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Solving California's Drought: From Iceberg-Towing To Bumper Stickers

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Having faced up to the dreadful reality of a dust-bowl-esque California, and following Governor Jerry Brown's mandatory water restrictions, The LA Times reports a growing list of 'plans' to solve the state's water shortage is growing. From innovations to insanity - from iceberg-towing to biodegradable towels and from 'water pipelines' to bumper stickers - officials have cataloged more than 170 messages containing suggestions and received untold more in emails, phone calls and public meetings.

 

With the drought threatening every aspect of Californians' lives — how long they stay in the shower and what food they eat — it's not surprising that so many have opinions on how to handle the problem. In a sense, The LA Times reports, people are responding to a rallying cry from Brown, who has repeatedly cited the state's history on the cutting edge of new technology and saying the dry spell "will stimulate incredible innovation."

But this is not the first time this has happened as a flood of drought-busting proposals is nothing new for California, where dry periods are a recurring phenomenon.

During a parched spell in 1976 and 1977, the state opened a Resources Evaluation Office, which responded to 4,400 letters, telegrams and postcards offering ideas. Many people wanted to complain about neighbors wasting water, according to a 1978 state report.

 

 

"Writers promised to end the drought for a price, usually to be paid in advance," the report said. "A few writers stated that it rained wherever they went for their vacations and offered to vacation in California if the state would pay their bills."

 

The report said hundreds of people suggested importing snow from the East Coast. The state actually calculated what it would take to use snow to make up the deficit in water supply: Every train tank car in the country would have needed to make 500 trips, for a total cost of $437 billion.

And now in 2015, the pitches run the gamut.

Would the state like to invest in biodegradable towels that don't need to be washed with water? What about covering reservoirs to prevent evaporation? Why aren't more desalination plants being built?

 

One person suggested a water pipeline from Alaska, an idea also offered by William Shatner. The "Star Trek" actor's proposal was more modest, reaching only to Seattle.

 

The suggestions are recorded and categorized, such as "water supply — solar water purifier" or "conservation idea(s) — leak detection technology." Some are forwarded to the state water board for review.

 

"There could be good ideas here," said Nancy Vogel, a spokeswoman for the California Natural Resources Agency. "We don't want to miss out."

 

Almost none of the pitches have been successful, officials said. The state isn't in the business of investing in towels, and experts say a Shatner-esque pipeline isn't feasible. One of the more popular suggestions, desalination of ocean water, is already being pursued in San Diego, although it has not been embraced as a silver bullet because of concerns about cost and environmental effects.

 

The "cheapest, smartest, fastest" way to address the drought is for Californians to use less water, Felicia Marcus, chairwoman of the state water board, has said.

 

Still, Dave Todd, who works on drought issues at the Department of Water Resources, said the state is keeping an open-door policy for new ideas. For example, when someone reached out to discuss irrigation technology, Todd put him in touch with a laboratory at Cal State Fresno.

"They're being good citizens in trying times," Todd said. "We don't want to discourage people from thinking outside the box."

Some go way outside the box. Todd said one man sketched out a plan for changing the weather by aiming abandoned airplane engines at the sky.

 

It wasn't clear exactly how that would work, Todd said. "His physics were obviously way beyond mine."

 

Some ideas are more grandiose. "Is there someone with whom I can speak about a project that will be approximately the scope of the Central Water Project, and perhaps save civilization?" David Newell, a 79-year-old retired engineer who lives in Sacramento County, wrote in November. He also conceded, "I sound nuts."

 

The suggestion involved "the direct air capture of CO2 utilizing endorheic basin alkaline deposits" (essentially, pulling pollutants out of the sky in areas with high concentrations of certain minerals).

 

Other ideas are modest. Ethan Rotman, who runs an education program for the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, suggested bumper stickers, to be placed on unwashed cars, "transforming them from being a visual blight to hero status."

 

His email last June received a form letter in response, as most of the senders do.

 

"It seemed like a brilliant idea to me," said Rotman, 55, of Marin County. "Maybe my marketing was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a brilliant idea. I don't know."

What about iceberg towing?

As for iceberg towing, the email last month came from Allen Fuhs, who is retired from teaching at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey.

 

 

In 1977, he attended a conference on the topic at landlocked Iowa State University sponsored by a Saudi prince who was interested in new water supplies for the Middle East. The prince even footed the bill to fly a chunk of iceberg from Alaska (it cost $7,500 — close to $30,000 in today's dollars).

 

In an interview, Fuhs suggested testing the concept with a demonstration tow that would bring an iceberg from Alaska to the Bay Area.

 

Asked if he had heard from state officials, Fuhs, 87, said no. But "I'd sure love to have an opportunity to make a presentation."

"Well, it's entertaining," said Nancy Vogel, a spokeswoman for the California Natural Resources Agency.

The problem remains

 

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Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:26 | 6075951 CarpetShag
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:36 | 6075982 SafelyGraze
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6075996 MonetaryApostate
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Greenhousing & Free Energy FTW?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:45 | 6076002 El Vaquero
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1)  Look at the largest form of human use of water in the state.  (farming)

2) Mark water prices to market for EVERYBODY.

3) Introduce farmers to more drought tolerent crops and drought tolerant methods, and let them sink or swim based on market rates.

4) More local farming outside of CA so that we're not putting all of our eggs in one basket.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:56 | 6076029 remain calm
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I don't believe the water shortage problem, but I am willing to help. In fact, I am Fed Ex'ing my piss to Gov Brown daily, I suggest we all do it. He can recycle it or pour it on himself, whatever his little heart desires.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:57 | 6076045 falconflight
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Careful, the statutes now would cite such an action as a  biological WMD attack.  Here in NC, possession of a silencer is a WMD.  No shit.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:32 | 6076130 TBT or not TBT
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Meanwhile, silencers only work on tv and movies, whereas suppressors, here in the real world, just render firearms a tad less painfully LOUD.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:39 | 6076142 El Vaquero
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It also depends on what the suppressor is on.  On a 22 with subsonic ammo, yes, they can be darn quiet.  Anything that spits a projectile out at supersonic speeds is going to make noise no matter how quiet the muzzle report is because the bullet makes a sonic boom.  I've had countless bullets fly over my head in the pitts at various ranges, and they crack about as loud as a 22 being fired when they pass overhead.  Then you hear the report of the rifle. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:53 | 6076170 TBT or not TBT
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Agreed, but most of the time when you shoot a person with a 22, they make a lot of noise, for hours.   Not stealthy.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:57 | 6076178 El Vaquero
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LOL!  Yes, groaning tends to attract attention.

 

Several years ago, I was reading something that a coroner had written about most of the bodies that came across his office who were killed by gunshot wounds.  He said that most of them were either shot multiple times by something small, like a 22, or they were shot with something bigger, like a 357mag.  He said he didn't see the guys who had been shot once with a 9mm nearly as often because most of them survived. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:13 | 6076210 Oh regional Indian
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If you do not leave Agenda 21 areas yourself (Bohemian Grove needs a few thousand hectares of Redwood MOAR)..then you will be either:

1) Police Brutalitied out

2) Burnt out

3) Droughted out

4) Poisoned out

5) MSM assisted Fear-porned out

6) Immigrated out

Faustain bar-gains....

But here, on the other hand, some serious gentleness: 19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzESrhRrkTI

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:45 | 6076418 knukles
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I like the bumper sticker solution best.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:02 | 6076779 Fish Gone Bad
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Eminent domain a large swath of land from the Pacific ocean to Nevada and build a massive canal to fill Death Valley with water. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:40 | 6076857 MontgomeryScott
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Dear Kalifornia,

I'd really like to help you out with your issues.

In the late 1970's and 1980's, there was this guy who used his country's oil riches to build the world's largest and most successful irrigation system, and turned his nation's desert into a veritable paradise of crop-producing land. Lots of people thought that it was a really great achievement (including the people of his nation). Perhaps you could get ahold of him and ask him for advice. I think he's somewhere over in Northern Africa, right next to Egypt.

Oh, fuck.

I forgot.

You CAME, you SAW, he DIED. Yeah, smart-bombed and air-raided and stuff. Destroyed the entire infrastructure of that country, as well. SAY, don't they make alot of those weapons and planes right there in Southern Kalifornia? YEAH, YOU. VOTES FOR OBAMA AND HILLARY won the 'selection', and cast the die of your ultimate fate. Fetid cocksuckers...

I changed my mind.

Dear Kalifornia,

FUCK YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL. LICK THE INK OFF OF THE FIAT CURRENCY YOU EARNED, DESTROYING NATIONS. SLAKE YOUR THIRST FOR POWER AND RICHES WITH THE ASHES AND SAND OF DEAD COUNTRIES. DESALINATE THE RADIOACTIVE PACIFIC AND DIE SLOWLY FROM RADIATION SICKNESS.

(Was that too harsh?)

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 20:02 | 6076893 Paveway IV
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Yes, it was. Stop using that stupid 'K' in California - it's not funny any more.

The rest of it looks pretty good, though.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 21:29 | 6077065 MontgomeryScott
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It's pronounced "Ka-lih-Foh'-niah", actually.

MARIA, COME HEAH! KWEEK, GRAAB MY HAAND! ARGHHHHH....

YOUR GOVERNATOR is calling!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLR-8c11ms

Ol' Moonbeam is doing a better job, these days, though, isn't he?

NO, IT'S NOT FUNNY. IT'S FUCKING TRAGIC.

STUPID, however, isn't a word that equates. You seem to be IGNORANT of the reasons behind the usage. I am neither 'stupid' (in the classical sense of the definition of retardation), nor 'ignorant' of the facts surrounding the politics and self-debasement of the population (in general) of so-called (former) 'Republic' of California. I'm sorry if you live there; or have any empathy or sympathy for those still there, my Kalifornicated Komrade.

'Californication', by the 'Red Hot Chili Peppers':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQYJRw4R4-Q

 

It USED to be a nice place (mostly). NOW, however, it is corrupted.

 

 

 

Sun, 05/10/2015 - 05:03 | 6077581 Alvin Fernald
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Weather modification seems a likely reason CA is experiencing drought.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-drought-catastrophe-target...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:55 | 6076038 falconflight
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Cogent and concise, but that isn't the currency of intellect driving the debate or policy.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:39 | 6076143 TheMeatTrapper
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2) Mark water prices to market for EVERYBODY.

This. If everyone had to pay fair market value for their water, misallocation would disappear and the most efficient use of scarce resources would occur via the free market. 

Of course, we don't have free markets and nobody wants to face reality, so the can kicking will go on  - until it can't. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:43 | 6076151 El Vaquero
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And the other stuff that I posted isn't consistent with large scale corporate agriculture.  So it won't happen, if ever, until there is no other choice.  We've got the best government that money can buy.  The problem is, we, the people, aren't the ones that did the buying. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:57 | 6076179 TBT or not TBT
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We the stockholders, and We the public sector unions, abide. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:51 | 6076355 ZD1
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In May 2007, a Federal District Court Judge ruled that increased amounts of water had to be re-allocated towards protecting the Delta smelt – a three-inch fish on the Endangered Species List. 

In California, it takes about 1.1 gallons of water to grow an almond; 1.28 gallons to flush a toilet; and 34 gallons to produce an ounce of marijuana. But how many gallons are needed to save a three-inch delta smelt, the cause célèbre of environmentalists and bête noire of parched farmers?

To protect smelt from water pumps, government regulators have flushed 1.4 TRILLION gallons of water into the San Francisco Bay since 2008. That would have been enough to sustain 6.4 million Californians for six years. 

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/us/threatened-smelt-touches-off-battle...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/forget-the-missing-rainfall-california-where...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:56 | 6076439 knukles
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BTW, the Department of Whatever Nonsense Is To Be Pursued for Some Odd Nonsensical Purpose Today reported just the other day that this year, there are basically no smelt left in the river delta in spite of the flooding with fresh water.

MOAR smelt.  That's the new Tee-Shirt with HC's picture on it!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:33 | 6077209 Dickweed Wang
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34 gallons to produce an ounce of marijuana.

NO WAY!  Waterlogged weed???

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:27 | 6076378 californiagirl
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I wonder if AL Gore's Montecito ocean-view mansion still has sprawling, lush green lawns?

http://m.zimbio.com/pictures/aTgN_H8RWtH/Al+Tipper+Gore+New+House+Montec...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:30 | 6077203 Dickweed Wang
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More local farming outside of CA so that we're not putting all of our eggs in one basket.

There was a time when most of the produce grown in California was grown throughout the southern USA.  Big AG consolidated their operations there in the middle of the last century to the detriment of the country . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:49 | 6076016 NoDebt
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I have a modest proposal:  How about you turn off the damned water sprinklers needed to grow all those K-31 tall fescue lawns in the middle of the desert?  They may look nice, but there's really not the kind of grass that it's fun to walk across in bare feet anyway.  Perhaps consider rejecting the next application to build a golf course as well.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6075997 TBT or not TBT
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I'm stacking physical, not paper, almonds.  This is easy to play, with 1G= 1 almond.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:52 | 6076025 NoDebt
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Almonds don't stand a chance of penetrating Class II body armor.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:01 | 6076060 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah but you can defeat stilsuits with a toy air rifle, or thumbtacks, for up close work.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:02 | 6076189 El Vaquero
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Thumbtacs:  TBT or not TBT's Gom Jabbar!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:11 | 6076209 TBT or not TBT
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The slow tack penetrates the shield.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:21 | 6076233 El Vaquero
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In East LA, you cannot use shields.  They drive the worms into a frenzy.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:32 | 6076263 TBT or not TBT
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And with proper media coverage, that drives up popcorn sales, but also nut sales.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:08 | 6076199 j reuter
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I freelance over th? internet and earn about 80-85$ an hour. I was without a job for 7 months but last month my paycheck with big fat bonus was $15000 just working on my computer from my home for 5-6 hours. Here's what i have been doing... www.jobs-review.com

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:27 | 6077198 Dickweed Wang
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Here's what i have been doing...

Jerking off with your thumb up your ass . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:26 | 6075953 HonkyShogun
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Maynard from Tool had a good suggestion for them: flush it.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:34 | 6075977 Bananamerican
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allow complete unfettered immigration from mexico/south america, then recycle these hardy laborers urine

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6076026 falconflight
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Ms. Pelosi and Reid washed their feet, I see no problem with them and their voter base drinking every drop...that is if they are truly tolerant and compassionate...I'll watch from over here and ponder...;)

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:28 | 6075958 DollarMenu
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Washington state faces it's own drought problems.

The eastern/agricultural portion of the state is in a very bad way.

No water there for Cali.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:49 | 6076008 americanreality
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There will be no pipeline rescue.  CA has  hit the limit.  Growth is dead. Why would another community share water with you when all you do is waste your own?  You would be stealing future GROWTH ftom wherever it is that. Sent the water.   Its over and done.  Learn to live with it.  Just don't move.  Please. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:16 | 6076219 Babalooee
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Pipeline dead? First prize is going to whomever guesses the number of times Cadillac Desert will be referenced during the remaining course of 'this affair'. And second prize to those remembering in that same, fine book, now decades old, the bit about the Army Corp of Engineers drawing up plans to drain central BC. And that was back in the 30's I believe. Ho ho, poor old Canada with its two old jeeps and one busted tank. The battle would last seconds, and here all this time Harper has been harping about their trusted and trustful Big Brother. Would almost be worth it, just to see the backpedaling. 

    The amazing thing about the drought is it so wonderfully analogous to the way we humans handle so many of our doings, i.e. environmental and financial to name two

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:54 | 6076311 Icelandicsaga.....
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Remember the SPP of Bush . Harper and Fox .. in the various parts of the SPP held eventual transfer of water from Canada to the lower 48 .. SPP was supposedly deep sixed.. doubt it . some emergency . likely manmade in part . will bring it back.. pictures of the water and oil pipeline system of SPP ..

Threats to Our Water: NAFTA, SPP, Super- Corridors, Atlantica By Janet M Eaton, PhD Created October 2006, Updated May 16, 2007 Threats to Our Water: North.http://slideplayer.com/slide/6510/
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:58 | 6076446 knukles
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Pipeline Dead?
NFW.

 

The federalies will use this for additional Power Grabs under the pretense of National (Food) Security.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:16 | 6076220 Babalooee
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Pipeline dead? First prize is going to whomever guesses the number of times Cadillac Desert will be referenced during the remaining course of 'this affair'. And second prize to those remembering in that same, fine book, now decades old, the bit about the Army Corp of Engineers drawing up plans to drain central BC. And that was back in the 30's I believe. Ho ho, poor old Canada with its two old jeeps and one busted tank. The battle would last seconds, and here all this time Harper has been harping about their trusted and trustful Big Brother. Would almost be worth it, just to see the backpedaling. 

    The amazing thing about the drought is it so wonderfully analogous to the way we humans handle so many of our doings, i.e. environmental and financial to name two

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:29 | 6075961 Took Red Pill
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Conservation is key. If people in CA practiced the mellow yellow rule that would certainly go a long way.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:48 | 6076013 falconflight
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Yes, and let's not forget Sheryl Crow's suggestion, use just one square of tp.  Go ahead

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:56 | 6076041 Millivanilli
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One square a day is surely a recipe for mud butt

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:15 | 6076217 richinSpirit
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You know, when I first heard she said that, I laughed out loud, then thought she was an idiot for years...

...then I ate healthy for a good six months in a row and, I shit you not. I could drop 3 good-sized logs in under 60 seconds and almost never got anything on the toilet paper I did use. That was some healthy shitting.

I started that 6-months at 265lbs, and was still over 240lbs when that was going on, so that was not an 'all vegan, reduced calorie' diet. I just pretty much ate only whole, real foods untill I was good and full, once I spent the first couple months working a bit on some portion control.

Sheryl Crow was right. We eat like ass in this country, and that was her point... ...not our paper consumption or the water used to flush a quarter-roll down the toilet.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:23 | 6076241 TBT or not TBT
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You sure she was saying that with better diet we could save...toilet paper?  Thats even sillier, even if it would reduce toilet paper use.    

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 17:56 | 6076603 knukles
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The Food and Toilet Paper Nazi Express

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:17 | 6076810 MontgomeryScott
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(BAM! BAM! BAM!)

"DROP the Charmin, and come out with your pants down and your HANDS UP!"

(WHAM! CRASH! STOMP-STOMP-STOMP... BLAMBLAMBLAM!)

"Oh, shit, why did you shoot him, Kowalski?"

"He had his hands on the handle...he was gonna FLUSH, for God's sake..."

"Christ, you should have let him! See the size of that log? O.K., it's time for damage control. Kowalski, grab the toilet plunger and wrap his hand around it. He came at you, see, and you had no choice... and for God's sake, flush the fucking toilet!"

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:17 | 6076224 Keynesians say ...
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Or go indian style (middle eastern ones not our friends at the casino) and just wipe your bum with your hand

 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:56 | 6076319 boattrash
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"Yes, and let's not forget Sheryl Crow's suggestion, use just one square of tp.  Go ahead"

...or maybe she was saying, the best thrill she's had lately was when her finger poked through...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6076023 TBT or not TBT
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We could save fully half, of like 1% of water used, and with that 1/2%, become the Saudi Arabia of fresh water(which is Canada, for what it's worth).

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:21 | 6076099 Lore
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Lightheartedly, I was going to post "GO EAST, YOUNG MAN," but seriously, what would be the point? Migration doesn't present the same benefits today that it did in the Dirty Thirties or even the 1990s.  It makes sense that many people in the affected regions should seek greener pastures, but in the present pathological environment, there are no marked regional concentrations of economic opportunity. All levels of society are being squeezed by debt and capital misallocation nationwide.  As this thing escalates, it will be interesting to watch the response by state governments as they wrestle with the need to support their own tax base while responding to demands by their respective constituents to raise the proverbial drawbridge. The longer this drags on, the more pronounced such concern will probably become. Government should provide some sort of incentive to encourage neighboring states to do more to support the nation's agricultural needs. One imagines that such things are addressed routinely by experts in food security.  If you are a person of means, expatriation may be an option, but many will be held back by the usual anchors of family and roots.  Obviously, this is just idle rumination.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:24 | 6077186 Dickweed Wang
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If people in CA practiced the mellow yellow rule . . .

Smoking banana peels???

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:30 | 6075964 B2u
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I got a big boat to tow an iceberg...but the iceberg melted before I got to  California.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 17:57 | 6076056 BuddyEffed
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Icebergs roll occasionally and I wouldn't want to be connected to one that decides to roll.  Plus the cables that would be used for towing would tend to cut and work their way through an iceberg.  As those cuts and channels are made, the iceberg just might split in 2 or 5 or 11 due to those cuts lowering the strength of the iceberg just to be able to hold itself together.  The mass of an iceberg is immense, remember that 9 /10s of it is under water.  The drag from that virtual anchor would make towing difficult and slow.  And that mass is not streamlined so there would be inefficiency.  Plus the extra flow of water around an iceberg would tend to melt it faster. 

Plus, any berg worth towing would be huge, and it would catch a lot of wind like a huge sail, plus the underwater part would be pushed whereever the currents want to take it.  Towing a berg could be as difficult as fighting the FED.

And any large chunks that calf off in warmer water shipping lanes that are left to drift becomes an iceberg hazard in shipping lanes where no iceberg should ever be expected, with huge potential liability.

As an engineer, I am wondering what machinery could even be used to "eat" an iceberg and convert it to drinking water. No matter how you eat it or dismantle it, removing mass is going to change the center of gravity and at anytime it might suddenly roll, or split and roll.  A 100 foot on a side block of ice weighs 62,000,000 pounds.  Any decent size chunk that falls away or shifts or rolls will have a lot of energy that could damage both boats and equipment.  Anything put on top of the berg is likely to be shed off and sent to the sea bottom with any roll.

And 100 feet on an edge really isn't a lot of water.   For California sized problems even 1000 feet on an edge wouldn't be enough.  And that berg would weigh 63 Billion pounds.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 20:15 | 6076923 General Decline
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Excellent commentary.  Thank you

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:21 | 6077184 Dickweed Wang
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And that berg would weigh 63 Billion pounds.

It would make a hell of a lot of Stoli on the rocks though . . . .

Sun, 05/10/2015 - 04:44 | 6077570 Alvin Fernald
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We need more posts like this. Thank you.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:33 | 6075972 B2u
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I had a great idea but I was told that it didn't hold water...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:47 | 6076009 Urban Redneck
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I actually wrote a clear description of an old solution to the current water problem.  Then Tyler's server had a brain fart at the end of April...

The California Natural Resources Agency should really read moar Zerohedge and watch less porn at work.  In this case, they could have actually done their homework and not let the dog get to it.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:36 | 6076139 TBT or not TBT
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The the so cal porn community has stepped up to ban water sports, and to recycle body fluids with less spillage.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:55 | 6076317 AIIB
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Better to be pissed on than to be pissed off...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:36 | 6075980 ted41776
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how about not doing any more "Colorado pulse flow" and dumping hundreds of millions of gallons of fresh water into the ocean?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:38 | 6075988 Duc888
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DESAL plants...... if you're gonna tax the fuck out of everyone there, at least let them benefit from it.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:41 | 6075994 Bighorn_100b
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We lose more water due to old pipes........ Let's start fixing the pipes first.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:16 | 6076222 TBT or not TBT
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Sorry, no budget for that, and we can't borrow for that AND high speed trains too.  This is the hard calculus they do in Sacramento.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:18 | 6077179 Dickweed Wang
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Let's start fixing the pipes first.

Yep, leaky bongs account for about 35% of water waste in California . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6075998 spinone
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How about this:  stop growing iceberg lettuce in the desert.  Thats my proposal.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:06 | 6076081 DollarMenu
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And rice.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:56 | 6076320 AIIB
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So I'm guessing 'riceberg' lettuce is a no-go as........ WELL

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6075999 wmbz
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Icebergs? What icebergs? OwlGore sez they are all gone, so forget that plan.

Question? How many golf courses in Kali have turned brown now?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:21 | 6076237 Keynesians say ...
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Def. not the golfer-in-chief's favorites that's for sure

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:45 | 6076003 Consuelo
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Parchment, followed by the Deluge.   No in between...   

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:45 | 6076004 falconflight
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Water use by residential customers is down about 30% since the 1970's.  Anyway, there is plenty of water for the dwellers of that state.  Maybe, the agricultural sector will just have to shrink a bit.  Much of it is corporate ag anyway.  Maybe, the rest of us will just have to make due without almonds, and grow our own watermelon.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:00 | 6076776 Big Corked Boots
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I was going to post some snarky comment about how I grow some fine watermelons in New Jersey (the Garden State!) except it hasn't rained here in almost a month. Uh-oh.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6076012 WeTheSheeplez
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It's all very simple...

Have Northern Californians Piss in the California Aqueduct just before it's pumped over the Grapevine to southern California...

 

Do I need to add a (sarc)...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:23 | 6076116 Automatic Choke
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we prefer it without the (sarc)

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:50 | 6076302 RichardP
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The water is not pumped over the Grapevine.  It is siphoned, with a gravity push - no pumping involved.  That is the way it was designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueduct

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 18:31 | 6076709 WeTheSheeplez
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So it's True...Southern California really Does SUCK...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:50 | 6076018 q99x2
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ZeroHead had the best idea with the Portland/Seattle pipeline. The ocean doesn't need all that damn water. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:54 | 6076037 NoDebt
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Yeah, him and William Shatner.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:53 | 6076030 JuliaS
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Start rearranging chairs on the Titanic and eventually you'll be looking for icebergs.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:58 | 6076324 AIIB
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But there's moar PROFIT in rearranging the icebergs.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:53 | 6076031 Dragon HAwk
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Why do People who Cut Down Trees for a Living...

  Always Eat their lunch in the Shade.. ( and cry about Drought ) ? if the entire nation would stop cutting grass 2 inches high and plant some low grass native species, think of all the lawnmower gas and labor we would save  trees and grass and shrubbery resperate, they hold water and release it slowly... concrete and parking lots.. not so much.. Answer to their problems are pretty simple.. just ask themselves..ok how was mother nature doing it.. before we started screwing it up..

  the earth will be Fine.. it's mankind that is screwed , George Carlin,

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 18:04 | 6076643 pupdog1
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Manuel Labor, he no like what you say.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 20:20 | 6076930 General Decline
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But what would we do with all the gas powered mexicans?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:15 | 6077174 Dickweed Wang
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But what would we do with all the gas powered mexicans?

No more bean burritos for lunch . . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:58 | 6076047 Totentänzerlied
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I for one can't wait for each and every one of these comically retarded plans to fail, the faster the better. I think Chris Martenson made a good show of what he called, if I recall, problems versus predicaments. California does not have a lack-of-water problem, California has a desertification predicament.

The one solution that is actually a solution and not just an absurdly costly and extremely temporary bandaid, but which will, categorically, never even be seriously discussed let alone proposed, is simply: "make do with less, or leave" or as I'd put it, "adapt or die", though unfortunately deluded all-consuming parasites don't die that easily.

PS: A state whose economy - and population - already relies completely on subsidization to control water prices (because fuck a free market for water, and everything else, right?) is going to function how, exactly, when these pathetic and asinine (reverse-)substitutions drive up the real cost of water by 50% or 100% or  500% in a matter of years? Where will California find the money to cover the cost difference between sinking a few-yard well in your yard vs TOWING IN ICEBERGS FROM THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY.

Next up: the entire southwest, which, sacre fucking bleu, is really truly in fact a desert after all. How many humans wanted to live there prior to home air conditioning and indoor taps?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:13 | 6077172 Dickweed Wang
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Next up: the entire southwest, which, sacre fucking bleu, is really truly in fact a desert after all.

"We have deserts in America but we don't live there  . . . . assholes!!" - Sam Kinison

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 13:59 | 6076057 Ginsengbull
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Fucking Arabs have been living without water for thousands of years.

 

Crybaby liberals, shut up and get a job.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:11 | 6076094 El Vaquero
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And when the oil stops flowing from the ME, a whole bunch of Arabs are going to die. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:42 | 6076149 Ginsengbull
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Not all at once.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:53 | 6076171 El Vaquero
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Stop all oil flow from the Arabian peninsula and I bet you'd see 1950 population levels within a few years. 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:04 | 6076078 Obama LaForge
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How about move?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:08 | 6076091 Obama LaForge
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Or, alternatively, you could riot and burn your own neighborhood down.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 20:23 | 6076938 General Decline
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"Burn your own neigborhood down" - The cause of and solution to all of lifes problems...  Or was that alcohol?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:26 | 6076124 Automatic Choke
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ag really is the issue....all this residential and fracking nonsense is political distraction.

ag needs to be charged market price for water.  give them incentives to switch to lower water crops, to learn high-tech drip irrigation techniques.

the best thing gerry moonbeam can do with tax dollars is to buy a few thousand copies of "Cadillac Desert" by Reisner and pass it around to his staff and key people in the ag industry....that is if they will bother to read it.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:29 | 6076126 Yen Cross
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  We can just lower the price of oil to $3-4 bbl and build desalination plants up and down the coast. </sarc>

  Saudi style...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:53 | 6076172 Ginsengbull
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You can make solar desalination plants very cheaply.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:07 | 6077163 Dickweed Wang
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 . . . and build desalination plants up and down the coast. </sarc>

Saudi style...

And cut off the heads of the Mexicans that fail to work on the plants 20 hours per day . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:32 | 6076128 I Write Code
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It's really simple, take all the H's out of the H2O in ocean water, combine it with all the O2s from CO2 and voila, that will make a milllion ounces of H4O2 (two water moleculios) and voila, no more CO2 and lots of extra C's left over, we can make that into vitamin C and export it to China!  You're welcome.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:41 | 6076148 Ginsengbull
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Make charcoal briquets.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:04 | 6077155 Dickweed Wang
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I hope your code is better than your chemistry!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:34 | 6076133 Yen Cross
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   We could also deflect a comet towards Cali.. Comets are comprised of mostly ice. I'll let the Moonbeam Brown and his crack crew in Sacramento figure out how to slow the thing down before impact. ;-)

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:47 | 6076159 TBT or not TBT
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He could evacuate the state using onerous regulations and taxes.  

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:02 | 6076332 Achilles Heel
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Quick! Somebody get Ronstadt on the blower!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:26 | 6076372 Flybyknight
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Why not just bomb the fuck out of California. Thats the governments solution to other world problems.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 18:01 | 6076624 pupdog1
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Now you've gone and done it.

Fucking Moonbeam Moron will spend $28 million for Bruce Willis and Steve Buscemi to conduct a study and write a report.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:38 | 6076136 Sudden Debt
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The solution is pretty simple and I’m 100% they’ll do what I’m about to tell you.

The plan consists out of 4 actions

 

Action 1: do nothing

just talk about it on tv and promise a shitload of stuff

Action 2: the water has run out

Now it will be time to panick as water runs out. So the smartest thing will be done, those who can afford it get water, the rest gets 1 glas of water on credit per day

Action 3 : blame somebody

You know, the other guy...

Action 4 : leave e erything behind and move

for the poor that is, the rest who have the money won’t even notice there’s a drought and they get to buy all the land for 1/50 of a penny on the dollar.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 14:39 | 6076144 Dixie Flatline
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During a parched spell in 1976 and 1977, the state opened a Resources Evaluation Office, which responded to 4,400 letters, telegrams and postcards offering ideas. Many people wanted to complain about neighbors wasting water, according to a 1978 state report.

All those progtards reporting each other to the authorities.  Schadenfreude pure.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:03 | 6076191 czarangelus
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There is no solution. We're still in the feverish denial phase of facing our social problems.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:14 | 6076216 Niall Of The Ni...
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Whip Desertification Now!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:13 | 6076212 Niall Of The Ni...
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Most of the water used in California is for agriculture. Farmers need to be charged what their water actually costs. Most need to go out of business, send their beaners home, and move to the southeast where there's plenty of water and surplus manpower authorized to work in the US who'll be happy to do farm work for a living wage.

And rich trophy wives need to stop demanding almond milk and organic strawberries in January.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:15 | 6076356 Flybyknight
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Farmers should be charged the true cost of their water and consumers should pay the true cost of producing their food . Aint capitalism wonderful

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:27 | 6076249 Lea
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"the dry spell "will stimulate incredible innovation."

Translate as "somebody will find a way to transport water to California, make millions with it, the water will go well-nigh unaffordable, the poor will emigrate and the rich will be happy to pay for expensive water to fill their swimming pools.

Water will become the next Californian status symbol. Everybody will be happy (minus the poor).

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:26 | 6076374 Monty Burns
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The poor will emigrate to a town near you. Comprende?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:06 | 6076788 thebigunit
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Yes. This is the way free market capitalism works.

So, what's your point?

Might it be: "don't be poor?"

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:26 | 6076250 kadoka
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The only thing that worries me about the drought in California is that too many of those idiots there will move to where I live.  I can live without anything from Ca.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:32 | 6076261 gwar5
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"Save the Fishes!!" 

Let's all go green and collectively demand CA liberals stop all water use immediately so we can save those little 3" fishes in the rivers and streams with the remaining water. The fish must be suffering terribly in this drought. If the people have to depopulate and emigrate from CA, too fucking bad.   /major sarc alert

Pelosi and those same green freaks had no problem running 3rd generation farmers off their land in Northern CA and unemploying 50,000 people for those fish. It's their turn to pay their 'fair share' and sacrifice something instead of making everyone else pay for their fantasies. That's plain old Karma, not 'environmental justice.'

 

 

 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:10 | 6076794 thebigunit
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Dirty little secret:

There's enough water in California for all the conservatives.

If we just exported California liberals to, say, New York City, Baltimore, or Ferguson, Missouri, we would be solving multiple problems at one time.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:50 | 6076301 Peter Pan
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I think the paleoclimatologists might feel justified in saying that this lack of rain is nothing more than a reversion to the long term weather patterns of the region in which case there are major problems ahead.

Sure it helps to minimize personal water use but I suspect that those areas of agriculture that have unreasonably high water use might need to be curtailed.

Perhaps they can introduce toilets like the Japs have where the hand basin is located above the toilet cistern. Once you wash your hands, that water forms the basis of the next flush.

Personally, I have found that when washing my hands I can do it quite well by letting the water run like a very thin pencil. You will be amazed how well you can still wash your hands.

 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 15:58 | 6076325 Icelandicsaga.....
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California and Ozymandias.. . may end up having a lot in common ..

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:07 | 6076343 Monetas
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Where do you dry dock an iceberg ?

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:14 | 6076354 crash commando
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This is why helicopters are more practical.  Or AT-ATs.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 22:34 | 6077143 Dickweed Wang
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Where do you dry dock an iceberg ?

In Inglewood . . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:11 | 6076352 Monetas
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How many miles of black cock has Gov. Moonbeam sucked .... if you added it all up ? I cede my remaining time to Yen Cross !

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:22 | 6076368 Monty Burns
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I have no observations other than that, come what may, the right-on Hollywierd environmentalists will have plenty of water for themselves their lawns, swimming pools and cars for however long thr drought goes on.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:38 | 6076404 One And Only
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Imagine hiw much water California would have if they didn't have such a liberal immigration policy. A great way to solve a shortage of water is to reduce the amount of people. Send em back to Guadalajara and Africa.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:46 | 6076420 CHC
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California is fucked if they're not willing to forgo some environmental issues for a while.  It's obvious the state and the people don't realize how serious of a problem they have (also Nevada).  Rationing will only delay the inevitable.  Hey Californians - just so you know - you're not welcome on the east coast.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 21:57 | 6077137 Dickweed Wang
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Hey Californians - just so you know - you're not welcome on the east coast.

Or anywhere near the Great Lakes!!!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 16:59 | 6076448 studfinder
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Depopulate the state... 

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:02 | 6076780 thebigunit
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The REAL agenda!

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 17:33 | 6076549 SubjectivObject
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Educate to stupid, and you're stuck with it.

'caint fix stupid.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 21:56 | 6077133 Dickweed Wang
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'caint fix stupid.

"Stupid is as stupid does"

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 18:15 | 6076674 Macon Richardson
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I reckon the homeless use less water than any other cohort in California. No long hot showers, no dishwashers, no clothes washers, no dogs to wash, no cars to wash, no lawns to water, no pools to fill.

 

There's a lesson in there somewhere--if I can just tease it out.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 18:54 | 6076760 VooDoo6Actual
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Control the Weather & control the food & water. Control the food & control Nations. Control Nations & control the people etc.

"The First Global Revolution"

“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water
shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers
are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity
itself,”

All part of this:
http://www.green-agenda.com/gl...
https://archive.org/details/Th...

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 19:03 | 6076783 thebigunit
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Aquaducts.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 21:53 | 6077124 Dickweed Wang
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AquaLung my friends . . . . .

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 20:46 | 6076975 The Old Man
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How bout geo engineer chemtrail the shit out of it like they do everywhere else! Then maybe it'll rain for weeks on end and suddenly become sunny and warm, just warm, not 90 F like Friday. We got a Great Lake. You want water? How bout $5.00 a gallon. You pay shipping. Send the tankers. Then maybe you'll learn how precious water really is.

Sat, 05/09/2015 - 21:07 | 6077009 shinobi-7
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I remember Orange county in the 1970s:

You would go from Freeway to 4 lanes road to two lanes to dirt road in the desert as you moved east.

Now it's all "suburbs" with green lawns.

Fine. But if you want to see the future, just go along Route 66 in its less travelled parts. The desert has mostly reclaimed everything. Some "suburbs" will not last that long!

Sun, 05/10/2015 - 13:06 | 6078260 homiegot
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Total collapse.

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