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The Other 4/20: Peeking Through The Smoke Of America's Pot Industry

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On Sunday, we suggested that the increase in traveling escorts combined with a concurrent drop in spending on alcohol and gambling bodes poorly for consumer spending in the US. Retail sales have missed expectations for four months in a row for the first time since Lehman and if you believe trends in all-cash industries are a good leading indicator for spending in the “real” economy, than you have to think that falling spending on what Vice Index creator Andrew Zatlin calls “the fun stuff” is bad news for an economy that’s traditionally driven by the consumer (who, you’re reminded, is buried under nonexistent wage growth at low paying jobs). 

What we did not mention is that there’s still one area in the vice economy that’s seeing robust gains: marijuana sales. Here’s Zatlin:

Colorado has hit another new ‘high’ in tax revenues from retail (recreational) pot sales.

Where other vices are slowing, pot sales continue to hit new highs. That’s because it’s a growing business. Between new services and products and distribution channels, there’s a lot of money yet to be made here. There are untapped opportunities even for mainstream investors.

As it turns out, Zatlin’s report serves as perfect segway into a new series of infographics from Bloomberg which should serve as a helpful guide for all the “mainstream investors” out there looking to get in on an industry which is riding ‘high.’

From Bloomberg:

More than two years after Colorado and Washington became the first states to legalize recreational marijuana, a small but growing number of publicly traded companies are betting their futures on the hope of a thriving legal market for pot-based products. Bloomberg identified 55 public companies whose business is based largely or completely on legal marijuana, and whose shares traded at $0.10 or more as of April 15th. These wildly fluctuating penny stocks aren’t for the faint of heart.

 

Many of these companies have experienced the pitfalls common to penny stocks: infrequent trading and wild swings in share price. Some of the businesses once had nothing to do with marijuana but changed their product lines to get in on the ground floor of a new industry.

 

The 55 companies have a combined market capitalization of just $3 billion. But there’s plenty of room for growth. Currently 24 states have legalized medical marijuana and voters in Washington, Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and the District of Columbia have approved pot for recreational use. More may soon join them. In 2016, the question of legalizing marijuana medicinally or recreationally could be on the ballot in 12 states.

 

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While these “wildly fluctuating penny stocks” may not be appropriate for everyone, we would note that the way things are going, they may soon offer more liquidity than Treasurys and bunds.

 

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Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:32 | 6010752 BLOTTO
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I'm baked.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:37 | 6010768 swass
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So is anyone under 40 on Wall Street.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:41 | 6010773 y3maxx
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WFEM Inc.

We F*ck Everyone Marijuana Inc.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6010804 pods
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No better way to destroy something than make it into an industry which predatory capital can get a foothold.

Pretty soon pot will fall off the radar because Walmart starts selling it and it is grown on top of Chinese Tilapia farms. 

Ummm.

Pots only saving grace is that it is super easy to grow. It ain't called "weed" for nothing.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:15 | 6010879 Bioscale
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It's easy to grow, but hard to finish and deliver in high quality and taste.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:39 | 6010946 pods
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I disagree.  

Stop following the advice of the snake oil salesman and you will do fine. 
I set up an aeroponic system one winter in my garage. Not for dope, but for small peppers.  Most of the info I found was through pot forums. Had shitty problems and ruined the first go. Burned them badly and was always trying to "fix" a problem.

Eventually I found advice that was not generated in some business office of a nutrient company, and voila, they grew, and grew well. (I think I have a couple bags of habeneros in the freezer if you need, damn things were everywhere)

Still too expensive to do on an ongoing basis, and the Mrs. wasn't keen on losing the garage all winter.  It ain't tough though. Next house will have a greenhouse out back where I can tinker again.  

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:50 | 6010979 TeamDepends
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And you are a chemtrail denier! (facepalm- didn't junk you)

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:13 | 6011051 pods
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I am.  If you run the logistics, having a fleet of aircraft that are specifically flying sorties all around the world for this sole purpose, I'd say common sense is on my side.

Now, contrails that persist, that is a different argument.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:40 | 6011296 Rusty Shorts
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Aquiess Global Rain Project. "The Aquiess system can change the course of oceanic atmospheric rivers (AR) by coordinating applied resonance with satellite meteorology. The electromagnetic resonance of each station is adjusted to "hack" the atmospheric conditions to provide a path of least resistance to allow the AR flow to reach the targeted are of drought or wildfires."

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEQC-jYMjf8

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:26 | 6011418 Polonius
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I don't log in often, but when I do, I remind folks that anyone denying chemtrails is either blind or shilling.  Actually, a lot of sighted folks do see them but are unable to understand that vapor condensation in such form, quantity and persistance is physcially impossible, especially when one futher undrstands the mechanical properties of modern turbofans or fanjets.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:36 | 6011807 pods
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Okay, so I am not shilling and am not blind, but I have some questions that need answering before I will accept that this is going on due to a concerted effort to do so.

The quantity of water vapor that shows up due to planes flying by does not come from the engines. Is that what you are saying?  That it is impossible.

The quantity of fuel burned is enormous. The amount of water vapor released from combustion is large as well.  This quantity of water vapor is not the source of the trails we see? (I have already said I see the persistent contrails) 
If this is not the source of the condensate that clouds up the skies, then how much has to be released, from tanks, being sprayed, to have this effect?  What is the carrying capacity of these jets to even spray from horizon to horizon, nevermind cross country.

And if these jets are spraying something from tanks, then how many of these are required to carry out the missions?

Where are they taking off from?  I would like to see at least some rudimentary analysis that this is even possible.

I think that doubting the most obvious possibility is disingenuous.  

Is it not possible that differing atmospheric conditions cause these trails, which are seen behind commercial jets all the time, to persist?  What about an additive in the fuel?  That would be something that would allow for complete coverage of most of the US without having to actually charter jets to do this as a primary mission.

I certainly do not discount those possibilities.  

pods

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 16:19 | 6012023 Panem et Circus
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Pods, don't bother. Anyone that starts off an argument with two categories trying to pidgeon hole all opposition is just trying to shut down debate, not actually have a debate.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 16:25 | 6012039 Polonius
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This channel linked below is worth exploring.  Suggest you begin with this video showing how 85% of the thrust from modern turbofan engines comes from an internalized propleller rather than through the turnbine itself where the water vapor would be made that might form ice crystals if atmospheric conditions are perfect.  It is these ice crystals that may form a natural visible condensation trail.  Ice crystals dissipate within minutes after dispersion so the so-called persistent contrails is a fabrication.  Not to mention the fact that modern turbofans are, for all intents and purposes, incapable of producing enough vapor to form a crystalized trail.  Signing off now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJ02DRyomI

Tue, 04/21/2015 - 00:09 | 6013536 nailgunnin4you
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Segue - to make a smooth transition from one item or topic to another.

 

Segway - chariot of Gob

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:54 | 6010987 samcontrol
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I disagree pods and ÿour post is contradicting.

It takes six month of time ,effort, money , and even some love for a quality product ..!

Now go smoke your peppers :)

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:10 | 6011040 pods
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Well you are free to disagree.  

Free advice, get some Jacks hydro and Calnitrate, stop with most all the advice from the snake oil salesman, and have at it.  Jacks will cost you like 50 bucks for about 30 years of fertilizer. I use it around my garden now.

Oh, and good genetics, not some pollen chucker's beans. 

Just cause I chose to grow something legal, doesn't mean I dont know those who chose otherwise.

Ain't 6 months, unless you are growing some equatorial sativas, from seed.  But if you are actually growing bud, you are doing so from clones anyways.

How bout this, if my state were to legalize, I'll take your six month pepsi challenge?  

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:42 | 6011097 juangrande
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The problem is not growing it, it is selling it! But pods, there are many problems that start occurring the longer you do it continually in a confined area ( ie indoor). It isn't difficult, but it is a lot of work. One must be diligent. At least this is what I've heard....

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:43 | 6011136 pods
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I've lost contact with most of the old "lunch time gang" but they always wanted some. Buying it, well that was something different. Never been on the sell side of that equation. lol.

I agree that dilligence is needed. I even had that with my garden out back. I had drip irrigation, and constantly had to check for bugs (squash bugs are the worst, but hornworms could take out a tomato plant in 2 days).

I'd get back into aeroponics if time and space permitted, it was pretty fun actually. Just leaf lettuce now though. Hot peppers go a lot further than one thinks and we use a ton of lettuce in our Vitamix shakes.

When looking up info about building an aero system, almost all was from pot forums. I got a kick out of reading how a guy had dying plants because he did x,y, and z because he saw a small problem. They kill them with kindness.  Too high of a nute concentration, too big of pH fluctuations, you name it. People acted like there was something different about pot. But, some old timers on the forums had simple designs, they avoided all the snake oil, and had great results, over and over again.  Most did simple hydro, and a simple hydro system at that.  Most used a nutrient that was not "designed for MJ" and they didnt go nuts with them.  Resevoir temp and water changes go a long ways.  I doubt I could get the garage space back again though.

pods

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:51 | 6011158 Citxmech
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Full organic in real soil or nothing.  Fuck hydro.  There's more to successful growing than just moving the most weight with the quickest turnover time.  

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:12 | 6011222 pods
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Well, I have not tasted any hydro that I know of (in terms of bud), but it has been longer than I can remember either way.  I did it as something to do, and it was a lot of fun.  What I grew seemed to be decent, but again, habeneros aren't exactly edible right off the plant, and with all that heat, I couldn't taste any differences between what I did and what an organic soil would taste like.

I would tend to agree that there are things going on with plants that humans will probably never understand though, I just started using fungi for my blueberries a couple years ago, and they seemed to like it.

Kind of like what we do with vitamins as people. As soon as we find ONE physiologically active compound, it becomes a must have, but in natural foods we might get 30 different compounds in the same family (carotenoids).  Like eating foods high in carotenoids versus taking beta carotene.

pods

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:26 | 6011437 Condition 1SQ
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I can tell you this: selling is the hardest part.  Anyone can grow weed.  Very few can grow weed of such a quality that it will fly off the shelves.  Maybe 1% of growers can grow such weed.  But not only must you have absolute top quality bud, you have to have the right marketing campaign and sales force.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:01 | 6011185 AchtungAffen
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I have to disagree. It isn't easy and it isn't cheap. While common Marihuana is a weed and grows whether you like it or not, having good pot is something else. First you need the genetics (where I live you can only get imported from EU). Then if you don't have the infrastructure (I didn't try hydro), you have to acquire the lamps, the extractor, timers, building stuff, earth, special water, different types of nutrients and other tools to check contents in the earth. And then you have to do, in different places, growth and flowering. And you have to check the plants not to stress (they'll auto-fertilize and it'll become shit if it does) or to get plagues. And then you have to cure the flowers. 6 months minimum for first batch. Next batches might become faster.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:27 | 6011259 pods
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Add in all of those costs and it is many times cheaper than smoking tobacco.  Trust me, I know.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:04 | 6011373 AchtungAffen
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I know too. I'm a smoker.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:29 | 6011449 Condition 1SQ
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Well said.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:48 | 6011544 PhysicalRealm
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Good site for newbie growers:
http://www.growweedeasy.com/

No, not my site, just lots of good info.

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:25 | 6011736 Jab Cross Hook
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Nope, you're wrong. Peppers, while tasty, don't require the mastery of finish and curing processes required by good herb. I mean the kind people travel to legal states to sample. You ever drive to New Mexico for chili peppers?

Pot forums are great places to learn sustainable harvest techniques that can be applied elsewhere. But don't come here and say you read a Haynes Manual last weekend and changed your spark plugs, now you're set to win the Indy 500.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:59 | 6011897 pods
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Nevermind

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 17:27 | 6012351 Flagit
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Fore anyone paying attention,

Hawthorne Gardening Co., a Scotts subsidiary formed in October, purchased General Hydroponics Inc. and Bio-Organic Solutions Inc.

 

Hawthorne's CEO is the son of the CEO at Scotts, which is owned by Monsanto.

https://bigbudsmag.com/scotts-miracle-gro-buys-general-hydroponics-marij...

 

And don't forget how Scotts WILLFULLY sprayed birdseed, for your expensive-ass tropical bird, with pesticides.

http://grist.org/list/scotts-miracle-gro-pleads-guilty-to-selling-poison...

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:19 | 6010893 Freddie
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Chinese likes to add melamine, arsenic and other special ingredients.

I think they need to raise the taxes on pot a lot more. Do it for the children.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:14 | 6011407 11b40
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First, who ever got pot from China?

Second, raising taxes on pot will only work to a certain level.  Once past a certain point, and the local grower/dealer network comes back into play.  

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:40 | 6010953 spekulatn
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 How to position for the eventual world-wide legalization of cannabis is the new 64 billion dollar question.

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:15 | 6011056 Steal Your Face
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That is a favorite topic for discussion at The Daily Bell now:  http://www.thedailybell.com/search/?x=0&y=0&search_term=marijuana

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:46 | 6011321 Rusty Shorts
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I heard Philip Morris (Marlboro) has already bought up most of the prime cannabis growing tracts in Northern California..

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:31 | 6011457 Dave Thomas
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It's only a matter of time before the big boys roll in, Like RJ Renolyds and Phillip Morris. Once they figure out the harvesting logistics and packaging its off to the races. Smoking is so ultra uncool these days, they've got to have some serious hardons for MJ cigarettes!

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:54 | 6010805 Jayda1850
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Or am I blotto and you're baked? Shit I started too early today.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6010806 Jayda1850
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No,you're Blotto.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:15 | 6011057 Citium
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Ha! Blotto love it man. Whats up with ZH chat? Mines all fucky...

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:36 | 6011285 Beowulf55
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.........must be a new technical term.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 16:16 | 6012000 Citium
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They re-did it to where it pops up on the left side bar on ZH instead of the right where there is a larger area. Also it doesn't load it just spinning circle of death... Like I said, fucky.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:40 | 6010772 TeamDepends
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Homelessness is up in CO. There are always hidden costs.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6010809 Payne
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So MJ producers are kicking people out of their homes in CO ?  MJ industry is responsible for loss of jobs ?

MJ consumption leads to homelessness ?

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:57 | 6010822 pods
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We're a nation raised on Reefer Madness and stories of blacks using pot to coerce white girls into gangbangs.

Most will calmly deride pot while sipping on their drug of choice.

But, to get down into that argument is to let them win.

Why is it that the government can decide what you put into your body?

Canned response is that this is due to costs the government shoulders for drug abuse.

Which should lead to question why the government must take from one to give to another, but never does.

We here in America always double down on stupid.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:55 | 6010994 Ignatius
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"We here in America always double down on stupid."

Because "doubling down on stupid" is very profitable... for some.

F*ck the corporate takeover ("stocks to watch") of the coming legalized pot economy.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:04 | 6010844 First There Is ...
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Homelessness is up in CO because foolish people are pouring into the state by the thousands on a daily basis and there is probably about 20 days of housing inventory at any given time. Wages are flat to falling in some cases and the cost of living is approaching Left Coast lunacy. The epic housing bubble brewing in Denver is something to behold....

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:08 | 6011031 TeamDepends
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Totally agree, and SOME, but not all, of these foolish people are the worst of the hardcore stoners who move here for the legal weed and that is the extent of their plan. Boy, it's easy to offend the stoners of ZH! We live here and many we know who voted for it would go back and change their vote if they could. They each have their reasons and these are the hidden costs of which we spoke. Nice avatar!

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:05 | 6011197 First There Is ...
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I live in CO as well (Centennial - quickly becoming one of the epicenters for the rapidly expanding bubble). I really haven't met too many fellow Coloradoans who would go back on their vote. There are certainly some hardcore stoners who relocated to CO but I suspect most of those will wash out relatively quickly once their buddies start demanding a few hundred bucks for couch surfing privileges. They can stay in my garage for $500/month, and you know what? I might get some takers on that offer such is the insanity here. 

Overall, not much has changed here IMO. I haven't noticed an uptick in violent crime other than the normal: Denver PD beating hell out of people. There are no dispensaries within 5 miles of my home in Arapahoe County, and even then, there are not that many outside Denver proper. What makes the situation dangerous is people with bricks of C-notes in a vault because we can't get our fucking heads out of our asses and normalize banking for these people. Canada has made great strides towards rectifying this glaring problem. Why can't we? Simple - we want to hang the threat of money laundering and sudden raids/seizures over their heads. Yeah, I can't foresee a problem with a no-knock raid on a dispensary in a populated area. 

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:07 | 6010855 agstacks
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Front running the rule put in place in CA, where each dispensary must issue a certain amount of their product for free to the homeless. 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:29 | 6010926 Freddie
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Why should the homeless have to pay for dope?

The dopers are profiteers like Goldman Sachs or Corzine. they are no better than banksters.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:15 | 6010878 City_Of_Champyinz
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I am pretty sure a decent number of bums showed up for the legal drugs...

Just look at Seattle, they have a public policy of being nice to the heroin addicts shooting up, therefore there are drug addicts in the streets everywhere you look.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:11 | 6011220 First There Is ...
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Not the case I assure you. First, it is ONE -ahem- drug. It's not like dispensaries have a secret back room for heroin and coke. Most "bums" I have met who exhibit chemical dependencies are not at all interested in pot. Heroin, meth or coke? Sure. No one is handing out needles in CO and I don't trip over junkies when walking around downtown. And the outlying areas like Littleton, Centennial, Parker, Highlands Ranch, Cherry Hills, Castle Rock are hardly drowning in vagrants. These are some extremely affluent areas with many inhabitants working in Defense, Tech and Finance. Drive 10 minutes south of Denver and you will be hard pressed to find a homeless pothead. Stoners driving Range Rovers with $2500 carbon fiber mountain bikes mounted on top is closer to it....

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:39 | 6011498 Dave Thomas
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I'll get ultra-junked for saying, but dope saps your motivation. Just like booze.

How many times you get baked then just fritter the afternoon away? Very few folks I've known write symphonies, clean the garage, water the plants, mow the yard, etc when their baked.

After all why do you think Soros was one of the biggest backers of Prop 19 in California? You bet they want it legalized. You think folks are gonna get out in the streets and start bitching about being a debt slave when you can spark one and toke on some dank keif?

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:43 | 6010781 HonkyShogun
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B-Real, Sen Dog and D.J. Muggs had something to say about this if I recall:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZHnGshksbg

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6010783 Jayda1850
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As much as I would like to see the legalization of all drugs, the feds will be the last to change their stance. Prison is a business and there are way too many people in prison for weed to let them all go. Still a generation away.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6010820 Hongcha
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Yes Jayda1850.  There is a lot of money to be made in the enforcement / prison business.  Ken Burns' Prohibition' makes for interesting viewing.  The situation now with cannabis is analogous in many ways.  I would bet LE was not happy with losing prohibition.  Certainly the mobs were not.  

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:10 | 6010859 Jayda1850
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I've seen, one of the many oustanding ken burns films. People always contemplate how germans fell under the spell of hitler, I am still trying to figure out how there was, not just enough support to pass a law, but enough to pass a constitutional amendment banning alcohol. Yeh I know that is a crude analogy, but if anyone tried to take my drink in the name of the government, I would be screaming Nazi at the top of my drunken lungs.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:10 | 6011043 Abaco
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Why do you distinguish between the mobs and LE?

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6010830 Mike Honcho
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Legalization isn't neccessary, decriminalization is.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:29 | 6010929 Harbanger
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Even pot heads know there's no taxation in decriminalization.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6010785 dexter_morgan
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Dude, far out man.........

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:46 | 6010793 venturen
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can't they legalize herion, coke, meth....then all will awesome

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:33 | 6010932 Harbanger
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Crackheads too antsy to wait for prescriptions.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:42 | 6011303 Beowulf55
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check out Portugal.......all legal and no crime because of it.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:52 | 6011337 Rusty Shorts
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All those were legal when the mighty USA was being built, then came the bible thumping do-gooders and lawyers...sigh

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 10:55 | 6010817 entendance
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EDXC, IMLFF, VAPE, KAYS, TRTC our Cannabis Stocks.

More at

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:26 | 6010914 oddjob
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Sell them all and buy Naturally Splendid.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6010831 thunderchief
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Legalisation of pot is the one bright spot in the USA.  

It's just the rest is as if policy is made high as a kite.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:26 | 6010920 Freddie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iFVfwMnG4

Pot is a gateway drug. Jack Webb warned us with "blue boy." The idiot actor painted his face blue and gold like UCLA where the moron went to school.

Sadly, he died in Vietnam with Lumpy Rutherford and Eddie Haskell.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:59 | 6011008 samcontrol
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complete bs comment also.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:21 | 6011075 pods
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Lumpy and Eddie died in Vietman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Osmond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bank

 

Seems neither of these two died in Vietnam.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 14:25 | 6011433 11b40
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Freddie has had this pointed ou to him before - by me and others, but he just keeps on posting about Eddie Haskel & Lumpy dying in VN.  Both are alive and well.

Freddie "believes" a lot of things that are wrong.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:59 | 6011006 samcontrol
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thûnderchief

total bs comment..

Some places in the US it,s cool and legal to smoke but wrong place and wrong time could put you years in jail and ass raped .
great fucking system.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:03 | 6010840 PoliticalRefuge...
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How much longer can the straw dog of Sched. I be maintained?- that is the only real impediment left, once that has been discounted for the joke it is- then maybe the madness can finally be addressed rationally.

na..  what am I thinking? it's much too valuable for control to ever let slip through the fingers.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:13 | 6010873 Byte Me
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Any of these stocks have transferrable shareholder perks??

Interested parties need to know.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:40 | 6010950 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The Committee to Ruin the World [see Time Magazine] must have been influenced by all the reefers they smoked back in the 80s. I think they must have contracted reefer madness on Wall Street. Hookers n' Cocaine are gateway drugs IMHO.

 

Is money a gateway drug?

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:12 | 6011048 Abaco
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Milk is a mucha gateway drug as weed.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:27 | 6011100 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I agree. Frankly, I was drinking milk when I started smoking cigarettes and then I started drinking coffee with cream, and that must of been the straw that broke the camel's back because I started smoking weed after that.

 

Toast with peanut butter and jelly is a gateway drug too IMHO. I remember eating toast with peanut butter and jelly and then having  the urge to smoke weed and listen to blues tunes.

 

:|

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:25 | 6011255 pods
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It is a little known fact that every serial killer in history has at one time or another taken H2O.

I'll leave it up to you to decide.

pods

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:32 | 6011120 juangrande
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Pot is a gateway drug..... to sugar!

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 11:55 | 6010993 falak pema
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The YUAN is more and more the reserve currency of a number of countries in Africa :

http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2015/04/20/le-yuan-chinois-un-nouv...

Not only in Asia, now in Africa the new Eldorado of tomorrow.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:00 | 6011011 samcontrol
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never tried smoking Yuan is it any good?

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:46 | 6011846 11b40
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Ask Freddie.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:15 | 6011058 Monetas
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Smoke coke !

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:57 | 6011178 Citxmech
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Do not [smoke] de coke, only smoke da sensimilla:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42zRVDTLKyY

 

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 12:46 | 6011147 roadhazard
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A little background music for this thread.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLyHH8gsN-Y

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 13:49 | 6011330 jon dough
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Ha, I pulled in about 20k on MDBX back when it did that psycho ramp back in early 2013.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 18:08 | 6012497 Flagit
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Cool idea, but it's just a vending machine with a fucking ipad glued to the outside.

They want you to pay them, and have them handle all the paperwork and write your procedures. They won't even tell you anything about their procedures until you write them a check for around $20k, and that is just to get the ball rolling.

Oh, and they DO NOT, or didn't when I spoke to them, DO NOT cultivate. They strictly handle dispensing operations.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:07 | 6011636 Pancho de Villa
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Feliz 4/20 Peoples!   /www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf5y0HAzg3w

 

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:24 | 6011727 Jab Cross Hook
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Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:34 | 6011751 Sorry_about_Dresden
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When the Republicans take the WH the whole industry is going to be annihilated. It will be great times for defense lawyers and private correction facilities.

Possession of marijuana is still a federal offense. Manufacturing a schedule 1 compound i.e. marijuana is still a federal crime.

You don't think those MFers are going are NOT going to shut you down?

I will feel sorry for all those in the "smoke me states" when they are sodomized by the feds when they are ordered to enforce existing federal law.

What is to stop them? They have already flipped on people in California shutting down clinics. They won't let those dispensaries even deposit money in a bank.

You have been warned. If a Republican takes office all bets are off and courts will packed with people charged with manufacturing a schedule 1 drug which is punishable by LIFE IN PRISON. No different than heroin in the eyes of the law as the statutes are now written.

You potheads are going to miss Eric, do nothing, Holder. Just wait to see what NAZI is appointed as Attorney General when Hillary loses the election.

I would buying some money if I were in the trade. They might need it if they EVER get out of FYITA prison!

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:46 | 6011847 Pancho de Villa
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Whut the Fuck you talkin' about, "Manufacturing... marijuana..."? Like Neil, I just "plant that pill and let it grow"... he, he, he... 

 

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCIzMCrYoUw

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 16:54 | 6012196 11b40
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Nope.  Pandora's box has been opened, and there is no turning back now.  Just look at the major push on CNN & MSNBC that went on over the weekend.  Hardly anything negative, and a boatload of positives.  

States are looking at all that tax revenue, and waking up to the cost of incarcerating potheads, too.  I will bet that it won't be a schedule one drug past 2015.  It is already documented fact that there are medical uses.  

Republicans are already on the wrong side of demographics and social change.  Start trying to clamp down on pot, and it will just quicken the demise of the GOP.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 17:26 | 6012345 Sorry_about_Dresden
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Bob Goodlatte on Drugs Republican Representative (VA-6), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee

Voted yes to prohibit implementing an approved ballot initiative to legalize the medicinal use of marijuana.

Since only the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee can bring the issue of ending federal prohibition up for discussion or a change in scheduling in the Senate. I don't think it will happen under a chairman that votes to prevent implementation of legalized medical marijuana.

Please, don't kill the messenger.

You think the Dems will win in 2016? Do you think the Dems will be a majority in the Senate in 2016?

If the Republicans hold both houses and win the WH you can forget about all the progress made since Obummer took office.

When you vote Republican you vote for tyranny. Voting for Democrats is about the same.

I want to go buy a sack of the kind bud just as much as any stoner but, I won't risk my freedom. To old to go to prison and I hate paying a lawyer.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 19:04 | 6012662 11b40
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He may try to stop the tide of history, but he will be overcome.

I would say that the fate of the Senate is debateable.  The Democrats had to defend too many of the wrong seats during the mid terms, and their base is hard to turn out for those in-between elections, too.  Just look at what happened to them in 2010.

 

2016 is going to be wild.  Unbelievable amounts of money, and probably as nasty an elections as we have ever seen.  You can love them or hate them, but don't count the Clinton's out.  If Hillary pumps up the base, & the Republicans don't find that special unifying candidate that can get their base to the polls in large numbers, it could well be another sweep for the Dems.  Romney couldn't do it in 2012, the demographics are worse for the GOP, and there are a bunch of them even further alienating females, youth, blacks, gays, immigrants, and just about any other minority group...in other words, the future, as folks like you and me become the minority in evermore areas of the country.

The states will force this change if Washington doesn't act.  The voters will demand it as more evidence comes in from the states where it is legal.  Fewer arrests & a declining prison population, increased tax revenues, more medical uses documented.  All those old tall tales to scare us away from the killer weed will melt away, and sending people to jail for smoking it will become unacceptable.  It already is in many, many places.  If you get popped at your age, there is little to worry about in most places now.

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 19:46 | 6012802 Sorry_about_Dresden
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It might be another Manchurian candidate just like 2008???? Some nobody that is installed. The real power is, and has always been, in the Senate. If the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman refuses to put federal decriminalization on the agenda then NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

You can still get a life sentence for growing a plant in your back yard. Just ask a 3 time loser. There are people serving life sentences, right now, for growing rope.

Until we all realize this indisputable fact it is disingenuous to state that voting will change anything. They will just look the other way etc. Bullshit! If the man decides they want you in prison for smoking rope then that is what will happen. You trust those people, tyrants, to do the right thing??????

Your dreaming.Not me.

Until federal law is changed, which will only happen if the debate is put on the agenda of the Senate Judiciary Committee by the committee chairman, anyone in any state risks losing their freedom by smoking marijuana regardless of what the state law says. Federal law, always, supercedes state law.

Don't get me wrong. I really need marijuana because of PTSD but, I have to take pharmaceuticals and kiss the doctors ass to get what I need so I can sleep at night. I pay hundreds at the pharmacy when All I really need is a mother plant, some clones and some tlc and I could save a few thousand a year.

I will not risk my freedom on a politicians whim. The statute of limitations is seven years. You break the law today and they can change their mind 6-1/2 years from now and lock you up for life.

There is also the fact that any injury in the work place requires drug screening to be eligible for workers compensation. Another consideration one should be aware. THC is stored in your fat cells for up to 45 days. Another reason to beware.

 

 

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 15:54 | 6011881 ratpack1968
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Say, man, you got a joint?   It'd be a lot cooler if you did.

David Wooderson, 1976

Mon, 04/20/2015 - 19:44 | 6012793 VooDoo6Actual
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The US Government owns the MEDICAL Patent on WEED & Politicians & Banker criminals are looking seriously at Federal Level legalization after studying the Cartel's SOTB & SA. Monsanto wanting to sling GMO Weed for profit w/ the corrupt US politicians. Possibly drive out the private grower's or make them bedfellows for taxation & greed. Re-classify Weed for medicinal puposes for PTSD Vets et alia nstead of SSRI's etc. So effectively have a Stoned Nation populus all munchied out & happy w/ no drive.

Pass the Bong I need a RIP.

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