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11-Year-Old Boy Removed From Mother For Defending Her Need For Medicinal Cannabis

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Yesterday Shona Banda, the Kansas medical marijuana activist whose home was searched after her 11-year-old son challenged anti-pot propaganda at school, failed to regain custody of the boy, who is now under the control of Child Protective Services (CPS). “I am not giving up,” Banda said after yesterday’s family court hearing. “I will get him, and I am not going to stop until I do.”

 

– From the Reason article: Police Say Kidnapping Medical Marijuana Activist’s 11-Year-Old Son Is for ‘the Child’s Well-Being’

Taking a child away from its parents is one of the most serious and emotionally traumatizing things you can do. Anyone tasked with such extraordinary power should take the responsibility extremely seriously. Unfortunately, that’s not how Child Protective Services (CPS) in Kansas sees things.

This is the story of an 11-year-old boy who bravely defended his mom’s used of cannabis oil during a anti-drug program at his school. His mother suffers from Crohn’s disease and uses cannabis oil to treat her symptoms. If she lived here in Colorado, or any of the other 23 states enlightened enough to permit adults to use a plant for medical purposes, her son (who obviously loves his mom enough to defend her in class) would still be with her.

This is just the latest example of bureaucrats who think they know best doing untold damage for no good reason. They are the ones who should be charged with abuse and neglect. Absolutely horrifying. From Reason:

Yesterday Shona Banda, the Kansas medical marijuana activist whose home was searched after her 11-year-old son challenged anti-pot propaganda at school, failed to regain custody of the boy, who is now under the control of Child Protective Services (CPS). “I am not giving up,” Banda said after yesterday’s family court hearing. “I will get him, and I am not going to stop until I do.”

 

The Garden City Police Department, which conducted the search of Banda’s home, insists that the state-sanctioned kidnapping is in the boy’s best interest. “The most important thing here is the child’s well-being,” said Capt. Randy Ralston. “That is why it is a priority for us, just because of the danger to the child.” 

Yes, snatching away a young child from his mother because she uses a plant to treat a disease is clearly in the boy’s best interest. What a monumental moron this guy is.

Banda uses cannabis oil to treat the symptoms of Crohn’s disease, a fact that she openly discusses. But Kansas is not one of the 23 states that recognize marijuana as a medicine, so all use of cannabis is equally illegal there. Ralston emphasizes that “the items taken from the residence were within easy reach of the child,” although he cites no evidence that the boy was actually endangered by his mother’s medicine.

 

Banda has not been formally accused of any crimes yet. Ralston says the charges could include possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, misdemeanor or felony possession of drug paraphernalia, and child endangerment. Making cannabis oil also seems to qualify as manufacturinga controlled substance, a “drug severity level 1 felony” punishable by a prison sentence as long as 17 years.

The fact that it is even conceivable for her to be locked up for 17 years for this tells you all you need to know about American “justice,” but if you need more evidence:

American Justice – FBI Lab Overstated Forensic Hair Matches in 95% of Cases, Including 32 Death Sentences 

New Report – The United States’ Sharp Drop in Economic Freedom Since 2000 Driven by “Decline in Rule of Law”

Radley Balko over at the Washington Post also covered this despicable situation. Here’s an excerpt:

He also said the initial anti-drug program was put on entirely by the school — the police had no involvement. At that event Banda’s son apparently contradicted some of the claims made about marijuana. The school then contacted the child protection agency, which then contacted the police.

 

The absurdity here of course is that a woman could lose her custody of her child for therapeutically using a drug that’s legal for recreational use an hour to the west. It seems safe to say that the amount of the drug she had in her home was an amount consistent with personal use. (If she had been distributing, she’d almost certainly have been charged by now.)

Of course, this doesn’t stop the CPS for continuing to hold the child.

This boy was defending his mother’s use of a drug that helps her deal with an awful condition. Because he stuck up for his mother, the state arrested her and ripped him away from her. Even if he is eventually returned to his mother (as he ought to be), the school, the town, and the state of Kansas have already done a lot more damage to this kid than Banda’s use of pot to treat her Crohn’s disease ever could.

Exactly, and that’s the key point.

Banda’s supporters have now set up a legal defense fund page for her at Go Fund Me.

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For related articles, see:

The “Nanny States of America” – Mother Arrested for Allowing 7-Year-Old Son Walk to Park Alone

Maryland Parents Being Investigated for Neglect After Letting Their Kids Walk Home from Playground Alone

A Winter Wonderland of Fear – Cities Across the U.S. Move to Ban Unregulated Sledding

Meanwhile…

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

 

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Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:00 | 6027303 So Close
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Must socialize to protect entrenched interests.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:05 | 6027328 FlipFlop
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Sorry guys, that is nothing...

Finland has a world record of kids taken from parents for arbitrary reasons. Finland is your socialist experiment rivalring DDR. USA is still a bastion of liberty and has a reasonable court system.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:13 | 6027359 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"USA is still a bastion of liberty and has a reasonable court system."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:16 | 6027375 toys for tits
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In a rational world, I don't understand how lawmakers can be so focused on one drug to restrict doctors in their treatments of patients, especially when those doctors can prescribe much stronger medication such as opiates.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:22 | 6027404 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Money!  Big Pharma isn't in the cannabis business, and they can't patent it.  Big Alchohol and Big Pharma are the two biggest industries lobbying AGAINST marijuana.  It's not all about that bass, its all about the money.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:35 | 6027455 Pladizow
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Because the child has a ss# it is property of the state!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:38 | 6027465 AIIB
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Because the child has a @ss it is property of the state! - fixed it

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:03 | 6027589 0b1knob
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Teach your children well.

Teach them to keep their mouths shut.   Are there any drugs in you home?  Weapons?  Subversive putlications?  Gee teacher I don't know.  Me so STUPID.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:11 | 6027621 AIIB
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we'll learn ya!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:38 | 6027735 Stuck on Zero
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Marijuana is illegal and kills how many each year?

Alcohol is legal and kills tens of thousands every year.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:55 | 6027779 CH1
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Fucking

Kidnapping

Thugs

No shadow of excuse. Evil thugs with brass badges.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:01 | 6027796 Usurious
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talk about evil.............

 

''Rev. Billy Graham openly voiced a belief that Jews control the American media, calling it a "stranglehold" during a 1972 conversation with President Richard Nixon, according to a tape of the Oval Office meeting released Thursday by the National Archives.''

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:20 | 6027857 Usurious
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thanks for the link!!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:23 | 6027862 AIIB
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It appears that some ideas never perish. They must ALL be crazy!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:45 | 6028054 Sanity Bear
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No one expects the Cannabis Inquisition!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:06 | 6027807 Bunghole
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I grow and give more than half of my yield to my 60 year old brother with Crohn's.

He swears by the benefits of cannabis which prevents him from wasting away.  He's already down to 145 pounds.

He says chewing the stems is one of the best things for an upset stomach.

Cindy 99 and NYCD FTW.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:07 | 6027817 pods
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Ahhh, Cindy. I remember her from the Gypsy days, F2s from 2002.  

pods

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:11 | 6027833 Bunghole
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Gypsy Nirvana.  What a fool.

I hooked up with some of the folks over at House of Love seeds as a beta tester.

Great genetics.  The shit grows like a weed.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:00 | 6027950 tradingdaze
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I have Crohn's and was down to 129 lbs. Pot help with the weight a bit and really helped with really bad cramps.

I live in Canada and get it through a friend.

 

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:25 | 6028009 WillyGroper
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You folks w/Crohns, I know a 22 yr kid, after massive hospital bills finally got his colostomy bag. This could totally be avoided & I'd recommend you read this.

http://www.amazon.com/Jensens-Guide-Better-Bowel-Care/dp/0895295849/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429913644&sr=8-1&keywords=dr+jensens

You'll never look at the colonoscopy/colon cancer/IBS/Crohns/Colitis scam the same again.

This was common practice in the 40's & 50's. It's not easy, fun or cheap but if you want to escape the shakles of these shitty engineered medical conditions, you won't regret the difference it will make in your life & possibly completely rid you of this torment.

http://www.amazon.com/Sonnes-7-Day-Cleansing-Kit/dp/B000IRIFES/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1429914225&sr=8-10&keywords=sonnes

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:24 | 6027865 Condition 1SQ
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Let me help you with that first question.  It is physiologically impossible to die from marijuana consumption.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:01 | 6027795 Miffed Microbio...
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A few years ago.

Mom, my teacher said you must tell me to say no to drugs.

Ok, " say no to drugs"

Mom I think they meant you were to discuss it with me. Tell me how they will ruin my life. Stuff like that.

Crap, I knew I wouldn't escape that easily. Ok, here the scoop. Some people can use drugs recreationally. Get high on the weekends for fun and return easily to their lives. Others, after the first hit that high grabs their soul. Nothing in their life is better than what they have just experienced and they will sacrifice their family, kids and job to get it again and again. They could care less who it hurts or what it does to their body. The next fix is what they live for and the thought of it will be on their minds as they die. What will happen to you? I don't have a clue but these are just the facts and the choice is yours to make.

Mom, I can't tell my teacher you said that.

Ok, why don't you tell her I told you to just say no to drugs so not to freak her out unnecessarily but really I think that would be more fun.

She just rolls her eyes and walked away.

I'm not a great parent.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:15 | 6027839 AIIB
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Your daughter - appears to be very smart. Hopefully, someday she will become a good parent

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:22 | 6027858 Miffed Microbio...
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When I was in France a woman told me that American mothers tell their daughters to be nice. In France, mothers tell their daughters to be wise. I took that lesson to heart. Hopefully she will pass it on.

I decided to free range my kids finding too much structure stifles maturation and creativity. This seemed to be at odds with conventional thought but being a rebel at heart, I must admit I took a perverse joy in the confrontations.

Miffed

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:16 | 6027871 AIIB
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"I decided to free range my kids"

 

He doesn't always drink beer, but, his pinatas are free range

- THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD (besides your husband, of course)

http://cdn.pophangover.com/images/beer-meme-4.jpg

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:21 | 6028002 August
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Proof positive that the pun is the lowest form of humour.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:26 | 6028011 AIIB
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literally or figuratively?

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 21:00 | 6028354 ebear
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"I'm not a great parent."

Yeah, you are.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:07 | 6027819 Vullsain
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Never to early to teach your kids to have an honest distrust authority, no sarcasm intended. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:55 | 6027936 Ward cleaver
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Plad, the Stasi, er CPS will be closely monitoring any contributions to her defense and can expect a knock on the door for. Messing with their property.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:42 | 6027498 papa_lazarou
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Monsanto is moving to patent GMO marijuana in Uruguay. The liver-spotted hand of George Soros is all over this:

http://hemp.org/news/content/gmo-weed-connections-alleged-between-urugua...

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:09 | 6027825 Freddie
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Don't forget the tax revenues my friend.  Pharma, alcohol and cigs rake in huge tax revenues.  They are a golden goose for govt. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:56 | 6027938 JuliaS
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Weed is illegal for one reason only - unlike alcohol and tobacco, weed can be easily produced for personal consumption. A person hooked on weed is also unlikely to consume tobacco and alcohol, which undermines the 2 established government monopolies and a huge chunk of revenue. It eliminates the need for drug policing... and if we're to go 100 years back (to 1914) when cotton-growers lobbied against hemp textile production and made it illegal, we end up with a total of 4 monopolies threatened by marijuana legalization.

I've never taken drugs in my life yet I am 100% behind marijuana legalization, because I study history and know what the scam is all about.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:10 | 6027973 NuckingFuts
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Good post, except for the part about "hooked on weed". No one is hooked on it. They might smoke it everyday but are not physically addicted like heroin.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:13 | 6027979 JuliaS
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Figurative speech.

Sat, 04/25/2015 - 00:13 | 6028019 AIIB
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HEMP FOR VICTORY - ww2 ERA government film (US Dept of Agriculture)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1oFcgLfgV0

 

Concurrently, but really, after the war was over?

REEFER MADNESS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54xWo7ITFbg

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 19:42 | 6028186 Vullsain
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But Also Reefer Madness !!!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:09 | 6027970 WillyGroper
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MonSatan has patented just that...GM hooch.

Sat, 04/25/2015 - 01:54 | 6028781 trader1
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BigPharma is in cannabis.  

Do your DD.

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:26 | 6027416 froze25
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The state just created a warrior that will never stop fighting them.  To answer your question most lawmakers are mis-informed or in the pocket of the Pharma corps, I donated.  Pharma's biggest nightmare, people grow a plant that treats 90% of what they make a boat load of money off of.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:17 | 6027843 Agstacker
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All the alcohol companies don't want it legalized either, they hate competition.  Alcohol is far more damaging to society that weed is.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:27 | 6027869 Condition 1SQ
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Not only is alcohol more unhealthy, but marijuana consumption actually reduces alcohol consumption.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:02 | 6027953 Tek Kinkreet
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Top lobbyists against legalization are police unions, private prison corporations, alcohol and beer companies, pharmaceutical corporations, and prison guard unions. As always, follow the money.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:21 | 6027984 Atomizer
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RE: Condition 1SQ 

Tell us how marijuana is safer. Ask the parents of Dana Ireland who was traveling home on Christmas. Three males in a VW smoking pot hit her bike intentionally. They threw her into the car. One male sexually assaulted her and left her in the woods. Look up the story, Hilo Hawaii 

Your story about smoking pot has no merit. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:44 | 6028052 shovelhead
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The fact that those kids did something like that while smoking means that they were stone cold rapists and psychotics to begin with and would have done the same without smoking weed.

Weed tends to make normal people very calm and passive.

Your story about smoking pot has no merit.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:56 | 6028077 janus
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case closed!

i'll be damned if i've ever heard a more compelling case against that demon-weed.

atomizer, that was a rhetorical masterpiece!  never once did you attempt to skew the debate with evocations of emotive sophistry.  true, many simple-minded twits would try and sculpt a narrative dense with sappy imagery, such that the reader may confuse incidental details with cause and effect.  i'm just as fed up with it as you, atomizer...it happens every goddam time a dainty and defenseless lass is bringing a fresh batch of cookies home to treat santa after his slide down the hawiian chimney (in ritual acknowledgement of Christ's propitiation for mankind's sin, no less)......every fuckin time it's the same thing!  how many little-red-riding-hoods are we going to sacrifice each year to this big-bad-wolf of marijuana?    amorica, your little girls are in grave peril: vehicular homicide, kidnapping and -- of course -- gang-rape stalk their every step so long as weed is to be found in amorican homes.  

i can't say that i've ever taken a toke without experiencing the irresistible impulse to go and mow-down innocent girl-scouts in my choom-wagon.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMUxM4CAAFU

janus

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 21:34 | 6028402 Atomizer
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Thanks for the kind words. I tried it in my early twenties. Made me ill. I had no control over myself. Never got hooked in the experimental phase. Unlike Bill Clinton statement, i did inhale. 

Your sarcasm was duly noted. 

Sat, 04/25/2015 - 03:08 | 6028821 Tek Kinkreet
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Damn those VW's are always influencing people to rape bicyclists, they should be banned.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 19:56 | 6040835 Agstacker
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Thank God nobody ever did anything like that while drunk.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 19:46 | 6028197 Vullsain
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If you are chronic, you should probably imbibe in edibles instead of smoking to prevent lung damage

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:23 | 6028279 mc225
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indeed. people have quit booze by switching to weed. also, booze is the real, 'gateway drug'. there are a lot of weed users who never move on to anything else.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:40 | 6028043 WillyGroper
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Ever met an aggressive redneck pot head?

I haven't.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 19:09 | 6028103 janus
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Willy, my friend, i need to take you to a magical land called mississippi...it's chock-full-o aggressive pot-heads with necks so red they're purple.  i'm kin to many of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjaqrL7Kzj8

janus

Sat, 04/25/2015 - 04:48 | 6028791 animalogic
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Other than the need for some care with dosage quantities, HERION is lot better for you than alcohol and tobacco. Inevitably, this view will be neither welcomed nor accepted. 

And, incidentally, I've met my fair share of aggressive and violent pot-heads too. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:26 | 6027418 McMolotov
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In a rational world, lawmakers would recognize that the people who fought for the prohibition of alcohol had to go through the process of amending the Constitution in order for such a ban to be legal.

There simply is no similar Constitutional authority to support the drug war.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:28 | 6027422 froze25
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The emergency war powers act, when the nation went bankrupt is why there is no amendment now.  But were aren't supposed to talk about that.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:54 | 6027551 McMolotov
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I actually work with someone who has Crohn's, and it's a real bitch for him. And it's not like this lady is out to lunch thinking cannabis helps with it. From the National Institutes of Health:

Although the primary end point of the study (induction of remission) was not achieved, a short course (8 weeks) of THC-rich cannabis produced significant clinical, steroid-free benefits to 10 of 11 patients with active Crohn's disease, compared with placebo, without side effects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648372

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:08 | 6027608 Freedom In Your...
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so, getting high doesn't even need to be listed as a side effect, but marijuana is still illegal? Fucking lunacy.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:12 | 6027946 JuliaS
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The fact is that they could not ban a substance at all under constitution, so the loophole they used during the prohibition involved taxing substances at a rate of 100%+, making production financially non-viable. So they used unconstitutional taxation to enforce unconstitutional prohibition. Al Capone was not sued for sale of alcohol. No such legal provision even existed in the 20's. He was sued on the grounds of tax evasion, which is completely ludicrous.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:30 | 6027436 Freedom In Your...
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In a rational world, they couldn't and something like this would never happen. In the world we live in, where the severely mentally ill people have been taken charge of the country, it is hardly surprising something like this happens though.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:35 | 6028302 kchrisc
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"In a rational world, I don't understand how lawmakers can be so focused on one drug to restrict doctors in their treatments of patients, especially when those doctors can prescribe much stronger medication such as opiates."

When in doubt always remember that it is ALWAYS about money, power, and division. Always.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.

 

So my dad and I are talking the other night and he says asked if the removal of the hated red-light cameras, scameras, from various jurisdictions and states was an exception to the above rule. I.e. is it a genuine response to the general outcry against the scameras?

To which I replied no, as who is the biggest monied interest connected to auto transportation, traffic in particular? Insurance companies. The insurance companies were facing more claims and payouts from accidents at scamera intersections. Simultaneously, the insurance firms were not being cut in on extra premium loot or any of the lucre from the scameras. SO in response, the insurance industry out bid the scamera industry in the purchases of various "law makers," and began to have the scameras removed.

Of course, the pols and crats are dressing up the removal of the scameras as "listening to the people," while their pockets jingle full of both scamera and insurance loot.

Always about money, power, and division. Always.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:59 | 6028346 kchrisc
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This is the kind of thing that should remind thinking people of why tyranny desires to centralize guns.

"Tyranny takes with guns. Liberty defends with guns."

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.

 

This exemplifies what would happen if they ever took one of my kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kBKeCR4xiU
Aim small, hit big."

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:18 | 6027385 kliguy38
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heheheheheheh...........yeah we're FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:29 | 6027430 FlipFlop
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USA is free compared to Finalnd. Almost any country in the world is...

I do not intend to return threre ever, unless the socialist system is overruled.

So your down-voting is understandable but not justified by the facts

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:51 | 6027537 BlackChicken
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It's justified if that's what I think.

Did you forget we live in such a bastion of freedom (we use to)?

Sorry, don't mean to rip on you personally, but that comment you made above that got such negative replies is a template for propaganda if I've ever seen one. Don't tell people what to think; that's the job of a troll/whore/shill.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:14 | 6027638 random999
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the entire world is becoming rather un-free.

Name ONE country that is not rather utterly fucked up these days.. You complain about finland, take the boat over to sweden my friend! Go take a look.

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:48 | 6027761 spieslikeus
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Anguilla?

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:49 | 6027763 Fractal Parasite
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Nordic countries have been the successful development lab for the systemic destruction of the family. Now being rolled out to the rest of the world.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:24 | 6028281 gorillaonyourback
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Freedom is not just running from high taxes stupid. It was a way of life here, once upon a time.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:19 | 6027849 migra
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Name one country that has a better court system than the United States? NAME IT?????

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:45 | 6027905 Fukushima Fricassee
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The former United States GOT IT ???

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:05 | 6027961 Tek Kinkreet
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+3000

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:28 | 6028288 mc225
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there are people far down the socio-economic ladder, who are getting hammered with crippling $500 fines for things like shoplifting; the type of fine that a person with no money can often not recover from, particularly with their driver's license revoked as well, and whatnot.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:15 | 6027366 El Vaquero
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It only has a good court system if you can afford a good attorney or if you can navigate the court system yourself.  And that only holds true is some districts.  There are kangaroo courts here.  And good attorneys can be very pricey.  $250/hr is not "unreasonable."

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:17 | 6027376 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Thats cheap.  And you wonder why everything goes the speed of molasses in winter in the court system?  MONEY!!  Why work fast when you are making $100's of dollars per hour!!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:20 | 6027397 El Vaquero
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I'll defend myself if the need every arises.  I cannot afford a good attorney, and even if the public defender is a competent attorney, they are often so overloaded that they cannot provide you with an adequate defense.  But I know how the system works.  You always make sure you have your own exculpatory evidence.  Never let them be the sole arbitrators of the narrative. Maybe you'll get an honest DA, maybe not.  Don't chance it. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:34 | 6027445 SmackDaddy
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I dont think you understand how this scam works.  You better chip in your donation to the lawyers or prepare to get fucked...

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:38 | 6027470 El Vaquero
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Not in my district. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:53 | 6027549 Bill of Rights
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That will be the day I pay some asshole lawyer to lie for me, I can lie perfectly fine on my own thank you.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:25 | 6027684 Flagit
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Maybe you'll get an honest DA, maybe not.  Don't chance it. 

 

So my buddy just got pulled over in his podunk town of 200 for a burnt tail-light. The Chief was working that night and decided my friend had red, watery eyes and was in possession of cannabis. He was already home and in his own driveway and made to stand there and be searched, and then have his vehicle searched. Both searches produced nothing, so he started in with the threats to bring in the drug-dog again, which he had been threatening all along.

Sadly, the last threat was enough and my buddy relented, and produced a hitter-box that contained less than 2 grams that had been missed in the initial pat-down. From there, his own yard, he was taken to the County Jail some 20 miles away where he was allowed to bail himself out for $150.

He is a first time offender.....for pretty much anything. One speeding ticket in 25 years. Easily would have qualified for the first time offender supervision.

Yesterday he shows me a letter from the States Attorneys Office stating they have decided to NOT charge him and returned all of his bail. That is great news, but this is Illinois, where you should ALWAYS be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I find the whole ordeal perplexing and am struggling to understand their decision to not charge him. It seemed like easy money for the work involved.

Unless this article had something to do with it. This was probably on the desk of every States Attorney in the country for at least a few minutes.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the police may not prolong traffic stops to wait for drug-sniffing dogs to inspect vehicles.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:07 | 6027716 El Vaquero
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Either the DA decided that it was unwinnable or that it wasn't worth the effort is what it sounds like.  The DAs in my district are pretty crooked, and Albuquerque Police... well, enough said on that.  The county sheriffs office could be a lot worse.  They have a few real dicks, but for the most part, they seem to be very professional and/or disinterested when it comes to the average encounter.  They're probably dicks when they arrest somebody though.  They won't do a proper investigation a lot of the time though.  They'll take a witnesses statement, not look for any physical corroborating evidence, then arrest somebody, and the sad thing is, my "they could be a lot worse" still applies.  The DA here will overcharge the shit out of you if they don't have all of the evidence they need to convict you.  They'll hit you with 5 felonies and try to twist your arm into pleading guilty to the misdemeanor if the evidence is flimsy or non-existent.  This all happens outside of the court room.  Then, if you don't accept their plea deal, they'll whine about how unfair it is after threatening to put you in prison for 30 years.  Corrupt like fuck, they are.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 22:30 | 6028532 Flagit
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Ugh, I forgot the best part. The letter they sent him.....was dated 4/20.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:21 | 6027853 migra
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You will have a fool for a client. Better off getting the PD and help them help yourself. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:18 | 6027990 El Vaquero
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I've successfully defended myself in court before.  It's long past time that we start examining all of those sayings to see just how true they really are.  Are you better of with a public defender who has 20 other cases to deal with at the same time, and lacks the time to devote to your case?   Only if you can't learn the rules and follow them.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:34 | 6027446 Freddie
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Ever wonder why so many Nordics like Swedes are so attractive?   They practiced eugencis in the 1930s up to probably the 1970s.  Retards and even hyperactive kids and people were sterlized.

It sounds barbaric until you walk around a Wal Mart and McDonalds.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:46 | 6027515 Freedom In Your...
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America used eugenics in the early 20th century too, so I doubt that is the reason.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:48 | 6027522 SmackDaddy
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too bad your mom isnt from Sweden.  then we wouldnt have to listen to your bullshit lol....

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:44 | 6027511 Cynicles
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The US, where freedom from liberty still exists.

-Cynicles

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:52 | 6027541 Freedom In Your...
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http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/04/24/another-medical-kidnapping-at-boston...

Not saying Finland isn't fucked up too, but america is anything but the center of rational thought and reasonable decisions.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:04 | 6027593 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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"USA is still a bastion of liberty and has a reasonable court system."  Correct...that is why Corzine is in jail....oh wait.  At least they put Martha Stewart away given the insurmountable damage her actions inflicted on numerous victims.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:00 | 6027793 CH1
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Finland has a world record...

Then I feel sorry for the Finns, but it doesn't mitigate Washington's Evil.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:19 | 6027852 ejmoosa
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Finland is not my yardstick for how right or wromg I am being treated as an American.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:06 | 6027331 HelluvaEngineer
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Word is a lot of kids get raped and/or disappear in CPS custody.  Hope it doesn't happen to this kid.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:13 | 6027361 pods
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DSS is for the children.

Well, except for the few bad apples that chain a kid to a porch with a dead chicken around his neck.

http://myfox8.com/2015/03/31/union-county-woman-accused-of-chaining-boy-...

"Fuck anyone that wants to rule over you."

pods

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:21 | 6027396 813kml
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Now that's some serious tough love.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:01 | 6027797 CH1
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Fuck anyone that wants to rule over you.

+ 1000 pods!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:18 | 6027384 toys for tits
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Pot dealers don't usually get raped.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:20 | 6027655 JLee2027
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It's worth noting the Mother has not been charged with a crime.

Typical of the authorities of family court. They are tryants, care not of the children, only about control. Any excuse will do. The damage they do to children is usually 100 fold whatever minor thing the parent has done. 

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:20 | 6027850 kb0oxt
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As a former police officer, if we start down this road we will have to start taking kids from anyone who uses alcahol. when I was a cop I would way rather deal with someone on pot as a drunk.

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:47 | 6027918 Meat Hammer
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You shall not think for yourself, nor shall your offspring.  The State will tell you what you think and if you disagree, that's your business.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 20:51 | 6028335 mc225
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--The State will tell you what you think and if you disagree, that's your business.--

 

actually, that will become their (the state's) biz...

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:00 | 6027308 Freedom In Your...
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It takes a special level of psychopathy to think the state is doing the right thing here. Fuck the government and all of their crazy ass fascist goons.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:03 | 6027317 Freedom In Your...
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Possible solutions to prevent this kind of bullshit from happening in the future;

1 - Don't send your children to public school
2 - Don't register your children with any state agency
3 - Teach you children to never speak to any state / gov employee. Ever. For any reason.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:04 | 6027323 Honey Badger
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4 - If someone ever takes your kid, put a bullet in their fucking head.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:11 | 6027349 Freedom In Your...
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The fact that some many things like this happen where the parents are unwilling to defend their children or themselves from acts of aggression is disturbing too, yes. Brainwashing and social conditioning has happened on so many different levels, that's the really scary aspect of this country today.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:22 | 6027406 El Vaquero
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Shit like this tends to keep on happening until people start snapping.  The revolution happened after years and years of abuse.  People were probably wondering back then why nothing happened, then something happened. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:30 | 6027439 Dr. Richard Head
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Or, as in the case of Nazi Germany, the population of sheep that cheer on the slaughter in the name of nationalism, central planning, and a "authority knows best" attitude.  In a post 9/11 world of 'Merica, I fear nationalistic zombies are paving the way for travisty.  Just want the hoardes at the collesium games (NFL, NBA, PGA, MLB, etc) as they hold their heart dear with the playing of the National Socialist anthem. Makes me want to puke.  

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:37 | 6027462 Freedom In Your...
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national anthem and pledge of allegiance are two of my biggest pet peeves too. Fuck nationalism and hero / authority worship.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:42 | 6027492 El Vaquero
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The us has always been culturally diverse in a few key ways.  There is a portion of the population that won't buy into the respect authority because it is authroity mindset.  230 years ago, they were referred to as the patriots.  There was a portion that didn't give a shit, and the rest were the Tories/loyalists/etc...  We're not Germany. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:34 | 6027448 Freedom In Your...
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I tend to agree with that, it's hard to sit back and see things like this happen, but when I realize that 95% or so of the people in this country are willfully ignorant of situations like this it starts to make more sense. The more things like this happen, the more people have to start paying attention. Knowing all this doesn't make it any easier to watch though.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:48 | 6027526 Cynicles
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Concord & Lexington happened.

When England moved on the amrories The Revolution went live.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:47 | 6027519 TruthBeforeAll
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Here's an easier one. Don't expose your kids to every aspect of your medical, sexual, political, ect. life and expect them to understand the importance of not telling anybody. Teaching your kids to be leery of government is fine, but being that they are children, their desire to please may lead them to unintentionally expose things about their parents without realizing there are those who will use it against them.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:59 | 6027575 Freedom In Your...
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To an extent that's true, but at 11 years old a child can potentially understand and comprehend things like this. What to tell your child is a judgement call only the parents are capable of making.

http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/04/24/another-medical-kidnapping-at-boston...

This is another example of the state abducting a child from their caring and competent parents. I suppose they could have lied to the doctor and cps, but they didn't. When telling the truth gets your children abducted something is seriously wrong.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:05 | 6027329 McMolotov
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FUCK THE STATE.

And Cpt. Randy Ralston... To quote a smart lady, you suck nuts.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:09 | 6027346 Skateboarder
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They should just snatch the babies away from mothers at birth, as to provide a more humane experience compared to snatching a mother's child after a decade of rearing. Maybe people should just be locked up once they have a kid, because they will be irresponsible drug-using bastards, and the state can provide more love than a mother ever could. All such reasonable measures that oughta be written up in a bill and passed, so we can find out what's in the bill.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:18 | 6027388 Payne
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I will bet the woman can apply for and be approved for Foster Parent status and at the same time lose her child to CPS.

INSANITY ON STEROIDS.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:40 | 6027483 crisrose
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This is what happens when you abuse your children by enrolling them in a fascist government school.  

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:02 | 6027315 SilverMoneyBags
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This is fucking disgusting. Kansas is such a shit hole state.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:02 | 6027956 JuliaS
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Compared to which other state?

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:03 | 6027318 Honey Badger
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If there was ever a good reason to go postal, this would be it.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:04 | 6027322 agstacks
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"If only she would have taken the prescription offered for Oxycontin, none of this would have occured." -Goon

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:07 | 6027338 Stroke
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

canibis oil  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:15 | 6027372 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Its not like she was even smoking it.  Her kid wasn't even impacted by it.  Puff Puff Pass....

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:05 | 6027327 Westcoastliberal
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We have a paradigm shift underway in this country on the medical use of Cannabis, and Kansas (and other backwoods hickville's) seems to have been left behind.  Fuck these assholes and send this boy home!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:32 | 6027403 MsCreant
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Talk about a way to breed a home grown terrorist. Go ahead, take the kid from a mother he knows loves him, for a really stupid reason that cannot be justified. Then tell him what a great place America is, with all the freedom and shit, in his civics class at school. 

If that kid grows up to blow up a building I happen to be in, as my guts scatter, I hope I get in one more good belly laugh, and maybe my fingers will be in a thumbs up gesture, or perhaps both middle fingers extended, when they find my dead body parts laying around.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:06 | 6027814 CH1
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Talk about a way to breed a home grown terrorist.

I'll lay odds on the FBI recruiting him within eight years.

It's what the fucking monsters do.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 17:19 | 6027851 cigarEngineer
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We all know what happened. How can a 9-year-old "defend" an argument? All he probably said was that not all drugs are bad, and that some drug have possitive effects. There is no chance he said much more than that. Funny how big pharma drugs are deemed "good" with the stroke of a pen {bureaucratic legislation]. But we can't have 9-year-olds think critically for themselves when presented with an obvious contradiction in their indoctrination. Hopefully he learned his lesson that to survive in the land of the free, he must always nod and smile, no matter what people in authority say. /sarc

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:06 | 6027333 Mister Delicious
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funny, the LEft is always talking about how the Constitution created A RIGHT TO PRIVACY - 'discovered' in the mid 20th century, basically as a way to prevent states from making birth control illegal.

So how is it someone using effective medicine from a fucking plant in their own home is in the ambit of the state/government at all?

I blame, too, the bible thumping idiot denizens of the mid west, who think marijuana is a "drug" and eeee-vil - as they pop their taxpayer subsidized pharamceuticals that treat conditions that would be treated more cheaply and effectively by not smoking, not eating at mcdonalds every other day, and going for a fuckin' jog.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:18 | 6027386 Dr. Richard Head
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If nature is made illegal then there is no freedom - Banksy

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:46 | 6027755 samsara
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..... Only outlaws will have Nature....

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:07 | 6027601 MayIMommaDogFac...
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CPS is its own self-pepetuating statist nightmare.  

It does not require your narrow-headed notions about people in the mid-west and (what you suppose are) their attitudes about food and religion.

The monster of CPS behaves the same in most states including California.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:30 | 6027709 Balanced Integer
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This. As a proud Midwesterner, MisterDouchenozzle can fuck himself in the ass with his preconceptions of my fellow Midwestern folk.

Yeah, we tend to thump our Bibles a little loudly at times, but many of us also want to see the government get out of the marijuana enforcement racket. Also, one would be hard pressed to find a section of the country that has more anti-establishment, freedom loving, mind-your-own business attitude than this one.

Besides, when the shit hits the fan and you don't care to tuck tail and flee your country, where you gonna go, California or New York? LOL

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 18:39 | 6028041 steelhead23
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You might wish to look up the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854.  Stephen Douglas championed this act to recognize Kansas and Nebraska as territories of the United States and embued each with popular sovereignty - the right to decide for themselves, by popular vote, whether or not they wished to be free, or slave-holding.  A bit late perhaps, but it would appear the good folks of Kansas have adopted the latter.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:06 | 6027335 The Bell Rang
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The sooner back water policies and the morons that create and enforce them are gone, the better off we will be. Question is, what will it take ? Answer, most likely more time. So articles such as this one, need to be published in as many places as possible. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:09 | 6027344 pods
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This happens everywhere.  The only thing preventing this from boiling over is the safety valve media.

Look at any event that happens. Public opinion is shaped by the media. So the 5th branch of government (banking is the 4th) defends the rest of it.

God this country has gone down the shitter.  

pods

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:17 | 6027378 Skateboarder
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The problem isn't the information presented by media - it's the gub/corp granted authority of officialdom that validates man's acceptance and trust of the information presented, however immoral or false it may be. For example, a 'successful' person/product/business will say, "blah blah blah was featured on CNN, CNBC, FOX, <insert name>...", and it is a validation of success or importance, and it builds trust in the listener/viewer to take the person/product/business into serious consideration because it was granted approval from an official channel.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:36 | 6027459 pods
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Even still, the media will never ask any questions that are outside of the functioning paradigm. With DSS, there is never a question as to the legitamacy of the agency. Only highlighting the need for more money for oversight when something goes wrong, like a kid found tied to a porch with a dead chicken around his neck.  (see my other link, happened in my state)

Never is there an expose that actually asks the questions of "who owns your kids" or "is it moral for the state to seize your kids" or even WHERE that authority comes from if they have it (a 14th amendment expose would be nice). They always stay within the functioning paradigm, and for that, they are mere gatekeepers or a safety valve.  The media will minimize the abuse by their system and maximize the coverage of asshole parents.

The appeal to authority is certainly used in advertising and governing, and has been for 75 years (since Bernays) "More doctors choose" etc.  Most blindly follow authority as well.

But the media used to actually have reporters, and they did ask questions, or do research. Now you only see it on the web, which is never mentioned by the legacy media.

I'm sure that it is being influenced like society as a whole with the Ow My Balls culture, but still.

I think I am more angry that it seems that only us malcontents on ZH are the ones who see a problem with the State declaring ownership of OUR children.

pods

 

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 16:10 | 6027619 Equality 7-25-1
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The media will elect Bebe's next designated bitch.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:11 | 6027348 Weaponized Innocense
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Yea but so many gov run foster homes need children to abuse, neglect, molest and reject as we know how much the government really gives a shit about being more than politically motivated empty handed schemes as philosophy for the rightless.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:12 | 6027356 johanngalt
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A f-ing travesty, but Kansas business. What is legal an hour away means jack shit.  What does mikey want- a f-ing FEDERAL answer?  some liberty blitz . . .

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:16 | 6027363 agstacks
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Can't wait to get home and vape some Kush.  Chris Duane on "The truth on why cannabis is illegal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuGvnEJoY4
Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:16 | 6027367 MsCreant
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This ain't exactly helping her Crohn's disease.

I think weed is great and would smoke it if it was legal. Also I did not want to put my kid in the situation of seeing me smoke and be told it was wrong at school. I stopped several months before I got pregnant, to clean my system up. 

This is not what the majority want (for that matter, government does not belong in my body). The law needs to change, we can't afford what the "war on drugs" is costing us. This cost is too high. 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:20 | 6027395 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"(for that matter, government does not belong in my body)"

How many women are rabid abortion supporters based on the "its my body" idea, yet want to tell you what to do with your body in every other instance?  Just like all the hippies from the 60's who were all anti-war anti-establishment, and now they are all the biggest government possible supporters.  Hypocrits all!!

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:29 | 6027425 813kml
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How do you know that it's not helping her Crohn's disease?

Also, cannabis oil is usually ingested orally rather than smoked.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:30 | 6027435 MsCreant
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TAKING HER KID IS NOT HELPING HER DISEASE! IT IS MADE WORSE BY STRESS.

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:37 | 6027466 813kml
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Ah, the wording made it look like you were talking about cannabis oil.

But how do you know that taking her kid isn't helping her Crohn's?

j/k

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:43 | 6027502 MsCreant
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I am a mom, I hear that! Kids are big stress. 

Having all this happen because of her choice of treatment has got to be a real head fuck to go through. She is fine to do what she is doing, but not knowing if he is okay or not is awful. Plus I might decide I should have followed the law, even though I disagreed with it, for the sake on NOT losing my kid. Hard choices. If the oil works, she should not have to be in this fix.

 

Fri, 04/24/2015 - 15:45 | 6027514 The Joker
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So the law needs to change based on what the majority want? 

 

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