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Greece Calculates Germany Owes It A Third Of Its Q4 GDP In WWII Reparations

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With almost 70% of Europeans already believing that Greece is a drag on the EU economy, this morning's statement by Greek Alternate Finance Minister Dimitris Mardas - coming just a week after the war-raparations committee was set-up, telling lawmakers in Parliament that he has calculated that Germany owes Greece EUR 278.7 billion in World War II reparations, will surely deepen the rift (at almost 40% of Germany's EUR 735 billion Q4 GDP) whether right or wrong.

 

As Bloomberg reports,

Greece's total war reparations claim amounts to EUR 278.7b, Greek Alternate Finance Minister Dimitris Mardas tells lawmakers in Parliament.

 

The claim was calculated by Greece’s General Accounting Office, which has collected archival material.

This includes a EU10.3b repayment of loan country was forced to make to Germany during Nazi occupation...

Another legal issue that has surfaced concerns the 476 million reichsmarks lent against its will to Germany by the Greek National Bank during the war. If this were to be considered a form of war damage, then in principle it would be subject to reparation — except that according to the 1990 treaty, Germany would not have to pay it.

 

If the money were, however, to be considered a normal credit, then Greece would be entitled to get the money back. The problem is this: even partial recognition of such a debt would create a precedent that could bring untold claims in its wake.

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This comes less than a week after the war reparations committee was set up... (Reuters on April 1st)

A Greek parliamentary committee set up by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras's government to demand reparations for the Nazi occupation of Greece began work on Wednesday, in a move likely to heighten tensions between Athens and Berlin.

 

Greece's emotive campaign for war damages has been waged for decades by governments and private citizens alike. But it has gained momentum in recent years as Greeks suffered under the German-backed austerity imposed by the European Union and the International Monetary fund in exchange for financial bailouts.

 

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The committee that began work today will claim German debts include war reparations, the repayment of the so-called occupation loan that Nazi Germany forced the Bank of Greece to make and the return of stolen archaeological treasures.

 

Tsipras has accused successive German governments of using legal tricks to avoid paying compensation. Germany dismisses the claims as a distraction from Greece's financial difficulties. It says it has honoured its obligations, including a 115 million- deutsche mark (60 million euros) payment to Greece in 1960.

 

Relations between the two countries have frayed since Tsipras's government took power in January seeking to ditch previously agreed bailout promises of austerity measures such as steep cuts to wages and pensions.

 

The Nazi theme is popular among Greek media in taking potshots at Germany, the country's biggest creditor. German officials like Chancellor Angela Merkel and Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble have been depicted in Nazi uniforms or with Hitler moustaches.

 

Hundreds of villages were destroyed, thousands of civilians executed and huge sums looted from the Greek central bank during the Nazi occupation. The Greek government has not officially quantified its reparation claims.

 

 

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Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:18 | 5963779 GetZeeGold
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Then....desperation set in.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:18 | 5963783 Killer the Buzzard
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Calling Mr. Panos!

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:19 | 5963790 Pinto Currency
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Germany's GDP is ~$4 trillion

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:22 | 5963806 Newsboy
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Who will have a chair when this music all stops?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:26 | 5963828 knukles
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At this juncture, good for the Greeks.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:36 | 5963850 pods
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Everyone knows that when Angela unzips her fly and pulls out her manhood what Alexis Tsipras is going to do.

He might cry about it afterwords, but he is still going to do it.

pods

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:28 | 5964060 NoDebt
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Digging up the bones of generations-old debts and rattling them about the continent.  Europe acts more and more like the ME with every passing year.  And its only going to get worse.  Things usually do when you're flat-ass broke and neither creditor nor debtor is willing to admit that.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:30 | 5964076 p00k1e
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We’ve got a long way to go….  Egyptians still gonna whine about Nazi Germany wrecking the Sphinx. 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:46 | 5964131 Wolferl
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War reparations for the Greeks is like playing the lottery if you are broke. You can hope to win the jackpot to be saved, but it will not happen.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:53 | 5964164 BaBaBouy
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OK, OK Germany, Just PAY-OFF Our Entire Greek Govt Debt And We'll Call It Even...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:59 | 5964178 Wolferl
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Actually the Greeks lost the war against us so they should pay war reparations to Germany.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 17:17 | 5964693 Pulq
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They lost a battle. They were on the allied side from the beginning, which means they won the war at the end.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 19:28 | 5965124 Wolferl
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The Greeks surrendered to the German army. They were occupied. They never won any battle. They lost the war big time. And losers like the Greeks get no pay.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 06:54 | 5966064 Pulq
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"They never won any battle." 

They won the first battle on the allied side in the whole war, against the Italians. You're approaching WW2 as if it were "the Axis VS every other country individually", when the title itself says it's a WORLD war. If you attack Germany or its allies, you're member of the Allies. If you attack any other country, you're a member of the Axis. The side of the Allies won the war. Greece won against Italy, and resisted against the German invasion, which puts them obviously in the allied side. Thus they're part of the alliance which won the war. Thus they won the war,  along with all the other allies. And so they're entitled to ask for reparations, which include reparations for families who were massacred in war crimes.E specially when they forced the Bank of Greece to lend them the money with a contract, which means that if the contract hasn't been cancelled by any treaty then it's still valid today.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 23:42 | 5965665 Pokemon
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WolferI I read your comments for a while now and I always wanted to write you that you are a bit of a Nazi. No good German is proud of that war (and which battles were won) dear... 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:34 | 5964624 ThroxxOfVron
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"Digging up the bones of generations-old debts and rattling them about the continent. "

Reparations?  Why not just make laws that give every Greek a preference based on their Greek ethnicity in every sort of govenment contract enforced in Germany, in admissions to all Germany institutions of higher education, pressure German businesses to hire Greeks or even threaten fines for not hiring 'enough' ethnic Greeks, etc.

Or, maybe just have Germany provide 40 acres and a mule to each Greek and be done with it...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 06:56 | 5966069 Pulq
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And accelerate the already critical brain-drain which Greece is experiencing? Do you have any more great ideas like this one?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:49 | 5963907 FMOTL
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Bullshit , Germany and its people suffered more attrocities than any other nation (between 1.2 and 2 million POW,s deliberately murdered by Eisenhower, the millions of civilians melted by "Allied" fire bombing not to mention the unspeakable gang rapes/murders of millions of German women and children). If modern German tax cattle , who were,nt even alive when this war was being fought , have to pay reparations for something they had nothing to do with and live in a country still occupied by agents of Zion, then America, Britain and ex Soviet countries should pay massive reparations to Germany . Oh yes, and how about a refund of 100 billion Deutchmarks for that huge scam the Holohoax from Israhell and assorted lying especially chosen ones

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:56 | 5963939 Nussi34
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1/3 third of close to zero is still zero!

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:09 | 5963996 kaiserhoff
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die Griechen  (to the Greeks, not die Greeks, but that also)

This shit is what you say, when you have nothing to say.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:15 | 5964219 Carl Spackler
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Statute of limitations.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:58 | 5964196 kchrisc
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For those still not in the know about the so-called Holocaust, here is a video of Jewish director Billy Wilder filming a propaganda film at Buchenwald a month BEFORE the war ended. Wilder's office lied for decades about his real departure date to Europe, and date of arrival in Germany from England.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFvDQwDKFw

Notice how Mr. Wilder directs the emaciated man on crutches. I wonder if he was looking for more anguish and pain, or sorrow and bewilderment? "I need more pain. More pain. I knew I should have cast that little girl instead."

The banksters need to repay us.

 

And Simon Wiesenthal was such a prolific liar that even the Jews had to acknowledge his lies. Of course in a very spun and propagandist way, but acknowledge they did.
http://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/it-right-expose-wiesenthal

Now look up how Anne Frank invented the ball point pen years ahead of everyone else so as to better write in her diary.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 16:43 | 5964572 holgerdanske
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"Bullshit , Germany and its people suffered more attrocities than any other nation (between 1.2 and 2 million POW,s deliberately murdered by Eisenhower, the millions of civilians melted by "Allied" fire bombing not to mention the unspeakable gang rapes/murders of millions of German women and children). If modern German tax cattle , who were,nt even alive when this war was being fought , have to pay reparations for something they had nothing to do with and live in a country still occupied by agents of Zion, then America, Britain and ex Soviet countries should pay massive reparations to Germany . Oh yes, and how about a refund of 100 billion Deutchmarks for that huge scam the Holohoax from Israhell and assorted lying especially chosen ones"

 

I think you are right with the notable exception of the USSR, where Stalin killed millions even before the war.

But somehow you seem to forget the Germans started the war and they supported Hitler all the way.

So many would regard this as self inflicted.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 16:49 | 5964595 teslaberry
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how many more nazi trolls are going to post on this site to get it to become a piece of shit ?

 

yes yese the german people were the victims of ww2. 

 

eat shit. the germans were victims of hitler. they were too weak to kill him and so he ruled. and the people reaped the punishements for his actions. 

 

history is a bitch. too bad the winners sometimes are correct eh?

i'm sure the revisionists chomskites on the left and the neo nazi trolls on the right will work together to real fix our problems.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 16:58 | 5964633 ThroxxOfVron
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"If modern German tax cattle , who were,nt even alive when this war was being fought , have to pay reparations for something they had nothing to do with "

Greeks are practically 'African Americans', ya know...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 06:59 | 5966073 Pulq
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The previous generation were the ones who postponed it so many times. Now it's the next generation, but that doesn't justify saying "oh it was so long ago, let's forget about it right?".  

Basically it's saying "Later, later, later, later, later, TOO LATE!"

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:52 | 5965001 Volkodav
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Germany did not.

War was decided on Germany.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:29 | 5963835 KnuckleDragger-X
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GDP is ephemeral and subject to change and it is the government that is responsible for reparation. I'd love to see this dragged into court, Germany would have to defend the indefensible and Greece has nothing to lose at this point.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 17:23 | 5964709 Pulq
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It surely will, they just already have a lot on their hands right now to focus completely on this, although I'm sure they're actively preparing the case to drag Germany in courts, either in the European Supreme Court or in the Hague. God, this will be entertaining, I'm off to make some popcorn. "Yeah OK we killed a tenth of your population with famine alone and took a forced loan worth 10.2 bn today, BUT WE GAVE YOU 100 MILLION AT SOME POINT ISN'T THAT ENOUGH?"

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:13 | 5964018 yrad
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"Fuck you, Malaka!!"

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:28 | 5963832 Sudden Debt
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Foolish desperation.

In order to avoid a thrid world war from Germany, the allies decided that all German debts should be wipped clean.

 

Greece is now calculating how much Germany would own them?

Idiots. They never minded accepting grands from Europe which rebuilded their entire country.

Greece is the prime example of giving somebody a finger and they’ll drag you down the cliff.

Greece is like the silverspoon brad who just was informed that mommy and daddy’s fund just dried up.

So instead of struggling and kicking they should start to look into industrializing their country again.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:42 | 5963868 Son of Loki
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And how much does Japan "owe" most other Asian nations in reparations? And how USA to Japan? and so on and on......

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:13 | 5964017 PrecipiceWatching
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USA to Japan!?

 

Idiot.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:18 | 5964876 Who was that ma...
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Yes, USA owes reparations to Japan.

When the US dropped those bombs on Hirshima and Nagasake, it had nothing to do with "ending the war", Japan was ready to roll over anyway.  Those bombs were meant as a warning to the Soviet Union and nothing else.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 05:44 | 5966016 GetZeeGold
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Thank goodness for Common Core.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:42 | 5963871 Jethro
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“The Greeks had invented democracy, built the Acropolis and called it a day.”
? David Sedaris

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:51 | 5963914 DutchR
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Just give them some GOLD, MAN, they know to a trick or two...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:58 | 5963947 Nussi34
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The only thing the Greeks are good at is asking other people for money... nothing has changed the last few hundred years...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:47 | 5963889 MiltonFriedmans...
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How much does the Vatican owe for it's contribution ?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:12 | 5964005 Model T
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I liked the part where they wanted their 100 Tonnes of Gold back, that the Nazi's looted, in WW11. In one sense, that seems to have been the purpose of the Nazi War Machine, they systematically ripped off the Gold reserves of every country they over-ran. They were furious when they occupied Paris and found out the French had seen this coming and moved all the Gold from their Central Bank to  London. It was sort of a giant Mafia-Thug-Thievery ring with a propaganda arm to get the deluded public to do the dying for them. Very interesting; sounds familiar, too.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:29 | 5964070 HardAssets
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Notice how the brainwashing works so well -

"Ya just gotta pay your debts !"

The 'loan' was of Nothing, made up outta thin air by banksters.

Undoubtedly some fools will go off and get themselves killed when they are sent off as 'debt' collectors.

They will be dumb enough to think they were "defending their country".

'country' = banksters fiat illusion serf control system and instrument for the New Global Feudalism

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:25 | 5964056 thetruthhurts
Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:26 | 5964059 thetruthhurts
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Greece Calculates Germany Owes It A Third Of Its GDP In WWII Reparations

 

and most of it to the good old USA......

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 01:34 | 5965830 blowing winter
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Start working at home with Google ! Its by-far the best mixed bag of goods I've had. Last Thursday I got a trademark new Bmw since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was coming with house at least $77 per hour. I work through this connection, go.to tech marker for work detail.... www.globe-report.com

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:24 | 5963781 JustObserving
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How much will the Vampire Squid charge to endorse those calculations?

By the same logic, UK owes India over 300% of its GDP for Churchill deliberately starving 4 million Indians in WW II accounting for more than 90% of the casualties of the British Empire:

How Sir Winston Churchill Starved 4 Million Indians

Madhusree Mukerjee’s book [Churchill’s Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II, New York, Basic Books, 2010] is not a denunciation of British rule of India, but a meticulous chronicling of the role of the British Raj in furthering a famine in Bengal, and suppressing the fact that this deliberate holocaust took 4 million lives. British historians, including Sir Winston Churchill in his five-volume memoir, glossed over this rather ‘irrelevant incident.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=1396

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:54 | 5963933 MiltonFriedmans...
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The allied powers stood by and watched the atrocities as 20 million + souls were burnt (not gassed as is the common misconception) and the entire German war machine was financed by Wall St.. So, are they not complicit as well?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:18 | 5963785 Smiley
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Ah the victim card; gotta love the classics.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:47 | 5963888 Raging Debate
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Smiley - Yep. This stunt is for Greek public consumption.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:58 | 5963923 DutchR
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"Ah the victim card" 

 

Is that a Debit or Credit card?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:58 | 5963952 Smiley
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EBT

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:05 | 5963981 DutchR
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Touché

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:22 | 5964048 my_nym
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Credit.

 

For everything else there's the master race card? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-G2F8LPQWk

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:29 | 5964072 Harbanger
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Of course, they are leftists, that's their #1 card, I'm surprised they hadn't used the victim card sooner.  Germans can now be labeled as the oppressive elite.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:18 | 5963786 Bay Area Guy
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Good luck collecting that.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:25 | 5963822 oudinot
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Bit that is the beauty of the gambit:  Greece does not have to 'collect' from Germany-that won't work-they just deduct from what Germany owes Greece!

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:03 | 5963972 DutchR
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So if you have nothing you can deduct what you owe from somebody who owe's you.

 

Hell of a day to quit sniffing glue

 

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:21 | 5963787 williambanzai7
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Hint: Right of Offset

Bankers Online: The "right of offset" is a common-law concept that has been codified in some states and restricted or modified in others. It stems from early trade settlements in which two merchants, each of whom owed the other some amount, would "offset" or "net" their receivables balances and the net debtor would pay the net balance to the net creditor.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:26 | 5963826 zenon
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The "institutions" spearheaded by Germany insisted during the drafting of Greece's bail-out agreements for the right of offset to be excluded.  So legally Greece has foresaken its right to offset one against the other. Of course one could argue that this was done under duress.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:03 | 5963970 williambanzai7
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Contract of adhesion

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:19 | 5963788 Ignatius
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Imagine what US reparations will be down the road...

I don't know how the Germans can take it and still live a first world existence.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:24 | 5963813 NoVa
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US reparations to who - ???  just think of all the hypenated Americans

African A's, Mexican A's, Asian A's, Native A's, heck - Greece will never get away with the claim.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:46 | 5963874 Ignatius
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Do you have any idea how many millions the US has killed and maimed since WWII??  At least a million dead just in Iraq on fraudulnt WMDs.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:48 | 5963897 holgerdanske
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"Do you have any idea how many millions the US has killed and maimed since WWII??  At least a million dead in Iraq on fraudulnt WMDs."

 

Yes, - upwards of 15 million. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:20 | 5963791 jubber
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Dax 12000+

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:20 | 5963793 El Vaquero
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Yeah, how many people who have a living memory of what the Germans did to Greece in WWII are still around?  In Greece?  This is just a Hail Mary move.  I know this isn't going to be popular with the bankers, but some debts are so old that they shouldn't be paid.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:33 | 5963842 Jethro
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Reparations is still a popular topic with certain segments of our own population. Cracks me up everytime it's mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6J1Skptbs

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:21 | 5963798 i_call_you_my_base
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So just transfer the Greek debt to Germany's balance sheet and call it a day.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:22 | 5963805 Hyjinx
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WOW! What a ridiculous number.  Should have let this one fly on April Fools.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:24 | 5963816 ParkAveFlasher
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Will the Greeks accept restitution from Nazi corpses?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:25 | 5963820 Jethro
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LOL!!!!!! Nazi Germany couldn't possibly have plundered that many donkeys.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:32 | 5963840 Sudden Debt
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The drachme has been devalued so many times in the mast 60times thatthe total debt owned would be closer to 5 euro’s.

So if I where Germany’ I’d put somebody with real math skills on it.

And the debts where made in drachma’s so ghey should know better.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:25 | 5963821 Drummond
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Obviously Tsipras hasn't seen all 6.5 hours of -Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never told - I don't reckon Germany owes Greece or anyone for that matter, fuck all. I think Germans have lived under a false cloud for long enough!

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:59 | 5964180 83_vf_1100_c
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  I threw a house warming party when I moved in to my new digs in Germany. Later that night after many Bitburgers and some Apfelcorn I got to talking to one of my neighbors. He was not happy to be still paying for WWII or being occupied by us. In hindsight, he was right.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:26 | 5963825 Joebloinvestor
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I wonder how much the Romans owe?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:30 | 5963838 Niall Of The Ni...
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Ten thousand talents, give or take. :)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:30 | 5963836 Niall Of The Ni...
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That's nothing. Berlin still owes Europe's Jews and their descendants in Israel a good EUR500 billion (double what was stolen from them in today's money plus interest, less the insulting "reparations" paid after the war)---enough to retire Israel's entire national debt and set Israelis up with a good-sized sovereign wealth fund. With that in hand Israel would no longer need military aid from Uncle Sugar.

Of course, Berlin has far better uses for the Jews' money---running guns to Jew-killers in "Ukraine," for example.

(Not to mention the banksters prefer to keep Israel up to its eyeballs in debt as well.)

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:40 | 5963847 Jonesy
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People use the word "Nazi" too much.  Everybody's a Nazi these days, Israelis, Ukies, Putin, skinheads, anti-semites, every alphabet agency of the JewSA, holocaust historians/deniers, grammar Nazis, even I'm labeled Nazi.  It's lost it's clout when everybody can be one, it's nothing more than a relic from a bygone era resulting from the HoloHOAX.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:37 | 5963856 The Reich
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The Reich knows how good the Greeks juggle with num6ers.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:42 | 5963865 Goldbugger
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Technical Default on April 9. Then 30 days for the full monty. But they will bail again and again and again.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:44 | 5963869 newsoutlet
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Russia owes trillions of dollars to Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia for russian crimes as USSR invaded, occupied and killed million in gulags :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZjyyAE-78

 

Now putin regime hides Stalin crimes against humanity:

 

Russia's gulag museum 'makes no mention' of Stalin's atrocities

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russias-gulag-museum-make...

 

And instead an museum will open in Moscow to "honor his work":


Stalin museum to open in Russia

https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/03/11/stalin-museum-to-open-in-russia

 

And these are polls showing what is Russian attitude (under putin regime propaganda) to these war crimes:

45% - crimes of Stalin can be justified, but 3 years before on 2012 only 21 % thought so.
Now 57% - object calling Stalin a criminal.
2010 there where 18 - 19% of Russians who called Stalin's death as "great leader and scholar loss" now this number has increased to 24%.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2015/03/31/vse-bolshe-rossiyan...

Also check out articles:

Majority of Russians Say Stalin Played 'Positive Role'
http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-poll-finds-majority-of-russians-say-s...

 

 

 


Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:52 | 5963918 TheFourthStooge-ing
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For newsoutlet viedoklis, a sane ground as a base for commentation is not a mattering thing.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:58 | 5963951 Niall Of The Ni...
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Russia owes the Baltic states trillions, Kuzma's mother's snatch!

If the Balts had any sense of gratitude they would be kissing Russians' feet for what they did for them during the war. Everyone knows Hitler's plan for the Balts, Poles and "Ukrainians" was to feed them into gas chambers like the Jews or deport them to Siberia. They have the Russians to thank for there being Baltic states at all to spit in Russia's eye.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:14 | 5964007 newsoutlet
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My grandmothers father was taken by USSR KGB and send to Siberia where he died. Many many children, women, man, elders and even babies where deported to Siberia where they died.

You are a sick person if you support this. Sick in mind and soul if you support USSR crimes against humanity and think that any human being should be "thankful" for those crimes.

Take your courage and watch those Soviet crime movie!

 

But you won't - you are just a putin paid troll and nothing more you will ever be in this life.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:20 | 5964042 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

My grandmothers father was taken by USSR KGB and send to Siberia where he died. Many many children, women, man, elders and even babies where deported to Siberia where they died.

Same thing happened to Russians under the USSR as well. You probably think they deserved it, because you think Russians are subhumans per your pro-Nazi Latvian upbringing.

Look in the mirror to see the sick person. Only those totally detached from reality conflate the USSR with the Russian Federation.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:30 | 5964075 newsoutlet
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You as putin paid troll, somehow forget fact I mentioned about how putin regime:
1.) hides Stalin crimes and instead opens museum to honor him
2.) how majority of "modern era" Russians approves Stalin saying he plaid positive role for them
3.) how Russia took automatically seat in UNSC that USSR had and how Russia with putin regime takes glory for crushing Nazis what USSR did (one evil fought other evil - both where same evil) - so this mean Russia acknowledges that is responsible for USSR. But never ever Russia has apologize for USSR crimes against humanity. And now putin regime hides all these USSR crimes and facts and rebuilds russian thinking to rebuild might that USSR represive regime had.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:43 | 5964121 SMC
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Everyone dies.  What matters is how they lived.

Perhaps you should ask your fairy godmother to hand out more cookies on her next visit.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:58 | 5964155 newsoutlet
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I wonder - would you tell your wife same thing when you both would see how your baby dies because of starvation / cold temperature in those train wagons during deportation to Siberia.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:55 | 5964147 newsoutlet
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For me - 90% of Russians are idiots / victims who are manipulated and brainwashed by putin regime propaganda machine. And I can not hate or be angry at them - because their free will for their mind opinion has been taken away by putin regime. It is 10% of intelectuals and people who realy care for Russia and Russians I still believe they can set free from this terrible regime putin has created.

https://youtu.be/GMtlnLsijAk

 

It's funny how Russian risch people, journalists, thinkers, intelectuals who doesn't agree to putin regime emigrates to Baltic states - I guess we are not nazis after all ;)

But for putin regime trolls nazis are everyone who doesn't agree to putin regime and speaks up against it.

Than this person or nation must be discredited as much as possible - or if that doesn't work than killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalya_Estemirova

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky

 

or attacked / invaded / occupied / created pro-putin regime puppet state / annexed as it was for Ukraine & Georgia.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:08 | 5964201 TheFourthStooge-ing
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newsoutlet viedoklis exhibits severe affliction of Russophobe hysteria. It can be a real problem in Latvia.

Latvian insanitation is a hateful, bitter, hypocritical phenomenum.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:13 | 5964019 Anunnaki
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How much is that in potatos?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:42 | 5963870 Glass Seagull
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Just another European country trying to plunder the productivity of the German economy.

 

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:45 | 5963879 holgerdanske
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This is interesting.

But the principle must be that if money is owed, it must be paid! This has always been the German stance towards Greece.

Let's see what the policy is (according to Germany) when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:43 | 5964320 Wolferl
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All we owe to the Greeks is 478 million Reichsmark. Todays value: ZERO. But we can print those Reichsmark for the Greeks if they want to, paper and ink are cheap.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:45 | 5963882 cigarEngineer
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Just as we do not hold the citizens of the old Soviet countries accountable for the debts incurred by their corrupt leaders, so, too, is it stupid to hold citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany accountable for the debts incurred under the Third Reich, or the citizens of the States accoutable for the debts incurred by their corrupt leaders in Congress.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:54 | 5963930 rejected
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If memory serves, Russia paid off the USSR's debts...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:47 | 5963892 LetsGetPhysical
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Raparations = "we're weak and feckless. please give us money cause we lost." 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:53 | 5963925 GoldSilverBitcoinBug
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Here we go: lazy Greeks play the victim cards to extort Germany !

Time for those socialist fucker to get kicked out from the Euro even if they default (it's not like they can reimburse it in the first place).

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 13:57 | 5963946 hooligan2009
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I guess if you are Polish, everybody owes you about 5 times GDP on that basis.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:00 | 5963958 BigRedRider
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The Greeks better watch their asses.  France pulled this war reparations shit with Germany after WW1 and we all know how that turned out.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:01 | 5963959 MarketWizard
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when did 50 years become ancient history?

 

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28416-focus-germany-kille...

 

Germany had plenty of its WWII debt frgiven and they had the audacity to lecture Japan recently on paying theirs..

 

PLS KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU POST

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:21 | 5964045 libertysghost
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And if it is ancient history than it all just becomes a waiting game.  

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:39 | 5964104 ANestIOS
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so when Varoufakis said @the IMF that the greeks will honour their debt he just left out the "as long as the germans honour their debt to us". Next he'll tell the "institutions" to go to the germans...  

Does anyone know where this type of dispute can be judged? - or is it a case of the greeks asking the germans and the germans saying nein?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:06 | 5963968 justmy2cents
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IMO Germany is actually the one who is behind these ideas/demands for reparations as it is money for Greece that goes down better with the German public.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:11 | 5964002 Anunnaki
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Too little too late

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:12 | 5964004 The_Dude
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Italians to file claim for German invasion of 410, Spain still contemplates their extortion story....News at 11

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:13 | 5964015 BeerMe
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Greece will hang themselves.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:24 | 5964054 juicy_bananas
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Godwin's Law

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:40 | 5964110 83_vf_1100_c
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  ... and the US .gov owe every descendant of a black slave 40 acres and a mule, even the ones who emigrated since slave day. obozo will get his but fat fucking chance any other brother will see a 4 legged animal standing in their new yard in this century.

In other news - Germany calculates it owes Greece a third of it's military might delivered in a kinetic form. 

I have read on ZH (and agree) the banksters owe us, a lot. I'll stand in line with the Greeks and wait. /s  I'd be happy if they would just start fresh, leave me, my children and my hard earned fiat alone. I'll do fine on my own. repeat... fat fucking chance. Just hit the reset switch already. I am ready for an adventure. I've got all this prepper shit gathering dust to try out. 500 rds of .45 coming in the mail, several k of 5.56/7.62 to burn up on unwanted visitors. I'm old, can't run and just don't give a fuck, let's party! I'm coming to respect the muzzies in that they are not afraid to die for their beliefs. I may not agree with those beliefs but gotta give them their due. If our roles were swapped today, we (the USSA and Europe) would be bowing to Mecca in short order.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 14:53 | 5964163 walküre
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Ich glaub mich knutscht ein Elch.

Way to go Mr. Alternate Finance Minister #312

Who gives this guy the time of day?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:15 | 5964218 Shirley Swanepoel
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israel got billions in reparations. When I was there, every taxi driver was driving a Mercedes. And they are still milking it. But Greece cannot?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 20:00 | 5965205 dag
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How many Greeks sent to the ovens?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:36 | 5964293 Saccard
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I recommend greece should first ask the iran for reparations for the Greco-Persian Wars from 500 to 490 BC. Including the interests for the last 2500 years I am sure this will summarize to 1000's of billion Euros and solve all of greece problems. ;-)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 15:42 | 5964309 Rusputin
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I hope Mr Mardas's calculator is OK working out the 278.7bn Euro reparations, because German GDP was 3,415bn Euro in 2013, not 735bn Euro. So only 8% of GDP according to the UN.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 16:40 | 5964562 mastersnark
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"The claim was calculated by Greece’s General Accounting Office..."

Given Greece's current government budget condition, obviously these numbers are accurate.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 16:41 | 5964563 earnulf
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So where is the expiration line, when claims from the past no longer have to be honored?       How long do you have before the statue of limitations runs out?

I'd think anything past 80 years is pretty much toast since you'll be hard pressed to find coherent, first hand witnesses to give testimony and undergo cross.   Heck, even 60 years is pushing the envelope.

Wonder how much chaos would result from a total wipe of all debt (big and small) compared to the impending collapse of the economy once all the cards are on the table and the light get's turned on.      Might be better to wipe it clean now and let those chips fall rather than wait for the ultimate reset.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 17:20 | 5964701 Rough-Trader
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Fao fmotl ,
Sorry but holocaust was real.
Why don't you Nazi shithead just accept it.
Germany and its fucking idiot bankers should pay the money bank to Greeze. The remainder, interest, should be spent on killing people like you.
Did you know that denying holocaust is a crime in Germany?
I bet you didn't.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:51 | 5964993 Monty Burns
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"Did you know that denying holocaust is a crime in Germany?"

Indeed. And in several other countries as well. I can understand why. What would happen if the truth about the Holocau$t got out?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 17:30 | 5964735 Light29ID
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Funny how they NOW want reparations when their backs are against the wall, 70 years after the war and 25 after the wall fell.  I think the Statue of Limitations has run out on the Greeks.

 

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 19:25 | 5965112 nicxios
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No dipshit, they've been asking for 70 years and kept getting the run around. As they're getting it now, again. If you're going to sit on your brain, then don't comment.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:10 | 5964849 Who was that ma...
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I wonder how much the US owes in war reparations to sovereign countries all over the world.  An astronomical number I'll wager.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 18:22 | 5964889 mog
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E278.7.

Looks fair.

If anything a bit on the low side.

Thousands of dead and national infrastructure destroyed.

Greece was a loyal member of the allied nations and paid a heavy price.

Why shouldn't the Third Reich pay war reparations?.

They have paid them to the Jews for 70 years.

Supported Israel and given them horrific weapons in compensation.

I say go for it Greece.

The Serbs should be next.

In view of Jasenovac I think the Serbs could near double it.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 19:24 | 5965108 nicxios
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All debts must be paid. No tricks. Pay up you fucking Nazis, been dodging us for 70 years.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 19:34 | 5965139 Wolferl
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Pathetic war losers like the Greeks don´t get payed. If you want war reparations send an army to Germany and try to get it.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 19:49 | 5965181 Prober
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Germany to Greece:

Come and get it.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:34 | 5965408 are we there yet
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France invaded Russia and everybody with Napoleon and needs to give Russia reparations, Germany invaded everybody, Spain invaded much of the world, England owes Reparations for displacing the American indian. Vanilla Ice needs to pay reparations for invading rap music, Kenya needs to pay reparations to the US for invading Washington D.C.... Collective Reparations of historic collective grievances from the distant past has no legal or practical basis.  If it ever does I nominate the Federal Reserve to return all the money they have siphoned off.

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