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ISIS Warns Of "Harsher And Worse" US Attacks After Claiming Responsibility For Botched Texas Shooting
On Sunday evening, two men were shot and killed outside the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas where a cartoon contest was underway featuring depictions of the prophet Mohammed. At the time, we reported that ISIS had taken credit for what ultimately appears to have been a botched attempt to carry out an attack similar to the massacre at Charlie Hebdo in France:
And while the FBI did not have any immediate comments or speculation on the reason behind the attack, according to the Site intel group, overnight it was Islamic State supporters who took "credit" for the bungled shooting attack.
Today we learn that indeed, ISIS has officially claimed responsibility. Here’s more from CNN:
ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack outside the Prophet Mohammed cartoon contest in Garland, Texas -- and warned of more attacks to come
In a broadcast on its official radio channel Tuesday, the group said two Al Khilafa soldiers attacked the event. Al Khilafa is how ISIS refers to its soldiers.
The two gunmen, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, wounded a security guard before police shot and killed them.
The ISIS radio announcer also referred to Simpson and Soofi as the terror group's "brothers."
While ISIS claimed responsibility two days after the Sunday attack, there was no immediate indication that the terror group in Iraq and Syria actually had contact with Simpson or Soofi, who both lived in Phoenix.
CNN then makes the very astute observation that there appear to have been very subtle “clues” that one of the shooters was an ISIS sympathizer — clues like creating a Twitter hashtag in hopes your attack will become a trending topic, tweeting out your own goodbye message to the world, and pledging allegiance to the leader of ISIS:
U.S. authorities have said they are investigating whether Sunday's shooting has any link to international terrorism. But there are clues that one of the gunmen was an ISIS sympathizer. Moments before the attack, Simpson posted an ominous tweet with the hashtag #texasattack: "May Allah accept us as mujahideen."
The tweet also said he and his fellow attacker had pledged allegiance to "Amirul Mu'mineen," which means "the leader of the faithful." CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank said that likely refers to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi.
This of course marks the first attack claimed by ISIS on U.S. soil. Here’s a recap of events from Al Arabiya:
"Two of the soldiers of the caliphate executed an attack on an art exhibit in Garland, Texas, and this exhibit was portraying negative pictures of the Prophet Mohammed," the jihadist group said.
It was the first time ISIS claimed to have carried out an attack in the U.S.
Police said two men drove up to the conference center Sunday in Garland, Texas, where the right-wing American Freedom Defense Initiative was organizing the controversial cartoon contest, and began shooting at a security guard.
Garland police officers then shot and killed both men.
According to U.S. media reports, the two suspected jihadists were Elton Simpson, 31, and Nadir Soofi, 34, who shared an apartment in Phoenix, Arizona.
Simpson was being investigated by the FBI over alleged plans to travel to Somalia to wage holy war, court records show.
As mentioned above, the two men were Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, shown here:
From The Washington Post on Simpson:
Simpson was born in Illinois and converted to Islam at a young age, court documents show. The government began investigating him in 2006, recording conversations between him and a paid informant.
In May 2009, according a federal court document, Simpson told an FBI informant: “It’s time to go to Somalia, brother.” He added: “It’s time. I’m tellin’ you man. We gonna make it to the battlefield…it’s time to roll.”
Simpson was arrested by the FBI in January 2010 after a lengthy investigation. He was charged with lying to agents in connection with terrorism. Authorities suspected he was trying to fly to Somalia, but Simpson claimed at the time he had intended to travel to South Africa to go to school and study Islam there.
Following a bench trial, a judge dropped the terrorism enhancement, citing insufficient evidence.
And from CNN about both men:
In 2011, Simpson was convicted of making a false statement involving international and domestic terrorism.
Prosecutors said he told FBI agents that he had not discussed traveling to Somalia to engage in "violent jihad" -- when, in fact, he had, according to an indictment.
Simpson was sentenced to three years of probation, court records show...
Soofi was born in Garland and spent the first three years of his life there, his mother said, according to The Dallas Morning News.
"He was raised in a normal American fashion," Sharon Soofi said. "Yes, he was very politically involved with the Middle East. Just aware of what's going on. I don't know if something snapped or if Elton Simpson was just working on him."
Sharon Soofi also said her son had an 8-year-old boy whom he adored.
"He put his son above everything," she said. "The hard thing to comprehend is why he would do this and leave an 8-year-old son behind."
Soofi's father is Pakistani, and his mother is American, a source with knowledge of the family told CNN.
After his parents divorced, Soofi and his brother moved to Pakistan to live with their father and stepmother, the source said.
In the 1990s, Soofi attended a prestigious private school in Islamabad. The source added that the boys left abruptly at some point, ostensibly to go live with their mother.
And one Chevy Cobalt was harmed in the making of this story...
Their neighbors in Phoenix said they had no clue about what they were going to do.
Ariel Whitlock was actually about to buy a car from Simpson. She was horrified to see the same black Chevrolet Cobalt, damaged from the attack, on the news.
"I'm getting goose bumps thinking about it right now just because I wanted to buy that car," she told CNN's Kyung Lah. "On the news, I see it, it's just blown up. I'm like, 'I was going to purchase that car.'"
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Here is the statement from ISIS in which the group warns of further attacks...
This fair was conducting a competition of offensive cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. The brothers were killed during an exchange of fire, and we ask God to welcome them into heaven. And we say to America... that what is coming is worse and more bitter, and you will see from the soldiers of the Islamic State what ill will come.
...which ends with the following ominous passage and very accurate — if a bit tautological — observation that the future is indeed "right around the corner"...
The Islamic State soldiers will inflict harm on you with the grace of God. The future is just around the corner.
As we said on Monday, if indeed ISIS has found its way to the US, whether for pure provocation, false flag or any other "purposes" of inciting terrorist acts, this will likely be just the first of (many) other attacks which will see the successor of al Qaeda take responsibility for.
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We need an invasion to Syria and we need a boogie man, sorry folks...
No we need to just nuke em all now!
Harsher and worse?
Do they mean like shooting someone in the knee next time?
Keep drawing the child molester. We need the nut-jobs to continue to come out of the woodwork just to commit suicide by cop.
Here we go again, another false flag.
Here we go again, another tinfoil hat.
Sure, the US government would NEVER commit a false flag / sarc off.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
Isn't this what the NSA is for to prevent a terrorist attack... or to make sure it goes smoothly?
The NSA is supposed spy on everyone, including world leaders, so that they can black mail them with incriminating material. Homeland Insecurity is supposed to prevent this, but as we already know, their job is to keep the sheeple under control.
This just in: ABC News confirms that one of the suspects of the Garland Texas shooting incident, featuring professional war propagandists of the so-called "American Freedom Defense Intitiative" (AFDI), has been under FBI surveillance and investigation since at least as early as 2007.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/05/garland-shooting-gladio-texas-...
Same as it ever was....
Yet another front-page "terror" incident where the perps were already well-known to the FBI.
I will only be surprised if there's an actual "terror" attack where the perps have no previous connection to any federal agency. Don't expect it to happen anytime soon.
If SITE intel group and Rita Katz are involved, you know you are being lied to.
Once again, they knew ahead of time it was going to happen & did nothing. It's got false flag written all over it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068250/Texas-police-warned-ISIS...
Pretext to martial law...
There IS a bright light to this story. An American had a gun and used his 2nd. His Right to Protect Himself.
Since ISIS = CIA I'm inclined to believe their threats.
Such pretty, pretty boyz.
Aren't they always?
Don't you usually take credit for successful operations?
pods
Mohammed baisée petits garçons
Fetchez la vache has a different meaning over there.
pods
Both are now 'smoking a pipe' with Satanallah.
At least one of them has been under prolonged FBI surveillance - since 2007 - so this seems to be another FBI enabled/sponsored false flag.
Fuck them. Bet they will be considering other options beside Texas next time. I would look for the states with lowest NRA membership. Try Vermont next time.
So who benefits?
ISIS doesn't because now there will be even louder calls to invade Iraq and Syria.
The Luciferian Globalists benefit because they want to get rid of Syria, so that Israel (which is their puppet) can attck Iran, throw the whole region into chaos and eventually throw everyone together into a Middle East Union.
Of course millions have and will have to die to accomplish this goal. Ah, aren't Satanic empires great?
I can't wait for the coming global Satanic Scientific Dictatorship "utopia". /sarc
Israel is not their 'puppet', its their creation. Its a little different. It should just be called 'the Principality of Rothschild'.
F**k his idiot comments & the 4 Luciferian hobby horses he rode in on
"Harsher and worser."
They mean soon they'll start knockout punching people since they obviously cant handle an AR.
Isn't anyone the least bit embarassed about such an obvious con?
Two armed guys supposedly on a homicidal/suicidal rampage refuse to go around or just drive right over some orange cones to drive up to the building? The parking lot enterance wasn't blocked - it was guarded. There was a silver car inside the orange cones wiht it's headlights shining on the checkpoint (like the guard's car), but it wasn't blocking the entrance at all. The cop/guard was probably just standing in the enternace. What would you do if you were a terrorist and wanted to get to the building?
So rather than just blowing by the parking lot security or shooting the cop from the car and driving right up to the building to start the mayhem, the 'terrorists' decide to pull their car up at an akward angle beyond the impenetrable orange traffic cones - in plain view and line-of-fire of security - and have a good ol' Texas shootout with them ruining their entire scheme? Yeah, that makes sense. No wonder they hired 'roided-up Balckwater/Xe/Academi serial killers as extra guards. They seem pretty geared up for event security.
The staging is laughable. The fact that it was so eagerly gobbled-up by an unquestioning public is the real scary part.
She's the one who claimed they were "ISIS"!!
FFS Tylers, get yo shet together.
"ISIS claimed responsibility"
Yes, but only after the arch-zionists claimed they had.
Meanwhile, the FBI comes to MY front porch over language they don't approve of...
Dissolve the CIA, kick the Mossad back to Israel and these "attacks" go away.
In Texas parlance, it's all horseshit.
Welcome to the future.
haha, isis in texas.
well, they do have something coming they are trying to set blame already.
thanks muderous elites and your army of slaves.
just another broken window...
I'm wondering if this gives good reason for Texas to be the hostile in Jade Helm 2015...at least according to over-testosteroned military types...
The Daily Mail said Anonymous tipped off the Garland police two days ago. More BS. I always though Anon was BS.
Anonymous... Just a way to blackmail and then enlist promising young hackers. IMO.
Albert Pike predicted WWIII would be fought between "political Zionism and Islam". It is supposed to be so horrible, so devastating that everyone, including Christians, will lose their faith. Then the NWO will appear as the solution. You will be required to worship Lucifer. That is what he said and his prediction and description of WWs I and II were spot on. Why else would ISIS be here? Why would the US allow them to construct a base 8 miles from El Paso? Are you starting to get a bad feeling about Jade Helm?
Related:
"Last night in the Dallas suburb of Garland, Texas, at Pam Geller’s “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest”, two alleged “gunmen” were shot and killed by a Special Ops paramilitary ‘SWAT’ unit hired by the city of Garland to provide security for the controversial event."
Theatre.
It IS theatre, but people are buying it as real, or more precisely, "legit". So radical muslims, ISIS, get angrier. Angry enough to launch organized attacks, which will be as gruesome as possible (beheadings). Prepositioned (Jade Helm) forces, conveniently, will already be in place. But whose side will they be on?
Provocations. Distractions. Theatre.
Imagine ISIS will now sponsor a "Piss on the Christ" contest and exhibit.
Garland transformed into a crappy neighborhood long ago. Shuttered malls and empty store fronts. Depressing area.
Perfect. Find a depressed place where the economically distressed can vent their economic frustration at EXACTLY the wrong target.
that was already some by Jews in NYC ( using taxpayers money no less). Nothing happened. Again proving Americans are sheep and who is really in control.
I thought the two heavily rifle-armed "terrorists" in body armor were actually shot and killed by a 1 glorified meter maid with a handgun.
If I was a bloodythirsty raghead, Texas would the LAST place I'd go for martyrdom. When will they learn that the soft, gun-grabbing 'progressive' cities like NYC, Chi-congo, or San Fran make for the softest targets?
isn't zionism the worship of fiat? with usery as the plate passed around the parish?
We, have been forewarned to "beware of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Yet, even the "elect" have been deceived, whether they are "evangelicals" hoodwinked by the "conservatives" who really don't believe what they say (not even sure what conservative really means) or the Social Gospelite do-gooders that turn a blind eye to foolish "liberal/progressivism" for the sake of spiting the evangelicals. Few, if any, will escape the apostasy, as it has many faces. Oh, "that we may gain a heart of wisdom."
Start numbering the days.
the supposed 'christian' and 'jewish' banskters ruling our world all seem to be pretty luciferian if you ask me. maybe it will be better to go right to the source.
Sure, I just usually point out they are sociopaths. Which is relevant, because there is no cure for sociopathy (compared to Luciferianism, of which one could theoretically be 'cured')
The beauty of it all is that if the NSA/FBI wasn't so inundated with exabits of data and time wasted shifting it due to spying on every American citizen, and focused only on those of interest, they'd be actually effective.
Its like 2 mile wide net with 1ft holes, to catch minnows.
There will be more attacks until Congress extends The Patriot Act.
This is one piss-poor operation then - as a tax paying US citizen that wants to be properly freightened I DEMAND better work from my government! At least give me a body count to work with! You know, some times things are what they are, your tinfoil hat notwithstanding.
"Freightened," now there's a word I haven't heard since...well, never actually! :>D
Since everyone likes to use "False Flag", I thought I'd grab the definition from Wikipedia. Just because the media over sensationalizes everything from riots to rain, doesn't make the event a false flag.
False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. Geraint Hughes uses the term to refer to those acts carried out by "military or security force personnel, which are then blamed on terrorists."[1]
Or in this case, acts carried out by "mind-controlled, brainwashed patsies", which are then blamed on terrorists.
The tinfoil lays squarely on the heads of the clowns that believe Uncle Fraud isn't trying to get the American public to condone another all out war.
The tinfoil is on the clowns that believe that we MUST go to the middle east in order to stop this threat when Uncle Fraud is importing them by the 100s of thousands and maintains an open border.
The tinfoil belongs to the people that can not put these absurdly easy, to piece together clues, into a nice tight little package that shows that Uncle Fraud is neither benign or benevolent.
The fact that Jade Helm is focused ON Texas and this event hapening NOW is no coincidence.. which has given me pause to wonder if Pamela Geller is in on it. why did she choose Texas for this event .. why not Baltimore or MIami ..something STINKS here .. this is not coincidence.... I have never never had a good feeling about Geller .. another CIA cum Mossad asset is likely . anyone with half a brain would have had her ILL thought out 'contest' draw a cartoon of Mohammed deal elsewhere... maybe the tin foil hat is too tight . . again something stinks.. maybe they will finally close the border. only WE will not be able to get out. Sounds like the playbook for Benghazi .. the guy arrested for his cartoonish movie about Mohammed . the attack on Benghazi blamed on THAT . I wish they would come up with some new ideas.. HEY Langley or whomever . time to get in the guys from Elysium or Bourned SUpremacy to think up a NEW scenario . like the movie Eecutive DEcision which gave us a pretty good idea how 911 'terrorists' went about their attack using aircraft . foiled in time by Kurl Russel of course. . .NOT this time.
Why there?
Because it's the exact same location where the Muzzies had an Islamophobia rally/recuitment meeting in January.
Executive Decision = best Steven Seagal movie ever!
Not so much a False flag, as a PR move for COPS.
Pat Sajak: "For $500, name the organization that just helped US cops look good in keeping us safe"
Contestant: "Pat, I'd like to buy a Vowel. 'I'"
Pat: "There are 2 I's"
Contestant: "The letter 'S'"
Pat: "There are 2 S's"
Contestant: ISIS!
Sure, governments commit false flags. But a bunch of people also hate our guts. We create them, and often times, we fund them. It's a mad, mad world.
"Here we go again, another false flag."
Actually, in this particular case, I'm inclined to think not. Why? Because of the sheer, overwhelming, screaming ineptitude of it.
I mean, seriously, if you are going to plan some kind of a false-flag terror attack, wouldn't you try to come up with a plan that results in a slightly more effective outcome against your target? The only thing this tag-team was missing was Curly; well, considering their overall level of competence, more like Shemp. No, actually, more like Joe DeRita, now that I really think about it...
"On Sunday evening, two men were shot and killed outside the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas where a cartoon contest was underway featuring depictions of the prophet Mohammed. "
Thank you Garland PD.
Now ladies and gentleman, don't forget to carry your Glocks when you leave home this morning. There are nasty people who you need to protect yourself from.
If you don't have a CCW get one.
"On Sunday evening, two men were shot and killed outside the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas where a cartoon contest was underway featuring depictions of the prophet Mohammed. "
Thank you Garland PD.
Now ladies and gentleman, don't forget to carry your Glocks when you leave home this morning. There are nasty people who you need to protect yourself from.
If you don't have a CCW get one.
I am sure both these schmucks were on the federal lunch program, clothed and fed by the same country they tried to harm.
Is it your job to act as if these events have some reality other than the psyop that it is?
One cop with a handgun, two of them with ak's and body armor cop drops them both. May want to train up goatfuckers..
2 more cockroaches have been stepped on - squish! Well done. Get'em all...fucking scum Islamists.
our brains are being trained to hate. hate on baby, hate the mutherfuckers to death.
same game, new enemy. thanks for all your brain train hate the mussies enemy the gubb created just for our consumption.
the plan unfolds, patriot act in play. roll out amendments to lock dowm merica. bye bye liberty...
We are being conditioned to hate everyone EXCEPT the ones who are orchestrating this mess.
exactly!!!!!!!!!! think clearly, the enemy within walks to the podium...
And then sez... :>D
TV and Hollywood always doing their part. F them.
Why propaganda? Because it works.
of course it works. propaganda is effective because it's tailored to the way brains are "wired". which is heavely dependent on language patterns, customs and of course culture
just recently I picked up this little piece out of Alexis de Toqueville's "Democracy in America, Vol. 2"
"In the United States Christian sects are infinetely diversified and perpetually modified; but Christianity itself is a fact so irresistibly established, that no one undertakes either to attack or to defend it. The Americans, having admitted the principal doctrines of the Christian religion without inquiry, are obliged to accept in like manner a great number of moral truths originating in it and connected with it. Hence the activity of individual analysis is restrained within narrow limits, and many of the most important of human opinions are removed from the range of its influence"
read very carefully. you see where propaganda finds it's best target, here?
hate? are you kiddin, all real texans love isis terrorist, i mean how often do you get to shoot live targets with no civil liberties repercussions? hell i might just move to texas.
You are pointing to the pawns not the real scum bags who live in DC . and because of incompetence or on purpose. .. set these things up . closig the border and being more careful about who you let into this counry would HELP . but no they keep the Sauid express visa system . refugee system and borders open and encourage the jihadis to come here .. or like the Somalis of Minnesota .. they go wherever and become suicide bombers... now this Texas thing .. . just in time for Jade Helm to take over .. now they might close the borders after someone lets off a nuke in Austin or Dalls or San Antonio ..
Of course I am pointing to pawns.. I am as on board with ridding our society of counterfeiting bankster scum as any of you. That does not preclude me from taking some measure of satisfaction in seeing evil pawns shot.. I am a big boy I can entertain multiple thoughts at one time..
Texas... where "gun control" means hitting what you aim at...
Local Garland PD Officer cut the X ring on two attackers with AK's. Not too shabby Garland PD Officer, not too shabby. Maybe the NYPD ought to get a little more time at the range.
I wonder if this First Amendment Rights exercise had signs denying people their Second Amendment Right?
If it's harsh enough it might take two texans with guns to shoot'em. Bring it on.
Texas: 1
ISIS: 0
You idiots, Texas is armed to the teeth. They are also America's enemy number one. Right after Utah.
Meanwhile, no identification of the traffic cop who was the only armed cop outside the building. He probably disobeyed orders by going outside to smoke a cigarette while all the other fat SWAT cops in desert camouflage outfits were inside the school building. Now that traffic cop figures he is a target for those behind the attack. An attack aided by the police not setting up a security perimeter, not restricting entrance to the parking lot and failing to have armed security at the building entrance and on the rooftop. Except for that one traffic cop, no armed security at all outside. Unbelievable.
No cop wanted to be outside and get shot first. They were hunkered down under cover. THey were probably scared of getting shot or blown up at a checkpoint.
they keep getting police to obey false situations, but one day, cops will regret that because the betrayal coming will threaten their families very lives.
Perhaps the ISIS guys committed a traffic or parking violation, and the 'traffic cop' decided to do the job he was hired to do. Hard to give a ticket when indoors.
Perhaps only one (the right one!) was needed! :>D
Especially since the event was clearly a gun-totin 'murikan's wet dream meant as a poke in the eye of the "muzzies." Art my ass. They knew what they were doing--which is why the fucking cops were there to begin with.
The cops sure as hell didn't take the risk seriously . . . like most ignorant rednecks with badges, just standing around bullshitting with one another when they should be working. Likewise for the dumbass organizers of the event.
A lot of people would have been killed by competent attackers.
Wonder if there were orders NOT to set up a perimeter, by any chance . . .
See my reply below.
So it was a trap with very sharp teeth. Thanks for the facts.
You might wanna bone up on the story a little before shooting you mouth off.
Cop was the very first line of the security perimeter AND was blocking access to the parking lot.
Cop was NOT the only armed cop outside the building. Additional armed security WAS outside, surrounding the building. That was the next level of security that would have to have been defeated before even getting inside, where there was additional layers of security.
Event was NOT in a school building. Was at an event center on school property. The exact same building where the Muzzies had their Islamophobia rally in January. That's why the event was held there.
The event planners had anticipated the possibility of trouble, and planned accordingly. Not only were off duty Garland officers working the event, as they often do, but the planners paid an extra 10 grand for enhanced security from the city. Every, and I mean EVERY, enhancement suggested by the cops was implemeted.
You got your facts so wrong, I gotta assume you're doing it on purpose.
YOu do not GET it but you will . USA USA USA . just before they screw you . and THEY are not these idiots of GArland attack... spooky how clueless AMericans are ..
Just in time for Jade Helm. What a surprise!
are elton and nadir even real people or stock photos? we have no way of knowing. instead, we are expected to just believe what we are told.
this thng smells of a weak and amaturish FF event.
Are you real or is this comment matrix generated?
exactly.
To me, you both look like a collection of black and white photons!
how perceptive.
I'll be the first to admit I am not an avatar.
look at it this way-just means we can close down Homeland Security Agency afterall-right?
I mean what exactly are they doing other than decorating their federal pensions?
Meanwhile the fudgepacker keeps its nappy head buried in the sandtrap about the radical terrorists muslims. That will solve it
Why do i feel like I'm being set up!!!
WHY....WHY...WHY....!!!!
Imagine a world without religion.
Amen.
Amen
Is prayer allowed on ZH?
I like you, vince, but please get off it. no one on ZH is disallowing anything.
My bad.
/irony /sarc
reality based views are welcome, and it is the reality of god which unfortunately gets falsely associated with manufactured religions. In a contest, jesus religions have less drawbacks.
Imagine a world where everyone loved one another and lived by the tenets put forth in the New Testament. That would be much better than a world without any religioin, as witnessed by the atrocities performed under Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot to name just a few.Let me also suggest that far too many crimes committed by self-described 'Christians' go directly against what Christ preached.
All men are religious. If you watch Nascar every weekend, you're religious. If you come to ZH every day, you're religious. The idea that only people that go to church on Sunday are religious is really silly. Imagine people practicing a religion of peace and love. Not war and hate as so many today do.
Yes. Prayer is allowed i.e. not restricted by the Law (unlike certain types of speech). ZH webservers are resident in canton Zürich.
http://www.iclrs.org/content/blurb/files/Switzerland.1.pdf
Religion and the Secular State in Switzerland
III. CONSTITUTIONAL AND POLITICAL CONTEXT
After the counties had held the church sovereignty during the Ancien Régime, the framers of the federal state of 1848 abstained from stipulating a federal competence in this field. According to the effective Federal Constitution (hereafter “Constitution”), which entered into force in 2000, the following applies: The relationship between the churches and the state is governed by the cantons. The federal state itself does not have a religion and does not favor any religion. On this level, the state and religion are in principle separated. The preamble of the Federal Constitution indeed starts with the invocation of God (“In the name of God Almighty!”). This is supposed to point out the existence of a higher power besides the people and the state. The invoked God must not only be understood in its Christian meaning; nor shall thus be founded a Christian state. The separation of the state and religion is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, but is derived from the freedom of religion which is protected directly on the level of the Constitution like the other fundamental rights. According to Article 15 of the Constitution, the freedom of religion and conscience is guaranteed.
In Switzerland, apart from the freedom of religion, which has been developed by the Swiss Supreme Court, the majority of the state church law is cantonal law. Therefore, with 26 cantons, we have 26 different systems of state church law. Politicians adhere to the cantonal sovereignty in this matter; this policy finds its justification in the small-area spaces and the considerable linguistic and cultural differences between the cantons. However, the basic allocation of competences cannot prevent the Confederation from legislating on religiously relevant issues like pastoral care in the army, development aid, or asylum and refugee laws.
Swiss Laws do also protect religious beliefs from "base attacks", through, for example, Article 261 of their Criminal Code
in short, that lady that encouraged with prizes to draw those cartoons? if she had done that in your Zürich, she'd be in court, now
so in general the Swiss find ways to prohibit minarets but allow mosques, to prohibit "incitements to hate and violence" while giving shelter to.... ZeroHedge
I think it would have to be a rather explicit incitement to violence, and not just denigration (of which there are many examples in various recognized and sanctioned scriptures). Article 261 is federal legislation whereas Article 15 of the federal Constitution is rather explicit in the protections it lays out. Regardless it would be a good excuse to have lunch with an old friend who is now a reserve judge and ask for a referral to an appropriate specialist;) and then let them make the problem go away... either immediately in the Federal Courts, or by Removal to Cantonal Court. In America there can be removal from Federal to State Court, but the Federal Supremacy is greater, so the opportunities for pitting sovereigns against each other for your own benefit are fewer (unless you are a billionaire oligarch). And if you were to attempt to unjustly use the Swiss Courts to punish another's lawful profession of religious conviction - you might very well be bankrupted for your efforts (unless you are a billionaire oligarch).
Art 15
1 Freedom of religion and conscience is guaranteed.
2 Every person has the right to choose freely their religion or their philosophical convictions, and to profess them alone or in community with others.
3 Every person has the right to join or to belong to a religious community, and to follow religious teachings.
4 No person may be forced to join or belong to a religious community, to participate in a religious act, or to follow religious teachings.
I'm citing Article 261 because it expressly protects the right to freedom of belief and cult from "base derision and provocation"
now, drawing a cartoon is one thing. but organizing a contest... a completely different matter. it's planned act. and with repetitions it would start to draw fire from all the articles about "keeping the peace"
But organizing a contest is not an exercise of religious profession. So I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.
Never mind, I reread your post, I was talking of the Right to Pray at ZH, and I completely missed your detour into the more limited Freedom of Speech.
The restrictions aren't that great because they do have to comply with Article 36 (but Religion has the added protection/flexibility of being the domain of the Cantons)
Art. 36 Restrictions on fundamental rights
1 Restrictions on fundamental rights must have a legal basis. Significant restrictions must have their basis in a federal act. The foregoing does not apply in cases of serious and immediate danger where no other course of action is possible.
2 Restrictions on fundamental rights must be justified in the public interest or for the protection of the fundamental rights of others.
3 Any restrictions on fundamental rights must be proportionate.
4 The essence of fundamental rights is sacrosanct.
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So legal protections for orchestrating False Flags can be harder to come by in Switzerland... (if only that actually kept the US gov't out).
well, yes, I think it's relevant. particularly if you are not a part of a congregation you have to keep civil about them. Roman/Napoleonic/Continental standard stuff - which dictators had to remove, of course
does not apply to Nuland, the EU isn't a faith or a church (except for a handful of misguideds, of course)
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a false flag would be only possible under the authority of a General of The Swiss Army, their Roman-style Dictator during military Emergencies (like WWI and II)
good trick, that one: you put the authority under one hat, and then you keep that hat locked as tight as your assault rifle
I remember walking through a park in Switzerland that was littered with syringes everywhere. I thought they had a needle exchange program. Anyway, I saw this guy whom, I thought was doing Tai Chi. It was a heroin junkie falling down. I just kept walking.
it was a Police Experiment. it went on for years, and was highly publicised through immense european TV coverage. strange country, Switzerland, Police Commissioners get a lot of leeway on how to manage their forces. this guy declared this one public park as the one and only spot where he would not prosecute drug crimes
since Switzerland prohibits a federal police, he could enforce his "non-enforcement zone", complete with police CCTVs (and all the misery a TV camera team could wish for)
lots of discussions about that, but at the end the political view became that it become too famous, and so generated "Hard Drug Tourism" from all over the EU
But we replaced "Hard Drug Tourism" with "Death Tourism" and "Naked Tourism"
eh? I heard/read about the suicide thing, but naked? FKK? Are we still talking about Hobbitland, the favourite of the Indians?
One Canton has now banned it (Appenzell Innerrhoden - famously) because there were so many outsiders doing it. Since it's not my thing I don't know about the others. BrokusDickusMaximus' junkie is now (and always was) a sunbather (M or F) on the few nice days we get out here in the hills. I hear the urban gay community pushes the line between the right to be naked in public and the prohibition on indecency, in the parks and at certain beaches. Perhaps, if you're lucky the next time you're here you can swing by one of the actual Hobbit Homes and a catch a photo of the place with a scantily clad Gartenzwerge in the yard and a naked hiker trolling by in the background ... unfortunately your idyllic image Hobbitland would be forever altered.
UR, here I disagree. Two words: Continental "Mores". Ok, I do switch from "Speedos" to "swimming trunks" when family/friends visits from the US
nevertheless, I find nakedness less offensive then tattoos, for example. in fact, a naked person is the least offensive, aggressive sight, imho
Somehow it would probably more fucked than one would imagine. Kinda like when the teacher leaves the classrooom and the bully starts giving everybody wedgies.
Yes
Unfortunately, too many clowns don't know how to act without the threat of some deity looming in the clouds watching over them and some equally evil bastard beneath the surface pining to take their soul FOR ALL OF ETERNITY!!!
Where would we be without these two ?
Ha, Too funny, the religious zealots are trying to condemn you to hell with their thumbs down. THAT will teach you a lesson to "disbelieve".
You don't seem to know much about how to act yourself. But my read is not the God is threatening you with the Devil, He is threatening you with yourself. You can have all of the evil that is inside you, you just can't have that and real fellowship with anyone else.
"Imagine a world without religion."
Absolutely! Tens of millions murdered - many orders of magnitude more than all religions combined - by political ideologies that have outlawed religions. See Mao, Stalin, et al for proof.
Yes, imagine a world without religion - just murderous, brutal, dictators to enforce their laws against religion.
I'll take religion...
Jews killed The God. Killed, The God.
Matthew 23 : 33
" You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? "
Yes, they were very instrumental in helping complete Christ's plan. That is, of course, if you believe all of that stuff.
the whole issue is another believer forcing their beliefs upon a non believer. that force ultimately results in someone killing someone else. i think we call that war. call it religion if you want, but humans will always try to control other humans by whatever device they find most effective. fiat, religion, democracy, chains, and barrel of gun to name a few...
So I see that you're not familiar with the history of the spread of Christianity and Islam, the Crusades, the Reformation and Counter Reformation, etc., etc., etc.
So I see you're not familiar with the fact that, historically speaking- atheists have more blood on their hands than nominal "christians"?
The top three largest examples are thought to be the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of witches. These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christendom.
The single largest killer in all of human history is, by far, atheistic Communism with a total of 110,000,000 … over 1/3 of all people ever killed! If we add to that number just two other regimes where religion of any sort was strongly discouraged, Nazi Germany and Nationalist China, the number rises to 141,160,000.
Almost 50% of all the killings in human history were committed in the past 100 years by
regimes that either actively promoted atheism or strongly discouraged religion.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder
http://scholarscorner.com/content/atheisms-body-count-ideology-and-human...
https://peschken.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/christianity-has-not-killed-mo...
Incidentally, as Smedley Butler said- all wars are bankers wars.
And which nation has adopted the perpetual war because there is a boogeyman behind every tree and sand dune?
Oh yeah, that would be a Christian one wouldn't it? Your point is invalid.
It's the internet- so you're entitled to make up your own "facts", right?
A nominally "christian" one, not a Christian one, loon.
Perhaps you're unaware of how Christianity has been engineered out of society beginning with the schools in the 1960's. There's a massive drop in church attendance replaced by the Mega-Shill churches promoting the NWO one world religion.
No one should push their beliefs on another but should be free to choose. That too is being extinguished.
The Satanists are behind the modern communist and athiest movements.
Which is pretty clever on their part, since both of those attack their enemies.
Mass murder, beheadings, WWIII, Satan laughing spreads his wings......
Perhaps you should judge religions based on their foundational documents. Atrocities committed by self-described 'Christians' had no basis in the Christian scriptures. The Quran, on the other hand, seems to delight in expanding Islam by force. Judge individuals and groups by their observed behavior; comparing that behavior to the teachings of their foundational documents. Humans can distort just about anything good and turn it into evil actions, and turn evi ideas into even more horrendous actions.
"The Quran, on the other hand, seems to delight in expanding Islam by force"
look, if you want to criticise Islam today where it hurts most, then you have to go into the treatment of Apostasy in Islamic Countries
there you'll find serious issues, not in all those theories on War or Peace, where Christianity and Islam have loooong lists of mutual atrocities to boast about
I don't doubt your statements. But how about if one just focuses on the atrocities of the past 100, or so, years? Personally, I don't go into a tizzy over things that people did 1500 years ago.
Insha'allah
Imagine a world without pussies who will not confront evil yet allow it to flourish for various multiculti reasons disguising their true wimpy status.
yeah right. Humans only do the right thing for one of two reasons-
love of God -or fear of their fellow man.
Given that it takes sociopsychopaths to instill the latter -i'll take the first any day
This is one good reason to read ZH. I get my Sunday School lesson done before early Sunday morning just before class.
No religion .... just death cults .... like Islam ?
I could have won that cartoon contest by drawing a beard on a turd.
Meh. Nothing that giving up a few more rights won't fix.
EMP! EMP!
lying to the fbi is a crime unless your name is corzine, blanfein, or paulson in which case the agents drop to their knees and start sucking banker cock.
I sell nailgun insurance, we should talk.