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California: A Microcosm For Impending Global Water Crisis

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Submitted by Darrell Delamaide via OilPrice.com,

The move by California to require mandatory cuts in water use for the first time in its history has highlighted the world’s looming water crisis and increased the focus on the links between sustainable water and sustainable energy.

“We need a new paradigm,” says Steven Solomon, author of Water: The Epic Struggle for Wealth, Power and Civilization. “The days when we could just go further into the mountains and find new sources of water are past. We need to make better use of the water we have.”

The good news is that this offers opportunities for investors in everything from IBM’s development of smart metering for water use to more mundane technology like devices to detect water leaks.

“Mexico City loses 40 to 50% of its water to leaks,” says Solomon. “American cities lose 20 to 30%. Finding those leaks alone could save a lot of water.”

The new “toolkit” for dealing with the water crisis already exists, Solomon says, with a number of techniques available for “adaptive systemic management” of water.

Wastewater treatment, for instance, can recycle water and save energy at the same time. “The sludge can be used as fuel to provide energy for the treatment,” Solomon says.

Individuals can do much of this themselves, recycling their own wastewater as “gray water” for things like watering the lawn that do not require drinking quality water.

In the wake of California’s announcement, the Ygrene Energy Fund pointed out that property assessed clean energy (PACE) financing can be used for water upgrades as well.

“Though PACE financing is widely recognized as a mechanism for funding residential solar power, Ygrene Works PACE financing also offers funding for rainwater cisterns, water saving sprinkler system, drip irrigation, artificial turf and low flow plumbing,” the fund said in a statement.

The financing can also help property owners pay for water-saving upgrades that ease the impact of regulations prohibiting water use.

The long-term drought cycle in California and the U.S. Far West has long been predicted, but the water crisis goes well beyond this regional phenomenon.

Tetra Tech said last week it has been awarded a five-year, $1 billion contract from the US Agency of International Development (AID) to collect data and develop innovative approaches to cope with pressure on water resources from climate change, population growth and energy demands in developing countries.

Schlumberger and Halliburton have been working to address the massive use of water in hydraulic fracturing for oil and gas by developing ways of recycling the water used in the process.

“Companies are in the forefront of dealing with this crisis,” says author Solomon.

But governments, too, from municipalities to international organizations like the World Bank, are focusing more attention on water issues.

New York state legislators are trying to get a $250 million grant program to assist municipalities in funding water infrastructure projects that they can leverage with further borrowing.

The World Bank has scheduled a special panel discussion on water sustainability in conjunction with the spring meeting of the IMF/World Bank in Washington this month that will bring together experts from California, Nevada, Brazil, Namibia and Morocco along with project managers from the bank.

This is the kind of response that is necessary, according to Solomon. Water sustainability will require big projects like restoring wetlands and forest, adapting reservoirs and distribution systems, and even renegotiating longstanding water rights contracts based on assumptions that are no longer valid.

“We have to look at the water ecosystem in a holistic way,” he says, “if we want to be sure there is enough water in the system.”

 

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Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:34 | 5966906 Headbanger
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Don't worry.

Cause the Big One will hit soon and water won't matter as much with a lot fewer people there.

Until the flood of the century hits and wipes out who ever is left.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:37 | 5966922 So Close
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California is a microcosm of cities built in the desert.     Geological timeframes are no respector of human, "long-term" records.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:45 | 5966962 Headbanger
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And then there's the brimstone.

And locust

And frogs

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:01 | 5967010 NoVa
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And SMOG

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:08 | 5967025 Stackers
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Lets try not building cities of 10 million in the middle of the desert

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:54 | 5967221 Mr. Frosty
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It's not so much "peak water", it's "peak easy water." Now we are going to have to switch to energy intensive water extraction or desalination. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:04 | 5967256 MalteseFalcon
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Oh f#ck peak water.

Has Al Gore got a piece of this action?

The problem only exists where cities are built on deserts; Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Israel and Phoenix.

No more growth for cities built on deserts.

Problem solved.

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:20 | 5967335 NihilistZero
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Because it can never be repeated enough in these forums...

Los Angeles and SoCal as well as the Bay Area do not have a water problem.  There is more than enough water for their residents and businesses even in dry years.

Now the Central Valley agriculture, that has a water problem.  Mostly artificially created to allow certain interests to takeover that industry...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:37 | 5967616 The_Dude
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Depends on who is declared to have priority to the water.  They pull their water from the Sierras like everyone else.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 15:02 | 5972121 Lore
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Let's be clear: the whole purpose of Agenda 21 is to make Big Government more "sustainable."  Every real or manufactured crisis that comes along has to be magnified and hijacked and complicated by brainwashed bureaucratic techno-paths to keep the public in a perpetual state of fear and helplessness, handicapping understanding, objectification and independent management of individual problems, enabling government to institute new SOURCES OF REVENUE and MEANS OF CONTROL. 

This is the sentence that should put everyone on edge:  "Governments...from municipalities to international organizations like the World Bank, are focusing more attention on water issues."  ENTER THE FASCISTAS AND DEBT TRAFFICKERS.  Be warned, municipalities:  If you have a problem, be it water or sewage or something else, deal with it quickly and responsibly and on your own terms, or THEY WILL GET IN, INTRODUCE NEW INEFFICIENCIES AND DYSFUNCTIONALITIES, AND EXPLOIT YOU IN THE MOST THOROUGH AND PROTRACTED FASHION.

200 Years Of Scorchitude: Professor Warns California To Brace For A "Mega-Drought" (ZH, 2014)

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:03 | 5967989 Endgamer
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BTFD

 

BUILD THE F*CKING DAM

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:15 | 5967050 rccalhoun
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just outlaw agriculture

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:26 | 5967107 A Nanny Moose
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There's plenty of water. 2/3rds of the planet is covered in it.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:23 | 5967568 Cynicles
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The Saudis figured that out a long time ago.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:11 | 5967526 Mr. Magoo
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Can we stop the bullshit of water shortage and droughts. This whole scenario is concocted by the globalists and geoengineering if they remove the high pressure system which has been in place since FUCK U SHIMA there would be no drought and no water shortage which another bullshit story like peak oil from dead dinosaurs. research "PRIMARY WATER" by Deborah tavares 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:46 | 5966966 Zirpedge
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California is a microcosm of statist morons looking for politicians who can promise to save them from themselves most convincingly.

What we need are scientists who can smash two parts of hydrogen with one part of oxygen and make water from molecules. Really doesn't seem that hard. 

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:53 | 5966989 greyghost
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dear oil"price".com see......Arizona....they don't waste a fucking drop.....of water not oil

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:19 | 5967068 inhibi
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That's not efficient at all. You would have to use a lot of power, which usually comes from water or uses water. Its a catch 22 if you will. 

 

And the problem isnt water leakage in cities ffs. It's industry (farming, fracking, manufacturing, etc). Get your facts right ZH. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:49 | 5966976 spinone
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California is a microcosm of unsustainable situations that can no longer be sustained

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:08 | 5967280 TBT or not TBT
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The wetbacks should be mandated to wring out their shirts into a bucket which would be passed around.  

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:29 | 5967386 Tarzan
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California is not in a desert, there is a desert in California.   

These droughts are cyclical and predictable. The crime is that it's not being prepared for and there are indications it's intentionally being exasperated under the guise of environmentalism for nefarious effect.  The politics of convincing the world water is scarce knows no bounds....

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 19:59 | 5968601 conscious being
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Sorry Tarzan. Not this time.

"These droughts are cyclical and predictable."

GeoEngineering has created this drought. Look at the NOAA heat maps in this Dan Wigington presentation from last July in Reading, CA. Impossible they could be a natural occurence. I don't agree with Dan's conclusion that this is all about a misguided attempt to mitigate AGW. But, it is hard to dispute his observations pointing to government / deep state engineered drought for most of the Westerm United States. Don't believe me? Watch the presentation. Comments?

Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California Dane Wigington

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 01:29 | 5969710 MEAN BUSINESS
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My comment: sovereign or not, "geoengineering" unilaterally undertaken, is REALLY frowned upon internationally (see:UNFCCC CMP 11), so if "chemtrails" was a good theory, then there would be some solid data to gather, which is obviously easy to gather if one just looks up /s but if there was a 'chemtrails will kill us all' problem, or something less, then the Implied 'problem' would be called into question in a very public way. Not youtune<sic> videos.

Dan's got a theory. Where's Dan's data?

: )

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 03:38 | 5969807 MEAN BUSINESS
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crickets, -1 . tic tic ticetz

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 07:06 | 5969810 conscious being
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Thanks for taking the time to comment, Mean Business, but that's a very trollish response. If you watched the presentation, you would see, for example, the impossibly unnatural NOAA, USA, national heat maps which I mentioned in my original post. He puts up maybe 10 such slides in his presentation. NOAA is part of the US federal government. The heat maps constitute data and lots of it.

Did you watch any of his presentation before jumping to your conclusion that he presents no data?

Do yourself and the world a favor and go back and watch the video.

Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California

He puts up the first of these maps at 9:57. Its only a 30 minute talk, but if you are pressed for time, you can skip to 9:57 to see what I'm talking about.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 08:23 | 5970088 MEAN BUSINESS
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trollish, I knOw, but here's a NASA vid for you. It's one minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cBqY1sszY

These are NOT your Dad's computer models. Not Dan's interpretations (which aren't defacto incorrect)

Remember it's not solely the data, it's the interpretations of the patterns in the data. But first you need some data. Then you need some confidence that THE DATA IS BEING, conscious being, interpreted somewhere even close to correctly. Dan's da man? LULZ Yeah it's CHEMTRAILS!!!, couldn't be anything else, Dan's TOTALLY convinced.

No,in fact, I didn't. I'll wait for some confidence that the Cali problem has some direct relation to the data. 

MEANwhile, there are seven billion other people on the planet to srcutinize. Hay! how about that typhoon Maysak?

http://www.kurzweilai.net/typhoon-maysaks-strongest-winds-tightly-wound

Impossibly unnatural? Says who?

Glad to see you didn't go down the "manipulated data" road though. lol How do you regard AR5 then?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 09:36 | 5970318 MEAN BUSINESS
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Ask that "skyception" bullshit artist, I get impatient and cranked in the wee hours. No apology.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 18:16 | 5968318 Milestones
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My reant for the past 5 years--POPULUTION. The unfortunate solution I'm afraid is already on it's way; and I am pissed for what I and you have done to all our grandchildren.

What fuckin idiots the species have proven to be.       Milestones

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 09:24 | 5970280 MEAN BUSINESS
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The unfortunate solution you're afraid of is that we do, and must, operate the death controls. The *good* news is that there is a better way of doing that, but since we don't really like to talk about that, I wouldn't hold your breath. RvW, B.A.U. Crazy, when we had that speech thingie goin' too : ( looks like it's back to giving helpful grunts to each other....

ALL roads lead to Paris.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 15:09 | 5972219 Lore
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Lead by example.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:41 | 5966945 SethDealer
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I live in Houston and have seen city water leaks that go on for 6 months sometimes. meantime I have a water saver toilet that uses 50% less water but you have to flush it twice. same thing wiht my shower, uses 50% less but you shower twice as long

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:19 | 5967333 americanreality
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Try The Diplomat, by Eljer/American Standard.  1.6 gpf and I have yet to need a second flush.  And I don't eat well, if you know what I'm saying. 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:12 | 5967531 fastrakn1
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"1.6 gpf and I have yet to need a second flush. And I don't eat well, if you know what I'm saying."

 

TMI AR, TMI {sarc}

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:33 | 5967150 piceridu
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A giant money grab...Y2K? The problem can be solved with little money at the local level. Not sure, but can you print water...fractional reserve water?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:43 | 5967189 doctor10
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Yes-and of course we need a huge brand spanking new federal Dept of Water Security to save us all from random acts of God combined with the usual propensity for bureaucratic stupidity.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:07 | 5967724 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Dept. of Water Security

Effective immediately; any and all water guns, squirt guns and 3D printers will be regulated and licensed to ensure that not a drop of water is projected without the full consent of the DWS.

Citizens are asked to turn in their water projecting and discharging devices immediately and receive a coupon to the new Air park.

That is all.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:46 | 5967916 chilli sauce
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I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... http://goo.gl/9YqZBb

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 20:27 | 5968765 fzrkid
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I call bullshit on water shortage..

 

There are vast amounts of untouched clean drinking water. Water is a multi billion dollar commodity for these municipalities since EVERYONE NEEDS water...

 

Sesalination, just another scheme that makes a group of connected people rich... You only need to sell water at $0.0001 per gallon to make billions when many billions of gallons are being used per day...

 

Water shortage is sorta like how Enron was manipulating the energy market!!!

 

 

Granted there are areas of drought, so I am not denying there are shortages, but I dont agree with the cause.. Though building in the desert is not the smartest thing the developers have done..

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:34 | 5966910 Creepy A. Cracker
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If you don't store the water (dams/lakes) you don't have enough when the rivers are low.  Good job, California politicians.

Things always work so incredibly well when politicians are in charge of them.  Oh... and now we have the politicians in charge of our health care.  Third world health care here we come!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:28 | 5967120 A Nanny Moose
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Dams are already everywhere. Problem is, dams are just another government endeavor.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:40 | 5967426 Tarzan
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Not true in the areas of California that are hardest hit.  They drain more then needed in these areas, to build up reserves for these predictable cyclical droughts, right out the bay "to save the brackish water fish".

It's just another rouse to bilk us with the water is scarce hobgoblin.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:33 | 5966916 pods
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Limited amount of water versus a system which requires exponential growth?

Good luck in trying to solve that riddle.

Kill off their money system, all else will fall into place, including sustainability.

pods

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:45 | 5966964 mtl4
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Politicians know nothing of sustainability........same thing as bacteria growth in a petri dish, both crash when they run out of resources.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:33 | 5966918 Cat Sniper
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The only way for developed Counries to have water availability problems is if the State manufactures a crisis or through incompetent resource management.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:18 | 5967330 TBT or not TBT
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In the American west the problem has been mispricing of water, which of course is caused by government.  Gov Moonbeam continues and doubles down on the stupid by using fines and mandates rather than PRICES to create incentives for farmers to install far more water efficient methods.  With the voters California has, this will get even more stupid each year, while we double down on pharaonic medium speed trains to nowhere and throwing water down river for the sake of fucking bait fish and useless doomed ancient salmon runs.  

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5966924 heisenberg991
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I'm doing my part by mailing water to California.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:53 | 5966988 Seek_Truth
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Make sure you dehydrate it first.

Because postage.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:55 | 5966998 Creepy A. Cracker
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Drive over the border to pee there, adding water to their dehydrated system.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5966925 Professorlocknload
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Plenty of water,,,just all in the wrong place.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5966926 semperfi
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The UN wants to solve problem like these via "depopulation"

and just think - our tax dollars go to support these platforms

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5966927 _SILENCER
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Whole goddamn planet is covered in water and CA never, ever built a sesalination plant. There's plenty of money for illegal aliens and abortions, anti-gun nonsense and trophies for kids ruined by adderall, geo engineering programs to poison us from the sky and affect the gulfstream which perpetuates drought, but zero for the future survival of the species.

 

Dumb fucks.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:37 | 5966932 semperfi
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animals are smarter than humans

they migrate from places with no water to places with water

humans migrate from places with water to places with no water

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:29 | 5967133 bluskyes
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Animals are smarter, because they don't get into debt.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:51 | 5967459 Tarzan
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That's why there are no animals in California, right?

The state is covered and surrounded by water, and if the water does run out in an area, as it has for eons, people like animals will migrate.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:23 | 5967093 LawsofPhysics
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Actually they have built several...

...making them profitable was a big FAIL.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:54 | 5967471 Tarzan
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Since when did a Government function need to be profitable?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:21 | 5968053 Kirk2NCC1701
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After all these years of ZH, I still can't believe that people are still so (fucking) naive, when it comes to the control & manipulation of things that TRULY matter. (It ain't gold).

The Holy Trinity are 3 LIQUID ASSETS, through which you control the entire planet:

1. Liquidity of fiat/elastic currencies (Money)
2. Oil/Petroleum (Hydrocarbon energy)
3. Water of Life(for farming, industry, drinking)

All other assets, power and influence can be derived via the control of these -- and it affects ALL, be they rich or poor.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:36 | 5966928 sessinpo
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Global water crisis, global warming, peak oil, etc....

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:39 | 5966935 Alananda
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Yes, once the geoengineers "dry out" California and the American southwest, the chemclouding planes can move on to still damp territory.  Funny, isn't it, how NOW we can turn ourattention to the consequences of this battle front in the War Against Humanity and never once mention the most obvious cause....

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:41 | 5966947 pods
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Retard.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:00 | 5967007 clymer
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you're the retard, look up.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:13 | 5967042 pods
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I do look up, and often. And I cannot tell whether these events are "geo-engineered" or if they happen to be planes flying in the normal travel routes as always.

So by not knowing this, it precludes me from jumping to the conclusion that these events are planned, geo-engineered events or just atmospheric phenomena that happen to occur in normal travel routes when different atmospheric conditions cause contrails to persist.

IF these are geoengineered events, then some proof other than "look up" is required for me to accept this as fact.

pods

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:38 | 5967170 Implied Violins
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I have read that portions of the atmosphere may be collapsing, causing water vapor to freeze and spread more readily than before. I don't discount that (or even that some of the trails may be caused by an increase in space debris - there are some eye-opening charts showing a large increase in fireball activity lately).

What I do notice, however, is that on my way to work I can often see a lot of jet traffic going over the Sierras, which is a major air transport route for commercial airlines - and the contrails I see there are very short and do not last long. However, many jets doing crossing patterns overhead (and this is especially noticeable in the northern part of the state) leave *very* long contrails that spread out and eventually cover the entire sky. There is a distinct difference, sometimes noticeable simultaneously.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:01 | 5967246 Alananda
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PODS, whether or not you believe the "direness" imputed to these phenomena, you can peruse much valid material gathered over many years by Rosiland Peterson (http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/) and a more recent entry into the ranks of valiant warriors, Dane Wigington (www.geoengineeringwatch.org).  If your lyin' eyes and such documentary evidence fails to persuade your acute sense of objectivity, then GOD bless, drink up.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:24 | 5967351 TeamDepends
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We just came up with a hypothesis as to why otherwise intelligent people can not see the chemtrails which are RIGHT THERE in the sky: They know the water (flouride, other pollutants) and food (GMOs, pesticides, etc.) are poisoned. To admit the air is also tainted is too much, it feels like checkmate.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:55 | 5967475 pods
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Okay, we have historical evidence that scientists and engineers can, locally, manipulate the weather in terms of precipitation.  Cloud seeding with AgI has been known for some time.

My issue is that everytime someone looks up and sees a persistent contrail, it is automatically "chemtrails," which would be on a scale that every single aircraft in the sky would have to be used for this to be seen on the scale that it is currently being seen.

China came out and said they could do that (cloud seeding), and did do that for the olympics IIRC.  But this was in ONE area, for a small period of time.

The problem comes with extrapolating these miniscule experiments into a full fledged operation spanning the continental US or even the world.

It is laughable to think that the US could undertake such an effort.  A couple dozen to a hundred planes?  Possibly.  I would accept that.  But not for even a large part of the continental US.  The conditions are just not correct for it.

And most of the available information pertaining to cloud seeding deals with super cooled CLOUDS and large mountain ranges, not open blue sky.  The whole idea of cloud seeding is to take a super cooled cloud and cause precipitation by manipulating the atmosphere inside the cloud.  But for this to happen the conditions have to be right within the selected cloud.

Most of the efforts and research in this technique is localized to large mountain ranges where conditions (updrafts) persist to even make this possible.

I do not dismiss mass spraying out of blind ignorance.

pods

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:33 | 5967594 Alananda
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I nominate PODS "troll of the year" for chemtrails!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:39 | 5967621 pods
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You can also put me down for Fukushima is an ELE troll and Ebola will kill us all troll as well while you are at it.

pods

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:08 | 5967726 Implied Violins
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Oooh, don't get me started on Ebola...I got my Master's working on anthrax - I know those people...

- IV, a Pods troll

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 00:13 | 5969622 MEAN BUSINESS
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funny, that's the sort of violence The Joker promised me back on the electric cars thread. What's with you guys? 

-IV, a foolish deranged individual.

 

Ahhh, so maybe you're my mystery downvoter from last weekend cause data knows you never replied. Yep, that would fit the pattern. Could be, very little data, I don't give one fuKUjerk


Wed, 04/08/2015 - 07:45 | 5969968 conscious being
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pods, I have a lot of respect for you from reading your posts over the years, but you are being a dick about this.

From a post of yours up thread - It is laughable to think that the US could undertake such an effort. A couple dozen to a hundred planes? Possibly. I would accept that. But not for even a large part of the continental US. The conditions are just not correct for it. Rerouting the Jet Stream seems to me to be the key issue. How many planes does that take? When was the last time you were in NorCal? The sky there and offshore is regularly painted.

Go to youtube and search for "dan wigington california drought". He's a sharp, passionate guy giving a 30 minute presentation that to me is pretty convincing that the moisture laden Jet Stream, coming off the Pacific is being diverted north into Alaska. As a consequence, the western states get drought and the eastern states get the 'Polar Vortex' as the diverted Jet Stream rebounds.

I don't agree with his conclusion as to why this is being done. He says its a misguided attempt to mitigate AGW. For one thing, diverting warm air into the Artic releases frozen methane, (ZH had an article on Artic methane eruptions not too long ago.) Whatever the reason, in a manner several orders of magnitude worse than Enron, California is being assassinated.

Maybe you are in some place like Ohio or Wisconsin where overt manipulations are not being so obviously done? But if there is evidence that goverment geoengineering is being done to destroy a large part of the country, its pretty dam sad when someone, even like you will just dismisses it out of hand.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 07:54 | 5970013 MEAN BUSINESS
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For all intents and purposes, geoengineering on it's true scale, done unilaterally, is illegal under international law.

If it was being done, there would be data coming from international sources, not fuckin' youtunes.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 08:18 | 5970076 conscious being
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Illegal under international law?? OK, now you are an f'n joke. Where have you been? Nobody cares about "International Law" anymore. I know your next post is going to be about tin-foil hats.

pods [not a troll], was implying that none of this geoengineering was possible. So what is this? One of several easily located DoD papers?

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 http://fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

With topics such as
- Why Would We Want to Mess with the Weather?
- Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations
etc.

pods, if you are around, check it out and share what you think. Thanks.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 08:37 | 5970129 MEAN BUSINESS
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well, nobody aside from Sergei Lavrov it would seem, but then you'd be wrong.

Wakey wakey conscious being, Paris is ALL about international law.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 08:39 | 5970133 pods
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I've looked around that document before.  I do not doubt the authenticity of it either.

My gripe is that as soon as some negative weather/climate variable comes to pass it immediately is taken as being done on purpose, by "them," against us.

The paper was postulating that this might be possible.  It was penned in 1996.  I have gone through my whole life waiting for flying cars as well, that was talked about in the 50's. (I'm not that old but watched the old commercials.)

Even in this paper, it spoke about binding UN agreements about this very topic, albeit in terms of international relations. So domestic use might be permitted.

But, again, to what end?  Depopulation?  How is that going to help keep their system afloat?  Their system requires exponential growth to function, and removing "consumers" from this makes things worse.  Agenda 21, which I am familiar, is not going to be implemented if there is an all out collapse.

I would be more apt to accept this was purposefully being done if in the midst of a drought, an onslaught of monsoon rains were to deluge the areas affected, baffling the local meteorologists.
But the whole nation?  All the time?  Unless it is secretly being added to jet fuel for dispersion while normal commercial flights are flying it is impossible.

I do not dismiss this angle.  If an additive was being secretly added to commercial stockpiles of jet fuel THEN this would be possible.

But I have also seen persistent contrails in old photos, from WWII.  

The do seem to be more prevalent today though. My guess would be that jet technology has improved so the exhaust gas profile might be more conducive for these contrails to persist.

pods 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 09:45 | 5970367 MEAN BUSINESS
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What else is more prevalent these days? Number of aircraft would be my first guess, quickly followed by 400 ppm CO2, maybe some tiny bit more nitrous oxide in dat der central valley, a few more millions of humans, deformation of the jet stream maybe? etc etc.

"it IS different this time"

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 10:30 | 5970582 MEAN BUSINESS
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The Delphi driverless car just did 3,500 miles across the US. Hang in there pods ; )

RUSH - Red Barchetta - 1981

"he said it used to be a farm before the motor LAW" - based on an early '70s article in Car & Driver called A Nice Morning Drive (Richard Foster???)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjjNvjURS-s

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:09 | 5967478 Implied Violins
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Check this out - they are even adding chemtrails to old movies, to 'normalize' it:

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/why-are-chemtrails-being-digitally-added-...

And here's the You-Tube video of a whistleblower who worked in the air force:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA

And here's a magazine full of articles where they talk about what they are *theoretically* going to do, from phys.org:

http://phys.org/news/2014-12-atmospheric-particles-brighten-cold-clouds....

- as if they haven't *already* been doing this shit...but there it is, the first solid public admission that something is going down.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:32 | 5967591 TeamDepends
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Don't baffle them with proof, they might call you a retard or nut-job.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:50 | 5967668 Creepy A. Cracker
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Or a retarded nut-job :)

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:14 | 5967760 Implied Violins
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Well, if they keep denying reality I'll start calling them 'politicians.'

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 18:10 | 5968246 benb
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Adding Chemtrails to the old movies is another step to acclimatize / zombie-ize the public.  One of the screen choices for my cellphone is a sky with Chemtrails. Weather control, crop sabotage, poisoning of the soil, air, and groundwater, dispersal of: mass sterilants; the tranquilizing agent lithium are all facets of this program. The involuntary ingestion of vaccines through aerial spraying has already or is about to begin. I've said it before - when half the adult population doesn't even know what the sky is supposed to look like we're in deep trouble.

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/11/27/chemtrails-not-just-for-weath...

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 02:55 | 5969779 MEAN BUSINESS
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Half the adult population of the world is ~4B. What data are you showing them? Are you stooooopid? You're not. Nobody cares BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO DATA. freak

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 03:33 | 5969804 benb
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How's the weather in Tel Eviv?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 03:43 | 5969809 MEAN BUSINESS
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Ask Alex Lifeson, my 'round the corner neighbour. He travels more than I do. LULZ

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 04:06 | 5969816 MEAN BUSINESS
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or you could ask Garyyyyyyy. da jew and Alex &

Neil will say SYTFU. YOU!

purdy quik UWingNut. Wha dUya NO?

Where's the data??

neil peart hangs in Cali these days.. Ask him. Not MEAN.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 16:47 | 5972660 conscious being
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Obvious thread destroying troll tactics. Hey pods, if you are still around, the persistent appearance and style of Mean Business means that somebody doesn't want this talked about.

As to why California is being destroyed, I agree, that is a good question. I could speculate. Like the Western states harbor and had the ability to support too many self-sufficient, isolated, free individuals? As in Agenda 21? Dan Wigington lives off grid somewhere in the former wilderness near Lake Shasta. Here's an idea, what if there really is no global warming? What if AGW is a meme like the GWOT who's primary purpose is to herd and control the sheeple? and they have to make it look real? Antarctic sea ice is growing. Sun spot activity is diminishing. Never forget, they wasted 3,000 Americans in broad daylight, on live tv on Sept. 11. So, they are capable of commiting some horrendus crimes.

Many thanks to benb, implied violins, team depends, coast, bankonzhonguo [who sums it up pretty well down thread]. Let's stay on this because ... what else can we do?

 

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 01:24 | 5974287 MEAN BUSINESS
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Wasn't that mission accomplished when they used HAARP!!! to create Superstorm Sandy? Clever to do that just before the election too. Those evil bastards!

golly, I don't know, read AR5? Here they are:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

and if you scroll down to 'AR5 media portal' and click you can watch the press releases of each Working Group(WG)

I knOw, pretty fringe stuff...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:44 | 5966957 Toolshed
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Dear me, yet another "chem trail" nut job.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 18:13 | 5968304 benb
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I've said it before - when half the adult population doesn't even know what the sky is supposed to look like we're in deep trouble.

Turn off your TV for CS!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 02:58 | 5969782 MEAN BUSINESS
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kNOw! for CS!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:09 | 5967030 Implied Violins
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Ignore these motherfucking retards. I know something is going down, I have proof that lots of aluminum is coming from somewhere and getting into the Sacramento river delta, and the second I can come forth with my data without fear of getting fired - or going to jail - I will.

You bastards who keep denying this is going down are going to look pretty fucking foolish in a year or two when all this shit is proven true. I just hope we all live long enough to see it happen.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:06 | 5967514 claytonmoore50
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Flame on!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:37 | 5967856 MEAN BUSINESS
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You are worried "chemtrails" are going to kill us all, so much so that last week you said you'd blow the planes out of the sky if you had the tools, and you have THE data to PROVE TRUE, but you're afraid of getting fired from your job? 

I strongly recommend you seek professional help.

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 18:57 | 5968450 Implied Violins
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A, you are putting words in my mouth; B, angry raging sarcastic comments with no basis in truth or chance in hell of ever actually happening is a hallmark of ZH posters (and good therapy) and C, my data is not proof but solid evidence that something is poisoning our water and our fish, and I would probably not only be fired but put in jail if I posted that data because I work for a public agency that uses that data in court cases.

And D, I *AM* seeking professional help - of the lawyer and scientific kind - so that I can find some way to get what I know out to the public, so if anyone can/is willing to help, I might be interested...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 21:36 | 5969131 MEAN BUSINESS
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Implied Vilolins said:

"Give me a BUK and a cache of Stinger missiles and I'll "fix" this problem myself.


I'm still waiting for one of those planes to have an 'incident' that reveals all..."

5949901

I wasn't being sarcastic, you should really talk to someone. Or at least stop shooting your mouth off here. You're gonna get fired at this rate. Sacremento, water, public agency, data, etc...

Good luck. Would be refreshing to see some real data instead of LOOK UP & BELIEVE!!!

But I won't be holding my breath.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:39 | 5966936 Prober
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The problem is the absurd excess of humans, not a shortage of water.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:52 | 5966986 Rastech
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@ Prober

 

What "absurd" excess of humans? Humanity's real footprint on this World is very small (our agriculture is only about 2.4% of the surface, and everything else - cities, towns, villages, roads, etc - is only 0.04% at most, so a total of under 2.5%). You been swallowing the Eugenics anti Evolutionary anti-human Kool-Aid again?

 

Or are you back to swigging the toilet cleaner?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:09 | 5967029 Prober
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If CA had 5M humans instead of 40M humans, then the drought would be just an inconvenience.

Get your head out of your religious ideological ass and try to use your brain to think rationally instead of just regurgitate church dogma.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:29 | 5967126 Rastech
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Hey it ain't me that's anti Life, anti Evolution, and anti-human.

 

That'd be you.

 

I don't do 'religious ideology' or 'church' or 'mosque' either. Though I do quite like this sort of stuff:

"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words.

Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts."

"Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances."

"Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others. This way will only lead to delusion."

"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good."

"As a single drop of water fills a bucket, so do small deeds of evil; as a single drop of water fills a bucket, so do small deeds of good."

~ The Buddha

 

Though I suppose it helps if you have a bucket, and can fill it to within a drop of being full.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:31 | 5967141 Creepy A. Cracker
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Your response is to shriek about "church dogma" and "religious ideology?"  You are embarrassing yourself attempting to mock (???) a rational post.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:23 | 5967348 NihilistZero
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If CA had 5M humans instead of 40M humans, then the drought would be just an inconvenience.

Bull.  Fucking.  Shit.  California would still be feeding the nation and the water problem would still exist.  Of course new water ways from Oregon could hydrate Central CA agriculture.  But that won't happen until the interests who created the crisis can profit from it.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:34 | 5967398 Mr. Bystander
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Prober - I completely agree with you on the idea of overpopulation. The rest of these morons need to wake up and realize our "footprint" is actually much bigger if you account for all resource consumption of our species. I'd hate for these Californians to make a mass migration East when their water runs out. Don't need a bunch of worthless, entitled, whiney, plastic assholes in my backyard wasting my water. Let them perish. I'd expect them to think about as much of me as I do of them anyways.

To all those who think I am insensitive, check your opinion at the door. 9/10 of you probably believe in evolution anyways. Newsflash, you can't have evolution (survival of the FITTEST) and feed the entire planet. Ever stop to think that the earth might be trying to do what we can't? Cleanse the "footprint" of some unnecessary people.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 15:53 | 5967657 Creepy A. Cracker
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"Cleanse the "footprint" of some unnecessary people."

Please lead the way with your recommendation.  Some will miss you.  But at least people will know that you terminated your "footprint" for a greater cause...

Or is it other, not-as-special-as-you, human beings who's "footprints" should be terminated?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:25 | 5967355 TBT or not TBT
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Hey Prober, you can check out any time you like, if you think there are too many humans.  Oh wait, maybe you had some particular humans in mind who are more "excess" than others.    

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:41 | 5966943 HopefulCynical
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This is what happens when you build cities in the desert.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:44 | 5966958 Miffed Microbio...
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I don't think the average person gets it here yet. I was eating lunch and watched a guy spray down his dirt racing motorcycle for 20 minutes at a car wash. I live on a dirt road and haven't washed my car in 6 months. I guess he didn't want to get his McMansion driveway muddy.

Miffed

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:53 | 5966991 pods
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I haven't washed my car in about that long as well.

Thanks Miffed for hooking me up with an excuse.

;)

pods

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:11 | 5967028 Rastech
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@ Miffed whatever

 

So you don't 'think' and you don't 'get it'.

 

The guy was washing down his motorbike at a car wash, where the water is recycled . . . . . . 

 

Haven't you got anything better to do with such limited 'brain power'?

 

Anybody got a spare Homer Simpson "Doh!" lying around?

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:45 | 5966963 Rastech
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Well Israel got water desalination down to under $0.43c per cubic metre (that's 1,000 litres), and for perspective, that's significantly cheaper than the cost of handling 'free' water on the books of water Companies in the UK.

 

That price is set to fall dramatically with new perforene desalination membranes from Lockheed Martin (should be coming into production around now).

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a12622/lockheeds-better-f...

 

If California won't do it as a State, set up private watermakers for communities. If yachtsmen can already afford to fit watermakers to their yachts, sidestep the utilities and get water for cheaper for yourself and your neighbours. Screw the State.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:28 | 5967121 semperfi
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problem with calif desal is the cesium & soon-to-be plutonium from fukushima  - good luck drinking that

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:29 | 5967384 TBT or not TBT
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Retarded.  Radioactive salts filter out like the rest of the salts in the sea water.  But thanks for playing.  

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 00:10 | 5969617 StychoKiller
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It's my understanding that Tritium is radioactive, not healthy to drink in mass quantities, and runs around disguised as an ordinary water molecule.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:16 | 5966982 Atomizer
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NSFW

 

White Bits

 

Enjoy, your can use this on any current banking crisis topic.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:52 | 5966985 Shitgum Suicide
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So the author is advocating for more government subsidized environmental projects and Boondoggles? Smart water meters and sprinklers? Publicly Acceptable Clean Energy (PACE)?

The problem isn't water per se as it is allowing the population of you area grow past what you know you can handle. California DMV reported over 500k applications for immigrant drivers licenses in just the first 3 months of 2015.

Low snowpack is an issue but it's been like that before and we did fine. Government policies and inaction have caused this drought to the extent that what we do have is being diverted to save some "endangered species" while shutting off water to residents and farmers as well as selling it to people who live in a dessert.

It's raining here now and we had decent rain this winter. It's a water shortage in that government wants it that way to clamp down on your activity.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:21 | 5967078 coast
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Actually, snow pack is not low, its gone...And its only April.  The light rain you are getting now will just soak up in the dry ground. Underground water is depleted.  Reservoirs are at 50% and dropping every day, and by August, Lake Oroville will be a pond.

 It is geo-engineering to get people out of rural areas, and control water flow/usage for urban areas...This was all written in Agenda 21.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 22:46 | 5969373 MEAN BUSINESS
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You may be right about the first statement but you are definitely wrong about about the second. Agenda 21 is sooooo 20th Century. Nope, It's Google.  well big data  and Google. Young people just wanna stay in the small town soooooo bad. Damn Google!!!

The Tragically Hip - Small Town Bringdown - 1987

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMFOu_4mfE


Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:53 | 5966990 thecrud
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Funny how of the first manners I was taught waste not want not.

Did you check your lawn timer after the last power outage.

Your drips have been running 20 hours a day for 5 years now.

Reclaimed water should be piped to every lawn water system car, wash, water fountain, Make a new color of PVC for it bright red would be good.

If California had acted instead of waiting until it has to react you like they did in the old days when they built the water system .

No one was saying millions of people are never moving to California why are you doing that no they fucking planned ahead.

The shit faux news stops politicians from doing today.

We better get our shit together and in a big fucking hurry shit happens fast when no one is driving. America can get away forest gumping it for only so long.

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:55 | 5966996 Troy Ounce
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Financialize water and problems are over.

 

Water "scarcity" is a bankers scam.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 12:55 | 5966997 Miss Expectations
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California's going to have a rainy summer, starting now:

http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-april-4-2015

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:56 | 5967480 Bankster Kibble
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That's what I'm afraid of.  The rainfall patterns are shifting wildly.  For the past 3 or 4 years we have had rain in the summer, which in the past was almost unheard of.  In the Central Valley of California we normally have 2 seasons: dry and wet.  Now, who knows?  City folks can live with a little uncertainty as long as the reservoirs have water, but farmers have a problem.

BTW, a couple of days after Gov Brown announced mandatory 25pct cuts, we got rain.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:06 | 5967020 My Days Are Get...
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California to the world:

 

All Apple products live without water - why can't you.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:10 | 5967031 bankonzhongguo
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The whole water crisis is bullshit.

The whole Agenda 21, CA AB32, carbon-credit regime and "epic drought" are all about creating a crisis and then applying "soft law" (reflexive law) to compel local institutions to give up their claims on resources for some larger - fewer controllers - regulatory system.

Its a land/water grab in CA right now.

By example, Jerry Brown creates this 25% emergency reduction for residential consumers, but does not abate big agribusiness, etc. Then they "tell" local water districts to abide - set a "new normal."  Later they will claim the water districts are not doing enough and begin to consolidate all these local systems into a new regime to control "a scarce resource."

This is all about creating scarcity and then charging more for it.

In a few years the State will want you to pre-pay for your monthly water ration and then charge $10 for every gallon thereafter.

Heck. Some California communities don't even have water meters, let alone the farms that take so much water, convert it to almonds at a gallon per almond (shit you not) and ship it to China.

Are there water challenges across the world?  Sure. Daming rivers in China, India and Turkey are devastating some peoples.

Can you point a solar concentrator at ocean water to boil it for cheap, vaporize it, desalinate it and then use that for the coastal cities. I bet Google and Elon Musk to hire 20 people and in a year have a working prototype to be installed across every coastal city in the World.

Will "they" do that? Nope.  Because there is money in continuing the hysterical eco-crisis.

All this BS is no different that a bunch of Aztec priests cutting the hearts out of human sacrifices in order to bring the Sun back from an scheduled eclipse. The action at the top of the pyramid is all a knee-slappin' good time. Everyone else is running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Really shows the manifest contempt elites have for the rest of humanity.

Such is the way of the world.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:21 | 5967084 I Write Code
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You can buy cheap water at the market for $1/gallon, so I hope no water district ever charges more than that!  But if a typical household uses like 30 gallons/person/day, not counting landscaping, even $1/gallon is way too high.

What does it cost for Warren Buffet to ship water in by rail?  Less than $1/gallon retail including bottles.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:24 | 5967353 NihilistZero
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@bankonzhongguo

+1000 Brother!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 16:54 | 5972737 conscious being
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+ another 1,000. If someone is too lazy, drugged, distracted or whatever to exert their rights, there are plenty of greedy pigs to take what you got, by stealth or otherwise.

Just keeping your head down and playing along is not going to work. Being a good ball licker is not a viable survival strategy.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:18 | 5967047 Government need...
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The Cali fruits and nuts who love Gestapo-y .gov should rejoice over the water 'shortage'.  This is the 'crisis' that gets them the 'justification' for centrally planning/monitoring every drop that gets pumped into every household.  They can quota everything.  Dont like .gov?  No water for you.  Illegal immigrant?  Unlimited free water.  Good voting record?  We'll look the other way if you take some extra water.  And don't forget the spending projects this 'crisis' can justify.  If CA had a hard-on for high speed rail, just think what those progbots can do with desalination. . . Gonna have to raze some taxes.  

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:15 | 5967048 Rootin' for Putin
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Peak Water!

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:16 | 5967053 I Write Code
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I'm using the output of the new Carlsbad desalination plant as a measure, 1 Carlsbad = 100 acre/feet/day, roughly a 300-foot cube.

Take a look at the LA River.  When it rains (if it rains), the LA River just dumps into the harbor.  It's roughly 30 miles long, call it a hundred yards wide = 300 feet, and say fifty feet deep.  So one river-full is about 75 Carlsbads, and let's say a couple of rainy days dumps three riversfull (water flows about 5mph, ...).  Let's round up, one rainstorm equals one Carlsbad-year dumped in the harbor.  And in a typical year you get several such storms.  Now, one Carlsbad is just 7% of San Diego's water needs, so it's probably about 1% of Los Angeles' total needs.  So the LA River is dumping on the order of 5% of LA's water needs every year.

This isn't entirely news, they've been trying to put some more of the LA River (and San Gabriel River, and others like the remnant Ballona Creek that used to *be* the LA River until it was redirected) into spreading basins, they've ripped up the concrete liner for the upper reaches of the river, such as it is, to help feed the water table.

I'm just saying, if people would get serious about stuff, we could do better than "take shorter showers".

I'm still not ready for toilet-to-tap, but it's great for grey water for golf courses and such.  The science probably says it's ready to drink, but ... eww.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:37 | 5967863 Rootin' for Putin
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If we combine the greywater idea and shorter showers we come up with...
<Kent Brockman voice>
From now on, we'll all be taking golden showers

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:17 | 5967057 Spungo
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Fear not. Water distillation to get the salt out is actually quite easy if you're in a very sunny area like California. The only concern is that California has too many people living there.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:19 | 5967067 Rastech
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@ Spungo

 

No infrastructure can cope with so many illegals.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:55 | 5967225 graftvshost
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With 39 million people, that's a big fucking concern...

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:33 | 5967059 Rastech
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The only way to stop this crap is to stop voting for Sociopaths and Psychopaths, and stop employing them in positions of responsibility.

Bring in compulsory tests to filter them out.

 

Repeat the tests (with different tests from random selections)  every 12 months to filter out those that slip through or fiddle their way through.

 

Then see what happens to the World.

 

Get it introduced as basic legislation, which will be easy, because only Sociopaths and Psychopaths will vote against it, and they don't like revealing themselves by making it freaking obvious who they are.

 

eta: seems like a very worried Psychopath gave me a down vote. :p

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:37 | 5967405 TBT or not TBT
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Let californians get what they've voted for, good and hard.   

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 16:04 | 5967709 HopefulCynical
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Compulsory tests for pathological personalities in positions of power is an excellent idea. Good luck getting it on any ballot, anywhere. The government, media and bidness world are run by pathological personalities, and they will wage a scorched-earth campaign against any such thing.

It's a great idea, though.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:25 | 5967065 Die Weiße Rose
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more Fracking please !!!

Frackman The Movie | OFFICIAL TRAILER

https://youtu.be/-ifUjjP3aL4

60 Minutes Australia - Fracking - The Coal Seam Gas Land Grab

*** Wake Up World Viewer Special - Fracking is destroying our water and soil.***

https://youtu.be/PELxZ3K2o0c

posted by WR;)

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:07 | 5968009 unicorn
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great second link! the girl, that says:

"they come to your house and would move it, if there would be gas under it".

australia, right? not 3.world country?

.

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:20 | 5967075 RevIdahoSpud3
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Water lost in Mexico City 40-50% and American cities 20-30%? Water is not lost. It is still there. It has now become ground water and is part of the aquifer. New York State is seeking a 250 milliion grant? Grant monies for U S muinicipal interests  are few and far between. Billions for war,armaments, conquest and spreading freedom and democracy unlimited as well as milliions for Obama vacations? Everything is just priorities with those affecting the little people being the lowest. Water, is going to be very expensive and this is the beginning of the newest shakedown, the air we breathe and the water we drink.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:23 | 5967092 Sandmann
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California need hydroponic orange groves or simply Brazilian oranges.......time to open the borders and let Brasil sell oranges and peanuts and Americans can send Hispanics back home

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:09 | 5968018 unicorn
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jippie, and everybody becomes vegetarian (cause who will grow the soya)

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:25 | 5967104 dscott8186
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<i>This is the kind of response that is necessary, according to Solomon. Water sustainability will require big projects like restoring wetlands and forest, adapting reservoirs and distribution systems, and even renegotiating longstanding water rights contracts based on assumptions that are no longer valid.</i>

That's right, never let a crisis go to waste.  The answer as usual is big government programs (jobs program for liberal bureaucrats) and restricting private property rights.  

The answer can't be a market based solution because liberals don't get credit for making the situation worse.  

By all means, let's ignore the market signal of pricing based on availability because people packing their bags and leaving for areas where there isn't a water shortage, that would deprive the politicians of voters to keep them in power.  Instead let's ignore the problem until it gets really bad then under the guise of an emergency seize power, i.e. your basic human rights.  A captive victimized population is better for keeping power than one that acts on its own enlightened choices.  This is why Governor Brown is going full steam ahead on high speed rail instead of building desalinization plants.  When the population allows a government to misspend their taxes on frivolous pursuits they are ripe to be made slaves, peasants, peons, serfs, servants, etc., a feudal system for the benefit of the elite.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 17:17 | 5968056 MEAN BUSINESS
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Joe The Plumber, is that you? ; )

I was reading a discussion at KurweilAI.net this morning about the 'elitization' of AI and this guy commented linking to some articles he wrote. He also wrote this piece:

JoeThePlumber - Tea Party Illusions and Economic Reality

http://www.ghandchi.com/642-JoeThePlumberEng.htm

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 09:48 | 5970392 dscott8186
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The unspoken false premise (liberal myth) of the article is that only a government-corporatist alliance can run the world efficiently for the benefit of all.  The reality is that liberalism is a corrupt band of leaders enriching themselves and being supported by useful idiots (collaborators) who accept handouts or the promise of future handouts supporting the myth.  

The Historical Reality is:  All societies are supported and nourished by productive labors (Joe the Plumber) and investors (profits from successful businesses).  As those societies mature, by their success attract parasites who feed off the excess of that success.  Those societies eventually end when the parasites suck the life out them because they multiply uncontrollably and seize the reigns of power to the detriment of all.  

Liberals/Socialists/Communists/Progressives are parasites.  The only myth here is getting something for nothing indefinitely at someone else's expense.  Liberalism's myth is the Societal Perpetual Motion Machine momentarily made to look successful using pyramid schemes and seizure of private property and assets. Look at Venezuela and you understand the myth and how it ends.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:29 | 5971253 MEAN BUSINESS
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If it makes you feel better, OWS was as delusional as The Tea Party.  (hint: pepper spray)

 

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:26 | 5967112 RealityCheque
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How about we stop letting Wall St commoditize water for a start?

There's a million of these "captains of industry" motherfuckers sitting and waiting to figure out a way to tax oxygen. Perhaps they may be part of the problem.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:28 | 5967117 Consumer Farm
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Severe Ancient Droughts: A Warning to California

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/19/science/severe-ancient-droughts-a-warn...

Interesting article. Not posting this to dispute any other posts.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 13:28 | 5967119 papaswamp
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Long desalination plants!

Not an unusual event. Several periods in the past 1000 yrs where areas endured long term (10-20yr) droughts.

Tue, 04/07/2015 - 14:39 | 5967407 Rastech
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There have been at least three 100 year droughts in the last 5,000 years.

 

One of them brought down the Egyptian Old Kingdom.

 

Desalination Plants plus drip agriculture.

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