This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
- advertisements -
Contact Information:
Tips: tips [ at ] zerohedge.com
General: info [ at ] zerohedge.com
Legal: legal [ at ] zerohedge.com
Advertising: ads [ at ] zerohedge.com
Abuse/Complaints: abuse [ at ] zerohedge.com
Suggested Reading:
Make sure to read our "How To [Read/Tip Off] Zero Hedge Without Attracting The Interest Of [Human Resources/The Treasury/Black Helicopters]" Guide
It would be very wise of you to study our disclaimer, our privacy policy and our (non)policy on conflicts / full disclosure. Here's our Cookie Policy.
"look, there's scrambled eggs in there !"
Running on empty, running wild....
Jackson Brown
No relations to Jim Brown, Jerry Brown, or Micheal Jackson.
Moonbeam is not alone in that state.
If you read the comments in the Cali papers, the locals think they have rights to waters of the Mississippi, Missouri and Columbia River basins. All they need is an aqueduct or two and the ability to get that water magically over the continental divide.
California obviously needs higher taxes to solve this problem. Bad news is that the politicians will need to find a new way to waste it. Flushing it down the toilet may not be an option much longer.
The solution is more golf courses and lawns.
I am Chumbawamba.
They'll just rename it to High Speed Water Rail.
The concept of saving water by deporting the millions of illegals never enters the conversation.
WTF
Yes we are historically averse to assigning blame on immigrants aren't we?
californians are dumb as dirt.
.
They will br leaving when true radiation count is released.
Yeah, desalinizatiion doesn't remove that shit.
An oldie but a goodie on which limousine liberals benefit from this water stuff:
http://exiledonline.com/how-limousine-liberals-oligarch-farmers-and-even...
fore
"What were you thinking?"- and what were Californians thinking when they thought Moonbeam had them covered?
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
Well why not, the country is obviously tilted so all of the loose nuts roll to California, why shouldn't the water follow too?
..it's worse than that, I just talked to a guy a couple of days ago in the magic kingdom that refuses to believe there even is a water shortage...
This is not going to end well..
It was hilarious to watch Brown claim with a straight face that all those agricultural workers might lose their jobs if the city-folk don't take shorter showers.
Yes, yes, Californians, stop your daily hygiene so that illegal immigrants can find work.... What a joke this state has become.
Aliens. The proper term is Illegal Aliens.
Don't fall for the Neolib word games.
The new name for burglars in California is: "Undocumented House Guests."
And drug dealers are merely unlicensed pharmacists.
And Obummer wants votes from both groups to inaugurate his 3rd (illegal) term as the TOTUS. I suppose one grace is that we're not being subjected to President Hussein's endless campaigning this time 'round.
I call them unarmed invaders
Time for a state rain dance, probably the Macarena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiBYM6g8Tck
But golf courses, car washes and frackers won't have to cut back a bit. I'm sure the pool filling in SoCal will continue as planned...
What's using even more water is the fracking operations. He doesn't mention them because he knows that people would lynch his ass if they're fined and harrassed, but fracking operators are unaffected.
Between fracking and farming I'd estimate more than half of all water used in California.
Hi Old P, I like your stuff, so a correction:
Ag uses approximately 80% of the annual water useage in California. (Includes groundwater drawdown.)
Fracking uses a lot of water, but there is very liittle fracking going on in CA presently, I think, from a recent chart on ZH I can't find, only one or two operations in the valley - we're still pumping a lot of So Cal oil the old fashoined way, including some off-shore around Santa Barbara and South.
I'm an Oregon boy (2nd generation) transported to California long ago since grad school, and have actually met and had dinner with Governor Brown during his first term (long story involving a project I was on in Northern California back in the day). He's a very smart guy, but he has the 'exempt agriculture' thing amazingly wrong - despite the power of ag in CA politics, the majority of voters are urban, and percieve this as unfair (which it is). I'm amazed he went this way on water, and equally amazed he has hitched so much of his political capital on the stupid 'Train to LA', instead of putting the bucks into desal plants on the coast
Fuck, California has a lot of (expensive) water on the coast - it is called the Pacific Ocean. The billions spent on the high speed rail project could so much better be spent on the technology to desal ocean water, and maybe in the process make it cheaper. We in California are gonna have to do it anyway, someday - SOON.
Kill the fucking rail, use the bucks to research and build new tech, small-scale desal plants, and use more bucks to build large, expensive current tech desal plants. We have a lot of coast line to do so - and we do need the water.
Last three days it rained up here in North CA, thanks for that, but it ain't close to enough. Nobody in Humboldt County bitches about the rain anymore - true fact.
Your estimate would then be considered terrible. A simple search would have yielded the results you wanted (or maybe you didn't want the actual results...just wanted to tee off on fracing).
Agriculture: 80%
Residential: 14%
Commercial: 6% (along with all manufacturing, golf courses, businesses - this is where fracing resides)
No need for posting links. You just type in "California water usage" and you'll get a list that would wrap around the earth 3 times.
I think it is as plain as the nose on your face that any "solution" that doesn't restrict agriculture is only designed to make politicians look like they are doing something.
<edit> Nobody for President just responded in a much nicer way than I did. I'll shut up and sit down now. <edit>
My comment was made while having lunch at my desk and I didn't provide a reference (which I should have) because I was relying on an article I had read yesterday, or the day before, that combined, farming and fracking, far exceeded consumer water use; and that, gallon for gallon, farming and fracking had much lower water rates.
My apologies for not looking it up (limited time at the time).
http://rt.com/usa/247577-california-fracking-drought-water/
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/04/breaking-first-time-california-enforcing-water-restrictions
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2819125/california_drought_agribusiness_fracking_untouched_by_water_rationing.html
"What a joke this state has become."
Ditto.
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
Florida will soon be where California is. Between Miami, Tampa, Orlando, and Jacksonville, and everything east of I-95....people, business, development, agriculture......our aquifers are going bye bye at a rapid rate. Sand incursion, salt water incursion, historical springs drying up......more and more sinkholes.
Water, water everywhere from Pensacola to Key West.....and we're draining it dry.
Can't wait for the Cali-zombies to head east to Florida. They'll bleed us dry quicker than shit.....if their politics don't do it first.
"Nearly" empty?
Something wrong with your plumb bob, buddy.
Need tax breaks for tattoo parlors to boost the economy
Don't forget tax breaks for hookers!
Have Linda Ronstadt and other artists do a "Water Aid" event to raise awareness.
Ooh! Ooh! And Bono! And Bruce Springstein!
"We are the dry ... ."
tattoo parlors! man you arnt kidding. i remember when a tattoo meant your a badass and mostly marines or speacial forces had them. now its a prerequisite amongst hipster social circles.
If you really want to stand out nowaday, you keep you skin clean. It's also healthier...
A tattoo parlor just replaced my computer repair shop. I never went in there so I don't know if they were asians or indians or whatever. Sign of the times.
Actually the military discouraged tattoos. Like your tats could tell the enemy who you were since they were distinguishing marks. Especially Special Forces. Maybe that is old school.
But Sailors got tats in various ports and prisoners got tats to make themselves tougher. I think the tat culture comes from prisoners really.
But I wanted to get a tat when I was like 18 and kept the interest till much later. Only I never got one. Probably better off now.
But people from coffee shops and salons know a different reason to get tats. As a kind of self development.
Why not think of a tat as you would a special religious or spiritual artifact?? Like getting a set of beads, St. Christopher's Metal or Cross, or Rosary.
How many people are stuck with the barb-wire arm tatoo that was badass during the 90's? Basically a tramp-stamp for your bicep...
This is your mind on drugs...
Jerry Brown will kill two birds with one stone.
He will use that high speed train to ferry water.
It is raining in Fresno today I am told.
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"What we need are more illegal immigrants to solve this agua problem"
Echo Chamber...
Global cooling deniers should be taken out back and shot.
The sooner we get serious about the wholesale evacuation of the State of California the better - there's no time to waste -
NO !!!! Don't let them out !!! Better to put a fence around the state to keep them in. Let them wrestle with the smelt for the water.
Let them go west .Its how they got there.
Smeltwrestling!
A man's sport, indeed.
The Okies of the dustbowl 30s would find delicious irony in that. Too bad Woodie Guthrie isn't here to observe.
Here is Ry Cooder reminding us... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IJweR1d0dE
Earthquake
Fracking on San Andreas, the plot of Lex Luthor, a mutant Nazi Bond Villain and TPTB.
Find Austin Powers! We need him!
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
no more deep thinkers left in leadership (running this country)
Well he's the one responsible for canceling all future water development back in the 70's so he obviously know's what he's doing.....
Exactamundo! The liberal environmental one eyed smelt protectors were and remain adamant about not constructing any further dams or reservoirs, etc., etc., etc.
Hm National Stockpiles and Infrastructure.
Sounds like national Security.
But expanding Medicaid, Medicare, & Social Security, along with social programs are Spending Bills or Spending Increases even if they make the Demographics look better.
That is also National Security just like having open borders while using the military to create havoc around the globe.
Knuks, you are conflating two separate issues: the smelt issue is about Southern California stealing more Northern California water than they already are. I am agin it...
Dams and reservoirs wherever are mostly favored these days except for specific cases that have really fucked up the local enviornment. I'm more a small scale guy on this, big dams and big reservoirs suck, but smaller scale and more numerous ones can be very beneficial.
In Northern Ca right now, every fucking day I see big plastic water tanks - 2000 to 5000 gallon, on the back of pickups. The idea is to store a bunch of fucking water in the winter, when it is raining and we have lots (and it still rains up here, even at 60% of normal this year we have a bunch of water), to use in August/September/October. A lot of it is for dope, of course, but a bunch of us are using it to maintain stream flow. I'm probably going to a 10K tank late this summer for next winter, there is a Salmonid Restoration Project in my watershed I have done a little work with.
But this is not enough.
In 1975-76 when the 'energy crisis' was all the rage, I was the project coordinator of a local, small scale, small time project involving our watershed, and I wrote a working paper that stated that California's real problem was not the energy crisis, it was a 'water crisis'. Call me ahead of my time.
California has got to put a lot of time, money, and energy into desalinazation. Period. It is the only way out of our bind, and I have been thinking (and trying to live on the homestead) about this problem for a long time. It does not seem to be in the conversation presently.
I guess I'm gonna have to start writing a bunch of letters. Fuck me...
every time he gets chauffeured around, he puts his head out the window to get a refill.
California sure does love them some brain dead politicians: Brown, Boxer, Pelosi. What an embarrassment.
Rasist and missing the whole point by leaving out MAX WATERS!
maniacal laughter
Why would any normal psychotic want a California elected position?
Dont forget Henry "Nostrils" Waxman
Think of an unformatted hard drive.
That would imply capacity.
inefficient energy and transportation is where it's at!
don't forget all the dirt cheap farmland that "someone" has been buying up thanks to this "drought"
also look up "Colorado pulse flow"
I really fear that we're fast approaching an American Holodomor due to resource mismanagement and government boondogglery.
it's already here, we're simply eating what's left at the bottom of the grain silos
So glad to see this issue finally getting the attention it so richly deserves. California's water issues are completely political in nature and are the result of our having absorbed vast numbers of residents from other states and countries over the past 50 years without any marked increase in water storage. If not for the improvements made in drip irrigation being used in thousands upon thousands of acres of never before farmed land in our central valley, the foreign nationals who own and profit from our agricultural bounty would've been crying for the change we must now address many years ago.
It's a MAN-MADE / created problem. Water that could be / should be used for So-Cal is being FLUSHED to the Pacific Ocean.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
"Let no crisis go to waste."
Water "shortage" means "THE STATE can collect more MONEY for water use."
A complete S-H-A-M.
http://resources.ca.gov/docs/Smelt_QandA.pdf
They can start a textile industry using his eyebrows.
The wool between his ears is denser and softer though....
This is what happens when hippies and whack-jobs refuse to allow any reservoirs or aqueducts to get built. Over 70% of California rainfall simply runs back into the ocean with no effort to collect it; lest we disenfranchise some obscure minnow or crab grass species. Can't wait till we all get state subsidized timers installed on our shower heads.
fucking socialists could have fixed this problem decades ago
but they are, after all, socialists (big fat fucking useless gubbamint) peddling global warming bullshit, so this man made drought fits the narrative
build some reservoirs brown, you dumb old lazy fuck!!!
California Uber Alles:
I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Thanks Uber Vandal, I was hoping someone would post that!
<I am the suede/denim secret police>
They could always try..... the ocean. It's really not a stupid idea. Desalination has been around for a long time.
They are building one in San Diego county, at Carlsbad.
-- He's the king of Sacramento, no thanks, Oakland, thanks a lot.
You have to send your kids to school with the ability to read, write and add, because schools teach at the rate of the slowest legacy kids, enforced by best practice, best is the enemy of better, arbitrary equality and affirmative action. And you will see the same thing in any corporation, regardless of the dress mythology, dissonance squared. The Shark Tank is a stupid TV program, reinforcing the idiocracy that labor requires financial capital, money printed by a bank.
You will also see the same distribution among highly paid consultants. Taking the dress off and reorganizing the process to increase productivity, to grow the sandbox, is the relatively easy part. Putting that dress back on and connecting it back to the system so everyone’s lives are not disrupted, anxiety increasing economic inertia, is the hard part, given that the empire is a closed system with positive feedback ‘control’. If you want order, begin with disorder. If you want to blow something up, begin with order.
It’s always a spacetime problem, inside a problemsolution. Speed assumes that distance and time are separate entities, instead of a construct in your mind, just as corporations conveniently assume that revenue and cost, risk and reward, are unrelated. That’s money. The critters want Maglev and can’t produce it, because they cannot tolerate change. Make commercial loans or don’t; they make no difference in the decisions of labor, but they greatly affect capital, make-work finance.
increasing share in a shrinking economy, inflating G...
Apple, Qualcomm & Google are shrinking the economy, with the proliferation of disposable surveillance toys, not that they fully comprehend their actions. If you look at their HR policies, you will see that they are the policies of a herd. Samsung is just more efficient, as is Chinese Communism, at printing and laundering paper.
BYOB
The libs in California have added 20 million people to their state...but did not provide any more water for them..get what they voted for...dried smelt...I hope they like it....I am afraid they will move to other consertative states and destroy them.....
Yeah, there is this insidious trend of Government insiders making deals to accept illegals. And it is not just state level or whatever.
What gives Churches or Cities or Counties the right to harbor illegals Illegally on behalf of their constituents without either informing them or allowing them to vote on it.
Of course in my region I know there maybe empty school rooms and the demographics could be fluxing either direction... on the other hand my property taxes just went up again.
Nation wide I think Local Governments are short on School and County funding due to low occupancy rates of houses.
What gives Churches or Cities or Counties the right to harbor illegals Illegally on behalf of their constituents without either informing them or allowing them to vote on it…
The logic is that because “California voters” (s)elected the likes of jewesses Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein, they represent the majority wishes of the citizens residing in the geographic confines of this region of the earth.
The reality is however, that through the magic of gerrymandering, the forces that would otherwise reside within the coherently thinking voting populace have been thwarted and have been replaced with other, less locally benevolent powers.
These are usually influences ensconced south of the Grapevine, (Orange County notwithstanding), and more specifically residing in the hearts and minds of the “Hollywood Elite”.
Jmo.
Gov. Jerry Brown represents the problem with the political system in general, but the answer is too easy for the majority of the electorate to reason, hence the perpetual cycle of Full-Time legislatorship marches on, unabated. Until the electorate comes to recognize that Full-Time politics and Politicians are not only the main problem, but the system was never intended to operate in such manner, they will continue the slide towards the gaping maw of Authoritarianism.
Government creates problem, government then rushes in to fix problem with more government control.
Government creates problem, government then rushes in to fix problem with more government control.
Government creates problem, government then rushes in to fix problem with more government control.
Government creates problem, government then rushes in to fix problem with more government control.
Government creates problem, government then rushes in to fix problem with more government control.
"So take a good look at my face, you know my smile looks outta place..."
See now, back then he had hair - and a babe girlfriend...
I am going to start a business in California. Watering front lawns with fracking water. Win-win.
Brown will soon demand the redistribution of water.
A younger Jerry Brown was an intelligent guy pandering to get in office. The older Jerry Brown can't really make a coherent argument, and may not be aware of what year he's in or much of anything else.
I don't think Brown has much authority over the amount of water wasted from the reservoirs (and it's huge). That's the bailiwick of the federal water managers from the Corps of Engineers, Bureau of Reclamation, Fish and Wildlife Service and who knows what other bureaucracies.
As long as I can get a double-double at IN-N-OUT BURGER I'm good. Some folks prefer a triple-triple, but that's not me.
Musk & Moonbeam - fudgepacking bitchez
So this is how they ended up using Brwando to water the plants, I missed that part of the documentary.
cali needs more water! (-boarding of its politicians)
All of the moronic, psychopaths go into politics because their illogical, fucked up ideas would never work in the private sector. Unbelievable that we are forced to pay for this shit through taxes.
Sweet mind. Is there any nuts up there for Biden he's cracking up just thinking about it.
Ramirez is almost as lame as Glenn McCoy. Who the Fuck could have gotten the Fucking Republicans to build infrastructure. Ahnold?
Jerry Brown predicted everything now going on environmentally and economically in the 1980s. You guys have memories like crazed weasels with unsatisfied fuel injected turbo crack habits. Now Jerrys supposed to correct the vacuous void started by Reagan and finished by the Terminator.
You dug your own grave, now sleep in it.