightly described as acting like Zombie Sheeple, is IF enough of them woke up enough to realize how and why governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
As long as the Zombie Sheeple continue to be led by the Black Sheeple controlled opposition groups, telling them that the bogus "solutions" are for everyone to become better Sheeple, then the overall problems will continue to automatically get worse faster. Indeed, I am presuming that there must necessarily emerge some significant degree of death insanities in the future, due to the degree to which there are already runaway debt insanity situations, which have no mathematically feasible way to ever be resolved within the established systems' frame of reference.
The oligarchical fascist plutocracy juggernaut, building a fascist police state to protect itself and advance its agenda, can not be "reformed," because it is already too corrupt and crazy to be able to do anything like that. We are already committed to some course of future deteriorations resulting in revolutions and civil wars. Therefore, the interesting questions arise out of what might survive through those events, and what might therefore be able to emerge out of that?
In my view, the established social systems are already too terminally sick and insane to be able to reform themselves in order to recover. They must continue to go through psychotic breakdowns ... which then might give rise to some new systems emerging from some of the surviving seeds from the old systems. In that context, I would recommend that that kind of enlightenment that enabled the original ideals of the American Democratic Republic needs to be scientifically souped-up, with much more profound series of intellectual scientific revolutions than what enabled the original American political systems to be able to be designed and implemented.
Many things about the world today are profoundly different, although many other things are still the same. Today, we have social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, or enforce frauds, that have become globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed up by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. Just as there are no sane way to fight wars with weapons of mass destruction, there are no sane ways to fight violent revolutions or civil wars inside of a country which has an abundance of weapons of mass destruction.
In the same ways as the development of weapons of mass destruction demands the development of radically different death control systems, so too, those kinds of weapons demand radically different ways of thinking about death control systems in general, and especially in the context of runaway debt insanities provoking death insanities. Of course, at the present time, there are barely any good grounds to believe that enough people will understand that enough. But nevertheless, we are still rushing faster and faster towards conditions developing which may force us to respond ...
Ideally, democracy allows for greater use of information, which enables higher consciousness. However, the general public in America have been deliberately and persistently dumbed down for generation after generation, in ways which were both cultural, as well more recently biological too. In that context, we still have "a democracy" which is "the best the public can do." What that actually amounts to now is that the history of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits has generated numbers which are debt insanities, which can not be resolved without some sort of death insanities.
The crucial issues, in my opinion, are whatever might survive through those severe social storms, when such death insanities may well manifest, and then, what sort of new death control systems might finally emerge out of those collapses into chaos? I do not believe that the established systems of enforced frauds are going to be successfully implementing democidal martial law, unless there were some deeper radical shifts in the basic understanding of political science, which then applied to militarism, and radically transformed how we perceived and operate the death controls that backed up the debt controls, which then directed what some surviving society evolved to do in the future.
+1 RM... another good post.
Returning to the gold/silver standard would bring reform. Why do you think Buffett and Munger hate Gold?
Because it allows honesty.
I think McDonalds should bring back the Hamburglar too.
Fish and visitors smell in 3 days.
Regarding your martial law post.... I really don't think Oz is all-so-powerful as people think. Not when they try fucking us all at once.
I agree,
rsnoble:
In my view, an Achilles Heel of increasing martial law could be the fragmentation of the chain of command. As the orders become more and more criminally insane, there may come points at which those who are given those orders refuse to obey. Since revolutions tend to never succeed unless some of the groups that were supposed to suppress them decide to join the revolution instead, I tend to regard the most important turning points of any potential future Second American Revolutions, and/or Second American Civil Wars, to be when there happen significant fragmentations in the chain of command.
After listening to about the first half hour of the interview with Peter Thiel, I could not stand listening any more ... I skipped ahead several times, but each time, after listening a bit, I skipped again. In my view Thiel is living in a fantasy land that does NOT face the facts regarding that the REAL AMERICAN ECONOMY IS DEBTONOMICS!
http://www.economic-undertow.com/2015/03/31/debtonomics-vs-economics/
Debtonomics vs. Economicshttp://www.economic-undertow.com/2014/07/10/debtonomics-comparison-to-ot...
Debtonomics: Comparison to Other IdeologiesThiel is one of those socially successful people who was able and willing to maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the foundations of the real systems being organized crime, and thus, tends to be deliberately unaware of the profound distortions caused by everything being controlled by fundamental fraudulent financial accounting systems. He is one of those who were described in the first article I linked above as being socially successful because they are able to adapt to living INSIDE of the established DEBTONOMICS, which requires those who do that to not publicly admit that, or not even become aware of that foundation themselves.
Of course, Steve Ludlum attempts to end his article with a last gasp at optimistic "solutions" (which he realizes are extremely improbable, if not politically impossible.) My comments on the tragic trajectory towards martial law are what happens when I strive to also be as optimistic as I can possibly be, while still retaining some semblance of intellectual integrity. (Some of that optimism is based on the incalculable chances for some basic science and technological breakthroughs, in the future.) Most of that optimism is based upon people being forced to change, in one way or another, sooner or later, by the runaway debt insanities driving death insanity situations.
The various sorts of militarized police, or the military that will be ordered to act like police when they impose martial law, tend to have been those who were most brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, or to most take for granted the banksters' combined money/murder systems, without thinking critically about those. If, or rather WHEN, the runaway debt insanities (which reflect the deeper problems of irreconcilable social polarization being trumped by irreparable destruction of the natural world) provoke death insanities, the armed forces (which were originally made and maintained by governments, but then more and more were privatized, as the privatization of the public murder system was catching up to the privatization of the public monetary system), will be forced into emergency philosophical debates with themselves, and driven into dealing with the kinds of spiritual struggles that they may well have been able to gloss over more easily before.
Ironically, although I doubt that many of the current members of the state sanctioned armed forces would be even remotely interested in what I have to say, what I am attempting to communicate is actually more relevant to them than anyone else. At the present time, they are mostly still taking for granted the established systems of organized lies, operating robberies. They are getting paid, and continue to expect to be paid in the future, by having their pensions honoured, and so on and so forth ... Most of them will be just as blindsided by the debtonomics debacles as the rest of the mainstream Americans appear they are going to be.
Many other people who post comments upon Zero Hedge predict that one of the crucial turning points in the collapses into crazy chaos would be when the social welfare systems stopped working, such as like when the EBT cards failed to function. That may well be correct. However, I return to my original point, in reply to yours, rsnoble, that the success of martial law presumes that the chain of command will not fragment under that stress. I tend to believe that the chain of command will significantly fragment, and that gives rise to the greatest real opportunities for the Second American Revolutions and/or Civil Wars to move through to some more radical transformations, that enable the emergence of some new systems out of those times of collapses into crazy chaos.
What I attempt to do is develop a sufficiently abstract theory of death controls, in the context of artificial selection systems, that those ideas could continuously be applied throughout all of the phases of the established systems, driving through their own psychotic breakdowns, which might then enable the emergence of new systems. As I said, quite ironically, those notions would be most useful the the armed forces that will be tasked with coping with the on-coming collapses in to crazy chaos, which are already baked into the cake of DEBTONOMICS having generated numbers which are debt insanities, which have no mathematically possible resolutions, within the frame of reference of the established systems.
Guys like Peter Thiel may well have been quite socially successful WITHIN the established systems, but that paradoxically required him to be another one of the professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, who maintained attitudes of deliberate ignorance towards the many of the most important social and environmental facts. Of course, there are now PONDEROUS GLOBALIZED PROCESSES, that still take a long time to work through, even though they are happening at an exponentially accelerating rate.
To quote again from the first article I linked above:
Nothing in the interview with Peter Thiel that I listened to showed the slightest awareness or interest in those sorts of perspectives. Rather, from the introduction, on through, I observed the typical theme of those who speak about "paradigm shifts" NOT actually going through any, in sufficiently profound ways. That is why I address myself to the need for profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we understand the death control systems, and also, why I point out that the armed forces are those people who most imperatively need to go through those paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive their specialized social functions.
The original American Revolution and American Civil War were won on their battlefields, by the people actually fighting there, then. While the scientific and technological advances since those eras have been AWESOME orders of magnitude, amplifying the weapons available to astronomical sizes, the heart and soul of those issues continue to be the minds and spirits of the armed forces personnel.
I tend to believe that the old-fashioned notions of being able to successfully implement democidal martial law are no longer valid. I do not believe that martial law could be successful in maintaining the established systems. Rather, I believe that the stressfulness of those situations will become the prime movers that provoke the most significant turning points of the Second Sets of American Revolutions and Civil Wars, whose global consequences will have extremely significant reverberations.
Fuck the U.S.A.
Fuck the U.S.A.
Fuck the guv. Save the people.
Pete is one of those Awholes that benefitted immensely from the insane .gov and banking status quo- now that hes got more than he needs the Catholic guilt starts to bubble out and he falls well short of calling it what .gov has morphed into - but ifn the ZHedgers posting here were in the 'club' we wouldnt be wasting valuable time posting shite here anyhow... would we?
Exactly Peter Thiel is a major part of the problem. He was/is the major investor of two of the most dangerous fascist spying platforms on earth Palantir & Facebook. This guy used fascism to enrich himself and now he's loaded he's trying to save his reputation before the house of cards comes down.
Peter Thiel was/is the major investor of two of the most dangerous fascist spying platforms on earth Palantir & Facebook.
YES! If he wants credibility, he'll have to tear down the abominations he buit.
Sorry Hedgie, you lost your moral standing when you took all that free money from the Fed. Take your m(b)illions and go away.
I am so sick of these rich guys trying to tell us where we went wrong when they profited while stealing Grandma's retirement.
Go away, really, go away and be happy, you wanted this. Please.
sschu
Fucking A, sschu, it's guillotine time . . .
Peter Thiel, of American Friends of Bilderberg, Inc., and what's-his-face Tyler at the Koch brothers' financed Mercatus Center and . . .
Who gives a flying rat's ass what any of those stogges think, believe, eat or believe?
Guillotine time . . .
Democracy means "To Control the Public with force."
Kratia- Force; to control
Demos- Commoners; the Public
Not sure if you are serious. Democracy is horrendous. But marketing is strong in the Hitler Youth Camps (Public Fool System).
And the "Constitutional Republic" applies to those that signed the CONstitution. Not CITIZENS. The word "citizen" does not show up until Article 14.
You ain't "The People" people.
Banana Repubic?
I just sharted in a perfectly good pair of Chinese, Calvin Klien's.
BTFD> Buy The Fucking Douche< Bitchez
+1 for proper usage of the word "bitchez"
I was trying to correct my typo BUZZ. Calvin Kleinz ?
Bitchez
Buy the Fucking Decoy?
Not a republic . Once again u got it here first bitchez
Liararchy
Good one! I like that. It fits just about everything, Big Guv, does at every level!
Liararchy
the thing the billionaires chuckle about behind closed doors is how cheap it is to buy off the politicians. it really is a pittance. i just wish the people could buy back the government. ain't no whore like a cheap whore, moar bang for the buck. gotta get me some a dat action! :chuckles:
People can't afford to buy off government Buzz, if people want "good government" (whatever the fuck that is) they're gonna have to fight for it.
Personally I've now chosen to ignore it & them.
By the time government have extorted what they do from Joe Public he only has enough left to survive. Nothing to spare to buy it back.
Next step is steal everything and then give back just enough for subsistence - keep Joe too weak to even fight back.
I'm not an optimist.
Its the price of doing business.
Let's the middle class worry about stupid ass shit like abortion and gay rights. well pawn off the poor with welfare to get the votes. The rich just buy off the politicians. essentially the middle class is fucked.
They can. It's called UN-VOTING. Voting ("wishing, pledging, swearing") is a binary (YES/NO) activity. You vote ONCE when you register. It is a vote of confidence. You are on-record as being okie dokie with whatever the ELECTORS (you know, those that actually choose the politicians) decide.
Why do you think those nice people with the clipboards are so concerned with making sure as many people are registered to vote as possible? Because as long as 51% of the Sheep are on-board with the program, the Rulers have a mandate.
"CONSENT of the GOVERNED." Not "CHOICE of the GOVERNED."
But hey...just keep consenting harder...it's bound to work at SOME point.
If you are still registered to vote (even if you "don't go to the polls) you have no right to bitch and moan.
Friday nite chill! get out your best headset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HExjPn547Z0&index=10&list=FLSIcLl4SLNDiP...
He made such great music before he went full muzzie.
you never go full muzzie.
That asshole would slit your throat for grins & giggles and you link his music. You got a brain tumor or something?
"If Thiel is right and agencies are hijacking the country, then companies and business interests deserve part of the blame."
Where is the confusion...
There are no agencies or companies -- there are persons.
When the persons entrusted with, or grow afoul of, the mission which includes principle and law, then the persons must be implicated -- not the "agencies" or "companies."
Its the best that money can buy. What? You expect not to spend a penny?
I heard him speak a few months ago. He believes they will hold it together through the end of Dear Leaders presidency but not much into whoever is next..
Democratically elected oligarchy. The idiot majority keeps electing the oligarchy. Following Platos 5 regimes to the letter...
You don't elect an oligarchy, one is elected for you.
Meh no not really the oligarchy is elected via candidate choices. In otherwords, the only candidates the idiots elect are already part of the oligarchy. The 2 party system IS the oligarchy. TP was a great example, arose quickly with much support, only to be eaten by the GOP....now its barely a shell of its original self and every so called TP candidate has an (R) next to their name. The oligarchy controls who is elected via candidate choices.
Whoever you vote for, the government gets in.
Not a difficult thing to figure out.
George Carlin (RIP) was talking about this years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0
the kleptocrats sure picked a doozy CONgreff. not an original thinker in the bunch. how they found that many utterly below average people in a nation full of nincompoops is beyond me. it hardly seems possible. they must have scoured the countryside.
Some parts of the country make it much easier than others. Just sayin.
To clean the system, get this in people's faces, and keep it there.
http://showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
Technocracy. Here is a Great book: Technocracy Rising by Patrik Wood
Here's a Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7QlOTi86Nk
Although times are very different, and history speeds by at a much faster pace, I can't help but remember Rome's experiment with voting representitves into a senate. With time the empire expanded and the Deep State simply took over and made the people just a side show, all politics was elite politics, the masses were kept under a state of control, the old bread and circuses thing. America isn't all that different. In teh last 30 years the idea of world wide hegemony and empire run by the elites has totally trumpted democracy. We made the shift on 9/11, the last traces of freedom, civil rights and democracy were traded in for Empire and National Security.
The next election will be a total hoax, just a side show for the masses, while the Deep State Elites carry on with total dictatorship and Imperial Wars.
We have no say. We just act as the elites Army and Labor Force, debt slaves mostly.
The sole function of voting is to give 'legitimacy' to subsequent actions of the government. The b*st*rds in charge still want 'legitimacy' for some bizarre reason. The only way to remove their 'legitimacy' is not to vote - en masse.
Been saying that for decades.
If you vote, you are complicit in the crimes of government.
Good to see some here get it. It goes further than not going to the polls.
People need to UN-VOTE en masse.
This involves formally revoking their registration, their consent. If this started happening on a large scale, you would see a response.
Republican Rome was never really 'democratic'. Yes, everyone could vote (not slaves, of course) but the 30 'tribes' counted as one vote per tribe. The aristocrats, senators and landed people's tribes always voted 'first' on election day and the first tribal votes counted more than the votes by the tribes of the common people. Usually, the election of curule aediles, praetors, consuls, was finished, done before the tribes of the poor people's tribes could vote.
The tribunes, who were elected by the plebians and represented them had 'veto' powers to stop any legislation; they were a check on the aristos. However, when the Gracchi,(two brothers)both tribunes, attempted to legislate real land reform for the plebs in late 2nd century BC to stop the aristocrats grabbing up all the conquered lands they were assassinated by aristocratic factions.
The land reforms never came about.
¨Peter Thiel Blasts: The American Political System Is "Not A Democracy Or Constitutional Republic"
It is a Constitutional republic. The criminals of the DC US and their Zionist masters are only operating as if it isn´t
They have a surprise coming, similar, but much larger than the surprise at Waco and the Bundy Ranch.
The banksters need to repay us.
I am an American citizen, not us subject.
Is McDonald's still open?
"On the one hand, he accurately identifies the U.S. as nothing resembling either a democracy or a constitutional republic"
The United States was not founded as a democracy, but as a republic with a government limited by the Constitution.
Additionally, the United States is (was) a government involving, between, the states, not the people the states are sovereign.
Just one of many links that discuss it: http://www.libertyunderfire.org/2010/06/the-founding-fathers-rejected-de...
The banksters need to repay us.
It was also written and passed when the most Liberty minded of the "Founding Fathers" were overseas. When they came back they were incensed, but then had the Bill of Rights attached as a condition for adoption. The MOST important amendments are, coincidentally(?), the two least taught or discussed in the indoctrination centers. Those two are the 9th. and 10th.
People interested in Zion should also look up the background of the driving force for the centralization of government, the Constitution, and later the creation of the first US central fraud center (bank), Hamilton.
The U.S. was founded as a farm ("Colony"). It still is a farm. The "Revolutionary War" was a corporate fission, wherein the "Founding Attorneys" wanted to have a greater share of the revenues generated by the farm's animals.
They enslisted their chattel to fight the King's chattel (Hessian and other mercs), and won the right to run the farm as they see fit.
The Kings Contractors left the field (they were not defeated militarily), the newly founded semi-autonomous Franchise State paid several hundred thousand pounds of silver to the Crown as reparations, and agreed to send regular revenues to the Crown annually (which they still do to this day...it's misleadingly called the "income tax."
But their real genius was convincing the suckers that just fought and died for them that it was all done for those self-same suckers.
And, here we are.
Jim Donald has figured out the truth: America is a Puritan theocracy founded in 1620. Although Puritans considered themselves Christians until about 1960, they have always been holier than Jesus, and they get holier every year. E.g. three years ago many still didn't believe in gay marriage, but all have since switched to the theologically correct view.
By the next election, Republicans, the Puritan rear-guard, will be promising more visas for relatives of illegal immigrants, while Democrats will be pushing federal funding for men who want to be surgically altered into My Little Pony characters.
Not news at all. Who was it, Prinston univercity or somebody else had a study several years ago where they proved USA is not a "democracy". Have knwn this for decades now. I dont think even the sheeple believe it but nobody asks them.
The're meant to vote aren't they. If they are stupid enough to go on voting in these bastards then the sheeple get exactly what's coming to them - complete slavery. Opps perhaps it's already here and they don't know it?
“Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably sensible and reasonable – as a member of a crowd, he at once becomes a blockhead.” – Freidrich Schiller
The're meant to vote aren't they. If they are stupid enough to go on voting in these bastards then the sheeple get exactly what's coming to them - complete slavery. Opps perhaps it's already here and they don't know it?
“Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably sensible and reasonable – as a member of a crowd, he at once becomes a blockhead.” – Freidrich Schiller
The Supine Court decided that corporations are individuals, and can contribute to political campaigns.
The Congress and the Presidency have actively supported bailing out bankrupt and corrupt banks/insurers/corporations using the Public Treasury.
The Armed Forces, and Law Enforcement, have abandoned The Constitution and serve to get the pension and benefits - and to hell with the rest of the country while they get sent on errands to build the M.I.C. (sorry Gents and Ladies that serve or have served - you really are the last hope of restoring Liberty - and you ain't done it yet).
The Federal Reserve enacted ZIRP which punished savers, while buying bank/insurer/corporate debt instruments in order to bail them out and give them all the money they want at the back door for 0.25% to lend to us sheeple at 4.5%-29%.
What else do you need to know? If you don't realize you are a slave on a debt plantation you are trying not to see it.
"we confused some folks"
For the people, by the people, of the people. This no longer applies. This implies A Silent Coup - the overthrowing of the US govt.
But who would do such a thing? London England, some lady who lives in a castle ruling her subjects perhaps? Bankers who are more often than not Jewish - retaliation for the Evaan Conferenced "We don't want no stinking jews." Or a combination of the two along with men who would be desitute if there were no war (arms dealers).
Whoever they are, the path to their goal is the most painful, most brutal and will send the weakest in society into a living hell when the food supply priced beyond reach. Old people, sick and handicapped, very young will pay dearly for this low road they have chosen to defeat America and elimination the middle class.
There has been a coup - Americans. This is what the media should be saying but the first act of an invading army is taking over the airwaves.
They underestimate the impact the distorted sense of symmety (we tolerate a bit of corruption). In the end, I predict their plan fails, the couple thousand rich but mediocre minds will hide until they are hunted down like Big Foot, with every person on the planet watching for their movement. It will become a hobby, a pass time, something to live for. When hope dies, the hole left is fileld with revenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OWj0CiM8WU
A song which says this nicely by One Republic
"The People" are not the same as the people.
Capitalization matters.
You aren't one of "The People." You are a "citizen." "Citizen" means "one SUBJECT to the laws of a city.
That city is D.C..
If you are still registered as being a supporter of what transpires in D.C., then speaking of "overthrowing" anything shows a complete lack of comprehension.
Folks always had the ability to take the power away from the financial sociopaths, but apathy gets in the way. All that's needed is to vote the incumbents out every election, and don't vote for the highest financed candidate. Sure, we'll lose a few good men and women, but they've always been out-voted by a majority of financed sociopaths anyway. That's why good people like Ron Paul and others were always in the minority. Wouldn't you rather have a non-sociopath from any party rather than a sociopath from any party? Imagine actually being represented by someone who actually represents the 99%. Sure, we'd get a sociopath once in a while by chance, but they would be a minority instead of the current majority. And they'd only have two years to screw everything up. The funny thing is they've have to go back to their communties and live with their screwups. Beats the hell out of reseting the system or civil war.
You can't "vote the incumbents out." Voting is binary. It is "yes" or "no." It does not mean "choosing" or "selecting." It means "Wish, swear, or pledge."
What you are suggesting is why things are the way they are, and will continue to be so ad infinitum.
By continuing to VOTE, you just continue to CONSENT. Meanwhile, the ELECTORS keep CHOOSING those they want.
But, hey, just keep going to that chess tournament with your bag full of checkers.
If it is an oligarchy who took over control of the American nuclear weapons isn't that likely a threat to everyone? Shouldn't everyone get together and overthrow these dangerous oligarchs immediately. And, since they are a threat and in control of the United States of America's nuclear weapons shouldn't the military, ex-military, police forces, the hunter gatherers of the forest, and the Indian on the plains, attack them with the full force and might of all our anscestors that have died to protect this great nation? If they have done this through central bank fiat printing shouldn't those that supplied the money to take over America be arrested and stopped from destroying the entire world?
Yes. The first and the last among us, to bring these traitors to justice, shall now and forever be remembered as heros and models to all.
Bringing in the thieves, Bringing in the thieves, We will come rejoicing bringing in the thieves.
The US is not a democracy or a constitutional republic? Welcome to planet fucking earth, Peter!
The US is an oligarchy, designed to generate immense wealth for maybe 10,000 already extremely rich people, leaving everyone else only what little will keep them from revolting while Thiel's pals in Silicon Valley work on perfecting robots who can do anything a prole can and do it better---who can then be ordered to exterminate us so our betters never have to spare a second thought on us again.
Democracy! Do sheep get to vote on whether they get sent to the slaughterhouse? The time's coming when the only proles suffered to live at all are the ones raised for spare parts for our masters or as playthings in their sex games. I suspect they'll have great fun outdoing each other on how long and how violently they can torture their "pets" without killing them.
Democracy indeed. This is full scale class war. And the bad guys are winning.
Voters and voting have been just a facade for a while now. Corporations and their owners decide who becomes president, what we eat, what we watch and what we medicate ourselves with.
The oligarchy continue to gather riches and sow discontent.
The hoi polloi turn up to the primaries and carry on like they matter.
The technocrats and bureaucrats are bought with position and a decent salary.
And CHAOS silently waits for the day when it rules supreme.
By the way, none of us should be deluded into thinking that the masses matter in the least. For the oligarchy the fate of the masses is irrelevant and the problems of the masses are a nuisance despite being created to a large extent by the wars, QE's, and ZIRP's designed by oligarchic minions.
So a nuclear war, a massive epidemic etc are not an issue as long as they survive the event and as long as they still control the residue at the other end.
Most of the problems the masses suffer from are caused by the tiny minority running the place, and it's not accidental.
Hard to fight an enemy when it takes you 95% of your time just making it through the day.
Of course we're not a democracy or a constitutional republic. We're a polyarchy--specifically, a bastardized polyarchy where a small band of elites churn out the decisions.
Its a Hilaristocracy...AND THE JOKES ON US!
Just because the Bilderburger Thiele mentions the fact that domocracy and republicanism are dead in Amerka doesnt excuse him from any culpability and complicity for his actions and affiliation with those thieves.
He is in bed with david rockefeller and profiting handsomely, thank you.
Fuck Thiel, Musk, Obama - lock & load Bubba, DC beckons
Honestly, no one gives a shit what happens to dumb assed pussied Americans. You are all associated with the likes of "MY 600 lb Life," or the so called customers on "Hardcore Pawn."
This is why the rest of the world subscribes to CNN. Real life entertainment.
Please don't quit being pussies, and i, and the rest of the world, won't have to unsubscribe to CNN!
FU hummus
Iet me take this opportunity to advise readers that Sabra is the best tasting hummus ever.
It is odd, isn't it? How white Americans of modest means are the only group in America it's still considered in good taste to portray as monsters, clowns, or both.
Well, not so odd, when you consider that our masters hate the fucking sight of us and can't wait for the happy day that our robot replacements finally start packing us off to extermination centres.
I'm glad it was said.
Lawyers protect Lawyers regardless of the Party...50-55% of the House and Senate are Trial Lawyers/Lawyers..Amnesty equals litigation, litigation equals big money for Attorneys paid by the Tax payer... The Lawyers are the Politicians...The Law profession is corrupt...The Laws don't apply to the Lawyers... see, John Corzine, Hillary, Reid.. Isn't Holder in contempt? Now you get it..
Funny, how the biggest section in the Yellow Pages is 'Attorneys'. They even color the section in the side, so you can find one, but it is also an indicator of just how big the section is, compared to Plumbers, Automotive and Beauty is...
Invent software that can run experiments without having to invest billions.
That's a lot of data to input, but worth the time.
I think that software, or consciousness already exists.
We have to learn how to tap into it with our primate brains.
I've been saying this shit for years. The only true democracy is a Direct Democracy. It is time to take the power away from the self-serving, lying, corrupt politians and give it back to the people.
Finding balance in your life is the best government of all.
That truly is self-government.
We are each sovereign governments in conflict.
Tyranny of the majority. Give me a republic not bought by corporations or else a benevolent monarchy.
Give me?
No one is giving you anything you like.
WE have one of them here in UK - it makes little difference - we still have tyranny just more covered up than most nations.
I don't think HM the Q and associates are benign, just totally disconnected and protected from every day reality.
Monarchy is a terrible idea.
Anarchy is the only way forward (the real meaning of the word - its meaning has been corrupted by those who, rightly, fear it - those who wish to weild power over others)
UK doesn't have a direct democracy. Switzerland does. Google direct democracy for an accurate description.
Direct democracies require a double majority which circumvents the tyranny of the majority. There is no such thing as a republic that is not corrupted by corporations or a benevolent monarchy. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It cannot end until fear stricken American christians decide they have the authority to demand a Jubillee of sorts, that the same people who killed their Messiah are givin a choice, either step aside, be jailed or worse.
In Search Of Monsters To Destroy: America’s Warfare State Revolution by FFF.Org • April 3, 2015 http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/in-search-of-monsters-to-destroy-americas-warfare-state-revolution/
Anything That's Peaceful FEBRUARY 24, 2015 by LEONARD E. READ http://fee.org/library/detail/anything-thats-peaceful#calibre_link-306
Waiting for the real thing, may actually be only a gutter religion, though in the meantime they still hold fast to all the reins of power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Bm07kPbdw
Huge mess of shit is what it is.
Amazing how much money you can pump through one little unaduited agency in order to undermine all capitalistic principles for "the greater good". EPA, FED, on and on
I forget which state it was (Montana?) but the EPA redrew tribal boundaries in effect since th 1800's. I shit you not - the EPA.
Lock and load.
Wy did Montana submit to it?
Just top the "evil corporate influence" Citizens United crap, please stop.
Democrats DON'T CARE IF ISIS IS COMING ACROSS THE OPEN MEXICAN BORDER. Corporations didn't buy that chosen stupidity - benefits did.
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE IF MEDICALS COSTS ARE GOING UP WITH OBAMACARE - corporations didn't buy that willful stupidity of liberals to ignore Obamacare's #1 selling point of cutting health costs - giving away benefits did. Big pharma, big medicine, big insurance were all holding the pens as the obamacare law was crafted. there was no protest to push out the corporations by the democrat voters AT ALL. Obama got re-elected after hosting and championing this corporate alliance from hell.
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE IF OBAMA BAILED OUT AND REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THE BANKS - corporations DONT want a crooked money system, I GUARANTEE it, and voters don't either - but giving away benefits makes the voters NOT CARE. (FYI - COMMUNISTS DO want a crooked money system.)
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE IF RACIST VIOLENCE IS OCCURRING IN ALL OUR MAJOR CITIES AND 10% OF STORES ARE REPORTING FLASH MOBS - Corporations don't want to be robbed and their workers assaulted - but giving away benefits makes voters REWARDED to attack and make up racism lies about their fellow citizens.
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT LAWLESSNESS FROM OBAMA - Corporations want law and they want it enforced - but giving away benefits makes their voters REWARDED to cheer for lawlessness like the lawless lies upon which Obamacare is based.
Giant benefits programs REWARD corporations to join in on the lawlessness. The insurance industry and big medicine and big pharma are getting away with the medicine fraud of Obamacare because THE VOTERS DON'T CARE HOW THEIR BENEFITS ARE FINANCED.
You deserve to be taken advantage of if you can't even identify the perps.
childish and naive trivialization of the issues d00d
fake L vs fake R .. polemic, idiotic, and evidence of an immature mind. back to your homework, please, before any more posts.
its the SYSTEM jack ass. in truth, fake L = fake R
the evidence is more than clear.
P < P + I
Way ahead of you on the two parties' guilt, Geekz: Read the intro.
12 five star reviews. How is your book doing?
http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shouts-Modern-Patriot-Action-ebook/dp/B00OLR...
Actually I have been cited in several books as reference point(s) and national magazines although in a vastly different area....no biggie.
Then your claim is irrelevant, I have other publications as well. What a lame, pathetic openly disruptive comment, only intended to divert us from the first calim you made, now that you see you're completely wrong.
An honest person would apologize.
atlasRocked:
Democrats DON'T CARE...blablabla...
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE If MEDICALS....blablabla..
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE IF OBAMA....blablabla..
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE IF RACIST VIOLENCE.....blablabla..
LEFTIST VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT LAWLESSNESS....blablabla..
ORLY? Where's the Republicans in all of this? Gawd, you're falling for the Leftist / Rightist/ Democrat / Republican false narrative fucking hook, like and sinker aren't you?
Yea, keep voting....oh...and pay your taxes, keep consenting.
LOL
Duck, show us you know the two parties are different in a big way - tell us which party voted OVERWHELMINGLY for both balanced budget amendments, and which party did not.
Not claiming either party is angels, but there are some striking differences that a truthful, honest person will recognized.
I bet you are a fact hider. Someone here only to make liberals look blameless, when they far and away own the decay of the federal government and they are fully aware of it being the case. I can prove it by asking you questions, and watching what questions you hide from.
AtlasRocked? "I bet you are a fact hider. Someone here only to make liberals look blameless, when they far and away own the decay of the federal government and they are fully aware of it being the case. I can prove it by asking you questions, and watching what questions you hide from. "
Hiding?
Au Contraire'
Fact hider?
Nope.
You're hiding in the sandbox. Look outside the 2x 12's that keep the sand in place. Me being here to make liberals look blameless? That's so bizarre I'm not even sure where to begin to respond to that.
Maybe here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought............."
Liberals do not represent me. Conservatives do not represent me, Try to extrapolate what that means.
Atlas, actually unless I am mistaken we are mostly on the same page, perhaps you mis interpreted my post, but hey, 37 weeks..... you're still a n00b. No problem.
Atlas:but there are some striking differences that a truthful, honest person will recognized.
I consider myself an honest person. Maybe I'm at fault here, please expound as to their differences. I'm not seeing it. Give me the short version.
Thanks in advance.
Tell us which party voted OVERWHELMINGLY for both balanced budget amendments, and which party did not. Then we'll see a striking difference. Or you'll decline to answer the question and confirm you are here to refuse to recognize any differences at all. You are typical liberal claiming all parties to the right of the democrats are behaving as bad, and it's a lie.
Here's a hint:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll051.xml
1995_BBA________FOR_____AGAINST
PARTY Y_________228_______2
PARTY X__________70_____128
Senate, WHERE IT FAILED, all PARTY X's but 1 against it:
PARTY Y__________51______12
PARTY X _________1_______34
All but 25 PARTY X voted against the BBA in 2011.
2011_BBA________FOR___AGAINST
PARTY Y_________235_______4
PARTY X _______25_____161
What is PARTY X, which has moved FARTHER left as the deficit expands ?
Again - my book THOROUGHLY skewers republican, don't post the crap about me being pro-republican. Liberals wont' honestly talk about what the republicans are lying about, it's that bad.
Just tell us you will recognize a huge difference in the two parties' votes on a balanced budget amendment.
Republicans are leftist, this is obvious upon inspection. They created the same unfunded medical care programs as the democrats do. and they didn't prosecute banking laws either. Participated in the social security misfunding and shell game to make the Clinton budget look balanced. All are LEFTIST behaviors, not right leaning libertarian or anarchist at all.
Only liberals claim the republicans are conservative. It's a lie. Not even Reagan was a fiscal conservative - laisse faire - advocate. He deficit spent at growth rates similar to Obama.
The roles of the two parties in our fiscal decadence is well described in my book, Atlas Shouts:
http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shouts-Modern-Patriot-Action-ebook/dp/B00OLR...
Well, it goes without saying that our government is a malignant oligarchy that considers itself above the law and endowed with a divine right to plunder and destroy. It is a group of Huns masquerading as benevolent caretakers...
Guvmint Inc IS above the law. You new or something?
Fighting ISIS by arming them?
"The media has been abuzz in recent months with numerous accounts of US weapons and other supplies falling directly into the hands of ISIS, providing the terror group with invaluable material support at a time when it had suffered heavy losses in both Syria and Iraq. As Naeem al-Uboudi, the spokesman for one of the main groups fighting ISIS in Tikrit told the NY Times, “We don’t trust the American-led coalition in combating ISIS... In the past, they have targeted our security forces and dropped aid to ISIS by mistake.”
Indeed, these allegations are supported dozens of accounts of airdropped US weapons being seized by ISIS. As Iraqi MP Majid al-Ghraoui noted in January, “The information that has reached us in the security and defense committee indicates that an American aircraft dropped a load of weapons and equipment to the ISIS group militants at the area of al-Dour in the province of Salahuddin... This incident is continuously happening and has also occurred in some other regions.”
Whether these incidents are simply honest mistakes by the vaunted US military with all its precision bombing capabilities, or they are indications of a more callous attempt to inflict casualties on all sides and prolong the regional war, either way they represent an abject failure of the US strategy against ISIS. But of course, the US policy failure goes much further than just mistakes on the battlefield. Rather, the entire policy of arming so-called “moderates” in Syria has led directly to the growth of ISIS into a regional power.
Since 2012, the US, primarily through the CIA, has been providing weapons and training to terrorists in Syria under the guise of arming “moderates.” Many of these allegedly moderate groups have in recent months been documented as having either disbanded or defected to ISIS, including the little publicized mass defections of former Free Syrian Army fighters. However it has happened, a vast arsenal of US-supplied weapons and other military hardware are now counted among the ISIS arsenal. So much for the US policy of ensuring the weapons don’t “fall into the wrong hands.”
So, while the US has proclaimed to be fighting ISIS and the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front, they have been simultaneously arming and supporting many of the same forces which now make up much of the rank-and-file of these terror groups. With friends like these, who needs enemies?"
http://rt.com/op-edge/245613-us-war-terror-isis-aid/
Watch for guns with polonium stocks.
Call Chertoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_jRJDDevY
A trailer to a relevant documentary, called OF BY FOR, on iTunes
The people in the poster at the top are not the oligarchs. They are the puppets of the oligarchs ... the kleptocrats.
The Federal Reserve is a cartel.
It is ripping the United States apart.
They are the Just Us League of America! There's no crime they won't commit against the people!
deeply sclerotic..
pretty accurate. for sure. but so are ALL large corporations and businesses. its not just gov. so to laser in that, without understanding its systemic, it's societal.. is a mischaracterization and self serving
its about scale freinds.
scales are beyond capacity to manage. why? human corruption tendancy.
P < P + I
The only mischaracterization is failure to acknowlege you are owned and operated.
P4wn.
Thiel is as phony as these Jews come, how do we fool the Goy today?
Amazing how most avoid the real type of system the u.s has evolved to. It's so obvious, but I imagine many just won't accept it. An Oligarchy is a small group of people in control, like royalty. Saudi Arabia could be considered an Oligarchy. We are no where close to that. In the u.s the corporations have control of government,,, especially the MIC. This is admitted when they speak of the revolving door theory,,,hint,,, it's no theory. A nice term the u.s has coined is "Private Public Partnership". This merger of corporate and government was aptly coined Fascism by Mussolini.
No other system fits the u.s as well as Fascism. The Central Bank is a corporation, the MIC is a group of corporations, look around and you will see it spreading like a plague. Even down to the newest american entrepreneurs, lawn services, you see the LLC signature.
Fascism slowly infects a nation where most won't even notice. Then the Fascist government gets aggressive. This is called Naziism. Nazism is nationalism pushed so for right that even a mere disagreement with government makes one a traitor. Flags everywhere is a common sign. Signs stating Love it or Leave is another. Absolute proof is the fact the u.s is funding and training a now nazi Ukraine. Note, all this after most of the WWII vets are gone.Fascism wasn't possible with them around.
( I don't think the u.s had a problem with Nazi Germany until the Brits decided to declare war and started to get bombed. People like Prescott Bush, Corporations like IBM were doing much business with those animals. Then it was sort of pushed to fight them. Notice how the Nazis were allowed to come to the u.s after the war. )
The Republic ended with the unCivil war where the states lost their sovereignty and DC reigned all powerful. The war was funded by the large banks (corporations) and slavery was the WMD of the time. The 'official' end was in 1913 where the Fed was given the power of our money and the states lost their suffrage and militias.
Today the unelected unionized "Executive Branch Agencies" run the government. The EPA has taken over all property, BATFE tells you what kind of weapons are 'legal'. The FDA controls your food and drugs. The FTC controls all communication. The DHS controls whats left of your freedom. All these agencies have been assimilated by the corporations.
Sorry--- If it walks like a fascist, squawks like a fascist and looks like a fascist,,,, it's probably a fascist.
How Fuckbama got in this "club" is one for the books...
A Bullshitter.....nothing more...and kind of "handsome" (to dumb fucks)....voila~
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Thiel didn't say he was part of the problem...he and his companies have lobbied agencies for plenty of special interests, and these companies rely heavily on gov't protections.
Thanks for catching up to the rest of us, Pete.
Now what do we do about these monsters in our midsts?
“The final question everyone wants answered is how do we dismantle this monstrosity… [by] a less painful solution than that which has prevailed thru-out history?”
So wrote “zhandax” at 05:42.
The “answer” lies in original and un-sanitized history and law books.
This knowledge, in other words, is not available to current generations of Americans.
Americans have the same powers and rights American Founders had; but they have no knowledge of these powers and rights.
For example, Founders repeatedly declared that “no man is obligated to obey any law or pay any tax unless he has given consent to it”. Did they mean this literally? Of course they did. From the first English settlement to the Revolution this was how affairs of the colonies were managed. Every “law” and every “tax” had its origin in contracts between colonial assemblies and those who petitioned for redress of grievances. The terms of the contract were sometimes referred to as “laws” of the contract while its money payments were treated as “taxes”. And only petitioners were obligated to obey such “laws” and pay such “taxes”. When redress was completed, related “laws” and “taxes” expired.
We also have a constitutionally-protected right to withhold our taxes until the government redresses our grievances (but do not try it until you have studied my book, The Lost Right, edition 3.5; and well-positioned your assets).
These rights and powers were won with the Revolution… and who knows them?
There, in two paragraphs I conveyed to you more real history than you learned in 12 years of elementary and high schools, and 4-6 years of university indoctrination. You won’t learn this and other lessons from professors, or judges, or lawyers; the first two depend on continued grievances for their pensions, the third never learned such history, or law.
This is a very small thumbnail view of the answer you seek. If you’re inclined, see, Pawn or Fool?