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The Iranian Nuclear Framework Finally Exposes The War Party's Big Lie
Submitted by David Stockman via Contra Corner blog,
The Iranian framework agreement is an astonishingly good deal, and has the potential to become a historic game-changer. As Robert Parry astutely observed, its about much more than sheaving the threat that Iran will get the bomb:
The April 2 framework agreement with Iran represents more than just a diplomatic deal to prevent nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. It marks a crossroad that offers a possible path for the American Republic to regain its footing and turn away from endless war.
The saliency of that observation lies in the fact that there is virtually nothing in the substance of the deal for the War Party to attack. So what they are doing is desperately hurtling the Iranian axis-of-evil narrative at the agreement, claiming that the regime is so untrustworthy, diabolical and existentially dangerous that no product of mere diplomacy is valid. The Iranians are by axiom hell-bent on evil and no mere “scrap of paper” will stop them.
But therein dwells the game-changing opportunity. To defeat the deal, the War Party will have to defend its three-decade long campaign of exaggerations, distortions and bellicose animosity toward the Iranian state. But that is impossible because the axis-of-evil narrative was never remotely true. Indeed, if the truth be told the War Party has never been required to defend its spurious propaganda thanks in large part to a lazy, gullible mainstream press that has been as negligent on the Iranian evil meme as they were on Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.
As will be demonstrated below, the evil Iran narrative rests on repetition and political bombast, not historical fact. Iran was turned into a pariah state not owing to its own deeds and actions, but because it served the domestic political needs of the War Party. That is, Bibi Netanyahu’s Israeli branch used it to win elections by mobilizing the right-wing and religious extremists against a purported external peril; and Washington’s neo-cons used it to rescue the Pentagon’s war machine and the military industrial complex after the cold war ended its reason for being.
So while the whole axis-of-evil narrative is bogus, the War Party is repairing to it in flat-out hysterical tones because it has nowhere else to go. Indeed, it did not take long for a shrill demagogue like GOP Senator Mark Kirk to play the Hitler card:
“I would say that Neville Chamberlain got a lot more out of Hitler than Wendy Sherman got out of Iran.”
No, Senator, what Hitler got out of Munich was the annexation of the Sudetenland which was 85% German; had been part of various German-speaking predecessor states from the Middle Ages until Versailles; and voted by referendum overwhelmingly to return to the fatherland. Whether the greater foolishness occurred in Paris in 1919, when the Sudetenland was handed to the Czech politicians as war spoils, or in Munich in 1938, when Chamberlain badly misjudged his interlocutor, is a topic which will keep the historians busy debating for centuries.
But Munich has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand because Iran is not remotely comparable to Nazi Germany. In fact, Iran is a nearly bankrupt country that has no capability whatsoever to threaten the security and safety of the citizens of Spokane WA, Peoria IL or anywhere else in the US of A.
Its $350 billion GDP is the size of Indiana’s and its 68,000 man military is only slightly larger than the national guard of Texas. It is a land of severe mountains and daunting swamps that are not all that conducive to rapid economic progress and advanced industrialization. It has no blue water navy, no missiles with more than a few hundred miles of range, and, most significantly, has had no nuclear weapons program for more than a decade.
And unlike Hitler at Munich who got most of what he wanted, the Iranians at Lausanne gave up almost all of what they had. That is, they made huge concessions on nearly every issue that makes a difference including the number of permitted centrifuges at Natanz, the status of Fordow and Arak, the disposition of its enriched uranium stockpiles, the intrusiveness and scope of the inspections regime and on the matter of Iran’s so-called “breakout” capacity.
While every signatory of the non-proliferation treaty has the right to civilian enrichment, Iran has agreed to reduce the number of centrifuges by 70% from 20,000 to 6,000. And its effective capacity has been reduced by significantly more. That’s because the permitted Natanz centrifuges will consist exclusively of its most rudimentary, outdated equipment—— first-generation IR-1 knockoffs of 1970s European models.
Not only will they not be allowed to build or develop newer models, but even those remaining will be permitted to enrich uranium to a limit of only 3.75% purity. That is to say, to the generation of fissile material that is not remotely capable of reaching bomb grade concentrations of 90%.
Equally importantly, they have agreed to eliminate enrichment activity entirely at Fordow—-Iran’s one truly advanced, hardened site that could withstand an onslaught of Israeli or US bunker busters. Instead, Fordow will become a small time underground science lab devoted to medical isotope research and crawling with international inspectors. In effectively decommissioning Fordow and thereby eliminating any capacity to cheat—–what Iran got in return was at best a fig leave of salve for its national pride.
The disposition of the reactor at Arak is even more dispositive. For years, the War Party has falsely waved the bloody shirt of “plutonium” because the civilian nuclear reactor being built there was of Canadian “heavy water” design rather than GE or Westinghouse “light water” design; and, accordingly, when finished it would have generated plutonium as a waste product rather than conventional spent nuclear fuel rods.
In truth, the Iranians couldn’t have bombed a beehive with the Arak plutonium because you need a reprocessing plant to convert it into bomb grade material. Needless to say, Iran had no such plant, no plan to build one, and no prospect for getting the requisite technology and equipment.
But now even that bogeyman no longer exists. Under the deal, Iran will destroy or export the reactor core of its existing plant; replace it with a core that cannot produced material that can be reprocessed into weapons grade plutonium; and will be required to ship out of the country all spent nuclear fuel. All of these restrictions, in turn, will be subject to rigorous inspection.
As to its already existing enriched stock piles, including some 20% medical-grade material, it will eliminate 97% of what it has. That is, it will hold only 300 kilograms of its 10,000 kilogram stockpile in its current form. Senator Kirk could store what will be left in his wine cellar.
But where the framework agreement decisively shuts down the War Party is in its provision for a robust, comprehensive and even prophylactic inspections regime. All of the major provision itemized above will be enforced by continuous IAEA access to existing facilities including its main centrifuge complex at Natanz—- along with Fordow, Arak and a half dozen other sites.
The real break-through, however, lies in Iran’s agreement to what amounts to a cradle-to-grave inspection regime. It encompasses the entire nuclear fuel chain.
That means international inspectors will visit Iran’s uranium mines and milling and fuel preparation operations. This even includes its enrichment equipment manufacturing and fabrication plants. For the next 20 years inspectors will have “continuous surveillance at Iran’s centrifuge rotors and bellows production and storage facilities.”
Beyond that, Iran has also agreed to a robust program of inspections to prevent smuggling of materials into the country to illicit sites outside of the framework facilities. This encompasses imports of nuclear fuel cycle equipment and materials, including so-called “dual use” items which are essentially civilian imports that could be repurposed to nuclear uses, even peaceful domestic power generation.
Furthermore, the inspection regime burrows even deeper into the weeds. According to Max Fisher’s excellent summary published on Contra Corner earlier today,
“Iran has finally agreed to comply by a rule known as Modified Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements General Part to Iran’s Safeguards Agreement, shorthanded as Modified Code 3.1. It says that Iran has to notify inspectors immediately on its decision to build any new facility where it plans to do nuclear work — long before construction starts”.
Similarly, it appears Iran has agreed to a continue inspection provisions with respect to existing UN resolutions restricting conventional arms and ballistic missile capabilities.
In short, not even a Houdini could secretly break-out of the box contemplated in the agreement and confront the world with some kind of fait accompli threat to use the bomb. To do so would take diversion of thousands of tons of domestically produced or imported uranium and the illicit milling and upgrading of such material at secret fuel preparation plants.
It would also involve the secret construction of new, hidden enrichment operations of such massive scale that they could house more than 10,000 new centrifuges; the building of these massive spinning arrays from components smuggled into the country and transported to remote enrichment operations undetected by the massive complex of spy satellites overhead and covert US ands Israeli intelligence agency operatives on the ground in Iran.
Finally, it would require the activation from scratch of a weaponization program which has been dormant according to the National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) for more than a decade. And then, that the Iranian regime—–after cobbling together one or two bombs without testing them or their launch vehicles—– would nevertheless be willing to threaten to use them sight unseen.
So just stop it!
You need to be a raging, certifiable paranoid boob to believe that the Iranians could break out of this framework box based on a secret new capacity to enrich the requisite fissile material and make a bomb. In the alternative scenario, you have to be a willful know-nothing to think that by repudiating the agreement that Iran could get quickly get enough nuclear material from its existing sites to make a bomb from the output of the 5,000 “old and slow” centrifuges that will be left at Natanz a few months after the deal incepts.
At the end of the day, in fact, what you really have to believe is that Iran is run by absolutely irrational, suicidal madmen. After all, even if they managed to defy the immensely prohibitive constraints described above and get one or a even a few nuclear bombs, what in the world would they do with them?
Drop them on Tel Aviv? That would absolutely insure Israel’s navy and air force would unleash its 200 nukes and thereby incinerate the entire industrial base and major population centers of Iran. The idea that deterrence would fail even if a future Iranian regime were to defy all the odds, and also defy the fatwa against nuclear weapons issued by their Supreme Leader, amounts to one of the most proposterous Big Lies ever concocted.
There is no plausible or rational basis for believing it outside of the axis-of-evil narrative. So what’s really at issue here is not the framework or the diplomacy of the Obama White House and the P5+1 group of nations which negotiated it, but the immense tissue of unwarranted demonization of Iran that the War Party has fabricated over the last three decades.
What obliterates that false picture more decisively than anything else is that Iran has no nuclear weapons program. Period. All the hysteria about the mullahs getting the bomb is based on the wholly theoretically supposition that they want civilian enrichment only as a stepping stone to the bomb. Yet the entirety of the US intelligence complex and America’s most dangerous war monger of recent times, George W. Bush, both say it isn’t so.
The blinding truth of that proposition first came in the National Intelligence Estimates of 2007. These NIEs represent a consensus of all 16 US intelligence agencies on salient issues each year, and on the matter of Iran’s nuclear weapons program they could not have been more unequivocal:
“We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program; we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons. … We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons. …
“Our assessment that Iran halted the program in 2003 primarily in response to international pressure indicates Tehran’s decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military costs.”
Moreover, as former CIA analyst Ray McGovern noted recently, the NIE’s have not changed since then.
An equally important fact ignored by the mainstream media is that the key judgments of that NIE have been revalidated by the intelligence community every year since.
Next there is the matter of “Dubya’s” memoirs. Near the end of his term in office he was under immense pressure to authorize a bombing campaign against Iran’s civilian nuclear facilities. But once the 2007 NIEs came out, even the “mission accomplished” President in the bomber jacket was caught up short. As McGovern further notes,
Bush lets it all hang out in his memoir, Decision Points. Most revealingly, he complains bitterly that the NIE “tied my hands on the military side” and called its findings “eye-popping.”
A disgruntled Bush writes, “The backlash was immediate…….“I don’t know why the NIE was written the way it was. … Whatever the explanation, the NIE had a big impact — and not a good one.”
Spelling out how the Estimate had tied his hands “on the military side,” Bush included this (apparently unedited) kicker: “But after the NIE, how could I possibly explain using the military to destroy the nuclear facilities of a country the intelligence community said had no active nuclear weapons program?”
So there you have it. How is it possible to believe that the Iranian’s are hell-bent on a nuclear holocaust when they don’t even have a nuclear weapons program?
The truth is, what they do have is a regional political program—some of it accompanied by rhetoric which is bombastic and often unsavory. But the substance of what amounts to the ordinary business of statecraft has been twisted and contorted by the War Party into an utterly false claim that Iran is out to conquer and even destroy its neighbors. But the evidence for that does not exist and the flimsy arguments which are proffered amount to a giant so what!
Thus, Iran has been a stalwart supporter of the Assad regime in Syria. So what? The Assad regime is no more unsavory or brutal than its ISIS and al Qaeda opponents. Its base in the minority Alawite sect of Syria has made it a natural of ally of the its Shiite cousins who rule Iran, and led it to protect the rights of Christians, Druze, Kurds and numerous other minorities against the Sunni majority in Syria for decades.
In any event, the age old sectarian quarrels of the Syrians are none of our business and have no bearing whatsoever on America’s security and safety. The alliance of Assad with Iran proves only that Iran sides with the Shiite in these internal sectarian conflicts just as the Saudi and other Persian Gulf states side with their kinsmen on the Sunni side—–including arming and aiding the jihadists among them.
The same is true of the civil war in Yemen. The north has been dominated by a branch of Shiite Islam and the south by Sunni sects for centuries. The current civil war first broke out back in the 1970s when the Shah was still on the throne in Tehran and has virtually nothing to do with the current Iranian regime.
The truth is, in fact, after more than a decade of Washington’s intervention, political manipulation and conduct of arms supply and deadly droning campaigns against mainly civilian populations, Yemen is now an utterly failed state and economic hell hole. The Houthi who adhere to an obscure branch of the Shiite faith, were not long ago Washington’s ally in the battle against Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Owing to the internal chaos Washington unleashed in Yemen, however, they have now overthrown our latest puppet ruler there, but not with two-bit aid from Iran. Like ISIS in Syria and Iraq, they have conquered half the country with $500 million worth of US arms left behind by hurriedly evacuating US forces.
Did Iran invade Iraq and impose the Shiite dominated government in Baghdad that has essentially fractured the country invented out of whole cloth by British and French diplomats in 1916 as they divided up the spoils of the Ottoman Empire? No, it was Washington’s demented “shock and awe” campaign that destroyed the tenuous state of Iraq and unleashed the Sunni furies that have now morphed into ISIS——a rabble of medieval fanatics and butchers that in the final analysis can only be stopped by the very Shiite Crescent that is supposedly the proof that Iran is untrustworthy.
Likewise, it was not Iran which invaded southern Lebanon and gave rise to Hezbollah. More than three decades ago it was Ronald Reagan who mistakenly inserted US forces into Beirut. And while he learned from the tragedy of 241 dead Marines that Lebanon’s sectarian conflicts are none of Washington’s business, nor are they within its capacity to resolve, that painful lesson did not cause it to restrain the Israelis.
Twice they have invaded Lebanon with Washington’s acquiescence. So doing they have inflicted massive destruction, death and undying animosity on the preponderant Shiite population of southern Lebanon.
Thanks to Israel’s imperial arrogance, therefore, Hezbollah has been preternaturally empowered, thereby becoming the protector of the Shiite population and the most powerful political party in the Lebanese government.
That Iran chooses to ally with and transfer modest economic aid to its Shiite brethren is certainly not conducive to normalizing relations between Lebanon and Israel. But it is hardly evidence of some grand design of conquest—nor does it constitute an “existential threat” to a state that has vastly superior economic and military capabilities.
And that gets to the heart of the issue. Other than for a few brief months during his first term in office in the late 1990s, Bibi Netanyahu has brazenly, cynically and unremittingly demonized Iran in furtherance of his own brobdingnagian will to political power and absurd pretension that he is some latter day Winston Churchill.
His hysterical opposition to the deal is therefore fully explainable. No demonic state of the nature he has castigated for two decades could possibly embrace the framework which came out of Lausanne. His epic Big Lie is being called, and no amount of desperate denunciation of the deal can stop its exposure.
So too with the domestic neocons. The historical record of the early post cold war years makes absolutely clear that the Iranian regime was designated as the Soviet successor threat in order to keep the nation’s massive war machine in tact. Cheney, Wolfowitz and Robert Gates were all there at the founding—— as Gareth Porter has so brilliantly documented in his indispensable book called “Manufactured Crisis”.
Indeed, there could be no more appropriate metaphor than “manufactured” for the War Party’s shrill opposition to the Lausanne deal. It is a manufactured case against a manufactured enemy.
By contrast, the actual framework deal could change the course of history by relieving 75 million long-suffering Iranians of the punishing impact of sanctions. It could, in turn, foster further moderation of the Iranian regime and the return of a proud nation which, unlike Washington, has invaded no one for more than a century, to the community of nations.
Indeed, rapprochement with Iran is the gateway to ending Washington’s increasingly destructive thrashing about the entire middle east——from Yemen to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, and in Pakistan and Afghanistan, too. It would permit the natural enemies of ISIS to contain and ultimately extinguish its bloody rampage, while at the same time reducing US dependence upon the corpulent, decadent and sclerotic despotism that rules Saudi Arabia.
With crude oil at $50 and heading much lower for much longer—-now is finally the time for US policy to recognize that protecting the Persian Gulf oil supplies has been a drastically erroneous predicate for US policy for more than four decades. In truth, the American economy can live with the free market price of oil, whatever it is; and whoever rules Iran and Saudi Arabia will produce as much as they can in order to meet domestic needs and bolster there own political fortunes. America’s energy future does not require the services of the Seventh Fleet in the Persian Gulf, nor marines, cruise missiles or drones in the surrounding oil provinces.
The Sunni-Shiite conflict has been raging on and off for 1300 years now. America has no dog in that hunt and never has.
What the framework deal actually does, therefore, is to open the door to an eventual US withdrawal from its bloody, failed history of intervention in the middle east. So doing, it would pave the way for a drastic shrinkage of an obsolete war machine that has had no purpose since 1991 except to spill American blood and treasure in a region of the world where it has no business meddling.
No wonder the War Party is going hysterical.
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Fuck america
thats pretty much what this article says.
"fuck america......all hail mullah obama.."
fml
Truth always hurts.
Best president America has had in 30 40 years.
How refreshing; after weeks of Ziocon/PNAC Tyler on duty, attacking a potential peaceful resolution to the Iranian nuclear issue, non-Ziocon/non-PNAC Tyler shows up on duty!
I still fully expect Israeli Zionistas and/or dual citizens to pull off a false flag if that's what it takes to scuttle any peaceful resolution of this issue and lead American Goyim to war for Tel Aviv's Golden Calf.
Onward, Christian Soldiers
(The unofficial Israeli National Anthem sung in pubs by drunken hordes with great merriment and laughter from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem...)
I wish Dick Cheney was spinning in his grave
He only has to return to his grave once per day.
not since he got his new heart:
http://www.artofmarkbryan.com/wp-content/gallery/politics/dick.jpg
George Friedman (years ago): In time the USA will drop Israel and befriend Iran.
Chomsky: When the M E oil runs out, Israel will be on its own.
Maybe time for a Goyim revolt and regaining our country back.
Everyone knows our sons and daughters have been dying in wars to further the ziocon agenda ever since the PNAC New Pearl Harbor orchestrated by the dual citizens in the US government.
The problem is, you can't talk about it anywhere except a zerohedge comment because you'll lose your job and be ruined and they might even kill you as they have done to so many others who have gotten in their way.
They are the perpetual victims you see, even while killing millions in the mideast with someone elses army and slaughtering their defenseless neighbors with impunity courtesy of your tax dollars.
Go figure.
sure fun facts that tiny country with less people than NJ controls the entire global system including the banks and military industrial complex all because some of them have last names that end in 'berg'. schmuck.
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That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” Rabbi Ovadia Yosef October-18-2010 during his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat. The crowd responded with laughter.
Who runs Hollywood? C’mon
December 19, 2008 | JOEL STEIN | LA Times
How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.
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The 50 most influential Jews of 2014 | Jerusalem Post
1. Jack Lew, Secretary of the United States Treasury
2. Janet Yellen, Chairwoman of the Federal Reserve
14. Stanley Fischer, Vice chairman of the US Federal Reserve Bank-former head of the bank of Israel
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Anti-semitic, Its a Trick, We Always Use it – YouTube
Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni on Democracy Now says “Anti-semitic”, “its a trick we always use it”
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CIA Cited Israeli Court Rulings to Justify Torture
The report revealed that the Agency’s lawyers used the rulings from Israel’s Supreme Court to construct a legal case to justify the illegal interrogation methods.
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don't you know that if all the Jews were killed and Israel wiped off the face of the earth that the peace loving Mooslims would lay down their arms and embrace Obama and Putin in a not at all gay sex threesome?
4 years 38 weeks. and yet you sound like ZH comments on zioangcon are new to you?
berg.schumck. like that.
Yes Death to America, the mullhs, Al queda, hamas, and the palis are our friends we just need to feel their pain. Wow you are thick
Man, this puts the ZH crowd in a tough spot. A US president makes a deal to prevent another war in the ME, a move all non-interventionists and libertarians should obviously support, but since it happens to be Obama, you have to fight it, even if your demi-god Reagan's budget director agrees. If Putin made the same deal you'd be gushing.
When this site went far right, I dealt with it. When it turned into a Putin love fest, I dealt with it. But Jesus Christ, at least pick a postion and stick with it, regardless of who's behind the mic. Good policy is good policy, and not starting another war on false nuclear pretenses is.... say it with me... GOOD POLICY.
Good and fair points made. In theory, a lot of ZH'ers should be supporting Obama's foreign policy initiatives.
But I bet I know the reason most of us (including myself) do not. He's a liar. And everything he touches turns to shit. That is his track record. Putting him and, God help us, John Kerry in charge of this "nuclear deal" is unlikely to result in a good outcome for any party involved.
Do shut up
Ohh Shhiiiiii he downvoted me heh
I don't down-vote people who reply to my posts. I reply to them if I feel the need to retort. Which, in this case, I do not.
Retort: I will not retort!
I don't always say es okay but when I do, es okay.
Yeah, I downvoted him for not having any kind of point to make.
I agree with BK and you. I think Obama is really into this effort. His track record seems to show a lean to Shia. He didn't invade Syria and looked like a twit for it. His Egyptian gambit failed horribly. He isn't going all in with Yemen it seems. He is trying to make this deal with Iran.
Yes, failure everytime. I've said that with this track record there is no way this could be an accident. I'm of half a mind that it isn't his inabilities as much as someone more powerful slamming the seat down every time he tries to take a piss.
Make no mistake, I think he's a bad guy and really hope that he won't still be President in 2025 because that will mean most of us are dead. Perhaps he sees a lot of the same problems we do and has very little control over certain organizations. His cures for our domestic ailments will certainly be worse than the disease. Still, on this stuff with the arabs, persians and israelis, I don't think he is the worst actor we have.
What is the CIA doing with all those unaccounted for billions of dollars they make every year from Afghan poppies?
Wow, what dimesion is this?
All politicians are liars, Obama is no different. But that's why we have 6 world powers agreeing to a deal, not just Choom wagon. This deal will last for decades if properly implemented, saving countless american lives and depriving the MIC of more of our tax dollars. I don't give a fuck if Tickle-Me-Elmo authored it, it's a good deal. If we let Bibi and his cronies in Congress kill this, god help us all.
LOL. Sucker the Iranians just love folks like you. If you know ANYTHING about Iran and their death cult religion yoiu would understand exactly what they've been doing and continue to do.
Who has gone to more foreign countries and killed more people there, Iran or the US?
I rest my case your honor.
Furthermore, which Middle Eastern country has operated a secret (and now declassifed) nuclear weapons program for decades, while refusing to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty: Iran or Israel?
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/us-declassifies-report-exp...
Your honor, my client wishes to plea "anti-semitism", that always worked before.
well the problem is that Obama (despite his Nobel Prize) was acting like a puppet and was pushed into wars in the Middle East, which - however - I do believe he did not want. But people are now used to him starting wars, not ending them, so it is quite difficult to trust him now. But somehow I think he may be sincere in this, because this is much more than just Iran. Both Russia and China officially said some time ago that any attack on Iran would mean WWIII. It is possible that Obama, whatever his many faults are, realised this and manned up at last - to stop it. If there was WWIII after all, it would be him in the middle and I doubt he wants that. He is not a good politician, but he is not a neocon either. I think WWIII is the last thing he wants. So lets hope we can trust him on this. BTW most of the agreement with Iran was actually based on a particular Putin's proposal (through Lavrov:-) Just to be clear:-)
I doubt Putin would have proposed this, he's the one getting screwed. Lower oil prices, and with Iran out of the cross-hairs he's going to get even more attention from the MIC. This deal is the worst possible outcome for Russia.
You sound butthurt.
You dont know what you are talking about. Putin thinks about much more than just oil prices. First of all he needs a strong Iran to counter Saudi Arabia, the US puppet. And of course to "counter" Israel:-). Then he also wants Iran in SCO and in the Eurasian Union. Iran already made an application to join Russia-led Eurasian Union. The sanctions are an obstacle to this.
Yes specifically the old fart republican faction of zerohedge known affectionately as 'the butthurts'.
Thank goodness my butts OK. Got out of that club awhile back. Waiting for the Pope to run.
You mean you believe war monger Obama will not start another war? Wow some are more naive than others
Is it not more reasonable to believe that the CIA or Mossad will start another war and leave him (and us) holding the bag?
Really. I just saw Brezinski get off of Air Force One with him. He must want world peace. And he must be good he has an Iranian handler and hates the Israelis.
That's MESSIAH OBAMA thank you very much
Tired of Mahdi in waiting, POTUS has become Shiva.
Death to America and Israel - I guess the Iranians were just joking around.
We do not even need their oil
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Please do tell what has been dealt to the Middle East as a whole, since 1953, by the U.S. and Israel...? You can speculate all you like on the bombastic tone of the Iranians, but there isn't any speculation to be done about what has already transpired throughout history.
they always cut away before the rim shot
Barry told some good tales, too. Like the government will be transparent. All negotiations on the healthcare bill on CNN, etc. etc. Kruschev said, "We will bury you". The Koch bros. said "We will buy you". Hermann Goering said "They'll never bomb this place". A lot of that stuff doesn't happen. We'll see.
If Iran had done to the US what the US has done to Iran since the 1950s you would chant "Death to Iran".
If Iran had done to the Canada what the US has done to Afghanistan since the 1970s you would chant "Death to Iran" every day.
If Iran had done to the Mexico what the US has done to Iraq since the 1990s you would chant "Death to Iran" every damn day and twice on Sunday.
It would be better if you said "Fuck the clowns that have hijacked the US and are using the money machine and stupidity of its citizens in order to wage death and destruction for profit around the globe".
I'm from the US, do you think I support this crap? I'm sick of it.
well said
Would be nice to hear that from Putin or Xi. Why the fuck aren't they shouting it from the mountain tops?
Most likely they are trying to manage the collapse and recognize a few smaller countries will be destroyed along the way but hopefully not the entire world. It is best not to start a fight with people who have the will and the means to kill you. Is better to let them get drunk and fight with shadows until they fall down and pass out.
I totally agree. Planned Parenthood is truly evil
lol
And I probably could improve that by saying instead of 'stupidity of its citizens' to something along the lines of typical humans just being taken over and trampled. It's always been the same everywhere. That's not to say it wasn't stupid of us, but this pattern seems to repeat an awful lot.
That is the sad part. Most of these stupid citizens really mean nobody any harm at all. They mean well.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
"Fuck america"
I get the sentiment, but America is NOT the US.
America is the country of people and the land they inhabit. The US is the criminal nation that is criminally occupying and oppressing the American country and people.
Videos from the standup to tyranny at the Bundy Ranch illustrate this well, as does the "stand and deliver" response of the Davidians at Waco.
I am an American citizen, not US subject.
The banksters need to repay us.
I'm all talk. My AK, AR, and Glock are all action.
Well... what are you waiting for hero?
No one likes jail, that's how they get away with it. It will have to reach a boiling point to where there's nothing left to lose and unfort at that point there actually won't be anything left to lose. Literally. Now if a few dozen could group together and go after them.........that might actually get us somewhere. Droned to death probably lol.
The people are oppressed because they allow it. Check out the history of the American Thomas Jefferson. He put everything on the line: his position in society, his home and property, all that he ever owned and worked for, including his family and his life. Until the American people are ready to do that, nothing will change. Some people are there, but not nearly enough.
No fuck our politicians they are not America and we the people not the sheeple are so sick and tired that something is going to change and that something will be the change that America can believe in not this hocus pocus bullshit of the clinton bush obumer cocksuckers keep pushing
Politicians who represent the people dummy.
When it takes a billion dollars to lose an election, the people are not being represented at all.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com
and old people
Idiot
Friend and foe always commented on W's loyalty.
No one will ever accuse Stockman of that, or of admitting his own cowardice and incompetence when real reforms could have been made.
edit: for the many who would not know, he was budget director under Reagan, and pissed away enormous opportunities.
Not to worry - now the Saudis will want Nukes as the Iranian Shiite noose tightens with both straits in shiite hands. What could go wrong?
W took the war to the muzzies...and it is working. O-No is only throwing gas on the fire unbeknowst to the fool.
Neville revisited...but it will be Muzzy blood.
Time will tell.
Just sayin'.
Too bad for you they don't sell bottled blood in the supermarkets. Hey any sign of those WMDs in Iraq yet?
you lie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stockman
"...
fter "being taken to the woodshed by the president" due to his candor with Atlantic Monthly's William Greider, Stockman became concerned with the projected trend of increasingly large federal deficits and the rapidly expanding national debt. On 1 August 1985, he resigned OMB and later wrote a memoir of his experience in the Reagan Administration titled The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed, in which he specifically criticized the failure of congressional Republicans to endorse a reduction of government spending to offset large tax decreases, in order to avoid the creation of large deficits and an increasing national debt.
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I hate Barry with a purple passion, but getting rid of the sanctions is a good idea.
It will help build a middle class of responsible, influential people who can deal internally with the religious nut jobs.
Something we all need.
Or not. Probably just allow the Mullahs they need to really get the party started. Not looking forward to that.
this is and never was about nukes.
or about 'proliferation'.
those are narrow target issues.
THIS ABOUT NEW WORLD ORDER AND GLOBAL DOMINATION.
PETRO DOLLARS,
STRATEGIC ALLIANCES
PERPETUAL POLITICS OF PERPETUAL CONFLICT.
if you think some 'deal' is actually a genuine attempt at peace from the nobel peace prize winner sitting in the military industrial complex head seat---think again!
They've already said that they're probably going to bomb them anyway. The Iranians are so fucked and so are we. Our country has been hijacked. The populace in general is an inconvenience at best and quite irrelevant. We're all fortune's fools.
Potable water for Israel, those other things are just a bonus.
Look at old photos of the Jordan river, then look at modern ones.
Its a streem nowadays in comparison.
And somehow 35 years and six different administrations later we still aren't at war with "death to America" and "The destruction of Israel is not negotiable" Iran. How strange.
33 weeks and four days and a squeek from the hasbara chick.
What is chilling is how well the neo-cons and progressives have agreed to continue the debacles in the Middle East while supporting a neo-Nazi putsch in Ukraine.
You need look no further than that to understand that the left and the right are united in supporting the banks and the military industrial complex at the expense of us citizens and the soul of the nation.
I would give the mullahs all the nukes they desire, via ICBMs & cruise missiles.
Problem solved.
u a big boy for 18 weeks and 13 hours.
habara hedgling.
u an asshole islamic scum vermin
Good work Mr Obama. Diplomacy is the solution.
No wonder the War Party is going hysterical
David Stockman has the courage and fortitude to call out the War Party on its crimes. Meanwhile the NY Times which is the voice of the War Party on US policy in the Middle East desperately wants a war with Iran:
New York Times Publishes Call to Bomb Iran
By Robert Parry
Global Research, March 30, 2015
If two major newspapers in, say, Russia published major articles openly advocating the unprovoked bombing of a country, say, Israel, the U.S. government and news media would be aflame with denunciations about “aggression,” “criminality,” “madness,” and “behavior not fitting the Twenty-first Century.”
But when the newspapers are American – the New York Times and the Washington Post – and the target country is Iran, no one in the U.S. government and media bats an eye. These inflammatory articles – these incitements to murder and violation of international law – are considered just normal discussion in the Land of Exceptionalism.
On Thursday, the New York Times printed an op-ed that urged the bombing of Iran as an alternative to reaching a diplomatic agreement that would sharply curtail Iran’s nuclear program and ensure that it was used only for peaceful purposes. The Post published a similar “we-must-bomb-Iran” op-ed two weeks ago.
The Times’ article by John Bolton, a neocon scholar from the American Enterprise Institute, was entitled “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.” It followed the Post’s op-ed by Joshua Muravchik, formerly at AEI and now a fellow at the neocon-dominated School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins
http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-york-times-publishes-call-to-bomb-iran/...
"The Times’ article by John Bolton, a neocon scholar from the American Enterprise Institute,"
The term 'neocon scholar' is an oxymoron while the term 'John Bolton' is merely a moron...
John Bolton makes Samantha Power seem almost sane and Jen Psaki seem almost truthful.
The Iranians would do well to remember how, after years of diplomatic and economic isolation Libya fared, after it too decided to accept western entreaties.
U.K., France and USA have all proven to be utterly untrustworthy.
"In short, not even a Houdini could secretly break-out of the box contemplated in the agreement and confront the world with some kind of fait accompli threat to use the bomb"
Utterly untrue. Case in point: North Korea.
Also, it's not like UN inspectors have ever been expelled before.
Oh wait:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5155821/North-...
i forgot, downvoter: "This time it's different."
Right? right?
cite iran's record of deceit. compare it to the consequences of israel's deceit. who is the most deceitful? do the same with the usa. who wins that contest?
israel may even beat the usa as the most duplicitous nation on earth.
stop talking out of your ass. you sound like the bully on the block. israel is outnumbered at least 40 to 1 yet you still want to take the lunch money from the skinny dorky kid?
40 to one?
and here i thought it was 400 to zero, nukes that is.
North Korean women are HOT!
When is somebody in Washington finally going to question exactly why we stick our neck out for Israel all the time when we get close to zipp in return (other than their hit teams that do some of our dirty work)?
If Israel is finally forced to deal with its neighbours without bid daddy uncle sam standing by, many of our mid east trouble would be over.
"When is somebody in Washington finally going to question exactly why we stick our neck out for Israel all the time when we get close to zipp in return (other than their hit teams that do some of our dirty work)?
If Israel is finally forced to deal with its neighbours without bid daddy uncle sam standing by, many of our mid east trouble would be over. "
You are almost there. Look a little deeper, and you will see. You will see Zion's strings.
The banksters need to repay us.
"To find Zion, one must follow the plunder and blood--and cookies too."
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I heard Iranians were throwing babies out of incubators to make room for WMD centrifuges.
They were bayonetting Belgium babies also - absolutely disgusting practice. How can we not invade and bomb such barbarians? Surely this is God's will.
" claiming that the regime is so untrustworthy, diabolical and existentially dangerous that no product of mere diplomacy is valid"
Stockman is correct. The above tactic of intellectual gymnastics has often been dragged out by the Washington DC "Deep State" "The Military Indusrial Complex" "Washington DC's Israeli Agents" and others as a way to prevent any peace. If you accept the above, then no deal can be done, ever, with Iran. Only WAR will suffice in that case. Thus the War Party can counter any and all arguments simply by saying Iran is so evil that no cooperation or communication is even possible. Only the Military Industrial Complex solution of war on Iran is then valid.
In the old days, the days of the cold war with the USSR, this argument was trotted out often whenenver the Soviets caved in to US demands and offered concessions that could lead further to peace. President Ronald WIlson Reagan came very close to ending the cold war on favorable terms, just by he willingness to be reasonable in exchange for an end to hostility. BUT, the war party in Washington went stark raving mad when it leaked out that Reagan was seeking an end to the cold war. The Deep State used it's media to begin calling Reagan senileand unfit to govern.
Make no mistake, the Deep State will never accept peace. They attacked Carter when he made agreements to avoid wars. The jumped on Reagan just as bad as Carter when he got a favorable peace deal. Bush was castigated for not rolling all the way to Baghdad. Bush a combat veteran Navy Bomber Pilot, shot down in combat by Japanese Anti Aircraft fire, and later rescued by a Navy Submarine, had his military record dragged through the mud by the Deep State's Media Liars. Claiming Bush bailed out over the sea, leaving his two crewmen to die, Though the Navu during the war approved of Bush's actions completely given the nature of warfare he was caught up in.
So you see, the Deep State are liars and worse. Any president is fair game for them, no matter the party , no matter the perdients status or war record.
The Neo-Con fucks in Washington are some evil bastards. Now a day most all of them have a deep Zionist connection. Just the names of the top Neo-Cons gives away their alligance to Israel, their actions go on to prove their status as traitors. Yet we allow them to rule us, I wonder why we do!
Excellent analysis. I didn't know that about Reagan. All the media ever said about him were things like "we start bombing in five minutes".
Oh look mom another jew hater with zero facts to back up his babble. y'all all like to rile up the wolves with fresh meat but thankfully we don't have people like you running the show. i'll trust iran when they can keep to their word JUST ONCE. please just one time pretty please?
You know something.... Jews are just normal people. I have many Jewish friends.
But people here are not talking about normal Jews but about others who also call themselves Jews but create most of the problems in Middle East and quite a lot around the world.
The guys screaming about Iran are those Jews who have no evidence whatsoever except for children's drawings of a bomb.
Oh look mom another America-hating Israeli with zero facts to back up his hasbara megaphone.
They've kept to their word a lot more than once, exceeding your oh-so-special quota, so I guess you won't be trusting them. Not surprising.
Uh oh, some guy named Ehud Barak (must be related to Obama, right?) said that Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon program.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/08/03/ehud-barak-admits-iran-has-defensive-...
I recommend you open by calling him an anti-'semite', as this still leaves you with the Hitler card and Nazi card to play later if needed.
lol those d*mn zionists cutting off the heads of Christians in the Middle East. I love it when people blame all the words ills on zionists.
BTW Progressives are much worse than Neo-Cons. Progressives like to abort Black babies to fund the DNC and burn the fetuses in our powerplants. While Neo-Cons like to start wars, bomb, and create havoc, Progressives go right to the womb for their wars. We can rebuild cities, but we cannot rebuild aborted babies
We killed millions folks, we ruined lives and folks families, I got rich and so did a (very) few other folks. FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS, Everyone's done forgot about DEBACLE.
There is no deal, it is a setup.
Zion's operators are setting the stage for another 9/11, this one targeting Iran.
CIA-Obama is in on it. He making it appear that he, and the rest of the so-called left, are anti-Israel, pro-Muslim, incompetent, dangerous, etc. That way when the Dancing Mossads' next event is kicked off, the right wing, evangelical Cristian sheeple will be knocked back into psychological alignment (Hearts and Minds) with the neo-cons. 9/11 and 9/11 2.0 will also adorn ReadyReserve recruiting posters.
The banksters need to repay us.
"Don' believe the hype. It's Zionist tripe."
anudder thing I doesn't understand is- if the Iranians are hellbent on killing the juice, then why not start with all of the ones LIVING IN IRAN!?!?!
my spider senses tell me there is some fear mongering going on...
eh, but what the hell do I know.... RIGHT!?!?!
and israel becomes redundant and expendable in the mideast. bye-bye. free at last! free at last! thank god almighty! free at last!
those useless effers are the ones discharging bodily fluids in their undiapered drawers.
And where do you imagine all those Israelis would end up. You think that makes you free?
Back to Asia from whence they came. Their bud Larry Summers is telegraphing the fact that the U.S. cornhole is all fucked out.
Idiot liars negotiating with psychotic liars, agreeing to terms neither side intends to keep, the spectacle for a public who will only pull their heads out of their asses long enough to watch the latest Fast and Furious sequel. Bread and circuses.
What's the GDP of North Korea? Just askin'.
43.
Well that's good, because I'm in Spokane.
Excuse me?
Haven't we've been through 20+ years of Iran agreeing to various levels of "inspections" by various gov't and NGO groups AND NEVER FOLLOWING THROUGH ON LETTING THE INSPECTORS IN???
I like Stockman on economics, but there's a bit of a historical memory glitch here.
And besides, even if there is a "War Party" trying to make this deal fall apart, it doesn't mean Iran DOESN'T want to destroy Israel. While the warriors of Islam are out there trying to kill every Jew and Christian they can find, doing any favors for the religious-oligarchy stat of Iran isn't high on my TO-DO list.
Nor is doing any for Israel high on mine.
And...exactly why should We care if Iran wants to destroy Israel?
Warriors of Islam are out there killing Muslims and Christians, not one bomb attack on Israel or Jews.
So... What exactly are you talking about?
well said cpnscarlet. facts and reason are absent when the crowd is stirred up in their hatred for anything JOO. this is a spiritual thing when you argue till your blue in the face trying to connect dots with zero verifiable evidence and basically slanting anything you say to make israel look like the bad guy. you know that tiny speck in the middle east that is the root cause of all the arabs problems throughout history, oh i mean since 1947. can't make this crap up.
I feel a tear coming on. *sniff* Awww cheer up, because on any given day that tiny speck can still command the attention of a joint session of what once was OUR(?) Congress.
"facts and reason are absent" ... every time you post.
The best part is it really has nothing at all to do with Israel - Mullahs with nukes inspring other unstable shithole nations to get nukes just isn't a recipe for global stability.
Indeed Israel should be irrelevant but it isn't, nor do mullahnukes inspire confidence, but that's what happens when strategic foreign policy is separated from legitimate and strictly nationalist interests. The fact that “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none” was just too sophisticated a principle for the U.S. political system to manage is the reason why we find ourselves time and again in these predicaments. I don't relish the idea of negotiating this issue away either, but the economic calculus at this point is pretty grim, and beggars can't be choosers. Besides, wack a mullah up to this point has been such a demonstrable success.
cpnscarlet gets it totally wrong:
Nope. Totally wrong. Iran's nuclear facilities are, and have been, constantly watched and frequently visited by IAEA inspectors.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH16Ak03.html
http://nationalinterest.org/print/commentary/eight-ways-youre-wrong-abou...
Not even ranting in BOLD CAPS will make you right. Better escape back into fantasy.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-blocks-inspections-hobbling-nuclear-dea...
Iran is a big pussy. too bad obuma and co are homo's so they don't fuck that pussy. do i really need to post sarc at the end of this?
Oh, a link to an article behind a paywall, that's really credible.
But hey, when you can't support a point...
It is amazing how many idiots are still alive and kicking in "Merica". Hell yes, why not antagonize another 75-80M reasonablly balanced people.
Hell, all ye blood folks ought to propose a McCain-Blah blah 3rd party. Ought to be a real winner for ya all. Milestones
Persia's economy is multiple times that of Israel. If Persians are willing to return and money goes back into Persia, it will become the largest economy of the entire region. Israel has long overplayed its hand. Their paranoia of anihilation will drag the whole world into another war.
If the markets crash 50% or more this year it is because Zionist money pulled the plug. Keep that in mind. Very reminiscent of 2008 / 2009 and the 750 billion immediate cash withdrawal from money market funds. Subprime had nothing to do with it.
Israel's "paranoia of annihilation" is an act to cover their egomania for domination.
yup its all the jews fault. global poverty, unclean drinking water, the suppression of every arab in the middle east. please do go on might as well get it all out now.
drama queen.
Finally Stockman says something to which I can actually agree. Aside from AIPAC, there's NDIA...http://www.ndia.org/Pages/default.aspx
Supposedly, Senator Cotton, who provided the leadership for the treasonous Senate letter to Iran, is clearly reading a script prepared by the NDIA. War with Iran would be a fabulous business opportunity that needs to be pursued. Cotton is part of the new generation of hot-headed Neo-cons that see no need to separate defense policy from the defense industry... it will be good for America if they are one and the same.
Where is Eisenhower when we need him?
Maybe they shout Death To America because we have been nothing but cunts to that country for 60 years. Shah anyone????
apparently most of the idiots posting tonight, outraged.. bloodlusting for more bs wars.. never read the FOIA request where the CIA admitted coup d'tet in Iran?
www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
Long live the shaw!!!!!!!!!
You weren't there. You don't know.
I add this report from Rand Corp (a MIC think tank) that supports what Stockman is saying......
''The US-based RAND Corporation, which describes itself as "a nonprofit institution that helps improve policy and decisionmaking through research and analysis," produced a report in 2009 for the US Air Force titled, "Dangerous But Not Omnipotent : Exploring the Reach and Limitations of Iranian Power in the Middle East," examining the structure and posture of Iran's military, including its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and weapons both present, and possible future, it seeks to secure its borders and interests with against external aggression.
The report admits that:
Poppycock. Uncle Sugar is making nice with Iran because in 15 years Saudi will run out of oil and become as failed a state as Yemen. He needs another source of oil, stat, and is trying to woo Iran, which had a civilization long before oil was found, away from Russia.
Spitting in the faces of the Jews, who outlived their usefulness as a proxy a long time ago, and whom the banksters liked a lot better when a pogrom was a useful distraction from the consequences of their treachery and theft, is gravy.
The nukes are a red herring. Iran has the bomb already. That's why Israel hasn't attacked Iran herself.
Uncle Sugar won't get Iran as an ally---Tehran knows how faithless an ally he is, and isn't fooled for a moment. What he will do is drive Israel straight into Russia's camp, and not a moment too soon.
Clueless drivel, no basis in reality, sounds like desperate propaganda.
And after Two Hundred Years Together one hopes the Russians will take advantage of what they learned from the experience.
Wtf am i missing?
So its all propaganda and Iran actually loves the US? And the west?..
Its always been propaganda?
And they only Hate us because we cause trouble in the ME? And if we were out..there would be peace on earth...?
Why the fuck do I Not believe that?
Ive known for almost all my life not to believe everything you see/hear.
BUT. Fuck this article (if my summary is correct). And for bonus points..FUCK all you who agree with that position. Cuz last i checked ZH is The LAST place a bunch of tree huggin hippies should be hanging/commenting..
Then again.. with 'net neutrality'... we may have been compromised.
Fuck me.
If you like your propaganda, you can keep it!
What, you working for AIPAC?
A history lesson, left out of the propaganda you seem to prefer:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/07/understanding-irans-nuclear-ambit...
Is that you Cartman ? Did you even bother to read the article and think about it?
signed
Tree Hugging Hippie
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Just reality. Not really a big deal for 'americans'.
Besides, your TV still loves you.
"spurious propaganda thanks in large part to a lazy, gullible mainstream press"
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This is a brilliant article by David Stockman. Yet another one.
The guys a good writer, knows the facts and has a sharp mind.
Now, let's revisit the snippet from his article I highlighted at the beginning.
Is Stockman so clueless or naive to think that the MainStreamMedia is the way it is simply because it is "lazy and gullible"?
It seems obvious to me that there are certain areas Stockman just doesn't wish to address. Not recognizing what has become of the MSM in the U.S. is one of them. Are there other subjects he avoids? And how does that affect his overall credibility .... that he ignores an elephant in the room?
But of course you know that it was Iran that attacked America on 9/11...
I thought Israel was responsible for 9/11...
I guess we'll never know, since the investigation was a sham.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/911-commissioners-didnt-believe-g...
When did this place become the HuffingtonPost?
What, you thought this website had lots of true blue Republican readers? If you knew anything about the readers of this blog, you'd know that they are mostly libertarians, who are anti interventionist on foreign policy. You trying to rally the troops or something? Lesser of two evils tactic?
Get a clue. Here is how libertarians feel about foreign policy.
https://www.lp.org/issues/foreign-policy
Shit screed that has nothing to do with whether or not Iran is trying to develop nukes. Click bait crap.
You're kidding me with this drivel right? You want us to believe that Iran who's basically LIED for decades will not lie, obfuscate and twist things this time around? Fool me once shame on you, fool me the 100th time shame on me?
burp.
You eat propaganda for breakfast, right? You still believe Sadaam had weapons of mass destruction too? Long live the WAR ON TERROR! Be afraid, be VERY afraid...
I'm not sure I agree with the above characterizations of ZH. I skim ZH for the almost daily tid-bit of economic news that is not covered by the usual sources; but the constant diet of doom-porn, Putin-love, America-hate, Europe-hate, Joo-hate, etc. is a bit much. Basically, it's an anti- site. Anti-this, anti-that; a feeding frenzy for cranks and cynics. Somewhere along the way a lot of people duped themselves into thinking that cynicism is intellectualism. It's the lazy man's skepticism; something that was usually the territory of drunk blow-hards, but has somehow become the cool of gen-xers. It takes incredibly little brain power compared to genuine skepticism.
For example, when an article starts out calling its target "The War Party", it's over for me. The sheer stupidity of the phrase is a turn off ... as if Democrats haven't ever launched ill conceived military actions, taken massive donations from military industries, etc. There is no possibility for trustworthy commentary from that point on ... yet, for the cynic, this is call for a feeding frenzy. More brainless bla bla bla.
An example of brainless cynicism is the incredibly simplistic commentary on the apparant collapse of Canada's Real Estate because oil is in a glut phase. So much of the readership relishes the thought of collapsing Real Estate crushing Canada ... yet the whole premise is hilarious when viewed from Canada itself, where Real Estate markets are incredibly diverse and disimilar depending on region ... but because someone looks at 2 charts, makes ignorant generalizations, then writes an "article", they provide the doom-porn addicts with a feeding frenzie.
Sure, economic calamity is a possibility anywhere, and one may argue a necessary part of a vibrant and organic free economy ... but to drool over it and wish for it???? Get a fucking life.
Well, the democrats are still the bankster party. And the Big Pharma party, and the Big Ag party. They just seem to be backing away from being the Big ISRAEL party.
Of course, the War Party is already attacking Rand Paul for daring to agree with Obama on Iran, so I guess he gets no money from the Israel lobby and no chance to get the nomination.
He's damaged goods as far as I'm concerned, but check out the NYT article from this morning on Rand Paul: Why Rand Paul can't Win as a Libertarian, written by (what I'm sure is just a nom de plume) a certain Nate Cohn. You can't make this shit up.