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Record Numbers Of Americans Renounce US Citizenship
It seems like it was only yesterday when we wrote that a record number of Americans have renounced their citizenship by expatriating and handing over their US passports one last time. Well, make that recorder after Thursday's release by the IRS of its latest "taxpatriot list" - a quarterly report that is published in the Federal Register and list the names of every person who renounced thier U.S. citizenship during the previous quarter.
The original idea for publishing these names was that it would become a list of shame, with some government tax lawyers unofficially labeling it the "name and shame" list. But judging by the soaring numbers of people who clearly don't mind putting their name on paper just to get rid of their US passport, it didn’t quite work out that way. In fact to many people being added to the "taxpatriot list" has become a badge of honor.
How many? According to the IRS, in the first quarter of 2015 a record 1,335 Americans renounced their citizenship, 26% more than in the previous quarter, and 18% more than the previous all time high quarter which was in Q2 of 2013.
If one anualizes the Q1 number, the number of 2015 expatriates is set to hit roughly 5,340, or a 56% increase to what was already the record expatriation year of 2014, in which 3415 Americans punched a hole through their passport.
Some thoughts from Bloomberg on this "highly distressing" trend:
“The cost of compliance with the complex tax treatment of non-resident U.S. citizens and the potential penalties I face for incorrect filings and for holding non-U.S. securities forces me to consider whether it would be more advantageous to give up my U.S. citizenship,” Stephanos Orestis, a U.S. citizen living in Oslo, wrote in a March 23 letter to the Senate Finance Committee. “The thought of doing so is highly distressing for me since I am a born and bred American with a love for my country.”
London Mayor Boris Johnson, who had a tax dispute with the IRS, said earlier this year that he would give up the U.S. citizenship he received because he was born in New York. His name isn’t on the IRS list. Eduardo Saverin, a Brazilian-born co-founder of Facebook Inc., gave up his U.S. citizenship in 2012
In any event, whether for tax purposes, because they are tired of living in an Orwellian dystopia (recall that last week a Federal appeals court found the NSA's decade-long pervasive spying on US citizens was illegal, a move which will result in absolutely no change in America's police status), or for any other reason, a record number of former Americans have had enough and just said no to their US citizenship. A trend, which as can be easily seen below, is far from over.
As to whether the following latest IRS expat list is one of shaming, or naming 1335 taxpatriots, we leave it up to readers to decide.
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Is renouncing my "pledge" the same thing, or will it become a tortious claim against me by the State?
DUAL CITIZEN renouncement? Not likely, unless Lois Lerner was coming at you for taxes (which is unlikely)... But, in which case... EXPECTED...
Fuck this Banana (Jerusalem on the Potomac) Republic
I freelance over th? internet and earn about 80-85$ an hour. I was without a job for 7 months but last month my paycheck with big fat bonus was $15000 just working on my computer from my home for 5-6 hours. Here's what i have been doing... www.jobs-review.com
So... I'm guessing you must b one a dem band of jews that gets paid to junk certain comments on ZH. How many sheckels does your paycheck amount to?
Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2 (third paragraph, first sentence)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section2
According to the Constitution, all individuals born (and naturalized) within the territories in which the corporation THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA exerts an effective jurisdiction are cataloged as less than human beings (even lower animals are vested with natural and legal rights); these people automatically lose their quality of natural persons either by birth or naturalization; instead, they become Financial Instruments until the day they cease to exist - real or virtual documents representing a legal agreement involving some sort of monetary value. The charter implicitly defines Americans as subservients; the legal scope of TheThree-Fifths Compromise went beyond the issue of slavery and the Thirteenth Amendment only nullified such ancient practice per se, must not its ulterior purpose.
The US Constitution is based on British Common Law, Vatican's Code of Canon Law and Admiralty Law (influenced the latter by the Ordinamenta et Consuetudo Maris). As a matter of jurisprudence, this historical document adheres to the doctrine that Admiralty Law prevails over Common Law and goes in accordance with Canon Law.
The lawful stockholders of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA can be found at Buckingham Palace and St. Peter’s Basilica; their legal and financial offices operate from the City of London Corporation and Vatican City respectively.
Financial Instrument (US Citizens) cannot abrogate the charter (the Constitution); however they are exchangeable or can be treated as common stock for citizenship purposes.
This list contains 1,336 names of certain people who renounced or relinquished U.S. citizenship and whose information the IRS received in the first three months of this year. This is a smaller number than the 1,406 records — solely of renunciants, not of relinquishers — which were added to the FBI’s NICS gun control database over the same period, bringing it from 27,240 renunciant records up to 28,646. NICS also added another 767 renunciant records in April. (Given that the Federal Register list is too small even to cover all renunciants, it is not mathematically possible that it includes ex-green card holders, and no name of an ex-green card holder has ever been confirmed present in the list.)
- http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/05/07/late-unreliable-federal-register-...
Anyone who gives up their US citizenship has various options available as on date. My advice is do it now before these options are also shut down.
Cyprus will give a passport within 90 days if one purchases real estate worth EUR 2.5 million.
Malta will give the same with EUR 1m approx in about 1 year.
Cyprus gives a Permanent Residency paper for EUR 300k while Greece will give for EUR 250k, Portugal for EUR 500k and Spain for EUR 500k. Passport comes in about 10 years.
Macedonia will also give.
Singapore needs USD 2m invested in a employment creating fund to give PR for 5 years but also requires 3 year's audited balance sheets in about 11 sectors which is very restrictive. Also needs to stay for 2-6 years.
HK has shut its immigration for people with HKD 10m / USD 1.3m in Jan 2015.
Australia and Canada have also become very tight for investors. Canada just opened for skilled workers in April. But is very tight overall and only Quebec allows investors. Even skilled worker program is very tight in rules and focuses on limited types.
UK has doubled their requirement to GBP 2m in Nov 2014. Also requires residency.
Thailand is a fantastic place to live. Cheap living with nice tropical weather. They only require USD 25k in a bank a/c under your name and give you residence visa for 1 year but age must be above 50 years.
China is planning to ease on their immigration route this year.
I am not much familiar with Chile, Uruguay etc but I believe it may require marriage etc or large investment amounts.
Antigua will give a passport as will St Kitts for USD 450k approx including fees by procuring real estate of USD 400k. Allows dual nationality as well and are very good for travellers due to visa on arrival countries almost matching that of US passport. These are small countries with approx 50k citizens that makes them weak over the long term unless someone wishes to live there.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/05/03/americans-are-renounci...
>>>I am not much familiar with Chile, Uruguay etc but I believe it may require marriage etc or large investment amounts.
In many Latin American countries permanent residency is fairly easy to obtain, once you assemble all the required documentation. Colombia will grant PR to those who can show $4,000 per month in non-earned income (and <$1,000 per month, if retired on a state pension). Chile is similar, as are others. From what I hear, citizenship in Latin America is a much tougher nut to crack, and the rules are unevenly applied (i.e. on paper you're qualified, but we just don't like you very much, gringo).
Avoid Antigua at all costs...
Coincidently, I was just talking to my Fiancé, via encrypted communique, who is down in South America for the next month getting our newly built house ready for occupancy. Going to try the dual citizenship route first and then see what transpires. With the amount of land she received from family recently, we could have a compound of homes there.
All Hedgers invited!!
:-)
That must be exciting bro, that sounds so tempting.
If America does not have a government but a corperation then you are not renouncing your citizenship but cancelling your employment contract and as they did not hold thier end of the contract it should be easy to do
Encrypted? Dual citizenship? I suggest you skip the paperwork, dig up your money and take the first bus out.
Thank you! Where do I submit to be considered for an invitation to your compound?
I too am seeking a second citizenship. One of my buddies left 5 years ago by marrying a South American and eventually renounced. When his son was born the US Gov't wanted to claim the boy!! My buddy told the US gov't to fuck off.
The storm clouds are more forboding than ever. Good luck and may we be part of the remnant that endures!
If you find yourself abroad on the Fourth of July, do not attend any functions at the US Consulate. They are taking names, photographs and, for all I know, DNA samples. You do get free ice cream and hotdogs, though.
Jonestown 2.0? ...sorry couldn't resist
I wish you'd pack up and move to Israel.
You'd love it there.
www.mintpressnews.com/un-israels-gaza-onslaught-targeted-children-and-un...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/netanyahu-appoints-ayelet-shaked-who-called...
It's got a government full of people just like you.
Seriously, dude.
huh.
swing and a miss - here's aforeign policy article establishing that, yes, Israel's justice minister is a racist, supremacist jew.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/07/the-new-face-of-israel-hard-right-ne...
rationalwiki isn't so rational.
it appears to be the ravings of some state school graduates who think they have a lock on what is "rational" and what isn't.
check out their description of zerohedge.
with editing, it might be fair - but it's fairly...irrational.
huh, indeed.
p.s if you think RT is less reliable than CNN o rFox - you're a fucking idiot. An intelligent approach is to digest news from as many sources as possible. Assume they are all trying to manipulate you. The NY Times literally has CIA 'minders' that they clear stories with.
meanwhile the pro-israel bias of the american msm has been established over and over.
here's democracy now
Ex-U.N. Official John Dugard: Israel’s Crimes are "Infinitely Worse" Than in Apartheid South Africa
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/5/6/ex_un_official_john_dugard_israel
heres a few from global research:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-road-is-for-jews-only-yes-there-is-apa...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/an-inconvenient-truth-israeli-apartheid/531...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/apartheid-forever-israels-netanyahu-rules-o...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/racism-and-segregation-in-israel-under-isra...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-palestine-when-occupation-becomes-ap...
Israeli apartheid is a fact. The *fact* is protested in the same way "jewish control of Hollywood" is - not because it's false -
BUT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE, AND MAKES JEWS LOOK LIKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN POOR, WEAK, DEFENSELESS, SACRED VICTIMS.
like this...
Jews Boast of Owning Hollywood—But Slam Gentiles Who Say the Same
http://newobserveronline.com/jews-boast-of-owning-hollywood-but-slam-gen...
that's for my hasbara ticks. I wish I had more.
xxoo!
You're being too polite to that psychotic bitch. She will make Eric Holder look like a great Justice Minister. She is a genocidal war criminal.
rational wiki is a farce . I quoted zerohedge description on rational wiki here in comments in starting and got plentyof downvotes . :D
global research is wrong why ? becayse a russian canadian economist jew run it not the khazars ? lol .
Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist and founder of the website GlobalResearch.ca
Chossudovsky is the son of a Russian Jewish émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky
Schadenfreude pure.
Author seems to indicate by his writing that an Expat or Expatriate has given up his citizenship.
That is not the normal meaning.
"An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of their citizenship. The word comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("country, fatherland")."
I think they meant the article to be about people who renounce citizenship. Hard to read the rest of the article with that fundamental mistake.
Then avoid the official IRS memorandum published in the Federal Register like the plague - as they make the same mistake (conflating renunciation with expatriation, which they do EVERY quarter). I guess there are too many quota monkeys and H1Bs at the IRS now, but most skilled expats would rather burn in Hell then go to work for the FATCA Devil.
Already on the drone list to be sure.
This make the USSA look petty and juvenile.
https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/p480x480/11038871...
Lt Colonel Givi on his tank in Donestsk parade fighting the NWO and Kiev dual shit-i-Zens.
Too bad the US military has no honor to do their Constitutional duty...but no one else is.
I see that the BOURGEOIS family are on the list. Good riddence...so sayth the State.
add one more.
Rich people. Guns & EBT is what's left bitchez. Guess what goes first.
Wake me up when there's "x million" in the graph.
Yea 1k leaving, big deal. How many left this world in that time.
Not alarming at all...yet, as you said.
It is under reported....
"This list contains 1,336 names of certain people who renounced or relinquished U.S. citizenship and whose information the IRS received in the first three months of this year. This is a smaller number than the 1,406 records — solely of renunciants, not of relinquishers — which were added to the FBI’s NICS gun control database over the same period, bringing it from 27,240 renunciant records up to 28,646. NICS also added another 767 renunciant records in April. (Given that the Federal Register list is too small even to cover all renunciants, it is not mathematically possible that it includes ex-green card holders, and no name of an ex-green card holder has ever been confirmed present in the list.)"
- http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/05/07/late-unreliable-federal-register-...
It would be interesting to know the taxable income or assets of each of the people on the renunciation list....
I'll settle for permanent residency outside US right now, then work on getting another passport.
As a current expat I'll tell you that US financial institutions don't want to deal with people who are honest and say they permanently live outside the US. Which leads many expats to use bogus US residencies to deal with those firms. Recently we have attempted to take the honest approach with two US institutions. We went through an extreme vetting process which included our being required to account for all of our lifetime savings. I even printed off our social security reports so they could get a feel for our earnings over 35+ years. The Mexican institutions we deal with are very cautious in their dealings with us. There is also quite a bit of additional paperwork we need to file each year which is becoming more and more tedious.
But - before you can renounce you need to be a citizen elsewhere.
Incorrect: "before you can renounce you need to be a citizen elsewhere"
Gain residency in a country and then renounce your US citizenship. As a free human you have the right to become "Stateless".
At this point, the US government will still "allow" you to become stateless. I suspect they will close this loophole at some point.
Once you are Stateless, the country you are a LEGAL resident in will have to provide you "Stateless person travel documents". This is essentially a passport looking document that allows you to travel without actually having a passport from the country where you are a legal resident.
Correct, Sovereign Man.
Actually lots of myths about renouncing. you can get on a plane the day you renounce and come back into the USA. But cannot work there.
You don't lose your Social Security if you renounce because you don't have to be a citizen to draw SS. All you need to do is have paid in 40 quarters.
You WILL lose your military pension though.
Yeah, Social Security was my only concern. I paid a small fortune into it, and although I don't expect it to be solvent, I would like to pull some checks to recoup some of the cash I paid in. Keep in mind that expats pay Social Security taxes even if they are not liable for income taxes on all self-employment earnings while outside the USA.... Renouncing had instant tax benefits.
Each day outside the USA, I regain more and more of my sanity.
I could care less if it slipped into the ocean at this point.
All you need to do is keep on American bank account open to have you SS sent to and hit the ATM in whatever country you are in and draw it out. You also get the best exchange rates at ATM's and I pay NO FEES here on withdrawals .
Forget about checks. Thats passe and haven't seen them in Europe in 20 years. Everything is direct debit and credit. I have Debit card from a bank in Chicago.
You don't lose your SS number when renouncing.
It must be a real paperwork nightmare for those expats living abroad with family still here or if they have a job there of some sort. I don't know but if someone wants to leave, let 'm. It's a free country, right?
... mmm ... well, maybe not?
So you get to keep your SS#, as well as have a US bank account? How about a brokerage account? Are taxes automatically deducted on investment income like dividends?
What social security?
I'm 37...fat chance...
Yeah, I am not that much older than you.
I doubt it will be there either, but if it was instantly lost on renunciation I would have thought more deeply on the topic.
They moved it from 2035 to 2033 for insolvency.
its alredy there and on pay as you go with diminishing players.
Hence the open borders bailout! so stupid and illegal
Could only work if al gores lock box, invested for fed ponzi inflation, had been in effect from the get go. Galveston is banking it
Friggin shortsighted crook scumbag theives and thugs. Ooo that is a bad word now right?
Nice tip.
This list will probably become confidential once it goes vertical. TPTB don't like pie in their face.
>>>You don't lose your Social Security if you renounce because you don't have to be a citizen to draw SS. All you need to do is have paid in 40 quarters.
That is not accurate enough to meet high ZH-level standards:
YOU CAN INDEED LOSE ALL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS post renunciation. The devil is in the details as to what other citizenship(s) you hold, AND the country where you legally reside.
The Social Security Administration has a very good webpage devoted to this issue, and it is actually more accurate than what the US Embassy SS reps will tell you. Go to ssa.gov, and search for "payments abroad" for all the exciting details, which reflect the various tax treaties the USG has signed. There are some peculiarities, such as the one that applies to me: if I live in Australia and renounce US citizenship, I will get SS retirement payments for life; if I live in New Zealand and renounce, I will lose ALL SS benefits after six months. There are similar all-versus-none consequences which vary among the Latin American countries, for instance, and others. If your retirement planning is heavily based on receiving SS benefits, you need to research the matter thoroughly.
P.S. People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future. Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over. (Paul Craig Roberts) Be sure to tell your children.
Here is an example of statless person travel document:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Convention_travel_document
UK instructions on how to stay in the UK if you are stateless:
https://www.gov.uk/stay-in-uk-stateless
IS ZH on Cloudfront.net, on MS Software, or a well known antivirus software... or do I have a virus??
BTW things could be worse if a States NG Infrastruture and SWAP Assets are used to support a State Public Bank or State Coin.
I mean if everything is Financialized like you an me, our municipalities, our water systems... why not our MIC Assets??
Theoretically would we Financialize a War like Iraq II?? Based on signed bills stating that Federal govt will spend $200 Billion, I guess it would be War Bonds like.
http://renunciationguide.com
Compendium on the laws and how to.
The online hangout for the expat community that's "mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2011/12/14/about-the-isaac-brock-society/
What is most interesting is the Canadian perspective on IsaacBrock.
Many of the issues that Canadians have are based upon a person (or parent) who split from the USA during the Vietnam War and became Canadian. Now these Canadians, who left the USA in 70s, are being fucked over by FATCA.
US Citizenship is like herpes in many ways.
Much easier to sneek into the US than to quietly sneek out.
You're not kidding. They keep upping the cover charge to LEAVE the club. Nearly nothing before and now in the last year or 2 it's 2 grand or something
I paid 450 bucks before they raised it to 2400 bucks.
They don't want their debt slaves escaping. They like it when new debt slaves come in.
I believe it is $3500, if I'm not mistaken.
It's high enough that you need to take it into consideration financially when you plan to make the final escape.
I'm not Renouncing shit. I'll fight for freedom. Those responsible can denounce theirs and leave. Or stay and fight...
hahaha, I renounced last year. Haven't lived or worked in the USA since 1989. I actually tripled my income the day I left and experienced REAL Freedom also/. You are funny fucktards thinking you are FREE. Do some travelling to some real modern countries and have your myths dispelled, sonny boy.
Learn the difference between RENOUNCE and DENOUNCE. I doubt seriously you would qualify to live in ANY other country.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/07/the_new_york_times_does_its_governments_...
It really amazes me that people think America is a free country. Like other countries don't have freedom of speech.,
Fact is, I have been to 73 countries in my lifetime and lived and worked in 5 of them LEGALLY.
The very LAST country I would ever want to move to is the USA and I lived there 35 years before escaping.
Before you start bashing. take a month off and do some travelling and not to tourist spots. Learn how much BETTER most people live than most Americans.
Each day I am here is another day I pay these criminals to build prison walls around the planet and I want no part of it. I would love to leave for the new land, but where is it?
Right now I just want to live under the regime of the tyrant who treats me best.
Google ''Sovereign Man'' and read . You don't have to be a member to get some free advice. But you should have some kind of skill. Burger flippers not needed.
Google ''Sovereign Man'' and read . You don't have to be a member to get some free advice. But you should have some kind of skill. Burger flippers not needed.
You have to remember that in 1992 only 7% (it maybe higher now) of Americans even had a passport, nevermind travled to other countries. All they know about the rest of the world is what the MSM feeds them. Willfully ignorant morons! They actually believe that Americans have the highest standard of living and the most freedoms. It's really pathetic!
It is now up to 36% who have a passport which is a record. As more and more Americans travel they are finding out what a crock of shit they have been told. The US is a fucking Third World country compared to even other Third World countries. The approach you have to take is everything the government and the MSM tell you is a lie. I got another year in this shit hole and then I am bugging out.
Ha HA I know another place you would never go dutchess. Say it with me dutchess Joooooland Ha ha
It's safer than being a Sovereign Citizen.
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Actually lots of myths about renouncing. you can get on a plane the day you renounce and come back into the USA. But cannot work there.
You don't lose your Social Security if you renounce because you don't have to be a citizen to draw SS. All you need to do is have paid in 40 quarters.
You WILL lose your military pension though.
People need to sit down and read the actual treaties bewteen the US and their new domicile just like the Fortune 500 boys do (not just read the free guides that the big accounting firms publish).
I paid into Uncle Sam's SS Ponzi Sceme for more than 10 years so I can eventually collect a few pennies on the dollar, but when I moved here I made an domiciliary election to no longer pay into the USSA scam and just pay into the local 3 pillar system. If you take the lazy route and use Timmay Geithner's free online tax software - you'd never know and probably cannot enter $0.00 for Ponzi Payments Owed.
Or, from the ZH (non)policy on conflicts / full disclosure: Zero Hedge is about many things. One is certainly the connection between skepticism and personal responsibility in matters financial.
"....sit down and read the actual treaties..."
Indeed.
As for the "3 Pillar" System:
"....the term three pillar principle......aim is to maintain the accustomed standard of living for insured persons or their surviving dependents in old age or in the event of disability or death...."
Translation:
The Swiss Can Also Promise What Cannot Be Delivered, And Will Gladly Take Your Money Along The Way......
As I have Said, TRILLIONS, NOT BILLIONS, WILL BE PERMANENTLY LOST by Current Rentiers.
"Rentier" to include Pensioners......Of All Stripes...
The negative rates don't help anyone's pension here. If we want yield, we have to go to the PIIGS, and combine both insane currency risk and insane repayment risk.
Then again, what's the alternative? To paraphrase Chris Dodd questioning the Bernank a few years ago (2009?), "Aren't Americans much better off because 100% of the Social Security Trust Fund is invested in US Government Debt, look at how much we would have lost if we had invested in the S&P?"
The United States is now a country of corporations. These corporations are the new citizens of the U.S. (Except for Israel which is a special citizen.) All individuals that used to think of themselves as citizens are now just the property of the U.S. government. They are indentured servants or slaves, tax slaves. Do you want to leave the United States and never return? You are still U.S property. Like former American slaves before the Civil War, you can buy your manumission. The present cost is $2,350. Cheap enough for the average Joe, but for the wealthy the tax consequences are staggering. This is just a small aspect of American "Full Spectrum Dominance" where the U.S. fascist government take control of the world. Hard to believe where the U.S. has gone in such a short time.
I became a US citizen in 1962 under my fathers name. I was a minor. So when I went with my birth certificate here to the county and asked for my Dutch citizenship back they found a loophole in the law. Before that no dual citizenship was allowed.
The woman asked me one question ''Did someone ask you if you wanted to become an American citizen in 1962'? I said NO. She smiled and said ''Congratulations. we are awarding your original citizenship back because you were a minor.' But she said it will cost you. I asked ''how much'? She said 600 guilders (that was in 1997)./ Which is about 300 USD . I pulled out my wallet and paid and she said ''Come back after lunch and the documents will be ready and then you can go to the Consulate and get a Dutch passport''. I was working and living in GErmany at the time.
All kinds of high paying job offers opened up after I got Dutch citizenship. Jobs I couldn't get as a US citizen.
I'm going to renounce my American citizenship (not my Q99X2 one) once I graduate and I'll be outta here before the crowd fryin weapons are fully functional along the coasts. and borders. You might find me in a Mexican prison but not in an American FEMA camp.
Just some tidbits of info.
If you already have another citizenship or permanent residency in another country, and you get a bunch of Creditcards from USA banks or a big LOAN. Then there is NOTHING they can do if you default. Zilch.
I know an American guy who was in the Military in Germany and got discharged there and had german wife. He planned to stay in Germany.
The guy went to the furniture store on base (PX) and wrote a check for 5000 dollars to buy furniture. The next day he got discharged and of course the check bounced. The American bank could do NOTHING. They could notify german authorities but they would get laughed at. None of our business, the Germans would say.
Offer welfare recipients $100,000 cash settlement to irrevocably renounce their citizenship .... and leave the country .... you would have very few takers .... they're dumb .... but, not stupid !
HAHAH, one thing I always laugh about is when people say ''love it or leave it'' as if other countries will just take you in.
Most modern countries actually strictly enforce their immigration laws.
I always like to stress that although this number may seem small... It is a huge networth number, lost tax revenue number, etc.
1500 people with a worth of $1M on renunication = $1.5B of capital -> Gone.
1500 people who were most likely high earners -> Gone
It takes a lot of Mexicans with a networth of $20 to replace these 1500 people.
The first wave from 2008 -> 2012 were the uber wealthy. $1M is likely very, very low.
I had an uncle (now deceased) that moved to the USA from NL same time we did in 1951. His wife didn't like the USA so after 7 years they moved back here. When he turned 65 he got a letter from SS administration telling him he could draw SS. It was only 100 bucks a month but he drew it until he died. Wife took it out once a year to buy Xmas gifts for the Grandkids.
Long before guys like Simon Black came along, I was a dual* citizen. And then got my Green card. Although I plan to stay here, that could change, if forced to.
Hence, they're not getting my bullion, which isn't here anyway. Even the Mrs doesn't know where it is, other than some unknown amount being outside the USSA. It's for her own good (save her from Temptation).
If/when I kick the bucket, a lawyer in another country will contact my kids and give them a sealed envelope (with info inside where it is and how to get it). So, FU, Big Bro!
* No, neither is Israeli. And neither is a 'liability' in a tight situation. One by luck of birthright, one by choice.
So it's for your wife's 'own good', is it? Then why are you not even revealing it to her when you die (at which point she might need it) but instead to your kids?
Being an Expat is different than being someone who has renounced. There are over 6 million American Ex pats living abroad.
Ex pat does NOT MEAN ex PATRIOT.
Just sayin for clarification.
Once you renounce than you are more or less a free agent.
I would recommend by first getting permanent residency status in some country,.
The fastest way to do this is marry a local. at least in the UK or the Netherlands or Germany.
You get almost all the benefits of citizenship but you cannot VOTE.
Its actually called the Brain Drain because most of the people leaving although a small number in relative terms, they are professionals and skilled.
meanwhile millions of new slaves under differwnt visas like h-1b flocks to usa thinking bagging green card aka american citizebship will change their fortunes . lol .
meanwhile millions of new slaves under differwnt visas like h-1b flocks to usa thinking bagging green card aka american citizebship will change their fortunes . lol .
Unless they're returning to their homeland, they're just running from a fight. If the 1889 book "The Great Red Dragon" is anywhere close to right, it's the reason for the commentary "There's No Place To Run, Jim Rogers!" Written 2/15/2008 at http://GreatRedDragon.com
History has shown over and over again that it is best to leave when the writing is on the wall.
"Running from a fight" is a stupid mindset. As the "fight" in the USA is multifaceted. From the average moron citizen, to the lying politicians, to the growing militarized police state, etc.
Broken can't be fixed.
The point of renouncing is that you are no longer responsible for the broken system. Without renunciation you are forced to continue to pay for a broken system that you want nothing to do with. The ultimate form of patriotism is tell the government you are no longer a slave and you are officially telling them to go fuck themselves.
Renouncing your government slavery is not renouncing your birth heritage. Just like South Africans living in Southern California (there are lot) who hauled ass from after Apartheid fell. In their soul they are still South Africans and they understand that there was no way they could have overcome the unleashing of the heathens. The list of examples/nationalities is vast... Italians, Irish, English,etc. Just because you divorce a govt does not mean you are divorcing your history.
If you are able to get citizenship or permanent residency from a European nation then you can work legally anywhere in the EU.
My first job after I got Dutch citizenship was flying for a Cargo carrier in Luxembourg. (paying Luxembourg taxes). They still send me a SS check every month for 300 euros even though I only worked there 3 years.
IN the Netherlands I understand that they change the law here recently. If you left with your parents after WW2 to avoid the desperate economics at the time its easy to get your birth citizenship back.
Lots of Expats in Europe that work on US bases and get SOFA status. The only way they can stay in Europe legally for more than 3 months on a tourist visa. OR they can marry a local.
So legally you can come here for 3 months but then have to get on a plane back to USA and the next day you can fly back for another 3 months.
Used to be that you could sit in the US Embassy for 24 hours and that counted but NO more. You actually physically go back to the USA.
Once I became Dutch citizen again, I get a voting card 3 weeks before any election. The ballots are all paper and we did away with computerized voting. Its not necessary to REGISTER to vote or DECLARE any party favourite. Once you become a citizen the voting cards are automatically sent out.
When you go to the polling place (in my case the grade school round the corner) you have to show proof of citizenship (ID card or drivers license) you can't get a drivers license here unless you are citizen or permanent resident.
Not suprised they even gave you a Dutch passport. Nowadays you got to be a total loser not to get one.
A loser like you ? Get me that burger, you lazy fat fuck.,
I guess reading comprehension is not your forte. I was BORN here in Holland so automatically a citizen.
Please stop jacking off and get me that burger I ordered, LOSER!!
My cousin was born in Chicago and his parents went back to NL when he was 2 years old.
He is now a bank director for ABN-AMRO here. One day he called me for coffee and a chat. I reminded him how I used to baby sit him when he was a kid. I also told him factually he was an American. He said he knew but had no interest in going to the USA although he did take his kids for a vacation there. He said his kids didn't like it and wished they had went to a Med destination like Spain or Greece.
Funny thing about this Seek Truth guy. He hates FACTS. and not interested in learning anything., LOL
And you're definitly the "fact" giver here at the hedge LOL No really I mean laugh out fucking loud fall out of my chair kinda facts..... say some more intelligent stuffs like how Muslims never tried to convert you to Christianity. Say Jew again you know wanna and you are behind on your shots, drink up dutchess
"Record Numbers Of Americans Renounce US Citizenship"
This is where it all ends. American citizens quitting the country in droves. 20 or maybe 30 years ago this would have been unthinkable.
No, "This is where it all ends" for Americans is a FEMA Camp or a microchip implanted in your frontal lobe, watching TV or playing video games all day drinking beer and eating potato chips.
1335 renounced and 133,500 slipped across the border or are overstaying their visas.
Non-story, not worth the ink.
1335 citizens who offer value.
133,500 "lawn care professionals" who Western Union all their funds back south of the border and don't assimilate.
I can see how this is a non-story. Thanks for the clarification.
Mexicans assimilate fine .... they're already Christian .... and have skin in the game .... it's the Muslims who don't assimilate .... more Mex .... less Muzz .... Mitzi Gaynor's first name is an Aztec name .... I rest my case ..... and cede my remaining time .... to Yen Cross and Element and Do Chen (in absentia) !
Hey fucktard, Christers are shitheads. Since when was Muslim a nationality?
See just how goddam IGNORANT you Americunt trash are?
Who the hell is Christers? How long has it been since you said the word jew? Been too long ay duthess
Christers= are people who believe the Buybull fairytales about some talking snake and a guy who let himself get nailed to a cross for YOUR sins.
OHHHHH, well thanks for that O' Fact giver but I believe it's spelled C H R I S T I A N. Sound it there dutchess C H R I S T I A N (cris-chin)
OHHH, I get it now it was supposed to be some sort of a slam to Christians like when you say Jooos. Good job dutchess
Wrong , its spelled ChristStain.
Hey Moron, I have never had a Muslim get in my face about Jayzus or some ''saved'' bullshit.,
Mexicans and gangbanging Niggas. Theya re Christians right?
LOL., you are true fucking imbecile.
A Muslim never got into your face about jazus. That's one hell of an observation there dutchess haha hahahahah imbecile you say Say jew again say it say it say it you know you wanna and don't forget to drink up
I guess you didn't hear about the 500 Africans who drowned trying to get to Europe. fleeing the wars that the USA starts in their countries.
Cocksuckers like YOU are a dime a dozen in the USA and I am so glad I no longer have to deal with IMBECILES like you who can't count to 21 without taking off your shoes and trousers.
Say jew again duthess, you just can't hide who you are say it say it say it you know you wanna
KIKE, are you happy now? You little punk ass americunt alcoholic LOSER.
YESSSSSS, You just cant hide who you really are. Good job Dutchess now I'm behind on my shots. WoooHoooo
It's a great idea but it can only be done early in life, or later if you are free of government 'entitlements'. If you are counting on a pension or retirement check - it is too late. Either move out young, or get rich!
Yes, we will sell everything and move to Phillipines. Take your fucked up taxation and shove it up your ass Obama. Commercial property on the ocean.
We will create new jobs while you overtax others in US, Nigger Slavemaster Obama.
Might just embark in Africa emerging market. Your a fucking failure President Obama.
Indeed:
1,335 OF 300 + MILLION....
If Only We Could Get More to Leave........
My Advice:
Don't Let the Door Hit You in The Ass on the Way Out.....
We love real FREEDOM and high wages and high quality of living. Thats why I woudn't go back to the USA for a million bucks. Its also a pleasure not to have to deal with shit for brains asswipes like YOU anymore.
These Numbers:
How Many People Died Trying to GET INTO the United States v Renounced Citizenship Since Our Inception ?
As I always Say, The Key is Always in asking The "Right" Questions.
How about the millions who try to get into Europe annually? Most of the people dying to get into USA are Mexicans.
The key is to use your brain but I can tell that you only have one brain cell so for you its difficult.
Dutch Boy .... you're a nice guy .... why not a word about the Muslim invasion of NL .... that so trumps this non-issue .... of a few Americans bugging out ?
I have no problem with Muslims. Why do you hate Muslims? Why not Jews who were behind 911? and Mossad who is behind most terrorist attacks. Why do you hate Muslims?
Frankly, I see very few Muslims here. Where do you get your bullshit information from?
I have a question for you. How about your negroe gangster explosion in the USA?
Drink Drink Drink and drink some more
Yes i am sure that is what you do to escape reality. I am into gardening and nature. Enjoy your 12 step program.
"I am into gardening and nature".
And Jews
Drink up dutchess
You are into Jews? I can imagine you love cornholing them.
There it is...way to go dutchess, I knew you would say it. Drink Drink Drink Drink Drink
Enjoy your gangsta riddled USA with Nazi cops/. Make sure you carry your fire arm. What a great life and freedom, right?? ROFLMAO
In addition to the names listed in the Federal Register, there are thousands more who have made a "silent" renunciation of their US citizenship for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with their tax status. These thousands live in their adopted countries as though they had never lived anywhere else, with a clear conscience and renewed vitality.
And I suspect the number is millions, not thousands. Most of these folks aren't interested in making useless noise that changes nothing but makes them a target. And so, most of them just move and vanish forever.
Very true,. emphasis on ''renewed vitality'' and healthy living.
So that's 1335 people less on food stamps?
I have never been on foodstamps or unemployment. I went to where the high paying jobs were and for me it was overseas.
1335 white skilled professsionals
See how stupid you are? Those 1335 people are educated professionals.
Stop making a fool out of yourself, dipshit!!
See how stupid you are? Those 1335 people are educated professionals.
Stop making a fool out of yourself, dipshit!!
i have a question: why doesn't the gov let the would-be jihadis from US go to the M E then terminate their passports?
isis would usethese fools for cannon fodder and the world would be rid of them.
''Coming from Northern Europe back to the USA is like leaving the Jetsons and returning to the Flintstones'' - quipped a New York Times reporter coming back from Copenhagen conference in 2011.
You mean New Jew Times right dutchess
I can see you now, your buddy Jim Beam in one hand and Jack Daniels in another. Time to time you set one down and play with your 9mm pee peee.
Oh shit, was that a penis slam there dutchess or would you like me to play with a 9mm and then go...pee peee?
Press ONE for Spanish , Press 2 for English . Press 3 for Ebonics - the future of America.
Press 3. Yo, muthafuckas, where is my EBT card, been waiting for hours now. kno wad ahm sayin??
To much of your namesake Lead Paint there Dutch Boy? I'd be bitter as well if I was dumb enough to SIGN UP to fight in the Viet Nam war as you did.
I didn't sign up to go to Vietnam. I got orders to go.
Just about no place will be safe unless you have the finances for protection.
Moving from one oppressive place to another isn't my idea of a solution.
There are many places on the planet much freer than the USA. Have you ever travelled outside of the USA?
The list they put out really doesn't mean anything, especially when you consideer that most, if not all on the list possessed dual citizenship, and that the entire risk of DOUBLE TAXATION as practised by the US probably forcedsome of these people to "go home" as US citizenship was no longer needed.
The document itself points out: "...long-term residents, as defined in section 877(e)(2), are treated as if they were citizens of the United States who lost citizenship."
So, many of these people "renouncing citizenship" WERE NOT EVEN US CITIZENS.
I wonder how many people simply RELINQUISHED their citizenship, rather than renounced it?