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The California Drought Is The Fault Of Capitalism (If We Ignore Economics & Math)

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Submitted by Robert Murphy via Mises Canada blog,

Once again, the popularity of the Facebook page “US Uncut” should make everybody consider moving to Canada. Regarding Governor Jerry Brown’s mandatory water restrictions in the state of California, the US Uncut page posted the following graphic (and accompanying text) which currently has more than 52,000 shares:

US Uncut CA Water Restrictions

US Uncut ** California has ordered emergency water restrictions on residents while Nestle, fracking companies, and large farms have been granted an exemption even though they account for 82% of the state’s annual water consumption (residential accounts for 12%). At 1.1 trillion gallons per year, almond farms alone consume 10% of the state’s water, or as much as entire city of Los Angeles. SHARE if you agree corporations should be not be given a free pass!!

 

There’s so much wrong here it’s hard to know where to begin. (I note that some of the points I make in this post were brought up by my heroic readers on Facebook.)

First, let’s stipulate that the numbers reported in the graphic above are correct. Even so, do you notice any discrepancy in the magnitudes? The poster leads with “fracking,” since all good progressives hate the practice, but according to these numbers fracking uses 0.006% of the water that almond farms use. That’s not even a rounding error to include it on this poster, it’s an ideological error.

Second, notice how they conveniently expressed the flushing statistic in terms of gallons per flush. Hmm, that makes it hard to compare to the other figures, which are quoted in total gallons per year. Let’s make them apples to apples and see what happens:

There are about 39 million people in California. Let’s assume that on average, each person flushes the toilet twice per day. Per the US Uncut’s numbers, then, that means the total gallons per year devoted to flushing toilets in California is 39 million people  x 1.6 gallons per flush x 2 flushes per person per day x 365 days per year = 45.6 billion gallons per year.

So yes, since flushing toilets (per the poster’s numbers) uses about 650 times more water than fracking, it would make sense that command-and-control regulations from the governor would crack down on toilet flushing but not on fracking.

What’s really funny is that if you look at the US Uncut page comments, you’ll see the progressives arguing among themselves about priorities. I mean, normally you would think they’d be in favor of “local farming,” especially with something like organic almonds that Whole Foods proudly sells. And indeed, some of the commenters do take that tack, arguing that the real restrictions need to be imposed on residential lawns, golf courses, and showers.

Stepping back, the basic problem here is that you have millions of people who have different possible uses for a finite resource (water), and there’s not enough of the resource to satisfy all the potential uses. One way of dealing with this mismatch is to have political officials lay down rules for who is allowed to use water, and when.

If only there were another way… Wouldn’t it be nice if there were a social system that allowed humans to decide in a decentralized manner how much of a resource they wanted to use? But wait, because of the scarcity, there would need to be some type of information feedback mechanism, so that people only used the resource when it was really important to them, and they economized more stringently during a time of reduced availability. Furthermore, we couldn’t just survey people, because then they might lie. If only there were a way for them to signify their desire to consumer more of the resource, that would force them to be honest about it and would help foster social cooperation…

Of course I’m being facetious. I’m simply describing how a market economy based on private property operates. California is suffering from a shortage because the government foolishly sets limits on the price of water (and imposes all sorts of other restrictions on the distribution infrastructure). In a free market for water, the price would adjust to balance supply and demand, allowing people to ration it according to their own tastes. If someone really loved long showers, he could still take them, he would just pay a lot more.

Finally, the prospect of earning high returns would mean companies would be ready to ship in extra water during natural drought conditions. We would be spared the absurdity of Jerry Brown telling people they can’t water their lawns or wash their cars.

 

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Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:15 | 5972820 quasimodo
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Phew, good thing the almond farmers are exempt, I am an almond junkie

/sarc....for the most part anyway

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:30 | 5972896 ZerOhead
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The frackers are indeed getting a raw deal in this article... besides... they pump most of the 70 millions gallons of water they use back into the ground after they are done.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:43 | 5972947 LetThemEatRand
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The Mises Institute of Canada -- coming up with circular arguments to justify oligarch rule and control over everything including water since whenever it was formed.   Too bad there's not a country like China that could give us a glimpse what our environment would look like if giant corporations were truly allowed to run amok.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:59 | 5973014 tmosley
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You really hate humanity, don't you?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:10 | 5973060 Stuck on Zero
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Our government is on course to bring in another hundred million immigrants. Can't we ask each one to bring a gallon of water?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:25 | 5973098 tmosley
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If we allowed a market price, they would do it all on their own, assuming the price was high enough to support hand carried water.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:29 | 5973112 macholatte
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And how many gallons of water do 5 million illegals & their anchor babies use?

Not even on the radar.

Vote Progressive & vote often.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:30 | 5973118 tmosley
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Not nearly as much if it was priced at a market price.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:45 | 5973172 Stackers
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Silly Mises Rabbit, dont you know that water is a "human right" ?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:49 | 5973378 NidStyles
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Is there anything that Capitalism can't do? That stuff is more powerful than CO2.

 

Next thing we know it will be using it's chain of nonexistence in the US to pull the moon down into the surface of the earth causing catastrophe.

 

If only we had something to blame all of this human action on...

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 00:43 | 5974229 TheReplacement
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Danke for almost proper terminology.  Communist or marxist would be more accurate.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:32 | 5973123 BobPaulson
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Pricing water doesn't fix the problem when the problem users can print money. Most environmental problems can be sourced back to economic philosophies based on unlimited recources.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:36 | 5973144 tmosley
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Moving toward a free market never fixes ALL the problems.  Only going to an exact and total and real free market will do that.  But each incrimental step fixes more problems than it creates, contrary to the idiocy espoused by LetThemEatMarx.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:40 | 5973156 Oldwood
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Debt and printed money distort and ultimately destroy everything. They are not and cannot be isolated, they become the economy and as such destroy the market mechanism that balances supply with demand.

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 00:42 | 5974226 TheReplacement
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At this point, who doesn't?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:01 | 5973029 Oldwood
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Gee, and I thought China had the single largest communist centrally planned economy in the world. I had no idea that major corporations ran the place. Learn something every day on the Hedge!

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 00:46 | 5974232 TheReplacement
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It is hard to tell given the official numbers.  We are all Soviet Russia now.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:09 | 5973049 A Nanny Moose
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Corporations are the byproduct of the command and control economy. They do NOT exist without the laws, which government creates, that define their existence. The system is functioning as intended.

...from bowel to circling the toilet bowl. A perfect metaphor for the Soviet States of Amerika.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:34 | 5973324 Luckhasit
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Shh, China is vewy vewy good.  No one like hear, ogliarch is ogliarch, Chinese or not.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:51 | 5973563 stilletto
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SChina - that capitalist icon. Oops - its neo- communist and water prices are state controlled and permits issued to corps by state officials. Giant corps cannot run amok ina capitalist system - they run amok in a socialist  (californian) system.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 21:20 | 5973659 Condition 1SQ
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Ohh .. me so PC!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:44 | 5973171 Kirk2NCC1701
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Almond producers use monstrous amounts.  That's nuts.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:46 | 5973177 Kirk2NCC1701
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Why is CA like a breakfast cereal? 

Cause it's full of nuts, fruits and flakes.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:52 | 5973194 Kirk2NCC1701
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Another clue that the whole Restriction game is a fraud, is that (according to the weatherman) it only accounts for 4% of the total supply, and the rest is expected from Mother Nature.

Good luck with that, Brown-for-brains!  

p.s. Hope & prayer are not viable strategies, upon which to run a business, town or state. 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:01 | 5973032 Urban Redneck
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Most human minds are not capable of grasping the relative implications and magnitudes of difference when talking about millions, billions, and trillions, and scientific notation does not help in those respects.  

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:39 | 5973154 Van Halen
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Anyone who has lived in southern California as I have - or even visited it long enough to notice - will see that it is a case of building an enormous population center in the middle of a desert environment. Eventually it will rain again - a lot - as it always does in the desert, and they'll have some water. Until then, they better figure out how to desalinate the 40 quadrillion gallons of water just to their west.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:17 | 5973261 conscious being
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It will rain when they open the door. If enough boiling frogs look up, notice and squwak, it may rain sooner.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 23:17 | 5973998 blowing winter
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I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 00:49 | 5974238 TheReplacement
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No you aren't. 

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 10:17 | 5975088 ToonTown Mayor
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I declare.... All of CA's current problems have origin in Gov. Jerry "MoonBeam" Brown's first stint as Gov. in the late 70's. 

As I was leaving CA in 2010, he was running for Gov. and Every business owner and reitree and those with means said "if he becomes Govenor again, I'm out!" 

 

He'll eventually run for President; "I'm out!"

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:15 | 5972824 darteaus
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It it's Brown, flush it down!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:34 | 5972903 ZerOhead
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If you like your Brown you can keep your Brown...

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:45 | 5972957 A Nanny Moose
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You didn't Brown that.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:00 | 5973018 Poundsand
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We Browned some folks.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:10 | 5973053 A Nanny Moose
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What can Brown do for you?

 

C wut ah did thar?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:47 | 5972969 kaiserhoff
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Including the illegals.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:43 | 5973166 Implied Violins
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Ignorance is Strength.

War is Peace.

Brown is Green.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:12 | 5973445 JuliaS
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- Just got that Michael Brown evidence you requested. What do you want me to do with it?

- Well, you know what they say in California...

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 00:50 | 5974243 TheReplacement
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And if it's yellow let it mellow.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:17 | 5972831 Rainman
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Best of luck, Cali ! .... and remember ... if it yellow let it mellow .... if it Brown flush it down !

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:24 | 5972871 chrsn
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And remember--only one square per sitting.  Clean asses are for ignorant people.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:47 | 5972961 A Nanny Moose
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At least they didn't fuck with my chocolate rations.

Black market for water, incoming.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:17 | 5972839 SilverIsKing
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Reminiscent of gas station owners getting fined for raising the price of gas during natural disasters.  Long lines of people unnecessarily filling their gas tanks because they fear there won't be any gas for them when they need it.  If you allow the gas station owners to charge whatever they want, demand would decline due to higher prices and that would alleviate the shortages.  If you allow the price of water to be set by the market, less water would be wasted.  Politicians are dumb and corrupt and there's no cure.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:59 | 5973208 PacOps
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Official: " Has anyone put anything into your bags without your knowledge?"

Traveler: "Sir, if they had done it without my knowledge, how would I know?'

Caution... They Walk Among Us and They Vote! They get elected too.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:14 | 5973250 conscious being
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Coming in thru LAX one time, I got asked "What's in your bag that you don't want me to know about?"

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 01:22 | 5974283 WOAR
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"Everything I bought from Bad Dragon.

But then again, from the face of the woman gawking at the x-ray of my bag, I'm sure you TSA guys already know what's in there.

What's that about extra screening now? Wonderful!"

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:19 | 5972842 ebworthen
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What are these markets you speak of?

In California a market is where the Honda/Lexus/Subaru crowd go to buy overpriced produce and look down their noses at the little brown people.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:20 | 5972847 Dr. Engali
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I can tell you that it takes more than 1.6 gallons after having burritos for dinner. I use that much in the first courtesy flush.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:22 | 5972857 ebworthen
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lol...CONgress, in their inimitable "genius" mandated toilets that would require two to three 1.6 Gallon flushes, resulting in just as much or more water being used.

A boon for the porcelain toilet industry, which I believe are still made in the U.S.A. ironically (or not).

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:27 | 5972865 Thirst Mutilator
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Porcelain toilets, made by KOHLER, so that you may kneel before & pray to his porcelain God YAWEH...

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:26 | 5972859 Thirst Mutilator
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No shit [burritos]... Oh wait!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:48 | 5972971 A Nanny Moose
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That's without the spicy salsa

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:49 | 5972974 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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I'M SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THIS DAMN STORY. STOP IT. WE KNOW.  

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:54 | 5973198 ebworthen
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"At this point what does it matter!?!"

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:20 | 5973242 conscious being
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eb - I take the /sarc, but it does matter because it is coming to a sky near you. "First they came for Cali and I did nothing ..."

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 03:51 | 5974391 ebworthen
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I agree; all about the control (of us).

Certainly not the corporations (er..."individuals").

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:19 | 5972848 Jonesy
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Fuck Krazyfornia, I have my own problems.  They moved out there, they can move again.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:20 | 5972856 Ludwig Von
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Water is a common. No private owned commodity. It should be free to averyones minimal needs and over that to be paid for. To the commons management. 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:53 | 5972988 Citxmech
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The only water that's "free" is the water that you collect yourself.  Do you think that all that storage, pumping, treatement, etc. is free?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:06 | 5973047 Oldwood
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What about food? Is that a "common also?

How about shelter?

Healthcare?

Sex? ( i vote yes!)

While I would agree that it is a pleasant thought, to have these rights guaranteed, people have always struggled to stay alive but evidently now...survival is a right.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:36 | 5973111 A Nanny Moose
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We essentially have that now. Newsflash....it ain't working.

If you desire any resource to be as cheap and plentiful as possible, allow market forces to work. If you want a shortage of say, sea water, just put govenrment in charge of the oceans.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:44 | 5973366 Peanut Butter E...
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I agree with your comment but consider delivery of water isn't free, your water bill is the delivery fee plus government mandated protection fee.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 23:03 | 5973944 chunkylover42
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Water is already free.  It's in oceans and lakes and rivers and even falls from the sky.  Take all you like.

Oh, you want your water treated, purified, desalinized or otherwise made fit for consumption and then pumped into your house?  Well that shit costs money.

Idiot.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 23:39 | 5974081 rockface
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This is a perfect example of why you are wrong.

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 17:35 | 5972860 surf0766
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They let 70% of the rain water wash right into the ocean without trying to capture some of it. Stop blaming capitalism

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:21 | 5972861 tumblemore
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The California water shortage is (obviously) the fault of unlimited mass immigration. Everywhere in the West will eventually have the same lack of water because the media destroys any public figure who points out the (obvious) problems with unlimited mass immigration.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:09 | 5973057 Oldwood
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Come on, you know its wrong that a rich man can afford a longer shower than a poor man. It's a right to shower equality under the newly revised constitution by means of executive order....the Obama edition!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:23 | 5972868 Automatic Choke
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I got a letter from a friend in San Francisco yesterday.....the postage stamp was stapled on.

                       <....rim-shot...>

 

 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:24 | 5972872 coast
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lol....

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:10 | 5973059 Oldwood
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I thought sure the adhesive would be "Brown".

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:57 | 5973584 Automatic Choke
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confession:  that is an old joke.  I remember it from the drought of the late '70s, when it appeared in Herb Caen's column of the SF Chronicle.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:25 | 5972873 11b40
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So, free market water pricing would make a bottle of Nestle H20 about $7, and make fracking way more expensive than it already is.  

Suits me, but then I have a 200' well that hits water at about 40'.  Drink up & flush away.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:16 | 5973075 Oldwood
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And under those conditions you think you still own that well? Think again. We will see even higher permit fees to drill wells and you will be forced to install a meter...a smart meter that will not only bill you but turn your water off when you exceed usage limits. We have it on power now, and as water becomes perceived as a "common" resource we will be charged by the unit like everything else we consume. Like everything else we have...enjoy it while it lasts. Liberty appears to be just another non replenishable commodity we are consuming.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:25 | 5972874 NYPoke
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And not a mention of broccoli & brussel sprouts.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:29 | 5972894 kumquatsunite
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Love having brussel sprouts at night in a bowl with a bit of butter and salt, kinda like other people eat chocolate ice cream. They are Delicious!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:43 | 5972949 ILLILLILLI
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Use equal parts of Orange honey and your favorite butter. Melt and mix thoroughly. Add a TINY amount of lemon juice to counteract the sweetness of the honey. Slather on aforementioned brussel sprouts. Enjoy!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:51 | 5972979 A Nanny Moose
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carmelize em with some garlic, add lemon juice to taste. Yum

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:29 | 5973115 nailgunnin4you
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and you murricans wonder why you are all portly fucks

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:28 | 5973108 quasimodo
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Not to mention they are a damn sight better for you than ice cream.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 21:38 | 5973717 shovelhead
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Ice cream doesn't smell like a diaper full of shit an hour later.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:28 | 5972888 kumquatsunite
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First step, send "home" the Ten MILLION illegals from Mexico and tell Mexico to give them water; there's lots there since Mexico is one of the greatest untouched natural resources areas in the world.

Seond step, there is no such thing as the right of illegals to claim American citizenship for their children. This is a perversion of the law, which clearly requires a "clean Hands" in order to Give citizenship to ones children. You can't give what isn't yours to give. 

Think of it like this, without the ten million illegals and the 20 MILLION so-called legals, who by way of a treasonous government have been imported into the US from third world countries, California would not be having any water problems.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:28 | 5973107 Oldwood
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The "law" and the constitution are whatever they say they are. File a court case if you don't believe me. We KNOW what is right but are told right has nothing to do with legal. And they are using their definition of legal to tell us what is right. They can put us in jail because even though they all feel bad about it they MUST follow the law, regardless of its infinite technical base, yet when their hearts truly bleed, there is no law of the land too precious to void or ignore to salve their pain. No enforcement of existing laws and then using that failure to enforce, to claim that the law is a failure and MUST be discarded in favor of a new law that mimics the enforcement policies they are already following.

No, there is no law, and even if we remain peaceful and nonbelligerent, others will not. We will be left to fend for our lives and by doing so break every law in the book. We watch as the war they are building between police and parts of our population is heating up. When this violence bleeds out into main street, no one will be safe. The police will assume (as they pretty much do now) that everyone not in uniform is their enemy, and those lashing out at not just police but the entire society, will not be picky in their targets. For those of us caught in the crossfire, there will be no safe harbor. All that is left is to prepare.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:39 | 5973155 Jack Burton
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Yes, but, we are trying to turn Califonia back into Mexico, so we need the opem borders. LA will soon be Mexico City II. SOme Americans want it that way, and they have the power.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:29 | 5972891 cigarEngineer
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THere is a water shortage because some special interest paid environmental whackos to protest dams being built. We have the technology to prepare for droughts, and no real person gives a shit if some desert turtles die so that we can build a water reservoir that fosters life.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:41 | 5973162 Jack Burton
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Local rainfall in the Southern California region is too often left to run into the sea, while water from 300 miles away in the Colorado River basin is pumped in. In an area like Southern California, all rainfall should be trapped, cleaned and used locally. A good rainstorm in LA sees water flood into the sea.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:32 | 5972900 coast
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It is of my opinion and years of research that the drought is from geo-engineering, AKA: chemtrails and HAARP....To drive people out of rural areas per agenda 21,  to fallow the land and monsanto will buy it up for pennies on the dollar, or it is used for collateral to China, to control peoples actions etc.   DO you know, that the powers that should not be, have the following powers?

 They control your water.

 THey control how much you pay for gasoline.

 THey control what many think thru MSM and predictive programming.

 THey control most of what you eat, and soon it will be all of what you eat.

 They control where you drive..

 THey control your money..and they control precious metal prices.

I could go on and on...

 California is toast. They are focusing on California right now, as a test, but it will be coming to all states very soon...All planned, all written by the pieces of shyte for all to see...etc.  But most dont care as long as they have their Ipod, and EBT cards, and welfare, and student loans..etc.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:01 | 5973031 Alvin Fernald
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I keep remembering Lex Luthor and his plan for CA in the original Superman movie.
+1 for mentioning the c word.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:58 | 5973207 Implied Violins
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Yup.

And you can add to that: pumping enormous amounts of water into the delta to try to keep alive the Delta Smelt - when only *6* were found after the last assay; overpumping ground water in the San Joaquin valley; fracking and Nestle, mentioned here...there is a long, sordid history of this kind of thing, dating back decades and first addressed by the movie, "Chinatown" (Jack Nicholson, 1974.

Control the water and control the food, and you control the people - paraphrasing Dr. Death, Henry Kissinger

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:36 | 5972919 trader1
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paging michael burry

paging michael burry

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:43 | 5972945 Q-Q-Q
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Surely the bankers can leverage the water supply 100 fold like precious metals and that would solve the problem!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:43 | 5972950 ronron
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what? you guys think water falls out of the sky.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:46 | 5972962 ILLILLILLI
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We lived in California during one of the droughts in the 80s. Our daughter was born and had never seen it rain before. One day she comes running in, eyes WIDE open...

 

"THERE'S WATER FALLING OUT OF THE SKY!!"

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:52 | 5972986 ronron
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hope you didn't tell her it came from the man in the sky.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:45 | 5972954 q99x2
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Brown was stupid the last time we had him for Governor. His dad was stupid. He's still stupid. It rained last night. It rained a lot this year. Probably rain a lot next year. We are due for the ark storm. Downtown LA will be under 10 feet of water soon enough. Don't complain except about Brown. He's stupid.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:41 | 5973160 A Nanny Moose
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who is more stupid? Brown, or the people who elected him a second time?

Then again presidents and governors are selected, not elected.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:13 | 5973243 PacOps
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Impressive that you remember his father. Edmond G. "Pat" - very disliked by many back in the 40s/50s and on.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:28 | 5973303 kchrisc
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"Brown was stupid the last time we had him for Governor."

One should not judge a pol by his intelligence, but only by his degree of corruption and venality, with his lies serving as a measure of both.

A pol is nothing more than the thieves' story teller. Casting dispersions, diversions, and divisions while his cronies carry away the sustenance and essence of the people. In the end, as always, he will not know of how things came to be the way they are. Though, he will ponder that question, he promises, while he sits in comfort once yours, and plies the 18 with those that he is so searching for.

The banksters need to repay us.

 

If pigs could arm themselves, how much bacon would there be in the world?!

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:16 | 5973468 Oldwood
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Californians should just go shit on the state house steps. Show Brown how to really save water and at the capital, who would notice a little more shit?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:47 | 5972970 Stained Class
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2 flushes a day? Try 6 minimum.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 22:20 | 5973821 Clowns on Acid
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Nawww... he pisses outside

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:52 | 5972985 laomei
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simple solution, set the rates for water the same for all.  the problem will sort itself out.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:53 | 5972989 EndOfDayExit
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>In a free market for water, the price would adjust to balance supply and demand, allowing people to ration it according to their own tastes.

Sure, and then people would be out in the streets protesting the price of the basic necessity. What's the point of suggesting and publishing such a naivete? Mental masturbation?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:54 | 5972993 TheGreatRecovery
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The almond farmers are receiving SUBSIDIES in water rather than in dollars.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:00 | 5973006 BoPeople
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I get that. However if you do that then you also have to prosecute all criminals, especially banking criminals so that their ability to create fiat out of thin air and defraud people does not allow them to purchase excess amounts through criminal means. (or if not, then murder must be legalized to allow a balance of power)

Illegal monopoly and unfair trade practices, protected illegally, must also be punished for the same reason. (or make murder legal to balance power and make there an enforceable penalty for cheating and stealing).

AND, government jobs must not be paid an unfairly (cronyism must be punished as a crime) high and non-competitive, non-market determined amount. There will be no $600,000 fire chiefs with half million dollar pensions. Government jobs must be bid out to all qualified candidates and regularly re-bid to ensure the market determines pay rate.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:01 | 5973008 European American
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I lived off the grid for over ten years, a while back. Plan to do it again, shortly, whether that be intentionally or forced (when the bottom drops out), But I must confess, when living that simple, sustainable life-style, I grew to greatly appreciate all the finer things in life, sort of in a gross way. To make a long story short, I (really) realized how much water I wasted prior to going off the grid. My big vice in that regard was long showers. Just loved them (still do). Once I had to become accutely aware of all my finite resources, I cut back in every department. For example, just in the act of washing dishes one can save lots of water. Doing 'em by hand in the sink and turning the water off and on, when needed. Sounds overly anal, I know, but my point to all of this is, as a collective, whether in California or where I live in the Pacific NW or anywhere, we can cut way, way back on water (electricity, etc.) consumption and not have a water issue. It all depends on whether one wants to be responsible or not. Similar mind-set to the old camping adage "What you pack in, you pack out". 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:54 | 5973571 Oldwood
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What is our purpose in living? If not to consume, then what? To fuck?...then what? Serious question that begs all others.

What Are We Doing?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 21:19 | 5973652 European American
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IMHO, we are here for a number of reasons; to heal ourselves first, then help to heal others (do you know anyone who doesn't have some kind of "disorder/dis-ease?)...be good caretakers of all creatures big and small, not to mention, the planet.

 

Consume, as long as the action is sustainable, i.e. maintains balance in the environment.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 17:58 | 5973009 taketheredpill
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A free market for water? Just like commodities? Somebody at Goldman Sachs just came in their pants.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:05 | 5973044 BoPeople
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To state the obvious, Goldman does not believe in free markets. They, and all banks, believe that they can create an infinite amount of fiat money out of thin air an purchase all asset and thereby create monopoly control on price.

If not, how did all of the gold get into the vaults of all of the bullion banks? What did they purchase it with? How do banks purchase massive amounts of equities if not with the fiat they create out of thin air?

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:00 | 5973017 thecrud
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Sorry it is just not true unless you thing 25 dollar oranges and 50 dollar lettuce 100 dollar tomatoes are OK with you.

Dumass we paid a shit load of tax for many years for the distribution/collection system we have Are you going to pay us back for that.

Shit like like this is just retarded.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:14 | 5973067 LetsGetPhysical
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Crazy part is.... Mention the word drought in California and 9 out of 10 people won't even know wtf you're talking about. True story.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:26 | 5973087 steelhead23
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Doesn't anyone here on ZH know anything about western water law - often termed the prior appropriation doctrine?  By constitutional edict, all the water in California (outside of Indian Reservations) belongs to the people of California.  However, if like most other western states the constitution also affirms, "the right to divert and put to beneficial use the water of the state shall never be abridged", or words to that effect, virtually all developable water has been allocated already.  Basically, one can use the state's water, but they don't own it.  Under the prior appropriations doctrine, "the first in time is the first in right," meaning that those who first diverted and put to beneficial use have the highest priority.  Since mining and ag were the first users, they hold the senior rights.  Many western states have identified priority uses - often with municipal use at the top and ag near the bottom, but this priority system is seldom used to re-allocate water - those senior rightholders have lots of political clout.

The writer of this piece is a "true believer" in the mythical power of markets.  He thinks that all markets are perfect markets, with willing buyers and sellers, competition, and open access.  But folks in CA should remember the summer of 2001 when artificial shortages caused electricity prices to reach almost 100 times the pre-crisis prices.  Never forget - markets are almost never perfect (NYSE anyone?) and screaming for market based solutions to allocation problems is a sign of wilfull ignorance of that fact.  I suspect that Governor Brown chose not to go after ag initially because he lacked the political firepower to do so.  The outrage stimulated by Uncut may help him find his backbone.  Water marketing could be part of the solution, but its no panacea.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:25 | 5973262 MagicMoney
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Robert isn't even talking about perfect markets. No austrian ever talks about perfect markets, because they DON'T exist, but he is right about prices. Prices are information, if people see water prices are too high, they better economize the water. They use less of it, and prioritize the water to things they prefer according to their own marginal utility.  If entrepreneurs see high water prices, they have incentive to create, and distribute more water to places with less water to tap into the unrealized profits from lack of competition. Economies economize, if water is too scarce, capitalist wouldn't bother bringing water to a desert in a natural setting, like some places in America, in particular in parts of American West. Why? Bureaucrats do, Because it makes no sense. As in case for California, pray for the rain or find a way to get more clean water. Heh. Prices are information, they determine if such activities like almond farming are possible, or even fracking is possible. If water is scarce, it makes no businesse sense to do activities that require a lot of water during a water shortage.

 

The idea that Jerry Brownm, or some other bureaucrat to micromanage water is ridiciulous when they all got special interests to favor who gets the water. Bureaucracy is perfect? No even close.

 

NYSE as a example is pretty weak, because it has many factors influencing it. No Austrian argues perfect markets, that's Soviet styles economics. There is two different types of economics, Soviet style where market imperfections need to be corrected and the need for policy to fix it like inequality, and true economics, the study of the of economy as it is. Science is the study of nature, science doesn't advocate what nature should be, because it wouldn't be science. It's another type of thing, ideological belief. That's where exists two major types of economic fields. One side you can argue is not even economics, or a science much less.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 21:18 | 5973645 btdt
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You appear to ecognzie that there is strong law in California protecting prviate property in water rights.

Then you suggest that Guv Brown hasn't stolen property yet from those who have clear title - "because he lacked political firepower".

But once he has some backbone, he should steal from these holders you advise?

You then point out ENRON as what exactly? - a failure of a free market. You are kidding, right? The CEO is in jail along with others for rigging the CA electric market - for which all Californians pay every month still. None of the progressive idiot politicans and regulators  who enabled ENRON (by neuturing a real market) even lost their jobs.

Those who need water in California are free to contact those with water and negotiate a price and schedule for delivery. What a concept, huh? This way Guv Moonbeam can keep working on his train to Dust Bowl II and the pols can work on gettting illegals in faster and faster.

you end with: Water marketing could be part of the solution, but its no panacea.

bullshit.

 

 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:01 | 5973117 conscious being
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The California drought is the fault of Capitalism if we ignore GeoEngineering.

Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California

1/2 hour presentation on youtube by Dan Wigington. Skip to 9:57 to see bizarre NOAA continental US heat maps. The Jet Stream coming off the Pacific is being diverted North. Results - No percipitation in CA and much of the USA West. Arctic warming, including release of frozen methane. "Polar Vortex" as the Jet Stream returns like a big sine curve. Poisoning of the air water and land with metal nano particles, in particular, aluminum.

GeoEngineering? Science Fiction? No, science fact. Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 AF2025 Logo A Research Paper Presented To Air Force 2025 by Col Tamzy J. House Lt Col James B. Near, Jr. LTC William B. Shields (USA) Maj Ronald J. Celentano Maj David M. Husband Maj Ann E. Mercer Maj James E. Pugh August 1996 http://fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

A declassified document. Easy to find more.

re. the Dan Wigington conclusion as to why this is happening, to wit, a misguided attempt to mitigate AGW, I don't agree with. Agenda 21, commoditizing water, mobilizing the sheeple with fear as with the GWOT, driving free, self-sufficient people off the land all seem more likely imo.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 18:43 | 5973167 I Write Code
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Thanks for doing the math, but sometimes you've got to flush those lo-flows an extra time or two, I'd probably double your estimate, and there are still a fair number of old 3.x gallon flushers around.

Now, if guys could just *hit* the urinal instead of the floor ... probably a million gallons a day lands on the floor, if we could only gather that up and deliver it to the governor, things would be much better.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:07 | 5973229 kchrisc
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As their gun and badge thugs will kill you for being homeless near one of their trendy restaurants, what will they do to you over a gallon, an ounce, of water?!

The banksters need to repay us.

 

"Sir, this is an illicit water check point. Do you have any illicit water beyond your quota? Have you consumed any illicit water this evening? Oh, what do we have here in the spare tire? Step out of the car..."

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 19:23 | 5973279 tumblemore
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For the free marketeers:

1) free market in water

combined with

2) mass importation of labor specifically aimed at reducing the cost (remuneration) of existing labor

see the problem?

 

An ever increasing physical demand (by volume) for water is connected to an ever decreasing income to pay for it.

 

Free market solutions can't work with mass immigration.

 

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 22:16 | 5973806 Clowns on Acid
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I know what you are try9ing to say... but you are not presenting it very well. I would correct you but am drinoiing heavily at the moemnt.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 20:50 | 5973561 Quantum Nucleonics
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Also unmentioned are the 260 trillion gallons (yes, trillion) per year, that's 800,000 acre-feet, released by order of the EPA in an effort to save the Delta smelt, a 3 inch long minow.

Wed, 04/08/2015 - 22:09 | 5973792 shovelhead
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Save the smelt...

LOL.

So they can become pate' chum by constantly being run over by ski boats with 400 cu. in. engines screaming up and down the Excremento River?

Fucking ridiculous.

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 06:34 | 5974517 exomike
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This is horrible; there won't be enough water to drown a libertarian in a bathtub. Oh, wait! Saltwater will do the job and the crabs will clean up the carcass.

 

Even worse, pity the poor American water boarding champions. There won't be enough fake intelligence to invade anywhere anymore. Talk about the real American Economy tanking!

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 19:31 | 5976898 Daddio7
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If gasoline were free, how many more miles a day would you drive? At the current retail price no farmer could afford to irrigate. How much should he pay? I live in north Florida. I farmed the 40 acre field next to my house. In two months of the growing season I would run the pump on a six inch well 24/7 using about 20 million gallons of water to grow 1.2 million pounds of potatoes selling for $.10 a pound. Who would I pay and how much?

Thu, 04/09/2015 - 19:43 | 5976942 Daddio7
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One penny of that $.10 was profit. It also took nine other fields like that and a barnyard full of equipment. $3 million investment and $600,000 production cost each year for a $100,000 pay check, if you were lucky. String a couple of bad years togather and you get tp watch someone else farm your land. Sucks big time :(

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