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Paul Craig Roberts: "Insanity Grips The Western World"
Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,
Just as Karl Marx claimed that History had chosen the proletariat, neoconservatives claim that History has chosen America. Just as the Nazis proclaimed “Deutschland uber alles,” neoconservatives proclaim “America uber alles.” In September 2013 President Obama actually stood before the United Nations and declared, “I believe America is exceptional.”
Germany’s political leaders and those in Great Britain, France, and throughout Europe, Canada, Australia, and Japan also believe that America is exceptional, which means better than they are. That’s why these countries are Washington’s vassals. They accept their inferiority to the Exceptional Country — the USA — and follow its leadership.
It is unlikely that the Chinese think that a handful of White People are exceptional in anything except their diminutive numbers. The populations of Asia, Africa, and South America dwarf those that comprise Washington’s Empire.
Neither do the Russians believe that the US is exceptional. Putin’s response to Obama’s claim of American superiority was: “God created us equal.” Putin added: “It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation.”
If all countries are exceptional, the word loses its meaning. If America is exceptional, it means others are inferior for lacking this designation. Inferiors have less rights and can be bullied into submission or bombed into oblivion.
The Exceptional Country is above all the others and, therefore, doesn’t have to be concerned about how it treats them. Obviously, Americans and their vassals think America is exceptional as the millions of people murdered, maimed, and dislocated by Washington’s wars in eight countries in the 21st century has not resulted in condemnation of Washington. Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and the puppets in Canada, Australia, and Japan still suck up, holding tight to Washington.
Instead, Russia and Iran, countries that, unlike the US, are not militarily aggressive, are portrayed in the White People’s Media as threats and are condemned.
The White Media claims, and has claimed since February 2014, that there are Russian tanks and troops in Ukraine. Putin has pointed out that if this indeed was the case, Kiev and Western Ukraine would have fallen to the Russian invasion early last year. Kiev has been unable to defeat the small breakaway republics in eastern and southern Ukraine and would stand no chance against the Russian military.
Recently a brave news organization made fun of the White Media’s claim that Russian tanks have been pouring into Ukraine for 14 months. The parody pictured Ukraine at a standstill. All traffic on all roads and residential streets is blocked by Russian tanks. All parking places, including sidewalks and people’s front and rear gardens have tanks piled upon tanks. The entire country is immobilized in gridlock.
Although a few have fun making fun of the gullible people who believe the White Media, the situation is nevertheless serious as it concerns life on planet Earth.
There is little sign that Washington and its vassals care about life on Earth. Recently, the largest political group in the European Parliament–the European People’s Party–expressed a cavalier opinion about life on Earth. We know this, because, if we can trust Euractive, an online EU news source, the majority EU party believes that declaring the EU’s readiness for nuclear war is one of the best steps to deter Russia from further aggression. The aggression to be stopped by Europe’s declaration of its readiness for armageddon is the alleged Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the “further aggression” is Putin’s alleged intention of reestablishing the Soviet Empire.
It must be disappointing to the Russian government to see that leaders of the European Union prefer to endorse nuclear war than to challenge Washington’s propaganda.
When I read that the governing party in the European Parliament thought non-existent aggression had to be stopped by a declaration of readiness for nuclear war, I realized that money could buy any and every thing, even the life of the planet. The European People’s Party was speaking on behalf of Washington’s propaganda, not on behalf of Europe. Europe’s nuclear war with Russia would end instantly with the destruction of every European capital.
The crazed vice-president of the European People’s Party, Jacek Saryusz-Wolski revealed who the real aggressor is when he declared: “Time of talk and persuasion with Russia is over. Now it’s time for a tough policy.”
Clearly, the European Parliament is a great danger to life on the planet. Is it realistic to think that Russia will allow herself to become a concubine of Washington?
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The inbred zios are walking into walls and dragging humanity down to a reptilian, base-mind condition. Time to jettison them.
Agreed, but to get to them we will have to fight through waves of Holder-armed MS-13 gang bangers, then ISIS throat cutters, then blue helmet UN pawns, then US turncoats, then various Russian and Chinese forces. Coming to a (war) theatre near you Summer 2015.
The problem has been, is, and always will be, that almost everyone's survival behaviors developed in the animal world and were optimized to succeed in the animal world.
But not in the world man's technology has created.
You have to love how he says "The White Media" lol!
rhymes with vassals
Maybe I am a little off on this…
..but D.C., and the Fed is a colony of vassals to the really, really, really big, old bankers.
Obama’s claim of American superiority was: “God created us equal.”
This is the root of the problem. Any politicians which believe that God protects their nation (e.g. Western ones) can always look to the next life if the current one is fucked up by 6,000 nuclear weapons evaporating the planet's biosphere.
I know that many people rate JFK, but Krushchev probably saved the world in October 1962 by backing down from nuclear confrontation. The Russian leadership, solid atheists knew that they had only one life and one planet to live on. JFK and other later politicos: Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Obama, and the likes of Tony Blair, all believe that God will save them on this world, or failing that, in the next one.
They never consider that there might not be a "next one".
PCR is a Wahington insider lacky and full of crap as he gets paid to create war/fear propaganda like that of Alex Jones and co.
Every stupid article he writes is filled with nuke war B/S........you need enemies for war and the G20 are NOT they are collaberators
JD must be one of those liberal Texans that lurks around Austin... Let's see how many down-votes you get for your opinion...
The damage is done, the fuckwits have taken over the asylum and altered the narrative by changing the meaning of all the terms... There is no stopping the US from sliding down the tubes at this point and the sad part is that they deserve it...
The EP needs to see a better doctor.
JD Texas is absolutely right. Spot on. He is clearly an insider still.
I mean anyone who appears on Alexshill "Knight of Malta" Jones.
He is a milder version of the dearly beloved Ronuus Paulus.
I love how flexible people's naivete yardstick is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4NGb8HJbk
Despite the down votes, I agree with you ORI, and JD. We're being played. Alll roads, even those of the cntrolled opposition, lead to NWO. Take this site for example. The most cookies of any site anywhere. Monitored free speech is like organic GMO.
As they say- you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
One can catch infinitely MOAR flies with excrement than with honey!
No shit.
Yeah, but they don't stick to crap.
If'n yer lookin' tuh katch 'em- better use honey.
My grandma used to say this. I was about 7 or 8 years old. Not until many years later (and grandma was dead) did I ever ponder, "Why do you want to catch flies....?"
"Why do you want to catch flies....?"
That's a difficult question indeed- Flies are pesky little creatures, buzzing around, landing on food and generally being annoying.Still not sure why I'd wanna catch 'em tho.
Controlled opposition. Their own dogs barking on them, which is creating an image of public criticism. Meanwhile behind the paravans, all real efforts of public criticism are brutally suffocated.
Look at it this way: PCR is to State Dept. as Hilsenrath is to FED...
"The White Media"...
Are you kidding us, Paul? Surely, you jest.
You've been around Washington all those years and you still remain in the dark about the media and who controls it?! I don't buy it. They may be white in color, Paul, but not in spirit. I respect you for partially breaking away from the other lackies in the "white media", but why don't you take that final leap and start talking about that white gorilla sitting next to us in the room?
The "insanity" you speak of in America has a source. It's the Jewish media, Paul. Sorry if that makes you cringe, but it will get less painful the more you say it. It's the Jewish media, Paul, who have turned our country into an insane asylum. That, along with the Jewish counterfeiters who control our monetary system, Paul. Oh, and academe and law are also crawling with them. Their influence and outlook on life is far different from you or I, Paul. Please, oh please, don't refer to them as "white" anymore. You know better. It's an insult and a lie. They are, in fact, as anti-white as can be.
That’s so racist and spiteful and…true!
You can say it without feeling as blameworthy and guilty when the Politically Correct “but not all of them are bad concession©” is included.
J S Bach,Samuel huntigton included jews among whites.
Exactly No. 9.
I love that last line of yours "Monitored Free Speech is like Organic GMO"....well said!
Not sure about the volume of cookies as I block them, but there are plenty of scripts that I block as well.
I like that bumper sticker end tag! I'll have to use that some time.
"The most cookies of any site anywhere."
That's is a huge assumption if you are talking about computer file cookies.
If you are talking about other types of cookies than whatever.
agreed. doom porn...
I find your Sequences exceptional.........or should I say conceptional.
Or assert enemies where there are none.
You're embarassing Texas.
Jdtexas, an out and out troll. Bold font a sure give away. Nice touch to add Texas to your name to give yourself some sort of credibility as an independent thinking person suspicious of Washington.
JD, I think you don't deserve all those red arrows. PCR and Alex Jones are what you said they are.
"They never consider that there might not be a "next one"."
I beg all you christian, muslim and jew nutters to read the above sentence and give it time to sink in.
If man had not invented religion, it might have been possible for us all to live in peace.
The 6000 or more nuclear warheads are only a small part of the problem. 443 nuclear power plants with active intervention safety systems relying on the power grid is a bigger problem.
Fukashima x 443 .. after the the electricty grids collapse. All the waste products of those reactors get unleased, and that is a far larger toxic dump into the biosphere than the warheads.
The warheads are bad enough, but the power plants are an impossible to counter threat. An End Of Life event for our planet.
443 dirty bombs just waiting to go off. I read somewhere that Fukushima has released more radiation than all the nuclear tests by all nations combined since 1945. We are so fucked. There had better be a somewhere else, 'cause we have fucked this place UP.
somewhere else? how about mars? oops sorry, they already trashed that planet
The problem with the "somewhere else" solution, is that TPTB will get the seats. Everyone else will be collateral waste.
Dont worry, mutant forms of algae resistent to any and all lethal doses of radiation will emerge and repopulate the ocean around New Zealand to produce oxygen needed for the 1% to live happily ever after.
Recall a comparison between two films which depicted a nuclear war, the US The Day After and Soviet Letters from a Dead Man. The contrast was startling and simly explained, the people in the Soviet Union had actually lived through a devastating war on their soil and devastating crisis were in recent memory!
Nikita Khrushchev's role in resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis has always been woefully understated by the West.
Look at that Eirik your right.. Of course it had to do with capitulation but hey take your wins where you can.. How about a rapie scandi report, how is it going in the great white er brown north?
Yeah, Kruschev was a really great guy.
This article misses part of the point. It depends on what Obama means when he says "America is exceptional". He should probably have used the past tense to be accurate.
Economically, America has been exceptional by any measure you want to use. You have to ask why people of the same ethnic and cultural blood lines of Europe did better than their ancestors. It was essentially liberty including economic liberty. If anyone else in the world does that they will get roughly the same result. Property rights, legal protections, minimal government interventions and economic liberty will work everywhere. America started as a relatively libertarian state. The rules were minimal and generally and there were legal protections for property, real and intellectual.
Now, America is same ole, same ole as in the same as any other centrally planned society. There is nothing exceptional about America except that we have a much larger economy to run into the ground than Greece or Ireland or even Germany. If WE do what they do, we will also get the same result.
So much for excpetionalism.
Funny Article! "Russia and Iran aren't militarily agressive". You gotta love these pontificators who've never taken a peek into a history book.
Craig is an Idiot. Just because the US isn't right doesn't make Putin or Khomeni innocent. They are very dangerous. Hedge accordingly.....
"The White Media"...
Yeah, I love this guy… He doesn’t ever hesitate to call a Spade a Spade
That's a crucial point, probably the crucial point. As you say :
« The problem has been, is, and always will be, that almost everyone's survival behaviors developed in the animal world and were optimized to succeed in the animal world.
« But not in the world man's technology has created. »
All wars are Bankster wars.
Everything flows from realizing that one point.
BLAH BLAH BLAH TRIBE BLAH BLAH BLAH JOOS BLAH BLAH BLAH
Same old zerohedge "advice" on the same topic. Who give a fucking shit anymore. All of you financial parasites doing rails of coke off of your bloomberg terminals are the problem, not the people you are inherently racist against.
But then again, when there are people put against a wall and shot, it will be more of you Hampton coke snorters than the real people working jobs that actually produce something. Fucking moneychanger shitheads.
list me what you still produce in america.... lol
Porno?
No,weapons & garbage.
How about collateralized debt obligations.
The world's reserve currency.
And pop tarts.
Oh, and hot pockets too.
Endless government parasites.
Donut-eating murderers ?
The western world's most retarded, atavistic conservative christians?
The largest most sedentary people in the world
Best paid sports stars in the world
Best movies.
Reality stars like Honey Boo-Boo
The most intellectual and industrial advances in the world...which get produced elsewhere.
Meaningless political rhetoric
Methane gas, fat, SUPERBUGS, FRAUD, tax evasion, criminal behaviour, small arms, fighter jets, BOMBS, MOAR BOMBS, Nuclear radiation, Satan's SPAWN, Racism, Violence, American 'exceptionalism', Central Banksters, UBER wealth & inequality, poverty, IGNORANCE, propaganda, environmental degradation, greenhouse gases, Ozone depletion, Space junk, bacteria, maggots, flies, income disparity, elitism, bastardization of the English language, really BIG fat asses, expanding Butt Disease, Kardashians, Mental Illness, corrupt politicians, dangerous pharmaceuticals, contaminated blood supplies, over-priced F-35s, AIDs, Retroviruses, Herpies, Hep-C, alcoholism, drug addiction, Cocaine demand from Mexico for Wall Streeters, Gangsters, Gangbangers, out-of-control police, low rated movies, American talk shows, neurodegenerative disorders, psychopathology, inept Economists, inept schools of Economics, corrupt macroprudential policies, BIG government SPEW, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!!!!
Sounds like someone's taking his demotion to fry chef badly.
You sir or madame are obviously a serious idiot.
The holocaust by all against all will be birthed , by American Exceptionalism.
I would place my bet on a missing building.
by definition power
assumes all insanity.
it is invariably dedicated
to failure.
the western world from the
get go, money system.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Not insanity, Idiocracy.
Shut the fuck up!
"Ow My Balls!" is on
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz(burp)zzzzzzzzzzz.
Fucking idiots with great bunkers to hide in.
They know their existence is drawing to a close, if anyone is foolish enough to strike out at them, then they will of course run and hide & launch on the free world, but I'm afraid the time of the end draws so very near... (Fools cause much loss indeed!)
Fuck it, dude. Let's go bowling.
but not on the shabbat, I don't roll on the shabbat
Stfu donny. You are out of your league
SHOMER FUCKIN SHABBOS
The silent scheming hand of ????R
Snakes are very deadly creatures because they are utterly silent & strike without warning, dragons too...
Why the foolish elite have chosen to feed the dragon (China) economically, escapes all sensibility entirely...
(Rule #1 YOU NEVER EVER EVER FEED A DRAGON!)
https://youtu.be/UqVYUzHc5L8
Rattlesnakes will warn before a strike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZy-wCOgZ4o
My general feeling is that this will contiiue right up to a nuclear standoff.
I just hope that Russia aims some of its missiles away from Europe and at the real enermy Israel and its proxy the USSA.
Once this is made public. The Neocon agreesors will be forced to stand down and we may have peace for a while.
Max
WTF???
Standoff? What is he twelve or something?
MAX, why do you hate Jews that don't vote democrat?
You do know what "neocon" means right, or are you just another fool here who uses words you don't understand??
Obama is in every sense of the word, a "Neocon", words and labels mean nothing if you don't have the mental capacity to pay attention to what they DO and not what they pay other people to spin what they do as something else. The White House spends millions paying trolls to infest the web with misinformation.
As always, our world "leaders" are hurtling us towards crisis, disaster and ultimately annihilation. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, etc. ad infinitum.
We have never gotten to the source or cause of these symptoms (the cause of insanity and non-survival actions). If we truly knew the answer, we would be able to break the cycle, and all of this would stop. A constructive civilization with everyone cooperating and co-surviving. Now there is a new concept.
Well said. I think it is possible, but we need a reformer in office. A true reformer and not a fraud. When we elected Nixon all the sociopaths took notice. It's been downhill ever since.
'They' would assassinate a true reformer.
"We" didn't elect anyone. Figure it out!
"We have never gotten to the source or cause of these symptoms (the cause of insanity and non-survival actions)."
It is actually simple. Eons ago it was plain old rape, kill, enslave and pillage. Whan BANKERS came along the strategy remained the same but tactics changed to enslave by lending. The cycle can't be broken because the people TRUST their leaders or fear them and those leaders are partners with the BANKERS. Wars are expensive and require BANKERS to loan money to governments. Bankers help humanity too, but it's expensive.
bankers are wholly extraneous but inherently destructive.
Correct.
The behavior is innate, far older than civilization, and is destructive to progress.
The US has become the most narcissistic country in the world. Not her people ... but our corporate and government leaders have no real empathy and use people without regard for their well-being. Profit and strategic advantage are all that is important.
You are wrong about Americans not being marcisstic. They are most narcisstic ("exceptional" if you like) people in the world. They fully support those same corporate and government leaders (not to mention our war machine). There is a lamp of freedom that gently burns here but at the moment the light is pretty dim.
You are correct, but people look around and see others sin and never look into the mirror of their own dead souls.
Definitely agree with you on that one. All I see are shallow "selfie" taking chowder heads and the majority voted twice for a president to perfectly represent the nation as a whole. A narcissistic selfie-taking chowder head.
"They fully support those same corporate and government leaders (not to mention our war machine)"
That is utter bullshit. Spend 60 seconds here, or on any social media site and not only will you easily find the contrary, but that anti-corp/gov't opinion outnumbers support by 10:1 or better.
Let's clarify things for beginners who may be present.
Those pulling the strings are not "Americans".
They are Globalists, some of whom may reside in America with a simple ideology.
We dictate, you obey, because most of you are sonambulent self-absorbed nitwits, and to play it safe, we design systems to keep you that way.
We'll have to deal with this problematic internet though. Too many of you are running off the reservation.
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startin' w/the 2 helio flattops hollande is denying russia, vlad is gonna rip eu/nato a real big new one real soon.
The flattops were a political decison - in order to increase trade and cooperation with EU. Militarily they are almost useless for Russia's needs (one could go in the Black Sea, the other ?).
Russian crews have been trained to operate the ships, and interestingly, there was a break-in to one of the vessels and confidential documents went missing. Russia helped build the vessels, so it has the plans, the training and $1 billion euro (soon to be gold) as well.
France has shot its reputation as a reliable weapons supplier, which has already affected deals with India for military aircraft.
France has ripped itself a nice one. Russia has just had to stand by and watch.
This is why Anarchism is a superior ideology
Agreed, Anarchy is the better way.
Right...anarchy leads to a collective group of people coming together and set up new sets of rules and leave out the name "government". The core problem with mankind is quite obvious and completely ignored & is a spiritual or moral issue, for man is born to trouble as sparks fly upward. The government doesn't matter; it is the nature inherited in ALL of us.
Anarchy is a joke.
Anyone who has read history or knows human nature knows why.
Thumbs up. Anarchy leads to a form of government and ignores the root problem which lies within each of us and is manifested by degrees based upon power, rank, influence and authority...sin manifests itself to higher degrees when given the chance...the only exception is the Christian, which are far fewer in numbers than those who claim to be one...most of those who claim to be a Christian can't even tell someone what a Christian is or is not and can't explain the gospel or "good news". True Christianity is not a formal religion; it is a love relationship that results in reconciliation of the creature to His Creator.
You have this backwards.
<<Anarchy leads to ...>>
Anarchy does not lead to anything. Anarchy is not a person nor an acting agent. We all know that.
Anarchy is a consequence or an observation. It is a hypothetical state whereby every human interaction is non-violent and consensual. That is it. If the interactions are not consensual, then the term "anarchy" does not apply.
I like what you have to say about Christians. I am a Christian and I am dismayed when I encounter self-professed Christians who have the bible memorized but do not understand it intelligently. [I am convinced that all of God's word can be summarized on a greeting card. Everything we need to know and do can be logically derived from His Son's words and actions.] Their faith in God is objectively no different from worshipping The Government as far as I am concerned. Romans13 tells me that nothing belongs to Caesar and everything belongs to God. It is not more complicated than that. A Christian who refuses to accept why Jesus chased out the money-changers is not worth my time.
This is a serious matter for me that is way more crucial than our relationship with the state. It extends into family values and the proper role "science" should play in our lives, to name a few. I am worried that my sons will have a difficult time find genuinely Christian women to marry --- as I did.
Allow me to explain.
I will use this definition, as it is more favorable to the perspective of anarchists: "absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal."
Now- imagine a world in a state of total anarchy.
Next, imagine that one group of anarchists, pursuing their absolute freedom of the individual- and their observational skills, and their knowledge of history- band together, like the Vikings and so many other tribes have throughout history, and decide to pursue a goal of taking whatever they want, by force- from all those individual anarchists.
The individual anarchists won't stand a chance.
And as soon as some of those other "anarchists" decide to organize in order to battle the invaders- guess what?
They are, by definition- no longer anarchists. They have then formed a government, with a leader. If you say they have no leader- then they will, without fail- lose the battle.
Now- regarding your comment on Romans 13- where in the text do you read anything resembling "nothing belongs to Caesar and everything belongs to God?"
Are you not aware that it was Jesus Christ himself who said "So give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."- Matthew 22:21; Mark 12:17
Clearly, then, you are mistaken.
PS- Down voters- I invite you to prove me wrong.
Anarchy, pacifism, and all other utopian ideals are the infinite goal, the E=MC2 of social theory. As we attempt to approach the speed of light we consume infinite amounts of energy. Our Utopian dreams of individual freedoms, of pacifism are black holes that when pursued in any meaningful way consume everything around them. There is a reason why it has never been achieved but for fleeting moments, quickly replaced with...reality.
As far as American exceptionalism, the way I always understood it, it was not about people being superior to any others except with the notion that people who founded America as we know it, left their home countries sacrificing everything for the American dream. The exceptional nature of America was in its founding, a relatively free nation, unencumbered by royalty or established power structures. Something we would give our left nut for today. Our exceptionalism is well past. Something squandered away like the rest of our freedoms.
There were other people there before the Lutherians
Lutherferians.
Thatan with a lithp! As for ananrchy, it is better than no government at all...
but a society is more ike gravity than light.
and you didnt really address his argument.
Society is like gravity. We socially tend to gravitate towards each other which ultimately culminates in a government. Anarchy is the response to this society aggregating increasing amounts of power until it achieves tyranny. Anarchy is a destructive force that theorizes that humans can live in peace together without rules or laws enforced by a powerful government. The destruction of anarchy leaves a vacuum that will be filled, either with a democratically sponsored leadership or a tyrant that replaced the tyranny of the few. The analogy to light is the belief in a sustainable anarchy or pacifist society requires infinite effort that always fails. A power structure will always fill the void. What is required is a completely different kind of human. Anarchy ultimately requires pacifism to survive as any organized effort to oppress anyone will not be apposed and will succeed. Marxism relies on the same impossible math, that a collective society can exist that puts its own individual interests after those of the state. Their solution was to kill or reeducate all of the non adopters in the belief that some evolutionary change would occur after a few generations. They admitted that tyranny was needed to establish this utopia, but it would always be temporary, as tyranny always claims it will be.
Oldwood? Lets Dance
Yen Cross,, has been around the block!
Two left feet and bad knees.
Anarchy is a lovely idea.
Until it meets a group of people who don't give a shit what you believe and start pillaging your village and stealing your women.
Defense is not an area that lends itself to democratic committees with the luxury of time.
It is ideally suited for hierarchies of knowledge and capabilities and to mobilize men to follow a plan. Survival depends on it so this method has evolved alongside with human capabilities. Utopia is best reserved for another realm because it has no useful place in this one outside of being a farm animal where all risk is nullified.
Except for that very last instant.
anarchy and pacifism and nihilism is ok when you less than certain number of person in the community. past a certain number, antropy comes to play with corruption.
we cannot stand calm with 7-9-12-whatever billion humans.
This America is a one trick pony, the next will have more of a chance at success.
Good gawd - christians and bible quoters on ZH?
I'm thinking of printing up a bumper sticker that reads: "THINK for Yourself - Hundreds do it Daily", but I bet 98% wouldn't have a hearty chuckle.
I'm also pretty convinced that the ISIS folks are trying real hard to prove that THEIR gawd can kick your gawd's ass...............
Where, in your closed mind, do you get off equating being Christian and quoting the Bible with not thinking for yourself?
Just another dim bulb atheist.
it's funny: you're all offended about him stereotyping christians as unthinking, so your response is to do the very same thing, to characterize atheists the same way?
hypocrite, much?
never mind that your words reveal the fact that you're not much of a christian anyhow, just a poser. well, good for you, there.
Not offended at all.
I just didn't find it funny, hence the dim bulb comment.
And the atheist comment.
But that was of course redundant.
As it no doubt is in your case ;-)
I have to agree it's a glib, childish view that anyone who isn't an atheist is an unthinking automaton because then, the reverse case could also be made by the faithful to their counterparts with equal ignorance.
Some of the most learned theologians will readily admit that their journey began less as an article of faith and more of a desire to know themselves weather faith in a creator had validity.
Personally, I lack the faith of either proponent and remain the despised of both, an agnostic who remains in the evidence finding phase.
I expect I may remain so until the ultimate fact finding mission is complete. Either way, I suspect I'll be disappointed in the outcome.
Jesus' words were a test of the intelligence and integrity of your faith. You failed.
Jesus did not say WHAT belongs to God. He leaves that choice to the individual. Jesus did not say "Caesar's face is on the coin; ergo, the coin belongs to Caesar."
Just like faith in God through His Son is a choice --- your personal choice of WHAT BELONGS TO Caesar is mathematically equivalent to your personal choice to reject that EVERYTHING BELONGS to God. It is one or the other --- for the genuine Christian, the 2 are mutually exclusive. You can not believe that anything in your possession belongs to Caears while simultaneously believing that EVERYTHING belongs to God.
I believe everything belongs to God and Jesus' was testing us. Jesus does not want sheeple following Him --- He wants true believers. You can not be a true believer if you hold a cognitive dissonance. You are playing into the devil's hands by suggesting ANYTHING belongs to the state. You are the type of Christian I fear.
This is a major theological sticking point for me because I believe "money" by its very definition is the root of all evil. The intelligent man does not need to read a bible to figure that out --- all he needs is to observe God through the world He created and to accept "science" or nature as is. I would have to go on for a few more pages to express how to connect those dots. Suffice to say that a faithful understanding of Romans13 leads to a logical rejection of our banking system that even atheists can/could/should appreciate. Rejecting usury, fiat and banking are laws of nature. Yet, the average man still can not figure that out on his own. So, God had to come down to earth and hit us with the idiot stick.
Jesus was only ever once violent and that strikes a chord in my "anarchist" heart. God gave the world moral economic and scientific rules to those who can hear.
As far as the anarchy crap is concerned, we are talking past eachother and I see no point in repeating myself. It will be a long time coming before everybody is holding hands throughout the planet singing Kumbaya. However, I believe that day will eventually come.
Whenever laymen question what the ENGLISH words in the New Testament really mean, it’s a good idea to see what the GREEK words that it is translated from mean:
“And Jesus said to them the things of Caesar give to Caesar and the things of God to God And they marvelled at him. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/12-17.htm
The Greek word “Kaisaros” used in the text denotes ownership- that which is “of Caesar” - the things that are Caesar's; the things which are Caesar's:
http://biblehub.com/greek/kaisaros_2541.htm
There is no choice in Jesus answer- that is why they marveled at His answer. It was divine wisdom.
Jesus specifically was answering a question about whether taxes should be paid- and His unequivocal answer was yes.
What you do not understand is that God allows human government to exist, and in this way money minted and issued under the authority of the government ultimately belongs to the government.
There is no cognitive dissonance in being a true Christian- there is nothing that should be answerable that is not answered in God’s word.
Jesus Christ is the shepherd- so you clearly don’t understand what He means by “sheep.” If you aren’t a sheep, then you are a goat, and it doesn’t end well for goats: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:31-46
Finally- this word “anarchy” does not mean what you think it means.
PS- You did get ONE thing right, however- Anarchy is indeed crap.
I will pray for you.
I will also pray that if ever my grand-sons get charmed by your grand-daughters, they succeed at knocking some sense into them --- somehow.
I'll pray for you, too.
As for sense: http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-5.htm
And as for learning: http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-7.htm
kaisaros is more 'belonging together' than 'ownership' fwiw.
masters in classics along the way...
I didn't know Jesus spoke Greek.
It is commonly asserted by many scholars that Jesus probably spoke primarily Aramaic, as well as Greek and Hebrew- but coine Greek was what the majority of papyri were written in:
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
It is possible that some books of the New Testament were also written in Aramaic:
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4145/what-portions-of-th...
this is a damn serious issue, what pcr is talking about - neocons are playing a game of nuclear "chicken" with russia, putting all of humanity in danger.
how did you manage to threadjack the discussion with your stupid pointless drivel about jesus, whose cock you can't get off of, the bible, and other useless crap of that ilk, that doesn't have anything to do with anything?
The Bible foretells what will be, and it has proven reliable. Ever hear of change by the channel if you don't like what's on? Same concept applies here. There are many of us on ZH who understand the importance of the Bible in world events, as witnessed by the number of individual posters discussing this.
Also, if you had checked the thread before commenting, you would have noticed that I am responding to others who made a post, which is usually the case.
So you can take your foul mouthed, whiney Christophobe attitude and ponder what your irrational fear of an unlikely event reply has to do with reality.
I'd be much more concerned with an EMP event knocking out sewage, water and nuclear plants if I were you.
What does Caesar own now?
Salad, salad dressing, Caesar's Palace, Caesar's Pocono Resort, Caesar's Pizza, Caesar’s_Band, and Northwestern University's Student Information Portal: CAESAR: Student Information Portal / Student Enterprise Systems
Technically, Lucifer (the instead of Christ that arrives first recuiring obedience) owns Cesear as this is the end times, though God protects His people who have faith in Him through a personal relationship through faith in Jesus the Christ.
As for keeping the topic more in-line with those interests already here on ZH, how about you read in the start of James Chapter 6 (NKJV), where 'the God of the armies [congregations?] of Heaven' says the monetary authorities should 'weep and wail' for the fraud/theft perpetuated on the workers in their fields because the 'gold' corrodes so 'testifies against' the monetary authorities due to the debasement/inflation of the 'gold'/'money'/currency and that He hears the cries of the field workers in the end times.
And elsewhere in biblical scripture, in case it isn't that clear when you read James 6 in NKJV, though this is from a bit of a different translation: "Vengance is Mine sayith THE LORD"
I recommend against taking something from THE LORD when He directly claims that for Himself, FYI. I've heard Jesus returns after dipping His white robes in blood, presumably so the splashes off the enemys of THE LORD don't distract Him in His task, but because, in my opinion, when He returns He wants His people to know ahead of time (but then in their still white robes) that 'He's got things handled', so to speak where vengence is concerned so, like He told the Apostle Peter when the military arrived to take Him to His death, if we lifve by the sword we die by the sword...
Afterall, when written, scripture was in a time od swords of violence, so the analogy was well understood by those used to fughting for themselves so that those people starting the church would know Jesus the Christ was also the 'business-end' of THE LORD'S vengence, so we were free to be with Him as part of Him as the 'sword of truth' instead of being part of when He arrives as a sword of vengence to handle those responible for the perpetuation of violence, while forgiving those who repent of taking what belongs to God for their own under Satan or Lucifer's methods or spirits of 'persuasion' or 'control'.
You have this so wrong. It is highly apparent to me that you're an atheist, correct?
My point isn't about YOU. It is about atheism. You're focused on a religious and cultural text as governance of your understanding of material existence.
You're very open with the complete lack of theological or philosophical tenets of the ideas you cited. You quoted only the material issues.
The rest of the meaning sails past you.
Here, here!!!
Agreed on so many points.
Science for nature as is: "Creation testifies to the glory of God."
But to "money belongs to God": Only if it is godly in its methods, agreed; as as also mentioned in James 6 (NKJV), which mentions that the monetary authorities will be brought to account in the end times for storing it up as their 'gold' corrodes to testify agaist them as (or when enough of?) the workers in their fields cry out to God over the fraud/theft perpetuated on them and the 'God of the armies of Heaven hears their cries' (NKJV). Read the start of Chapter 6 in NKJV; things will not go well for the banksters and their ungodly, inflated 'money'/currency.
To Crocodile
I agree with your take on anarchy of course, as long as we are talking about governing everyone/the world. Have you thought recently about whether this may be the end times and the lack of such christians could be based on the presence of the apostate-church in these times? Secrets broadcast (shouted) from rooftops, storing up riches in the end times by those who cause our gold to corrode (increasing the money-supply James 6 or conflating riches with good charactor), secrets wanted to be kept being revealed, Lucifer allowed to lead the world as the instead of Christ through mass minipulation ("some manuscripts say 'it'"regarding the beast, and advanced technology is a better medium for deception now, if you are also aware of the spiritual manipulation in as a pre-existing methodd of adjusting those unable to resist spiritual influences not of the Holy Spirit around since at least the time Jesus was here & associated, current prescribed or released chemicals that reduce resistance to existing spiritual influences), and other biblical signs such as earthquakes and weather and the like?
Also, great comment on a personal relationship instead of religion... the man-made rules of the pharisees of those times was something Jesus himself is said to have railed against. No doubt the man-made rules today of the 'lords' raised up over the lands as Satan tempted Jesus with to attempt to receive His worship. The charactor of love as described is the promise of, and in-part the nature of, I-am-that-I-am to 'prosper us' without resort to distorting the money supply as we are told God is love in addition to being provided the list of those traits which describe perfected love... "Love is..."
Better a baptism of the Holy Spirit before the conclusion of these times than any anointing of oil, as power or for self-agrandizing.
To Charming Anachist:
Thank you for your post. In your description of anarchy, I find something wonderful I refer to as the 'perfected liberty' (freedom of choice with perfected intentions/charactor) in Heaven vs 'perfected control' in this world because 'the world', with the fallen creation of 'Adom' (if I recall correctly) AKA 'Man-kind', the only way to enforce consentual interaction among all is through force; which, by necessity aparently, corrupts the assigned users/enforcers as others have pointed out. After all, that requires sin to perpetrate on others.
I hope you don't look to this world to find your wonderful definition of anarchy, as there is a taint of sin and intentions from the evil aspects of the 'principalities of the heavenly places' of spiritual evil from Ephesians 6 (NKJV) that have access to this world; just like the Holy Spirit has acces to us in 'this world', though we are to be 'set apart' here as an example to others, and so we do not fall to the leadership of Lucifer and his methods through his deceit and deception about what is acceptable in the name of worldly progress here in this world before perfection in Heaven, or fall to Satan and his temptations to receive lordships of the lands or great wealth in this world made of the stuff of this world (even if 'pure' money such as gold) as an exhange to replace our eternal life in Heaven with God.
To Seek Truth:
I agree with your first, short post above about anarchy of course, as long as you are for sure talking about a form of government for everyone/the world.
I am not going to try to shout scripture at you in an attempt to change your mind, as I believe that is proscribed in Jerimiah 31 near the end of that chapter for interaction between believers in the second-covennant, however you offered to receive clarification and I offer you some with the purest of intentions, as I also feel prompted to respond.
Charming Anachist's awareness of the meaning of biblical scripture is in agreement with my-own in that first post, except that I believe Jesus was hoping we would hear that money in a government-system is made by the government and belongs to the government, and as a corollary of James 6 (NKJV), is godly only when not debased and used to steal from workers since that then becomes an ustable store of value once the monetary authorities inflate the 'gold' so that their 'gold' can testify against them by the new ability of their now debased 'gold' to corrode.
Though I should also have a different sense of which aspects of scripture should go on that greeting card and would likely prefer to use a sheet of paper, instead. :) After all, we enter into a personal relationship and each of our understandings would thus have to be personal to a certain degree, but for sure include the guidelines on how we should interact with eachother.
Do not concern yourself too much that Charming Anarchist's comments on scripture have to do with him leaning on his own understanding of complete scriptual context regarding the fact Jesus effictively only gave the money made by the govenment (Ceaser, then) to the government (Ceaser, then) and indicated everything that was I-am-that-I-am's was still reserved for I-am-that-I-am, including proper monetry management methods, and in addition to that scripture offers written guidelines on how we should each interact with the government during the building-up of the church.
However, the end times should change the nature of that interaction, and the current times are the likely source of all this 'state worship' in some supposedly 'christian' circles; as Lucifer would be allowed control of the government and be working to woo those of the apostate-church who will be deceived and thus march to his methods even with their christian-developed charactor, though I would expect that to devolve in them over time under Lucifer's leadership and methods.
The sense of biblical-scripture indicated by Charming Alchemist, and admittedly a bit inferred by myself, in the posted understanding of how the interaction between people should be, though described as anarchy but more like Heaven after those who will not adopt God's charactor of perfected love, and that easy familiarity with scripture apparently displayed could simply be due to a pre-existing personal relationship to I-am-that-I-am through faith in Jesus the Christ and not from leaning on a personal understanfing of scripture; after all, that was written in English, was interpereted from the original texts, then read, but ultimately written on our hearts by I-am-that-I-am as His second-covenant people as mentioned near the end of Jerimiah 31. We know the 'voice' of our shepard, and at least some have the gift of a baptism in the Holy Spirit needed for us to resist Lucifer in, I believe, these times.
Is this ute night?
Is human nature a fixed state of being?
History answers with a resounding "YES!"
you're presupposing only 1 nature, and presupposing nature is a be-ing.
Being is not a predicate....etc.
here...
you and I concur.
LOL Is there a choice now?
Anarchy is impossible. What do you and all the other anarchists do if some people form a group, claim authority, set rules, and go about enforcing them? You will have to counter by forming your own group to fight them. If your group doesn't have rules (command/authority structure) you will fight independently and lose. So you will have to burn your village to save it, so to speak. That or you submit. Either way, anarchy stops existing.
Furthermore, how to you reach a state of anarchy, a most ironic phrase, unless you get everyone to agree to it which means that everyone agrees to play by the same set of rules and what authority enforces those rules?
Get over it. Look at nature. There is a heirachy in everything. You need to accept that. What you do not need to accept is your place in the heirarchy (serf).
Anarchy leads to your throat being slit when your friends leave the room.
You're a liar.
But you don't recognize this because you're lied to yourself, first. Lying to everyone else is a far less moral offense, so you continue to do it to shield yourself from the greater offense of lying to yourself.
an ugly comment by an ugly person.
your comment suggests that you believe that people are basically evil, and that without threat or duress controlling them, they will resort to murdering, raping, stealing.
this attitude says more about you, and the people you surround yourself with, than anything else.
you've provided no evidence to back up your statment, it's an idle speculation, and an ugly one at that.
How many evil people does it take to oppress and murder millions? The sheep are in multitudes and the wolves comparably few, but the sheep crowd in together for common protection. It is our nature. Everyone does not need to be evil for evil to rule. We can all love pacifism, but pacifism has been proven repeatedly to fail life. Pacifism is all that is required for tyranny to rule. The sheep are surviving not because of the superiority of their defense but because the wolves ALLOW them to survive.
To have TRUE freedom, a person needs to have no fear of death or suffering. In my mind this is ultimately what most religions have had as their principle offering.
Very well said. Maybe that is why so many people seem to hate religion, they fear death and despise those who do not. Of course, I am referring to faith rather than the forms of religion currently on display in the world today - a deceptive form of control.
It makes me wonder why people fear death. It is just a natural and unavoidable consequence of living.
I'm not referring to suicide - but I approach death as the ultimate solution to life's problems. Sure I have meager preparations to reduce the chance of death.
But I know no matter how weird it gets, no matter how weird I get to compensate, at one moment it won't matter anymore.
Death is a ticket out of here. A lifting of the material veil. An actual seam in the universe, unraveled just for me. I'll finally be special! Or maybe I'll be worm food and worm food only. That is a Valhalla in and of itself.
If my spirit lifts up and joins a higher plane, I'm sure it'll be a blast.
Thank you oldwood.
My point wasnt about human nature. That isn't some immutable factoid. Human nature is a window dressing, an ornament, an archetype for one's bias. I've been physically attacked when it was assumed I was alone and weak.
I've been treated with respect when I carried a gun.
I don't care if men are evil or good, I care about what decisions they make. I can influence those. So can having a posse.
Presumably, I pay taxes to support a posse ( cometatas) that helps mitigate bad human decisions. But vendors still sell my company I work for fake. Incompetent, incomplete, broken software. For forty years businessmen didn't pay my father for his architectural services rendered. For eight years he had the mayor of Kansas City on speed dial, wrote speeches for him and still wasn't protected enough to get paid.
He had no posse. Filing lawsuits pro se doesn't count as having a posse because the system is setup against individuals asserting their rights.
I see his point about sensing my bias, but I think he got myopic about my point.
i've often wondered if the people who are in favor of the most rules and regulations, aren't so much worried about 'the other guy'; but rather, really about their own selves and how they might behave in a world 'without rules'.
Anarchy leads to your throat being slit when your friends leave the room.
You're a liar.
But you don't recognize this because you're lied to yourself, first. Lying to everyone else is a far less moral offense, so you continue to do it to shield yourself from the greater offense of lying to yourself.
The absence of legitimate authority is not an "ideology", but simply reality. Unfortunately, people hate reality.
The definition of crime is any violation of Natural Law. Coercion and violence done by anyone, no matter what they call themself and no matter their funny costume, is crime - no matter their proposed utopian ends. Unfortunately, people love crime.
The master Aryan race, the chosen people, the exceptional American, the Black messiah, the Brussels Euro master bureaucratic, superman, the ubermensch, the Central Committee, a king. All delusions that fools trust in.
Flatter a segment of the sheeple and they'll follow you to their destruction. The gods praise those whom they destroy. A psychopath praises those whom he'll use to empower himself.
Technology has gotten to the Space Age, Digital Age, Quantum Age, etc.
Man's state of mind has remained in the Stone Age.
This is the recipe for... extinction.
That's why we don't need more knowledge or know-how, but more wisdom.
But, given all the Sheep and amped-up Neanderthals running around, following all sorts of outdated or stupid worldviews, that Wisdom will remain elusive for a while longer.