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Russia To Offer Greece New Loans, Gas Price Discount
While Greece spent Easter weekend (not Orthodox Easter that is) assuring the IMF (the "institution", not the critical third member of the Troika that shall not be named) that the €450 million payment due to Christine Lagarde's "institution" will be made despite Greece officially (rather than just unofficially) running out of money and being forced to prioritize repaying its creditors over paying wages and pensions, its Prime Minister is currently evaluating what the Plan B will be when he visits Vladimir Putin tomorrow, one day ahead of the double Greek deadlines of IMF payment and cash running out.
As FT reports, "when Alexis Tsipras visits Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin on Wednesday there is a chance the Greek premier’s eastern manoeuvre will immediately bear fruit: kiwis, peaches and strawberries to be precise. Athens is hopeful that Moscow will lift a retaliatory ban on Greek soft fruits to demonstrate the abiding strength of Russo-Greek relations, just as both leaders feel a diplomatic chill with Europe over the Ukraine crisis and Athens’ bailout saga respectively."
Of course, every Greek request for a concession "quid" will be met with a proportional Russian quo, and it is this that worries European diplomats - namely will the Putin-Tsipras gladhanding amount to something more significant than fruit trade. "The big fear, in the words of one suspicious senior official, is a “Trojan horse” plot, where Russia extends billions in rescue loans in exchange for a Greek veto on sanctions — a move that would kill western unity over Ukraine."
No such shock is expected this week. But as Athens nears the brink of insolvency there is growing alarm that Mr Tsipras’s radical left government might turn to Moscow in desperation. It would set off the biggest panic over Greece’s strategic alignment since the 1947 US Marshall Plan, initiated to save the country from communist fighters that Mr Tsipras’ Syriza party lionise to this day.
Others are hoping that Tsipras visit is merely a, well, Trojan horse strawman, meant to instill fear in Europe that Russia can spread its tentacles to a country which is still a member of the Eurozone, and is merely a "ploy in bailout talks with Germany and the eurozone. In spite of historic cultural ties and Syriza’s Soviet romanticism, analysts think Greece is too tied to the west – through EU and Nato membership – and too deep in debt for sanctions-damaged Russia to buy it off as a reliable ally."
“The Greeks are using Russia as a way to piss off Berlin, to frighten them. Tsipras wants to show he has other options,” said Theocharis Grigoriadis, a Greece-Russia relations expert at the Free University of Berlin.
“But he has no intention of making Greece a Russian satellite. The Russians know that. The Germans know that. It is pure theatre, a Greek game, and I’m afraid it looks like a poodle trying to scare a lion.”
And that is 100% wrong, because every decision has a bid and an ask. And all it would take for Russia to expand its "satellite" nations by one more is to offer enough promises and gifts to a nation that has been on the verge of social and economic collapse of the past 5 years.
Such as a discount to all important energy prices and, even better, a replacement loan - one which comes with less "austere" conditions than anything Greece could get out of Europe. Which, according to Russian Kommersant as reported by Reuters, is precisely the carrot that Russia will dangle before the Greek PM. From Reuters:
Russia may offer Greece a discount on gas deliveries and new loans when Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras visits Moscow this week, the Kommersant business daily reported on Tuesday, citing one source in the Russian government.
A Kremlin spokesman said last week that Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tsipras planned to discuss economic ties and EU sanctions on Moscow when they meet for talks, which Kommersant said would take place on Thursday.
"We are ready to consider the issue of a gas price discount for Greece," the newspaper said quoting an unnamed Russian government source.
Russia's state-controlled producer Gazprom declined to comment. The Energy Ministry also declined to comment.
The source said that in exchange for the discount and some unspecified loans, Russia would want access to Greek assets. The source did not name any specific assets.
In recent weeks, the gas price charged by Gazprom has fallen, tracking lower oil prices. Gazprom said it wanted to acquire DEPA in 2013 but dropped its bid after failing to receive enough guarantees over DEPA's financial position.
So that is the Russian offer. The all important question remains: what will Russia request in return for these key concessions and will Greece be willing to accept it. Then again, running out of cash may just be impetus Greece needs to open up negotiating avenues which until recently it had said it would never cross as long as it is part of the Eurozone.
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The Anti-Bolshevik Federation is growing and gaining momentum.
Now it is time for Germany to act. Throw off the yoke of the holohoax, jettison all the New Bolshevik terrorists in Berlin and join the ABF and get this party rocking.
Yes, more loans and debt will fix everything for Greece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWyDgJlvbzE
Maybe Greece join Eurasian Customs Union :-)) worse things than that can happen for them ;-)
No wonder Soros and the NWO hate Putin. He is interfering with their continued looting of Greece.
Only way this would work is if Greece were to default on current debt. Otherwise it is just a different source of funds to pay off past unpayable debt, leading to finding someone to help pay off Russian debt in the not so distant future.
pods
russian base rights ! Debt for ships docking.
But would it just be Russian vessels, maybe others would like to join Russia [ not officially of course ] in helping Greece in a time of need and the MED can host SCO naval vessels.
The way the West is dealing with Greece is like dropping your bar of soap in the shower on purpose in Pelican Bay.
Some friends you got there, Zorba.
And people wonder why Vlad & Cie are having such "successes" in the Geo-Political Arena. The West is rotting itself from the inside out. Myopia.
Russia's deal is more constructive than anything the EU/IMF has to offer....the Greeks would be smart enough to take it.
You know terms of any Russian Deal? Straight pipeline to listen in on negotiations which have not taken place?
Hope the Greeks are just a bit smarter than you.
I hope that Putin does not offer Greece ANY DEAL.
I hope that Greece misses that April 9th payment to the IMF.
I hope that the DEFAULT sets off a chain reaction cascade of Derivative Market DEFAULTS and implodes the World's Financial Markets.
I hope it destroys the Western Financial System, the US Dollar Hegemony, and YOUR WORLD.
The smartest move for the Russians to do will be to do NOTHING...
...and let the West implode.
There is an alternative to SWIFT in place.
It can be implemented rapidly.
World War III is won without firing a Nuke.
That is the best result.
They won't default as they just laid down on table a bill for war damage. Germans owe the Greeks €278bn :) How much was Greek debt, something like that? So they are sorted, debt free.
I am slightly disappointed with new Greek leadership. I was expecting more imagination than this. Something fresh and radical, but this is tame and boring.
The best outcome for everyone (except the EUrocrat looters) would be to find an asset that Brussels wants liquidated at price favorable to the banksters, and yet is of strategic (not just military or financial) value to the Russians and get them to offer above market terms (and hopefully lift the price of other Greek assets). A port (and connected rail lines) would be an ideal candidate, particularly if Russia wants a literal inroad to the EU, as well as a potential military base and commercial cash flow (all that pipeline steel has to be offloaded somewhere), and it would piss of certain people up north to no end... (And what's the Troika going to say, "We didn't actually want you to sell that port for the highest price possible?")
UR, are you sure you aren't simplifying a tad too much, there? btw, being left with bad debt incurred by others does not fit my definition of "looters"
My oversimplification tries to bridge the gap between "bases" which aren't necessarily military and what sort of financial support Russia might be able to justify and afford through a combination of public and private "investment".
As to the holders of that substantial bad debt, if the primary concern was actually repayment of the interest and principle, then forced asset sales in adverse market conditions and prior to inevitable restructuring are always a poor choice. Perhaps "looters" could be replaced by "idiots", but I don't believe the latter is accurate, even if they are just trying to "kick the can".
And don't forget a piece of the pie with that pipeline.
Yes, you're right. With a new source of funding, Greece will be able to default on debt, since it no longer is held hostage to the EU. Of course, a default wil send shockwaves (understatement alert) through the global economy. A more productive scenario for Greece and Russia- use the POSSIBILITY (threat) of default to hold the West hostage, in return for Ukraine to be brought back into the arms of Russia.
Russia to the rescue!
>>> Only way this would work is if Greece were to default on current debt. Otherwise it is just a different source of funds to pay off past unpayable debt
Absolutely. 100% correct.
Default on the banksters and Russia will pay current account expenses. In Rubles. One country two currencies.
Condition of Russian to default on EU debt first. Then Greece gets into gas delivery business and Europeans pay Greece for gas.
Greece may also allow Russia a military base in return. What a flip of events.
At least Russia CAN buy peoples/nation's love and affection.
All the JooSA has to offer is bombs and poisonous loans.
Hallowed are the ori! +1
Fudge, just ask the average Greek if joining the EU was a good idea. Make sure you are wearing earplugs.
They benefitted massively, think of all subsidies. A result....well, it is still a dumb.
When Greek GDP went up 5% due to Olympic games in 2004, it was time to question soundness of their economy or financial decision making. I have no info, but I bet those magnificient stadions are more or less useless now, but cost massive amounts to prevent them from ruining.
yes, do ask the average Greek. funny that, they still have a majority for the EU
then ask the same average Greek if he or she prefers to have their EUR switched to Drachmas
the amount of bs generated by this story is beyond me. the ZH commentariat has completely stopped caring for any facts
the current Greek government would love to have a popular majority support for leaving the EU and the euro. but they haven't it. at least not yet. and this is a fact
Hmm, disinformation agent at work:
ask the average Greek. funny that, they still have a majority for the EU
but you didn't mention the Euro here!!
Greek government would love to have a popular majority support for leaving the EU and the euro
and suddenly EU and Euro are only mentioned together!
Your propaganda is getting so disingenious...
??? Are you serious ???
there is still a majority for both. so my syntax is quite irrelevant
"He only beats me because he luvs me!" Check yer premises.
According to this, from 1981 - 1995 it did not help Greece:
From 1981 to 1995 growth rates in the EU were relatively high and Greece experienced divergence. Yet, our results are deeper: in this regime, Greece lost by joining. The opening up of uncompetitive industry was too early and the Commission’s Opinion about Greek traditional agriculture and highly protected manufacturing seems to have been vindicated. In this period, unchecked regulation was allowed to flourish and take root. It extended to various industries and professions making Greece one of the most expensive and cumbersome countries in which “to do business” in Europe.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/31/greece-is-a-far-more-willin...
You didnt read it perhaps .
1) giving gas discount will make Turk Stream ( an alternative to South Stream ) more lucrative . Its supposed to be built by 2018/19 bypassing Ukraine as a transit state . Turk stream will end in greece from there its EU responsibility to get it done further .
2) exempting Greece from ban on fruits and vegetables except other EU nations is a good move . It'll help greeks to export something and make money . I expect baltic fleas will try to smuggle their stuff via greece into russia .
3) Providing loan guarantees to greece is a bit skeptical . As they cant pay it or maybe russia dont want them to pay back and act as a trojan horse for them . Well but you can't blame russia for that ( what bibi and nato rooters usually do ) , these nation s were fucked by your own western bankers . It's just a start first PIIGS then slowly others . Don't worry baltic scum will keep on sucking bankers dick .
Bottom line: Greece has a way out of the "Prisoner's Dilemma," the only downside: pissing off the EU! Putin's got a pair of aces showing, also.
As part of 1st April jokes, some websites in Greece had circulated the false information that Tsipras is about to request the participation of Greece in the Eurasian Economic Union! However, such a perspective should not surprise us eventually! The Greek government may choose to show that there is no point to stay in the eurozone under such catastrophic conditions imposed by the lenders. There is no rule that forbids Greece to be part of the EU (not eurozone), while at the same time participate in other country formations, anyway.
Maybe Greece join Eurasian Customs Union :-)) worse things than that can happen for them ;-)
Does Eurasian Customs Union mean that they don't have to pay for the goods? It will make imports of everything into Free Shit Army provisions?
Great way to teach Western Europe a much needed lesson: bailing them out of their Greek problem.
That will sure teach Brussels and Frankfurt! What's it say? "Fine, lend out sh*t and create a flawed common currency, someone else will bail you out so you can continue 'business as usual'".
Debt, aka 'wealth transfer from the future', no longer works and is routinely abused. Yet, any bailout by Russia would be allowing the game to continue on and we all know the longer we hold off paying the piper, the more drastic future costs will be.
Given the hostilities with the US over the Ukraine, Russia can't afford any long term financial support for Greece, however a Sino-Russian deal with Greece could be in the pipeline. Empires can often be looked at as a protection rackets. If the marxists tried to force US-NATO out, Russia would have great difficulty in protecting Greece from those who covet Greek territory - FYROM & Russia's old enemy Turkey. Access by air and sea could be cut off by the US-NATO. Russia doesn't want to be placed in a position where the US can humiliate her .i.e Serbia 1999. Russian deployment of nuclear weapons to Greece is not feasible - the US would go ballistic over such a move. Russia will make use the situation to bolster Russo-Greek relations.
You're right, it wouldn't make sense for Russia to shovel money into the Greek black hole until after they default. And Greece cannot default until they have assurances of financial backstop from Russia (and, implicitly, China) to make a drachma viable. Or maybe Greece adopts the ruble or possibly even the yuan. Deployment of nukes into Greece is unnecessary, that's what subs are for.
Turkey is already drifting towards Russia with the Turk Stream project and will stay out of the way. Greece and Turkey are the soft underbelly of NATO and Russia is offering them carrots instead of sticks.
Ukraine is a separate issue, the price for the US to release its foothold would be Russian submission.
Bingo, Greece! Check, dear EU!
Greece is already in default there is not anything to take. The people of the country would have to all in unison take out multigenerational loans to pay Germany and live in slavish bondage for the next 250 years. That will not happen. People will revolt and the state will collapse long before. The EU will continue this toddler government training wheel program until satisfactory compliance is found or a color revolution is injected..
The reality is the Greece government should trade fruit for sea cans full of guns and start arming their population and abolish all taxes and incarcerate on the spot any government official from the EU.
Let the EU eat cake.
Some of those islands in the Aegean Sea would make VERY nice mini-bases.
Ooh, any of them have secret underground volcano bases? :>D
Next up, sharks with frikkin' LASER beams on their heads!
Can't see the forest through trees asshat? Russia will get a navy base in Greece, that's worth something to the Russians. The Greek people are fucked regardless.
Short term its money and debt
Long term its an alliance vs. Western Hegemony
Wondering why Western Hegemony spies on everyone world wide through its NSA agents??
Et tu, Turkey?
But if you are accused of a thought crime in Germany are you allowed a defence ? Just asking . Oh yes Free Sylvia Stolz !
so when Russia buys votes and influence it's ok, but when the EU and US do it it's the core of all that's evil and should be banished from existence...
looks like it's just the nature of the game to me...
No, it is not okay. But if it helps take down our masters then so be it.
The enemy of my enemy is my temporary bestie.
"meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
Obama vs. Putin;
http://d1w116sruyx1mf.cloudfront.net/ee-assets/gsd/funnies/Yes-we-can.jpg
Waiting for the Euro to get slammed in 3...2...1...
Greeks are fools if they do not tell the USA and puppet EU to fuck off.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Zionism 101 - The enemy of my enemy is someone to be suckered into attacking my enemy, preparably at no cost to me.
what will greece promise in return? LOL now that's a head scratcher..warm water bases, pipeline access..welcome russian tourists..what's EU-nato to offer in return? debt.
the current crop of pols in greece would be nuts to not do it. or paid off not to (most likely)
momentum
They best get those nailguns off the street and bar any government employee from going any flight of stairs (or use an elevator) before they implement this.
Swapping pimps sure, but hey Greece has enormous value to Putin and Greece can expect much better treatment at first, at least until the next defection.
the rabbi of tel aviv washington and the shitty of london need the greek childrens for
caananite ritual slaughter.
they need fresh organs for harvest ing init
BT Kiddushin 66c: “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.”
Considering that Montenegro is trying hard to score some brownie points with NATO by pushing against Russia and Russian tourists (who are coincidentaly one of the biggest spenders when abroad) Russia's tourist pivot to Greece would make perfect sense.
Time to tell the Eurocrats to shove it. Default on the loans and consider the Russian offer.
Pimp A offers this....but pimp B offers this...
Let the Russians underwrite the Greeks. The more burdens the Russian taxpayer has, the quicker Putin will fall from power.
a mental giant you are. LMAO
Great Strategic Move by Russia, but NATO, EU, and USA will hate it and will respond very strongly.
USA always wants to make an ass out of themselves anyway.
1947 - Official US War on Communism started, to support Greece & Turkey
I'm thinking US has been involved in Greece from 1947 till 1990s and Greece is still a strategic Location in Isolating or containing Russia... Just like Turkey and Ukraine.
Have to Predict a big Escalation or a big pull on Greece back to the EU.
Interesting Teeth, the 1947 official anti-communism push and Greece and Turkey as key countries there.
Some things make much more sense now...
Bingo. Greece has always been a strategic location. The Greeks know this. Russia would like another navy base, one in Greece would have value.
Value is an understatement. A warm water port in the Mediterranean Sea is extremely strategic.
They would still have to deal with Straits of Gilbraltar for access to the North Atlantic Ocean.
But they could challenge US Navy dominance over a much wider geographical area and influence the Middle East as well as North African regional disputes.
Can you imagine Russian Nuke Subs routinely off of the Southern Coast of France?
The SLBMs are a much graver threat on shallow trajectories to Western Europe then the land based regional tactical Nukes deployed on the western Russian border.
That will give massive headaches to USAFRICOM, USCENTCOM, and USEUCOM Pentagram...er...Pentagon Commanders and strategists.
It will be a blow to the Global Military Dominance plans of the United States, the Unified Combatant Command, as it will upset the balance of power.
So at what cost is the United States prepared to pay to have Goldman Sachs and Citibank continue the Financial Repression of Greece?
We can pay for it directly with Loan Forgiveness. Or we can pay trillions as a result of future Military expenditures.
But I am sure that our US Congress will be Cent wise and Dollar foolish. They rarely dissappoint me at this stage.
War on Communism was to stop countries from becomming East Germany.
Greeks would have had prosperity under a dictator such as Tito or a Nicolae Ceau?escu?
Greeks should still be thankful for the support that prevented that.
War on Communism? You going throw out Dean Rusk's "containment" and "domino" theory too? Comical.
Calling you a simpleton is an insult to simpletons everywhere.
America to whine like Bitch with Western Friends, Offer World War III.
Yep, its sad to see the West devolving into one huge collective whining bitch.
WHY WONT WE GET OUR WAY? WAAAH WAHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHH!!!
Sanctions! Tantrums! Until we get our way.
Diplomacy is no longer a strong point.
Well electing...er...selecting a feminist homosexual as our "glorious leader"...er... frontman, certainly demonstrates weakness and pussification as an attribute of the American populace and electorate.
sounds as legit as anything the troika could come up with
Putin kicks ass!
Tsipras should look elsewhere outside the EU if the EU are going to play blackmail. Fuck em. Turkey for all its flaws, realized the EU was a lost cause and turned East-ward.
When you're no longer made to feel welcome by someone, you turn around and walk away towards someone who does. Its human nature.
Fuck the EU, let them keep squabbling and fidgeting while Rome burns. Better get out first than be the fool getting out last out of this cult.
Fuck the EU, that sounds familiar...
First Putin takes Greece, then Putin takes Italy, Spain and Portugul.
And for dessert, the Irish coffee
There's no real benefit to Russia, yeah they may get the Greece veto within the EU but then Russia will be left holding Greek debt the Greeks still can't pay back. Until Greece sorts out it's own internal problems, like collecting taxes, getting its public sector costs under control, boosting its exports, it's still going to be a basket case. Yes tell the Troika to go to hell but they need to sort their country out first before anyone should lend them more money.
I'm sure the Russians are playing this one cunningly. Unlike Western politicians who don't really think before they act, the Russiand and Chinese think before they act.
My guess is that the Russians will offer to extend a hand and keep the Greek government afloat for a few more months, bit by bit, no big stupid bailouts. Who would want to bailout a bankrupt government? The Russians will get an ally within the Eurozone, buy a veto, and gain yet another bargaining chip with the West at almost no cost but as a result of the sheer stupidity of the West and its inability to get its own house in order. Law of unintended consequences is a real bitch.
They're trying to sort their country first, it's the troika that keeps demanding more pointless austerity. If they default on all loans and are kept afloat by Russia and China, start developing their ports (Chinese are part-owners of Piraeus port and want to expand it substantially so they can use it as a gateway towards Europe), start developing their energy sector (Russia slots in nicely here), stop pointless bickering with Turkey which means no more arms sales for France, Germany and USA (Cyprus negotiations just restarted, Turkey is in good terms with Putin already)...
There you go. Compare all this to slashing wages and depressing the economy some more - what good is that? Might as well poison the water supply and be done with it.
I think the ultimate goal of Tsipras is to play a game of ping-pong with EU and Russia, with Greece being the ball, for as long as the ball is in play both players are interested in keeping the ball in the air and both are concentrating on outwitting each other instead of paying attention which way the ball is spinning.
It's a case of a weaker but smarter entity playing off 2 Bigger stronger entites against each other in the hope of profit. I hope Putin puts some very hard conditions on the table to "fire test" Tsipras and if he blinks just show him the door.
Even if ping pong is the game on Tsipras mind, its better than playing the "being someone's browbeaten bitch" card. Tito used this strategy and Yugoslavia benefitted very well from both Western and Soviet technoogy. But Tito wasn't running a bankrupt nation, unlike Tsipras, which means time is NOT on his side.
Putin midget-tossing Merkel over the bar? First it was Obama with the China bank, now the 'de-euro-ing' of Merkel. Hell hath no fury like a keynesian scorned!!!
The midget being tossed is Tsapass. ViralFukus is the corner man to fix the cuts.
Yes. The ironic beauty is that those two socialists are in a position to bring Western Civilation down to its knees and prove out, one and for all, that socialism collapses not just Governments but entire civilizations.
Go get them Augustus. April 9th is just two days from now.
The results of the shock will take about 6 months to work its way through the Financial Institutions...oh...about around the end of September?
LMAO
I don't think we are seeing the real deal. It would make more sense for Russia to allow Greece to default and then exit the Euro. Then provide loans to support the new Drachma. Makes more sense, discredits the Troika, and shows the rest of the Pigs a better way forward.
Greece would have access to Russian food markets, a Russian base, new loans, no debt, gas pipeline, Chinese and Russian investors, and a new protector. What's not to like besides the expression on Merkel's face as she tackles a derivative bomb.
The EU has 2 options:
1) GREEEEECE my best friend! Let us bail you out soonest and offer even more favorable loan arangements, to get you away from those evil Russians! We need you in here and not over there.
2) FINE! You wanna go to the Russians? Then go. We won't have any of this Malakia any longer. Get out of the EZ and go join your Russian and Chinese pals, pal.
Interesting drama unfolding.
EU trades GR for UE.
sounds like a winner to me.
Exactamundo...
Meethinks the best bet is to let Greece default, and provide three valuable possibilities on the other side which provide a viable future:
1) pipleline terminus to the rest of Europe
2) the first ex-EU country to sign up for the new Chinese Silk Road, and in a economically very strategic spot bridging east and west (even more so than Turkey!)
3) respite for Greek produce from the Russian counter embargo
No free lunch here, but the long term prospects from 1) & 2) (assuming there isn't a nuclear war!) are pretty good...
talk, talk, talk.
Moscow .... is a Muslim base .... so is Anchorage, Alaska .... Pocatello, Idaho .... and yes Greece still has a Muslim problem ! Putin still has time for the Ukraine, Estonia and Greece .... clean up the mess at home .... Poooootin !
Bibi's pet hasbara jimmies rustled .
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 28, 2015 Readout of the President’s Call with Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras of GreeceThe President spoke with Prime Minister Tsipras today to congratulate him on his recent election victory. The President noted that the United States, as a longstanding friend and ally, looks forward to working closely with the new Greek government to help Greece return to a path of long-term prosperity. The two leaders also reviewed close cooperation between Greece and the United States on issues of European security and counterterrorism......
so according to the above, Obama is taking an IMF haircut for Greece....for the sake of western democracy, liberty and equality....and the Nobel Price for Peace....
or will that be Russia ? or maybe Iran ? or perhaps Israel ?
someone will, anything is possible.
WR;)
Vlad is offering discounted Judo flips for Zero Hedgers who come to his summer palace and spend a little quality time with him.
Your cousin netenyahoo is offering discounted slots in the annual Shoot A Palestinian Child In The Back event.
what a child you are. lmao
Don't you wonder how much the website collects based on clicks from the Paid Puutie Puppies posting here?
Dang, people get paid???
Judging from his trolling efforts, not much.
I guess greece does have money after all now that it has a new pimp in putin...im sure the germans are laughing their asses off
"im sure the germans are laughing their asses off"
really?
"The big fear, in the words of one suspicious senior official, is a “Trojan horse” plot, where Russia extends billions in rescue loans in exchange for a Greek veto on sanctions — a move that would kill western unity over Ukraine"
seems to be a very short-sighted view and not very imaginative. a GR veto on UE is worthless with all the decisions coming out of the ussa anyway.
RU, imo, is going to make this very interesting. Maybe showing the Italians, Spanish, Irish and Portugese a way out.
chess not checkers.
now where is CN in all of this?
Russia is Kmart.
Greece is Sears.
A merger of equals.
We can take 'em!
Posting did not explain DEPA which is a Greek private natural gas distribution network. Last year it was put up for sale which attracted no bidders due to opaque financial condition. However, DEPA continually seeks discounts from Gazprom and would be a strategic prize for russia's desire to supply EU with natural gas.
Surprised Hunter Biden was not put on Board of Directors of DEPA. I guess Daddy has more influence in Ukraine, although both countries are bankrupt.
Hopefully for Gazprom's sake any contract will be heavily conditional, while they wait for results from their army of forensic accountants.
I guess the greeks will be learning russian instead of german.
Synthesis/Antithesis, that is how dialectics work.
Release the Dogs and then extend a helping hand. Oh please help me so the dogs don't bite me! In this way, the NWO banksters play on our fears.
But, notice that DEBT MEANS WILL NOT BE GIVEN UP.
Debt means are how the Bankster New World Order Illuminist Cabal works. They want to create and hold the debt instruments. They want to attach these debt intruments to populations. By creating and holding debt intruments, you and civilizations become slaves.
So, Greece is pushed from one debt system into another? Of course, the China/Russia system is a better debt system than the Western Debt system
If nobody is talking about debt free money, or if they aren't talking about releasing debts, then it is not serious. It is more of the same dialectic. The NWO wants debt means, and they want it to be "international." The international Jew (zionism) won in WW2, and they aren't about to give up now.
It is more NWO bankster bullshit.
Why is their debt system better. What in Chinese and Russian history would ever give you that idea?
These two nations have killed and enslaved more people in this world, and more of their own people than any other.
You need to take a deep breath and put on your thinking cap.
It's called playing one creditor against another. Greece is already doing this with IMF vs EuroZone debts - now they can add in the Russians and really make things confused. It will make repayment stretch out that much longer.
Russian don't have alarming debt and China economy is a working economy not like usa .
What you've to back your claim that they have killed more than muricans pisshead ?
Talking about your glorious murica
Study: U.S. regime has killed 20-30 million people since World War Two
that's hell of a kill streak .
Tsisparas in Moscow on Tuesday, Greels celebrate Easter from Wednesday inwards (Orthodox Easter is this weekend not last like ours). In Greece all the bnaks close Wednesday afternoon for a week. Markets, everything. Plenty of time to default, load the cashpoints with Drachma and convert everybody's bank accounts and there is nothing the international markets can do because the country is closed.
Many years ago was in Athens during religious holidays. It was one big party with free drinks and food at restaurants, dancing and music throughout the night. Now it is reality time for the Greeks.
Greece default on Eurodebt and sets off a mini derivative explosion, gets a start-up loan from Russia to return to drachma. Russia gets another Med Port in a more stable neighborhood like a Cuba in the Med.
Spain and Portugal look on and go "Hmmm".
The EZ goes shithouse along with NATO and kick Greece out but there's nothing anyone will do about it with Russia parked at the curb. The Greeks end up with a part-Russian owned pipeline (wink wink) passing through to Europe which makes the Russian-Greek owned (wink wink again) drilling rigs off the coasts of Greece very profitable for both parties.
Greece can continue to be a failed state for another 10-15 years or so until the Russians foreclose.
Keeping the Socialist Dream alive for a while.
Who knows, maybe Greece will be better off with the Russians, especially if Greece can tap into those offshore drilling rigs. Back in 2013 the Russians offered Ukraine a better deal than Europe did; maybe Russia will offer Greece easier terms, too. Worth a try.
Greek import and export trade has dried up at the Port of Thessaloniki, although it's still doing a roaring business as a hub for Balkan countries. The Syriza Party and business leaders are supporting a bid by Russian state-owned railways to take over the port authority despite Brussels' misgivings.
http://www.dw.de/port-of-thessalonki-up-for-grabs/av-18365113
Greece puts a price tag on WW2 reparations: 279 billion euros
Athens has said Germany should pay nearly 279 billion euros in compensation for the Nazi occupation of the country. The claim comes as Greece faces demands from the IMF to introduce more pension cuts and raise taxes.
Greece demanded 278.7 billion euros ($304.74) from Germany as compensation for damages it incurred during World War Two, Athens deputy finance minister Dimitris Mardas said while speaking to a parliamentary committee on Monday.
According to calculations by Greece's General Accounting Office, reparations amounted to 278.7 billion euros, a sum which a parliamentary panel set up by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras was trying to claim from Germany.
Germany has rejected Athens' demands, saying it settled the matter with a general compensation payment of 115 million deutschmarks in 1960. However, the issue continues to mar Greek-German relations and has gained more momentum amid Greece's economic crisis and its government's refusal to implement austerity measures.
http://www.dw.de/greece-puts-a-price-tag-on-ww2-reparations-279-billion-...
Greek finance minister promises prompt IMF repayment
Greece has agreed to repay its debt to the International Monetary Fund due this week, according to the Fund's director. Christine Lagarde held informal discussions with Greece's finance minister in Washington.
Greece's Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis met with the head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Christine Lagarde, in Washington for what was described as an “informal discussion on the Greek government's reform program.”
This week, Greece has to repay more than 450 million euros ($494 million) to the IMF. After the meeting on Sunday, Yanis Varoufakis said Greece "intends to meet all obligations to all its creditors, ad infinitum."
Varoufakis told reporters the government also plans to "reform Greece deeply" and to try to improve the "efficacy of negotiations" with its creditors.
All told, Greece owes 320 billion euros, with close to 20 billion euros in payments coming due in the next six months.
After the meeting, IMF Director Christine Lagarde commented: "I welcomed confirmation by the Minister that payment owing to the Fund would be forthcoming on April 9," Lagarde said.
She said due diligence efforts in Athens and talks with teams in Brussels over the terms of Greece's bailout would "resume promptly on Monday."
Last Wednesday, Athens sent a more detailed list of reforms to institutions representing the creditors - the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the IMF.
EU officials have said that progress had been made in talks but more work was needed for a deal to be reached.
"The Fund remains committed to work together with the authorities to help Greece return to a sustainable path of growth and employment," Lagarde added.
jm/gsw (Reuters, AFP)
http://www.dw.de/greek-finance-minister-promises-prompt-imf-repayment/a-...
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Those crazy Russians, they are worried about helping Greece, when they can't even stop their own nuclear submarines from spontaneously catching fire, what a cuntry. Now we all feel safe, with imbeciles like this possessing nuclear weapons
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/arts_n_ideas/news/article/nuclear-submarin...
Russia says not to worry, no problem with reactor, sounds like we have heard this before, see Chernobyl..
Done with your claptrap imbecile ?
mr nuke isis now.
i have taken the uss liberty to refer your location details to the simon weassel spielberg centre.
your anti semetic remarks about isis are typical nazi hitler hate.
isis are jewish rabbi you are in trouble fella.
Hey Tony, tke the dick out of your mouth I cant understand you, you fucking moron...fuck you
If you could ever stop sucking off Putin, and/or keep his dick out of your ass...you'd realize that your arrgument makes about as much sense as Russia being trusted to bein possession of nuclear weapons....both are a very bad idea, you fucking cocksucker
"what will Russia request in return"
Why corrupt putin oligarh regime demands Greece assets - it's blood!
“We are also ready to discuss the possibility of granting Greece new loans. But here we, in turn, are interested in reciprocal moves – in particular, in Russia receiving particular assets in Greece.”
"Russian media said the Greek gas company DEPA could be among them. Stakes in train operator TrainOSE and sea ports in Athens and Thessaloniki are also potential targets."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11519651/Russia-ready-to-of...
For corrupt putin oligarh regime it's normal to sell out your country.
Watch this with ENG subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0DEbJitRaY
The deeper roots of Latvia as a failed state
I see you're scared of truth. That's good - you should be!
I know how oblivious you're . Still stuck on western msm propaganda and random utube videos as irrefutable proof ( just like us state deptt .)
Why don't you back those same sources when they got exposed reporting lies ?
A CIA operative told Washington Post editor Philip Graham … in a conversation about the willingness of journalists to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories:
You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.
It seems Baltic fleas are dumb enough to see past it or simply ignorant enough . Your powers of visual interpretation are seriously wanting. No worries though. The world also needs idiots and morons.
Lots of nice harbors and coves for Russian subs. and Orthodox crescent twixt the buttcheeks of the AngloAmerican Zionist Banking Empire.
The front line is everywhere.
everyone should have an opportunity to lose money in Greece. The Russians are no exception
Man Russia's arm must be tired after getting so much exercise with their pimp hand.
In response to those who took exception with his claims that the Ukrainian crisis involved “outside agitators,” Oliver Stone took to social media to advance his argument, saying that Ukrainians are the victims of a US strategy akin to Cold War 2.0.
This week, Stone stirred a political firestorm with his views on what he believed sparked the Ukrainian crisis, following a private interview with Viktor Yanukovich, the former Ukrainian president who was ousted in the February 2014 coup.
"It seems clear that the so-called ‘shooters’ who killed 14 policemen, wounded some 85 and killed 45 protesting civilians, were outside, third-party agitators,” Stone said, following his four-hour conversation with Yanukovich in Moscow. “Many witnesses, including Yanukovich and police officials, believe these foreign elements were introduced by pro-Western factions – with CIA fingerprints on it.”
According to the American-born filmmaker and writer, Ukraine is just the latest country in a long list to fall prey to “America’s soft power technique called ‘Regime Change 101.’”
Stone’s comments reverberated like an earthquake on both sides of the Ukrainian divide, prompting him to elaborate on his original statement. Stone’s follow-up post began with him explaining that he has no particular sympathy for Yanukovich.
“For those of you angry with my analysis of Ukraine yesterday, please try to understand the bigger picture I’m offering,” he wrote on his Facebook page. “I have no brief for Viktor Yanukovich, he may well be the most corrupt president Ukraine’s ever had. Ukraine has a dramatic history of corruption. That is not my point.”
However, he went on to argue that there is “ample evidence of pro-Western, third-party interference” in Ukraine, specifically mentioning Victoria Nuland and John McCain, two high-ranking American officials who appeared on the streets of central Kiev at the height of the Maidan showdown between police and protesters.
He also mentioned specific US government organizations, such as USAID, which has been operating in Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the National Endowment for Democracy, which he remarked “apparently organize very well on Facebook and Twitter,” suggesting a possible method of organizing the protesters for an anti-government rally.
READ MORE: ‘CIA fingerprints’ all over Kiev massacre – Oliver Stone
Stone asked the question why so many Ukrainian policemen were killed and wounded during the occasionally violent rallies, “Yet no one has investigated this in the new government?”
Indeed, there has been much speculation that the so-called Maidan snipers were working in the pay of those who were trying to orchestrate the protests, and it was their aim to shoot members from both sides to trigger deeper social unrest.
To emphasize his point that the US has been playing games in Ukraine for a long time, Stone made a historical reference to 1949, when Defense Secretary James Forrestal, together with the cooperation of the CIA, created a guerrilla force codenamed ‘Nightingale’ that was comprised of ultra-nationalist Ukrainians.
For five years, according to Stone, the CIA was parachuting Ukrainian infiltrators into the country.
Stone implored his audience to see the “big picture,” which is that the United States “has never given up on using Ukraine as a launching pad to the underbelly of the Soviet Union, now a reduced Russia.”
“This Cold War 2.0 policy continues in a most deadly fashion, and whether they know it or not, the Ukrainian civilian population in the middle has suffered greatly from this ideological crusade,” Stone said.
http://rt.com/news/219211-stone-ukraine-us-policy/
This was so predictable even I was able to predict it
Published time: April 07, 2015 02:09
Edited time: April 07, 2015 14:43
A Ukrainian-born pianist was barred from playing at Canada’s Toronto Symphony Orchestra (TSO) for expressing views on the situation in Ukraine via Twitter, according to the soloist herself. The move led to a social media storm tagged #LetValentinaPlay.
READ MORE: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi leader becomes top military adviser, legalizes fighters
The orchestra has officially announced its decision to drop pianist Valentina Lisitsa from its Rachmaninoff Concerto #2 program earlier this week. TSO President and CEO Jeff Melanson cited “ongoing accusations of deeply offensive language by Ukrainian media outlets,” adding that Lisitsa’s “provocative comments” had allegedly “overshadowed past performances.”
In the statement, Melanson seems to be referring to Lisitsa’s Twitter posts, in which she expresses her views on the situation in Ukraine.
Lisitsa turned to Facebook on Monday with a plea, asking her fans for support to “tell Toronto Symphony that music can’t be silenced.”
“Someone in the orchestra top management, likely after the pressure from a small but aggressive lobby claiming to represent Ukrainian community, has made a decision that I should not be allowed to play,” she wrote, referring to her TSO performances on Wednesday and Thursday. “I don’t even know who my accusers are, I am kept in the dark about it.”
Lisitsa said she took to Twitter to shed some light on the other side of the story, “the one you never see in the mainstream media – the plight of my people, the good and bad things that were happening in Ukraine.”
READ MORE: ‘Rather be in prison than work for fascists’ – Crimean Prosecutor Poklonskaya
Some of her work included translating Ukrainian-language websites and eyewitness accounts. “I became really good in unmasking fakes published by Western media,” Lisitsa said.
Her statement also gives a brief summary on her actual views: “The worst thing that can happen to any country is fratricide war, people seeing each other, their neighbors as enemies to be eliminated …[a] Year later, we have the same rich people remaining in power, misery and poverty everywhere, dozens of thousands killed, over a million of refugees.”
After expressing her views, Lisitsa claimed to have received numerous death threats. The last straw was the decision to drop her performance: “My haters didn’t stop there.
Trying, in their own words, to teach me a lesson, they have now attempted to silence me as a musician.”
Lisitsa has a substantial following on YouTube and Twitter. One of her most popular videos – Beethoven’s ‘Moonlight Sonata’ – has over 9 million views. Due to her successful online career, she is sometimes referred to as “the web’s favorite pianist.”
Lisitsa revealed that TSO offered to cover her entire fee for the canceled program, if she chose to stay silent about the reason behind the decision.
“They even threatened me against saying anything about the cause of the cancellation … If they do it once, they will do it again and again, until the musicians, artists are intimidated into voluntary censorship,” she wrote.
The reaction on Twitter was massive, with the hashtag #LetValentinaPlay surging in popularity and thousands of supporters speaking out.
Kiev launched a military operation in Donbass in the southeast of Ukraine last April after locals rejected the new coup-imposed authority in the capital and demanded more autonomy.
Since then, the death toll has climbed to over 6,000, as the conflict between the Ukrainian government and the self-proclaimed People’s Republics of Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) continues.
One of the major latest developments was the peace deal brokered on February 12 by Russia, France and Germany between the sides of the Ukrainian conflict, which led to a decrease in hostilities. The agreements were signed in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, and called for a ceasefire, the withdrawal of heavy weaponry and prisoner exchange.
READ MORE: Moscow calls for additional weapons withdrawal in E. Ukraine
However, some have criticized the lack of progress since the agreements were signed.
Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said the political dialogue between Kiev and the rebels has not even started. The issues, “which were agreed in Minsk and aren’t at all implemented include amnesty, special status [for Donetsk and Lugansk], lifting of the economic blockade and the launch of the political process,” Lavrov said.
http://rt.com/news/247297-canada-orchestra-pianist-ukraine/
Toronto Symphony really has its head unbelievably far up its ass....
Even at the height of the cold war in 1958, with a blue ribbon Russian jury
stacked in favor of a Russian pianist winning Russia's First International
Tchaikovsky Competition, when the jury asked Khruschev whether they
would be allowed to award the first prize to an American-Van Cliburn,
Khruschev replied:"Is he the best?..Then give him the prize!"
Russia admirably dealt with the Chernobyl disaster unlike the Japanese stooges who still haven't a handle on Fukushima... Russians are a crafty and capable people!
In World War II B-29 pilots bailed out over Eastern Russia after bombing Japan. They were all returned back to the states well fed, happy and impressed with Russian women.
Do you know what happened to the B-29 crews that bailed out over Japan? Usually they were
1. shot while in their parachute harnesses
2. hacked to death with shovels by Jap locals
3. beheaded by Jap Army Officers
4. worked to death
5. and in the worst possible fucking thing imaginable, dissected while still alive for medical experiements
6. I forgot, a few of them were eaten by some Japs
well we sure got even didn't we?
fying 125,000 civilians, mostly women and children in one night in Tokyo.
then there were those really bad civilians in those other 2 cities who got fried in the big boy micrwave machine.
as the great firy meister curtis lemay hisself said afterward:
"..
There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders
...
Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier.
..."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay
so what's a born-again x-tian to take away as a moral lesson?
don't lose wars?
curtis lemay has alread faced judgement - as will the born-agains of today for their support of the mass killing of unarmed women and children is aggressive wars fought for satanic masters.
greece joins brics
?Greece demands €278bn WWII reparations from Germany - more than its debt to EUhttp://rt.com/news/247353-greece-germany-reparations-billions/
if greece is owed 278b
then putin should demand
5 trillion
why did germany give israel 5 nuke submarines and is also paying monies to israel until 2070 if not for guilt and compensation.
they need to stop paying israel or pay out to all in full.
britain should then be forced to pay compensation for it's use of city burn fire bombs over germany.
the zionist rabbi need to repay all of us for fuckishima future cancers
I just don't see why Russia would want to prop up the EU/ECB/IMF and western banks by funding Greek debt payments? As others have said, require a default first...then agree to fund and trade and partner based on that prerequisite. Otherwise Russia is just as likely to get played by the Greek POLS. If Russia does bailout the loans (paying them off by replacing them or through a trickle funding program tied to the EU payment schedules) then I'm highly suspicious. Well, I'm always highly suspicious I guess ;-)
It's a gambit to break the unanmity on sanctions. Tsirpussy is just using Russia. He doesn't have the stones to follow through. Everyone knows this. Greeks must starve so the banksters get their pound of flesh.
Tsirupssy: We prefer to remain slaves to the Germans rather than become a "satellite" of Russia. Fock this loser.
I realize I am not as smart or the right kind of Semite to be a Janet Yellen or Ben Bernanke:
1. Greece defaults
2. BRICS bank bridge loan for the New Drachma
3. Russian bases for leasing and inviting Russian technocrats in to assist in the transition from being the niggers of the EU to an emerging market for Eurasia
4. Orthodox brethren against Catholic and Protestant and multi culti bigotry
Too bad Tsirpussy and Whatthefuckus don't have the guts to see it through. Easier to stop paying pensions and salaries to make their nut to the Troika. Like most leftists they embrace Austerity