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Inching Toward Conflict: US Navy To Escort Cargo Ships In Persian Gulf; Iran Refuses To Back Down
Stocks took a nasty fall on Tuesday when Al Arabiya erroneously reported that Iran had captured a cargo ship with a crew of Americans on board. It also sent oil surging. Things promptly normalized when it was revealed that the "confiscated" ship was merely one with a Marshall Island flag, at which point its fate was quickly forgotten (it may still be held by Iran, or not). But one thing is certain: both Iran and the US are itching for a provocation, whether a direct one or the far more traditional false flag type.
Earlier today, Iran's Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said that presence of the 34th fleet of the Iranian Navy in the Gulf of Aden is in accordance with international law to protect Iranian trade vessels against pirates.
Quoted by Iran's IRNA news agency, Sayyari, who was speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a ceremony to mark the National Teacher's Day, said that the Iranian Navy has maintained a continuous presence in the Gulf of Aden, Bab el-Mandeb Strait and western India since 2008 Sayyari
He added that claims that Iranian warships have been warned and that they have left this region are not correct.
The Navy commander reiterated that the Iranian fleet does not enter territorial waters of other countries and is only present in international waters to ensure security for Iranian trade vessels.
Sayyari said that the 34th fleet of the Iranian Navy has also helped other countries in protecting their ships against pirates.
A laughable excuse of course, but no less laughable than the one provided by the US navy offered ten days ago when we learned that a US Navi aircraft carrier and a warship are being dispatched to intercept Iranian weapons shipment to Yemeni rebels.
And, as expected, moments ago there was yet another step up in the Persian Gulf naval escalation when CNN reported that the U.S. Navy will escort U.S.-flagged cargo ships through Strait of Hormuz in wake of Iran seizure this week, a US official says. Specifically, the Navy will henceforth accompany ships on concern that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard may seize them, CNN’s Jim Sciutto says in Twitter post, citing CNN’s Barbara Starr.
As a reminder the Straits of Hormuz is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, one which is transited by 35% of all seaborne traded oil.
This takes place just a day after the Pentagon said that the U.S. would "be able to respond" if necessary to help a Marshall Islands-flagged ship that was diverted, and boarded, a day earlier by Iran -- though it remains unclear how far the U.S. Navy might be willing to go if the tense situation escalates.
Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said a U.S. guided-missile destroyer, the USS Farragut, is in the area and "keeping an eye on things," and in close enough proximity to the ship that they "will be able to respond if a response is required."
When pressed on what kind of incident aboard the ship would elicit a U.S. Navy response, he was vague, saying: "These [U.S. military] assets give commanders options." He said he didn't know "what the possibilities are," and the U.S. government is "in discussions with the Marshall Islands on the way ahead."
It is unclear what happens if either the accompanied cargo ship, or the US Navy warship leaves international waters, and enters Iran territory, which as the Bab el-Mandeb Strait is virtually assured: a strait which as the US Naval update map below shows has become as busy for US traffic as the 405 Freeway during rush hour.
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We will not under any circumstances allow Iran to interfere with our arming of the Islamic State and Al Qeada!
What if a US escort purposely escorts a US flagged cargo ship into Iranian waters and the Iranians defend themselves and no one is there for the truth. Does it still make a false flag sound?
So, what happens to economies during wars?
https://youtu.be/uhiCFdWeQfA
As I was saying... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-30/albert-edwards-what-happens-nex...
Wake me when the US straps grandma's to the hulls of their cruisers.
war is just a policy tool............keep ur eye on the ''moneychangers''...........
The US taxpayer gets to pay for it instead of the delinquent cargo companies who failed to pay their paste due bill to Iran.
And the truth was laid out plainly by The Young Turks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOXxt-985s&feature=youtu.be
“busy for US traffic as the 405 Freeway during rush hour.”
No problema ..as long as it is not as busy as a Buffet Burlington oil tanker trunk line.
I must confess I have no idea why the US Navy feels they need to escort US flagged vessels. There is something missing in this story. The Tigris has a lein placed on it by an Iranian court. Therefore, when it entered Iranian territorial water, the Iranians siezed it to force the owners to post a bond for the value of the lein. Once that bond is paid, I expect then Tigris will be allowed to leave Iran, and the matter of dispositon of thbond wil go to an international admiralty court. I don't see the threat to US flagged or anyone else's vessels in this.
Why are there so many Iranian apologists on this board? Did you know they sponsor terror around the world?
Not only that, but I believe there may be one under my bed !
Better you check too.
spaking at the un a few days ago, rabbi cahn says truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzQjFqR4Zzs
Does anyone really believe that Oblamo would give the order to open fire on an Iranian vessel? He's got his head stuck so far up the Ayatollahs arse he could probably pick mushrooms...
You mean like Al Qaida and ISIS? Why aren't our buddies from Saudi Arabia bombing Al Qaida in Yemen instead of the Houthis?
What is that?
Mumble, mumble.
Ooooh... Al CIAda.
The US has directly bombed and invaded how many countries in the last 15 years? Now add in the covert stuff. Contrast that with Iran and all their terrorists. Iran isn't THE problem.
Grandma Yellen?
Reuters) - Britain has informed a United Nations sanctions panel of an active Iranian nuclear procurement network linked to two blacklisted firms, according to a confidential report by the panel seen by Reuters.
The existence of such a network could add to Western concerns over whether Tehran can be trusted to adhere to a nuclear deal due by June 30 in which it would agree to restrict sensitive nuclear work in exchange for sanctions relief.
+++++++++++++++++++
I wonder what they could be up to, just a peaceful nuclear program I guess.
You trust the British?
... blacklisted network, according to a leaked report shown to Reuters.
Shuuuuuur - just how blatent can the propoganda get ??
War's coming - are you prepared ?????
The Iranians can prevent war by being transparent? If I was about to get my ass bombed off the face of the earth for a crime I was not commiting I would open up my nuclear facilities for immediate inspection. Why do they continue to hide? Are they willing to have the destruction of their country due to pride? If they were really above board and peaceful, they would allow the International Atomic Energy Agency which was established for the safe, secure, and peaceful use of nuclear technology, to enter and view all nuclear sites?
Otherwise, if they say no inspectors, then I guess they would not be the first fools in history to suffer for their folly.
Ever heard of STUXNET?
Who do you think planted that in Iran's Reactors?
One of the "inspectors" from the IAEA- that's who.
With those kind of "friends", who needs enemies?
And why do you state they're "about to get their ass bombed off the face of the earth"?
You need a new crystal ball, Cliff- the one you have is broken.
Supposedly that isn't true. The CIA found out that Iranian scientists bought USB thumbdrives from a particular supplier in Germany so the spooks implanted the virus on the drives before they were shipped to Iran. You know, similar to how the NSA implants a chip in USB connectors in US made servers before they are delivered to certain customers. Dell and HP, btw.
Stuxnet became public knowledge when it escaped the nuclear facilities as the drives were subsequently plugged into computers that were connected to the internet outside the secured and isolated nuclear facilities. Something like 100k devices were impacted globally.
At least that is what I've found. And no, it was not a Reuters story IIRC.
Yeah, that worked real well for Saddam Hussein.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc&index=8&list=PLk9KzSdScIPNMh...
"...Stocks took a nasty fall on Tuesday when Al Arabiya erroneously reported that Iran had captured a cargo ship with a crew of Americans on board..."
The crew nationality is irrelevant. It was a commercial matter - the shipping company owed money to some Iranian port and hadn't paid. The Iranians seized the ship until the port was paid. Same thing would have happened in the U.S. or anywhere else.
"...But one thing is certain: both Iran and the US are itching for a provocation, whether a direct one or the far more traditional false flag type..."
Both? When did the NYT and Times of Israel start running ZH? Iran has every incentive to avoid provoking anyone. This was not a military matter or a 'provocation' - it was a civil matter of unpaid bills. The U.S. MSM, on the other hand, apparently has gone full-retard to paint this as Iranian aggression requiring a U.S. military response.
"...A laughable excuse of course, but no less laughable than the one provided by the US navy offered ten days ago when we learned that a US Navi aircraft carrier and a warship are being dispatched to intercept Iranian weapons shipment to Yemeni rebels..."
OK, first of all there was NEVER an Iranian fleet of cargo ships EVER going to Yemen to deliver any imaginary 'arms shipment' - THAT was an earlier lie. It was the 34th fleet of a couple of Iranian Navy ships relieving the 33rd fleet. There was NEVER a separate 'fleet' of any kind of cargo ships 'dispatched' anywhere. The only Irainian presence was their Navy's replacement 'fleet'. Why are you repeating this as if it had any merit, Tyler?? The Iranian 'fleet' of two ships has never entered Yemeni waters (since 2008) or made a port call there. There was zero chance that the 'fleet' had an imaginary arms shipment or that it would have docked to unload any such shipment. This was all a fabrication of Weatern MSM, embellished as it was repeated through chains of other Western MSM. It had all the likelyhood of the carrier USS Roosevelt being loaded with Yemeni loyalist weapons and dispatched to the Gulf of Aden to unload them. It's preposterous. Seems like the imaginary 'Iranian-backed Houthi revolt' is lacking even a shred of actual Iranian backing, so the MSM is providing that 'fact' to cement their false narrative.
"...And, as expected, moments ago there was yet another step up in the Persian Gulf naval escalation when CNN reported that the U.S. Navy will escort U.S.-flagged cargo ships through Strait of Hormuz in wake of Iran seizure this week, a US official says..."
You know, I really don't give a rat's ass about what happens there. It's MSM planting the fake narrative that just REALLY pisses me off because people are dumb enough to believe it. What f'king NAVAL ESCALATION was there to step up - unpaid port fees? Release the cruise missiles! "...CNN reported...": it pains me just to hear that. So what's the big 'report'? The U.S. Navy will escort U.S.-flagged cargo ships - IS THERE EVEN SUCH A THING? What f'king idiot shipper would flag their ship under U.S. rules? The only U.S. flagged ships around there are U.S. Navy ships. There is NO reason for the U.S. Navy to escort ANY ship through the Hormuz Straits unless they're protecting them from Iranian bill collectors. For FUCKS SAKE, quit wasting my money on imaginary threats!
"...Specifically, the Navy will henceforth accompany ships on concern that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard may seize them, CNN’s Jim Sciutto says in Twitter post, citing CNN’s Barbara Starr..."
(CNN is apparently its own best source!) So now my tax dollars are going to protect deadbeat shipping companies that don't pay their port bills in Iran from Iranian civl seizure. How about they pay their f'king BILLS so I'm not paying for a naval escort? Or am I actually suppose to believe the broken chain of logic that suggests the Iranians are randomly seizing U.S.-flagged ships to start a war? Who writes this stuff for CNN - AIPAC??
"...As a reminder the Straits of Hormuz is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, one which is transited by 35% of all seaborne traded oil..."
So... apparently 35% of the world's ships paid their Iranian port fees or whatever the hell the financial dispute was about. Seems like FARS kicked CNN's ass in credibility this time around. Let's get congress to ban that God damn FARS along with RT - those bastards refuse to support the MSM narrative.
"...This takes place just a day after the Pentagon said that the U.S. would "be able to respond" if necessary to help a Marshall Islands-flagged ship that was diverted, and boarded, a day earlier by Iran -- though it remains unclear how far the U.S. Navy might be willing to go if the tense situation escalates..."
Um... how about paying the f'king PORT FEE for the deadbeat shippng company?
"...Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said a U.S. guided-missile destroyer, the USS Farragut, is in the area and "keeping an eye on things," and in close enough proximity to the ship that they "will be able to respond if a response is required."
The USS Liberty, unfortunately, wasn't given the same courtesy when it was documenting Israeli war crimes.
"...It is unclear what happens if either the accompanied cargo ship, or the US Navy warship leaves international waters, and enters Iran territory, which as the Bab el-Mandeb Strait is virtually assured:..."
Iran is nowhere near the Bab el-Mandeb straits - I think Tyler meant Straits of Hormuz. And second of all, NO it's NOT ASSURED - no ship needs to leave international waters unless Oman expands its territorial waters to the UNCLOS limits. Oman isn't Iran - they don't even like each other. And Iran has no intention of 'seizing' any ship without a reason - they had a court order to seize the Maersk Tigris becasue of a financial matter.
"...a strait which as the US Naval update map below shows has become as busy for US traffic as the 405 Freeway during rush hour...."
Busy? The Roosevelt left the Persian Gulf through the straits last week to investigate the masive Iranian weapons shipment 'fleet' and then returned. That's it. The only thing rushing ANYWHERE were my f'king tax dollars down the sewer while the U.S. Navy repositions an aircraft carrier in response to a NYT fabrication about a non-existant arms shipment. The Iwo Jima is still bobbing around the Bab el-Mandeb straits for no good reason at all and won't even help evacuate Americans from Yemen - we have to rely on evil Russia to evacuate them. What 'citizens' are the Iwo Jima heros supporting, anyway? Who the fuck pays you - Israel?
"Expansion of Territorial Waters in the Strait of Hormuz"
That fine graphic shows that the only possbile way shipping would be affected IF Iran insisted on UNCLOS borders (which they never have and never will) AND IF Oman ALSO insists on UNCLOS terms (which they never have and never will). If Iran did and Oman didn't, then international shipping still has plenty of room to pass through the Sraits without ever touching the fantastical Iranian UNCLOS territory. In other words, UNCLOS is irrelevant in the Strait of Hormuz except in the feeble minds of CNN viewers.
"...Iran is only days away from a nuclear weapon...."
Actually not in Tyler's article, but I'm confused as to why not?
Crazy shit going on in the Straits of Tonkin...er, uh, Gulf of Hormuz...shit!...uh, Straits of Hormuz.
Paveway do you get paid by the word? If not you have put a lot of effort into sounding like an arsehole.
Yeah he has a lot to learn. You do it so much more efficiently.
We should bomb them just in case. Iran? No...
"The Iwo Jima is still bobbing around the Bab el-Mandeb straits for no good reason at all and won't even help evacuate Americans from Yemen - we have to rely on evil Russia to evacuate them"
That's not going to be easy now the Saudis have bombed (using US supplied aircraft and munitions) the runway at Sanaa airport.
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US courts, which claim jurisdiction over all time and space, have ruled that only Argentinian boats may be seized.
Ah, ah, be sure to call it the liberal MSM. The illusion must be kept alive or else people will start to notice that the US media are always gung-ho for moar war, irrespective of whether the White Hut is occupied by a Bush, a Clinton, a Bush, an Obama, or a Clinton.
Because the truth is dullsville, baby, it's like totally square. Embellishment is where it's at, hep cat. If you want your war-in to be the grooviest, you've got to put the Hate in Ashbury, and that means expanding the narrative beyond the bounds of reality. You dig?
Would that be the USS Kermit Roosevelt?
Yes, in the two matteringest places of all: movies and TV shows.
But, but, but those are the only ones left to waste money on.
US citizens refuse to be constrained by geographical knowledge. Strait of Hormuz or not, for 'americans', a straits is a straits.
Careful. Truth telling about Russia will trigger the antipatrioticism detectors.
It is scheduled for the next Michael Ramirez neocon crayon scribbling du jour.
Damn that was good. f'ken A+
Thank you, Paveway IV.
It seems that as ZH readers drift further into bitter-end kookiness, ZH articles move more and more toward mainstream warmongering.
Alas! I don't like the tend in either direction. If we're going to get regular doses of warmongering, I'd prefer to see them coming from the side of the Rebellion, not from the Empire. We actually need more links to practical improvised explosives, and guerilla war, not regurgitated Stratfor crap.
Blatent terrorist, if so I hope the FBI crawls up your ass for asking for links to explosives. who would you use them on, americans, politicians, people who disagree with you? If you are not a domestic terrorist I will eat my shorts. Otherwise you are an agent provactuer trolling to set up other dim wits.
I hope you get banned by the Tylers.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
Free speech is protected, "Cliff."
Why do you want to ban it?
He said he wants more links to information on improvised explosives. Who does he want to kill, my children, your children, some goverment worker just doing his job?
Killing is the government's job. Along with stealing, destroying, and slavery.
You and your ilk really need to go back to the animal world. You already possess all the behaviors needed, you would be right at home.
I never said I wanted to kill anyone. I do promote defending my self, my country and my family from terrorists. There is a way to promote change in this country called a political process, no matter how crappy it may be, other than through violence. You are now defending terrorists, what is you complaint exactly against me?
Exactly who are these terrorists you want to defend yourself from?
The US MIC?
The US gubmint?
Oh, those.
Hmm, you insult the animal world. 'Throw me to the wolves 'cause there's order in the pack'. That and animals don't kill for sport or other non-existential reasons.
You're projecting, Cliff.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Nothing wrong with learning things that might come in handy one day.
I'm guessing you're a gubmint sycophant and look to gubmint to "protect" you.
Am I right or amiright?
nah, he's trolling from Langley
What are you some kind of traitor? We have to be prepared to fight back when Iran invades and conquers the US. That and I have some stumps that would be a lot easier to blow up than dig out.
The Anarchist's Cookbook
Found at better NSA monitored sites throughout the universe.
As for the guerilla stuff, try National Georgaphic or
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/guerrilla-marketing.asp
Kudos for the assessment.
I'd ask for citations but the they are inherent in the nature of the story development through which you cited overall sources.
I have two friends whose kids joined up within the last eight months. I kept my mouth shut for two reasons that will bore readers.
But I told them both about jade helm and the nature of the US governments' business dealings with Iran despite the rhetoric.
Both came away with a sigh of relief, despite both anticipating me to scare them into trying to persuade their kids into going awol.
I blamed jade helm on the terrorists already being within CONUS.
I let the first navy news stink in, then follow up with tree fact it wasn't American and was under court order.
What I love most about propaganda is that the only two reasons to believe it are under threat of death or non payment.
What happens when your economy is worse than terrible and your stock market makes new highs?
Say everything's OK and open another tin of Persian caviar and bottle of Dom Perignon, silly.
Just after inciting a new riot to keep the peasantry's minds on the necessity of a Strong Peace-loving Centrally Planned Project to Protect and Nurture.
Look! A Shiny New Unicorn came with my New ObammiePhone!
If the Iranian Navy were smart, they'd LIVE-STREAM the event, for the world to see the drama at sea.
And provide real-time locations of ships involved, relative to borders, markers, etc. Then there'd be no Horsing around for Kerry.
The Internet and Social Media have "democratized crisis coverage", lest there be the DOD-edited version only on the MSM.
"They spoofed the GPS, our ships never left port, its a plywood mock-up of our aircraft carrier, the Russians did it, freedum, democrazy, don't question your superiors..." - plenty of lies that stupid sheeple will swallow hook line and sinker despite any evidence to the contrary.
Ever wonder why there is almost never any coverage of US .mil operations? Word is electronics stop working just before the splat. The electronic countermeasures allow the weapon(s) to hit home (literally) without interference and they get "full spectrum dominance" meaning media too.
Syria’s Nightmarish Narrative
April 27, 2015
Exclusive: With military and political help from Saudi Arabia and Israel, the nightmare scenario of an Al-Qaeda and/or Islamic State victory in Syria may be coming true, as the army of the more secular Syrian government retreats and as President Obama seems frozen by indecision, reports Robert Parry.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/27/syrias-nightmarish-narrative/
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/27/syrias-nightmarish-narrative/
Thanks. Good comment section.
August are you a paid agent provactuer or a domestic terrorist?
Are you one of Andrew's lackeys?
The number one terrorist group that has ever existed is government.
Nothing else comes close.
So what do you propose? Anarchy? Civil War? Do you want to turn the US into Syria? What are your solutions other than calling someone names?
You could start by not being a cheerleader for wars we don't need and calling people who are typing messages on the internet terrorists. The next step is to realize that you are over 50x more likely to be killed by your own government than by one of them "terrorists" you fear so much. Where you take it from there is up to you. You are a free man, are you not?
It's a majestic war. Foretold and it's end described.
No power on earth asserts any kind of end to what is burning Syria.
I am no agnostic nor an evangelical for any creed or religion. But Vietnam abd Afghanistan were never written about thousands of years before the war started.
I used to be cynical that barrel bombs wouldn't level Damascus. Now, it is just a matter of Nobel peace prizes exploding. I don't pay much credence to the assertion ghaddafi had twenty thousand manpads. That's three weeks of maximum launch capabilities with reserves in the ready. Assad could have launched every air asset by the time he realized the scope of that kind of capability.
That capability could have saved Damascus. As it stands, now, Assad will fulfill a religion's prophecy that he denounces. He'll make the Jews belief in their book stronger. He'll make the Hagee disciples into " I told you so"'s.
Isn't that prophetic, even if the book is just text?
And to all those who say IS doesn't harm Israel, whether theyre fomented, funded or even tactically directed by western powers how do you explain the stabbings, car attacks on crowds, construction equipment attacks on crowds, shootings, mortar attacks and rocket attacks on Jews by folks who explicitly condemn then for their religion? Not their Zionism, but their matri lineal genetilinkage?
My koran has an explanation for why apostasy isn't punishable by death by explaining Jews ( back before an early genocide when they were slaughtered off the ' arabian' peninsula) planned to convert to Islam and leave the faith en masse to discredit it.
I'll abide by the rock worshipping faith when the Saudi government OPENLY wears yamikas in Mecca. Until then, let's converse about analysis and not bias, please. I shut my mouth when y'all spout off. Please give me that same credit. Ps- typed on my phone.
"And to all those who say IS doesn't harm Israel, whether theyre fomented, funded or even tactically directed by western powers how do you explain the stabbings, car attacks on crowds, construction equipment attacks on crowds, shootings, mortar attacks and rocket attacks on Jews by folks who explicitly condemn then for their religion? Not their Zionism, but their matri lineal genetilinkage?"
What?
I know you aren't talking about jews because they were able to live with arabs for a couple thousand years. Why do the arabs hate people who immigrated to the Levant from eurasia who also just happen to practice zionism - just what exactly is their "matri lineal genetilinkage"?
So you don't read any Israeli publications? Not even in a know thy enemy approach? No al Jazeera? No BBC?
The crime reports are independently verified.
They trace heritage through their mother's line.
You mean the US cannot sink its own ship in Iranian waters and claim Iran did it? What is the world coming to?
The US could always sub-contract it to the Israeli Dolphins.
Dummies always fall for war propaganda
MAERSK ship disputed over lowsy 10 shipping containers.....You still don't get it Iran again works with the West
Between Bandar Abbas, Suez, Panama, then the Skankaku Island issue, Falklands...something will give.
THere is always Taiwan to rattle the missile sabre at China.
And the newly warlike and emboldening Japan. The harsh Sunrise.
.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWyZu_n0BVM
You left out Kashmir
Kashmir is doing fine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzdgU_kpGo
I knew where that link was going to take me :-)
Fake war is a distraction to what is really going on
Italy Moves To Open EU Gas From Iran Through Azerbaijan
Iran Is Already A Western Business Partner
ORI - that music is just plain fugly.
All good proof, take all sorts, don't you know? ;-)
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Better be only US flagged cargo ships. I don't pay taxes to defend Barbados, let the UK deal with that.
The ship is Dutch owned and registered with a Flag of Convenience. Not a U.S. ship. it's flagged under the Marshall Islands . It's a Danish cargo ship. That was forced to move into Iranian controlled waters after first refusing to go, Iran shot warning shots across the bow..so they reluctantly went with them... then the Danish called the us navy to the rescue .
What! You mean to tell me that the Danes have no Navy to Protect their Interests in the Middle East?
And the EU can't rise to a similar occasion?
Gosh..... So what about the French? Never mind.
published it thrice
by mistake
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Can I buy or lease one of your empty "comment lots?" ; - )
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
I'm wondering if Iran already has nukes?
Yeah, because they were going to have them in six month's time for the last twenty years.
Just like Hymie Roth dieing in the Godfather. Been ill over 20 yrs said Michael.
Do any of you dipshits know anything about radical Muslim jihad? The Iranian gov is actively trying to create a situation where they usher in the return of the 12th Imam, which is their messiah. There needs to be war and extreme chaos for him to come to the earth and every human will be forced to covert to become Muslim.
Close to a bomb refers to the break out time needed to sprint for a bomb, it is a continuous state of being close to producing a bomb, you dip shits should stop taking break out time out of context.
Iran is not a rational actor, they will not be content with M.A.D, they will most likely use it unilaterally against the great Satan or the little Satan. Stop defending the promotor and backers of terrorism.
You are either with us or against us. You are either for good or for evil.
How is it that you can possibly conflate "good" with "us?"
Ron White was rather prescient in referring to you and your ilk, Cliff.
You can't fix stupid.
Ron white a becon or morality or drunken comedian that is not even that funny?
Here's the point, Cliff.
You don't know what, or who, is "good."
Only one knows - God.
And just as He used Persia to destroy Babylon, He will use Iran (Persia) and it's allies to destroy the 7th head (UK/US and allies), along with Babylon the Great (the global financial system).
Revelation 17:11
Alas,
Babylon !
Damn good read, appropriate to the times.
While that was a good read,
I was referring to the seed material for that book.
"and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction" - Revelation 17:10,11
Seven Kings: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, UK/US.
Seventh King: UK/US.
Five have fallen (written while Rome was the King): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece.
Eighth King, and one of the Seven- was, and is not: Persia (Iran), (process of elimination shows it can't be any other).
hasbara new recruit in town fellas !
Hows about I draw a neat picture of how close they are....
{draws picture of crude bomb with lit fuse}
Moar war for Zionists please.
Yeah but the Iranians can't say 'Toy Boat' three times really fast!
I thought we were Besties now.....
The U.S.S.A doesn't have besties. My experience has been that if a sovereign does become a U.S bestie, they will surely regret it in the future.
No, but we got gangstas galore, does that count? (Keep stacking chickens.. bak bok ba gok!)
Astute comment.
While pondering it, I realized one could actually see the the truth of what you said with a quick comparison of the Philippines, post DC US control, and Japan.
The Philippines under the DC US and DC US puppets wallowed in poverty, but has thrived since kicking the DC US out. While Japan, once a powerhouse, has sunk up to her waist into the muck; dragged down from below by Zion's chained beast of Keynes.
Of course, the Philippines are still not great, just much better than they were.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Not so quick, son. The sex trade in Olongapo went to hell after we left, leaving hundereds of women, boys, crossdressers, transexuals and assorted bestiality and other perversions workers out of jobs.
They can always go into politics as a new career....
It's a wonderful day for a false flag
Pfft, this is clearly a move for total world domination... (e.g. WW3)
They obviously just want to bring the last of the hostile nations under their thumb...
But, something tells me the BRICS are not a fooking joke, so prepare for HUGE losses... =(
Would SOMEBODY please drop a few hundred nuclear bombs on this planet and end this stupidity already? I'm way past the point of being impatient.
Not to worry. It'll be worth the wait!
Yo do realize that humans have already dropped close to 2100 of them on the planet. A few hundred more won't mean shit.
As much grand dad used to say, "Location, location, location!!"
And we have a 1% correction.....for now as we still have the 3:30 daily pump. Yawn.
ZNN is gizzing for a war with Iran.
noiZ-media.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
"All the noiZ thats fit to print."
CNN regardless of "party" in power has been the single most vociferous seller of US armed conflict under false pretenses of any MSM outlet.
Which tells ya' something also about "party"
Nothing but an Official Organ of the DC Establishment.
"The Inner Party [Zion] regulates Ingsoc and the Thought Police, and keeps all Outer Party [pols, crats, funcs, media, financial] members under close supervision, while the proles [workers] live in relatively benign conditions."
"The Inner Party represents the oligarchical political class in Oceania, and has its membership restricted to 6 million individuals (about 2% of the population)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Party
Orwell was on to something like a dog rooting for a bone he can smell, but not yet see.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
It's AEN, the Airport Entertainment Network.
ZNN is gizzing for a war with Iran
Dude, if Netanyahu's "Spy vs Spy" cartoon-bomb drawing didn't convince us to blow up Iran, nothing will. That picture was scary!
Not good for anybody, except Israel!
The Kingdom of Saudi Israelia will not be denied conflict with Iran...they just have to figure out a clever way of suckering AmeriKa into fighting it for them, like good goys.
My fiat is on a sunk carrier, or an EMP over the neo-con sheeple "heartland."
But then if it's a "dirty nuke" in Chicago, do I still get the "chicken dinner?"
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Oh, where, oh, where, will the "Dancing Mossads" dance next?
On DWTS.
Dancing With The Shia? Shiites?
after Syria?
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/29/the-day-after-damascus-falls/
It is amazing that the neocons - Jewish Zionists ad their useful idiot militarist allies - have basically been able to openly write papers about what they want, pull of 9/11, get Israeli dual citizens in as homeland security chief and chief of staff, inter alia, raw data....and they continue to drive the entire US military machine.
And no resistance at all?
The Sheeple are scared of being 'branded' with career-ending labels
http://www.whyileftsweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bodysnatchers.jpg
One method to taking back the language and regaining control of the dialog, is to seize and take pride in the pejoratives, the language, that power and the elites push to tarnish us with. Much like how blacks took control of "nigger" by using it all the time with each other.
Additionally, I am fascinated by how people shutdown the truth when someone that they felt espoused the truth is painted with some negative brush. Like that person's truth is now considered wrong because he may be a pedophile, or wife beater, or philanderer, or whatever. Not that I condone those things, but I just marvel at the haste with which people disregard the truth and/or lessons put forth by someone when their morality is questioned, or proven malignant.
Like if Gandhi were without a doubt proven to be a prolific pedophile, would that change any of his efforts and sacrifices for the people of India? The image of him as a man and his morality may have changed, but not his truth.
Then of course the sheeple will follow known liars and criminals straight into the abyss of war and poverty time and again. So long as they wear a nice suit and hold themselves to be forthright, they can push the sheeple into unheard of crimes.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
I began this line of thought as an early teenager. My mother used to drag me to a church with this rather well spoken and passionate pastor. Then he was found to have committed adultery, and his wife filed for divorce.
So, one would think that it doesn't change his prior messages, and proves that we are ALL weak, just like he said. But no, he was shunned, pushed out, and people openly discussed their distaste for his prior messages because of what had now come to light. So much for "love, "forgiveness," and enlightenment.
And it wasn't so much the shunning and back-turning, but the rapidity and absolute nature of it that got my attention.
Got it, Whitey.
- Whitey
Those Muslims better not lay a finger on the Love Boat!
LOL of the day!
Final Chess pieces all in place for the False Flag Op in case they need the War to break out ASAP.
Of course in case "Plan B", "Plan C" ..... does not work as planned already
The First Global Revolution all planned & brought to you by The Cllub of Rome / Commttee of 300 etc...
Time for another PATSY. Your attention please, Summoning the ghost of Lee Harvey Oswald ....
Send some money to the church of end day saints, I'm pretty sure they have ressurection services available...
Dusting off the old Lusitania gambit? It worked then, why not now?
Ok all you lovers of the scary Putin and Iran fantasy. You have posted repeatedly about Russia has a secret weapon (and has given it to Iran) that disables all electronics and claim Russia used it on a US naval ship and the crew refused to sail again once it entered port. You also have claimed that Iran developed it's own ray cannon that can disable any electronic ship, missile, plane or weapon. Well, lets see it. I mean if they have that then there is no defense and no reason for Iran not to take out these ships.
Recently even the Tylers wrote their own article here that claimed Iran was about to invade Saudi Arabia and then take over the ME. How ridiculas does that seem now? Actually, it was clearly pure trash from the Tylers then.
Do not mistake this as pro US policy comments. Just anti fantasy and anti propaganda.
Iran, go ahead and release those scary rubber boats and motor boats you used to attack a wooden pretend aircraft carrier. US war ships are going to sail in your waters.
Did Putin ever deliver the S-300 systems to Iran. No. So when and why not? And why did Putin cancel a fully signed contract years ago to sell them to Iran and Syria?
Send in the Kardashians to settle it once and for all!
Stumpy
Do you want to tell us where you learned that Russia gave 'Khibiny' to Iran when it is one of their most guarded secret weapons and the Russians wouldn't trust any Iranian officer with the ability to learn how it was made?
Bid:
Reread what I posted a little slower. I did not say Russia had this secret weapon, the Putin fan club has been posting this. I am ridiculing this fantasy. There is no such weapon, the claimed event did not occur, the sailors on the navy ship did not resign and refuse orders.
Then some of them started posting that Iran had developed it's own ray cannon that was a technology unknown to other nations. Claiming it could do magical things. Like disable an entire ship or knock all planes out of the air due to system failure.
Iran has supercavitating torpedoes and Sunburns, and contrary to conventional expectation, a speedboat swarm is a proven way of overcoming a carrier group's defense barrier.
http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7606&IBLOCK_ID=35
I'm willing to listen. Please inform us of one instance (an actual attack) where a speedboat swarm has overcome a carrier group's defense barrier. Not some war game. Especially not some war game where the opposing side had stood down it's defenses as part of the exercise.
I think the two countries with substantial carrier groups would be the US and Russia.
Is there a case where their defenses were penetrated and the carrier's or air craft carrier was sunk?
Can you imagine how pissed the Navy would be if it lost a carrier? I wouldn't put it past them to fire up a battleship or two and lay waist to Iran's coast line. Hell, I would volunteer to help man the engine room of one. As an old destroyer sailor it would be a blast to ride some big iron.
"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." - Sun Tzu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
Ya better be a really good swimmer.
stumpy
Yes I'm a Putin fanboi and I have posted as much as anyone here about USS Donald Cook. But I haven't read anything about giving a khibiny to Iran
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-jet-makes-provocative-and-unprofessi...
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/2014/0415/Russian-aircraft...
So stumpy as you can read both the Ruskies and the Pentagon say that the SU-24 made a dozen passes over the Cook. There is no doubt about about that.
The bomber was at least 1000 feet over the Donald Cook. No attempt was made to frighten it with cannon fire from the deck.
There is no reason that the SU-24 made 12 passes of the Cook except that it knew it could not be shot down. If the Cook's radar was working DON'T YOU THINK THE CAPTAIN WOULD HAVE FELT THE RIGHT TO SHOOT A MISSILE AT THE PLANE?
Why would the Russians throw away a perfectly good jet and risk losing a pilot if khibiny had not taken out the Cook's electronics?
The Pentagon admitted that the incident demoralized the crew. Live in your elfin fairy world Stumpster and when WWIII breaks over your head like a child's balloon filled with urine, don't expect a towel from the Putin fanbois.
There you go making up fantasies again.
A Russian jet did make approaches towards the naval ship. Key word is towards. It never fly over the ship and it never disabed the ship.
The ship was said to have gone to port a part of a routine visit.
The pentagon did NOT admit or even hint that any of the crew was demoralized.
The captain of the ship stated there was never any danger to the ship. That the ship was fully capable of taking down the plane at any time. The captain seemed to be amused by the incident but warned that if armed planes pushed the limit there might be an incident.
Now back to your secret Russian technology that magically knocks out entire ships control systems like magic.
In the argot of the military they are called 'passes'. The SU-24 made 12 passes. The Western media reports that.
Please don't be a fool and say that the plane had to pass right down the middle of the Cook on each pass. It you know anything about electronics you know that isn't necessary.
Again Western media reported about the crew's demoralization. What else can I do but read what's in the media. Unlike yoursrelf I do not haVE A MUMBO JUMBO receptor labotomized in my brain.
Surely you know that ANY military command will tell officers and 27 crewmembers not to speak about a certain embarassing subject. If I remember the MyLai massacre would be one. So if you haven't heard from the captain or the 27 crew, get a brain.
Are you seriously making an issue about the words 'approaches toward'? the plane flew alongside the Cook and turned around and did it 12 times . Even the Pentagon says it did. If it was too far on the side of the ship why did the capatain say it was unprofessional and dangerous?
Link me with that or forever be a liar to me.
Magic technology, I don't know, but 'The more a radio-electronic system is complex, the easier it is to disable it through the use of electronic warfare.”.
I was hoping for an intelligent reply from you, but sadly I got your usual crap.
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The Russia jet never passed over the ship. It passed by in the area closer to the ship than is polite with the intent to be an irritant but always avoided entering the area that would create a threat.
The entire fantasy that the plane fllew over the ship, incapacitated the ship and caused the sailors to refuse to sail again is simply fantasy.
Clearly, if the plane had been aggressive enough to incapacitate the ship it would have then flown over the ship.
This is a coordinated effort to boost crude prices. If Saudi will not stop pumping, we prevent them from shipping!
Dumb Question: Why does the US have 6 US Coast Gaurd Cutters in the Persian Gulf? Maybe I am nutz but isnt the Coast Guard in charge of protecting the US Coast?
The US gov is more concerned about the safety and security of Ghawar than most of the US costal waters. Martha's vinyard excepted of course.
Why does the US have 6 US Coast Gaurd Cutters in the Persian Gulf?
I had the same question when I saw that . . . I thought there was some rule that stipulated the USCG was supposed to operate out of US territorial waters. Since when is our "coast guard" supposed to be guarding the cost of Saudi Arabia or Oman?
Same reason the u.s army is guarding S. Korea, Japans and Europe and now Ukrainian borders.
Well, they couldn't stand the thought of being upstaged by the domestic FBI in over 100 countries. Everybody's doin' it, dontcha know.
Because the US is the (self-declared) global cop and Force For Good(TM)
here's why
http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/coast-guard-mission-values.htm...
the world has adopted U.S. Coast Guard safety standards.
yes, even the rooskies.
anytime there is a concentration of shipping, for any reason, the U.S. Coast Guard will have a presence. even if none of the shipping is U.S. flagged.
by international law, if the U.S. Coast Guard observes a ship dumping excrement, of any type, overboard, they have authority to board.
The US Coastguard can board any ship anytime anywhere, why , because nobody is giong to stop them and if your pappers are not right you get arrested and takeen to America for procesing and your boat/ship is burnt and sunk.
u mad bro ?
I read some weeks ago that the role of the coast guard was being expanded to include much more duty in the protection of the homeland.
Homeland=the whole world. Thats the Americunt goal.
What I want to know is why are the Saudis, Iraqis and Venezuelans, etc, living on top of the USA's oil???????
Read "The Prize" by Daniel Yergin. Then you'll know why.
Technically speaking they still are US Coast Guards albeit some miles away...