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Legalizing Marijuana & The Increasing Pace Of Social Change In America

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This is how fast America changes its mind...

Eleven years after Massachusetts became the first state to allow same-sex couples to marry, the Supreme Court on April 28 will hear arguments about whether to extend that right nationwide. The case comes amid a wave of gay marriage legalization: 28 states since 2013, and 36 overall.

But, as Bloomberg explains, such widespread acceptance in a short amount of time isn't a phenomenon unique to gay marriage. Social change in the U.S. appears to follow a pattern: A few pioneer states get out front before the others, and then a key event—often a court decision or a grassroots campaign reaching maturity—triggers a rush of state activity that ultimately leads to a change in federal law.

Bloomberg looked at six big issues - interracial marriage, prohibition, women’s suffrage, abortion, same-sex marriage, and recreational marijuana - to show how this has happened in the past, and may again in the very near future.

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So with that in mind, how long until Recreational Marijuana is adopted nationwide...

 

If the pattern holds, the marijuana legalization movement may take far less time than other issues to gain widespread acceptance.

 

Though the pattern of social change may have remained largely the same over the years, change is happening faster now.

Source: Bloomberg

 

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Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:56 | 6035610 PRO.223
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Sad, but when you've got "my view has evolved" polititions, it happens even faster, as well as bought and paid for main stream news.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:25 | 6035715 Karl-Hungus
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Maybe we will get lucky and the same thing will happen distrust in government and people will finally realize it doesn't make since to let fedzilla lord over all of us with its bullshit rules. Until that changes, all this marijuana legalization is pointless. While it would deprive them of an excuse to abuse people and throw them in cages, it could also be a plus. It could help keep more people nice and passive, oblivious to everything else being done to them, cuz 'fuck it, we can get high now'

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:36 | 6035764 AIIB
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When Hillary gets elected it'll only be illegal to 'inhale'

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:48 | 6035806 NidStyles
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Any perceived trust in the government, is just that "perceived". No one trusts anyone else, because if they did, they wouldn't try to take advantage of each other.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:24 | 6035948 Anusocracy
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Same result as with that other belief system: religion.

Incorporate what the believers believe or lose their support.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:19 | 6036332 weburke
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if the -red- cardinal of new york had said ---NO-- to same sex marriage, it would NOT have made it out of committee. Same in boston. Figure that into your analysis. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 22:09 | 6036484 MalteseFalcon
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The timeline of events is wrong.  Here is the correct one:

1.  A think tank proposes a policy to increase the favorability rating of the empire to the outside world or to suppress the populace inside the empire.

2.  The owners of the empire approve the policy.

3.  The owners of the empire get their employees: media, legislators and judges to rubber stamp it.

4.  Done.

The wishes of the people do not enter the process anywhere.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 00:54 | 6036845 Oh regional Indian
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Puff Puff Peace!

But that is not how it works.

They are legalizing it after the business interests have it AND the marijuana is all GMO and totally 'over-sticky", more like LSD than pot.

Sad. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7QkQ4pZEa8

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:22 | 6037003 jeff montanye
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"more like lsd than pot" overstates your case.  hashish possibly.  lsd?  no.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:32 | 6037007 Lore
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They aren't called Culture Creators for nothing. Choreography becomes more apparent when you travel and visit different jurisdictions and discover exactly the same issues being rolled out in popular culture at exactly the same time.  Agenda 21 is one of the most obvious, far-reaching, and paradigmatic examples of modern mass manipulation and behavior modification, and we are uniquely positioned to watch it unfold and to help unsuspecting people gain perspective as it fails.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:12 | 6037908 MalteseFalcon
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Culture creation or social engineering has been a fact of American life for over a century.  Most are totally ignorant of the manipulation.  They cannot comprehend it.

There is no democracy, because you are told what to think and how to act, and you do as you are told.

50% of America has an IQ below 100.  They cannot function in a democratic society or a modern one.

Ask your neighbors this question:  2+2=?  Count the blank stares.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:26 | 6038016 Boxed Merlot
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The timeline of events...

 

So where does Soros fit in?  It's his money that supports the think tank, so I guess that would make him god?

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:30 | 6038045 MalteseFalcon
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Relative to nearly 7 billion humans?  Yes.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:06 | 6036293 MonetaryApostate
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<~~ Will they be too high to care anymore (All the more oblivious to reality)??  or...

<~~ Will they rebound out of the poverty induced drug addiction with a vengance to kill anyone in reach?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:28 | 6036165 Living The Dream
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Truth be told, one emits C02 when exhaling, which will likely become illegal as well.

Need to save the environment!

/s

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 13:59 | 6039190 geologyguy
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Considering the whole 50 Shades of Gray phenemonon, I am looking foward to the moment that abduction & torture of strangers is legalized (if done for kinky purposes with no permanent markings of course)

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:59 | 6035613 Latina Lover
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Marijuana should have never  been illegal in the first instance.  Hemp was banned because Dupont lobbied to remove a competitor to Nylon. Same as it ever was.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:02 | 6035641 Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't forget that William Randolph Hearst owned millions of acres of timberland that would have been rendered worthless if hemp was cultivated. He was a big player behind "reefer madness" and got hemp outlawed through the backdoor of marijuana criminalization.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:05 | 6035653 spoonful
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So what has changed?  Now the Koch Bros. own millions of acres of timberland.  

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:08 | 6035666 waterwitch
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Koch Brothers: Libertarians for MJ!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:18 | 6035693 americanreality
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It's pronounced COCK.  

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:49 | 6035816 NidStyles
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Cock, and about as "libertarian" as Stalin...

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:07 | 6036298 MonetaryApostate
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Senator owns Kush Inc.  (All you need to know right there...)

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:08 | 6035664 agent default
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Exactly.  Banning it gave it a special aura of attraction, because "stick it to the man".  Also a very convenient excuse for interfering with your life at any level.  Ban cash not because we want to charge negative interest rates and expropriate you completely, but because WAR ON DRUGS. Only a user with serious brain damage would fall for this.  Then again the US is probaly the only non Islamic country to ban alcohol.  Go figure.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:40 | 6035784 McMolotov
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Yes, it is the mark of a statist to believe in the ridiculous notion that government has any right to limit what you choose to put in your own body. And it is naive to think the statist will stop meddling in your life at that level, because no matter how much he dresses up his reasoning as being "for the common good," the statist will always believe he knows better than you how to live your own life.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:55 | 6037041 Refuse-Resist
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And he will have no moral issue with having a blue hero stick a gun in  your face to force compliance either. After all, it's for your own good. Both parties are packed with them... the lunch box checkers and the piss testers.

 

Fuck em all.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:15 | 6035681 Condition 1SQ
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You'll find that the vast majority of laws enacted at any level of government are there to protect some monied interest.  I say all laws should eclipse after 5 years or so.  The good ones will stick around.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:26 | 6037006 jeff montanye
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i notice the patriot act needs reauthorization annually and seems to receive it, often with additional "improvements".

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:23 | 6035706 romberry
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You start your history too late. It was the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act of 1937, passed in response to both "Reefer Madness" and the wood pulp and cotton lobbies (amongst other things) that made cannabis illegal at the federal level. (It became illegal because the tax stamp was required and the government would not sell the stamp to anyone. Stories from the time recount farmers growing hemp running out and shouting "You're ripping next year's clothes out of the ground!" as tax agents razed their crops.) 

Nylon wasn't even invented until 1935 and wasn't widely available in commerical quantities until some years later. Regardless, I agree that cannabis/hemp should never have been made illegal. It's both a very useful plant for fiber and a source of perhaps the most innocuous recreational drug of all time.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:35 | 6037015 jeff montanye
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that was the final nail in the coffin but it is useful to review the history of drug prohibition earlier than 1937.  much of the impetus came earlier with the harrison narcotics act of 1914 and the prohibition of alchohol in 1920. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 06:38 | 6037156 Nage42
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One of the best sources of plant-based protein on the planet.

The best plant-based oils on the planet for Omega-3

The other canabanoids will be shown to be the best cancer fighting agents out there after big pharma can get it's hooks in.

 

The recreational part is just gravy, nutritionally hemp is a true simbiote with humanity, and it's not a surprise that our health started to fall off the rails when we turned our back on it.  When we ripped up the hemp plantations and grew sugar cane... ya... reap what you sow indeed...  modernity... yeah~!   not...

 

Nage42

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:28 | 6035731 ronron
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cotton

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:38 | 6035769 CH1
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Cotton!!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:49 | 6035812 ronron
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cotton

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:58 | 6035840 Pool Shark
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Cotton!!!

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:00 | 6035855 ronron
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cotton

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:21 | 6035933 Pool Shark
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Cotten!!!

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:48 | 6036035 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Qottin, diversify bitches.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:22 | 6036152 ronron
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nylon

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:26 | 6038003 detached.amusement
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It should never have been illegal because the Federal Gov has NO AUTHORITY BY WHICH TO DECLARE IT SO

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:57 | 6035617 cpnscarlet
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Social Change? Social Decay.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:21 | 6035700 americanreality
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Don't let fear cause you to make stupid comments.  

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:01 | 6035862 cpnscarlet
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I could stand a world with legal pot, but "Gay Marriage" is the biggest oxymoron ever devised by a human mind.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:31 | 6035975 ronron
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me either. can you say cotton? not my turn.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:41 | 6037020 jeff montanye
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gay marriage is not a logical contradiction.  lovers can join into an exclusive unit and, with adoption or artificial insemination (lesbians), have children.  

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:56 | 6037044 Refuse-Resist
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the ABA and divorce attorneys in general think it's the best thing since pockets on a shirt.

 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:57 | 6035619 T-NUTZ
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pass that bong bro!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:22 | 6035705 AGuy
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"pass that bong bro!"

 

Gotta Keep Americans dope up as the gov't takes away everythig else. Its like throwig an old bone, while big brother eats steak. No jobs, No liberty, No freedom, How about some dope instead. It won't help any of their problems, but the dope will help them not care any more.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:26 | 6035719 swmnguy
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Very few people are going to smoke dope now that it's legal that wouldn't have smoked it if it remained illegal.  It never has been very illegal.  My high-school aged kids know where to get weed; they could probably have some in less than an hour.  They aren't smoking it though, or if they are they're incredibly good at hiding the signs and I would notice, for reasons I'd prefer not to explain.  I'm far more concerned about people drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes than I am about weed.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:10 | 6035889 Oldwood
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I'm more concerned about Americans rallying about the freedom to get stoned at just about the same time as we are finally completing our tight circling of the drain.

As we find our delusions wearing thin, a good buzz may be all that is needed to maintain our "consumer confidence".

Heard today that heroin use is at an all time high, so evidently legal status is not having a really big restraint on consumption. Evidently the calculation has determined that drug excise taxes will produce more GDP than the legal/prison industry contributes.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:27 | 6038017 detached.amusement
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all time high thanks to the c!@ freeing afghanistan....for opium  cultivation

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:12 | 6035897 AGuy
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FWIW: I am for defunding enforcement, but not legalizing it. because  ust makes more people dumb down. I can't see how entire country high on dope is going to help. I am resonably certain that the number of youth pot-heads will increase, as it normalized and combined with soaring youth unemployment. Employers will be very reluctant to hire even less young people has they prejudge them.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 02:57 | 6036956 Bioscale
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Care to explain how hemp makes people dumb? It is non-toxic, an overdose can't occur compared to alcohol as an example. Actually, it contains stuff you already have in your brain and that's the reason why it's psychoactive.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:49 | 6037034 jeff montanye
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i think it makes you both smarter and dumber: more insightful and more forgetful.  clearly less harmful than alcohol and, with legalization, one fewer way for the national security state to fuck with you.

p.s. you can overdose to serious nausea but you can't kill yourself or do permanent harm (probably) as a result of the one incident.  wouldn't be surprised if smoking hurt the lungs and i think thc lowers the immune system and reduces eye hand coordination.

Wed, 04/29/2015 - 02:06 | 6041662 Fedaykinx
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as someone else mentioned, there seems to be some sort of prophylactic effect that certain cannabinoids have against the development of cancer, and the only study that claims pot lowers immune system function cannot be replicated by researchers using similar methods.  in fact there are several very large field studies that confirmed no difference in users vs non users in disease transmission susceptibility.  as far as the hand eye coordination thing, obviously in large doses that can be adversely affected, but with moderate use suffice to say we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 04:59 | 6037051 Refuse-Resist
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The whole country high on dope? Strawman much?

Is it better to have the whole country on anti-depressants, Oxycontin, booze, TV and facebook? Because when I look around me, that's where we are right now.  But if I choose to grow a certain plant, aka Murderjuana, I can be charged with felony crime (and the weight of the dirt and the container will be included in my charges as 'finished product) and my life will be ruined). Who can't say FUCK YEAH to that?

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:28 | 6038029 detached.amusement
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I agree about "legalizing" because out of the mouth of a politician, that merely means "now bring on the taxes"

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:58 | 6035620 Id fight Gandhi
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Give them an inch and they take a mile. Cesspool of a country full of vice and misery.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:59 | 6035628 kaiserhoff
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Comparing apples to watermelons.

All change is not in a commie, urban, crazy direction.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:59 | 6035631 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Nice, but I want to see a category like, "America decides that Neocons are dangerous, pathological vermin."

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:13 | 6035900 Oldwood
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A real positive change would be to see people making decisions that actually benefit their interests beyond the next thirty minutes. But then what would we need government for?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:02 | 6035643 Tinky
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The obvious catalyst for this particular rapid about-face is the rapidly increasing desparation for additional state revenues. Good result, but for the wrong reason. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:48 | 6035808 Bay of Pigs
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"And therein lies the rub".

Bill Shakespeare

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:51 | 6035828 Budnacho
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I am inclined to believe your assessment, but theres just that little conspiratorial part of me that thinks this is getting railroaded through because the govt would love if everyone was just wrecked. And of course, by "everyone" I mean those "uppity" types....not your typical dads-a-lawyer kids in college....

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 07:39 | 6037225 plane jain
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Not saying it is THE cause and I am pro legalization.

But it is very convenient that the group most known to overindulge (high school and college age kids) are also the group that has been screwed over with the worst job prospects and is historically the group most likely to take to the streets because they are least likely to be encumbered by family responsibilities.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:04 | 6035649 Lurk Skywatcher
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So by extrapolation, we will wake up one day and hunting banker/ogliarch big game will be legal? Sounds about right.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:05 | 6035652 czarangelus
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Man, that interracial marriage one just shows what a rotten-to-the-core country this has always been. What could possibly be objectionable about interracial marriage? Everyone is a goddamn mutt since time immemorial.

But I'm sure jackass Christians had a verse for that, just like they have a verse to justify them controlling everything else about others' lives.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:31 | 6035742 czarangelus
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Really 6 upvotes, 7 downvotes? 7 people (and counting) had too much fluoride pumped into them in their youth.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:21 | 6035929 Consuelo
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Allow me to explain (and btw, I didn't downvote you): Bashing 'Christians' is all good and fair in pot & war, but there's a slight difference between Christians wanting to control, and actual control - as in, codified law.   And there we find, at least as it pertains to issues of Liberties, that the Control Freaks implementing codified law to 'control' you, generally are anything But 'Christians'...

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:16 | 6036137 TheFutureReset
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Lol

Modern day Christianity has its roots in monarchs and empire. It has always been used to justify governance by the elite from the first. While statists aren't exactly Christians they are religious (statism), and backed by Christians that believe in submitting to a God ordained ruler on earth, and holy wars.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:36 | 6036203 Seek_Truth
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What is thought of as "christianity" has its roots in monarchs and empire- Constantine, to be precise.

Fixed it for you.

What is actually Christianity has its roots in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whole lot of difference between those two.

 

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 05:02 | 6037045 jeff montanye
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this is a useful distinction and a usage is taking shape. one "using christianity as a pretext or excuse to do evil" is a 
"christianist".  the follower of jesus remains a "christian".   for the belief system/organization of the former?  "christianism".  of the latter, "christianity".

 

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 10:30 | 6038044 detached.amusement
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sorry dude, the entire root is rotten, keep going back in time.  the root, and all its branches, are based on lies.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 22:23 | 6036537 Oldwood
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Every living thing seeks to dominate its environment. As humans we have sought, in varying degrees, to soften this tendency to the point that we do not deliberately harm others in this pursuit. even the most enlightened, especially teh most enlightened, think that they have the answer for our problems and will seek to impose those solutions upon us, for our own good of course.

I support knowledge, illumination, transparency and freedom of choice. As a society, if we want to give our humanity its best chance, we should promote this, but not impose it, or deliberately manipulate it. No one has that right or responsibility.

Everybody should have the right to get stoned and I should have the right to tell them they are wrong to do so. But never prohibit their freedoms OR mine. Today we find that those who most loudly demand freedom of expression and action are the first to prohibit it. Speak out against the progressive agenda and find out.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:21 | 6035930 Oldwood
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As a person who grew up with all that and largely rejected racial discrimination, I also saw the weight of such choices that society imposed. Change is a difficult thing and typically moves slowly for good reason. Those who rally about change for the sake of change are often mistaken, with sometimes tragic consequences, Obama as case in point.

Freedom however, is seldom a wrong choice, even when it does create bad consequences.

But....I do not trust this government in anything it does, even when I agree with it, as with any "free offer" I generally find its cost quiet high.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:42 | 6036006 Niall Of The Ni...
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Every piece of ghetto trash rioting in Baltimore right now is the product of interracial "marriage." That's why.

Neuter and spay your niggers. Because there aren't enough good jails for all of them.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 03:04 | 6036958 Boxed Merlot
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But I'm sure jackass Christians had a verse for that, just like they have a verse to justify...

 

Far be it for me to defend jackass Christians, but Historic Christianity can rightly claim direct responsibility for virtually every advance in merciful, beneficial and loving care, nurturing and education found on the globe.  It has proven most effective when individuals apply the tenets to themselves never expecting anything in return.  Unfortunately, their good has a way of making others feel guilty as their own actions become evidently evil in comparison.  Hypocrisy is the tribute evil pays to virtue.

As for a verse to justify, how about this one?  "Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand."... Romans 14:4

I have to agree with you on the mutt thing though.  Even the beloved title of "Jew" is a choice.  There is no Jew, Israelite, Israeli, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic or any other physical DNA traceable lineage any human can claim ascendency to or from.  We're all on our own and we use faith to decide who and what we want of our collective past to contribute to our present.

 

jmo.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:11 | 6035672 Bay of Pigs
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War on Drugs, War on Terror, War on Poverty, etc...

It's all gov't inspired bullshit that should have never started in the first place.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:39 | 6035778 kaiserhoff
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At least the war on cancer is going swimmingly;)

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:35 | 6035978 Jorgen
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"At least the war on cancer is going swimmingly;)"

Since it is more profitable to treat rather than to cure, with FDA, BigPharma and AMA triopoly on what is good for you and what is not, and what is approved and what is not, it will continue going on for quite a while.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:04 | 6036090 TwelveOhOne
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Read "Dr. Mary's Monkey" for the history of our recent soft-tissue cancer epidemic.

Spoiler alert: the SV40 monkey virus was weaponized by the US government in the 60s in order to kill Fidel Castro; but instead it made its way into the polio vaccine supply (sugar cubes), and was distributed to 200 million Americans.

I wish I was joking.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:16 | 6035685 Freddie
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Good luck to working people in colorado who cannot find affordable housing due to legalization of pot.  Every retard and their brother is trying to rent any big house, warehouse and apt to grow pot.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:24 | 6035710 americanreality
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Why do you hate capitalism?   Its just business, buddy.  Get over it.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:24 | 6035712 romberry
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Nope. Not even.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:48 | 6035803 prodigious_idea
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Houses are a terrible place to grow.  Wrong power, no fire suppression, inadequate air-handling systems, inadequate cooling, wrong substrate, poor security, blah blah blah.

But what you're expressing is a concern that will last a year or less, if it ever happens.  The cannabis industry is constrained by a geographic monopoly within the state boundary(s) since nobody can import/export production.  The supply/demand equation sorts itself very quickly.  The immediate effect of legalization is over-supply, followed by price drops, followed by reduced supply.  Washington state is going thru this equilibrium process and it's about to get more accute as Oregon comes online (customers won't travel across the state line from Oregon unless prices are lower).

You have more to fear from Blackstone than the cannabis industry when it comes to rental SFRs.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 05:05 | 6037056 Refuse-Resist
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How much are you trying to grow man?  I imagine I could take care of my personal needs quite easily in a closet. And that would take cash out of the black market (anywhere from $110 to $480 per oz hereabouts)

But in this state it's far worse to to have a goddamn plant in a closet that than it is to fund the black market pieces of shit who sell the stuff.

Now why the fuck is that?  (rhetorical question)

At least some non Baptist controlled states have reasonable laws. When my kids are grown I'm moving away from the 'moral majority' and their need to control everyone and everything 'for safety' and of course' for the children'.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:18 | 6035689 trader1
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plant hemp to extend human life on the planet.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:55 | 6036037 Jorgen
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"plant hemp to extend human life on the planet"

Organic hemp that is. Here is an interesting article about Colorado legal hemp:

Andy LaFrate, a Ph.D. chemist and the founder of Colorado testing firm Charas Scientific, tested 600 samples of the drug and found that not only was the average marijuana two to three times stronger than it was in the 1980’s, the very compound within the drug that is used for medicinal purposes may have far lower levels than are needed to help patients who are suffering. In addition, LaFrate found that much of the marijuana he studied was laced with heavy metals, pesticides, fungus, and bacteria.

Also this about the recent pesticide scandal in Colorado hemp industry.

Imho, people should be allowed to grow their own (hopefully organic) hemp for their personal use.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:08 | 6036105 TwelveOhOne
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"two to three times stronger than it was in the 1980’s"

"Stronger" in what sense?  That it can break through an aluminium can?  Or, when used as wrist-cuffs?

Seriously, they need to state in which dimension it's stronger in order to have any validity.  But I doubt that's what they're going for.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:18 | 6036138 Seek_Truth
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It's time for ZH Remedial Reading Comprehension Class:

"two to three times stronger than it was in the 1980’s, the very compound within the drug that is used for medicinal purpose"

That next sentence answered your question.

THC- Tetra-Hydro-Cannibinol- that is what makes folks high when they smoke weed.

And it is many, many, times stronger than it was in the 70s and 80s, indeed.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:36 | 6036204 Oldwood
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People who want to get high celebrate such advancements.

While I support freedom, are we going to be told that those who have the NEED to get high are entitled to government assistance programs to compensate them for any potential consequences? How much of our SSI budget serves drug addicts?

Just for the record, I really don't give a fuck what anyone does as long as I am not forced to pay for their consequences. Light up!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:41 | 6036221 Seek_Truth
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Exactly, Oldwood.

I'm a proponent of getting the Gubmint out of the drug enforcement business entirely.

Instead, it should be up to employers to decide, and to test for, drug use/abuse.

And let people be responsible for the road they choose.

Can't hold a job because your brain is drug-addled? No job, no safety net- you brought it on yourself.

One can dream.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:03 | 6036278 PoliticalRefuge...
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Everclear is 190 proof which is much stronger than whisky, does anyone polish off a bottle of clear at one setting?

One straw dog following the last..

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:26 | 6035721 FMOTL
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Seeing as Radical Marijuana has,nt shown up yet let me just remind anyone here who does,nt already know the obvious, that only a society as insane and ass backwards as ours would criminalise a plant that is probably the single most useful, beneficial and harmless plant on the planet. Let me count the ways, food, fuel(hemp oil), fun,cloth(tougher more durable than cotton),paper(better quality longer lasting than wood pulp p.s there will be no antiquarian books from the modern era), medicine (cancer cure? I urge people to quit donating to "cancer research" as long as long as they ignore reports of high strength cannabis oil cures), can be grown on marginal land with little inputs of fertilizer and pesticide , it is called weed for a reason. De prohibitioning this plant could transform the economy overnight

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:40 | 6035775 Seek_Truth
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"Radical Marijuana has,nt shown up yet"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You said much more, way more succinctly than RM could in 12 pages.

AND you did it without mentioning "Death Controls", "Money Controls", etc.

Bravo!

<Golf clap>

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:07 | 6036299 PoliticalRefuge...
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RM has stated he no longer uses cannabis for reasons he has stated, I guess it all boils down to if one really believes in libertarianism or not if they want to continue prohibition.

It's really quite simple, either you are a prohibitionist or you are not a prohibitionist..

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:39 | 6035780 CH1
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But it was The Law!!

/s

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:39 | 6035996 Temporalist
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Henry Ford's Hemp Pastic Car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryO2JLzFPTY

 

Hemp Plastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0V5RfynsI

 

TED Talk Hemp Trillion Dollar Crop Gregg Moseley-Clarke at TEDxBridgetown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSV1pVDJOM

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:55 | 6036061 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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did you say Cotton? +

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:34 | 6035756 ronron
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wonder if reggie got an iwat

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:42 | 6035789 Seasmoke
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It's 420 somewhere. Smoke it if you got it. Grow it if you don't. Fuck the hypocrites !!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 18:49 | 6035797 Chuck Knoblauch
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Unrefined pot is still illegal.

Watered down garbage.

$7k to buy 2 ounces of 98% proof hemp oil is outrageous!!!!

Good thing there are substitutes for what ailes you.

Turmeric, Cayenne, Garlic, and Oregano are still legal.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:29 | 6035968 Oldwood
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Smoked plenty of pot in my ute, but this stuff today, what they are selling in Colorado apothecaries, is down right brain numbing. Its no fucking beer or even shot or two of whiskey. One drag and I wasn't right for a couple of hours. Call me what you will but this shit is NOT what many of us think of as pot. Its a hard ass drug.

Make it legal if you will, but don't act like its going to revolutionize the rope industry.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 05:38 | 6037089 gswifty
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Uped you on this comment, but I wonder if that's true. I'd like to know what radical marijuana has to say on this.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 07:19 | 6037200 ozzzzo
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Yup this here new-fangled marijuana is stronger than the old stuff, and I'm too stupid to smoke less, so now I'm skurred hiding in the basement. Daddy government please come and save me from the scary plant!

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 07:47 | 6037239 plane jain
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Don't know about the rope industry per se, but hemp is a great crop. Actually improves the soil, unlike cotton which strips it. Or so said my college horticulture prof.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:30 | 6035973 Peak Finance
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This here:

$7k to buy 2 ounces of 98% proof hemp oil is outrageous!!!!

Is ending VERY quickly. Even down here in FL where pot is illegal, you can go into the good headshops and buy the professional devices that make hemp oil for like 150 USD, then use your own sources to get the feedstock for the oil. 

I would say at this point there is no closing the door to widespread availability of cannibis oil for treatment and other health purposes. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:25 | 6035955 Niall Of The Ni...
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So it's gotten easier and quicker for our masters to convince the gullible that what all previous civilized societies regarded as lunacy---prohibition of alcohol (or tobacco or guns or anything grown men happen to enjoy), letting low-info women voters stuff ballot boxes in favour of socialists and busybodies, tolerating miscegenation, faggotry and infanticide (if the baby is white and male)---is simple common sense and that those with the sense to know better are racists, sexists, fascists, or all three. More to the point, the Supremes have gotten quick at acquiescing to the elite's mad schemes.

On what planet would this be good news?

On this planet, the US Constitution insists that states accept only gold and silver coin, as opposed to bank-confetti, in payment of debts. Give me a call when the Supremes start holding people to that one.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:28 | 6035964 Temporalist
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Same sex marriage is legal?  I can finally have sex with myself!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 19:34 | 6035985 Oldwood
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Its kind of funny to think that government will allow us to freely drug ourselves while they are simultaneoulsy trying to outlaw sugary drinks.

Am I the only one wondering WHY? Do they really love us?

Or are we so desperate to have a sense of freedom that we will fight for the right to purchase the rope for our own hanging?

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 05:09 | 6037059 Refuse-Resist
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Sugar is a drug and its effects are obvious.  Been to a Walmart or fast food place or maybe even a high school lately? See all those fat fucks?

You can thank sugar and its carbohydrate cousin for the epidemic of lard assery.

But but but the children! Don't worry if they get type II diabetus or fatty liver disease by the time they're 20. Just put em on some ritalin (boys) or Prozac (girls), feed em some sugar, and protect them from murderjuana.

That's the narrative I see and hear.

 

I didn't downvote  you because I like your comments generally. And no, they don't love us beyond what they can take from us.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:08 | 6036110 schooltruth
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Those other issues didn't have the corporate prison system lobbying against them, fwiw.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:10 | 6036116 dsty
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uh, dude, there is nothing wrong with smoking dope

uh, dude, there is nothing wrong with smoking dope

uh, dude, I forgot what I was gonna say

what were we talking about dude?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:28 | 6036169 Oldwood
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A stoned society is a content society....that and some Doritos.

The key to happiness is lowering your expectations.

I knew plenty of stoners when I was young that were perfectly content with a semi-dry trailer house, a cold beer and a bag of weed. Ambitions were severely limited.

The sad thing is that a lot of them were really smart but they needed to numb it out. Sometimes intelligence is painful. Like many here, we know too much, and given the solutions appear impossible, just fading it out seems like the better choice.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:38 | 6036208 besnook
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the inter racial issue is obviouslly penis envy on the part of the small dick euros. prohibition is the main reason why giving women the vote was a mistake.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:13 | 6036317 PoliticalRefuge...
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Well I will sure agree that most women shouldn't be allowed out of the kitchen, but what does this have to do with prohibition and the disaster they always create?

If it weren't for the WOD we wouldn't have a militarized police state, we wouldn't have prisons full to the brim, we wouldn't have idiotic "just say no" campaigns to pay for.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 22:09 | 6036487 Oldwood
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If our government invested half as much indoctrinating us towards actions that would actually promote our self reliance rather than those that would decrease it, it would be a great boon to and bargain for society.

Dependency IS our government's prime methodology. Of course drugs would have NOTHING to do with that.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:21 | 6036337 Kreditanstalt
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Why should any marriage, between anyone, have to be "legal" anyway???

If they'd get governments entirely OUT of the business of licensing, approving, sanctioning or "recognizing" marriages of any kind, then we'd really be making PROGRESS.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 22:40 | 6036599 Anusocracy
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Separate government from existence.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 06:50 | 6037173 hendrik1730
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Yes, just imagine paying alimony for your natural children only would be compulsary and capped to a realistic amount, now THAT would be an improvement. 90% of all lawyers out of business and millions ( of men ) back to a sustainable life.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 23:37 | 6036717 Equalizer
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Being Australian I have always found it strange how America operates, clearly its all about money and vested interests and nothing more, 20 years ago people in America were being jailed for 20 years or more for smoking a joint, now its almost legal as its a big money spinner for bankrupt states and governments, gun culture which is clearly ridiculous is tolerated due to it being a big money spinner and some BS about the constitution, meanwhile its illegal to play online poker because that Jewish cunt Sheldon Anderson has the casino industry in a cartel against it.

Now America is turning on its own people, over minor infractions you will be shot several times by a Police force that is basically militarised.

 

You people are so fucked up and most dont even know it!

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 01:28 | 6036875 cheech_wizard
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>You people are so fucked up and most dont even know it!

The influence of media (i.e. propaganda) on the weak willed and weak minded is rather astonishing, isn't it.

 

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 08:55 | 6037420 BeaverCream
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Gun culture?  Not even sure what that means.

You mean like the gun culture where my dad showed me how a gun worked, how to shoot it, then showed me how to clean it?  Then told me it was for protection, food if necessary, and of course fun at the range?  Yeah, how absolutely ridiculous.

What's more ridiculous is a parent that tells their child that guns are bad, and do evil things.   That we have a government that protects us from bad people with guns by using guns themselves and that all we need to do if we're in danger is call the good guys with the good guns.  Talk about messing up a kids head.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 08:50 | 6037404 Brazen Heist
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The ones clamoring to keep Marijuana illegal are the ones in most need of it.

Wed, 04/29/2015 - 02:46 | 6041687 Radical Marijuana
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http://www.cannabislink.ca/papers/howlong.htm


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