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Here Comes Solyndra 2.0: Obama To Hire 75,000 Solar Workers
What could possibly go wrong?
Clearly having not learned their lesson from 'interfering' in free markets (and all the deflation-creating over-supplying, crony-capitalizing, taxpayer money-wasting malinvestment that goes with it), NBC News reports, The White House has announced a goal to train 75,000 workers in the solar industry by 2020, many of them veterans. In a sentence only President Obama could utter, he explains "these are good-paying jobs that are helping folks enter the middle-class." Climate 'fixed', folks 'fixed', veterans 'fixed' middle-class-economics 'fixed'... and we are sure it will be unequivocally good for America (until trade wars pick up once again).
As NBC News reports,
The White House has announced a goal to train 75,000 workers in the solar industry by 2020, many of them veterans.
"These are good-paying jobs that are helping folks enter the middle-class," President Barack Obama said on Friday at Hill Air Force Base in Utah. The plan will expand on the Department of Energy SunShot Initiative's Solar Instructor Training Network currently running at more than 400 community colleges.
The White House also announced the Solar Ready Vets program aimed at helping veterans transition into the solar industry. A joint program between the Department of Defense and the DOE, it's currently being launched at 10 military bases across the country, including Hill Air Force Base and Camp Pendleton in California.
Obama touted the new goal as a way to bolster the economy and help meet the White House's climate change goals, which call for greenhouse gas emissions to be cut 26 percent to 28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. The solar industry is creating jobs at a rate of 10 times faster than the overall economy, the White House said. Obama announced the new program the same day the March jobs report was released showing the most sluggish U.S. employment growth since December 2013.
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"I’m announcing a new goal to train 75,000 workers to enter the solar industry by 2020." —President Obama #ActOnClimate
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) April 3, 2015
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"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Such a bad joke...like his presidency.
The world cannot wait until you fuck off out of the White House!
What kind of people in the so called "Land of the Free" and "Home of the Brave" wait?
The funds to train them are going to come from exactly where & who and go to what green corporate cronies and what corporations will they then work for after their new "training"?
They being exported to Chinese solar companies or what O'Barry?
When Harry Reid's black eye(s) heal, he will 'splain.
"If at first you don't succeed - fail, fail again!" -- Obozo
We Solyndrazied some folks.
Um, wow... 16 months ago I said this...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/wednesday-humor-iran-has-incont...
If the solar industry wants 75,000 trained workers, why the fuck don't they train them?
They did, not here tho.
Outsourced.
Milton Friedman said that the best job training is a job.
While I have ZERO trust for anything with Obama's name on it, I would like to see more
detail about their grand plan.
Flame away, but upwards of 90% of homes in Israel, plus a big chunk of the businesses, use solar
panels to create electricity as well as to heat water. While they have the benefit of so much sunshine,
their technological advancements are used worldwide. So advanced is their industry in this area that
costs are nearly on par with that of fossil fuels.
Should be interesting to see if his plan has anything useful or if it ends up as another boondoggle.
president soetoro is long chinese panels.
It does have to make one wonder why anyone would think that someone who has never worked a day in his life and has never owned a company and much less ever "built" anything knows his ass from a hole in the ground about how to move the economy of an entire nation forward. How exactly is he going to do this? With a pen and a cell phone or just $500 million of taxpayer money?
Better to be training vets to work on solar panels ( arguably a good thing - energy that doesn't involve head choppers for instance) than to be training them as cops, DHS, FEMA, or similar. I mean, it is a forgone conclusion that our tax/debt dollars will be wasted. This seem like a least bad scenario, all things considered.
Always remember, the sun only shines during the day. So, you need just as much baseline power as if you had NO solar contribution, since energy use is just a high at night as during the day. Competitiive energy storage is the inescapable achilles heel of both intermittant solar and wind power and why they are only boutique sources of energy, requiring large subsidies from the baseline power plants running on fossil fuel or nuclear energy.
Newsflash : You make it sould like Israel built a hadron collider or something. Solar Panel power is not complex if the rice slobbing elbow bumping Chinese can build an industry making these so can Israel. In America it is harder because you would first have to reintroduce real education so when you write down the word 'screwdriver to affix solar panel to bracket' not only are they healthy enough to get off the couch and climb on a roof but they can also read and understand the concept.
The way things are going if you are the guy hooking the 240 volt backfeed modules into the power panel they will think you are an astronaut...
Here we have an industry that cannot economically work without gobs of tax credits to the end user and we are going to train 75K people to enter it. Why stop there, lets train another 75K to make ethanol for transportation fuel. It doesn't work out economically either.
More than likely some of that taxpayer money will be used to fund Democrat candidates in the next election while enriching Democrat cronies in the solar industry.
The majority of Solyndra funding was provided by taxpayer funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and Solyndra received a $536 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee before going bankrupt. Campaign finance records show Solyndra executives and board members donated almost $100,000 to Obama’s election campaign.
According to information collected by the Center for Responsive Politics, Solyndra board members donated at least $27,400 to Democratic campaigns and affiliates.
Solyndra also spent $550,000 lobbying Congress in 2010. Between 2008 and 2011, the company spent more than $1 million lobbying for bills including the “American Clean Energy Leadership Act of 2009" and the “Solar Manufacturing Jobs Creation Act.”
Senior Solyndra executives collected multiple bonuses, some as high as $60,000, even though they were heading toward bankruptcy.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/01/bankrupt-solar-company-with-fed-backin...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/06/14/solyndra-lied-about-l...
Because Barry, the Constitutional genius skipped his economics classes (along with the Constitution classes), he may not realize he is going to bend the laws of supply-and-demand to the negative.
Imagine if you a solar worker (whatever the hell that is) right now earning a decent living. Your company is fairly stable but not rapidly expanding or it would be finding the workers themselves. Now, your President just told you that 75,000 new people will be trained by government for free (unlike you) and will be competing for your job.
What are the odds you go out and buy an new car, bigger house or that man-cave big screen? Nope. You start paying down debt and put your home on the market before you are reemployed at half wage.
I cant think of what all these employees would do with their training. Build photocells in America yeah right. And once those are built doesn't the sun do most the heavy lifting?
"If the solar industry wants 75,000 trained workers, why the fuck don't they train them?"
Crude, but beautiful it its elegant simplicity and logic. No leftist reporter will ask or challenge Obama on this. Frankly, most of them are too dumb to do so.
$10 TRILLION in trade by 2025?
"Chinese Premier pledges support for firms to 'charge out into the World' " 4/4/15
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/04/us-china-economy-overseas-idUSKBN0MV02G20150404
get your shovels ready to dig your graves...?
and this: Carter Ash to visit Japan and S.Korea while stopping in Hawaii for 9-holes (brown?) with Obi1!
PS. remember what I said about Malaysia-- well, the PMs Chief of Staff was killed in that helicopter crash...
opps
Bunch of "No Balls, Pussies"
They said the same thing about Dubya.
Remember those countdown to January 20, 2009 clocks?
"The world cannot wait until you fuck off out of the White House!"
Yep. Just like the last guy, and the guy before him, and the other Bush, and the senile guy.
Soon the meek shall inherit the earth. We just need the right leader.
Nothing like keeping your eye on the ball.
Your closer was a killer. +1
You didn't notice?
The meek already inherit the earth - six feet deep.
In ever increasing numbers.
We gave them guns. They killed some folks. They harness Our sun.
So now it is Our sun?
Always nice to have more jobs that will disappear or move to Indonesia as soon as the taxpayers stop subsidizing them.
They will actually be training 75,000 new baristas and waiters who will have a "solar degree" instead of women's studies or art appreciation. Barista pay will drop accordingly and solar jobs will stay in China.
Put it on my tab, asshole.......
The cartoon is wrong. Obie didn't experience any chagrin at all over the demise of Solyndra.
Solyndra was a conduit for campaign cash for his reelection campaign. If he had ripped off the Treasury directly, there might have been some question of impropriety. This way was almost as good, and squeaky clean.
yeah, blame it on reelection tyme, which always seems to have an open window... 'throwing-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water'!
He's been talking to Elon Musk. Game changer. Watch for it.
Long solar Teslas that drive themelves and look fashionable on your wrist while showing the latest selfie from Kim Fatassisian.
More $$ down the piss hole..
Don't we already screw over our vets enough as it is?
Now we have to train them for fake jobs to go along with their fake VA healthcare?
We vetted some folks.
Wonder if I can get a grant for windturbine factory built by the amish
Only if you promise to hire illegal amish, preferably the south american muslim kind.
You know government programs have hit a wall when the best they have to offer is a Solyndra-like occupation.
We effed some taxpaying folks in their asses.
No wonder hot dogs are going up at the Quik Trip.
Rrrrrrrrright. And the Repubs in Congress are getting those billions $$$ lined up for you as you speak.
Asswipe Obama, the successful businessman
Good buddy is a solar guy. Growth was good, but now the industry is becoming dominated by outfits like Solar City, whose business model is for you to never own what they put on your roof.
The majors simple want you to lease your roof to them so they can sell the power back to the utility at a rate higher than what you can enjoy yourself and sell your own power back to you at a long term negotiated rate.
The lease goes with the house when you move. And they get all the easements to boot.
I think solar is a Jim-dandy idea. But it is being sold like investments "pays for itself at 22%/yr so in 7 years its all paid off." Except they won't tell you you need all new electronics, batteries and likely new panels in 8 years.
All the fat in solar goes to royalties owned by BP and the like.
Any electrician can install solar, so all those contractors that have been out of work all these years are just doing this.
Do you see a shortage of electricians in your area?
This is just the Democrats pretending to care. Regrettably, all the solar in the world installed by all the unemployed maimed veterans is not going to heal the national identity.
If I was one of these true-believers working the White House these daze, I'd take down all the mirrors just to not look at my own gaunt disgraced face.
How can these creeps live with themselves? How can any reporter or editor of any media think any of this is working?
The country has been truly destroyed from the inside by the Fed, Obama and their patron-handlers.
All true, unfortunately!
Good post, Bankon.
The answer to your questions at the end is that the reporters are all true-believer lefties just like the white house and DNC. They are all one in the same. There are no skeptics except for those that are already on the right.
The people not only flunk basic Adam Smith economics, they do not even believe in it. They have an economic flat-earth economic ideology that is as old as monarchs. They really believe that they can manipulate and manage an economy for the better. They essentially believe that they can turn economic lead into gold. Chemisty and physics are right-wing insensitive conspiracies.
If you really cared about poor people, the middle class and the environment you would go along with this. That is the important take home point. It shows you care and whether or not it works or even makes thing worse is selfish and mean-spirited to point out or even question.
Let's move on to gay wedding cakes.
So I was thinking nurple purple with lavender flowers. Right on, most kids think they are socialists. They have no idea what that means but it feels good to be social instead of some old hermit in a cave, ala parent's basement. They'll vote on emotion and don't care who counts as long as it feels like the right thing to do even if they haven't put half a seconds thought into what it really is or means.
Are butterflies and skittle shitting unicorns extra?
Never did understand the fashion for wind turbines and oil when solar is the most reliable energy source out there, if the sun stops that's the end of civilsation anyway. Even on cloudy days in winter the light produces plenty of energy.
unfortunately where there is sun, it is arrid-- as in desert storms and sand blasting corrosion
most of the worlds populations are above the tropic of cancer or below the tropic of capricorn, and africa is basically a lost cause of a continent?!?
As a proud owner of a 12kw solar system at a cost of $27,000.... and still paying for maintenance, batteries, etc... I can most assuradly tell you
Your flat out wrong!
I always wondered about that, rejected. What do you figure it cost you a year in maintenance/upkeep if you don't mind me asking? Never heard about the panels themselves needing replacement unless they're damaged by wind or hail. Will yours require replacement? I know the batteries have to be replaced after so many years, and they're not cheap.
There are some long lasting batteries available. They aren't cheap, but with regular maintenance will supposedly last a lifetime. I don't have any personal experience with them, yet.
http://www.zappworks.com/nife.htm
Four grand a 12v battery, they best last forever or ISIS will be applied.
If you want to live off grid, fine... The best battery setup are 2 banks of Surrette 8CS-25PS batteries. That is a 2 bank, 48 volt system connected series-parrallel. You will need 2 Xantrex SW 5548 stacked inverters and that should be sufficient to run a mid to large size home. Have a 10+ kW generator set up with auto start to take up any slack.
That setup will cost $$$$ but works. Make damn sure you know how to maintain the batteries.
That is good gear. It would expensive to have the grid extended to my location, so cost isn't as important as adequacy and reliability. Thanks for the info.
Ahem... "Even on cloudy days"...
When even a wisp of a cloud passes, the solar panels drop production sharply. This in turn would cause serious grid issues and needs other plants running on 'Spinning Reserve' to keep the grid stable. The guys running the spinning reserve have to pay to keep those plants running and in the end, increase the end cost of electricity substantially. in the EU it tripled the cost of electricity for the end user. Here in the US the prices have nearly doubled in the NE region and other places as well with further cost escalation. This doesn't factor in the extra you will pay in taxes to cover the billions given to political cronies.
veterans today
being re trained for solar tommorow.
if they are iraq,afghan,libya,syria,israel vets they will be lucky to survive the training
why
depleted urainium missile dust inhalation
baby
To the American voter: BRAVO! It's been nothing but success year after year. Everything has been going great! You really did the best and smartest thing you ever did in your life! Just don't forget to go out and vote again for his third, fourth, fifth, and sixth term. Keep up the good work, and NEVER turn off your TV, because your brain will STOP on the spot!
..is there some kind of pent up demand for solar panels..?
In a nutshell, Jimmy Carter 2.0.
"Because we are now running out of gas and oil, we must prepare quickly for a third change, to strict conservation and to the use of coal and permanent renewable energy sources, like solar power."
- JIMMY CARTER, televised speech, Apr. 18, 1977
Politely, I see some words of wisdom in that restrosepct. Yeah, the coal stacks need some scrubbers to clean the waste, but there is nothing in that sentence about Big Brother offering to step in and do the job. And there is one word in particular I like: conservation.
Carter, even his failed hostage rescue endeavor, looks like a knight in shining armor next to the current.
sadly for carter, he did get the hostages freed... but, reagan got the credit
let us not forget that greenspan raised-rates ~ one month before the election that sealed carters fate
carter still blames the FRB & Greenspan for his loss to the 'Acting President"? ref: http://www.economicsuk.com/blog/000130.html
Carter looks like a genius compared to the current crew in the White House. At least he liked America.
The 75000 vets that get this training and employeed by the military will be unemployeed when they get out of the military. So after 7 years of a zero growth economy, Obama is doing his best to make it 8.
Where Our $500 Million Went: Solyndra Glass Tubes Used as Modern Art
Read more: http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/08/20/where-our-500-million-went-solyndra-glass-tubes-used-as-modern-art/#ixzz3WUKkHkQJ
I manufactured the acrylic middle tube to protect morons from being electrocuted if they fell on the photovoltaic cell. Our competitor in California got hit with a 1.5 million soft start-up loss after new facility was completed. Once the FBI arrived, all assets were seized. Thank god I didn't receive my purchase order. 3M had a three month lead time on vapor barrier bags being manufacturered in Malaysia. Solyndra cut out a oven annealing process to prevent the acrylic to absorb moisture.
The funny joke, we started out with polycarbonate until the long term aging looked like a Mercedes Benz light lens. Chalky and candle light luminous refractions. Those poor fucking E300 owners. Hahaha.
It was good while it lasted. I plea da fif managed to find its way.
OK, so I know which panels ( dead horses) not to buy.
Now, which are good solar panels, charge controllers, and finally, good batteries? How are the Lithium Ferrous Phosphates out there?
I've been thinking about portable. Not ready to install permanents on the hosue and then have to move.
http://www.portablesolarpower.biz/collections/portable-solar-generator-s...
These would be worth a look:-
http://redflow.com/redflow-products/zbm/
1. Kyocera Panels (260-325) watters
2: Outback Charge controller and inverter
3: Trojan Batteries.(I'd stick with LA batteries especially if your in a cold climate)
Don't forget the breaker panels, wire, surge suppressors, metering, battery jumpers, etc
A piece of cake.... ;)
Good source of various brands of panels: http://solarblvd.com/
In the battery department Trojan lead-acid is the hands down traditional choice. HOWEVER,
When I did my solar I couldn't swallow the idea of a battery bank that can only be drawn down 10-20%. Discharge your batteries lower than that and you start to really impact their life span.
So I did some research and found a company producing a Nickel-Iron battery (invented by Thomas Edison). They are 50% more expensive UP FRONT, but you can draw them down 80-90% w/o killing life span.
We are looking at a 20-30 year lifespan, with a calculated 41% cost advantage over lead-acid
https://ironedison.com/
Edison cells FTW!
There aren't many places to get them, though.
Here's another:
http://www.zappworks.com/index.htm
And some further information:
http://www.nickel-iron-battery.com/
Disclaimer: I have never done business with either Zapp or Ironedison, and cannot be responsible, blah, blah, blah.
Thanks for the links, Roman. I've been looking into these myself, but what info there is can be hard to dig up.
O'douche is a grifter and a low life-it is so sad that we have become a nation that is ok with this--even puts on a pedestal--sad disgusting and pathetic--I would not piss on him or the rest of the political twats if they were on fire.
"O'douche is a grifter and a low life"
With respect, but that's like calling out one turd in the bowl for stinking.
They are ALL grifters and lowlifes.
The banksters need to repay us.
Like a friend of mine says about voting: "Voting is like fishing a turd out of the bowl everything one flushes."
I included all of the polititical twats if you read further---also--he is the figurehead cunt so I have to call him out first
Government, being nothing but a criminal syndicate of theft and violence, can only produce four things:
1) Poverty
2) Misery
3) Death
4) Lies
All indications otherwise are as real as a lipsticked pig.
The banksters need to repay us.
More gubbermint money (student loans) for all those tech schools,,, And keeps the 'students' off the unemployed list...
a twofer!
Wait till the new solar panels don't work and you call for assistance - and get someone in Lahore.
Inside information:
Between China undermining higher PV and the European Union collapsed market to further subsidize their peasants to pay, it was an a immediate pull the plug program.
I met with such a highly educated group of individuals ranging from MIT to Palo Alto nerds. It was quite an educational experience. Something that you'll never forget.
Fuck Obama. He is a walking imbecile.
Can't hid em in the Post Office anymore so hid em in the desert.
lol,,, so true...
The US economy is now officially fucked and you did it barry you fucking stupid asshole!!!!
No, call and ace an ace and a spade a spade.
He's a typical dumb fuckin nigger.
Time to do away with "PC" and shame people for what they really are.
Whenever the O man says "folks" he's referring to white peiple who like folk music. Just his folksy way of addressing commoners.
Now off my rant. Let's be clear.....
Obama is going to hire 75,000 pool boy's
This kind of stuff is only a smidgen of what the banksters have stolen from the people over the years. And they are stealing more to do it. I say they should provide the veterans with machine guns and have them go after the banksters instead of all this solar crap. It ain't going to be worth a damn as the ice age accelerates over the next 5 years anyhow.
Time to invest in a solar ETF.
We folked some folks...
Obama can go folks himself.
He should put them to work building a water pipe-line from Alaska to California,so the potential benifits of the project,outway the costs
Good idea. I guess the snowpack was almost nothing this year for California.
Of course Barry didn't learn his lesson. If it wasn't his money, why should he?
More to the point, who here honestly believes he's interested in giving good jobs at living wages in the energy sector to peckerwoods who managed to escape being blown to kebab by sandniggers? That would be news to the "folks" being screwed out of good jobs in the shale oilpatch by dumping of crude by our "ally" the House of Saud.
In Arizona the utility companies in Phoenix will begin to charge there solar customers a $50 fee to help pay for the upkeep of the grid they use.
They were all for getting people on solar but now that the revenue isn't where it used to be they need to charge a fee. It's hard for me to fathom
that 15000 people on solar are going to bring down the system.
Every few years the utilities ask for an increase of say 5%. They know they only need say 2% and they know the regulators will give them say 3%.
I guess the bonus money has to come from somewhere.
That is not the problem, Engine. On any given day you will find wind turbines idled and solar panels clouded. All these systems require backups. In essence you have to maintain a traditionally power grid and also a "renewable" grid. Even if everyone had some sort of renewable you have to keep a fully staffed functional traditional power system in place. Then there is the maintenance of the grid.
Apart from giant subsidies the renewables would be DOA for now. If oil stayed around $200bbl then they become viable.
I've looked at solar for one of my properties, but it still seems overvalued. My property managers have been instructed to NOT pursue a SOLAR course of actiom.
SH
Anything the government trys to run turns out to be a fiasco.Don't these idiots learn from what happened to the Soviet Union?
Common Core education is deemed to question Government Authority.
Yes, they have, actually. Well-adjusted white people who believe in God and have anything of value to contribute to a civilized society have no interest in socialism, will always oppose it, and, if it's forced on them, will revolt against it at the first opportunity.
If you're serious about building a socialist society, the white folk need to be culled and replaced with breeds of humanity with lower IQs and fewer of the clues required to successfully revolt.
Ask Obama when the next solar flare will occur to rebuild the thermosphere. Bet he chokes on a answer and wishes that Reggie would please him behind the podium.
Partial list of bankrupt solar companies 2009-13.
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Rest-in-Peace-The-List-of-De...
Winning! LOL
Renewable energy 'simply won't work': Top Google engineers
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/23/google-gives-up-on-green-tech-investment-initiative-rec/
Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.
Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren't guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or "technology" of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company. The duo were employed at Google on the RE<C project, which sought to enhance renewable technology to the point where it could produce energy more cheaply than coal.
Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear.
All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms – and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.
In reality, well before any such stage was reached, energy would become horrifyingly expensive – which means that everything would become horrifyingly expensive (even the present well-under-one-per-cent renewables level in the UK has pushed up utility bills very considerably).
I have always been suspicious of the numbers even though this is not my expertise. I don't even believe electric cars are a net energy saver. My best guess is that they are neutral to slightly negative.
The rare earth minerals, disposal, infrastructure and construction would be enormous. On top of that you still have to maintain traditional power systems and personnel as well as the current grids to back up fluctuations, especially in solar and wind. You essentially have to have two systems the same way hybrid cars really need two engines rather than one in the car.
I believe the politics will reign supreme until it is shipwrecked by the actual physics and economics.
Laws of thermodynamics kicks in.
If you produce more energy than you consume you create a feedback loop then you have a perpetual engine.
The real issue is way to many people on the planet.
Fossil fuels will run out...given enough time. We'll burn up the oil and nat gas...then we'll go for the coal...100 years? who knows. It will get to a point where cost will leave most out of the game. The alternative is electricity (think heat pumps/electric cars)..probably use biofuels for agriculture. Solar and wind? Only work when windy and sunny... need to go all in on nuclear power. Its really the only solution LONG TERM... Fukishima is a disaster...it was also an old piece of shit reactor that should have never been built that close ot the sea. We also need to burn fuel so we have less of the really nast long term radioactive and also require less mining of uranium.
Think of a world with no oil, natural gas or coal. It WILL happen given enough time.
75,000 workers to do what with solar? Polish the existing panels? Who's buying this stuff? Ever since Obama stuck the 35% tax on panels from China to protect the US solar panel industry (oh yeah, that worked great), it only guaranteed higher prices and made sure the average American could never afford the panels. Not only that, a lot of people out there still have the propaganda in their heads that they will sell the extra power back to the utility company. If you believe that, then come over tomorrow with Santa Claus for some photo shoots. I guess if you want to make some press that sounds good, solar is still probably polling well with enough uninformed Americans that he thinks he can get away with more ear candy to make himself still sound good when he steps off the golf course now and then.
next bubble Obozo Solar!!!
Ps We are suing the insurance company of the liquidated solar installer,
no earths connected
non compliant fire rated materials
All three inverters have failed because the electrical design is shit.
my guess the electrical inspector was paid off just before the CEO skipped the country with the company's cash.
Protecting my freedoms by screwing cheap Chinese shit to my roof... God Bless America.
"...sorry about the leaks...we'll be back after the rainy season to fix them..."
This is nothing more than busy work and mis-direction for the vets.
Think about it - they will take as many 11 Bravos as they can, give them some bullshit training tobecome roofing contractors in hope that these guys don't become tied up with some militias, churches, families, hunting, politics or other things that will be about 1000x more useful for society.
These guys are some clever fuckers....using your tax dollars to spay and neuter vets.
Cannot wait for the post-Soetero life. All the shit will come out, like a runny dump.
FUCK OBAMA.
Sure it will. The body count the Clintons piled up in Arkansas alone should have sent them both to the lethal injection chamber a long time ago. The widows and orphans are still waiting.
The solar panel industry is so crowded that Dupont shut down its operations in Hong Kong and China.
Good paying jobs that will help folks get into the middle class.
Good luck with that idea moron.
On the surface this may look like folly. By 2018 we should know if it really was or wasnt. For now pick on other issues, this one is up for grabbs.
Except you won't know that. As Bastiat said 'there is the seen and the unseen' . Even something planned by the state that seems succesful hides what might have been.
You are presuming the state knows best how you should spend your money. I'm guessing you wouldn't want the state to choose your music, wife, car, food etc? Why then is it any different to the state deciding to spend your hard earned money on some scheme or other boondoggle ?
If solar panel fitters were required then there would already be openings in that field. Those that wished to benefit from that employment could pay for their own training because it would provide part of the overhead for the return on that career.
When the state is creating jobs in solar panels for a specific group, then somewhere else there is a group who are losing out. Thie idea that there is only a net benefit is a well known error called ' the broken window fallacy'.
On first sight, this appears to be a great move from Obama !
Renewable energy 'simply won't work': Top Google engineers
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/23/google-gives-up-on-green-tech-investment-initiative-rec/
Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.
Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren't guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or "technology" of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company. The duo were employed at Google on the RE<C project, which sought to enhance renewable technology to the point where it could produce energy more cheaply than coal.
Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear.
All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms – and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.
In reality, well before any such stage was reached, energy would become horrifyingly expensive – which means that everything would become horrifyingly expensive (even the present well-under-one-per-cent renewables level in the UK has pushed up utility bills very considerably).
judging by your reaction time to my post, did you just copy paste all this ?
Do you work for big oil, nuclear industry or US army ? Russia ?
There is only one sane way to allocate scarce resources of any kind and that is by the principle of the free market and it's pricing system.
A government can never know all there is to know so it can only make arbitrary decisions based on a tiny amount of information. Invariably these decisions will and always have been wrong. The result has been a mis allocation of resources, pollution, declining wealth and ultimately war.
It does not matter wether the Govenment blesses oil companies, or electric car manufacturers the results are everywhere and always the same. A bad decision about fossil fuels does not offset a bad decision on the solar industry.
"There is only one sane way to allocate scarce resources of any kind and that is by the principle of the free market and it's pricing system."
I can follow this reasoning to a certain degree, but not completely. I strongly suspect this "sane way" of allocating scarce resources is not a moral way. Free capitalsim leads to the concentration of capital to levels that are not morally defendable. The American dream is dead in the water.
Apart from that, I believe the government can play a role in kickstarting an energy revolution. Electric cars come to mind. I can easily imagine a scenario where there is little incentive to invest in the development of electric cars because there are not enough charging stations and vice versa. Government can break out of that.
"A government can never know all there is to know"
Neither does the market know everything there is to know. The efficient market hypothesis is ...a hypothesis. I do however believe that the market's knowledge will most often be superior.
You imply that knowledge is paramount. Which role does justice have to play ? Does the free market provide just outcomes ? But this is a very old debate. Both markets and governments have a role to play. It is about finding the right balance imho.
I applaud team Obama for this initiative.
You obviously do not know the space. It takes a day to train a roof worker, and they only make $15/hour. Just another headline from Obama.
It takes a day to train a roof worker ?
Strongly doubt it. Apparently you look down on manual labour. Ever tried to install solar panels on a roof yourself and connect them to the grid ?
Currently it isn't the moral way because we don't have anything resembling proper free markets. Instead we have crony capitalism which utilises the power of government to prevent competition.
A real free market is the epitome of true freedom and one might add the Will of God ( or whatever form of universal force you decide is pertinent ). It's a myth that free markets concentrate wealth in small groups. It's quite obvious that this cannot be true if logic is applied. Competition is the method by which profit making is naturally limited. In other words this actually benefits the many from the hard work/risk/imagination of the few. It's only when the Government applies regulations and other protectionist limits that this goes badly wrong.
The American Dream was hijacked by corporatists and Neo corporatists through an ever more powerful government which was designed by big business to limit their capital risk. Prior to the 20th century the US was incredibly inventive from an individual perspective. The problem for established businesses was that any Tom, dick or Harry could set up an innovative/more efficient business and either undercut them, or replace their outdated products entirely. They forced the Government to clamp down on competition and began US cronyism.
If you don't believe the market to be superior to the Government then you believe in authoritarian control. This isn't entirely by chance. Your education was designed to produce loyal workers who would obey authority. This allowed for good soldiers and obedient worker drones. I can't change your mind, or break that conditioning, so it's pointless to try. You have to come to that conclusion yourself. As they said in the film 'The Matrix' . First you have to see the Matrix for yourself and then it can only be you who walks it. No one can tell you what the Matrix is. You have to be prepared to see the truth and even then it can only be you that chooses to walk the path.
Justice is something other than the market place. If you can come to see one thing, then the other is obvious because everything is connected back to one place. You can't see that one place because you haven't had the desire to explore your inner self in order to discover the truth. At present you are bound by what you believe is real. It's like a film where you identify with the characters and events. Until you know how to see it as a film anything I tell you will only be compared with the illusion you are seeing. How can I possibly compete with that :-)
ok thank you for addressing my points.
There is something in your arguments.
I would like to say that your rebuttal of my criticism of capitalism is funnily enough exactly the same as the rebuttal of the criticism ( or I could say postmortem ) of communism I often heard, namely that the USSR was not communistic. No practice will ever entirely conform to theory, otherwise the distinction would not be there. Capitalism as practiced in the USA does lead to a concentration of capital. Your argument that by logic this can not be the case in real free markets, might be true in theory. A theory which is a simplification of reality. At some point you have to be more pragmatic and admit that a situation of completely free markets does not exist, has never existed and will never exist. I think it is better to start from the reality that presents itself and adjust some variables step by step and evaluate the effects, in stead of coming up with a theory of perfection. Take monopolies : I support the government breaking them up. If I apply your reasoning I would say : But if we had had real free markets these monopolies wouldn't be there. They are there.
I think I agree with some of the issues you raise. If you mean by crony capitalism the buying of political influence in Washington to get competitive advantages I agree that is something that would need adjusting. If by crony capitalism you refer to the bail outs of "too big to fail" banks, I also define these as a problem. But that will require government intervention, no ?
About your paragraph on justice : here I totally lose what the focus of your argument is. Not so long ago I realized I was a poor intellectual when somebody asked me what justice meant for me and I did not really have an answer.
yes, I have also heard that argument about communism, but note that it requires force to enact it. It does not come about through voluntary cooperation.
Oh free markets most certainly can and wil exist because they are voluntary. It is only that those who wish to utilise force to achieve their ends cannot envisage it. In places it does exist. It is like grass growing through concrete. Whilst it might not yet be a lawn it has the capacity to become one.
The government is the source of monopolist, they cannot exist without force. Cronyism is the same thing as are bank bailouts.
What is justice ? It is the same thing as truth. You cannot find truth glued to a tree or hanging from a Court window. You have to know truth deep down in your bones. There does not exist an earthbound perfection , only a direction to it. To head North one must walk North. Heading North is not North itself only the direction of travel. Does that make sense to you ?
So, first know and then do. Until you know then it is impossible to do.
Thanks for your reply.
"Oh free markets most certainly can and wil exist because they are voluntary."
That they are voluntary is a powerful and attractive argument. I am all for markets to play a big role. I do not believe they can stand on their own however. Is pollution and lack of public goods ( free rider problem ) that characterize free markets also voluntary ?
"It is like grass growing through concrete. Whilst it might not yet be a lawn it has the capacity to become one."
Nice metaphor, but you need to tweak it a bit ( use some other plant than grass ) for political use :-)
Yes heading North while never quite reaching "the North" does make a lot of sense. But something defenitional is still lacking.
"Until you know then it is impossible to do."
Here is a quote that my mother told me ( free translation ) : Kowing without doing is not knowing at all.
Musk bitchez firing-up major crack pipes - dumb Africans
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I am wondering how many of the 75k will actually go to Americans,I'm guessing most will go to legal and illegal immigrants.
Congress should have tackeled this stupid son of a whore long ago.
This is so damn stupid I can't even comment. You cannot make this shit up.
LOL, I am in this space in CA. Electricians can be had for $25/hour and roof workers for $15. The state makes almost as much in workers Comp Insurance.
Keep sending over cheap labor from Mexico you idiots, and there will be no middle class in 10 years.
"Keep sending over cheap labor from Mexico you idiots, and there will be no middle class in 10 years."
Well, migration issues are at the centre of class struggle. It is crystal clear that the American elite and American lower class most likely have diametrically opposed views on immigration from Mexico and why that is the case.
Bruce K did not post on this thread?? sad- he and I had it out long ago about solyndra, ol Bruce stated: "not a shadow of crime by Solyndra's management that blew thru that tax payer 500 billion was it?
many new to ZH may not understand but old timers will, bruce sucked solyndra cock.
I remember. Upper management gave themselves a bonus before the FBI arrived. Most of the employees were hoping to retire off promised stock allocations of IPO.
More central planning, Comrade.
well if money is no object: hydroelectric plant, not dependent on wind or sun light,,no batteries required..and there you go..but then you need the land that has a stream running with water, seems like cali would not be a good place to look, northern maine gets high marks. about as eco friendly as you can get. and low maintenance to boot.
Solar is still a backwater because the fundamental problems in physical chemistry and materials do not yet allow sunlight to be converted into electricity in an efficient enough way.
When that happens, and it will, a whole crop of mass production manufacturing problems will then have to be solved. The traditional energy companies will go kicking and screaming.
So far, it has all been little incremental improvements and sniffing around the edges.
It will happen, and then the filthy Saudi Wahabi doo-dahs can go back to goat-and-orphan fucking for a living.
I'm glad to see that so many of Obama's sons (he could give a rat's ass about vets) are so qualified in this technology, because it is apparently so easy.
i have noticed the smugness of the prius drivers seems somewhat muted lately..what's up with dat??
Probably apprehensive on whether to replace their Obama bumper sticker with a Clinton decal.
Solar is fine, once it is installed. Currently it is a gougefest to install due to available subsidies. There is no way a house setup should cost 30k. The only real technical problem I see is battery technology. That being said, I am pretty sure the mantle of the earth is 90% made of oil.
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Maybe a better solution to finding jobs for returning veterns might be ending the "endless war" philosophy so we don't have "returning veterns" There was a time once when you could actually learn useful job skills in the milatary.
Obama should put a few million acres of solar panels right in Kansas or Oklahoma, maybe near Joplin, MO.
He can set up a new labor union branch to remove the snow from solar panels.