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Electric Car Sales Plunge To 4 Year Lows
But low oil prices are supposed to be unequivocally good? On the day when Ford lays off 700 Michigan plant workers in small cars and hybrids manufacturing, The Detroit News reports that, according to Edmunds.com, sales of electric cars and hybrids are at the lowest level since 2011. What is even more worrisome, motorists who leased those first-generation cars, and have decided not to buy them, are turning them in, leaving dealer lots full of low mileage cars at huge discounts to new ones. As Edmunds concludes, while "the government's going to keep pushing it, there is time to pause right now."
Low oil prices have not been unequivocally good for these workers... (as Detroit Free Press reports)
Ford said today that it is planning to cut a shift at its Michigan Assembly Plant where it makes the Ford Focus compact car and C-Max crossover because of declining sales of small cars, hybrids and electric vehicles.
The automaker told workers and notified the state of Michigan that it will lay off 700 workers, starting June 22. The decision affects 675 hourly workers and 25 salaried employees who make the Focus, Focus ST, Focus Electric, C-Max hybrid and C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid at the Wayne plant.
The first 200 workers will be laid off in June, another 200 at the end of July and the remainder at the end of September.
But it is the burgeoning electric car market that is seeing desparate times (as The Detroit news reports)...
Sales of new electric cars and hybrids, according to automotive research and shopping site Edmunds.com, are at their lowest level since 2011 — the first full year of sales for the groundbreaking Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid and Nissan's all-electric Leaf. So carmakers are paring prices in an effort to get them moving.
Furthermore, motorists who leased those first-generation cars, and have decided not to buy them, are turning them in. They're on dealer lots with still relatively low mileage, and at prices considerably cheaper than the new ones.
Even with $7,500 federal tax credits and other incentives, automakers such as General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Nissan have dropped prices in an attempt to move their new hybrids and electrics. Cadillac became the most recent to reduce the sticker on an electric car, when it whacked $9,000 off its ELR plug-in hybrid last week.
"EVs are just not selling; even hybrids and plug-ins are slow," said Caldwell. "There's some concern."
"That's the reality of the situation," said Jessica Caldwell, senior analyst for Edmunds.com. "They have to push them out at those levels for people to be interested. It really seems like the cachet of EVs and hybrids has faded away."
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New mainstream plug-in hybrid electrics can sell for more than $30,000 with up to $7,500 in federal tax credits. But used models are selling for less than half of their original amount.
Used plug-in car values have been lower than comparable vehicles with traditional combustion engines since launching, due to the heavy federal tax credit and inflated pricing, according to Kelley Blue Book director of residual value consulting Eric Ibara.
"All along, we had a very strong suspicion that they wouldn't hold the same (residual value) percentage with traditional vehicles," he said.
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It appears we are going to need more government "incentives"...
We levae it to Ford UAW President Jimmy Settles (ironic name?) to summarize:
"We are reminded from time to time that our industry is cyclical and volatile to market conditions."
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BULLISH
First!!!
Diesel biatches
My made in Tenn. diesel Passat gets 30city 60hwy mpg, cost less than a hybrid with a longer service life.
All good 'Muricans know that diesel is dirty. Plus you have to add strange and expensive blue liquids to diesel otherwise it won't combust. Don't you watch TEEVEE???
My New Electric car is a real piece of shit. It won't run on high test.
Can we force Al Gore to live in one of these damned things?
Still waiting for that small block diesel truck.
Or bringing the Hilux back.
You can literally 'grow' your own Biodiesel, the way they do it in Europe, by getting it from Canola/Rapeseed1 Oil. Some of the oil you can use in the kitchen (cooking, salads), and most of it for Biodiesel2.
Byproducts are also of great interest to Preppers, but DYOR (do your own research).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
Well, you see nobody has any money to buy these expensive electric cars so they could save money on the gas they can't afford anyway. Or something like that.
They are great for people who drive a few miles to the store and can live under the delusion that it its better to get power from oil burned to make electricity instead of oil burned in their car. For the rest of us they are just an asshole mobile.
I can see hybrid pickups and SUVs as GM has made but not when they cost stupid big money.
Diesel is great but still too few stations selling it and for way too much money cause not enough vehicles use it.
Europe on the other hand, has embraced diesel.
I guess the US also doesn't know about compressed natural gas as car fuel...
That would imply they were less efficient (energy lost producing electricity from oil, then more lost on the efficiency of the electric engine)
Their efficiency comes from (primarily) regenerative breaking. Instead of just turning all that energy you need to bleed off to stop into heat, it recovers some to use on the electric motor.
Must be the weather.
And I know just how to celebrate....
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-s-goes-drifting-in-japan-d...
Q: Are e-cars even sold in Michigan? I'm pretty sure they won't let Tesla sell theirs in MI. In which case Detroit is speaking with forked tongue. Again.
But I'll tell you what... I'd buy an e-car, IF I could plug it into my Solar Panel charger. It'd be great for Commuting and around town. And a Biodiesel VW or MB would be great for long trips. That would be one way to say Fuck You to the Saudis and Big Oil that supports Big MIC, which supports TPTF/TBTJ (DC+NY).
Moral: Once again... "How you see the 'Problem', is the problem. Opportunities and Solutions are where you see them and make them".
I have several friends here in Europe that have whole house solar and also charge their EV's off of it.
I freelance over th? internet and earn about 80-85$ an hour. I was without a job for 7 months but last month my paycheck with big fat bonus was $15000 just working on my computer from my home for 5-6 hours. Here's what i have been doing... www.globe-report.com
Where's my goddamned flying car?
And my jet-pack!
The flying car must fold up into a suitcase and be light enough to carry around.
They need to go back to the lunar rover during the Apollo missions for that level of tech. Apparently, those geniuses at NASA figured out a way to pack the equivalent of a dune buggy into two carry-on sized suitcases. Sadly, those Tardis-like secrets have been lost in the intervening years...
They're getting there. Saw they are going to start production of a civilian tilt-rotor soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pt0Uzn5RFc
Way back when some dude in Texas was selling hydrogen-peroxide powered back pack helicopters.
It used almost 100% H2O2 pumped through catalytic tip jets on the rotor so no counter torque
But pure H2O2 is nasty shit to handle. Oh well..
What's the difference between this and an Osprey?
The BA609 is nothing new.
It's had a hard time getting an airworthiness cert. from the FAA. The Europeans approved it though.
When I worked at Bell (2008-2012), we weren't making very many parts for that program.
Hit some road debris in a Tesla and you've got yourself a flying car.
Flying or frying?
Who needs an electric car when the world is awash in oil?
Electric cars are the iWatch of the automotive sector, shiny toys that show how cool you are. Even with Govt. subsidies they are four wheeled turds. You can get a better vehicle cheaper if you don't mind using that evil petroleum.....
that will be good for TSLA...
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Looking forward to some price reductions on electric bikes. A nice 60v 500W bike can hit 30mph easy, even loaded down. No insurance, no BS.
Yeah - I love sitting on an exposed piece of metal with 60 V and 500 watts and 200 amps running through it.
So, steer clear of puddles?
its not 200 amps. There is a breaker on most bikes that kicks off around 10 amps. Usually, there isn't sufficient voltage to overcome skin resistance. I have never heard of anyone ever getting electrocuted by an electric bike. I have heard of gas tanks in cars exploding though.
P=V*I
500 watts = 60 volts * I (amps)
I=P/V=500/60= 8.3 amps
"No insurance, no BS"
How did they miss yet another spendy requirement like insuring an electric bike?
I'm sure they'll get to that shortly. Enjoy it while it lasts. Today is as good as it gets.
Another day ruined with another piece of truth, breaking the bubble of denial's serenity in which I had been coddling myself in since my bowl of fresh picked strawberries.
OK, now I can respond to this Progressive guy who sent me a NYT article meaning to enlighten me.
I am now fully capable of letting him know in no uncertain terms that God sent me here to straighten this shit out.
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why wouldn't people want a car that can only go 100 miles per day?
Oh I know..... because they only need to drive 99?
It's 100 miles per day ONLY if the trip starts and ends at your garage. You can only go 50 miles away from your charger. Yeah... really blows.
But on the other hand, it's stupid expensive too.
but that's when it's new, the distance (power and acceleration) diminished every year (by 5%?) until you need to spend another $10,000 on a new battery (before 8 years pass, leaving you with 66% new capacity?)
...until you need to spend another $10,000 on a new battery...
BULLISH! This is what a Krugman wet dream looks like.
Even high end Tesla's that claim to have 200-300 mile range are actually 100-150 mile cars, since half the trip will be spent driving back to the charger.
Sell these cars at reasonable prices and they will move off the lot.
Monkeys!
Nah, just brand them as apple products and you can jack up the price 300%. iIdiots will form a line to bankrupt themselves.
Damn low oil prices are going to be the death of America.
Tip: Read that with Homer Simpson's grumbling voice in your head.
Thats the plan Doc.
They must've run out of extension cords?
Can I start parking at the recharge stations at public places now, especially since I've never seen one used?
I parked my Jag in one the other day. Hah ha ha ha haha ha ha ha......
New highs coming for TSLA then.
The solution is clear: Uncle G.™ must mandate the destruction of all vehicles with internal combustion engines...for our own protection. Crush 'em all, every last one of them, and then give out rebates...in US Dollars. Those goyim cattle will have no choice but to buy electric cars. BULLISH!
There is a limited group of electric car fans, like Apple's, who chase every new gadget on the market.
Yesterday, Tesla and Volt were cool.
Today, I see a lot of electric BMWs parked around. They seem to be the coolest gadget now.
Speaking of the Tesla, Elon Musk is one of those rare, truly impressive billionaires. Not some schmuck pushing silly gadgets or websites. However, I think he made a critical mistake in pursuing electric vehicles. Energy storage technology simply isn't mature enough. He would have been much better off putting those resources into energy storage R&D. In one fell swoop, he (in theory) could have made wind, solar, etc. actually viable whilst providing portable devices with enough energy density to perform massive amounts of work. If you bump battery density up a couple of orders of magnitude, there would be little need for small gas/diesel engines. This would concentrate the bulk of pollution at the power plants, which is a much more straightforward problem to solve. It would change the world for the better, if done right. I can't for the life of me figure out why he put the cart before the horse.
The BMW i8 is pretty cool. I had one drive down my old street a few months ago.The skinny tires sort of sucked.
The 3 cyclinder turbo gas engine in the i8 is really interesting. It is a turbocharged 1.5-liter three-cylinder engine using BMW's valve timing and throttle control technologies to produce 228 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque.
It gets 28 mpg on the gas engine. I would love to see BMW come out with a smaller gasoline version of the i8 with a mid engine small turbo like this. Maybe a 4 cyclinder turbo putting out 450 bhp with a lightweight body. The i8 really needs a gas version because the body is very cool.
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No one has invested the 300 mile per gallon engine yet?
I wonder why?
It's been invented, but you'll never see it.
They have. It's called a bicycle.
What's wrong with the existing 280mpg hybrid internal combustion engine cars?
Would that extra 20mpg really be the driving factor in your decision?
http://webspecial.volkswagen.de/innovative-technologies/com/en/mainpage....
Seriously - The Germans via either VW or BMW can pull it off with diesel or diesel hybrid technology.
Now if the Germans could just figure out how to get Mr. Stanos and the Greeks to pay up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvl9N9GdraQ
1:53 "..never trust a Greek who is broke...he has money hidden in the mattresses..."
Bitchez - trade in for a trip to Mars on crack with Musk
I see great opportunity in companies that can retro fit gas motors into these electric shit boxes.....
Damm straight!
Some dude is gonna stuff a Vette LT-1 into a Volt.
Combine that with a Skyline R33 Atessa AWD driveline and he'll have himself the bitchinist sleeper on the planet.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a3760/destino-bob-lutz-corvett...
Bob Lutz and Elon Musk interview with Charlie Rose - snipet on AGW 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0DRa5gLoI
Maybe the shitheads who are prone to buying them now realize they only work when you plug them into wood burning, coal burning, and nuclear power plants.
So I guess a the solar powered 747 is out of the question?
Until I can get a DeLorean that can produce 1.21 gigawatts I don't want anything they are making.
Perhaps people want more thant 150 hp, 4 cyl compact cars. Bring out some 6 cylinder regular sized car and trucks, and then the mpg might be an attractive selling point.
Car industry is stale right now. All models among the different brands look alike. Too many weak castratti cars out there.
All I want is a small pick up truck for my business. Now they only sell midsize trucks that are the size of the large trucks last decade.
Car industry would be served well by MORE competition and less government standards.
Im partial to the older ford rangers and chevy S-10's. Fuck new cars.
Look on the bright side; you'll never get car-jacked if you drive one of those P.O.S.
How about a new Chevy suburban fully loaded for 70k? Fuck it, I'll do my part.
Only 70k to have 'OnStar' imbedded and have NSA track me wherever I go? Where do I sign up to take on that debt carrot?
Hybrids
Solar power
Wind power
Fracking
Affordable Health Care
Quantitative Easing
Facebook
driverless car
Drones
carless drivers
If you found out the gas car you were about to buy will require a gas tank replacement for $5K a year after the warranty expires, you'd probably be rethinking that purchase as well.
Hey Bozo, add up all the oil changes, muffler replacement and mandatroy dealer servicing (if you want warranty to be valid) Let me know what you come up with,.
Open source would end the days of the multi nationals. A car that you could actually own including every last line of code.
these cars would fail regardless of oil prices. they were a bomb when oil prices were high. so, it's a false correlation.
Again.
Sell them all to amusement parks, they can replace their little go-carts with these.
American manufacturers are just too stupid to build an affordable, fuel efficient car.
Or they are smart to make you think they are stupid.
Americans are plain stupid. read the comments here from people who don't have a fucking clue about EV;s
We were driving VW turbo diesels here 20 years ago. I had an Audi TDI that got 40 mpg cruising in 6th gear at 100mph (legal here). and they are quiet.
Seems like TDI's never were popular in USA, Diesel here is also cheaper than gas.
What was wrong with the dutch windmill-powered unicycle?
In America, they market new things to the upper class.
I understand they want a ROI.
But they keep squeezing the tit until it fails.
Then they blame everyone for the failure.
Is it done differently in your country?
Yes it is, because our middle class is much better off than yours.
Think implants!
I have 3 electric scooters I bought dirt cheap on Dutch Ebay (rich people here just sell crap when they are sick of it, barely used). I paid 250 euros for all 3 , they retail for 1300 euros each.
It costs me about 20 eurocents to charge and I have tested it with 4 -30 KG bags of quickcement on the back plus my 200lbs and they pull away no problem. I go all over town and park right at storefronts so no parking fees.
I get about 600 mpg equivalent.
I know a few friends who have their whole home on solar, and it costs them next to nothing to charge their EV's.
And just think about how all the hot chicks you'll be able to pick up on your ride too now!
ONly a shit for brains Americunt fucktard like you would make such a comment. The hot chicks here are on scooter also.
You need to get out of your trailer and do some international travel you goddam MORON.
Yeah ... but those r Muslim chicks!
You truly are a fucking idiot. Tell me this asswipe. Why do all the Penthouse and Playboy scouts peruse our villages for models? There are tons of very hot women here.\
Unlike the FAT waddling tubs of lard Americunt pig women.
Grow a brain, dipshit.
The dude is an idiot. Most Ducth chicks are really hot and many are tall. I remember year ago there was one who worked at a place by my work. She was about 6 feet tall, amazing body and face.
Europe has a lot of very pretty women and quite a few are in Holland.
Of all the places I went to - Sweden was still probably #1. czech women are also gorgeous.
Yeah but those r the transgendered ones!
you know what , fucktard? I was at the pool today and didn't see any Muslims. Just lots of blond haired blue eyed kids having fun. Then I went to the mall,. still no Muslims.
I did some some FAT Americunt asswipes like you waddling around. They are very loud also. PIGS.
You should keep your pedo stawking tendancies to yourself!
GFY, faggot Americunt wanker.
Stop trying to warm up to me! I'm spoken for!
Hey fucktard!!!!!!!!!! Here is a quote for an American reporter in 2011 ''Coming from Northern Europe back to the USA is like leaving the Jetsons and returning to the Flintstones'' .. LOL
You are just another ignorant shithead.
Yeah but that was Brian Williams!
Fat cunt, get shot of some weight before your fat big mouthed heart fucks off on you.
Toss pot Dutch cunt.
;-)
And you will bend the right fuck owt of the light aluminium frame and overload the batteries you fat cunt.
Big fucking thumbs up Dutch cunt.
:-)
Discouraging ... but I'm gonna stick to developing a 'hamster-wheel' powered 500 GW generating station! Anybuddy know where I can find 200m hamsters?
Look in your ass, dipshit.
Hey Americunt imbecile. your faggot boyfriends said he put a few up your rectum
Home wrecker! Stop talking to my BF's too!
brought up on here and also my auto mechanic, who wants to drive a fire hazard?
What's an auto mechanic. You will save thousands with Electric. no mufflers no tuneups , no oil changes.
Americans don't get it and never will. Enjoy going backwards in life
Sorry but I can buy a fucking toyota corolla with 150,000 miles that is only half way dead. This car will cost me around 2500-3500 dollars and provide me with years of use with little to no maintenance. THere's no fucking way I could save thousands with an "electric" car. Dumb.
Dutch math?
Those Teslas are goddamned fun to drive. Feels a hell of a lot like my Audi. I'd roll in one of those before any other car coming out Detroit.
Even so, I'll likely have to replace my car in a few months (it's at nearly 200K), and I'll likely go back to Audi. They're great machines. The TDI does sound interesting, not sure if it is available in the A6/7 here.
I had A6 TDI when I lived in Germany in 1998. 6 speed fully loaded, leather ,heated seats , Bose system., LOVED that car, Had over 300k km on it when I sold it.
Averaged 40 mpg even cruising at 100mph , on the autobahn.
_Silencer,
Have you thought about lumping your next Audi Purchase with a Vacation? I think I did see some models (including the TDIs) being offered at 5% off their MSRPs.
Buy an USA-Spec'd Model, drive it around (up to 3 Months), drop it off at a shipping point, and then pick it up Stateside. If I weren't hell bent to work/live abroad, I'd seriously consider these programs. They're an improvement of buying/converting/shipping Euro-Spec Models 3rd Parties used to do in the 80s.
http://www.audiusa.com/inventory/european-delivery#tiles/tiles-container...
The issue is electric wont scale up enough. So while E bikes do work. E cars wont.
They won't work in the USA where people need to drive 200 miles a day to get to work. They are highly popular here.
and growing.
Plus the awesum wooden shoe breaking system!
Popular has nothing to do with it. Thats a result of msm blowing smoke.
NO it has to do with average American having IQ of about 60., and know nothing about tech,.
Thats all ya got? A bunch of insults.
I insult because 80 percent of you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about and like most Americans they never ask questions on how rich successful countries do things. Americans ALWAYS think they know better when it is proven over and over that they do NOT.
Tell me again, what is the GDP of your country?
Where does your country rank here? What does GDP have to do with it? Are you including alll your crappy fast good joints?
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/21...
Another fucktard idiot who knows nothing. GDP has nothing to do with it, Bozo. All your crappy fast food joints employers millions of fucktard like you,. Eating GMO crap so you can become OBESE and STuPID.
He's made a lot of good points. I'm an american, and all I see around me is lard asses with ugly tatoos, and an IQ of around 70. At least there are some good looking women in his country, so overall it sounds A LOT better.
LOL
Stick your finger in a dyke.
even hybrids and plug-ins are slow
I coulda had a V8
Latest Tesla does 0-100mph in 8 seconds.
They had a drag race with it and a Lambo and it beat the Lambo.
I don't have an extension cord that long!
You weak attempt at humour is WEAK
Electric has FAR MORE TORQUE than average V-8.
Plus you can BBQ your lunch at the same time!
In America, they market new things to the upper class.
I understand they want a ROI.
But they keep squeezing the tit until it fails.
Then they blame everyone for the failure.
Is it done differently in your country???
Think implants!
Sorry your stupid electric car sucks and I'm sick of the goddamn misallocation of resources caused by government fucking subsidies. They should be producing 10,000 dollar 50+mpg cars with 150hp but instead they're wasting untold amounts of time and money producing pieces of shit like this that only 2% of the country can actually afford.
Meanwhile, we're running out of oil right? There's freighters parked around the block waiting to offload this shit because we have so much...
VW Rabbit diesel got 60 mpg back in 1975,
And 0-60 in five minutes.
Wrong. it took only 2 minutes. but then again when you cruise at measly 70 mph on your crappy interstates what does it mattter?
Two minutes. Outstanding.
What are you talking about?
How much profit do you want?
Yea well just because Michael Moore and his fascist crony friends think they can mandate one of many of my inventions into the marketplace as any fascist would by destroying the evil consumer and mandating crap the gov has to invent while trying to rip off my ideas which they can't get in my head to do so all these years ... Still doesn't mean it will be a success whatever they come up with as to why they bailed out the auto industry in the first place.... Nanananananana all these decades and tptb still can't read my mind!!!!!
I can't even read your post!
Whatcha drinkin?
Water ..... Mmm mmm mm blood of the earth !
I'm figuring u mean besides the Koolaid of the bullshit masters.....
Good point! (.)(.)