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Chinese Taxi Drivers Attempt Mass Suicide Protest With Weed Killer, No One Dies

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In what may be proof of Dr. Patrick Moore’s rather morbid assertion that drinking Roundup isn’t the most effective suicide method, more than two dozen Chinese taxi drivers were found passed out in Beijing with empty pesticide bottles scattered around them in what appears to have been an effort to protest a law forbidding taxi driver self employment.

As The NY Times reports, drinking pesticide is a popular method of addressing grievances in China when all other methods fall on deaf ears: 

A group of taxi drivers drank from bottles of pesticide in central Beijing on Saturday to protest what they said was poor treatment by their taxi companies, state and social media outlets reported.

 

At least 10 men, some of them frothing from the mouth, fell to the ground on a busy sidewalk at the Wangfujing shopping center about 11 a.m. after drinking the pesticide, according to the Beijing police force’s official microblog account. The men were rushed to nearby hospitals and all survived, the police said.

 

Videos of the protest quickly spread on Chinese social media sites, showing the men splayed on the ground and large crowds staring at them from behind police cordons.

According to The South China Morning Post, the men were all from a city in the northeastern province of Heilongjiang and tried to kill themselves to protest the way taxi companies renewed their vehicle leases.

 

Drinking pesticide is a common way to commit suicide in China, particularly in rural areas.

 

People with grievances in China have long sought to petition the central government in Beijing. But the ruling Communist Party presses local officials to thwart those seeking redress. Petitioners are often detained for protesting and trying to file lawsuits. Many are beaten, threatened and sometimes sent away to mental hospitals to prevent them from airing their grievances in the capital.

All of the protesters were hospitalized and are "out of danger," according to local media.

 

As a reminder from one week ago...

 

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Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:13 | 5960688 Byte Me
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That smog sure toughens 'em up..

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:15 | 5960692 rsnoble
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No, it was generic roundup.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:19 | 5960703 Thirst Mutilator
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Lound-Up

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:27 | 5960719 Pladizow
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Problem with Chinese brand Round-Up is: You drink it and an hour later you're alive again!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:36 | 5960747 Latina Lover
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I'd wonder if  these would be suicides would have survived drinking American produced roundup.

Now Monsanto has new marketing materials...and the taxi drivers can demand compensation for producing an ineffective poison.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:40 | 5960765 Monetas
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Every story .... has an American twist .... get over us !

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:42 | 5960773 mvsjcl
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"out of danger,"

 

LOL! For them, the danger just started.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:59 | 5960817 DeadFred
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Stupid taxi drivers who actually believe the MSM stories about glyphosate. LOL. Short term effects will be like drinking soap because of the wetting agents in the mix. Maybe they get cancer ten years hence but for now frothing at the mouth and loose bowels will be the worst of it. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:12 | 5960836 ParkAveFlasher
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Justa rike MSG.  Goog fravor.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:44 | 5960887 Fish Gone Bad
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Keeping with an Easter theme... This is the Chinese version.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:51 | 5961023 SuperRay
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I don't see the name gylphosate anywhere in the story.  There are about a million pesticides.  You all are as bad as fundamental christians - just creating facts out of thin air.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:02 | 5961039 Billy the Poet
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The story says that the men drank pesticide. Round-up is an herbicide.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:21 | 5961063 Latina Lover
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Yep, and so was Agent Orange.  We were also told by the government that it was safe. 

Decades later, we know how that story ended.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:22 | 5961202 Tall Tom
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There is a much more affective way to do this.

 

Remove the interior door handles as you want a captive audience. Remove the Handles of disable the windows roll down switch.

 

Pick up your State Ofiicial who has called for a Taxi.

 

Mix Bleach and Ammonia inside of a vat inside of that locked car with yourself and the State Official inside.

 

Then tell your passenger to breathe deep when he sees the Green Gas being generated from the reaction.

 

You will die. The State Official will die. And as for any rescue worker "hero"?

 

If they try the rescue without a gas mask then they will die.

 

That will make a statement to the Party Leaders which is loud and clear, wouldn't you say?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:51 | 5961263 Gazooks
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I would say that you're a sick fuck, Tom.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:32 | 5961316 NihilistZero
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C'mon, he's only talking about killing a Chicom official.  It's not like it'a a human being or anything ;-)

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:56 | 5961375 SilverIsKing
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Wen I call for a cab, I will specifically request that the driver's name is not Tom.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 19:02 | 5961749 nailgunnin4you
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Your a faggot

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 10:16 | 5963188 mastersnark
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"You're"

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 19:35 | 5968560 nailgunnin4you
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you shore?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:39 | 5961331 Antifaschistische
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I was waiting for someone to say that....as an herbicide, I'm wondering if it does actually have anti-biotic characteristics.   It's certainly worth experimenting..

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:53 | 5961461 MEAN BUSINESS
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Herbicides are pesticides. insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides, etc are pesticides too. Omnicide is also a poorly understood word ; )

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:13 | 5961191 TheReplacement
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When is the last time a fundamental (10 commandments+golden rule) christian hurt anyone? 

As for the rest... not so fundamental.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:02 | 5961026 Billy the Poet
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... --- ...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:30 | 5960975 giggler321
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I always thought CoolAid frothed like that

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:52 | 5961370 mygameon
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Moreover, it breaks down to phosphate, carbon dioxide and glycine. I have several patents on its manufacture. Cannot speak to long term gmo effects of the crops it works with, but roundup is totally harmless to the environment-including humans. The surfactant gives you seriously bad diarrhea. Triatallow ammonium is the cationic part of the surfactant. That's right good ole stearic acid (lard) reacted with ammonia. Similar to the active ingredient in the anti-constipative stool softener Dolcelax

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:24 | 5961511 Condition 1SQ
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Patent numbers please.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:35 | 5961530 mygameon
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Why would I give a random stranger access to any of my personal identity? Only three people on several of them and I am first author. Either you believe me or you don't. I don't care either way. My statements are verifiable. You all need to learn some science. Not all things are evil from corporate America.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:00 | 5961570 Condition 1SQ
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I'll quote someone who actually knows what they're talking about.  Refer to http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-27/im-not-stupid-monsanto-lobbyist...

"First off, on glyphosate: it is a KILLER, especially in places with hard water, like Sri Lanka - where 20,000 have DIED because of it so far (and 400,000 sickened):

http://www.dailynews.lk/?q=features/glyphosate-mass-killer-or-weed-killer

Second, golden rice is a fucking LIE:

https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/ge/goldenrice100404.php

Third: I have a Master's degree in genetics (UT Houston, 2000). I studied Bacillus anthracis (antrhax) and it's sister bacteria, Bacillus thuringiensis - which is nearly 100% identical to anthrax on the chromosomal level. They are basically the same bacteria; the only differences are in the plasmids they contain.

Why is this significant? Because farmers used to spray B. thuringiensis on their corn crops, as it produces a toxin, BT toxin, which when ingested by Lepidoptera (butterflies and moths), it destroys the microvilli in their guts, killing them.

Well, guess what? The idiots didn't stop there; they decided to actually put the gene that codes for BT toxin right into the corn itself. They said, hey, people's guts are millions of times larger than any bugs, it will be harmless!

Um, no...not when you figure corn is the #2 most eaten staple grain (after wheat), and chronic ingestion can destroy your intestinal lining over time. Why is this bad? Because once that barrier is broken, complex food compounds can enter your bloodstream and cause your body to form antibodies to them, making you allergic to basic foodstuffs and causing auto-immune diseases. Hence, gluten intolerance, among other illnesses.

On top of that? The glyphosate they drown that shit in kills off the good bacteria in your gut, so that bad bacteria take over...and worse: the BT toxin was first taken from B. thuringiensis and transferred to E. coli (a typical gut bacteria) so it could be easily handled/cloned/tranferred into corn. This is bad because now, when you eat food containing those genes, your gut breaks it down and makes available this DNA for other bacteria to take up and express these genes, basically creating a BT toxin factory in your gut."

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:03 | 5960818 ihedgemyhedges
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They should've soaked it in to some of their drywall or flooring products they export back over here to the states and just inhaled........

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:19 | 5960835 Smegley Wanxalot
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Sum Ting Wong .... Wi Nhot Dai

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:26 | 5960969 Handful of Dust
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I hope those bottles have a Big Clear Legal warning; DO NOT DRINK THIS STUFF.

 

... or they could be sued. I remember the guy here in Merika who won the lawsuit against the lawn mower company because there was no warning: DO NOT PUT YOUR FINGERS INTO BLADES WHILE MACHINE IS RUNNING

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:38 | 5961000 Fractal Parasite
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And a packet of nuts carries the warning "Contains nuts".

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:50 | 5961259 Tom Servo
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"May contain nuts" - fixed...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:32 | 5961520 Fukushima Fricassee
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"Mooch Obama may contain nuts"

Long Wang

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:48 | 5961016 nmewn
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I think thats the problem! The running dog decadent oligarchs of the US have cornered & monopolized the global market on warning labels, they're all being written in Common Core Engrish!

I knew there was a way to make this all "our" fault ;-)

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:04 | 5961044 Billy the Poet
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American citizenism strikes again!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:16 | 5961193 metastar
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And in other news, ... "Monsanto Applies for Patent on New Sleeping Medication"

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:32 | 5961221 Creepy Lurker
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"American citizenism strikes again!"

I shall take a dump on the side of the road in commemorating.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:23 | 5961071 kaiserhoff
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Cornfushionus say:

  Mole who raises head, gets wacked.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:12 | 5961403 nmewn
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Here's the problem lately, when I post something like that and it gets nothing but green I don't know if its being taken seriously or as I intended.

One of lifes little mysteries ;-)

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:51 | 5961127 Max Steel
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just 9 week old and you have started trolling quite efficiently . have you done some course in Hasbara trolling101 rabbi ?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:36 | 5960995 The central planners
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Its like ebola according to a cnn report.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:14 | 5961054 Beowulf55
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Round-up is a herbicide...........not a pesticide.

 

BIG Difference......

 

Pesticide will kill you as it is a neurotoxin.

 

Now if the taxi drivers were green shoots then they would be turning brown by now.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:35 | 5961229 Bumbu Sauce
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http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/

 

Knowledge, just a few keyboard clicks away...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:00 | 5961382 mygameon
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Beowulf, true but too big of a generalization. Lasso is a herbicide, but I guarantee that if you drink it you will be poisoned. Again glyphosate is phosphonomethylgyline which metabolizes to thing our body deals very well-phosphate, carbon dioxide and glycine. It is very unique that it is only, and I mean ONLY, harmful to plants (without a waxy surface). Nothing else.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:07 | 5961589 Beowulf55
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Yep, I generalized.

Drinking anything in a large dose such as herbicide or pesticide or fungicide,battery acid, lithium, molten steel, lead, coca-cola, caffeine, and etc. is very unhealthy........

 

Lighten-up Frances.........go score brownie points somewhere else.......

 

You work for some government bureaucrate don'tcha...........

 

Happy Bunny and Chicken egg day.

 

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:32 | 5960741 fastrakn1
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Wight

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:47 | 5960789 Ginsengbull
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Circle-Up

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:57 | 5960913 Kirk2NCC1701
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Livestrong!

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:06 | 5961177 claytonmoore50
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No kill you long time!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:36 | 5960760 Normalcy Bias
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Chinese knock-off Roundup = Dirty water + Lead?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:13 | 5961058 DogSlime
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Yeah, try that with Paraquat...

Actually, if they were foaming at the mouth, they might have used Paraquat - in which case they might not be as "out of danger" as the authorities claim.

If they're alive a week from now then fair enough, but it takes quite a while to die after the liver has been poisoned.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:42 | 5960772 negative rates
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Gees, and I thought Mikey would try anything.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:01 | 5961034 Billy the Poet
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Poor little guy offed himself with pop-rocks and coke. I hadn't been so upset since the Beaver got killed in 'Nam.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:39 | 5961333 anonymice
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Chinese hospitals must have improved no end. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:52 | 5961558 thetruthhurts
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Gadamit!!!

The lobbist for Monsanto SAID you could drink a cup of it and live!

Buy buyBUY!

Bullish for Monsanto!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:14 | 5960689 rsnoble
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When the ability to create money out of thin air arrives...........those will be bankers instead.  And I can't fucking wait.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:22 | 5960713 Berspankme
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One can hope. Would love to see Bernanke writhing and foaming at the mouth while dying a painful death

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:22 | 5960714 thecrud
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So you are not mining bit coin.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:14 | 5960690 boogerbently
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And if you want to slit your wrist, don't cut across the wrist, cut lengthwise, with the arm.

The cut across the wrist is just a messy waste of time.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:17 | 5960701 Fix It Again Timmy
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Typical Chinese product - substandard....

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:19 | 5960702 hairball48
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That reporter is a dickhead. Does he not understand simple hyperbole ?  Was it a communication problem, or was the reporter just being fucking obtuse?

I've used Roundup for 40+ years. Good stuff if used "as directed".

:)

hairball

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:28 | 5960733 hairball48
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Fuck all of you down voters :)

If you use that shit other than "as directed", then you should die. Clean up the gene pool for others.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:06 | 5960935 oudinot
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Fuck you, you ignorant moron.

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:41 | 5960883 El Vaquero
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In the end, it won't matter.  Round Up resistant weeds are already here, and the problem is going to get worse, so long as Round Up is widely used.  Its use is going to make it obsolete.  Pigweed is one plant that has a tendency to become roundup resistant, and ironically, it is actually a kind of amaranth and is 100% edible.  It is related to spinach.  (I've never tried it, so I cannot tell you if it is good.)  In time, insects will develop an immunity to the toxins produced by the BT crops.  It may take a while to start, but once it does, it will be rapid.  Even if all of the claims about the safety of GMOs are true, the claim that they will feed the world is not, at least not with the avenues that they are taking with them.  They aren't trying to nudge or influence nature, they are trying to outright control it, and are thus butting up against the very workings of nature itself.  This can go on for some time, but they will lose in the end. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:48 | 5960892 Fish Gone Bad
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Pigweed is indeed edible.  I have eaten it from time to time.  The Mexican supermarkets sell it as verdulagas.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:56 | 5960908 El Vaquero
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I'm going to let some of it go and try it this year.  I don't even have to cultivate the stuff here.  If I like it, great, it is agriculture made easy.  If not, then it is a weed in my book. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:29 | 5960972 BurningFuld
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Ack...my dad ate it all the time. He liked it. And ya it grows like a weed around here and for whatever reason the horses don't care for it.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:42 | 5961108 SolarSystem1932
Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:01 | 5961036 LibertarianMenace
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"This can go on for some time, but they will lose in the end."

 

And until the organic laws of unintended consequences have their say, no doubt proggies will take advantage and make life miserable for the rest of us. They never waste an opportunity to make another sign, sign, everywhere a sign...do this don't do that, everywhere a sign...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:55 | 5961143 El Vaquero
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This is not a progressive or a neocon issue.  This is an issue of somebody making fucktons of money by bribing politicians and regulators to put regulations in place that allow them to maintain a lion's share of the food market and then cramming it down our throats via advertising and by being the only game in town that can afford to either follow those regulations or ignore those regulations.  You could show me 100% proof positive that GMOs and Round Up were not only not harmful, but actually better than traditional crops, and I would be against the current agricultural system because it is A) not sustainable and B) gives a very small group of cronies control over the majority of our food supply.  That control could be turned against us in a very bad way. 

 

IMO, we are going to find that the good-for-you bad-for-you debate surround GMOs is not as important at the sustainability and control issues. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:34 | 5961527 koncaswatch
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oligopoly 
Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:46 | 5965554 LibertarianMenace
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"This is not a progressive or a neocon issue."

 

I agree it shouldn't be, but what ought, and what is, are two different things. My point was that won't stop them (state activists) from making it one.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:50 | 5961364 Miffed Microbio...
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Yes, sooner or later everyone will be educated about the joys of nature in some way. Be it through starvation or highly resistance microbes that are unstoppable.

Bacteria have now evolved to colonize plastics on catheters commonly used in medicine. Central lines are prime sites for bacterial biofilms, a gooey substance secreted so the colony of bacteria can hide where antibiotics cannot penetrate. This is the prime cause of many central line infections that can be lethal. The only cure in many cases is just pulling these lines and reimplanting them, high doses of antibiotics rendered useless. Resistance is bad enough, now there are biofilms. I'm sure this will start a flurry of government research grants dealing with this new ( but lucrative for someone) threat.

No, fuck with nature at your own risk. Your victory is always temporary,

Miffed

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:30 | 5961411 El Vaquero
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While resistant bacteria were sure to come along sooner or later, I lay a lot of the blame for it being sooner at the feet of big ag.  They use it in prophylactic fashion and on a wide scale.  I also have to wonder how long it would take via genetic drift for bacteria to become susceptible to antibiotics that they were once resistant to if antibiotics were no longer used.  If there is a cost to being resistant, probably pretty fast.  If the cost is negligible on zero, probably a long time.  If it carries with it other benefits, a really, really long time, if ever. If I wanted to keep antibiotics effective, I would look into what it costs the bacteria to be resistant to the antibiotics, and if it turned out that it was high enough, I would simply not produce entire families of antibiotics for a few years with the understanding that even that strategy would likely fail eventually.  Unless that biofilm has other advantages for the bacteria, I bet it would go away if we simply quit using antibiotics for a few years.  The question is, does it protect the bacteria from other common threats, or just antibiotics?

 

Another issue that I see is that it is sick people who go to the hospitals and there is a very high rate of antibiotics use at the hospital when compared to the non-hospitalized population.  It's the perfect environment for really nasty bugs to develop and spread to people.  Perhaps a lot of this could be mitigated by decentralized treatment of people with bacterial infections.  Another way of putting it is that the bacteria at hospitals get a lot more tries to come up with a winning strategy to beat us humans before some other environmental factors come into play.  The target isn't moving as fast at a hospital.

 

I'm not surprised about bacteria colonizing plastics.  There are already bacteria that metabolize friggin' nylon, and that didn't exist prior to the 20th century. 

 

Either way, it's about time that our study of nature be more geared towards how we integrate ourselves with it better instead of outright trying to control it.  That's not to say that I won't take antibiotics if I catch pneumonia, but taking them prophylactically is a big no-no in most cases, whether you are talking a cow or a human. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:48 | 5960894 Paris Boston
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The article mixes up pesticides and weed killer.  The title says weed killer, but the body of the article makes it clear it was pesticides.  These are totally different things. Round-Up is a weed killer herbicide, based on a sort of salt.   Pesticide is poison.  

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:00 | 5960917 City_Of_Champyinz
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Give me a break.  I am not going to say that pesticides are a healthy thing you should seek out, but your 2nd link make a simplistic conclusion based solely on correlation (not to mention it is an op ed and is not science at all)...  That is the exact same argument Al Gore and the global alarmist crowd are currently making, and we all know the science is settled in that matter, right?  The other link makes no sense (mistake perhaps?) , it does not mention glyphosates one time...

That being said, you are probably going to be proven right once the science is actually done on the matter.  I for one would like to see more of a return to more sustainable land use & farming practices so that we do not have to rely on pesticides and chemicals as much.  Problem is that spraying the fields every once in awhile is just a hell of a lot easier than any other farming method.

The lazification of America continues...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:02 | 5960952 El Vaquero
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My corn got hit by corn sap beetles last year, but I did not have a weed problem.  Part of it was planted plot of land that had been under cover for a couple of decades, and there were cracks deep down that water would just run down back into the water table.  I could water the corn, and it would wet the top 6" of soil, but not deep down for what is a water hungry crop.  This weakened the corn enough that the beetles were happy to come in.  I saved more seed from the plants least damaged from them.  These are probably the most drought adapted corn plants. FYI, while a lot of plants care about soil moisture 12" down, for corn it is important down to 36". 

 

But the weeds were managed by simply picking them early on, and then, once the corn, beans and squash started getting big, they covered the ground well enough to prevent the weeds from getting sunlight.  I am going to true equidistant planting to try to make the most of the land while still crowding the weeds out.  If you look at modern corn planting they're going to much more densely planted fields than were used in the past.  This helps control weeds, but it does offer more plant to plant competition for the corn itself.  I am going to try to balance this.  Maybe I'll get the distances wrong this year and even next, but I will find the optimum distance for this. 

 

EDIT:  I did not have a weed problem where the corn was.  Places that I wanted clear, yeah, I had a weed problem. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:10 | 5961053 Billy the Poet
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I'll be trying hairy vetch and austrian peas for weed control this year.  The peas supposedly overwinter and the shoots can be eaten.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 13:34 | 5961088 El Vaquero
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I'm trying to balance using every square inch and competition between the plants that I want for weed control.  I planted my chile day before yesterday.  8" row spacing with 28" plant spacing.  The first row gets a plant at 0" and the 2nd row has the plants staggered by 14" but still uses the 28" plant spacing.  It works out that no two chile plants will be closer than about 16", and it should do a pretty good job of covering the entire area.  Sometime in the next week or so, onions and leeks are going in next to them and when it gets a bit warmer, okra goes in too. 

 

It's kind of difficult without pictures to explain why I planted at that specific row and plant spacing, but if you pick one plant, and draw a circle with a radius of 16" on it, on that circle (to the degree that I measured everything out correctly,) it will intersect with six plants, and if you draw lines between those six plants, you will get a perfect hexagon.  A video of what amounts to high school geometry will explain it better:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFd8J9NVfFg

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:02 | 5961576 Billy the Poet
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I'll check out the video. I'm crowding as much as I can in a small space as well. Lot is about 40 x 150 and the house takes up about 40 x 40. I use garden plots and containers. Growing four kinds of peppers this year and got mosquito nettling so that I can cover one of each to ensure purity of seed. New this year will be sorghum, dent corn, artichokes, buckwheat, various herbs and spices, and yaupon holly from which can be made caffeinated tea. That's on top of tomatoes (5 kinds this year for comparison), wheat, upland rice, potatoes, lettuce, pinto beans, pole beans, lima beans, bush beans, kidney beans, fava beans, perennial onions, garlic, collards, carrots, leaf and head lettuce, tobacco, cucumbers, melons, squash etc.

It's insane but I like to learn about the different plants and if something does well it get's more room next time.

 

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:34 | 5961673 El Vaquero
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All that the video is is a simple geometry lesson.  If you want equidistant plant spacing, you look at the circle and the hexagon that the guy draws using the compas, and you realize that no single point, including the center of the circle/hexagon is closer than one radius to another.  You can extend this idea into a hexagonal grid.  There is a formula for the row and plant spacing. 

 

Let x be the distance that you want the plants to be from their nearest neighbors, then the row spacing is x/2 and the plant spacing is 1.73*x.  You might as well the 1.73 to 1.75.  That way, for 12 in equidistant planting. you get a row spaciong of 6" and a plant spacing of 21".  The trick is that you would start your first row with the seed right at the beginning of the row, and then you would start your second row with the seed at 10.5" from the end of the row so that the seeds are staggered from row to row. 

 

The idea behind this is that plants typically grow in square or rectangular patterns, they typically grow in more round patterns.  When we put things into a grid, we're basically putting a round peg into a square hole.  If the round peg is small enough to fit, you'll notice that the corners of the square are left unoccupied.  I view this as wasted space.  You should theoretically be able to fit 20%-25% more plants into a given space without overcrowding them. 

 

But, then again, I'm trying to look at what is most convenient for the plants, not what is most convenient for people.  I'm just experimenting with this now.  Maybe it'll amount to nothing, maybe I'm right and I can grow more on less land.  Even if I am right, don't expect big farms to adopt it any time soon.  They'd have to purchase all new equipment that likely does not exist. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:44 | 5961697 Billy the Poet
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I have rectangular plots fenced with chicken wire but now I'm expanding into odd corners and such. I'll have to think about the geometry of those spaces. Thanks.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:51 | 5961719 El Vaquero
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This ought to help:

 

http://www.eurekaseeds.com/pdf/links/agronomic_spotlight/2011_MLC_Equidi...

 

Figure one shows what I'm talking about with staggered planting.  What's interesting is that they planted the same number of plants per acre.and found a slight improvement with the hybrid that didn't get hammered by bugs.  Not big enough to really draw any conclusions, but it is encouraging.  My argument is that they could have planted even more plants in the staggered pattern without any really bad adverse effects to plant health. 

 

(Who the hell ever thought that I would be thankful that I learned how to draw hexagons using a compass and a ruler back in high school?)

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 20:24 | 5961912 Billy the Poet
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That's interesting. I'll likely do a three sisters thing this year and I've been considering staggering the plantings just like in the illustration.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:46 | 5961703 joe90
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Lots of good books and information on permaculture out there.  Here's one I am reading at the moment http://www.amazon.com/Holistic-Orchard-Fruits-Berries-Biological/dp/1933...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:59 | 5961741 El Vaquero
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IMO, at least in my climate, it is wise to rely on both annuals and perrenials.  It got up to near 80f today, and we could easially still get a freeze before the month is out.  I've had many a peachless and plumless year because of that. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:19 | 5961197 TheReplacement
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Do you realize the irony of what you wrote?

Religious fundamentalists and non-scientists would never have invented the stuff in the first place.  Oh well, science will save you, from things science has wrought, I am sure - poisons, nuclear bombs, weaponized bioagents, yada yada.  Hooray science!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:20 | 5961503 Farqued Up
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Beats wiping my ass with corn cobs in an outdoor toilet.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:05 | 5961279 PirateOfBaltimore
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Thems look like some quality unbiased sources right there.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:03 | 5961169 Bumbu Sauce
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Doubleplusungood thoughtcrime comrade, the hivemind is displeased.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:20 | 5960709 Atomizer
Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:53 | 5960903 El Vaquero
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"This paragraph is gonna be really gross. So, evidently, the way it works is, gutter-oil-makers root around in dumpsters, trashcans, sewers oh God sewers, and (of course) gutters, looking for used oil or discarded food or solid waste or dead fucking animals, and then they process that putrid crud (this probably entails heating it to render any fats into oil, then straining out the solids) and sell the resulting distillation of pure horror as a cooking agent. Then street vendors use it to cook what is presumably already F-grade meat. Then people purchase and eat the "food" cooked in this effluvium of evil.  Then you read about it on the internet and become a raw-food evangelist."

Not quite.  I have an idea about how food is produced here, and what goes on in China does not surprise me.  I remember the 5 Star Donkey meat actually being fox meat scandal that wasn't a scandal because fox was actually supposed to be more expensive than donkey.  I think that instead of being a "raw food evangelist," it is better to simply have an idea of where all of the ingredients of your food came from. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:38 | 5961426 Real Estate Geek
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Oh sweet fuckin' Jesus!!! Just when you think you've seen it all, the fuckin' Chinese manage to plumb new depths.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:07 | 5961590 Billy the Poet
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Soon they'll be popping up in backyards all over America.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:21 | 5960710 thecrud
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So the mansanto guy was right.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:46 | 5960787 Fun Facts
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The good thing about glycosphate [from the monsanto perspective] is that it won't kill you right away.

That keeps the true idiots and morons happy.

Thus, they can maintain plausible deniability that their poison has wrecked the entire global ecosystem and that the disease rates of all kinds are skyrocketing due to it now being found in virtually everyone in the US bodies.

To the mental midgets who say it's safe when used as directed...check back when you're 60 with a myriad of ailments.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:54 | 5960905 Fish Gone Bad
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The nuke industry uses the same "won't kill you right away" tactic.  Apparently no one died within a "very short period of time" from the Three Mile Island accident.  Billions of dollars in clean up, millions of dollars in settled-out-of-court lawsuits and all those cancer deaths just aren't newsworthy...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:30 | 5961519 Farqued Up
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Maybe "spent uranium" is an oxymoron?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:14 | 5961292 chunga
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Plus if you kill people off with one quick dose how are they gonna come back and buy more silly?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 18:50 | 5961716 MEAN BUSINESS
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Monsanto guy? Though I disagree with some of his past statements on AGW and don't know where he stands these days on it, I will say again his ties to Monsanto are either unclear or non-existent, and Tyler suggesting he is a "mansanto<sic> guy" because the interviewer tried to make the interview about glyphosate is slopy/cliky. Moore is many things before he's a 'Monsanto guy' as far as I can tell.

“Dr. Patrick Moore is not and never has been a paid lobbyist for Monsanto,” Charla Lord, a spokesperson for Monsanto, wrote in an email Friday.  (source)

The interview was intended to be about Golden Rice (Golden Rice 2.0?)  a genetically engineered rice created by Ingo Potrykus and Peter Beyer. Then Syngenta got involved.

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@Mediocritas:  5939065

"Then Adrian Dubock, A British scientist-diplomat at Syngenta, freed Golden Rice from its maze of patent violations involving other companies and arranged for the developing-world rights for golden rice2 to be managed by The Humanitarian Golden Rice Network, chaired by [Ingo] Potrykus. Any farmer making less than $10,000 a year could get the seeds for free and own the right to breed and sow them year after year."

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:22 | 5960716 Thirst Mutilator
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That 'crisis actor' photo-op is almost as corny as the BASTIN STRANG [Marathon] smoke bomb.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:28 | 5960731 Charming Anarchist
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Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:25 | 5960724 q99x2
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Their business will not have any green shoots.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:25 | 5960725 hairball48
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Off Topic but this is too good to not post if you are a fan of WmB7

Happy Easter LOL!!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/sets/72157649421968993

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:33 | 5960736 Chuck Knoblauch
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Uber drivers plan a similar event in DC.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:33 | 5960872 FrankDieter
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Uber drivers plan to suicide their cars with passengers inside.

Uber to provide $10 credit on the App if you don't die

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:31 | 5960739 Ginsengbull
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This is best way to prevent them from harvesting organs.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:32 | 5960985 BurningFuld
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How so?   Heh.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:38 | 5961233 Ginsengbull
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Who would want a heart, liver, or kidney that has been poisoned?

 

I would much rather have one from a Muslim or Mormon.

 

They bring a premium on the international organ market.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:33 | 5960745 buzzsaw99
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water from the yangtze would have been moar effective imo

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:33 | 5960746 Monetas
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Just eat the anti-freeze laced dog food .... silly wabbits .... but, why can't the Chinese state .... in all it's pompous majesty .... permit free lance taxi cabs .... do the control freak liberals .... have to stick their snouts .... up every asshole ?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:34 | 5960750 youngman
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well if they had crabs or head lice before...now they dont...

 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:45 | 5960783 negative rates
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Another crash test dummy I see.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:48 | 5960790 Monetas
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Ice pick warning label .... don't stab your body bugs !

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:36 | 5960759 Charming Anarchist
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Does it say "Chinese Taxi Driver Killer" on the label? 

No.  So, what were they thinking???!  

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:56 | 5960911 Fish Gone Bad
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I know.  It is almost like they weren't even trying...

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:37 | 5960762 suteibu
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If it is a common way to commit suicide then, apparently, it does kill you.  These guys either didn't drink enough or didn't get the commercial-grade.

Whatever, the episode and reporting certainly helps the demonizing of China.  But, that's fair, the Chinese report about all of the soldier suicide in America.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:34 | 5961526 Farqued Up
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Great, the more they expose the other, the better.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:43 | 5960779 Atomizer
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Vinegar Weed Killer: Grandma's Recipe For Fast Weed Control

http://www.garden-counselor-lawn-care.com/vinegar-weed-killer.html

Wasn't branded by Monsanto. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:00 | 5961160 Bumbu Sauce
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You know you are just adding pressure to produce vinegar resistant super weeds right?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:46 | 5961254 farmerbraun
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Are you saying that vinegar resistant weeds have never before existed ?

No.

Are you saying that sub-lethal doses of vinegar are being widely  used as herbicide?

You don't know that.

Are you saying anything useful or helpful?

 

 . . . . . . . . . .?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:53 | 5961266 Bumbu Sauce
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That's because the corrosive effects of acetic acid can be serious. Concentrations of 11 percent or greater can burn skin and cause permanent eye damage - even blindness. Goggles or face shields as well as waterproof gloves, long sleeves and long pants are required when using the stronger vinegar herbicides that contain 20 to 25 percent acetic acid. Acetic acid can be harmful if swallowed or absorbed through skin. A parks employee reported that a vinegar herbicide corroded the bottom seal on his backpack sprayer, spilling the contents onto his pants.6

High concentrations of acetic acid can harm aquatic organisms by affecting pH levels. Applying 20 percent acetic acid as a soil drench (pouring it directly onto soil) can raise soil pH for at least a month.8 This may not be the sort of stuff you want to have around the house, especially if there are children.

 

Knock yourself out.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 14:57 | 5961268 farmerbraun
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Save it Sonny. In my factory I use a blend of 30% H2O2 and acetic acid on a regular basis as a sanitiser. 

Are you trying to impress someone?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:13 | 5961487 Bumbu Sauce
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In my factory we use an even greater [conc].  Tell us all the PPE required to wear when using that solution.  Full face respirator?  3M Apron?  Sleeves?  Chemical resistant boots?

I'm duly impressed!  Also, tell us how low soil pH is pretty awesome for plant health(The result of applying acetic as an herbicide).

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:46 | 5961546 farmerbraun
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 Bullshit!  It is diluted before use. That is not the use solution , obviously.

You are so full of it.

Even your cut and paste was rubbish.

 

Why put it on the soil , when it is the plant that you are trying to kill?

 

Listen kid , when you graduate from kindergarten , then maybe get back to us.

Or maybe , just don't bother.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:37 | 5961535 Farqued Up
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Uh, it will LOWER the pH.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 17:49 | 5961552 farmerbraun
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Vinegar is 5-15% acetic acid. 

Straw man argument; no surprise.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:44 | 5960780 pakled
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It's interesting that the police had time enough to do crowd control and erect barriers... before there was time to haul these folks away in ambulances.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:47 | 5960788 negative rates
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Well you have to at least give them a chance to die, cost efficiency and all.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:48 | 5960794 pakled
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Yeah, but something about this setup doesn't pass the sniff test. Would not be surprised to learn that this one will be reported to be a hoax a few days from now. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:05 | 5960824 negative rates
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Maybe it's already been a few days, with the boss not wanting to drink it and all.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:50 | 5960797 Monetas
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One druggy bitch .... on a freeway over pass .... shut down San Diego for hours .... another way they tax us !

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:53 | 5960800 orangegeek
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All of the protesters were hospitalized and are "out of danger," according to local media.

 

Sure, Chinese local media always reports the facts.  LMFAO!  Stupid communists.

 

When China's economy starts tanking faster, mass suicides are going to rocket.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:56 | 5960805 swmnguy
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Of course everyone's fine.  Just ask the Chinese government.  They'll tell you.

China has been an Empire with ruthless centralized authority for 5000 years.  All that time the thing that scares them most is a peasan revolt.  Do the math and see why; lots more peasants than Emperors, and who has more to lose?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 16:18 | 5961407 piratepiet
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"Stupid communists"

The label communist is not applicable anymore. 

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:54 | 5960801 swmnguy
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I've been to China a half-dozen times in the past 8 years or so.  I usually get at least one long ride with a cabbie who wants to try on his English with me.  The Party-approved English language paper, China Today, had a story last time I was there about cab drivers.  It said they averaged 1200 RMB per month income.  That's about $200 USD.  Housing prices in a major Chinese city are, on paper, on the high end of US prices.  I asked my cabbie about that, and he told me he was paying about $180,000 USD-equivalent for a 400 square foot apartment, on an 80-year mortgage at about 2%.  Even though his wife, kids and parents  lived there, it still didn't come close to adding up.  He smiled and let me say, "Black market income?"  He diidn't answer, but his smile did.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:17 | 5960846 Monetas
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So .... Creative Capitalism destroys .... Socialist destruction ?

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:00 | 5961272 swmnguy
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I don't know if I'd apply such lofty terms.  People do what they gotta do, is how I'd put it.  There's plenty of Capitalism and Socialism all balled up together in China.  If you find it easy to tell which is which I'd doubt you.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:06 | 5960933 Manipuflation
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The offer to chat still stands swmnguy.  You have stories to tell and I want to hear them.  I made that email account, what was it... I wrote it down.  Here it is; chuckschickZH@gmail.com.  I see that you are active today.  You are probably avoiding the Council of Nicaea's diktats.  Well, I understand completely.    

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:00 | 5961273 swmnguy
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Check your inbox.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 12:14 | 5960948 oudinot
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swnguy-You stories are interesting.

Please share more of these anecdotes.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 15:06 | 5961281 swmnguy
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Thanks.  I'm glad you find them interesting.  When I have the time and am in the right frame of mind, and it seems relevant to the topic, I like to expound a little.  I have a fairly short attention span, so as I go through life, I look for things to keep me entertained.  Sometimes I see something striking.  Or maybe it's just my interpretation.  I always try to think how my life would be in somebody else's circumstances.  Leads to some interesting thoughts sometimes.  I also try to translate what other people mean from what they choose to say.  That also leads to some very interesting thoughts sometimes.

Thanks again!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:02 | 5960807 Emergency Ward
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They've been telling everybody that Roundup is safe!

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 10:58 | 5960813 mijev
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I was feeling suicidal so I decided to swallow 500 aspirins. But after I'd taken two I felt much better.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:14 | 5960838 BlindMonkey
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Well, that escalated quickly.

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:14 | 5960839 nmewn
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Fu King drama queens, not a taxi in sight.

Must have took the bus ;-)

Sun, 04/05/2015 - 11:22 | 5960854 Monetas
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Taking the side of the CPTB .... Communist Powers That Be ?

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