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ISIS Claims Responsibility For Texas Shooting That Leaves Two Dead, Police Officer Injured
Yesterday, around 7 pm, dozens of people were at a contest hosted by New York-based American freedom Defense Initiative at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas when police said two men pulled up in a vehicle and shot a Garland Independent School District Security guard in the ankle at about 7 p.m. The men were then shot and killed by Garland police.
The incident occurred as the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland hosted a
controversial art event put on by New York-based American freedom
Defense Initiative featuring cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
Police officers address attendees at the Muhammad Art Exhibit and Contest after they are prevented from leaving when it was reported that shots were fired and a man is down in Garland, Texas May 3, 2015.
A police officer prevents attendees from leaving the Muhammad Art Exhibit and Contest after shots were fired outside the venue in Garland, Texas May 3, 2015.
However, as the recent massacre at the Paris Charlie Hebdo offices showed, such drawings are deemed insulting to many followers of Islam and have sparked violence around the world. According to mainstream Islamic tradition, any physical depiction of the Prophet Muhammad is considered blasphemous.
According to NBCDFW, "Texas officials are actively investigating to determine the cause and scope of the senseless attack," Texas Governor Greg Abbott said in a statement. "This is a crime that was quickly ended thanks to the swift action by Garland law enforcement."
The security guard, 58-year-old Bruce Joiner, was treated released from a hospital nearly two hours later, police said.
"Our thoughts and prayers remain with all those affected tonight," Abbott said.
As NBC further reports, fears of an "incendiary device" inside the suspects' vehicle prompted an investigation by a bomb squad unit and the evacuation of nearby businesses. Police are currently using robotic detection equipment to search the vehicle. No device has been found as of this writing.
Dr. Bilal Rana, President of Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association released the following statement:
"On behalf of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association — the largest Muslim youth group in the country — we stand by our fellow Americans in shock and horror at today's shooting. While we wait for investigators to tell us more about the shooters, we wholly condemn any such acts of violence and find them completely unjustifiable. Our faith calls us to engage in dialogue. So we condemn any use of violence to intimidate anyone."
Pamela Geller, president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, said that she planned the Sunday event to make a stand for free speech in response to the outcries and violence over drawings of Muhammad.
And while the FBI did not have any immediate comments or speculation on the reason behind the attac, according to the Site intel group, overnight it was Islamic State supporters who took "credit" for the bungled shooting attack.
IS Fighter Forwards Alleged Claim of Shooting in Texas http://t.co/6douWL98pE
— SITE Intel Group (@siteintelgroup) May 4, 2015
#ISIS fighters/supporters celebrate, forward what appears to be IS-pledged claim of shooting in #Texas
— Rita Katz (@Rita_Katz) May 4, 2015
#ISIS British fighter Junaid Hussain, tweeted:"2 of our brothers just opened fire...They Thought They Was Safe In Texas" from ISIS fighters.
— Rita Katz (@Rita_Katz) May 4, 2015
SITE Intel reported on jihadi's call"for brothers in the #US to do their part" in TX cartoon contest #garlandshooting http://t.co/T3hEqqjFB8
— Rita Katz (@Rita_Katz) May 4, 2015
If indeed ISIS has found its way to the US, whether for pure provocation, false flag or any other "purposes" of inciting terrorist acts, this will likely be just the first of (many) other attacks which will see the successor of al Qaeda take responsibility for.
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Is Geert Wilders a Jew?
Nope, just a protoge of Frits Bolkestein (who was on the payroll of Mikhail Khodorkovsky)
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Furthermore to your comment, what part(s) of the following don't you understand?
"Pamela Geller, president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, said that she planned the Sunday event to make a stand for free speech in response to the outcries and violence over drawings of Muhammad."
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"And while the FBI did not have any immediate comments or speculation on the reason behind the attac, according to the Site intel group, overnight it was Islamic State supporters who took "credit" for the bungled shooting attack."
(sort of like finding a pristine passport in the rubble, right)? It's great when everything works out that nicely for the Monday morning news.
Good thing your around to cut right to the truth of the matter then! So relieved, don't know what I would do without you! It couldn't have been a protest event against Islam where some actual Islamic radicals showed up to shut it down? No, too simple! I have an idea, why don't we wait and see how this evolves before fabricating our conspiracy theories?
FAUX News is a hell of a drug...
look, it's very, very simple. all that "freedom of expression"? all that "freedom to say whatever you want"?
it's precious. enough people have fought for it, and died or suffered consequences for fighting for it
but it's a freedom. which does not exclude responsibility. freedom includes responsibility, otherwise it's... empty
and drawing a cartoon of the Prophet of Islam is not being responsible. it's like burning flags or books, including those held as Holy, like the Bible
so dear caricaturists, drawing a cartoon of the Prophet of Islam is easy. just do it the same way Islamic movie makers do it: draw all the rest, and leave that space empty. in fact, if you have ever seen a religious movie on the history of the Prophet and of Ali, the Sword of Islam, there is an incredible lot of space for whatever message you want to bring, around an empty space
but don't hide behind your freedom
if I burn every day an American Flag on some American square, I have to face consequences for my actions
if I burn every day an Russian Flag on some Russian square, I have to face consequences for my actions
if I burn every day an Chinese Flag on some Chinese square, I have to face consequences for my actions
(ok, if I burn that hated, hated EU Flag on any square, I do not have to face consequences, but that's another matter altogether)
there is nothing you can't say or write about Islam. but if you do draw the Prophet of that religion, even enthroned in Heaven with Angels (islamic Angels, of course, they are the same ones, but with some whistles and bells)... you make people angry as much as if you were burning the right flag or the right book on the wrong square
so stop being so damn childish. that freedom was and is still meant for responsible adults capable of facing consequences for their actions
Allah allu Ak bar!
KABOOM!
traduced, it means "He is Great, the Only One". as such, it's just a committment to Monotheism. Christian Crusaders used "Deus Vult", i.e. "He wants what I'm doing"
meanwhile, you should traduce that "KABOOM!"
is that a misguided Islamic Terrorist blowing himself up after avenging that insult against his religion, or is that a bomb falling down on some village full of mostly peaceful believers of Islam?
which, of course, could lead us to a body bag count, and a "sport-like" measurement of the... score
Religion is not a victim. It actively seeks to turn the working classes against themselves, it openly advocates the discrimination of women, LGBT people and humanists, and it has a profoundly regressive influence on education and social progress.
Indeed, the "us vs them" mentality was pioneered by religious thought, in the form of "believer vs infidel". Sure enough, all Nazi soldiers had the words "God With Us" engraved on their belts. This is not an unfortunate coincidence.
Religion is just one of the many, many expressions of human irrationality. Personally, if I faced a choice between partaking of the metaphorical goblet of religion and that of "social progress" as it is conventionally defined and peddled, I would promptly defenestrate both of them and go back to puffing the joint of what real social progress *should* look like.
Well, Karl Marx himself poignantly described religion as the "heart of the heartless world" and as the "sigh of the oppressed creature". He diagnosed religion as something that exists primarily because people lacked a better alternative to turn to. In our time, we finally have these better alternatives: Science, solidarity, and equality before the law.
Religion is seen to thrive precisely in those regions of the world where these concepts are the least well-established. More importantly, it is also seen to do anything it can to degrade each of these concepts in those regions of the world where they are well-established. This shows unambigously that Marx his assessment of organized religion was correct.
The truth is that religion offers nothing unique to the world, and isn't actually necessary for anything, either. Its net contribution to human history is almost wholly negative.
I'll counter your
"The truth is that religion offers nothing unique to the world, and isn't actually necessary for anything, either. Its net contribution to human history is almost wholly negative"
with two slightly changed sentences:
"The truth is that atheism offers nothing unique to the world, and isn't actually necessary for anything, either. Its net contribution to human history is almost wholly negative"
and
"The truth is that anti-religion offers nothing unique to the world, and isn't actually necessary for anything, either. Its net contribution to human history is almost wholly negative"
So you are basically a pundit for the religious right and for religious conservatism? A dissapointing view by an ivory rook.
in this context, I'm arguing that aggressive, anti-religious (sometimes atheist) sentiment behaves like any aggressive religious sentiment
meaning I'm criticizing proponents of Free Speech that misuse that freedom to attack religious sentiment... for being the proponents of a religious-like "anti-religion"
I criticize also those wield Science as if it was a religion, too. both groups hold Free Speech and the Scientific Method and use it like a club on the heads of those who disagree with them
in short, I am a pundit against aggression, against uncivilized behaviour, against misuse of freedom and tested methods
but go on and contribute further in this strange culture war that puts Sweden at the front-lines. go on with the claim that your lifestyle and ideals have to be applied to everybody on this planet
your words show contempt for the religious and the conservatives everywhere. If I have to defend them from your intolerance, then yes, here I am
tolerance is hard, my friend. tolerance does not mean you agree, it means you agree to disagree and go on with your life. intolerance... well, I don't have to draw a picture, do I?
You are revealing yourself as a reactionary person, outright. This is duly noted, Ghordius.
You'll find that credibility matters.
terribly reactionary of me to argue that religious people exist, and have feelings and rights, too. terribly reactionary of me to argue that conservatives exists, and have feelings and rights, too
I guess you are using reactionary in the sense of not-progressive. well, another reactionary thing about me: your Swedish "War against Prostitution"? another totalitarian scheme
When I describe you as reactionary, this is not ad hominen. Many of your arguments bear a striking resemblance to what American creationists also argue in front of the "intolerance" and "aggressiveness" which the scientific community displays towards their "religious sentiments".
Secondly, religious conservatism gaining a foothold in modern society involves alarming human costs in terms of gender equality, quality of education, and lost opportunities for minorities. When this is pointed out to you, you respond with circular reasoning, projection, dishonesty, and a shameless misrepresentation of my position.
Your comments speak for themselves. And you have lost much respect and standing today.
Lastly, I am Norwegian, not Swedish. This appears one of many things you are genuinely confused and misinformed about.
And secular progressivism gaining a foothold involves alarming human costs in terms of those same things, except in a different way. The West is merely beginning to feel the brunt of those costs.
You remain vague on the specifics.
A lot of things can fall under secular progressivism, so I preferred to be vague. If I were to give a specific example off the top of my head, I'd point to the insane simultaneity of the immigration policies of most Western nations and their outsourcing of productive jobs to other nations.
The effect of this curious phenomenon will be that most immigrants will find themselves on the lowest rung of the social ladder doing menial jobs that the natives basically abhor, while the native middle class will be steadily eviscerated. Before long there will be widespread conflict between the immigrants and the natives as they will inevitably blame each other for the fact that there isn't any scope for financial advancement left for the vast majority of people.
I am often attacked here because my arguments resemble somebody's
Nevertheless: I argue that there is a streak of "anti-religion" that attacks religious feelings everywhere. Including the "Prophet Drawing" Cheer Leaders of this article
And your comments are in this direction. To which I argue against, with tolerance
where is the difference between intolerant religion and intolerant anti-religion?
second, your values of gender equality, quality of education and lost opportunities for minorities are your values. I might agree... or not
but those issues, or taking a religious stance, or a conservative stance... it's politics. And there, you seem to make a religion out of it... imbued with intolerance for other points of view
my comment on the recent Scandinavian War On Prostitution is to the point regardless if you are Norvegian or Swedish, then both countries have joined this new cultural battle and Prohibition
you might be right. nevertheless this does not give you the right to impose your worldview coupled with various Prohibitions, and this with a righteous attitude, on top of it, without me calling you an hypocrite, and a Culture Warrior
"you respond with circular reasoning, projection, dishonesty, and a shameless misrepresentation of my position"
nah, I claimed only one thing: that your comments betray a disrespect of religious feelings of others. go on and make my claim false: do reply with "I respect people even when they have religious beliefs that are contrary to my worldview". At which point you would become... tolerant
You are clueless as to the nature of tolerance. Religion is well-understood to be a key component of the class struggle. Indeed, religion has long been a favored tool of the 1% to distract and divide the 99% of the population over trivial issues (such as what clothing one wears or what food one consumes, and when). This is the reason it has historically been subject to fierce criticism by the Left.
Surveying the state of the world today, from the Bible-thumping segments of Western society who turn increasingly hostile to modern science and progressive politics, to the increasing number of Islamic countries who edge toward social collapse over religious differences, I conclude such criticism has never been more necessary.
My solidarity goes out to all those in the world who are disenfranchised by the toxic traditions and the deeply divisive methods of the religious right. It will not -and should not- extend to the sensitivities of people who derive their (often male-centric) privileges from religious conservatism, and who seek to keep this status quo intact at the expense of all other social groups.
The fact that these other social groups often represent different cultures or ethnicities further implicates the religious right with racism, as well as with institutionalized discrimination. Since you consistently speak on its behalf, I will regard you as a right-winger from this point forward.
that's rich
I see Ghordius as defending "live and let live."
I am not religious, nor atheist, nor anti-religionist. I observe and I am open and interested in how religion shapes a world view and a life course. And the absence of it too. They are all "takes" on life.
I respect other people's beliefs and defend their right to believe as they please. The reactivity is in being judgemental, for or against religion. Some good things and bad things can come from all the positions.
You may not be interested in religious fundamentalism, but religious fundamentalism is interested in you.
Like yourself, I started out a privileged, white Westerner who lived in blissful ignorance of these issues. Until my mother-in-law began to relate the stories of her upbringing in a fundamentalist religious society.
They were horror stories.
You are quick to disparage those who would use their freedom inappropriately, yet there are many more who may find the liberal use of your freedom offensive. At what point will you decide another's expression of their freedom of thought is too much, too little or just right? Is there a Goldilocks theorem at hand. Will you resist penning the image of Allah out of respect, but still allow your wife to appear in public with her hair or legs exposed? Will you be tolerant of sharia law out of respect?
Lots of us do shit every day that pisses someone off. Which ones of those will be judged punishable?
There are lots of gray lines to cross but what YOU need to wrap your head around is that this is a clash of civilizations, not a simple point of order, or perceived slight. The very fact that someone can find a cartoon so offensive as to justify murder should be a concern, and no more an act of rationality than that of any other deluded sociopath that should be put in a cage somewhere.
Your liberal prospective may well make you feel all warm and superior, but until you can demonstrate how pacifism in the face of shit such as this actually keeps you alive, I will keep you firmly in the corner of a crackpot.
My tolerance of their lunacy extends to allowing them to practice it within the borders of their own countries. If those of you in Euroland find it more important to demonstrate your tolerance of an absolutely intolerant cult than pursue your own survival, then your future is clearly established, as many of us in the rest of the world see. Just don't attempt to inform the rest of us as to what we should be tolerant of and what we should not. As a Texan, I think we made that perfectly clear.
Amen. You pretty much pegged Ghordius and his whole continent will suffer from these incredibly foolish delusions.
Because a drawing contest of caricatures the Prophet of Islam is an old, established Texan tradition?
I find myself accused by some as reactionary and by you as liberal. interesting life, that of the moderate arguing for moderation. good luck with your clash of civilizations
"Because a drawing contest of caricatures the Prophet of Islam is an old, established Texan tradition?"
No, it's just that we found a way to piss off and humiliate people we have been "at war" with for many years. You know, since some "Muslims attacked us on 9/11" and we didn't at all make up any reasons to go into countries and kill people who were not responsible. We were SO careful not to make people think we were on a Crusade against all of them, for Pete's sake, just those "responsible for 9/11". We didn't torture them, or piss on their corpses, or piss on their holy book, or bomb their weddings, or bomb their funerals...we just wanted revenge for 9/11. So we attacked Iraq and fuel insurgencies in other M.E. nations (largely secular) who did not attack us.
So in the interest of freedom, fairness, empathy and consideration, we keep doing it, keep being the asshole, just to show what a tolerant and justice-happy society we are, and just what's wrong with those who do not want to embrace our wonderful decadence, in every orifice? Maybe some pharma drugs and some electrodes to the genitals will fix those people.
And leather-cunts llke Katz and Geller gots to get paid....no one is paying attention to them 'cause they are easy on the eyes.
Well said Oldwood. Very well said.
On an individual level, there is never a lack of a better alternative. The lack there may be is either of desire or ability to opt for it, and most often a commixtion of both. The problem with Marx's idea is that if people only opt out of religion - or any form of violent irrationality - when the alternative is simply a less violent form of irrationality, they are likely to opt out of the latter when it exhausts the incentives which led them to opt for it in the first place.
The reason why religion is not so prevalent in the West anymore is simply that people have found other means to attain the same irrational goals that religion served before. They are richer, healthier, more secure etc., and they don't need to kill each other to get these things. But their luxury comes at the cost of the poverty of others elsewhere in the world who are, for example, willing to work cheaply to make the stuff they like to have, or unwilling to be occupied and reaved of the resources their land has to offer so that they might cheaply support the livelihoods of the former.
People who call religion a tool for the oppression of the masses are either naive, like you, or hungry for power. In the latter case, they seek to destroy something that holds significant value in the eyes of the masses in order to consolidate their own authority. But there are more than a few men among the oppressed masses who understand well enough who oppresses them - whoever has more power than they do. They also understand that their own wet dreams about benevolent old men in the sky have nothing to with that situation.
To put it briefly, people are only willing to be virtuous when they don't have to pay for it.
Down arrowed for jumping the shark all the way from LGBT to Nazi in a single post.
Some of you need better medication and a week's vacation from the Internet.
Colonel Akbar!
Anything you say, can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion.
Firstly, our American flags are not made here so are bogus. Secondly, the psychopaths have made over 3 million laws so every breath is irresponsible.
Freedom, my ass.
If people want to do things for the sake of provacation alone they are allowed to. If a certain group cannot tolerate it they do NOT have the right to resort to unlawful counteractions. That is the basis for civil society, once you give one group a pass everyone will expect one. If this other group cannot handle it maybe they should uproot from western democracies and return forthwith to whatever festering shithole they crawled out of.
"If people want to do things for the sake of provacation alone they are allowed to."
That's bs. Go take issue with just the official number-of-killed in the holocaust in Europe and go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. If you resist, force will be applied.
I'm sure I could and I certainly wouldn't end up in jail or dead. There is no law on the books against Holocaust denying in the USA - just ask Noam Chomsky.
By your position you imply that Islam is not compatible with a free society. If that is the case then those of the Islamic faith that place themselves in the midst of us infidels intentionally place themselves within a society that may insult their religions sensitivities. The fault lies not with the open society that accepted them but with the Muslim immigrant who placed himself in that open society. If we insult you, you are free to leave.
by my position I imply that laws against the public burning of flags are not compatible with a free society?
by my position I imply that if I burn every day a bible or two where people might take offense and attack me for that it means they are not fit for a free society?
the drawing of the Prophet is as much an attack to the sense of decency (of followers of Islam) as the public mooning of a crowd, or sex in public, or public pornography
I am not allowed to draw giant pornographic pictures on the pavement of public squares anywhere. why? a public sense of decency
I am not allowed to moon for hours crowds on public squares anywhere. why? a public sense of decency
I am not allowed to have sex on the pavement of public squares anywhere. why? a public sense of decency
Islams sees depictions of the Prophet as highly indecent, highly provocative and an attack to what they feel it's holy
if you think that a free society has to get rid of anybody that holds anything as holy, and is for public decency, then I guess we'll never have your definition of a free society
as I said, criticism of Islam is not best achieved by a drawing of the Prophet, as much as the other, less famous "Charlie Hebdo" cartoon depicting the Christian Trinity in a... sexual "threesome" intercourse, or Saint Mary depicted as a prostitute at work
in the case of sex, nakedness in public and pornography, our free societies do find that decency trumps the freedom of expression, and we have restrictions
so we should adapt this set of well tested, quite universal methods to other things
the drawing of the Prophet of Islam isn't even religion. it's anti-religion. fine for me, but if I look what "war" some atheist are doing against traditional displays of Christianity, I do find that their loud cheering of anti-religious drawings a bit on the side of... hypocrisy.
IF a free society should be one that leaves religion a private matter... this should mean anti-religion, too, otherwise you are using the same argument on very skewed double standards, making, at the end, atheism the State Religion, an Anti-Religion as tyrannical as any
The religious right and religious conservatism by design infringe on the personal lives of others, by systematically imposing their doctrines unto the public sphere. This often occurs through peer pressure, coercion or the projection of (lethal) force. That is precisely why religion is not harmless nonsense, but potentially very dangerous nonsense.
Frankly, religious institutions which advocate such behavior on the part of their followers should be legally approached in the same way as far-right groups are, and for the same reasons.
this does not give the right to the "anti-religious" to design infringments on the personal lives of others, and to systematically impose their doctrines unto the public sphere. or does it?
if it holds true for religious extremists, it should hold true for other extremists, too... including those on a "crusade" against religions as such. which is fundamentally intolerant
Has anyone been murdered for drawing pornographic images on the sidewalk or even having sex on the sidewalk? You are making analogies that don't play. The problem is NOT that the Islamists should not be insulted. The problem is that they think they can negate ALL SOCIAL CONTRACTS by murdering those they do not agree with.
Surely you are not so committed to pacifism, so tolerant as to not see the difference. Hopefully no one insults your manhood (an age old social insult that bridges virtually all civilizations (until Bruce Jenner anyway)) so that YOU feel justified in murdering them.
We suffer many problems and great injustices, but this is a far reach for anyone but those most committed to self destruction. We, of the "civilized" world are typically at least given the opportunity of a court hostile to true freedom, but when we can rationalize the actions of anyone who murders others because of insult to themselves OR their god, we are all truly FUCKED. Death in the streets will become part of our "new normal".
Has anybody ever been murdered for having sex with the "wrong person"? Let's say in... Texas?
I see the difference. my analogies are - for the sake of understanding - based on more common themes of decency because we don't have any religious insult left in the West that would cause a murder. but not long ago it wasn't that simple
but again, aren't we speaking here of cartoons that were commissioned, with the express purpose of "showing we can"? and perhaps with other goals and consequences in mind?
no, if I would commission a giant "Fuck Texas" sign in Islamabad, Pakistan, and become famous because of it, I think I'd be still safe walking around in Texas. I think I'd be reasonably safe from bullets, at least, but not necessarily from beatings, would I?
meanwhile, if the Governor of Texas would demand and get a bombing of that sign, how much "collateral damage" would stop any cheering at the news, in Texas?
Yes, we are much better off in the gentle hands of the hardcore leftists and fascists who shut down the speech, religion and businesses (and their funding) of those who do not submit to the doctrine of the state.
Operation Choke Point:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/05/19/doj-pressuring-bank...
Unless you are willing to live in the remote woods, you will have to coexist and yes, conform, to the people you live around. It has ALWAYS been this way. What is it that you demand? We can't all live within the all the values we prize AND tolerate all others as well. There are overlaps and conflicts. A good society would be one that attempts to be tolerant and find a good balance. This balance is NEVER going to suite everyone. This is why people have migrated for thousands of years...to get away from others. This is what America was built upon. While I can respect your love of tolerance...as we should all try to do, there is still a balance, and not one of comfort or convenience, but one of survival. The very people that you demand we be tolerant of, are the most intolerant and the most personally violent of all most all religions or cults. We do not have to like or even approve of our own societies ills and injustices to outright reject those of even more extreme. Yes we need to right our ship, strive for justice and tolerance, but we cannot commit suicide simply to pacify others.
Much of our morals and social norms have evolved as being necessary to promote our survival. This was the basis of natural law. Christianity has largely embraced this idea, but as with any other power structure has used it for destructive purposes from time to time. But its success is self evident when compared to others, most notably Islam, if looking at the state of their existence, their absolute constipation of advancement, creativity and especially your beloved Science.
Not sure whether your term "religious right" refers to the people once known as homosexuals or to those who claim to belong to the religion of peace, since those two groups appear more active than anyone else in imposing their views on others in the public sphere.
Perhaps you can clarify which of those two groups you had in mind.
You must be popular, I got downvoted for saying:
If people want to do things for the sake of provacation alone they are allowed to. If a certain group cannot tolerate it they do NOT have the right to resort to unlawful counteractions. That is the basis for civil society, once you give one group a pass everyone will expect one. If this other group cannot handle it maybe they should uproot from western democracies and return forthwith to whatever festering shithole they crawled out of.
Its kind of odd that we are living in a society that simultaneously rejects the violence of our government towards its people while being completely tolerant of a competing ideological governance that seeks ABSOLUTE violence as a means of enforcing its views.
There is little that humans say and do that makes much sense anymore. In the animal world it is obvious, they make no illusions as to their motives and the victims understand there is no justice beyond what they can provide for themselves. Humans instead wallow in rationalizations to explain WHY we deserve our punishments, how WE are the evil that is simply being punished, rather than simply accepting that evil is everywhere and the best that we can hope for is the strength and wisdom to be able to perceive real threats from false ones and be able to defend ourselves and those we care about (if in this nihilistic age anyone really does care about anyone else).
No one cared for decades about the "Mooooslim other" in our midst until the jews who run AmeriKa wanted us to care. Their immediate enemies became our immediate enemies, thousands of miles of empty ocean non-withstanding.
Then after 9/11 they became a toilet for us all to shit in. Acting like you are on some sort of Holy Crusade against all Muslims and treating them like animals (ya know, the way Israelis jews see ALL ARABS), along with hate-baiting cunts like Geller and Katz out there making money pretending to be "defenders" of our way of life (LOL), you get a response you didn't need a crystal ball to foretell.
all flags should be burnt everywhere, all the time. Nationalism is the scourge of reason.
But i do agree in principle that freedom of speech is not an absolute. Otherwise perjury would be unpunishable, and the media would have unfettered freedom to create miscarriages of justice
What is the problem Ghord, the first amendment was utilized the event was held, it pissed people off consequences were had for all... Am I missing somthing, Adults made decisions some adults paid the price for the decision no one and I mean NO one wwas forced to attend. I am sure you wil lcopy and paste when a urine dripping cross is inserted sideways into the "artists" ass..
If its Larssen' arse, then maybe his argument might carry a bit more weight.
Then again, that may not qualify as an official 'religious' act but he still would call it religious violence.
The idea of a disarmed European lecturing Americans who live in open carry States about freedom is simply precious.
Looks like ISIS figured out that Texas ain't Paris. News flash: Our housewives are better armed than European men.
yes, it's precious that you see my comments as those of a European lecturing Americans
Pussy! This is why Europe will have more mosques then churches in 10 years. Sounds like Ghordy is already Kafir!
As you point out, burning a Chinese flag in a Chinese square or a Russian flag in a Russian square is likely to have harmful consequences (though probably not attempted murder).
Most people would accept the view that burning the Koran in Mecca would be unwise. Yet the consequences would be far harsher than if you burned the New Testament or Christ's picture in the Vatican, which tells us something about the extremism of those associated with Mecca.
But since when did Texas become Muslim territory? Or do you subscribe to the view that the whole world is Muslim territory and everyone else has to submit to their extremist dictates?
Instead of claiming other people are childish for expecting to have freedom in their own countries, time to look at how gutless your position is.
Europe was once saved from Islam by brave men. Looks like it's all out of them now as the invasion continues.
Ghordius, I appreciate your call for religious respect, but this thing is actually NOT about religion, man.
Je Suis Charlie. Get it? See Meat Trapper's comment above.
It is a bit rich for ISIS types to complain about images of the prophet when they have no compunctions against destroying major non-moslem religious antiquities in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Antiquities that in no way insult the prophet except by virtue of their significance to a competing religion.
To understand what is going on here, better to read The True Believer.
Just sayin...
Extremism cannot comprehend irony or even hypocrisy when in pursuit of an agenda, the advancement of their ideology. We see leftists claiming their undying love of the poor and helpless while creating policies and actions that absolutely abuse their stated goals. We see Muslim killing Muslims to advance Islam, and they see no conflict at all. Its the ideology, not the people, that is important. When we have achieved our perfection, then it will be the survivors who will live in Utopia. The rest are simply broken eggshells to give testimony to the great Omelette they have created.
I'm a member of a secret society dedicated to the preservation of free thought.
I am prepared for armed combat in the name of art preservation.
Heil Parody! Long live the thousand year song! ( look it up, it's real)
We shall not sit idly by while a joke, somewhere, somehow, cannot be made! I'm just so glad it was a terrorist and not the armed agent of the state who shot that foot!
completely agree, but the phenomenon is old, and has a name: iconoclasm. strictly speaking, ISIS and any other extreme Islamic fundamentalist would love to forbid any kind of depiction, starting with the religious, and then going further to those of any living being
but a lot of religious war has been done around iconoclasm, and most of it was among Christians
Yeah, take a cue from Doonesbury's caricature of Dubya, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Doonesbury-Bush.jpg
"If indeed ISIS has found its way to the US, whether for pure provocation,"
my my
chickens coming home to roost?
Isis meet police with M16. Wonder what bath house barry has to say about this. . . crickets.
No imagination these fuckers. 'Ya wanna see what Muhammad looks like? Walk in there with a nicely sharpened scimitar and start lopping off a few heads.
Now that is what he was good at. Just another bloodthirsty nutjob.
Hey, they got some lardass cops in Texas.
And in massachussetes too.
This will not end well.
What I don't understand is why these cowards pick on poor innocent people, like women and children? they call themselves lions? more like fucking delusional idiots. Its like going to war and instead of shooting the enemy they go attack a bunch of fucking donkeys, like how stupid are these people, what's the average IQ, can they finger paint yet?
So, let me get this straight, you're calling all those good ol Texans a bunch of "fucking donkeys"?
Good luck with that one.
Are you African?
No not specific demographics, more of a total body count generalization.
I don't expect much of this as Texans in general can fight back.
When the men of Texas start to play "Cowboys and Muslims" then we will know it's real. Until then color me unimpressed.
We all (at least those of us who still have balls and testosterone) know what to do when ISIS comes to our backyard.
This problem will be resolved. One way or another and I don't tremble in fear of any ISIS terrorists.
The blue heroes are the biggest threat to my safety on a daily basis. For against their thuggery I cannot legally resist. However it's perfectly legal to ventilate anyone else who tries to deprive me of life or liberty.
ISIS? Bring it. Bring your asses on out where we can see them. I promise we'll just talk. And I promise a one way ticket, all expenses paid, to visit with your sky father and your virgins.
I think they promised us the same thing if we went over there and did all that, sure didn't stop us from going.
But we know for the actual citizens to resist radical Islam will be considered a hate crime. Its only legal for the cops to do the killin.
WE will see self defense become ever more narrowed in definition so as to be only justifiable if you are bleeding from a wound, and a body cam download.
We already know what the rules of engagement have become in the ME. Do we really think American citizens will be faced with anything less restricting?
Return fire only. Hopefully they will be marksmanship trained only to the extent of our local police. In such case we may still have a chance.
ISIS is run by CIA/Mossad.
Yup. These are "attacks" designed to get the herd to stampede willingly in a desired direction.
I would guess 90% of them are, with the odd few lone retards who get everything handed to them by FBI eager for the accolades and $$$ they receive from the resulting frame-up.
ISIS is in the White house under code name Muslim Brotherhood. Its a known fact that the Muslim brotherhood members have been in the white house as guests. Obama gets his marching orders from them. Their the ones who keep telling him never to say Islamic extreemests or Islamic Jihadists. The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR are both supporters of ISIS.
ISIS= Israeli Secret Intelligence Service -- By way of deception make war. Or something like that.
Oh wait, I meant MOSSAD. Oops.
Get a load of the roid boys who just happened to be available.
My moneys on FBI led idiots.
The precedents are there.
If apple made a replica female sibling, would they call it the .... Ok, it's the middle of the night. Going back to bed.
When I was a wild eyed 19 year old fresh out on my own I share an apartment with a man I worked with who happened to be a Green Beret freshly back from Vietnam. We worked at a wholesale beef operation in a "diverse" neighoborhood and we were not of the primary color. At lunch time we would walk to a party store in our white meat cutter coats and buy sodas etc.
We as a group never had any troubles with the locals except for one day. Hot, August lunch time as we walked to the store entrance it was just me and him. There were six to 8 locals who called my roomie a honky MFer and made another reference to his race. I turned to see the 6 closing in behind us and a second later, turned back to find the mouthy one who had a cane dangling from said cane with his whole body weight being carried by the cane pushing sideways under his chin. My roomate hand him against a plate glass window up in the air off his feet. It happened "cat quick." The other locals quickly backed off. My roomie simply leaned in and asked the man who was still dangling off the ground if he was a tough guy?
I said all that to say this, free speech does not mean no consequences to your speech. Black/white. Red/yellow. Christian/muslim. Repub/democrat. Hate/love. What ever you do say it like you mean it. Wisdom is as much knowing when to keep your mouth shut.
The end to the story of that hot August lunch encounter occurred latet that night when the natives raided the company parking lot and broke every headlight, tailight and mirror off or out of 14 refreigerated delivery trucks and one company tractor trailer. And you wonder why businesses leave the inner city? Hmm. Guess I better be careful what I say huh?
Good day all.
Standard MO. The feral beasts cowardly attacked when nobody was around.
But they felt so "justified" while doing it. This is what undergirds the extremist groups in that the moderates will always condemn the act while simultaneously adding that they "understand" and sympathise with the motivations.
terrorists just a bunch of fools and idiots..wrong target (public), as in france recently our terrorist promply shoots himself playing with his weapon..now texas - both terrorists (children of moe larry and curley it seems)..
shot dead before the get 2 steps from their car to kill ave unimportant serfs , while dimon, blankfein, buffett and munger and the DC crowd are safe again..
target selection by isis or al ciada or muslim brother hood is so poor as it is laughable..sure cia tell us how good these terrorists are LOL shoe bomber anyone?
The DC crowd is safe behind closed doors, but they are represented by cops, trained animals who serve and protect the crowd while imposing justice on it's citizens.
They have to shoot the innocents because the average person is not going to care if the shooting targets are Munger, Dimon, Blanfein, et., al.
<<sure cia tell us how good these terrorists are LOL shoe bomber anyone?>>
I can't decide which is more depressing: 1) the CIA has enough budget to put on so many shows for an MSM that's dumber than a pile of rocks, or 2) they have an audience that really IS that dumb, or 3) Tyler shows no more pattern recognition than any dittohead on teevee for this one. I hate Mondays.
The names of Zio Israel First agents Pamela Geller, Ritz Katz and ISIS= 100% hoax.
http://winteractionables.com/?p=14400
"ISIS has gunboats. ISIS has jets. ISIS has drones. Next will be ISIS has space program."
They already do...NASA
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/07/nasas_muslim_outrea...
"Today, Islamonaut Achmed Achmed performed the first decapitation in space. He was congratulated in a call from The Bath House on the back nine at Andrews."
LMAO
such a terrible propaganda and usa think they can lie so blatantly . no wonder why they spend 700 million $ to nake their propaganda effective and still fails .
Pamela Geller is a lunatic. She has nothing better to do with her time than arranging drawing competitions? Who else does this?
Disagree. Muslims must be faced down before their numbers grow too high. Whole swathes of Europe are now Dar-al-Islam no-go areas for us kuffars.
"Pamela Geller, president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, said that she planned the Sunday event to make a stand for free speech."
And for that I sincerely applaud Pam, because the Religion Of Peace will keep bullying us into their way unless we stand up for ourselves.
However, her commitment to free speech, while hugely enthusiastic, is also highly selective. On a couple of occasions I posted to her site the unwelcome information that the Muslim invasion she frets about is a direct result of the mass Third World immigration/open boders policy pushed by Jewish oraganizations for almost a century.
Unfortunately, quick as you could say 'hypocritical bitch', the comments were disappeared.
All those art critics need to lighten up.
I live in the netherlands and I tell you that Geert Wilders is a complete bunghole. Political and or economic ideas are bullshite, nothing than anti islamic rant. The guy cannot come up with sane political ideas.
As for the terrorists - two guys shoot someone in his ankle - serious? Are these the same guys that took possession of half the Iraqi desert? Whahahahahaha
I think we Need an Official Zero Hedge Mohammed Cartoon Contest. I'm sure old Banzai could get the ball rolling in a thread.....what do you think. I'm working on my entry now........
Hey! Pointing and laughing is terr'ist! The government frowns on your unseemly levity.
Let me get this straight. Two guys who could have walked right in to the building if they had bothered to wear the star of david around their necks, decide instead to have a firefight outside with a security guard. They only shoot him in the foot (That takes rare skill) and then are both shot dead.
Then to cap the whole surreal montage off, ISIS claim responsibility. This CIA/Mossad organization that took over an area the size of Portugal in Iraq and Syria in just a few weeks send two guys to shoot a security guard in the foot? And to make it even more obvious, the whole thing run by a jewish hate group bent on causing trouble in the name of free speech. Does anyone on the planet believe any of this crap?
It was possible that two sick morons died for their intolerant religious beliefs. Well, it was possible until I read who ran this show and who claimed responsibility.
Just goes to show that we need and should accept Operation Jade Helm without question.
Is sarc/ necessary?
Yes. Your comment, your moniker, and ... well I can't make out your avatar, had me for a moment there.
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If they are "ISIS" most likely they are the tag-alongs around the world. Rank amateurs that want to play at commando terrorist but have no idea what they are doing and end up dead with nothing to show for it. Not necessarily a conspiracy, the tweet is just ISIS promoting more of these kinds of actions no matter how ineffective.
Give it up dude. Desite your best efforts, this story is a turd you can not polish.
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Oh look at that, I was probably right:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/alleged-shooter-elton-simpson-in-terror-attack-in-garland-texas-a-muslim-convert/
Amateur hour and ISIS is just lending its "moral" support.
And those who 'run the show' are the ones insisting ISIS claimed responsibility, of course.
<<Well, it was possible until I read who ran this show and who claimed responsibility.>>
Sure, and now every MSM dittohead is going to start chanting "over there so we don't have to fight them over here". When do they start handing out the Je Suis Charlie pins? As everyone said up-thread, Thank God for Jade Helm amiright? Help us, Deep State, you're our only hope. Mossad has no imagination but given their audience, they obviously don't need any.
MSM believers will predictably get utterly terrorised and beg the Deep State to take over every gun in sight. The local filth will send a special envoy of 'officers' for special training in Israel over how to shake down a citizen suspected of possession of a pocket knife. And we'll have to put up with weeks of the MSM 'news' cycle debating whether it's OK for sheep to arm themselves since we can't be sure of their morality. No doubt every criminal who is 'running for president' will make some self-righteous speech in which 'terr'ism' or 'rayciss' occurs every fifth word.
I live in Canada, and since nobody in charge here has noticed this is a different country, I can see it's shaping up to be another summer to avoid the fucking teevee.
<<Does anyone on the planet believe any of this crap?>>
Betting pool on when the first dropped ID shows up. I bet I can write their first terr'ist bio: "His fellow students say Muhammed bin-Allin was the quiet type who kept to himself. But his Facebook page shows ranting against Jews in America, and his shrink claims to have just changed his medication last month. His mother says she tried to warn the school he had been off his rocker since he was first discharged from military training in Florida, but sadly he had successfully applied for a gun permit just one week ago."
while the US did create ISIS - and truth is they are still feeding it - they have lost control of this. It is the proverbial reaping the whirlwind. people need to stand up to the US federal govt, get them to lock the borders and to drop the Political Correctedness that is killing America.
I like how the newspapers are already blacking out the drawn photos of Mohammed. I imagine Zerohedge will do the same as the world cowers in fear of Islam.
Alex Jones gets it right again. Wasn't he just talking about ISIS being in Texas?
http://www.infowars.com/media-censors-muhammad-cartoons-after-garland-at...
You guys can hate him - i once did - but the things he has been talking about for years are coming to fruition.
Alex Jones wife is.....? Not goyim. I do not trust the guy at all.
The trouble isn't so much IS being in Texas, as it is CIA and MOSSAD being in Texas. Too many anti-federalist rumblings in Texas for central control to feel quite sure about them. The Deep State really, REALLY wants a good excuse to lock down & occupy in the mistrustful South. If Jones is droning on about the Muslim threat, then he's only one step ahead of the MSM.
They sent Joe Biggs down there; I am not sure they found any definitive camp, but the Fedz were real interested.
Does anyone else have a probelm with the way the police are dressed in these photos? Seems like they think they are in Afghanistan.....
Makes me think of some phrase about "standing armies"....
Occupy, Deep State style. Police dress up like the army b/c the Deep State wants us terrified peons to take them most seriously. Respect mah authoritay, brah, For Us or Against Us. Not sure which is better, soldier gear or the anonymous black masks and SWAT crime suits they wear up here further north. That picture of the big beefy filth looming in front of the tiny woman and the old man trying to go home, says it all. If I'd seen that picture out of context I'd have thought those two were about to be kidnapped.
They are in Texistan.
Pamela Gellar , zionist, SITE zionist... hmmmm getting ready for Jade Helm? ISIS in Texas? hostile territory...
come one.. the guard shot himself in the foot and they threw two dead bodies out of a van... don't you know how this game works??
False flag. ISIS threatening Texas. Total BS. Open borders invasion and obola plus his Zio controllers are destroying America.
Need to have more mohammed drawing contests if it draws the sleeper cells out this easy.
These two guys walked into an ambush in Garland because lots of cops were already there waiting in case crazy muslims like them showed up. Contest was in TX cause couldn't get same level of support for Free Speech in NY or CA. If this happened in NYC the cops would have accidently shot 27 bystanders, the perps would be labled the 'real' victims, and the contest winner would be the one arrested.
Spitting coffee.
Funnier because it's true.
OK, now I can't stop laughing! Bloody Mondays.
Two guys walk into an ambush. Bartender says, Aw, not another Charlie...
Why are the police wearing camoflage? They look like the Craft guys patroling the Boston Marathon false flag.
Look closer. It's Mossy Oak. They're Texas good ol' boys. Hell yeah!
Everybody knows that in an urban evironment desert camoflage helps you blend in.
Interesting, since all indications are that ISIS is simply a mercenary army hired and trained by the Mossad and CIA.
So, the Mossad and CIA are now attacking the US on US soil thanks to Obom-traitor and his open border to save the poor Central American youth. Only a moron would believe that Obom-satan cares anything about Central American youth.
and the NSA has no idea this was in motion. Shocking
"...Nazi-Lizard-People of the Hollow-Earth. Fueled by Oreos and a near-psycopathic love for their Robot-Fuhrer...."
God, I love shit like this!
"It's ISIS season you silly wabbbit..."
May buckshot season start in earnest, good hunting.
Why is it always Site Intel that finds these things? Who are these guys?
Sounds like more of barry's family has moved to Garland, Texas, or is at least visiting.
Well....not anymore.
Where's barry's bum buddy holder in all this?
For a bunch of sand covered barbarians, this ISIS group is doing pretty well, huh? Not only have they taken large chunks of middle eastern countries, they can successfully pull off terror attacks around the world at will. From nowhere they now have an organization with an international presence in a just couple of years. Wow! /s
They have brought America to her knees. Won't someone think of the children?!
OK, just when I was getting a good depression going, you guys start cracking terr'ist jokes and make me laugh! You broke my Monday blues, man, NOW how am I going to justify alcohol?
Tyler, you could make up for this with a caption thread... Go Hedge comment comedians!
Eagerly awaiting to the Banzai News Networks coverage of this 'tragedy'.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/texas-ranger-drops-jade-helm-bombs...
So on 4/29/15 we have this article where a "texas ranger" states they know "ISIS" attacks are coming to Texas.
I think it's chock full o' Patsies so people will accept more military action - like Jade Helm - in the streets of the US.
JFK got wacked in Texas. Then they killed the patsy too.
What is a free speech rally?
Also a note, the man with white hair in the picture above is holding the book "Stop the Militarization of America" while talking to SWAT officer.
He was discussing the infringements of his rights to walk out and take a bullet or two from ISIS.
Sounds like ISIS to me...that is their MO...shoot ankles and then run.
Texas is the wrong state to try this....Orgeon, Mass., Maryland, Cali are much better, they aree more liberal and less likely to have some there ready to kill terrorists
Are you kidding me? Gang bangers in La Mirada, Florence (pot growers, really) and Dover would disagree with you. They are all armed. They also shoot well.
Or try Espanola, NM. Shit load of guns...
So will Obama arrest the police?
ISIS are our Allies ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7xtIReYAU
ISIS are our Allies ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7xtIReYAU
Seems like something you wouldn't want to take 'credit' for....shooting someone in the ankle, then getting killed yourself? Wow, big deal...I'm so scared.
Congratulations on "remove kebab" GPD!
An anti-Muhammed art display put on by the American Freedom Defense Initiative is attacked by ISIS in Texas? Why do I get the feeling this is staged?
Exactly. Ju-u-u-ust a little too pat, isn't it. Pam Geller stage a provocation, and "ISIS" answers the bell. I don't believe a word of it.
I've actually never heard of the group and I've lived here all my life. What are the chances their Facebook group creation date is 5/2/2015?
Various sources list the foundation of that group as being in 2009. Anyway, the whole thing is such an obvious psy-op, it's hard to tell if it's so clumsily staged due to incompetence or contempt for the intelligence of the people it's aimed at; or some combination. Let's see. A vicious nut who is barred from traveling to the UK (and probably other places) due to various inflammatory actions and statements uses her fringe network to set up a "Mohammed Cartoons" contest. This will only be noticed by crazy people of one sort or another. A guy who is already in the FBI "Terror" matrix; a marked patsy; shows up with an accomplice and supposedly shoots at a security guard. The police are already there and shoot the both of them dead, so no statements. By the look of the photos, US Special Forces, or former Special Forces operatives turned mercenaries are already on the premises, waiting.
This positively reeks of an FBI staged set-piece. All the elements are there. A group of crazies itching to start a bloodbath announces an event that can result in either nothing at all or as a target for an opposing provocation. A known, established and reliable patsy finds out (I wonder how?) and reacts exactly as planned. Then he is swiftly eliminated, without having caused much real harm. Immediate cause celebre for those already advocating genocide and a fascist coup backed up by martial law and a racist, theocratic military dictatorship.
I'll be very curious to see if anything is heard of the "security guard" who was shot in the ankle, according to the story. That doesn't matter; just a curious little side note. This is an attempt at a "Reichstag Fire" incident. Or any of a number of not just false-flags, but complicated staged provocations. This is one is cartoonish in its amateurishness, but lots of idiots with a persecution complex and a taste for blood will go for it.
Obviously we need Ben Carson as President to make all this go away!