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As US Seeks To "Contain" Iran Nuclear Plans, Russia & China Expand Theirs

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As The United States continues to 'deal' with Iran's nuclear ambitions, Sputnik News reports that "the expansion of cooperation between the Russian Federation and China in the nuclear sphere is being actively discussed." The source went on note that talks on the construction of the seventh and eighth units of the Tianwan Nuclear Power Station in China are in the final stage following the signing of a major memorandum of understanding between Russian and Chinese officials in March 2014, that laid the groundwork for future energy cooperation between the two countries.

 

As Sputnik News reports,

Russia and China are discussing further broadening of bilateral cooperation in the sphere of nuclear development, an anonymous source told journalists on Monday.

 

"The expansion of cooperation between the Russian Federation and China in the nuclear sphere is being actively discussed," the source said, adding that talks on the construction of the seventh and eighth units of the Tianwan Nuclear Power Station in China are in the final stage.

 

 

The Tianwan Nuclear Power Plant, located on the Chinese coast and considered to be the safest in the world by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), was constructed using Russian nuclear power equipment and service export monopoly Atomstroyexport. It began operation in 2007.

 

 

The Tianwan nuclear energy complex will comprise eight generating units when it is fully completed.

 

Russian and Chinese officials signed a major memorandum of understanding in March 2014 that laid the groundwork for future energy cooperation between the two countries.

 

The memorandum led to agreements on the joint construction of a series of floating nuclear power plants in China.

 

According to CEO of the Russian state nuclear energy corporation Rosatom Sergei Kiriyenko, his company views the Asia-Pacific market as a priority for the Russian nuclear industry.

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Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:38 | 5965418 naiverealist
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I have previously read somewhere that China was embarking on a ten/fifteen year plan to produce Thorium (non-plutonium making and non-GE) reactors.

 

That would be great!

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:21 | 5965510 fudge
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They're also interested in the results/benefits [possible cost sharing] from the Russian Federation BN-800 breeder. Russia also has other 'Green' things in the back ground that would be of benefit to BRICS partners.

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:52 | 5965572 cigarEngineer
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Is thorium the real deal? Are there PhD dissertations in favor of it?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:57 | 5965586 bonin006
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There may be negative correlation between the answers to your two questions.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 23:04 | 5965602 Publicus
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Step 3 of China's 3 step nuclear program is fusion. Of course, they'll never be able to make it work until they embrace the Electric Universe theory.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:26 | 5965693 wee-weed up
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"As US Seeks To "Contain" Iran Nuclear Plans"

Uh, WTF?

There's the problem with your whole premise right there in the title...

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

Obozo is giving the Iranians all the freedom in the world to make nukes!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 01:15 | 5965794 blowing winter
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Tue, 04/07/2015 - 11:44 | 5966780 teslaberry
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a thorium expert and leading advocate has spoken out about chinese visits to the u.s. exploring information the u.s. DOE would freely give to them. 

 

it's highly doubtful they will build thorium or other types of 'burning' plants that use transuranics or u-238. 

 

the chinese aren't particularly innovative yet, nor are they particularly interested in taking risks yet---they want ELECTRICITY AND LOTS OF IT. 

 

they will repeat the wests old outdated methods of using u-235 generation 2 reactors with NO PLANS TO PROPERLY HANDLE WASTE OTHER THAN LEAVING IT IN VULNERABLE FUEL POOLS. 

 

the chinese will take these shitty methods, and scale them up and build faster and cheaper. meaning that we will see the same mistakes of the 20'th century made on an even larger and more dangerous scale. it is truly sad the chinsese are doing this, but----i guess at least it is nice to offer them congratulations for becoming a modernized economy with high per capita electricity production. it's ALL ABOUT the electricity if you want to be a world power. 

 

contrary to what people say, nuclear energy is reliable , even if all the 20th century 2nd generation reactors are giant ticking time bombs like fukushima.

forget thorium and other bullshit that will never happen in 100 years---the real obvious shame is that basic methods to avoid storing 'hot' nuclear fuel rods in storage pools for 5 years+ have not been embraced. 

 

it's all about the fuel pools. fukushima's entire CORE was vaporized into the atmosphere. and even so-------fukushima could have been way way way worse. because there's orders of magnitutde more roentgens inside of the stored fuel than in the rods in the core. before one can effectively hope to start dealing with the massive number of fuel assemblies stored in old fuel pools around the world----------ONE MUST STOP ADDING TO FUEL POOLS AND MAKING NEW FUEL POOLS FOR NEW REACTORS. 

 

 

this is not happening. so we are looking at a 21st century with proliferation of fuel pools. each pool carries MILLIONS of times more radioactive poisons than found in a conventional nuclear weapon. 

 

how can this be the case? nukes are radioactive indeed -----but not nearly as bad as you think. most of a nuke's destruction comes from the explosion or 'chain reaction' . 

 

if a fuel pool were to be exploded and aersolized with conventional munitions-------you get chernobyl/fukushima and worse. 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:15 | 5970804 screw face
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+1 teslab....nuclear is forever .....bank on it.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:41 | 5965423 JustObserving
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Russia has been busy signing nuclear deals:

 

Going Nuclear: Russia and India agree to build 12 power reactors by 2035

December 11, 2015

http://rt.com/business/213411-going-nuclear-russia-india/

Russia to help build Egypt's first nuclear power plant

10 Feb 2015

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/russia-build-egypt-nuclear-power-p...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:45 | 5965433 nmewn
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Sounds very green ;-)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:47 | 5965440 A Lunatic
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Especially the floating versions........

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:52 | 5965451 nmewn
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Can you imagine the spasmodic epileptic fits of rage (in certain quarters) that would happen in this country if it embarked on this program?...lol.

Why, its almost worth proposing it just to watch ;-)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:59 | 5965466 Handful of Dust
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Napping in stores on furniture, a potential title for a new movie starring Drew Barrymore, is apparently a big thing in China, a phenomenon Ikea is no longer too fond of and is attempting to ban. According to the Beijing Youth Daily, Ikea staff at a Beijing store are trying to implement a new rule—no sleeping while shopping.

Ikea's Beijing Store is Totally Over its Many Sleeping Shoppers

 

https://homes.yahoo.com/news/ikea-watch-ikeas-beijing-store-143950143.html

 

Savages!

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:05 | 5965474 nmewn
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lol...napping on store display furniture in China is a "thing"?

Some serious partying types over there ;-)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:24 | 5965516 fudge
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a simpler variation of the Swedish IKEA hide and seek ;-)

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:38 | 5965542 Miffed Microbio...
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I agree with the shoppers. I personally find shopping soul sucking( ok, maybe not the gun store) and would be bored to unconsciousness if I had to do it for any length of time. I'd rather buy everyone's Christmas gifts on Amazon than face the crowds looking for crap, pisses my mother in law off every year to no end.

Maybe they should install nails in the furniture seats. Hmmm, with ideas like this I wonder why I don't work with the public.

Miffed

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:12 | 5965716 847328_3527
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I don't mind so much them sleeping on store furniture ... it's when they spit in the street that's pretty bad. One reason Jim Rogers chose Singapore over HK or China is its cleaniness and order.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 11:39 | 5966772 Fish Gone Bad
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Tuberculosis. 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:06 | 5965476 AlaricBalth
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From The World Nuclear Association.

Emerging Nuclear Energy Countries
(Updated 28 February 2015)

Over 50 countries are actively considering embarking upon nuclear power programs.

These range from sophisticated economies to developing nations.
The front runners after Iran are UAE, Turkey, Vietnam, Belarus, Poland and possibly Jordan.

Recently, 50 developing countries that do not have nuclear reactors for electricity production expressed to the IAEA interest in acquiring their first nuclear power plant. Such countries have a gross domestic product (GDP) ranging from US$6 billion (Haiti) to US$657 billion (Turkey) and electric grids ranging from 0.1 gigawatt (Haiti) to 31 gigawatts (Turkey). It is unlikely that countries with a GDP smaller than US$50 billion would be able to purchase a nuclear reactor worth at least a few billion dollars. In addition, electric grids, for technical reasons, must have a minimum of 10 gigawatts to accommodate a large nuclear reactor. Eliminating the countries that do not fit these criteria, we are left with a short list of 16 countries that could be considered serious candidates for purchasing large nuclear reactors: Algeria, Belarus, Chile, Egypt, Greece, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Malaysia, Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:48 | 5965561 Antifaschistische
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Is there a place in the US where there's 6 to 8 nuclear power plants along the same river?

Not my expertise....but....what happens to the water temperature of the river by the time it hits the big cities on the coast?  Anything?   Doesn't warmer water create a better breeding ground for undesirable microscopic criters and mosquito's and...etc?   Maybe negligible.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:58 | 5965778 COSMOS
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The warm water may be the least concern, the contaminated aspect of it is most disconcerting.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 01:50 | 5965851 Rock On Roger
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mutant mosquitoes

 

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 11:50 | 5966788 Fish Gone Bad
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All the nuke plants leak tritium/tritiated water.  The stuff is so corrosive it will eat stainless steel pipes.  It is a bitch to contain, so no one talks about it. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:41 | 5966946 AChinese
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Canadian and American are really screwed. Fukushima leaking water reached NA west coast 6 months ago.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:51 | 5965442 Wild Theories
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Don't forget Turkey.

Turkey's has being actively pursuing nuclear power as well, and has 3 nuclear plants in the pipes(each signed to Russian, Japanese, and Chinese, just to even the spread)

 

Funny you never hear the west worrying about anyone else's nuclear power plans unless their name is Iran.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:58 | 5965462 nmewn
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Its a valid point, most in "the west" have no idea where that bastion of "collective green" (the French) get the bulk of theirs.

Hey, I think the Kardashians are on ;-)

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:24 | 5966566 mattfriend88
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I understand that the French have world's most successful civilian nuclear program.  Key components are standardized design and rigorous supervision by the state. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:02 | 5966828 Fish Gone Bad
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I was looking at the Lyon Heart Study follow up (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9625397).  One has to wonder if the cancer deaths were only from omega-6 fat contribution or Lyon sitting in the middle of 3 nuke plants...  Perhaps I read too much.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:40 | 5968154 unicorn
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?!? rigorous supervision by the state. ?!?

i hope you just forgot the /sarc?

french roads are radioactive, cause they put the waste in there, plus pumping radioactive water into the sea, see greenpeace videos, and the meters that measure are placed carefully on the only spots, not violating the limmits. etc.

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:24 | 5966567 mattfriend88
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I understand that the French have world's most successful civilian nuclear program.  Key components are standardized design and rigorous supervision by the state. 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:44 | 5965430 FieldingMellish
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"Our pollution, your problem."

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:51 | 5965447 Atomizer
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No one seems to remember the BRICS threat. Idle news until the crisis begins. 

http://m.in.rbth.com/world/2015/02/28/goodbye_dollar_brics_set_to_enhanc...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:55 | 5965456 Yes_Questions
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what could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:01 | 5965469 nmewn
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Russian technology is extremely reliabull, Chernobyl is Ukrainian issue! ;-) 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:26 | 5965520 Duc888
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Russian technology is extremely reliabull, Chernobyl is Ukrainian issue! ;-)

 

Like American GE / Fuki is any better?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 01:59 | 5965855 Zwelgje
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please don't pop his bubble.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 06:50 | 5966063 nmewn
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Well, triggering a meltdown because of "a test" is a little bit different than a tsunami (the result of an earthquake) swamping the facility.

Fortunately earthquakes are unheard of now in China these days, Chinese central planners having forbidden them from occurring and ordered the regulatory bureaucracy of the state (such as it is, cough-cough) to be ever vigilant in rooting them out before they happen...lol. 

On a side note, central planners in California & DC have also "felt the power" and in a fit of hubris ordered more snow to fall in the mountains next year and the San Andreas Fault to stitch itself closed within five years so as to not effect the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant. 

There's really nothing they're incapable of doing...sigh ;-)

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:14 | 5966529 HowdyDoody
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Ukraine is trying to cram GE made fuel rods into the reactor of one of its major Soviet desgined nuke plants. Knock-off parts for a car is one thing, but a nuke reactor?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 08:26 | 5966217 datura
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Chernobyl was above all the fault of the "human factor". It was a deliberate (even if stupid) experiment gone awry, so it says nothing about safety of Russian nuclear plants, just about enormous stupidity of the then leadership, who ordered that nuclear experiment. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 09:41 | 5966405 Morbid
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there is dire amound of eveidence now that leaked out over the years to suggest that chernobyl was a deliberate attempt to provocate a dissaster coming from the highest eshelons of ussr power, at the time working hard dismantling the communist society. together with failures of afghan war, underground nuclear explosion in spitak (armenia), empty store shelves and much much more was made to create a public uproar and demand 'new' system to be implemented.

by the way. google 'chernobyl-2' and why it was crucial for it to not be made operational. one of the four reactors was made to provide power exclusively to that secret facility.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:32 | 5966914 AChinese
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It actually is. If you look into it, the other Chernobyl ractors are still running until this day. They should be shutdown but Ukrain is running short on power. 

All the reactor accidents to this day are human faults except Japan's. Even Japan's is a kind of human fault because the coperation cut cost in safety matters while building the plant.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:57 | 5965460 Divine Wind
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Can't forget the Saudi nuke program.

Not reactors, but bombs.

From Pakistan.

Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan (2013)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846

 

 

 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 21:59 | 5965465 Atomizer
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Turkey US Air base talks tactical discussion. We used them during Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran is the trigger point. 

http://www.iraqinews.com/arab-world-news/turkey-denies-air-base-deal-us/

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:01 | 5965468 Kirk2NCC1701
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If I were Persia, I'd sign a deal with the Ruskies, whereby they (the Ruskies) centrifuge the material for them (to a certain level), if they buy Russian reactors.

Call it leveraging, or Outsourcing.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:22 | 5965500 Atomizer
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What squbba diver will recut Iran fiber optic cable and send a nasty Siemens virus to shutdown Iran again? It can't be are ally Jews again. They need more financial assistance from hard working US taxpayers. 

BMW e39 m5 burnout scares jews

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8OWS4g8XM

http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-article/stuxnet-virus-was-deployed-ag...

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:30 | 5965521 Captain Nukem
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Brilliant idea! Why not build a bunch of Chernobyl-quality nuclear plants in one of the world's most densely populated countries that also happens to be situated beside the Pacific "Ring of Fire" earthquake zone. What could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:49 | 5965564 Atomizer
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Really?  Fukushima BWR reactor was supplied by General Electric. Joint ventured with Toshiba, Hitachi. 

The only nuclear bomb is General Electric. Iran is a threat because they have a safer technology that is not subleased through three companies that don't give a shit. 

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 22:30 | 5965529 q99x2
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Bastards put them on the side of China that is closest to my jogging path. Hope they don't float any closer like them Japanese sons-a-bitchez.

Mon, 04/06/2015 - 23:43 | 5965666 ted41776
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you had me at "Made in China" stickers on a nuclear reactor... Hey, I know...we could put toilet water on it

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:09 | 5965711 Never One Roach
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The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same as a cleaner in Thailand

 

http://qz.com/170363/the-average-chinese-private-sector-worker-earns-abo...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 03:40 | 5965936 Firewood
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Almost 100 million unemployed USSANS cash in "their foodstamps" at Chinese soup kitchens like Walmart.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:19 | 5965720 Vuke
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The world is quietly skirting America, it's dollar and lt's threats. If America doesn't relinquish its sanctions and threats it will soon become totally isolated itself. What then?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:17 | 5966541 HowdyDoody
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<-- US has a temper tantrum
<-- US goes full Zionist

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:19 | 5966547 Pullmyfinger
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Then we're given a rare second chance to start over...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 00:36 | 5965745 luna_man
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Heck, sanctions, seem to really be motivating those russians...More Pain, More Gain.

 

stop! already

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 04:54 | 5965986 Kyddyl
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I don't give a damn who has nuclear reactors if all that happens is that piles and piles and piles of spent fuel rods are created. Unless it's shot out into deep space there's no safe place to put the crap and fuel rods are nasty for a very long time. I hope this is all just more hot air and devisiveness to keep our eyes off the real games.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 10:16 | 5966537 Pullmyfinger
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Thorium reactors, not uranium. Huge difference.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:37 | 5967409 farflungstar
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Would they be likely to listen if AmeriKa tells them to knock it off, pretty please?

Nah and you would hear the laughter all the way from over here at the oh so Benevolent Hegemon.

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 02:08 | 5974317 onmail
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Yeh China-Russia keep your gun powder dry & keep it a lot.
Who knows when America & its bustard allies would strike.

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