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Did WalMart Close A California Store To Punish Employees Who Protested Wages And Working Conditions?
On Wednesday, we asked why WalMart simultaneously closed multiple geographically distinct stores across the US for “plumbing issues.” We began by noting that the company — the largest retailer in the world — raised wages across the board just two months ago. Here’s an excerpt from the letter sent to employees by President and CEO Doug McMillon:
For our current associates, we’ll start by raising our entry wage to at least $9 an hour in April, and, by February of next year, all current associates will earn at least $10 an hour. I’m also excited about an innovative program we’re launching for future associates that will allow you to join Walmart at $9 an hour or more next year, receive skills-based training for six months, and then be guaranteed at least $10 an hour upon successful completion of that program. We’re also strengthening our department manager roles and will raise the starting wage for some of these positions to at least $13 an hour this summer and at least $15 an hour early next year. There will be no better place in retail to learn, grow, and build a career than Walmart.
We went on to point out that there is no free lunch especially when you operate on razor thin margins in order to retain the “low price leader” crown and so someone has to pay for all those extra pennies the company is now paying out to its employees and because passing along the costs to customers is a no-go, the supply chain has to foot the bill, and because of WalMart’s size, vendors have no choice but to cooperate. WalMart is legendary for its supply chain management, but as WSJ notes, the company is finding it more difficult to maintain its competitive advantage and must figure out how to retain its leadership position in the market all while striking a conciliatory tone on wages:
Wal-Mart has long had a reputation for pressing its suppliers to cut costs to help lower prices, but the retailer’s new leadership has embraced the concept with fresh vigor. Wal-Mart’s price advantage against its competitors has been eroded, and it has steadily been losing market share in the U.S. since the recession ended, while rivals including KrogerCo. and Costco Wholesale Corp. gained share, according to data from the consultancy Kantar Retail.
With the growth of dollar stores and other discounters, Wal-Mart is facing ever more competition on price, which for many customers is the most important selling point.
It’s against this backdrop that the company recently began closing stores and laying off thousands of employees citing “ongoing plumbing issues that will require extensive repairs.” Once we discovered that no plumbing permits had been filed and that seemingly none of the affected workers could offer even a shred of anecdotal evidence as to the existence of the “clogs and leaks” WalMart officials claimed were at the heart of the problem, we suggested that perhaps — just perhaps — something else might be behind the store closures such as the company’s desire to cut costs in a tough economic and competitive environment. Here’s a list of the affected stores:
1620 W. Church St. Livingston, TX
4517 N Midland Dr. Midland, TX
207 S. Memorial Dr. Tulsa, OK
8500 Washington Blvd. Pico Rivera, CA
1208 E. Brandon Blvd. Tampa, FL
When we began to look into each of these locations we came across something rather interesting involving the Pico Rivera, CA store. As it turns out, it’s been the site of wage and working condition protests on a number of occasions, the most recent of which was less than six months ago. Here’s more via local news footage:
Protesters chant "we are proud of you as police arrests 4th person." pic.twitter.com/p33uwVsYtW
— Making Change @ WMT (@ChangeWalmart) November 14, 2014
Almost exactly one year earlier, the Pico Rivera store was (along with multiple other locations across the US) the site of protests alleging that the company did not pay enough to keep many of its workers from seeking government assistance to supplement their meager wages (recall that 73% of those receiving public assistance in the US come from working families). Here was the scene at Pico Rivera in November of 2013:
And just a little over a year before the 2013 Black Friday protests, more than 200 workers at Pico Rivera went on strike and protested in front of the store waving signs that read “On Strike for the Freedom to Speak Out,” suggesting the company was retaliating against those who fought for better wages and working conditions.
Here’s what The NY Times had to say at the time of the October 14, 2012 walkout:
Several dozen Walmart workers in Southern California staged a one-day strike on Thursday, according to workers and union officials, a move that culminated in a rally of some 250 workers and supporters in front of a Walmart store in Pico Rivera.
The strikers, who union officials said came from nine Walmarts in the Los Angeles area, said they were mainly protesting what they said was management’s frequent retaliation against employees who spoke up about working conditions.
Several of the workers, who said this was the first-ever strike against Walmart in the United States, also said they were protesting low wages and short hours.
Manuela Rosales, 25, who works in the cellphone department of the Pico Rivera store, said she walked out on Thursday, missing her afternoon shift, because “when we speak out, they cut my hours in retaliation and they have me pull pallets, which is very hard work.” She added, “I’m a single mom and I can’t afford them cutting my hours.”
Then, one month later in November of 2012, the same workers planned a similar demonstration against what some called “degrading” circumstances. Here’s a visual from that event:
Given the history at the Pico Rivera location, one could be forgiven for suggesting the store closure could very well have more to do with employees’ views on wages, working conditions, and retaliation than it does with “clogs, leaks, and plumbing issues.”
What's especially interesting here is that one of the groups which has consistently backed protests at the Pico Rivera store is the The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union or, UFCW. The group posted the following video to its website during the 2014 "Pico Rivera Sit Down Strike":
Broadcast live streaming video on Ustream
The UFCW has a history with the company. Back in 2004, when workers at the Jonquiere, Quebec location voted to join the organization, WalMart closed the store six months later noting that "you can’t take a store that is a struggling store anyway and add a bunch of people and a bunch of work rules." This case ended up before the Supreme Court in Canada and just last year, the high court ruled against the company (the full decision is embeded below). Here's more on that via ThinkProgress:
In September of 2004, the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) was certified as a representative of employees in a store in Jonquiere, Quebec. In April 2005, just before an arbitrator was about to impose a collective agreement, Walmart closed the store.
On Friday, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Walmart violated Quebec’s labor laws in doing so. It found that the company closed the store during a freeze period codified in the law, which limits a business’s ability to change working conditions from the time that employees file to unionize to when they have a contract, go on strike, or are locked out. The court ruled that Walmart ran afoul of this law without a valid reason for closing the store, which never re-opened.
The company has said it didn’t close the store because workers joined a union. In an email to the AP a Walmart spokesperson said, “We are disappointed by the decision.”
An arbiter will now determine remedies for the 190 fired employees, including possible payment for damages and interest.
So here is a WalMart location which has staged protests each and every year dating back to at least 2012, the latest of which led to two dozen arrests and these protests are backed by the same organization which was involved in a Canadian Supreme Court case against the company for closing a store where workers had agreed to adopt the UFCW as their representative. While there may or may not be any connection to all of this and the Pico Rivera location's "plumbing issues," we would note that several people are beginning to draw a parallel. One manager at the store told a local CBS affiliate the following on Thursday:
Venanzi Luna was one of 530 employees told Monday that the store is closing for six months to fix plumbing issues.
Luna has worked as a deli manager at the store for seven years getting paid $14 an hour. She explains that she was slated to get a raise in June.
Luna says that as a member with the Organization United for Respect at Walmart, a group funded by the Food Workers Union, she has led strikes and sit-ins.
Pico Rivera has been a hotbed for worker activism as protests took place there for higher wages. Luna wonders if Walmart was targeting the workers who spoke out.
“This is the first store that went on strike. This is the first store in demanding changes for Walmart,” she said. “I can’t speculate on Walmart’s motives,” City Manager Rene Bobadilla said. “What we were told that it was a sewer issue.”
Yes, a sewer issue at WalMart, which is something one would think WalMart plumbing technician Codi Bauer would know something about. This is what he told a local reporter in Florida:
"Even if they had to replace the whole sewer line, it wouldn't take six months to replace a whole sewer line in that store.”
So that is the short history of the Pico Rivera WalMart location where hundreds of employees were laid off as part of the company's mysterious nationwide "plumbing" problem. We again leave it for readers to decide whether WalMart — in an attempt to kill two birds with one stone by eliminating a "problem" store while simultaneously giving an incremental boost to a nationwide cost cutting effort —created a problem which didn't really exist as an excuse to shut the doors, or whether somewhere, deep beneath the now empty California location, the pipes are truly clogged up and leaking.
Pico Rivera has not received any building repair permit requests from the company.
***Update
Then, just this afternoon, this comes across the wires (Via Reuters):
Wal-Mart Stores Inc, the world's largest retailer, is cutting the role of zone manager from its stores as part of efforts to simplify its operations, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The duties of zone manager, of which there are generally about six per store, will be transferred to other managers, Bloomberg said.
Expect more "plumbing."
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Just to show how you American workers are getting fucked. The minimum wage here is about 15 dollars an hour. EVERYONE gets 5 weeks vacation from Day one on the job whether working for McD's or you are a brain surgeon. Its the NATIONAL LAW.
McD's and BK, KFC's profits are still high here so go figure.
Its just GREED in the USA and NO RESPECT for workers.
A CEO here can only afford 2 luxury homes. 3 Lambos and one yacht
in USA a CEO can afford 5 luxury homes, 10 Ferrarris and 3 yachts.
See the difference.?
How many dutch boys have walked on the moon?
What the fuck does that have to do with it? Our infrastructure is LIGHT years ahead of the USA. Why can't you retards update to the 21st century.
Answer me that , Fucktard!!!
You're being overly contentious and since this is Fight Club, I'm returning the favor.
You've got a valid point. I no longer defend the USA, since I'm told I don't even have a right to defend myself. Now, whenever somebody brags about the USA, I simply ask them to brag about Detroit.
Dutch Boy, your country relies on American largesse for its military defense. Basically, you are parasites on us. Of course you can afford various things that you couldn't afford, if you paid for your own defense.
Pretty much.
And on the very next thread the euro-twats will jump back over the shark to complain about the manner in which their security blanket is provided to them.
Its like mass psychosis or sumpin.
Conchita van der Waal for EU President! ;-)
And how many Americans have walked on the moon in the past 40 years, or ever for that matter?
Reliving past glories, be they real or imaginary is a sure sign of an empire on its last legs.
Most McD's stores are owned by small businessmen, and anyway, what business is it of anyone, except the BoD and shareholders, how much a CEO is paid?
Whenever someone gets the urge to pull out his dick and wave it around, I generally check the facts and figures.
This website normally does the trick...
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?countr...
No one gives a fuck.
Interesting website. I tripled my income the day I left the USA 26years ago.
No one gives a fuck and thats why you are going downhill.
BTW. payday loans here are illegal and I don't know of anyone losing their home or living off CC's/
Wife and I eat like kings for 100 euros a week. We don't go to restaurants because we enjoy cooking fresh wholesome non GMO food.
BTW, why is your unemployment in real numbers about 20 percent while ours is about 6 percent?
Why do you people pay thru the nose for health insurance which is actually rate 37th in the world?
I pay 90 Euros a month for unlimited health care with an annual deductible of 375 Euros.. How much do you pay?
And having lived in the USA for 35 years I can assure you our health care is far superiour.
Im glad you made the move too
Me too, very happy and wouldn't go back for a million bucks/. I have never been on unemployment and went to whre the high paying jobs were. OVERSEAS.
Have a nice day and enjoy your fascist police state.
Enjoy your front seat for the next war
Er,,,, our last war?
Clue, you are still waving your dick...
>I tripled my income the day I left the USA 26years ago.
So 26 years ago, minimum wage in the US was ~$3.25/hr... Congrats on the pay raise...
But if you want dick waving... I've made close to or over $100K a year since turning 30...(never had any complaints about health care until Obamacare... so I'll give you that one)
I own an 1800 sq ft home in the middle of nowhere, with a full basement, a 3/4 acre fully stocked pond w/ catfish and bass, and a cavernous outbuilding where I house my woodshop. This all sits on 20 wooded acres.
I eat well because I buy live animals at auction and have them butchered locally, and I grow my own food, generally from heirloom seeds.
We can play this game all day...
Next you'll be telling me about Dutch exceptionalism. Like I said, no one cares about the size of your dick except perhaps your wife.
The minimum wage here is about 15 dollars an hour. EVERYONE gets 5 weeks vacation from Day one on the job whether working for McD's or you are a brain surgeon. Its the NATIONAL LAW...
Oh, so the US worker is subsidizing you too?
WTF are you talking about? US doesnt'subsidize anyone except the warmakers and MIC. Fuck you and fuck your warmongering country and fuck your Congress and mullato monkey and Killary and McAnus and other vile bastards
The US subsidized the European welfare state for nearly 50 years. The brief respite of European peace and relative prosperity simply would not have happened had the European power structure not been able to provide social welfare benefits to maintain a docile public.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system because it concentrates ownership in the hands of a few and its profit motives is causing us to run against planetary limits on resource use. Socialism, as in the conversion of industries into free associations of workers competing against each other in a free market (with a relatively minimal state ensuring the protection of those unable to work, the national defense, environmental protection, and other appropriate functions), would maintain the market system which has given capitalism its strength and flexibility while giving ownership to those who work, rather than those who don't. In such a situation the state, not private issuers, would have control over currency (which would be debt-free).
Social democracy, as has been practiced in Europe, should only be a halfway house between these two states. It creates a massive national debt due to the borrowing into existence of large quantities of money for welfare states. It encourages consumer-driven, rather than technology-driven, economic growth, which causes damage to the limited planet we have, and leads to secondary private debt bubbles in property and other assets. Its support requires taxes onerous to the small businessman or free association of producers and only bearable by the largest corporations. In short, when sustained it re-creates the worst aspects of state socialism and financial capitalism without any of the redeeming characteristics.
"American workers are getting fucked"
American are slowly beginning to realize this. It's a hard thing to accept when you have been brought up all your life to believe Americans have the best standard of living and everything in the U.S is the best. The relentless propaganda from the MSM, movies etc. has take its toll. Very few American even have a passport and have never been out of the country. Most Americans have been incurious and willfully ignorant of life in the rest of the world. They don't know any better. It's kind of sad really.
Soon as you have to provide your own defense against the Russians, it's all over for you.
So enjoy it while it lasts.
Yeah, communism is great when someone else is paying the defense bill. Fucking Eurotrash arent worth arguing with, specially the Dutch.
You know They don't use headstones on dutch graves, they just plant them head up and chisel the epitaph on their rock heads.
That store was in a bad place. It was 3 miles from the nearest freeway, in a mostly warehouse area in a poor Mexican neighborhood.
Of course, you wouldn't expect a Walmart store in the center of Hollywood.
I posted this about the Kali store a couple of days ago...WMT pushing back against the SEUI scum seems far more likely a reason for store closures, than a TEOTWAWKI data point.
Finally someone gets it. I made exactly that statement in the first zh thread. Ours anti union activity
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-15/why-walmart-mysteriously-shutte...
It is WalMart’s subtle method of conveying to the Proles that there is a vast reserve army of labor waiting for their jobs!
Of course it was a plumbing problem.
The breakroom was full of shit.
Just to show how brainwashed many of you are some commenters here preface their comment with ''I am not pro union'' as if its a bad thing. LOL
Keep drinking the kool aid.
Public demonstatration by unions during the past several years have openly sported Communist flags and slogan placards. I can't write what I think should really be done in response to their open proclamations.
Why can't you write are you a fucking coward?, Fact is , Dumbo, Walmart is more like Communism. in the Soviet Union they had ONE store. it was called G.U.M.
Oh and one more thing. What do you have against workers?? I bet you are one of those cocksuckers that is only interested in shareholders and sitting back making money doing NOTHING.
Man, your response is that of a typical SEUI/Organizing For Amerika prole. I have a prescription for those of your ilk, but again, I'll be arrested for voicing it in the Land of the Free.
Anyway, retail employees have no moral, legal, or economic right to any wage or benefit beyond what the market suggests. $15 an hour at McD's? ...bring on the robots post haste. When the various trade agreements, (NAFTA, etc) were passed, and the current one under the radar (Pacific xxxx), that signaled the beginning of the end of the US as a manufacturing nation and under no circumstances does a retail job warrant manufacturing wages.
You want to help workers, work toward stopping the DemPublicans from farming out the manufacturing base in exchange for buying US gov't debt. I've worked at very low end jobs (wiping the disabled butts, cleaning a butcher shop, insert machine op at a newspaper, ect.) and decided early on that I wanted better, much better and tried to make that happen.
I did menial jobs also before moving up in the world and getting educated and my FAA certification./ but unlike YOU , you seem to think EVERYONE can do what we did .
You have this ''I got mine, fuck you, attitude'
A movement demanding a "living wage" for some of the most unskilled jobs in existence do not impress me in slightest as people striving to better themselves.
Fine , then continue to living an archaic crumbling craphole of tent cities. ByBye
We're broke in part because we're paying for your military defense.
BTW, I've been reading about the widespread poverty in Europe...Western Europe. Even in Germany, poverty is growing rivaling poverty rates here. We're a European welfare state now, and the path is only downward.
Shit for brains phony mothefuckers like you spout FREEDOM but are against Communists? hahaha
Hey fuckhead, we have had communist party in all countries here for years. They share a place in govt but they don't run the show.
WE also have about 6 or 7 parties sharing power. UNLIKE the USA where you have 2 parties and both are more or less the same. Fucking warmongering sons of bitches that kiss the ass of Corporations.
I'm quite aware of the sterile nature of the body politic of the US. That doesn't change my presription for Communists, which btw, used to be illegal in this country. The only good Red and a dead one, and I feel more strongly about that today than 20 years ago. Of course, today, most Merikans are Red, but they're too ignorant to realize it and suffer an extreme case of Dunning-Krugerism.
You dont' have a fucking clue what Communism is. like me give you a hint. When a large segment of the population is working for the govt or leeching off the govt. Thats Communism and you guys are FAR and AWAY the leaders in that.
WE have small govt here and LOADS of small businesses and real competition but yet we have people calling us ''socialists' LOL
You need to do some international travel and have your myths dispelled.
Communist or Fascist, not much difference for the average person. Who has small gov't? What nation are you referencing? Otherwise, I don't disagree with your assessment of Amerika in the slightest.
We have small govt here in the NL. in fact its hard to find a real human being to talk to. Its all computerized now.
And, you leech off of us for your military defense. You can afford a lot of extra goodies if you are a free-loader that way.
Hey fuckface, its the USA that force the protection racket on us., for some bogeyman they concoct,
Jesus Christ you are a brainwashed fucktard. No wonder your country is going down the tubes.
Come on, you can do it! Write what you really think should be done to those that dare to use the first amendment.
Crony capitalism is different from Communism, how, exactly? We are not a banana republic when the next "election" is Bush or Clinton?
Oligarchy/Plutocracy 2016! 2+2=5
Communists have no rights; not civil, not human. They rate not the slightest taste of even common courtesy.
Crony capitalism is a made up word used by most Progs to smear free enterprise. I remember reading about (and spoke to some) Russians who had immigrated to the US during the 1980's and found "freedom" as we use to define it, as a living hell. Many returned because the basic elements of self sufficiency were provided by the State, rather than people having to struggle and worry about aquiring those necessities in the US. Corporate monopolies and cartels are hardly capitalistic, as even when the "People" own the means of production, in fact the monopoly of the government is the ultimate "cronyism" in existence.
Well, what did you expect? Check out the WH visitor logs for Obummers first 30 days in office. Who wore a path in the carpet of the Oval Office? (and during a financial crisis, to boot) Was it the head of the Chamber of Commerce? Or maybe a few industrial titans?
Nope. Andy Stern, SEIU. 33 visits in 30 days. However, I think Schulmann from IRS went on to break that record.
Where are these protestors when our government wants to carry out free trade agreements with nations willing to treat its own citizens as near slave labor and pollute the environment with wild abandon, thus undercutting American manufacturing that abides by robust labor and environmental laws? Where were these protestors when the government, with collusion from the banks, printed trillions of dollars into existence, debasing the dollar so much that their wages became unlivable?
I'm sure Wallymart could afford to pay these people a little bit more, but it still would not be enough. The masses never seem to know who the real enemy is, but rather grab at the closest cog in the machine.
City 17:
https://www.google.com/search?q=City+17&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
If anybody really believes that the free shit would stop flowing even if Walmart raised it's wages you are delusional. Dicktator Obola would just change the definition of poor with his pen(is) and phone.
Biggest growth industry here in past 10 years is delivery services because more and more people are buying online where you get the best prices. It also saves gas not having to drive and park the car.
What some stores are complaining about is people research a product they want to buy and want to see it phsically. so they go to the store and then go home and order it online.
I bet there are over 100 delivery services here including the normal FEDEX, UPS and DHL and TNT>
Many subcontractors working for them.
Ohh, my you're naive.
Who manufactures those delivery vehicles?
Not Americans haha, I suspect you are the naive one here. Ignorant is a better word.
Not Amerikans Junior. Who produces the consumer goods that enable you to write your jibberish? Who produces those glass cockpits, you fly around in ?
I'll bet you're that person buying the front end of consumer cyclicals? Heavily weighted family names?
lol. Karl ICON has some good names for you. Klorox?
Again, MORON, its not Americunts that are making those things.
Biggest growth industry here in past 10 years is delivery services because more and more people are buying online where you get the best prices. It also saves gas not having to drive and park the car.
What some stores are complaining about is people research a product they want to buy and want to see it phsically. so they go to the store and then go home and order it online.
I bet there are over 100 delivery services here including the normal FEDEX, UPS and DHL and TNT>
Many subcontractors working for them.
You can always tell who are the people who like nto invest. So they just bash the poor sucker who can barely afford nto pay rent and feed the kids because of low wages.
What do you lazy mothefucking WallStreet type advise?? Tell them to put their rent money into stocks?
Fuck the shareholders. UP with the workers.
I bet you fucks really think you are cool ., chowing down on your 175 dollar burgers and looking down at the workers.
The solution is to not have children if you're only worth minimum wage. Businesses do not, nor should they, care how many children you have.
Tell me, how are we supposed to get our below-replacement fertility back to 2.1 if we tell people to have even fewer children? It's not just minimum wage people, but "middle class" debt slaves, who are unable to have children due to financial restraints.
If they can't afford children, they aren't 'middle class.'
We have too many low-no skill workers - they don't need to breed anymore.
It's Walmarts fucking store and they can do whatever they want with it for whatever reason.
I'm old school and my daddy always used to say "nobody OWES you a living." Live it, love it or fuck off loser!
You view capitalism as something self-evident, when it is actually full of contradictions. Why should those who refuse to work for their daily bread (shareholders) be allowed to, nay, lionized for skimming the top off the labor of others?
Who said shareholders refuse to work? Most people get to own businesses or pieces of businesses because the started the business, because they worked at the business or because they worked and saved and invested in the business. Everyone has opportunity to be an owner of a piece of a public company if they work and save. That is pretty great.
When I made minimum wage, I worked days, weekends and nights. Eventually, living under my means every year and investing created wealth that works for me decades later. Name another system that is fairer or has done better creating a higher standard of living for everyone.
Being a worker is always a crappy proposition versus being an owner. But workers can become owners under capitalism unlike many other systems.
Why don't you cut to the chase and say fuck the bourgeois and up with the Proletariat?
Because he was getting the correct point across. Capitalism, as in management of large concerns by and for shareholders divorced from the actual furnishing of products and services, must absolutely end for the good of people and the planet. Workers, NOT Wall Street banks and NOT the state, should be running industries.
The low class overweight buffoons in the photos and video aren't fit to run a shoeshine stand.
DutchBoy2015 Retired Flight Engineer.
Have you done any time over the French Alps?
yes quite a few times going to Geneva. photos here.,
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0
it's reaffirming that you chose to(retire) and land at your original destination.
Thanks for the link. Most commercial aircraft require 2 pilots. Fight engineers were phased out in the early '90's. ETOP's
The L10'11's and MD11's still fly with flight engineers.
You must have retired from a cargo carrier.
+1000
Does that DC-8 VIP config look like a freighter?? Oh, BTW, that was in 2002-2003. Long time retired ,
Some older 747s use FE also. Freighters. DC-10's MD-11s. hard to find any TriStars anywhere anymore.
ETOPS is for Twin Engine Aircraft,. What are you on about?
Amazon is the competitor now. If Walmart can't match their prices, they are gone. Labor must realize they now compete against low cost robots runing 24/7 at far away low rent distribution centers. Labor can try and unionize and demand higher wages, but the businesses will just close and the migration online will occur faster.
This isn't some Walmart conspiracy, it's simple economics. The unions will end up with no local jobs if they demand wages that are too high.
WalMart is a joint-stock company answerable to its shareholders, not to unions who can only negotiate with and cannot control the decisions of management. It is not, as it would ideally be, a free association of producers in which board members are accountable primarily to workers and not to private shareholders who do not work for the vast majority of their income.
Put the blame where it lies, with the greedy shareholders and not unions who are, legally speaking, not in a position to "demand" anything.
Seems to imitate the movie "Jack Reacher," where the sociopaths kill four innocent victims to hide the motive for their fifth "true target." Nothing new under the sun. Seems really strange that Walmart, Tyson Foods and the Clintons come out of Arkansas, where Winthrop Rockefeller was governor during their incubation times. Sort of like cancer growing in the heart of America.
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Prison Labor as the Past -- and Future -- of American “Free-Market” Capitalism
By Steve Fraser and Joshua B. Freeman
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175531/tomgram%3A_fraser_and_freeman,_cr...
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Very good observation about an under observed Amerikan phenomenon. Just wait until they fire up the FEMA camps, thats when you'll see the Amerikan gulag archipelago kick into high gear. They will be able to add ZH "extemists" to the labor camps.
That was a pretty sad way to try to beg out. If I was running the show, I'd simply raise all prices to cover the costs. If you are not profitable, you close the store, based on the fact that you're not profitable. Simple.
Meremortal's Rule #34 of Headlines: If the headline has a question mark, the article is bullshit.
Zilz's Rule of Posting: Don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person.
dont close walmart. stop all gov aid checks and that will kill walmart off really quickly....
Some of you are just too damn silly.
The trollery on Walmart pieces is getting out of control. Welfare is the problem here, it is the destroyer of people and whole nations. Welfare is nothing more than a social bandaid initiated by tyrants to prevent revolt while a nation is hijacked by tyranny. Think about it.
If Welfare didn't exist Walmarts low wages couldn't exist. Why? Because people would have burnt shit down and got the guillotines out. If Welfare didn't exist our jobs wouldn't have been outsourced overseas, Or at least not for long. Why? Fire and guillotines.
The boiling frog syndrome cannot take place if people immediately feel the pinch. The pinch is much less severe if dealt with early. It's far too late for this to matter now. EBT riots coming to a town near you.
Welfare is economic novocaine. They are sawing our leg off and people don't even notice.
The conclusion made in this article goes way beyond what the facts support.
Five stores were shut, one of which was a site of continued labor unrest. Therefore, that store was shut to punish the workers. That is what the article suggests that we believe.
What about the other four stores which are located in three other states? If Walmart's reason for closing them is not the true one, why were they closed? The article does not mention any labor unrest in those other stores.
Would Walmart shut a profitable store just to punish employees? If Walmart only cares about profits, the answer is no.
It would do Walmart little good to close a profitable store to punish employees unless restive employees in other stores would be intimidated by the closing. Is that the case? The article does not claim so.
The reasoning in this article is very lame; this article does not deserve to be published on ZH.
we need more unions and labor activism in america...a LOT more...
No we don't. And I'm a dues paying union "member"
I'll bet you are Bumboy. What a crock.
Thanks for contributing to the dialogue.
Siigghh...
You anti-union guys are missing the point. Read your fucking history. You have organized labor, or the working class lives in abject poverty. There has NEVER been an option 3. Never. Now look. Most of you guys who are anti-union and in favor of a low minimum wage are also opposed to .gov handouts. You can't have it both ways. I don't care what kind of system you have, the vast majority of jobs in ANY industrialized economy are going to fall under the category of unskilled labor. Every person in the world could pull himself up by his bootstraps, get skills, learn a trade, whatever, but there will never be enough skilled labor jobs to go around. You're not going to change that. Soooo... you either have a minimum wage for unskilled labor that you can live on (and by that I mean ONE JOB can put food on the table and keep a roof over the head), or you have a huge percentage of the population on welfare. Once again there is not, and never will be, a third option.
A lot of you are old enough to know better. Many of you are old enough to remember when a teenager working at McDonald's could afford a cheap-ass apartment in a major city. Then you look at today's labor market, and you have the unmigitated gall to tell those who are struggling that it's their own damn fault? Assholes.
Let me ask a question that I've asked in other threads but never got a reply to: Have any of you actually ever watched or read Fight Club? And if the answer is yes, did you ever stop to actually think about watch you were watching/reading? I have a funny feeling most people here would probably say that book/movie is full of shit. But I'll tell you this: there's far more truth there than you'll find in Ann Rand's shitty books.
Sure if you are a post-modern nihilist.
Look, dude... the system isn't broken. It works flawlessly, exactly as it was designed. We are simply in denial about it's purpose. This means it can't be fixed... the Laizze Faire libertoonian fantasy won't fix it, and the communist fantasy won't fix it either. Because it's not broken. The one very slim hope we have is not to reform or fix it, but to destroy it. In truth i think we will fail... have already failed. We have nothing but one form of tyranny or another to look forward to. Orwell was an optimist.
No idea what any of that meant. Why do you think pro-union is the way to go? No plattitudes or bromides. I've seen both sides, and my opinion has changed over time, but I can't make any sense out of what you just mashed into the keyboard.
I think that if you actually believe in the system and want to perpetuate it, being opposed to unions and minimum wages you can live on makes no damn sense. That is, unless you think poverty for the masses is the right and proper state of the world. Since most posters here do seem to want to maintain the system in some form and do not seem to think poverty for the masses is the right and proper state of things, their anti-union and anti-minimum wage stance is retarded.
For myself... I want an environment in which not paticipating in the money economy is a reasonable option. I believe that is absolutely the ONLY road to freedom. And we won't get it unless this whole rotten cesspool comes crashing down.
Bull. I worked at McDonalds full time in the 70's. I could only afford a cheap apartment because I had a roommate, no car and lived off canned corn. Who are you trying to fool???
excellent post., too bad the morons gave you thumbs down. They are fucktards. If you can escape the USA like I did and tripled my income overnight.
The world today is full of examples of a 3rd way as is history.
(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-15/why-walmart-mysteriously-shutte...)
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0The one shut down "near Los Angeles" is in Pico Rivera. Not exactly prime real estate any more. Check out the Google Images for "Pico Rivera":
https://www.google.com/search?q=pico+rivera&biw=1366&bih=670&tbm=isch&so...
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0Nothing that I saw looked too much different from anywhere else? I didn't see any whites so from that aspect it seems like a nicer part of Mexico?
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0Thx, I found a pic and a link for a WalMart in Pico Rivera. There seems to be a picket line in front of the store and an attached DemProg story about third worlders demanding this and that.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/11/walmart_could_beat_payday...
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0Yep. Strikes in 2012 and Nov. 2014 ("Workers say they want changes...", video: well they got their change!)
2014
http://ktla.com/2014/11/13/at-pico-rivera-wal-mart-workers-critics-prote...
2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/walmart-strike-la-workers-walk-...
Walmart Strike: Dozens Of LA Workers Walk Off The Job In First-Ever Strike Against Retailer
"For the first time in Walmart's 50-year history, workers at multiple stores have gone on strike, even though their jobs are not protected by a labor union."
I wonder which "multiple stores"? Maybe the ones with sudden current "plumbing" problems?
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0http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/23/walmart-strike-black-friday_n_2...
Lancaster TX (close to Dallas, suburbs); Midland TX (quite a ways out); Paramount, CA (not too far from Pico Rivera). Boynton Beach Fl on the other side of the state.
Then again:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/walmart-strike-dallas-arkansas-...
Walmart workers walked off the job in Dallas, Seattle, the San Francisco Bay area, Miami, the Washington, D.C., area, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Chicago and Orlando,
Oklahoma?
"According to the group Making Change at Walmart, “a thousand store protests are planned in Chicago, Dallas, Miami, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Milwaukee, Los Angeles, Minnesota, and Washington, D.C.” "
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/19/1213411/walmart-black-friday...
Nothing on Brandon, Fl.
Who knows?
So far they are set to hit Walmart stores in Illinois, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Washington DC. - See more at: http://hiphopenquirer.com/walmart-workers-call-for-a-strike-days-before-... So far they are set to hit Walmart stores in Illinois, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Washington DC. - See more at: http://hiphopenquirer.com/walmart-workers-call-for-a-strike-days-before-...
So far they are set to hit Walmart stores in Illinois, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Washington DC. - See more at: http://hiphopenquirer.com/walmart-workers-call-for-a-strike-days-before-...
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0"Pico Rivera Walmart workers (that's the California Walmart that closed suddenly due to "plumbing issues") has been one of the [m]ore active OUR Walmart stores in the country. It is also the site of the first Walmart strikes, back in 2012.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/15/1377968/-5-Walmarts-close-for-p...
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0"No WALMAT protest in Brandon,FL"
Published on May 7, 2013
The say no to walmart group is protesting the construction of a Super Wal-mart and an apartment complex.
https://youtu.be/QfwVWV_lAZA
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Man tackles legally armed Walmart customer believing he was a criminal
Man tackles legally armed Walmart customer believing he was a criminal (VIDEO) 1/21/15 | by Jennifer Cruz
A man was arrested and charged with battery after he tackled a customer in a Brandon, Florida, Walmart Tuesday morning over what was later learned to be a legally carried handgun.
http://www.guns.com/2015/01/21/man-tackles-legally-armed-walmart-custome...
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0Why Tulsa?
At least 8 Americans have jacked off at Walmart since 2013
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/243149/at-least-8-americans-have-jacked-...
2/8 in Tulsa (25% of all Walmart jack-offs prefer Tulsa)
Plus,
Police: Man Flashed Child In Toy Section Of Tulsa Walmart
http://www.newson6.com/story/28240479/tulsa-police-man-flashed-child-in-...
Perverted and violent, too:
First-degree murder charges were filed against two men Thursday in connection with a fatal shooting at a Tulsa Walmart store.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/two-men-charged-with-murder-in...
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0Tyler TX? Just too many danged Walmarts?
Fourth Walmart Supercenter in the works
"Although Tyler already has three Walmart Supercenters, as well as a recently opened Walmart Neighborhood Market, Ms. Hatfield said there is enough demand at the existing stores to build another one."
Published on Sunday, 20 April 2014
http://www.tylerpaper.com/TP-Business/198497/fourth-walmart-supercenter-...
Midland TX? nothing so far.
Manuela Rosales, 25, who works in the cellphone department of the Pico Rivera store, said she walked out on Thursday, missing her afternoon shift, because “when we speak out, they cut my hours in retaliation and they have me pull pallets, which is very hard work.” She added, “I’m a single mom and I can’t afford them cutting my hours.”
If I were a single mother and worried about my hours, I'd keep my mouth shut and behave myself instead of getting "30 days in the cooler".
That is when you say "Equal work for equal pay" to her. I work in manufacturing and the women always try to get the guys to lift the 50lb bags for them.
"Equal work for equal pay."
You've come a long way baby!
She should have thought about becoming a single mother when she started menstruating.
About a year ago, new coworker made the mistake of asking me if we should raise minumum wage like they have in Seattle. I told her the truth, "you're not helping those people. All you will do is eventually destroy the jobs that do not create the value stipulated my the new wage. Low level retail jobs at places like crapmart were never meant to be full time career jobs.
What these people need are better jobs. They need to get a two year degree and learn a trade. The government knows this and they don't give a shit. Where I live you can go to a CC for next to nothing and get a two year degree in plant operations and work in the refineries around here. Job placement is %100. Yes, 100%. These guys start out at about 50K with full benefits. With OT, you can make close to 100K. This is the southwest.
She was furious. She knew about the refinery jobs. Made her shut the fuck up.
Here the refinery jobs start at $36/hr. And they have compulsory overtime. No way those guys are making less than $100k first year on the job.
Did Wally World shut down 5 stores in retaliation for strikes?
Not likely. What company would purposely reduce its yearly revenue by 100 million plus?
United you stand, divided you fall, This has been working for centuries
Yeah, americans like to bash us for being ''socialists' but I don't know of anyone losing their home or living off a CC and our unemployment rate in REAL numbers is about 6 percent while yours is about 20 percent in REAL numbers.
We also moved up from 7th to 4th in this list,
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/21...
And per capita we have SMALL govt compared to the USA. Its hard to find a real person to talk to its all computerized.
And we have per capita MUCH more small businesses than the USA. and competition is fierce in all sectors of the private economy. Real capitalism
Oh and finally we have 2 major unions in the country. Virtually everyone is a member of one, from unemployed to housewives, If our elected govt tries fucking us, we SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY.
Tardmart running on razor thin margins. Increase the wage and those margins turn to losses. The answer. Close the stores that are no longer profitable. Or raise prices and risk loss of market share.
Minimum wage destroys. And notice how the feds dictate minimum wage. The States handed them this power when they ceded their police powers to the feds when the States sought federal permission (compact clause) to join the other States in the Social Security Act.
For the few that pay attention to the constitution, look to Article 1, section 10. The States are prohibited from interfereing with the obligation of contracts. This section IS NOT a restraint on federal power. The States were prohibited from dictation wages. Yet they claim that the States can indirectly hand the feds the power to do that which they themselves are constitutionally prohibited from doing. Yet once done, the States themselves, via federal permission, can now themselves set their own minimum wage.
Does anyone else here recognize the complex legal/stauatory framework in place here that has nullified constitutional guaruntees? You will notice that the feds do NOT exercise police powers but through the federal taxing power (excise imposed on the privilege to recieve public money) state police powers are now preempted for purposes of taxation and administrative control.
We are all in a lot of trouble here.
Did WalMart Close A California Store To Punish Employees Who Protested Wages And Working Conditions?
I sure hope so.....let's have a show of hands of those here who think that high school dropouts should dictate what their wages are.......
This place has been overrun with braindead socialist morons....ever since ZH sold out to ABC "news"
talk about losing your credibility by selling out to to the socialist hebe media....
Thanks for giving us a classic example of a shit for brains Americunt wanker.
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Yeah, americans like to bash us for being ''socialists' but I don't know of anyone losing their home or living off a CC and our unemployment rate in REAL numbers is about 6 percent while yours is about 20 percent in REAL numbers.
We also moved up from 7th to 4th in this list,
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/21...
And per capita we have SMALL govt compared to the USA. Its hard to find a real person to talk to its all computerized.
And we have per capita MUCH more small businesses than the USA. and competition is fierce in all sectors of the private economy. Real capitalism
Oh and finally we have 2 major unions in the country. Virtually everyone is a member of one, from unemployed to housewives, If our elected govt tries fucking us, we SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY.
I don't like commercials.
"We went on to point out that there is no free lunch ... the supply chain has to foot the bill"
You should stop reminding your readership about this simplistic, ignorant and block-headed analysis. As I've pointed out before, there are many ways for businesses to address rising production costs and any Business 101 student can list them off. Wringing efficiencies out of the supply chain is but one strategy. Another is to reduce executive pay from a currently absurd level of ~300:1 to a more historically reasonable 50:1. This very article demonstrates another possible strategy (which I also mentioned in my last comment), reducing redundant layers of middle management. Another way, also mentioned in this article and one which Wal-Mart should embrace, is to shutter stores.
Just because you want to believe that rising compensation for people on the bottom (while ignoring rising compensation at the top) endangers the entire free market enterprise, doesn't make it so. When you ignorantly maintain this fiction, it only destroys your credibility.
Saul alinsky tactics I see. Fuck these people. Instead of asking for more money in wages to earn a living wage they might want to go ask the government why the cost of everything is going up.
Idiots who ask to increase their min wage jobs have absolutely no understanding of economics, let alone the cost of just doing business.
But this is what you get when you "educate" people to socialist Marxist crap who were never taught anything of value to be used as useful idiots to protest against the entrepreneurs so you can pressure them to become
Union employees who pay union dues that go to the party of government, ie democrats.
I hope those people got fired and were shown their replacements that same day.
Another goddam shit for brains asswipe who knows nothing., Hey fucktard my country is number 4 here. Where is the Useless Snakes of Americunts? LOL
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/21...
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Yeah, americans like to bash us for being ''socialists' but I don't know of anyone losing their home or living off a CC and our unemployment rate in REAL numbers is about 6 percent while yours is about 20 percent in REAL numbers.
We also moved up from 7th to 4th in this list,
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/21...
And per capita we have SMALL govt compared to the USA. Its hard to find a real person to talk to its all computerized.
And we have per capita MUCH more small businesses than the USA. and competition is fierce in all sectors of the private economy. Real capitalism
Oh and finally we have 2 major unions in the country. Virtually everyone is a member of one, from unemployed to housewives, If our elected govt tries fucking us, we SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY.
Unemployed and houseqives in unions? You must live in paradise.
And they get to drive electric scooters instead of cars.
Paradise, I tells ya.
Better than driving your crap cars on crappy roads you have there.
Hey fucktard, We have cars and scooters and large wide bike paths that parralell all highways. What do you have? Potholed roads and you are so poor you are taking formerly paved roads and putting in gravel.
And what is with your crappy slow speed limits? 70MPH? Slowwwwwwwwwwww
Never heard of radar detectors, then?
I've driven USA East coast to West coast in two days.
I've also driven in most of Western Europe.
Pretty comparable, really.
And France has worse roads than I've ever driven in the USA.
When were you last in France? their autobahns are even smoother than Germany and same for Spain. Lots of big changes in last 30 years.
I live 15 minutes from German border and go there a lot. Why do I need a radar detector when I can cruise at 120mph+ legally? From here to Cologne is about 130 miles. I have made it there in 70 minutes many times.
I was in the States on vacation years ago and in the middle of nowhere on the interstate in Utah not a car to be seen for miles. I was cruising at 100 mph and some state cop pulled out from behind a viaduct. He asked me if I knew how fast I was going, I said yes, I did, between 95-100. Then he said, give me your license., so I gave him my German license and car rental papers. He said, ''We are going to send this ticket to Germany police''. I said (trying to stifle a laugh). Okay, officer, thank you. he drove off and I ripped up the ticket.
Are cops all that dumb? The german police probably laughed their ass off.
Not paradise but also not a fascist police state like the USA which has a crumbling infrastructure, very hi unemployment and is chock full of RETARDS like yourself who can't count to 21 without taking off their shoes and trousers.
Just to show how goddam STUPID you really are. Everyone in a union is called UNITY can keeps the govt from fucking people like YOUR govt does to you,
Now fuck off, dipshit and go pick up your foodstamps, LOSER!! LOL
Not paradise but also not a fascist police state like the USA which has a crumbling infrastructure, very hi unemployment and is chock full of RETARDS like yourself who can't count to 21 without taking off their shoes and trousers.
Just to show how goddam STUPID you really are. Everyone in a union is called UNITY can keeps the govt from fucking people like YOUR govt does to you,
Now fuck off, dipshit and go pick up your foodstamps, LOSER!! LOL
Are all dutchies as nice as you?
Yes we are, but when it comes to dealing with Americunt retards we have zero tolerance.
May your mohammedian immigrants show you the same treatment, especially your women.
Cheers!
Just to show how IGNORANT you are. I was at the pool today, Nothing but blond haired blue eyed kids screaming. then went to the mall, Still didn't see any Arabs.
Too bad fucktards like you have never been outside of your trailer park. your one brain cell is fried with FOXCNNABCCBSNBC bullshit propaganda.
What have you got? Wetbacks and niggers. LOL
Its funny how you retards take one incident ..911 which was actually done by CIA/Mossad using 19 arab patsies and you just HATE Muslims. I have never had ANY Muslim try and convert me but lots of goddam Christer fucktards got in my face.
Profanity = the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.
I guess you are right, thats why you have MORONS teaching basic training in your miltary.
Yeah I bet "own" your home like here in amerca. Don't pay those property taxes and "your" home somehow is no longer your home.
Any understanding of socialism illustrates that you are a slave and like it that way. I don't particularly like slavery, economic or physical, as a way of life.
Unions functin much the same way government and the Mafia does. They use coercion, not persuasion, to achieve their goals.
Seeings how you are an advocate I think it you who should be called out as a Fucktard you Fucktard.
A Fucktard troll at that.
Well, this fucktard owns his home outright (paid 200k Cash) and have zero debt. and I pay a measly 1000 euros a year in property tax. This for a big lot in the forest here in the Rhine Valley.
To fucktards like you anyone who tells the truth and facts is a troll. You simply refuse to learn anything new and just have your brain cell pickled by FOXCNNABCCBSNBC.
Oh, and BTW, thanks Mr.Ghaddaffi I paid cash for my home because I worked a 2 year contract for him as F.E on one of his contracted VIP aircraft., Great times . and look at our Russian flight attendants. Too bad the USA/NATO destroyed Libya (again based on lies)
So, sonny boy, this ''fucktard'' has real life experience,, 80percent of the crap you believe as gospel is pure bullshit. Photos Here
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0
Most famous Dutch Boy: Joran van der Sloot
Most famous Dutch Company: Hertz van Rental.
Biggest Dutch fuckup. inventing stock markets.
''Coming from the Netherlands back to the USA is like leaving the Jetsons and returning to the Flintstones''-- New York Times reporter in 2011.
So you guys don't like the truth, do you. Crawl back into your single wide and go brush your tooth.
Says the clown from the country of most murders annually of any nation on earth.
The orange sociopath either tuckered himself out or momma called him up for sphagetti-os.
Haha, sociopath? I lay some FACTS are you guys and you get all huffy, Its no wonder you are losers.
If you want to be successful nation you might ask questions from people in countries that are successful.
I..e Health care. education, updating infrastructure, etc etc.
But NOOO, you guys always think you know better but the proof is in the pudding. You are crumbling and all you can do is play your juvenile libs vs cons game.
And you call us socialists when in FACT we are more capitalistic than the USA.
Too funny,
Your seem to forget the origin of your country's wealth.
Perhaps you should take a look at the millions of natives that were murdered/raped/enslaved by the Dutch in their colonies as well as the equivilent of 100's of billions euros in wealth that were transfered to The Netherlands from their colonies.
Here's a little refresher for you:
Anegada
New Walcheren (Tobago)
Saint Croix
Tortola
Virgin Gorda
Berbice (Guyana)
Demerara
Surinam (Suriname)
Essequibo
New Holland (Brazil - Half the capitanas)
Arguin Island (in Mauritania)
Dutch Cape Colony
Dutch Gold Coast (settlements along coast of Ghana, including El Mina)
Dutch Loango-Angola (Luanda, Sonyo and Cabinda)
Gorée (Senegal)
Moçambique
São Tomé
Dutch Mauritius
Dutch East Indies (Indonesia)
Malacca
Taiwan (Tayowan)
Tonkin/Annam (Vietnam) (Tonkin, Hoi An)
Jemen, Al Mukha (Mocca)
Mesopotamia (Iraq, Al Basrah)
How about Shell Oil and Philips? LOL
If you strike at the king, you had better kill him.