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What Does Putin Want?
Foreword by the Saker:
The analysis below is, by far, the best I have seen since the beginning of the conflict in the Ukraine. I have regularly posted analyses by Ishchenko on this blog before, because I considered him as one of the best analysts in Russia. This time, however, Ishchenko has truly produced a masterpiece: a comprehensive analysis of the geostrategic position of Russia and a clear and, I believe, absolutely accurate analysis of the entire “Putin strategy” for the Ukraine. I have always said that this conflict is not about the Ukraine but about the future of the planet and that there is no “Novorussian” or even “Ukrainian” solution, but that the only possible outcome is a strategic victory of either Russia or the USA which will affect the entire planet. Ishchenko does a superb overview of the risks and options for both sides and offers the first comprehensive “key” to the apparently incomprehensible behavior of Russia in this conflict. Finally, Ishchenko also fully understands the complex and subtle dynamics inside Russian society. When he writes “Russian power is authoritative, rather than authoritarian” he is spot on, and explains more in seven words than what you would get by reading the billions of useless words written by so-called “experts” trying to describe the Russian reality.
We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to Denis, Gideon and Robin for translating this seminal text, which was very difficult to translate. The only reason why we can read it in such a good English is because the innumerable hours spent by these volunteers to produce the high quality translation this analysis deserves.
I strongly recommend that you all read this text very carefully. Twice. It is well worth it.
The Saker
What does Putin want?
Rostislav Ishchenko
Source: http://actualcomment.ru/chego-khochet-putin.html
Translated from the Russian by Denis, Gideon, and Robin
It’s gratifying that “patriots” did not instantly blame Putin for the failure to achieve a full-scale rout of Ukrainian troops in Donbass in January and February, or for Moscow’s consultations with Merkel and Hollande.
Even so, they are still impatient for a victory. The most radical are convinced that Putin will “surrender Novorossiya” just the same. And the moderates are afraid that he will as soon as the next truce is signed (if that happens) out of the need to regroup and replenish Novorossiya’s army (which actually could have been done without disengagement from military operations), to come to terms with the new circumstances on the international front, and to get ready for new diplomatic battles.
In fact, despite all the attention that political and/or military dilettantes (the Talleyrands and the Bonapartes of the Internet) are paying to the situation in Donbass and the Ukraine in general, it is only one point on a global front: the outcome of the war is being decided not at the Donetsk airport or in the hills outside Debaltsevo, but at offices on Staraya Square and Smolenskaya Square, at offices in Paris, Brussels and Berlin. Because military action is only one of the many components of the political quarrel.
It is the harshest and the final component, which carries great risk, but the matter doesn’t start with war and it doesn’t end with war. War is only an intermediate step signifying the impossibility of compromise. Its purpose is to create new conditions whereby compromise is possible or to show that there is no longer any need for it, with the disappearance of one side of the conflict. When it is time for compromise, when the fighting is over and the troops go back to their barracks and the generals begin writing their memoirs and preparing for the next war, that is when the real outcome of the confrontation is determined by politicians and diplomats at the negotiating table.
Political decisions are not often understood by the general population or the military. For example, during the Austro-Prussian war of 1866, Prussian chancellor Otto Von Bismarck (later chancellor of the German Empire) disregarded the persistent requests of King Wilhelm I (the future German Emperor) and the demands of the Prussian generals to take Vienna, and he was absolutely correct to do so. In that way he accelerated peace on Prussia’s terms and also ensured that Austro-Hungary forever (well, until its dismemberment in 1918) became a junior partner for Prussia and later the German Empire.
To understand how, when and on what conditions military activity can end, we need to know what the politicians want and how they see the conditions of the postwar compromise. Then it will become clear why military action turned into a low-intensity civil war with occasional truces, not only in the Ukraine but also in Syria.
Obviously, the views of Kiev politicians are of no interest to us because they don’t decide anything. The fact that outsiders govern the Ukraine is no longer concealed. It doesn’t matter whether the cabinet ministers are Estonian or Georgian; they are Americans just the same. It would also be a big mistake to take an interest in how the leaders of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) see the future. The republics exist only with Russian support, and as long as Russia supports them, Russia’s interests have to be protected, even from independent decisions and initiatives. There is too much at stake to allow [Alexander] Zakharchenko or [Igor] Plotnitzky, or anyone else for that matter, to make independent decisions.
Nor are we interested in the European Union’s position. Much depended on the EU until the summer of last year, when the war could have been prevented or stopped at the outset. A tough, principled antiwar stance by the EU was needed. It could have blocked U.S. initiatives to start the war and would have turned the EU into a significant independent geopolitical player. The EU passed on that opportunity and instead behaved like a faithful vassal of the United States.
As a result, Europe stands on the brink of frightful internal upheaval. In the coming years, it has every chance of suffering the same fate as the Ukraine, only with a great roar, great bloodshed and less chance that in the near future things will settle down – in other words, that someone will show up and put things in order.
In fact, today the EU can choose whether to remain a tool of the United States or to move closer to Russia. Depending on its choice, Europe can get off with a slight scare, such as a breakup of parts of its periphery and possible fragmentation of some countries, or it could collapse completely. Judging by the European elites’ reluctance to break openly with the United States, collapse is almost inevitable.
What should interest us is the opinions of the two main players that determine the configuration of the geopolitical front and in fact are fighting for victory in the new generation of war – the network-centric Third World War. These players are the United States and Russia.
The U.S. position is clear and transparent. In the second half of the 1990s, Washington missed its only opportunity to reform the Cold War economy without any obstacles and thereby avoid the looming crisis in a system whose development is limited by the finite nature of planet Earth and its resources, including human ones, which conflicts with the need to endlessly print dollars.
After that, the United States could prolong the death throes of the system only by plundering the rest of the world. At first, it went after Third World countries. Then it went for potential competitors. Then for allies and even close friends. Such plundering could continue only as long as the United States remained the world’s undisputed hegemon.
Thus when Russia asserted its right to make independent political decisions – decisions of not global but regional import – , a clash with the United States became inevitable. This clash cannot end in a compromise peace.
For the United States, a compromise with Russia would mean a voluntary renunciation of its hegemony, leading to a quick, systemic catastrophe – not only a political and economic crisis but also a paralysis of state institutions and the inability of the government to function. In other words, its inevitable disintegration.
But if the United States wins, then it is Russia that will experience systemic catastrophe. After a certain type of “rebellion,” Russia’s ruling classes would be punished with asset liquidation and confiscation as well as imprisonment. The state would be fragmented, substantial territories would be annexed, and the country’s military might would be destroyed.
So the war will last until one side wins. Any interim agreement should be viewed only as a temporary truce – a needed respite to regroup, to mobilize new resources and to find (i.e., to poach) additional allies.
To complete the picture of the situation, we only need Russia’s position. It is essential to understand what the Russian leadership wants to achieve, particularly the president, Vladimir Putin. We are talking about the key role that Putin plays in the organization of the Russian power structure. This system is not authoritarian, as many assert, but rather authoritative – meaning it is based not on legislative consolidation of autocracy but on the authority of the person who created the system and, as the head of it, makes it work effectively.
During Putin’s 15 years in power, despite the difficult internal and external situation, he has tried to maximize the role of the government, the legislative assembly, and even the local authorities. These are entirely logical steps that should have given the system completeness, stability, and continuity. Because no politician can rule forever, political continuity, regardless of who comes to power, is the key to a stable system.
Unfortunately, fully autonomous control, namely the ability to function without the president’s oversight, hasn’t been achieved. Putin remains the key component of the system because the people put their trust in him personally. They have far less trust in the system, as represented by public authorities and individual agencies.
Thus Putin’s opinions and political plans become the decisive factor in areas such as Russia’s foreign policy. If the phrase “without Putin, there is no Russia” is an exaggeration, then the phrase “what Putin wants, Russia also wants” reflects the situation quite accurately in my opinion.
First, let’s note that the man who for 15 years has carefully guided Russia to its revival has done so in conditions of U.S. hegemony in world politics along with significant opportunities for Washington to influence Russia’s internal politics. He had to understand the nature of the fight and his opponent. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have lasted so long.
The level of confrontation that Russia allowed itself to get into with the United States grew very slowly and up to a certain point went unnoticed. For example, Russia did not react at all to the first attempt at a color revolution in the Ukraine in 2000-2002 (the Gongadze case, the Cassette Scandal, and the Ukraine without Kuchma protest).
Russia took an opposing position but did not actively intervene in the coups that took place from November 2003 to January 2004 in Georgia and from November 2004 to January 2005 in the Ukraine. In 2008, in Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russia used its troops against Georgia, a U.S. ally. In 2012, in Syria, the Russian fleet demonstrated its readiness to confront the United States and its NATO allies.
In 2013, Russia began taking economic measures against [Victor] Yanukovych’s regime, which contributed to his realization of the harmfulness of signing an association agreement [with the EU].
Moscow could not have saved the Ukraine from the coup because of the baseness, cowardice, and stupidity of the Ukraine’s leaders – not only Yanukovych but all of them without exception. After the armed coup in Kiev in February 2014, Russia entered into open confrontation with Washington. Before that, the conflicts were interspersed with improved relations, but at the beginning of 2014 relations between Russia and the United States deteriorated swiftly and almost immediately reached the point where war would have been declared automatically in the prenuclear era.
Thus at any given time Putin engaged in precisely the level of confrontation with the United States that Russia could handle. If Russia isn’t limiting the level of confrontation now, it means Putin believes that, in the war of sanctions, the war of nerves, the information war, the civil war in the Ukraine, and the economic war, Russia can win.
This is the first important conclusion about what Putin wants and what he expects. He expects to win. And considering that he takes a meticulous approach and strives to anticipate any surprises, you can be sure that when the decision was made not to back down under pressure from the United States, but to respond, the Russian leadership had a double, if not a triple, guarantee of victory.
I would like to point out that the decision to enter into a conflict with Washington was not made in 2014, nor was it made in 2013. The war of August 8, 2008, was a challenge that the United States could not leave unpunished. After that, every further stage of the confrontation only raised the stakes. From 2008 to 2010, the United States’ capability – not just military or economic but its overall capability – has declined, whereas Russia’s has improved significantly. So the main objective was to raise the stakes slowly rather than in explosive fashion. In other words, an open confrontation in which all pretences are dropped and everyone understands that a war is going on had to be delayed as long as possible. But it would have been even better to avoid it altogether.
With every passing year, the United States became weaker while Russia became stronger. This process was natural and impossible to arrest, and we could have projected with a high degree of certainty that by 2020 to 2025, without any confrontation, the period of U.S. hegemony would have ended, and the United States would then be best advised to think about not how to rule the world, but how to stave off its own precipitous internal decline.
Thus Putin’s second desire is clear: to keep the peace or the appearance of peace as long as possible. Peace is advantageous for Russia because in conditions of peace, without enormous expense, it obtains the same political result but in a much better geopolitical situation. That is why Russia continually extends the olive branch. Just as the Kiev junta will collapse in conditions of peace in Donbass, in conditions of world peace, the military-industrial complex and the global financial system created by the United States are doomed to self-destruct. In this way, Russia’s actions are aptly described by Sun Tzu’s maxim “The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”
It is clear that Washington is not run by idiots, no matter what is said on Russian talk shows or written on blogs. The United States understands precisely the situation it is in. Moreover, they also understand that Russia has no plans to destroy them and is really prepared to cooperate as an equal. Even so, because of the political and socioeconomic situation in the United States, such cooperation is not acceptable to them. An economic collapse and a social explosion are likely to occur before Washington (even with the support of Moscow and Beijing) has time to introduce the necessary reforms, especially when we consider that the EU will have to undergo reform at the same time. Moreover, the political elite who have emerged in the United States in the past 25 years have become accustomed to their status as the owners of the world. They sincerely don’t understand how anyone can challenge them.
For the ruling elite in the United States (not so much the business class but the government bureaucracy), to go from being a country that decides of the fate of inferior peoples to one that negotiates with them on an equal footing is intolerable. It is probably tantamount to offering Gladstone or Disraeli the post of prime minister of the Zulu Kingdom under Cetshwayo kaMpande. And so, unlike Russia, which needs peace to develop, the United States regards war as vital.
In principle, any war is a struggle for resources. Typically, the winner is the one that has more resources and can ultimately mobilize more troops and build more tanks, ships, and planes. Even so, sometimes those who are strategically disadvantaged can turn the situation around with a tactical victory on the battlefield. Examples include the wars of Alexander the Great and Frederick the Great, as well as Hitler’s campaign of 1939-1940.
Nuclear powers cannot confront each other directly. Therefore, their resource base is of paramount importance. That is exactly why Russia and the United States have been in a desperate competition for allies over the past year. Russia has won this competition. The United States can count only the EU, Canada, Australia, and Japan as allies (and not always unconditionally so), but Russia has managed to mobilize support from the BRICS, to gain a firm foothold in Latin America, and to begin displacing the United States in Asia and North Africa.
Of course, it’s not patently obvious, but if we consider the results of votes at the UN, assuming that a lack of official support for the United States means dissent and thus support for Russia, it turns out that the countries aligned with Russia together control about 60% of the world’s GDP, have more than two-thirds of its population, and cover more than three-quarters of its surface. Thus Russia has been able to mobilize more resources.
In this regard, the United States had two tactical options.
The first seemed to have great potential and was employed by it from the early days of the Ukrainian crisis.
It was an attempt to force Russia to choose between a bad situation and an even worse one. Russia would be compelled to accept a Nazi state on its borders and therefore a dramatic loss of international authority and of the trust and support of its allies, and after a short time would become vulnerable to internal and external pro-U.S. forces, with no chance of survival. Or else it could send its army into the Ukraine, sweep out the junta before it got organized, and restore the legitimate government of Yanukovych. That, however, would have brought an accusation of aggression against an independent state and of suppression of the people’s revolution. Such a situation would have resulted in a high degree of disapproval on the part of Ukrainians and the need to constantly expend significant military, political, economic, and diplomatic resources to maintain a puppet regime in Kiev, because no other government would have been possible under such conditions.
Russia avoided that dilemma. There was no direct invasion. It is Donbass that is fighting Kiev. It is the Americans who have to devote scarce resources to the doomed puppet regime in Kiev, while Russia can remain on the sidelines making peace proposals.
So now the United States is employing the second option. It’s as old as the hills. That which cannot be held, and will be taken by the enemy, must be damaged as much as possible so that the enemy’s victory is more costly than defeat, as all its resources are used to reconstruct the destroyed territory. The United States has therefore ceased to assist the Ukraine with anything more than political rhetoric while encouraging Kiev to spread civil war throughout the country.
The Ukrainian land must burn, not only in Donetsk and Lugansk but also in Kiev and Lvov. The task is simple: to destroy the social infrastructure as much as possible and to leave the population at the very edge of survival. Then the population of the Ukraine will consist of millions of starving, desperate and heavily armed people who will kill one another for food. The only way to stop this bloodbath would be massive international military intervention in the Ukraine (the militia on its own will not be sufficient) and massive injections of funds to feed the population and to reconstruct the economy until the Ukraine can begin to feed itself.
It is clear that all these costs would fall on Russia. Putin correctly believes that not only the budget, but also public resources in general, including the military, would in this case be overstretched and possibly insufficient. Therefore, the objective is not to allow the Ukraine to explode before the militia can bring the situation under control. It is crucial to minimize casualties and destruction and to salvage as much of the economy as possible and the infrastructure of the large cities so that the population somehow survives and then the Ukrainians themselves will take care of the Nazi thugs.
At this point an ally appears for Putin in the form of the EU. Because the United States always tried to use European resources in its struggle with Russia, the EU, which was already weakened, reaches the point of exhaustion and has to deal with its own long-festering problems.
If Europe now has on its eastern border a completely destroyed Ukraine, from which millions of armed people will flee not only to Russia but also to the EU, taking with them delightful pastimes such as drug trafficking, gunrunning, and terrorism, the EU will not survive. The people’s republics of Novorossiya will serve as a buffer for Russia, however.
Europe cannot confront the United States, but it is deathly afraid of a destroyed Ukraine. Therefore, for the first time in the conflict, Hollande and Merkel are not just trying to sabotage the U.S. demands (by imposing sanctions but not going too far), but they are also undertaking limited independent action with the aim of achieving a compromise – maybe not peace but at least a truce in the Ukraine.
If the Ukraine catches fire, it will burn quickly, and if the EU has become an unreliable partner that is ready if not to move into Russia’s camp then at least to take a neutral position, Washington, faithful to its strategy, would be obliged to set fire to Europe.
It is clear that a series of civil and interstate wars on a continent packed with all sorts of weapons, where more than half a billion people live, is far worse than a civil war in the Ukraine. The Atlantic separates the United States from Europe. Even Britain could hope to sit it out across the Channel. But Russia and the EU share a very long [sic] border.
It is not at all in Russia’s interests to have a conflagration stretching from the Atlantic to the Carpathian Mountains when the territory from the Carpathians to the Dnieper is still smoldering. Therefore, Putin’s other objective is, to the extent possible, to prevent the most negative effects of a conflagration in the Ukraine and a conflagration in Europe. Because it is impossible to completely prevent such an outcome (if the United States wants to ignite the fire, it will), it is necessary to be able to extinguish it quickly to save what is most valuable.
Thus, to protect Russia’s legitimate interests, Putin considers peace to be of vital importance, because it is peace that will make it possible to achieve this goal with maximum effect at minimum cost. But because peace is no longer possible, and the truces are becoming more theoretical and fragile, Putin needs the war to end as quickly as possible.
But I do want to stress that if a compromise could have been reached a year ago on the most favorable terms for the West (Russia would have still obtained its goals, but later – a minor concession), it is no longer possible, and the conditions are progressively worsening. Ostensibly, the situation remains the same; peace on almost any conditions is still beneficial for Russia. Only one thing has changed, but it is of the utmost importance: public opinion. Russian society longs for victory and retribution. As I pointed out above, Russian power is authoritative, rather than authoritarian; therefore, public opinion matters in Russia, in contrast to the “traditional democracies.”
Putin can maintain his role as the linchpin of the system only as long as he has the support of the majority of the population. If he loses this support, because no figures of his stature have emerged from Russia’s political elite, the system will lose its stability. But power can maintain its authority only as long as it successfully embodies the wishes of the masses. Thus the defeat of Nazism in the Ukraine, even if it is diplomatic, must be clear and indisputable – only under such conditions is a Russian compromise possible.
Thus, regardless of Putin’s wishes and Russia’s interests, given the overall balance of power, as well as the protagonists’ priorities and capabilities, a war that should have ended last year within the borders of the Ukraine will almost certainly spill over into Europe. One can only guess who will be more effective – the Americans with their gas can or the Russians with their fire extinguisher? But one thing is absolutely clear: the peace initiatives of the Russian leaders will be limited not by their wishes but their actual capabilities. It is futile to fight either the wishes of the people or the course of history; but when they coincide, the only thing a wise politician can do is to understand the wishes of the people and the direction of the historical process and try to support it at all costs.
The circumstances described above make it extremely unlikely that the proponents of an independent state of Novorossiya will see their wishes fulfilled. Given the scale of the coming conflagration, determining the fate of the Ukraine as a whole is not excessively complicated but, at the same time, it will not come cheap.
It is only logical that the Russian people should ask: if Russians, whom we rescued from the Nazis, live in Novorossiya, why do they have to live in a separate state? If they want to live in a separate state, why should Russia rebuild their cities and factories? To these questions there is only one reasonable answer: Novorossiya should become part of Russia (especially since it has enough fighters, although the governing class is problematic). Well, if part of the Ukraine can join Russia, why not all of it? Especially as in all likelihood by the time this question is on the agenda, the European Union will no longer be an alternative to the Eurasian Union [for the Ukraine].
Consequently, the decision to rejoin Russia will be made by a united federated Ukraine and not by some entity without a clear status. I think that it is premature to redraw the political map. Most likely the conflict in the Ukraine will be concluded by the end of the year. But if the United States manages to extend the conflict to the EU (and it will try), the final resolution of territorial issues will take at least a couple of years and maybe more.
In any situation we benefit from peace. In conditions of peace, as Russia’s resource base grows, as new allies (former partners of the United States) go over to its side, and as Washington becomes progressively marginalized, territorial restructuring will become far simpler and temporarily less significant, especially for those being restructured.
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https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/sequence-12/#comment-8673
Sequence 12
MAY 2, 2015
What does Putin want? To be left alone. Russia does not need the USSA. But the USSA needs to steal Russia's resources to continue the Fed Reserve Ponzi Scheme for a little bit longer. War is the only way the USSA can stave off the inevitable economic collapse of a warfare/welfare state that produces nothing except violence and useless consumers.
Do you really believe that Vlad, one of the worlds richest men, isn't "in on it"? That the leader of a Top Five country isn't in the club?
Well that is the $64,000 question. Is Putin and the Chinese communist government part of the scheme or have they now broken ranks?
What exactly would Putin and the Chinese get out of keeping a deal with Rothschild/Rockefeller when the $ has collapsed and $ hegemony has ended?
Putin wants a better tomorrow for the Russian people.
Unlike Obama, who hates America, Putin loves Russia.This makes Americans jealous, and secretly feel shame for having a loser president of such poor quality as Obama. Would you allow Obama to personally manage your money, much less leave him alone with your 5 year old boy?
Meanwhile, Putin has 80%+ support, because the average russian feels that despite his faults, Putin loves his country. Love him or hate him, Putin stands for Russia, while Obama instead of standing for the US, stands only for Reggies banana.
Putin has said he will defend Russia fron the UN and UKraine is too close.
What would happen if missles were moved to Canada, Mexico or Cuba.
Oh yea, been there.
LL
As has been outlined in informed commentary elsewhere they now move through the Baltics on the northern path, not that this was not well foreseen in Kremlin.
Lithuania
http://www.baltictimes.com/lithuanian_pm_supports_idea_of_referendum_on_...
Latvia > Silly friends are looking for more trouble than mere 2million people can deal with.
http://www.baltictimes.com/latvian_fm_state_secretary__five_properties_s...
As it becomes more obvious that Ukraine as a whole is failed and further attempts at regaining lost ground is hopless the New Bolsheviks will attempt control elsewhere. The 2 > English < links above are just the public face of what is happening behind closed doors.
Yes, Putin is ex- KGB. Or perhaps that means nothing to you?
George HW Bush is ex CIA. And? So the fuck what? Bush is way scarier then Putin.
How? What do you KNOW about either?
It's Kabuki.
Some say Putin has been replaced by a double. Kind of like th ewhole Paul/Faul debate.
The real real real reality would probably blow half the mind's on this baord on contact.
Ka bu ki!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4NGb8HJbk
this is fairly mind-blowing and, much of it, believable:
http://smile.amazon.com/JFK-9-11-Years-Deep-State/dp/1615776311/ref=sr_1...
Queen to H4
It's the pawn to b5 on the next move that really shows you've got the sack. ;)
Putin wants a seat at the big table of One World Govt as he and the West are working hard to bring it in
Western Business Likes Russian Oligarchs So Much……It Let Them Buy The Company
ExxonMobil Boosts Drilling Rights in Russia Giving It More Holdings There Than in U.S.
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Putin – ‘We Will Strive To Ensure A New World Order’
Russia Like The U.S. Wants U.N. to Manage Internet Infrastructure
No surprise really. Read the article again. It says Putin wants peace under almost any conditions because each day that goes by under peace, his enemies get weaker and he gets stronger. The angloZino side will not accept peace without global dominance, so they provoke war to get their version of the NWO. Putin wants a peaceful, multipolar world. If you want to label that NWO, fine, just realize it is not the same NWO the Zinos want. They are very different. I like Putin's version.
If spock was alive, we could counter that dizzy.
Let's hope he can time travel.
I expect the unexpected, moves beyond the chess board this article describes.
3D Chess includes where they can't hear you scream.
He wanted a federalized neutral Ukaine, no NATO presense in Ukraine and open trade within Europe, Russia and China. That is so totally extreme and aggressive, it is an afront to Western Civilization (TM).
Bhai, it's not kabuki. The Communist Revolution (the real one), was hijacked before in Russia. By Stalin. That's why THEY killed Stalin in 1953. This particular strain of "communism", the national communism, did not fit well with the Warburgs and Kohns who financed Trotski and Lenin. Communism was not meant to be NATIONAL but GLOBAL, therefore Stalin and other nationalist dictators like Ceausescu, Enver Hoxha had to go. I'm certainly no fan of Stalin, Putin or Ceausescu, but these men no longer played ball with the REAL revolutionaries and paid the price. IMO this is the only version of recent history that makes any sense. If you have some time, please research these links.
Cheers,
http://mailstar.net/stalin.html
http://mailstar.net/red-symphony.html
Welder Bhai, thanks for the links and I see the point you are trying to make.
Given that Lenin, Hoxha and Chowchesscoup (phonetic spelling) were also all made men, it become impossible to knwo the true narrative. There are wheels with-in wheels and stories not running 10's or 100's but thousands of years.
Or how about the 800 pounder, Hitler and the rat lines escapes to Argentina and his mysterious birth to rothschield chambermainds...
My instinct says that the level of sheer maya is so high that if the truth was to flash before our eyes for a few, we'd all blow a circuit.
A lot of this stuff I've covered on my blog over the years, check it out sometime...
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Cheers...
For once, try and think objectively instead of spewing your usual tribal monkey lore.
A thousand or so neurons in your limbic system are making the rest of your brain look stupid. Or are they just representative of your brain?
Putin was a desk-jockey, a bureaucrat. That's totally scary, man.
It is irrelevant. What is important is that, for the first time in centuries, the thalassocrats are really f...cked ! Good Luck with your new life, bitches !
Bush is just a stupid tool, Putin not so much
Haha he is fucking dead, nothing more than a beating corps. Old fucking Magog and his mates are watching Babylon burn, a couple of thousand years of murder, theft, corruption, deception and slavery is being destroyed within a couple of decades.
All this because there own system slit their throats by racing to the bottom and trying to squeeze every fucking inch possible out of the bottom line, in turn selling their own economies, housing markets, small to medium business and citizens down the drain loosing all manufacturing ability stagnating market and wage growth causing corporate cannibalism at the top just to survive.
China and Russia are now much much more capable than the US, you cannot lie to your people, send them to war, lose the war and then turn around and ask them to fight against another enemy 1000x stronger.
Its never worked, it wont work now and the collapse is inevitable the second the lies stop.
Russia could just Nuke Yellowstone and the game is over, who the fuck does DC think they are dealing with at the point in time, fairies?
u.s. foreign policy since the end of ww2 has been increasingly divorced from reality and unsuccessful. aid and trade works. raid and slayed not so much.
As long as "aid and trade" doesn't mean "indebt to IMF and buy shit only the corporations taking over your nationalized resources need".
Unsuccessful in the traditional sense Jeff, but very successful in the chaos to order sense, Brandon might be right.
Regardless, we have to look out for our best interest despite the unfolding "drama" presented.
Drama-D(h)arma - Like that one ORI?
Only the 'exceptionally' stupid assume that one person can ever be 'ex' after being so long part of such and organization, particularly something that changed name letters only. Russian Intelligence gathering continues regardless of the name or names applied to those resources by outsiders.
It means that he was smart enough to climb to the top of one of the most dangerous organizations in the world. What you must understand is that there is a very powerful group of anti-Americans, the acolytes of the likes of Bill Ayres, George Soros and others who are pushing the collapse of the United States. They dream of a Russian Revolution taking place in the United States that will utterly destroy what is left of the old republic in an effort to build their fantasy Marxist state. A fractured federation with starving desperate millions is their wet dream. We must be utterly destroyed before we can be rebuilt into their Marxist ideal.
Exactly. In many ways, this is a replay of Russia 1917.
Cloud, IMO you are right, but I think you meant a Bolshevik Revolution in the USA. The Bolshevik Revolution was NOT Russian. The Russians lost their Czar (good or bad as he may have been), the aristocracy was liquidated, the inteligentsia, the middle class was destituted. The new "elite" was ruling Soviet Russia up to the time of Stalin's purges. When he veered off course they managed to kill him. However, they didn't manage to regain full control of the Soviet. The REAL Revolution had to continue so they're having another go at it now. Actualy, the REVOLUTION has been going on before our eyes. It became quite visible in the 60s.
VV Putin was administrative...not whatever your worst illusion want him to have been
He is Lawyer by education and makes great importance on international law.
You know nothing about this subject..
better worry about your own country
You're right. Leaders (Putin) love their country and people. Rulers (Obama, Clintons, et. al.) love themselves. All each of us needs to ask ourselves is which would we prefer.
i trust the et. al. includes the numbered bush family members as they have at least as much to do with the "sitchiation".
The oligarchs are greener on that side of the fence, huh?
Pooty Poot loves Pooty Poot, if Russia happens to prosper, he can live with that.
I think you forgot to include bush & shrub.
LOL, LL. The thing ain't called the fudgepacker for nothing...
Bullshit. Putin stands for himself as evidenced by his undisclosed billions in swiss banks that directly results from his oligarchic rein. The martyrizing of this guy on this site is just over the top.
proof?
media dumb you down much?
VV Putin was never about money
Decide for yourself:
http://www.newsweek.com/why-putin-isnt-forbes-billionaires-list-310818
Logical to me that having huge pieces of Gazprom gotta be worth at least a couple billion.
Newsweek? Fucking Newsweek is your source?
Citing them identifies you as a fucking moron.
Face it, VD. You and everyone else on this site who masturbates to your Putin shrines would disregard ANY source that cast him in a negative light. If you think that Putty isn't cashing in like every other oligarchic pol on this planet, you need a massive injection of stem cells into you cerebrum, STAT!
There you go with your sexual perversion again. Why is this the line teamZino members like you always fall back on? Something in the upbringing or the dna?
As far as NewsWeek goes, face it - NewsWeek is a an acknowledged joke. Something like the Mad Magazine of neocon propaganda porn.
Is Putin and the Chinese communist government part of the scheme or have they now broken ranks?
The Chinese recently gave all workers a generous raise. Apparently, the Politburo now believes they've accumulated enough capital (through stupid US off-shoring) that they can start sharing the wealth with the Chinese people, who will now start driving the requisite demand. They also have the industrial capacity to create the consumer goods the energy producing countries want. China will now thumb its nose at the US.
If the Catholic Church couldn't hold together, despite thousands of pages of relgious screed, ceremony, huge churches and a willing congregation - not to mention GOD ALMIGHTY lauding over anyone who 'sinned' - it's impossible to believe in some kind of global conspiracy... (not unless you take the Jupiter Ascending idea that we're just farm animals for some alien race - could be true)....
Certainly there seem to be many badly designed invasions from within that span the globe from Africa, Latin America and Asia... invented to install puppet heads of state to allow larger powers to come in and fleece resources... certainly communism seems to be some lie installed by bankers and power brokers to control Russian resources - which went badly wrong... Hitler seems to have been put in to counter what turned intoa real communist threat... where communism was meant to be a meaningless antedote to get rid of Peter....
the on going attempt to gain control of Russian resources continues to this day, but I don't see any conspiracy....
The USA has slowly swung from being a free country, into socialism and is now falling into cronyism and essentially fascism... when fascism runs out of money then you have communism.... This is what is going on and of course, they would like to rule the world, but Bush + Obama have blown all respect for America... so the larger powers, Russia, China, Brazil and even small countries like Pakistan and Mexico, only have to sit back and wait for them to collapse into a mess of their own making...
The USA has fallen into the hole left by the USSR... it's very ironic... it could have become a real force for change and good, but instead it's the last of 2 super powers from a bygone age, behaving in exactly the way we always feared the USSR would...
There are two clubs. East and West. He is the East's captain.
Not sure if a ns, duh or ya think reply would be best.
Whichever, thanks for assisting the less observant among us.
@Team
I really believe that.
Do you really think there's 1 "team" at the top, all working together?
What if the Red Shield Bank has turned on the US, and the Neo Cons, being aware of it, would rather see the whole world burn than see them lose their "exceptional" status?
What if the "good" guys are the neocons after all?
the neocons are red shield.
jeezus.
Are they though? Are the Bushes part of the banking fraternity or did they just sell their souls to them? Like the rest of the industrialists I think you'll find it's the latter.
And what if the USAmerican industrialists have come to the conclusion that their masters are about to hang them out to dry, like they did the Nazis? What happens when the patsy realises that hes a patsy?
What happens? They get out while the getting is good.
TeamD look into the fate of the Zionist oligarchs that selected Putin to replace Yeltsin, jailed, exiled or dead. Study Boris Behrezovsky. These guys were made men in the RedSheild mafia. Look into it. There have been casualties at the top of the pyramid, which could only happen if the confrontation is real.
While I believe the above analysis to be on the right track and makes a number of good points (it's well worth reading), but it is deficient in the most important key areas:-
Sure there is a global confrontation between the US Neocons and Russia/China and in the grand scheme of things, what happens to Donbass doesn't matter a jot. The author neglects to mention that the Chinese communist government is also facing an existential threat from the US. China has partnered with Russia (and the other BRICS) to avoid this. If Putin were to fall and Russia again became a puppet of the US, the Chinese are next on the list for the Neocons.
Although it may be difficult to envisage currently, the US government may at some point in time, not be a Neocon one. It may be a government that seeks to co-operate with other countries instead of trying to completely destroy any country that does not toe the US Neocon line. The replacement of the current US government with a more moderate one should be Russia's and China's long term aims.
The other major factor in play, is that the Neocons are getting desperate because for them time is running short and they are in a rush to resolve the situation in their favor (global full spectrum dominance) while they think there is still a possibility of them doing so (there isn't). Both America's strategic power as a percentage of global GDP and America's financial position are rapidly deteriorating.
If the Neocons are not in a rush, why did the US not wait another year or so and take over Ukraine by less obvious means, at the next Ukraine election, instead of engineering the completely obvious coup in February 2014?
Russia and China merely have to wait it out, while continuing to build their economic coalition among most of the countries of the world and while competing with the US for influence and trading relationships among the countries of the EU.
Before too much longer the US is going to lose the US Dollar as Global Reserve currency. When this happens it will bring economic carnage to the US (and much of the world). Out of the ashes of this economic collapse will come a new set of global relationships and economic order. The most likely current outcome is a world centered on China and SE Asia as the new economic power house.
A truly multi polar world with a large number of independent countries co-operating on trade and economic development, together with the replacement of the current Neocon warmongering US government is the most beneficial outcome for over 99% of Americans, Europeans and just about everyone else in the world. This world will require the total dismemberment and replacement of the current global financial and monetary system, which is currently owned and controlled by a private banking cartel.
The threat to the world is that the Neocons will be desperate enough to try and maintain the existing order that they will start WW3 (including going so far as starting a nuclear war) in order to try and preserve it. The countries in Europe will be vital in order to stop this from happening.
N.B. There have already been some minor words of warning from those that pull the strings of the Neocons, that the current US government is going too far and should pull back from it's current headlong dash into conflict with Russia - e.g. Kissinger.
China's medium term plans are to replace the US Dollar as Reserve Currency by forming a coalition with the BRICS
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/12/chinas-medium-term-plans-are-to-replace.html
Detailed list of China & Russia's over 100 actions (so far) to end the Petrodollar system and cause economic carnage in the US to end American Hegemony
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2012/02/the-greatest-threat-to-us-national.html
Why the US Declared War on Russia
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2015/03/why-us-declared-war-on-russia.html
Diplomatic disaster: U.S. humiliated by allies’ rush to join China’s new AAIB bank
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2015/03/rebellion-against-empire-in-europe.html
Geopolitics and the future over the next 20 to 50 years - The US, EU, China and Russia
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/03/geopolitics-and-future-over-next-20-to.html
Brzezinski's fingerprints are all over recent events with the US training Nazis in Ukraine and the Iran Nuclear Deal
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2015/04/brzezinski-is-clearly-still-pulling.html
It would appear that Russia and China believe that the current conflict will reach some kind of hiatus around 2019 as that is when a lot of their currently planned major infrastructure projects are due to complete by:-
China & Russia's actions to combat the future US economic blockade that China and Russia are both expecting.
http://ian56.blogspot.com/2014/12/chinas-actions-to-combat-future-us.html
No sorry. The USSA will always be NeoCon, AIPAC and PNAC. the USSA is totally corrupt.
Keep living in a dream world that Goldman Sachs Ted Cruz is the next Reagan. The Jonathan Pollard conservatives over at Free Republic have that dream plus Bibi is their new messiah.
Huh? Ted Cruz is a Goldman Sachs, CFR, Neocon puppet.
I'm talking about 20 years plus.
The USSA is a feral shithole and will only be worse in 20 years. Keep watching TV and Hollywood's shit like a serf. I bet 70% of the posters still watch TV and feed the beast each day like sheep.
'Master of the house, doling out the charm
Ready with a handshake and an open palm
Tells a saucy tale, makes a little stir
Customers appreciate a bon-viveur
Glad to do a friend a favor
Doesn't cost me to be nice
But nothing gets you nothing
Everything has got a little price!'
more cowbell
@ Usurious. Credit goes to Herbert Kretzmer, please.
Minor point regarding Brzezinski, He is not traditional AIPAC Neocon and in fact is very critical of Israeli expansionist policies in Middle East. On other hand Brzezinski is staunch anti-Russian Neocon regarding Ukraine with hopes of making Poland the center of Eastern Europe which was documented in his recent book. This view makes Brzezinski an utter fool. His father was a Royal Polish diplomat who fled from Poland to Canada prior to WWII which explains his tainted point of view.
nearly immediately and certainly
ultimately, neither putin
or anyone else makes a any difference.
it is all in the realm of the ridiculous
blah, blah, blah .........
to great complexity indomitable.
Absolutely spot on bm....
Another reason not mentioned in article, why Putin wants peace in Ukraine is because he wants to sell natural gas to Europe. Having lost a secure pipeline through Ukraine has forced consideration of more expensive routes. Point is economic considerations play an important role in world politics wheras article places more emphasis on military capability and political leadership.
The USSA's plan since the end of WW2 has been the containment and weakening of Russia. The play in Ukraine by the USSA is directly, and I mean DIRECTLY related to Russian gas pipelines that transit Ukraine en route to Europe. Something like 80% of the gas pipelines from Russian gas reserves go through Ukraine.
So the Russian's try and find an alternate rpipeline route a la the South Stream, but the EU pressured Bulgaria and that was that. So the Russian's are now proceeding with the Turk stream, which Turkey and Greece will be transit countries, as will Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, and eventually terminating in Baumgartner, Austria; then to be distributed to the rest of Europe. The USSA are doing whatever they possibly can to block Russia's gas revenue stream in Europe.
You can almost guarantee the next areas that will "flare up" like a raging pack of hemmerhoids courtesy of the USSA will be these aforementioned countries, again, in an attempt to block Russia's gas distribution aspirations in Europe.
Latina, Indeed, the problem for Putin is the USA refuses to leave his nation alone to develop naturally. The USSR was a giant army backed up by a third world rotten economy. Russia is capitalist, maybe more so that the USA. Potential for Russia is almost unlimited, as development of their vast lands has only begun. Lisen to Clinton era State Department Officials in the 90's, talking about Russia having no right to such resources, "no one nation should be gifted with such land and resources." That was code for a Nazi style drive to the east by NATO, seeking to make Europe and the USA ultra rich by a corporate rape of Russia, from Moscow to Vladivostok.
Well said, JB. The West has always been at war against Russia. The collective wet dream of the Neocons/NeoLiberals is to break up Russia into powerless regions constantly at war with each other while the Transnational Corp. steal everything.
The article & post above are both fabulous dissertations, to say the least...
Amatuerish handicapping...at best. How many times did the author deem it necessary to state that Russia/Putin "Benefit from Peace" or employ the 1950's canard that the US will "destruct from within"?
True, Putin is gliding along on a temporary jingoistic swell, but that is short lived. And also true that the US has a dipshit president that is clearly controlled by the vested interests (1%), but what the author here does not consider is the ability and capacity for swift change here, not available in Russia or China.
The key for the US is to reign in (or abolish) the FED and set a new (better) standard and be willing to pay the price. It is possible (not terribly plausible) here, but yet still may and can happen. Not so over there. It'll take a groundswell that demands that change and I'm not smart enough to know or describe its shape or form, only smart enough to know that the conditions precendent are viable.
"Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighbouring states; we are rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration favours the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of his condition."
This was not uttered 250 years ago in Phildelphia. But rather 2,500 years ago by Pericles. We have to set in reverse the tide of 1913 to present, if we are to continue to be the "pattern". Otherwise another will take its place and has already gained much ground in doing so.
Interesting but wishful thinking. Those in 'control' are incapable of reform. Reform will only come when they are swept away.
Don't hold ur breath....
.
So I must disappoint you: you believe in fairy tales.
Putin's "problem" is that Russia's debt/GDP ration is not where the Western bankerz thinck it should be. They won't leave him alone until it is.
We talkin' Putin, or body-double Putin?
If you have to ask this question, you will never understand the answer. Go back to Yahoo.
Wow, there really ARE Putin lovers on ZH. Huh.
Whatever. Even if I loved Putin, how does that change the fact that most of Europe and the rest of the world couldn't give 2 shits if Putin has a double. Ask an intelligent question or tell us something interesting, instead of robotically repeating dumbass USSA state department talking/gossip points.
Hopefully, you find this interesting. The Russians are practicing bombing runs over UK, US, wherever they want. There are tens of thousands of Russian troops/insurgents here RIGHT NOW in Tennessee, Montana.... One little girl (out of the mouths of babes) said, "Daddy is here to kill Americans". If the one who kicks your door in speaks Russian, will you welcome him with open arms?
I do not downvote you because it is clear you are ignorant or a paid troll but the US does not need Russia as an enemy to deconstruct itself.
You have the enemy within. That is Wall Street, the police force and the stupidity fed to the people by the MSM.
Huh? WTF?
I see that you have some sock-puppets.
If he puts a bullet into Victoria Nuland, I'll even serve him dinner.
"Couldn't give two shits if he is a fake, fraud, liar, egomaniac, because he rides around shirtless on a giant Fukushima honey badger."
So we have now degenerated into anarchism and moral relativism. Excellent! Now we will see who's who and what's what.
there are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral-judgment of phenomena.
judgment is relative, |: so is morality-as-such.
two inane posts in row..
congratulations
there are several in real
is it important subject for trolls desperate for topic? seems so..
This is not a good place for Zionists to hang out and snipe at Putin.
you kidding, they love it here.
it's such a break from the entire rest of the world they hang out.
be nice to concert, or at least soften some of the more ardent ziopaths, but the over-the-top meatheads will always preclude being taken seriously as referencing *behavior* and not dna.
sigh.
You should stick to Hello magazine.
Off topic, I loved that movie "Body Double." 1984
That chick dancing in front of the window was HOT.
Sexy dance Scene from Body Double
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxNBvPP1kgI
Full Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLvhrZZGbM
To be left alone.
Sovereignty. Respect. Independence. Financial and political autonomy come to mind.
Why...does this somehow conflict with the current theatre of the NWO?
To be left alone . . .
Other countries should ignore and allow invasions of Georgia and Ukraine. Puutie has those totalitarian acquisiition needs that Russia would like everyone else to ignore. Puutie's Paid Puppies all agree that he deserves to rule and pillage his neighbors. focusing on developing the internal economy of the country he rules now is not a requirement.
Quoting the Augbrainless:
"Other countries should ignore and allow invasions of Georgia and Ukraine."
Exactly. As if other countries, and the average American CARE about your shitty USSA Puppet Ukraine...you are on your own once the USSA decides they have squeezed the Ukraine dry.
Go Pick up a rifle, travel to NovoRossiya and tell them to get out of Donbass. Send us a trip report, tell us how the cowardly russians ran once they saw your ugly face, LOL>
Latina Liver,
That is your standard responese. Anyone who has objections to totalitarian rulers invading and conquering a neighbor should either accept it or actually go to the fight themselves. Of course your support for those rulers comes from the direct payments Puutie sends to allow you to keep up the mobile home. No arms for you, are there? The shitty puppet in the Ukraine is now living in Ruskie land. After promising in campaign to join eurozone, the bastard accepted payments from Puutie to renig on that and revert to the failed russian system. He was run out of town.
Give the Kiev government full support for their military to send those invaders home in the boes. When enough have been killed in the invasion the news will be big enough that Puutie cannot supress the number of deaths.
Try to be truthful. How much do you get for posting your horseshit on the interent? Are you expected to troll full time for the money? How much did you get from Saddam before his end?
Another interesting report of the anti-US trolls / hackers at work covering the Baltimore situation. Great number of social media posts coverng it are comming from non-US sources. Latina Liver, your little buddies are running a good scam.
'Hacktivists' from around the world take to social media to stir Baltimore unrest
http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83444496/
Opinion low-level State Department subservient we all know so well.
But you are clearly best beloved friend Psaki.
useless talkings
Augustus, why don't you try to consider the other perspective. Think not in terms of who's good and who's bad, but how each side has been bad, and how one has been more*reactive* than active.
If you would: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/27/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-...
Superb article.
What analysts tend to forget is that war has changed, it used to be to capture foreign treasure, land, water, people, factories, gold, etc. Now the war-making itself IS the treasure: continuous new ways to extract taxpayer dollars for the Military-Surveillance-Industrial Complex. Gotta gin up a constant fresh supply of new enemies.
Wait a minute, Counterpunch has opened a handle on ZH and is going to link share?
Very interesting, is it the editor in chief?
Ehhhh?
Some strange bedfellows in the cause.
That Counterpunch article was written by a very good man,
the Australian/British Journalist John Pilger
bored
go Putin!
"I'm the bad guy?"
"Yeah."
". . . how the hell did that happen?"
-Falling Down
Prediction, Ukraine will join with Russia and all the Bandarists will be rushing into Poland and Germany where they will cause chaos there.
It's called blowback, and it is exactly what Poland and Germany deserve for helping the USSA to overthrow the legitimate government of Ukraine and replace them with murderous clowns/puppets. Imagine Krakow and Berlin torched by the hungry and displaced neo-neo Ukie nazis, who rightfully hate the EU for destroying their country and breaking their promises of a better future, complete with unlimited visas, unicorns and rainbows.
This would be hilarious if all the Bander-ASS-t, ZWO Nazis and Zio stooges would flee the Ukriane and start causing problems in Germany, Poland, Latvia and other NWO-ZWO stooge countries.
Most of those na-zio Azov Batallion cowards are too chickenshit to go to the front and fight men like Givi and Motorola. They stay in the back lines terrorizing poor Ukie civilians while pushing Ukie conscripts to the front lines to be cannon fodder. F**king Azov cowards.
Even the Swedes, Finns and Danes have gone full zio-tard. My guess is Sweden went down that slipperly slope after the NWO murdered their prime minister years ago.
There is a separatist movement in Galicia in the extreme west of Ukraine. They feel hard done by, as they feel they have done all the hard work trying to eliminate Teh Evil Rooskies' (aka Russian-speaking Ukrainians who lived happily until the regime tried to ban use of Russian language and let the nazis loose on them).
He wants what we ALL want.
A world without ZioCons.
More than 80% of the food eaten in Russia is locally grown, much of it in home gardens
Also from Saker: The boys of Novo Russia including Motorola's Sparta Batallion are getting prepared in case the scum dual shit-i-Zens in Kiev like Yats and Porky want to start a Spring and Summer offensive:
http://thesaker.is/this-is-sparta-man/
Hopefully - DPR and LPR (NovoRussia) have another cauldron for the Ukies, Azov and the Blackwater/Xe/Academie boys including Erik Prince.
Nice video of the NovoRussians using older equipment including 1930s hardware and winning with it.
Wars and land are held by ground troops. Maybe the EU and send their rapid reaction force.
Donetsk and other nearby last hours shelling..
Heavy weapons that supposed to be withdraw, but were not, everyone knows
and hided...and observers manage do nothing
Serious..Lavrov made complain in middle of night
Naked models.
More of the false dichotomy realpolitik. This sort of anal sys is increasingly out of touch.
No reason to choose which bully you want in your heart. It's all a waste of time. The only interesting question is if the State will live, or if it will die.
Excellent Poaster....not sure why you got down arrowed so heavily.
You are absolutely correct...
I get where Poastie is coming from, but the Dialectic does not necessarily apply to this situation. To me, Putin represents a resurgent nationalist russia, recovering from the capitalist rapings of the 1990s. The russian elitists understand that they will be eventually destroyed by the West, that there is no co operation possible with psychopathic banksters.
Putin wants what the Russian people want; respect for the only Christian nation of Western Civilization to be so: ignored, abandoned, abused, forgotten, dismissed, and persecuted - unlike any other in Christendom. At least I hope so.
Orthodox Christians know the drill. 25 million of them were murdered in Russia by dual shit-i-zen types like Nudelman, Soros, Yats, Porky, Zuckerberg, et al.
Hopefully Orthodex Christians will not roll over for PC, the gay mafia and the rest.
I did not believe that Bolshevism was really a Zionist organization.
Then I went looking. The reader should go looking as well.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Zion: Infiltrates, dissects, and desolates.
Kchrisc, look for "The Checkist". Its on youtube.
"Zion: Infiltrates, dissects, and desolates."
But only because they are innocent victims of anti-semitism that is part of the genetic makeup of the goyim.
eloquent as usual Ebbie. :-D
"Western Civilization" - Since when you russkies are part of the western culture? The alkohol must have destroyed all your brain cells already.
Your are fucking EASTERN something, because it cannot be called civilization. Have another drink, it will make you happy. Long live Puuty and his cheap vodka.
Fuck off back under the junta, there will teach in the ass Bandera to love.
you know nothing about these subjects
get lost goat
Rodnik Samara Brewery
The extreme irony of Russia painting itself as some kind of "Christian" nation after decades of Communist-led eradication of religion is just too rich. That paired with the insane levels of alcohol & drug abuse along with prostitution (HIV rates) is simply unfathomable. If you want to find one of the few remaining Christian nations you have to look west to Poland.
Grandpa, go take a turnip plant and attendants in lingerie admire.
He wants a Philly Steak and Cheese, a side of onion rings, an iced tea and twenty minutes in the break room with the Hooters girl that took his order.........
Sign me up
During the terrible retreat of 1812 and the annhilation of his entire army the Gold Napoleon had found in Moscow was stolen by Cossacks or fell through the ice into the rivers. On his return Bonaparte rushed to his mother's chateau where all the other European Gold was kept in order to finance another army. He was only trying to create a centralised European bank.
Don't be preposterous! The "outcome of the war" is being "decided" in innocuous, sleepy, little old Bern. Switzerland. The BEAR indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2C8Eq11UjA
What is the absolute worst case scenario for Putins Russian ? to be controlled by Zionist Jews who control just about everything that matters in the western world. These people just don't ever go away with all their subliminal subterfuge, unless your Vlad Putin, he don't pussy foot around. Vlad tells them, you get out now or your going to be jailed in the morning, end of story.
TeamDepends - read Lazane's post above. Watch "The Chekist" depicting Red Terror. Russians did that already. They don't want to experience it again.
"What Does Putin Want?"
To invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Fly drones over most of the Middle East, northern Africa, and central Asia killing people. Shoot down airliners. Stage false-flags all over the world. Plunder the world with a toilet paper currency. Lie, cheat, and steal from all comers. Invade the Ukraine behind the smile and cookies of a Zionist hustler. Take over the Bundy Ranch. Enslave the American people. Kill the American people.Overthrow the governments of Libya, Egypt--twice--Yemen, the Ukraine, etc.
Oops, wrong government. My bad.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
I meant to say, be left alone.
.
...also known as "truth, justice, and the American way".
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9827/180230117.3/0_facb5_3a16412e_XXXL.jpg
Putin and the rest of the world want USA to Fuck off!
World is tired of the chosen ones and the other chosen ones.
I think he wants a strong, ultra modern Russia that isn't threatened by long-standing militarist plans to break up the middle east [Oded Yinon Plan, Likud Zionism and Jewish Fundamentalism {Greater Israel}] and, as part of that, or as a primary goal, break up Russia [Grand Chessboard / globalist / central banking].
I think that he is not at all perfect, but I think he has been the leader Russia has needed in this time and under the circumstances.
Consider that the Bolshevik Revolution was not "Russian" in origin.
Consider that the rape of Russia under yeltsin and, frankly, a cabal of Jewish economists, bankers, and oligarchs, acting largely as an ostensible transnational [Russia, London, US] Jewish network - and that's neither false nor an indictment of an entire ethnoreligious group. It is simply what happened.
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml
Russia did not "invade" Georgia but responded to aggression, quite possibly urged on by the West precisely to villify Russia in the controlled corporate media - did the Georgians, whose defense minister, curiously enough, was a dual citizen Jew/Israeli, really think they could murder a dozen or so Russian peacekeepers and Ivan would not react? They were there as peacekeepers by treaty and UN sanction.
And by the way, the South Ossetians really did not want to be part of Georgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F22QbvgfBxY
That wasn't Russian expansionism, that was protecting a mostly non-Georgian territory whose majority wished to be autonomous. Ditto Abhkhazia.
The link I posted above, why fascism is again the issue, does a fantastic job, imho, of going through the past 20 or so years of - to put it as neutrally as I can - America and/or NATO and/or Israel trying to impose their will on mostly Arab/Muslim countries, and now Ukraine, by hook and by crook and by killing lots and lots of people, and arming both sides of groups, and paying actual terrorists, actual Al Qaeda, and creating a new "golem" named ISIS [which may be more Saudi and Israeli than American, it seems]... and generally using violence and media manipulation, all while trying to perpetually set the stage for more war and more death for [in no particular order] American and/or Israeli global/regional hegemony, central banking per se, the petro dollar/reserve status, the MIC and other war profiteers, and 'Greater Israel' - which figures more largely in the neocon scheme than most realize or will at first accept. But newsflash: The Israeli government is far, far more right wing than UKIP, or even Golden Dawn. But they're Jews - so they get to not have bad press. They should.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-covers-its-ugly-racial-holy-war
Without Israel or Zionism elements of the US government would likely follow some playbook designed to challenge and weaken Russia in a somewhat similar fashion, but may have, for example, sweet talked Iran into alliance and perhaps simply negotiated with Assad re gaslines.
But the US government, and I'm sorry so saying puts me on a 'side' I don't neessarily belong to either, is fairly hijacked by Zionism/neoconservatism.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
Those who villify Putin [beyond reasonable criticism] in such an over-the-top way, especially those who, projecting perhaps, accuse everyone who does not accept the Washington/London/Jerusalem narrative of being trolls, etc. must manage to largely accept as true that which the US, UK, and Israeli governments say.
I'm sorry, but to do so requires absolute ignorance of the facts, and ignorance of the rich history of lying by those governments [indeed, governments qua such]
I assume there are, in fact, very few, if any, paid trolls on this site. There could be, they are out there, but I think most people earnestly believe what they are saying, and perhaps overstate it in the heat of debate.
This is Fight Club.
But if that's why you're here, fair play involves admitting when the other side has a point. And while Putin's critics can score on the micro level of particular decisions, in the grand overarching scheme of things, of who has been aggressor and megalomaniacal and colonialist.... the US/UK/Israel are, without any doubt, the most at fault and the most to blame.
And they have been killing tens of thousands of people for decades.
drip
drip
drip
from soldiers you right wingers only pretend to care about, and from brown people you lefties plainly don't care about unless, perhaps, its a white Republican in office...
If I drank beer, I'd defintely have a beer with you. Not that I'd try to elect you president or anything... lol
Sincerely, great post.
Counterpunch, best comment I have read today. Thank you.
This is one of the best articles I have read anywhere in several years.
I enjoyed reading that article, but then, I am biased because I HATE the government of Canada, and I HATE the government of the USA, which effectively controls the government of Canada, as well as HATE the international banksters controlling them both. Of course, I do not like the government of Russia, but I HATE the bankster dominated governments of North America.
These were my favourite passages from that article:
We're going to start fixing this zio problem by kicking the bilderberg bankster out of politics in Alberta on Tuesday.
Look for the locations of the Shadow Government's international boogeymen and you will find the hot zones for the NWO criminals most recent resource raping and planned bankster hijacking.
Wasting time on anything other than that consideration becomes the stock and trade for assorted 'journalists', 'diplomats', 'economists' and other miscellaneous diseased whores.
Sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
Governments, more correctly States, have their own lifespan and struggles before they end. Too many people do not make a distinciton between The State and the people it dominates. If the State that controls what is called the United States falls, it is not the end of the world. The people and their culture still exist because they are independent of the slaveowners who currently farm them for labor.
There could be a world without nation states. And increasing abundance due to superior technology is the key to making The State obsolete.
Hey Yes, PosterToaster, bring it on. Then we can get rid of all those B'tards ruining our lives and we can act locally. Hope!
The withering away of the state is inevitable. As energy bleeds out of the system the level of complexity we currently witness must default to a lower level of energy consumption. Put another way, the carrot and the stick so successfully wielded during the last century cannot be supported under the current dynamic. The promise of plenty for everyone works to get people headed in one direction. The problems occur when they all show up at the table and there is not enough. More than half the population is sitting at the table with fork in hand expecting to be fed. Soon it will be three quarters of the population. The cooks looking at the pantry have already panicked.
Amen, Brother. There are morons on ZH who claim I love Russia or Putin. Personally, I am neutral towards Russia and while I respect Putins leadership and competence, I do not trust any politician holding an office higher than Dogcatcher.
As do you, however, I deeply hate the bankster controlled government of the USSA, and the Canadian puppet regime. When the USSA finally gets kicked out of the Ukraine, I will stop posting on geopolitical matters for the most part.
As for the morons who think that sending home dead russians will make them run away from the Ukraine due to 'public opinion' are completely clueless. The opposite will happen, which may be the USSA's intent.
Notice how the west keeps threatening Putin and Russia, and how his polling numbers are still in the 80%! When threatened, the Russians saddle up and go to war.
No flies on this story, thanks.