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Officials Warn Senkakus Fall Under US Protection; Japan To Take "More Assertive" Military Role

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Following meetings with Sec. of State John Kerry, Defense Sec. Ashton Carter, Japanese officials, it appears, have been shown the endgame now that the Keynesian farce is over... As AFP reports, Japan’s military to take on more assertive role, according to Japanese officials as Japan and US bolster their alliance for the first time in 18 years. Noting the alliance "serves as the cornerstone of peace in AsiaPac," and that the Senkakus will fall under protection of this new treaty, we suspect the Chinese will have more than a few things to say about this.

As AP reports,

The United States and Japan are boosting their defence relationship to allow a greater Japanese role in global military operations with an eye on potential threats from China and North Korea.

 

Before Japan's prime minister visits Washington this week, the two countries' foreign and defence ministers on Monday signed off on revisions to the U.S.-Japan defence guidelines. They are the first changes to the treaty allies' joint strategy in 18 years. Any changes are subject to security legislation pending in Japan's parliament.

 

The revisions boost Japan's role in missile defence, mine sweeping and ship inspections amid growing Chinese assertiveness. The new arrangements also allow Japan to dispatch its armed forces beyond the region for logistical backup of U.S. military's global operations, in distant areas including the Middle East.

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Bloomberg adds

  • *U.S., JAPAN GUIDELINES ALLOW GREATER CONTRIBUTIONS TO SECURITY
  • *JAPAN, U.S. BOLSTER ALLIANCE FOR FIRST TIME IN 18 YEARS
  • *U.S., JAPAN AGREE TO GIVE JAPAN'S SELF DEFENSE FORCE MORE AMBITIOUS GLOBAL ROLE

 

U.S., Japan announce new alliance guidelines after mtg of U.S. Sec. of State John Kerry, Defense Sec. Ashton Carter and Japanese counterparts Fumio Kishida and Gen Nakatani.

 

Guidelines for U.S.-Japan Defense Cooperation revised for first time since 1997: joint U.S.-Japan statement

 

Guidelines enable greater alliance contributions to intl security initiatives including peacekeeping operations, maritime security, logistical support

 

U.S.-Japan to set up standing alliance coordination mechanism

 

U.S.-Japan alliance cooperation to be expanded to cover space and cyberspace

 

Guidelines outline ways to improve alliance response to disaster in Japan or elsewhere

 

Guidelines describe cooperation on defense equipment and technology, intelligence and information security

 

U.S.-Japan alliance serves as cornerstone of peace and security in Asia-Pacific

 

Ministers reaffirm that Senkaku Islands are under Japanese administration and therefore fall under U.S.-Japan Security Treaty

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It appears clear this is an indirect jab at China which will likely see a response soon enough.

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We leave it to Peter Van Buren (via today's Reuters Op-Ed) to ask- and answer - how far is Japan willing to go to back the United States?

Japan is weighing whether it needs to be a major military power in the Pacific again, 70 years after World War Two.

Since the end the war, Japan has interacted with its neighbors through the lens of a bilateral relationship with the United States. Japanese domestic politics either benefited from the arrangement (through a lucrative domestic arms industry that caters to the U.S. military) or were subservient to it (by providing military bases). However, a multi-polar East Asia and new homeland pressures are challenging how Prime Minister Shinzo Abe views his loyalty to the United States.

Behind the scenes of the April 28 Obama-Abe White House summit — which will include a state dinner and a congressional address by Abe — the leaders will wrestle with changes in what has been the strongest bilateral relationship in Asia.

Security issues loom over the U.S.-Japan relationship, particularly each country’s stance toward North Korea. The Japanese public believe that Japanese Cold War-era hostages are still alive in North Korea; returning them home is an emotional issue (think American POWs “left-behind” in Vietnam) and has always moderated the country’s stance toward Pyongyang.

Negotiations with North Korea on the issue have been troublesome for Abe, and he has already been pressed to loosen sanctions. The North Koreans are demanding that ferry service between the two nations resume, after Tokyo shut it down in 2006, in part under U.S. pressure. Abe is faced with American desire for harsher rhetoric against Pyongyang, but fearful of jeopardizing progress on the hostage issue.

The implicit understanding of the broader U.S.-Japan security relationship has been that Japan’s “contribution” would be almost completely financial; Japan pays out billions of dollars to support, operate and maintain the American military bases on its own territory, in addition to land grants and sweetheart leases for military bases. In this context, Abe and his predecessors have for years managed domestic friction, particularly on Okinawa, over the expansion of U.S. bases, and that is not expected to be a major issue when he meets Obama.

Washington now wants Abe to agree to a “collective defense” arrangement similar to NATO, which would see Japan strike back at an enemy that attacks the United States. (The inverse has been true for some seven decades.) If Abe goes along with this arrangement, he would place Japan at even greater loggerheads with China and North Korea, making his own nation subject to retaliation in response to American military actions throughout the region.

Abe would also suffer domestically if he consented to the United States’ demands for collective defense. In mid-March Abe’s own Liberal Democratic Party convened a conference during which party members challenged the wisdom and constitutionality of the policy. Even conservatives who welcome American military support if China moves toward any of the disputed islands in the Pacific are wary of being drawn into some greater U.S.-China regional tussle.

Japan’s economic priorities are also at stake. Abe must decide whether to join China’s new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB). The United States has opposed the bank, arguing that it will undermine the World Bank and Asian Development Bank. But the White House failed to keep allies South Korea, Taiwan and Australia from signing on. Only Japan has so far stood aside, at the cost of further weakening its relations with China.

Japan’s business community, seeking access to the funds and the Chinese markets that AIIB membership will provide, turned up the heat on Abe. “The business community woke up late, but now they have mounted a big campaign for the AIIB which appears to be very effective,” Japanese Ambassador to China Masato Kitera told the Financial Times. Abe will have to choose between disappointing the United States or his own business community.

Some Japanese media are stating Japan “has not yet decided” whether or not to join the AIIB, as opposed to a common line just a few months ago that the country gave a firm “no.” There is speculation that Japan may announce its participation in the new bank as early as this summer.

The U.S.-Japan relationship is also being tested over the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), one of the biggest trade deals in history. The White House is pushing Japan to sign on; doing so would provide significantly higher gains for the United States by busting open Asian markets, freeing some 40 percent of American imports and exports from tariff and non-tariff barriers, and thus weakening the economic power of China in the region. Abe is stuck between pressure to uphold the relationship, and angry opposition from Japanese farmers who enjoy high tariff protection and are desperate to keep the country’s markets closed. Without opting out altogether, the only way for Abe to please his constituents is to carve out an exception for Japanese agriculture. This decision, however, would upset other signatories and chip away at the American desire to create a free trade zone in the Pacific.

A departure from the bilateral relationship presents risks for Japan. Not getting along better with China has benefited Abe and his predecessors, and the dysfunctional nature of the relationship has been made easier by American support. For Tokyo, barely acknowledging hyper-sensitive issues involving other Asian countries — such as the Rape of Nanjing in China, and the so-called “Comfort Women” in Korea — has helped keep a small, rotating group of Japanese political elites in power practically uninterrupted for 70 years.

Hyper-conservative voters are a mainstay of support for Abe and his party. These supporters see apologies for World War Two crimes as pandering to the demands of Japan’s Asian neighbors. What outsiders may see as leftover issues from a distant war are red meat to Japan’s conservative voters, and to the powerful corporate heads who support them.

Japan has also benefited from the bilateral relationship by developing a lucrative domestic arms industry that caters to American needs. For example, Japan is building a $1 billion facility for final assembly of Lockheed Martin’s F-35 fighters, and will play a large role in the maintenance of those jets in Asia.

On the U.S. side, America maintains significant military bases across the Japanese archipelago. These facilities served as staging areas during the Cold War, and today help the United States counter China. Japan supports the American position in most international forums (Japan votes with the United States at the United Nations about as often as most European allies), donates cash to development efforts in Afghanistan, and even sent a symbolic clutch of troops into Iraq in 2004.

Navigating these issues may force America to accept less than what it wants out of Japan. Doing so would avoid putting Abe in so many no-win situations that he loses domestic support, and thus becomes ineffectual. Obama would do well to understand this, and to carefully choose which issues to press.

What was once America’s most stable relationship in Asia is moving into the category of “it’s complicated.”

 

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Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:15 | 6033964 Latina Lover
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Ha ha! USSA to use Japan to counter China, LOL!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:17 | 6033967 PartysOver
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I was thinking just another pissing contest between O and Putin using Japan as the proxy.  Either way, what a farce.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:26 | 6033989 power steering
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I propose a Kung Fu tournament on this island to determine the rightful master. I submit we invite John Saxon and Kareem Jabbar and the Green Hornet's driver 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:37 | 6034010 Headbanger
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No Kung Fu U!

Balls of Fury Tournement!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfR62ijVnmU

But here best Kung Fu movie ever made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgM7GukXzrg

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:43 | 6034048 Oh regional Indian
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Japan, their religioin, shinto is judaism in disguise.

Talk about a stockholm syndrome case as a nation, supposedly a-mombed, fire-mombed and crushed and culturally destroyed not 6 decades ago, still firmly under the thumb.

BOJ is a FED syphon and hydrant together. And it does look like the spark has to in the ME with other key regions primed liek this, need-less tension.

Tch....

Thoughts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7QkQ4pZEa8

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:46 | 6034059 Headbanger
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Nahh..  That don't seem Kosher to me.

Do you know how much pork they eat!?

And shrimp?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:48 | 6034064 Meta_Consciousness
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Can't get the curly locks going, either.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:05 | 6034127 Oh regional Indian
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I'm watched/heard/read some very convincing material that supports that claim Headbanger.

+, the filth in japan is entirely israeli mafia controlled, porn, drugs, prsotitution, bars....all of it. 

It is twisted enough so it's hard to tell unless you see all the symbolism with educated eyes.

Amaterasu:

However, different from the modern Judaism, ancient religion of Israel, especially of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, inclined to idol worship and polytheistic belief (belief in many gods). They believed in not only true God Yahweh, but also Baal, Asytaroth, Molech, and other pagan gods. Practically the religion of ancient Israel was not monotheistic. Shinto's polytheistic belief seems to have come from the polytheistic inclination of ancient Israel. Shinto scholars say that a Shinto god "Susanoh" resembles Baal in several aspects, and a female Shinto god "Amaterasu" resembles Asytaroth.

http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htm

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:08 | 6034146 HowdyDoody
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That's a nice collection of targets in the picture.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:20 | 6034200 Headbanger
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ORI:  For that matter, Shinto could have been founded by just about ANY ancient religion.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:28 | 6034529 SWRichmond
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That's a nice collection of targets in the picture.

Not pictured: the submarine screen.

Looks like we might test the "multiple theater wars" doctrine.  Time to print more money for the MIC!

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:49 | 6034632 I need more asshats
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Funny, two hold outs for membership to the AIIB are the Japs and 'mericans. Even Canada has an application pending and of coarse israel jumped on board back in 2014 as advised by the rothschildren.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:21 | 6034750 rejected
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The new hypersonic anti ship missile's make those ships just as you say..............targets.

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 14:07 | 6039214 mtl4
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The photographer on the story photo must have said "1-2-3 smile and say QE!"

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:36 | 6034284 piratepiet2
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not 6 decades ago ?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:52 | 6034343 oxide
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"Japan, their religioin, shinto is judaism in disguise."

 

Now there is some serious ignorance on display.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:03 | 6034398 piratepiet2
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not really ignorance, rather agenda driven I guess 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:44 | 6034830 tarabel
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The nazi kooks see jews, jews, jews everywhere. Even where they aren't.

But I'll bet when they need an operation or want to beat that DUI, they are willing to stifle their dislike for a little while.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:57 | 6034875 piratepiet2
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no, the agenda is the alliance

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:15 | 6034969 piratepiet2
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DUI ?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:35 | 6034022 Hobo Sapien
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Yes! Presided over by The Craw.

"It's not the Craw, it's the Craw!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX4dzPQ6EsQ

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:24 | 6033996 SumTing Wong
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The US is just looking for a friend...anywhere. 

"We're still the world's superpower, so like us on Facebook."

Or is it just Barackeynes wants to break a few more windows to help out the economy? He needs to change his name to mine here on ZH.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:10 | 6034155 Shad_ow
Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:31 | 6034251 panicearly
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Search senkaku islande on google maps.  It takes you to Jp. Ministry of Foreign Affairs.  

the tiny  islands are so far away from japan, closer to china,  but according to google maps, they are dead center of Tokyo..

 

 

Tue, 04/28/2015 - 01:05 | 6036858 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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Equidistant between Okinawa and the Chinese mainland.  About 200km from each.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:25 | 6033999 KnuckleDragger-X
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America can't and won't do anything substantial to help our allies anywhere. Our military readiness is in the toilet, but not to worry, we're buying huge numbers of non-deployable, unmaintainable mediocre F-35's, so it's all shiny.....

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:57 | 6034863 daveO
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Washington now wants Abe to agree to a “collective defense” arrangement similar to NATO, which would see Japan strike back at an enemy that attacks the United States. (The inverse has been true for some seven decades.) 

Commencing Operation Asian Ukraine, aka Op. Chinese Takedown, aka WW3.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 20:57 | 6036256 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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It is high time Japan looked to its own defenses. Uncle Sam doesn't have the deep pockets he once did, and though China is close to collapse it will be dangerous on the way down.

Amending the constitution is all but impossible but Japan will have to find some way to project more military strength.

 

The Americans are pushing hard on this secret-squirrel TPP which is deeply unpopular in Japan.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:18 | 6033971 bcking
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Can they please bring back the kamikazee pilots? I miss those days.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:52 | 6034859 goldhedge
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The population needs to grow ffs.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:57 | 6034884 daveO
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Their relatives work at the BoJ.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:18 | 6033977 Consuelo
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"...we suspect the Chinese will have more than a few things to say about this."

So does Xi continue to play the Sun Tzu card, or do the Big gold guns come out...?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:20 | 6033981 fudge
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a broken nuclear wasteland rattles a sabre, we live in very strange times ;-/

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:39 | 6034036 Government need...
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If your nation does not comply and submit to our fiat-conjuring spending spree, we shall be forced to . . . send a very large cloud of our finest radioactive waste in your general direction.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:23 | 6033988 world_debt_slave
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enemy of enemy is my friend

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:24 | 6033995 FreeShitter
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Positioning all the pieces before WWIII.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:30 | 6034013 fudge
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i'm not sure that this piece is ready to fight ;-) ... http://tokyofashion.com/photos/ ... i think they look out of place on the battle field :-)

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:26 | 6034003 Amish Hacker
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Hey, Moe! Hey, Larry! Watch me whack this hornets' nest.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:16 | 6034184 Gohigher
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NOoo ! hit the nest in Canada, NIMBY !

Uh OH........bbzzzzZZZZZZ

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:27 | 6034006 Bill of Rights
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George Soros Funding Plan to Naturalize Millions of Immigrants for the 2016 Elections

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/04/24/george-soros-funding-plan-to-nat...

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:31 | 6034018 fudge
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yeah and fuck george

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:59 | 6034888 daveO
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Then draft them for the Asian meat grinder.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:29 | 6034012 Cardinal Fang
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This is another part of Obama's 'Storched Earth' policy...Corp. Agarn at the reins....

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:31 | 6034017 anachronism
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If the diplomats and admirals in Japan, America, and China have any sense at all, they should come to an understanding that is mutually agreed and -at least "unofficially"- publicly announced.

Facing a combined defense by the USA and Japan, China has no chance of taking the Senkaku Islands away from Japanese control.

So, China should offer a quid pro quo arrangement: The U.S. should agree not to interfere with Chinese expansion plans in the South China Sea, in return for China abandoning its claims on the Senkakus (and along with it the Ryukyus and other island chains on the Pacific side of Taiwan.)

This would be a fair and balanced recognition of respective zones of control that conform to geography and to national security.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:35 | 6034030 czarangelus
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I think it's wrong to assume the real goal of this policy is control of the Daiyu/Senkaku islands.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:59 | 6034372 Omen IV
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"fair and balanced recognition" .....always a subjective experience - the end of the Pacific Theater is what is at stake  -  the Chinese are not going to allow Japan anything - they want payback for 1940's & US out permanently - nothing less

Japan is a pawn with a weak vassal leader - China sees that and will test soon -

 

Obama is not the guy for the job beyond his status as Manchurian Candidate who does what he is told - those aggressive -  Zbig et al - behind the curtain keep pushing everywhere - cant end well  

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:00 | 6036264 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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If you look at where all those reefs are in the Sea of Vietnam, they are nowhere near China. China needs to be contained. Tell the Vietnames and Filipinos to decide between themselves where the line is and the US will recognize that. Then boot the Chinese out of the islands.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:32 | 6034019 wesson
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Japan re-arming is like a dream comes true for USA

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:32 | 6034021 Dr. Engali
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Isn't that nice? The U.S.S.A is giving Japan a little more leeway  when it comes to their military role. We are a magnanimous nation, are we not?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:46 | 6034620 rejected
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the old "connection was reset" strikes again... Double post.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:46 | 6034621 rejected
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"We are a magnanimous nation, are we not?"

Extremely so! (lol) Small incidentals like the Bataan Death March, Pearl and Rape of Nanking seem forgotten. I'm waiting to see the Flying Tigers be rewritten as a terrorist group.

If one looks at the adversaries of WWII it appears the ussa has decided to go to the other side.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:39 | 6034802 tarabel
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I think you have that backwards. The Western Alliance has gained Japan, Germany, Italy, who were beaten until they saw the light.

Russia and China have severed their previous connection but it is ridiculous to suppose that they actually like each other. China is slowly buying influence in Siberia due to the increasing dependence of Russia and the time will come when this increasing control will lead to calls for a change in ownership.

Poor Siberians. To be caught between two such rapacious and covetous Imperators. No matter who is in control, they get plundered. Change ownership and they will just get plundered again.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:02 | 6034900 piratepiet2
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"Poor Siberians. To be caught between two such rapacious and covetous Imperators. No matter who is in control, they get plundered. Change ownership and they will just get plundered again."

Just to live in Siberia is punishment enough in my mind, even without Russian or Chinese interference.

On the other hand, look here : http://siberiantimes.com/home/

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 21:28 | 6036362 bid the soldier...
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Siberia + global warming = Paradise Regained

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:33 | 6034024 Herdee
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The goal of socialism is to collapse the neo-con fascist Dollar .The way it is being done is to use the structure of the military-industrial complex to outspend and collapse itself.The plan is designed to have the U.S. ignore its' own social problems and concentrate itself on global military domination.Basically it's a rot from within policy and has been successful at decaying America's infrastructure and rotting Cities and has caused a declining tax base.Corruption in the financial Sector is encouraged because of the links to the corrupt revolving door regulatory system.All is connected to what you witness in Washington's politicians.The decline in social values translates into massive prison spending and the incarceration of the population.Free education in China will certainly defeat St. Louis and Detroit.Top it off with having a Federal Government in the United States now so hard up for money that it has used its' Intelligence Services to become the largest drug dealers on the globe,feeding their own people with opium and other dope.When you have a Government dependant on hundreds of billions in drug money,eventually something has to give.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:34 | 6034027 czarangelus
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As if provoking Russia wasn't sub-moronic enough, now we're going to kick the dragon's tail while we're at it? Do these people have the remotest grasp on reality?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:31 | 6034255 Toolshed
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Isn't it obvious? TPTB desperately want a war. However, the war they want is not going to be the war they get.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:40 | 6034040 shovelhead
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Ha.

U.S.-Japan Security Treaty

Is the fortune cookie. Everyone sees it but nobody believes in it.

The US has been at the all-you-can-eat buffet way too long.

China: You please to pay check.

(holds out a fistful of Treasuries)

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:47 | 6034060 Seasmoke
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Are those drum sounds I am hearing ???

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:49 | 6034068 Miss Expectations
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Is it a coincidence that all these "wars" correspond to ancient sites?  Anyway...fyi

Look for Senkakus and Yonaguni on this map:

http://www.japanfocus.org/data/nansei_islands_defense_network.png

Read about Yonaguni here:

Submerged stone structures lying just below the waters off Yonaguni Jima are actually the ruins of a Japanese Atlantis—an ancient city sunk by an earthquake about 2,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city.html

Yonaguni Japan Underwater Ruins

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:53 | 6034079 Meta_Consciousness
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The actual history of the human race is not well understood. Our time lines are way off, our written histories incomplete and cultural histories sadly biased.

 

That submerged pyramid is less understood than the Egyptian ones. Those we know weren't tombs. That they have electrical properties ( conductive rock, quartz altars for vibrational effects and astronomical links to star patterns.

 

The Japanese one? That it exists.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:36 | 6034285 panicearly
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Search for senkaku islands on google, map.

Shows them dead center of tokyo. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:50 | 6034071 Meta_Consciousness
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Won't China just build islands to encircle the senkaku?

seems a futile errand to assert control over any land anymore. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:56 | 6034091 Handful of Dust
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Taiwan is in a tough spot. The people there are now rather hostile to PRC advancement after seeing the HK protesters beaten back with support by Mainland. They do not desire that Fate.

 

Same time, they seriously dislike the Japanese and their claim to islands off Taiwan's coast.

 

Awkward position.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 11:59 | 6034107 cigarEngineer
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Have you seen the super-cavitating torpedoes built by the Russians? 200+kts under water! Defense has historically enjoyed 3-to-1 advantage over offense. The projection of power with naval assets works only against third-world countries.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:05 | 6034128 Consuelo
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True.   What will it be when a vaunted, intimidating U.S. carrier group is either neutralized, or rendered inoperative...?   And at a cost that is orders-of-magnitude less...?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:02 | 6034114 Consuelo
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Xi and Putin have this chess-boarded out fairly well by now I would suspect.   China will sit back and wait for Sgt. Rock to become preoccupied with Ukraine, Syria, etc.,  then make their carefully calculated moves.   In the meantime, gold is still 'on sale' for them...

 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:38 | 6034579 Mike Masr
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Russia and China are the founding member states of The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) an intergovernmental economic and military alliance of mutual security.

Shanghai Cooperation Organization Forces:

Active personnel 5,325,000
Reserve personnel 7,675,000
Available personnel for immediate activation and Conscription 192,039,958

Total of personnel 205,039,958

The economic and numerical might of China, together with the military prowess and vast nuclear arsenal of Russia.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:27 | 6034769 tarabel
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Total number of personnel able to walk to the United States from their mobilization depots: 0

Total number of personnel able to get past the USN in the event of a war: 0

Plus, if you are really dense enough to think that Russia and China can logistically support an army of 200 million, you are not just dreaming but merely imagining that you are dreaming.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:02 | 6034904 goldhedge
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Hey MPFagnet.  They do not want to invade the USA.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:55 | 6035079 Mike Masr
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Russia has more than enough of these to sink a few ships. So methinks your figure of total number of personnel able to get past USN as: 0 is overly optimistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval

The SCO has more than enough manpower to resist and defend against NATO. I don't believe they would ever mobilize 205 million all at one time.  

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 17:30 | 6035519 Max Steel
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he has been smoking too much crack lately sitting in colarado .

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:18 | 6034122 Chuck Knoblauch
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Japs have eyes in the back of their heads.

Radiation does that to you.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:24 | 6034222 panicearly
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Go to google maps and search for Senkaku Islands.

 

My results show Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 12:49 | 6034336 Lex_Luthor
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Only Pollacks can compete Japanese who is a bigger stupid fcuk and US beeyatch cnut.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:08 | 6034344 piratepiet2
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string of pearls ...

the alliance is... " the cornerstone of peace" ?  or cornerstone of divide and rule and stoking tensions ?   

Maybe time for Japan to realize it is an Asian nation first.  I write this as a "Westerner", maybe not in my "interest", but come on, it is all so glaringly obvious.  Just amazing how intelligent people like Chinese and Japanese are unable to break out of their ( historic ) passions. 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:33 | 6034555 rejected
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This might help explain the Chinese motives.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:01 | 6034648 piratepiet2
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Shocking yes, but it does not really change my general point. 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:06 | 6034695 rejected
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"Shocking yes, but I was not talking about the Chinese, rather about Japan and their current alliance, "the cornerstone for peace".

Your original post sir.(lol)

Please note you did mention the Chinese...

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:54 | 6034716 piratepiet2
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yes I often improve my posts, but try not to after anybody has replied or scored. 

I thought when somebody is replying posts get locked and you can not edit anymore ? 

Notice you misquote me below as well. :-)

 

 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:17 | 6034443 rejected
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From what I gather, the islands were supposed to be returned to China after Japan lost WWII.

After what the Japanese fascists did to China one cannot blame China for being a bit belligerent. After watching the usa assist Nazi's in Ukraine, it doesn't surprise me that it will help Japan who is ever so slowly returning to it's pre-WWII standard warlike fascist attitude. Their economy is in the gutter along with a declining standard of living which makes it even worse.The usa being openly fascist these days is also looking for a war (any war) to cover all the banking thievery and governmental injustice. After observing Merikans buying into three buildings collapsing into their footprint after two being hit by basically a flying beer can tells me they'll not only  buy just about any fairy tale told to them but will also sacrifice more treasure and blood. Looks like gubbermint edumacation really pays off.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:24 | 6034482 piratepiet2
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flying beer can ? more kerosene than beer on board to be fair

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:31 | 6034537 rejected
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Does your bar-b-que  melt down with the burning kerosene igniter fluid  or maybe your gas grill melt when you fire up the burners( and they're not tempered hardened steel) ... and where was that beer can and kerosene in regards to WTC-7. Maybe some JP-5 dribbled over to 7.

Yep,,, Merikans are seriously exceptional....lol

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:58 | 6034580 piratepiet2
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I am not American, and your analogy was desingenious.

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:00 | 6034678 rejected
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" I merely pointed out your disingenious analogy. "

Disingenuous? How so? If kerosene melts tempered hardened steel and causes it to shear the beams in a knife like fashion which causes a building to collapse into it's footprint then your backyard bar-b-q won't stand a chance if you use too much kerosene starter fluid.(lol)

And, God forgive, don't fire up that kerosene lamp in an emergency power outage.

What's an American have to do with it?  Simple physics... yes?

The whole 911 thing was bullshit. Up to now I thought only Merikans were silly enough to buy into it.

 

 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:28 | 6034767 piratepiet2
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" I merely pointed out your disingenious analogy. "

well, not merely, but yes I wrote that and edited that, seems ZH website does not function properly today.  Where are you based ? 

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:10 | 6034953 daveO
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Anyways, buildings don't naturally fall that cleanly. Check out Katmandu earthquake.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:34 | 6034563 williambanzai7
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Does Japan need to be a major military power once again: Does a Keynesian shit ink in the woods?

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 13:41 | 6034597 teslaberry
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the mother of all false flags is going to hit china---------and it will be the united states that sets up japan for the fall.

if not that, one way or another, the world will most likely be baited by a number of western mics into fighting another major war.

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 15:16 | 6034968 daveO
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Exactly. If I lived in Japan, I'd think about moving. Once they get their savings syphoned out, it's on.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/27/japan-insurers-investment-idUS...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-insurers-pile-into-u-s-debt-1430091006

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 14:08 | 6034704 Vinividivinci
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Well, since this all seems to be about China...what about the 8.0 in Nepal?
Wait 'n see if Lagarde's IMF doesnt offer the $5 Billion needed post quake for repairs.
Could be a nice way for the NWO to snuggle up to another chinese border.
There's only so much those little fuckers are gonna take before they pop !

Mon, 04/27/2015 - 16:19 | 6035213 Luckhasit
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i don't know if the author of this piece knows the word on the street, but in japan the word on the street is that america needs to gtfo.

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