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Demographic Devastation: Italy's Birth Rate Drops To 150 Year Low
Italian women would "like to have more [children], but the conditions just aren't good enough," laments one new mother as CBS News reports, official figures show that in 2014 there were fewer babies born in Italy than at any time since 1861. "Nowadays people don't want to raise their child in poverty," but Pope Francis had a different opinion, as The Guardian reported, "a society with a greedy generation, that doesn't want to surround itself with children, that considers them above all worrisome, a weight, a risk, is a depressed society."
Chart: Bloomberg
Relative to Europe's top-'producing' nation - Azerbaijan - and its 18.3 births per 1,000 inhabitants, He may well be right but the Italians are in 'depressed' company along with Portugal, Greece, and Spain at the lower end of the EU spectrum.
As CBS News adds, "Nowadays people don't want to raise their child in poverty," Francesca said. "They want a good level, a good standard of life for their kids."
That's true across most of the developed world. The birth rate in North America, Russia and Europe is already below the replacement rate of about two children per couple. And in Italy, a quarter of all women have no children at all.
That's partly the fault of a system that gives women no support, says professor Elizabeth Addis, an expert in demographics and social policy. More than 50 percent of Italian women work outside the home, and yet there's no affordable day care here, no school meals, and no after-school programs.
"In Italy, this virtuous process of building public services to help women, and to substitute for women's traditional work, didn't happen," Addis said.
"A lot of Italian women are trapped," said Palmer.
"Right. They will be trapped in a dependent situation in which they can only be housewives, and they don't want to be housewives -- they want to be free."
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It's a crunch that threatens everyone's standard of living. Reversing the trend will depend partly on a better economy, and more help for working mothers.
And, controversially, it also means welcoming more foreign migrants, including those smuggled into Italian waters every day, and who will join Italy's immigrant community, with its economic ambitions and higher birth rate.
Conservatives fear those changes will dilute the traditions of a great culture, but the alternative is a weakened Italy out of step with the modern world.
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Don't worry. Muslims and negros will keep breeding in Europe.
no (reliable) contraception in the 1800s
a life in grinding poverty, not even penicilin, and littered with progeny? life before industrialisation was a constant depression
There were at least one group of slaves in america on the east coast from Africa which new how to mix up potions which induced abortions as they refused to reproduce under slavery way back in the olden days. I think it was when slavery first arrived in the states.
it's funny that the pope would bring up "greed".
greed is exactly the reason that the church is against contraception - more catholics born = more tithes to the church.
Anyone else notice a large country of approximately 80 million people are not on the list?
Uber Alles
who wants to grow a kid into this multicultural bankster enviroment?
Return the muslims to their homecountries, let go of taxes, let go of the current bankster monetary system, set the people free.
I understand that notions such as context and relativitiy are difficult to grasp for a lowly educated, White Supremacy type such as yourself, but Japan has virtually no immigration worth speaking of, and feminism hasn't penetrated the male-dominated culture of Japan to the extent it has most Western cultures, either. Despite this, Japan is seen to suffer from a greater demographic decline than any Western nation.
Ergo, the supposed problem is with industrialization itself, rather than with feminism or socialism. Women are too busy to establish large families in today's modern economies, nor is having a large family an economic necessity any longer. Hence, most women opt out of establishing large families, settling for one or two children, at most.
My wife seems to be an exception to the rule, though. Even in the midst of her studies, she keeps speaking of wanting to have a total of four children, but that seems a bit much to me. We'll see.
The effect of over-crowding is via housing costs.
Wasn't everyone worried about global over-population just 15 years ago? Problem solved in developed countires.
speaking of surrounding oneself with children...the pope could use a few good alter boys. no?
Make that 45 years ago.
http://www.necsp.org/resources/chronological-history-of-the-us-and-ne-po...
One only needs to look at Japanese pr0n to understand the cause.
You can't create babies via ejaculation on a females face nor via playing in her feces.
Until plain old vaginal intercourse comes back into vogue... The Japanese will continue to have a decreasing birthrate.
Not sure why you got all those down votes ... your post seemed fair; the root cause of the decline of birth rates rests with industrialization/urban lifestyles.
Regards,
Cooter
and feminism hasn't penetrated the male-dominated culture of Japan to the extent it has most Western cultures
LOL - how would you know?
Indeed that country is NOT on the list. But I also noticed that nation protects its domestic industries from outsourcing like hitler protecting the homeland.
Church doctrine for 2000 years has maintained that life is precious.
more illiterate worker bees paying 10% the better for the church.
The church also needs able bodied men to fight in the crusades, so more the merrier.
It's really hard to believe that the morons in charge bet the farm on unrestrained reproduction. They knew we had birth control pills, waning theistic indoctrination, and virtually no net financial incentive to reproduce. What the hell were they thinking, that we would have kids to be closer to god, or because they're cute, or fun, or perhaps we wanted to spread the largess of nature? Contrary to catholic propaganda, very few kids were ever born that were not the result of selfish, if sometimes ill-conceived, motives on the part of the parents. For most of history, kids would be needed to work your land at little to no cost. Then the idiots hoarded all the arable land.
Maybe for a $600 credit on your taxes? You've got to be kidding me. The ones still having the kids are just a little slow figuring out how the system works.
BTW, another reason for a thinking person to have kids would be to contribute to the burgeoning strength of their society... Well, I guess they blew that one, too!
very few kids were ever born that were not the result of selfish, if sometimes ill-conceived, motives on the part of the parents.
BINGO!!! We have a winner
You've got to be BATSHIT crazy or just plain SELFISH to bring another slave into this place today.
The selfish assholes are the ones who are too busy acting like teenagers well into their forties and don't know a woman other than as a hole for his dick or someone to make him a sandwich or clean his bathroom. Or they knock a girl up and try to run away.
I used to think like you, until I realized in my late thirties that acting like an overgrown kid for the rest of my life was stupid, while little Juan's mama and little Tyrone's mama have kid after kid and I sit there and wonder, what the hell happened to this neighborhood of mostly white, hard-working people?
My daughter was born out of love and patience. My wife and I have never been happier. Don't wait until it's too late.
Except the lives of native Americans, Africans, Asians, Muslims, Protestants, atheists, agnostics, "witches", communists, and so forth. Columbus brought the first African slaves to America, while he went around the island of Dominican Republic/Haiti killing any native Americans who would not work as slaves to mine for gold. Columbus is gone now but the Knights of Columbus are not, nor is Columbus Day.
The pope should let his priests marry, so that they can understand the financial aspects better.
BTW, lots of black African Catholic priests have wives and kids - and the Church does not publicise it.
The Roman Catholic Church hit peak-Ponzi in 2008. Karma saw fit to visit the Roman Catholic Church for some payback and now the 'Church' is taking it up-the-ass like they have been dishing it out for centuries. Pope Climate Change will be the last Pope because the people of Italy are about to completely destroy the Roman Catholic Church and the Church hierarchy forever. Pope Climate Change will wish he remained in the Bar bouncing bin-ez selling Cocaine when all is said and done.
who wants to have a kid with those monsters stinking up the joint?
Downvoted by idiots who don't understand the coming demographic catastrophe.
If I ask you to imagine a Chinese person, you have a certain image in your mind - epicanthic folds, black hair, short stature, slim, brown/yellow skin.
If I ask you to imagine a Nigerian person, you picture a taller man with black skin and robust jaw.
Imagine an Indian person - caucasian features, brown skin.
How about a South Indian - darker skin but very similar. Longer surnames.
How about a Native American? Or a Japanese person? Or a Fijian? Or an Australian Aborigine?
Each of these groups of people conjures a distinct image in your mind.
But now I ask you to imagine a Frenchman. If you dare say 'white' as any part of that reply, you're suddenly a racist.
What. The. Fuck.
BoingBoing:
"But now I ask you to imagine a Frenchman. If you dare say 'white' as any part of that reply, you're suddenly a racist."
Just 55 years ago if you had asked a person to imagine an American they would have answered 'WHITE' but then came the 1965 Immigration Law which changed the law from White immigrants to 3rd World. Read how it happened here
Italy is developing into a fascist police state. I would not have children there either under such conditions.
All the boat people seem to regard Italy as a transit country as well, preferring London to settle, or somewhere else where there is a support system that can be milked.
God help Italy, Europe and the rest of the world. We are in for some stormy weather I think.
The sick inscription on the "Statue of Servitude"...er, Liberty, needs to be changed.
Why in holy hell would anyone think the motives of the OwnerLords were good, reading that inscription: "Give me your tired, your poor, your sick...(so we can redistribute and make chattel out of them.)"
It's fucking sick.
It should read: "Give me your strong, your healthy, your innovative."
That is the basis for a strong, vibrant nation.
It's just that the strong/capable/self-sufficient don't make very good indentured servants, so of course the ravening sociopaths don't want them.
Look at how the Public Fool System made damn sure to pound the ideas of rugged individualism out of the populace in under two generations.
Open your eyes, look at things AS THEY ARE.
Liberty is granted. Freedom is lived.
And Germany didn't even make it onto the list!
id rather have a few more wops around then toaster headed krauts
and this article gave licence for unbridled racism because.... why again?
What the fuck do you mean by racist.
What the fuck goes on in your fucking head.
If you mean do I think I 'm different than a sub Saharan black where the average IQ is 55 or less, or a fucking chanting moaning suerstion raddled third world goat herder that thinks nothing of blowing his kids up, then yes you re right, I am a racist.
If you think that you are the exact equal to them I just lets me know where to pigeonhole you.
If you think that because I know I am better than a fuckung black faggot Monkey from Kenya, a bathhouse trolling promiscuous lying piece of shit, that makes me racist then you right again.
If you think you are inferior to the fucking faggot in the Whitehouse, it says more about you.
Stupid PC raddled cunt
As a white, anglo saxon, middle class, tertiary-educated male I find your obnoxious, ignorant, bigoted, racist, neanderthal-like spew quite offensive.
Sorry! Too many long words for ignorant scum like you.
Version for twats: Shut up you fucking cunt. You're making us look bad.
This. Well said.
As a tertiary educated upper middle class **** you have absolutely no idea what the reality is because the media censors the news from the inner cities.
A) I never said 'upper'
B) I have lived in an inner city
C) You're a fucking jerk
Well, as Anglo trash I find you repulsive, obnoxious, degenerate, stupid, hideous, sickening, sleazy, gross, foul, abominable, nasty little creature!
Well done, you found a thesaurus.
Hey, leave the Neanderthals out of it.!
They were most likely brighter than most people today!
And they certainly do not deserve to be drawn down to the level of modern man!
You meant to say wildly overshooting sarcasm is only OK if you are using it?
I don't know, Your Guess. The truth is usually obscured in these cases. On one hand you have ignorant fucks that will put people down simply because they don't look like them. On the other hand, you have idiots who will attempt to elevate complete morons simply because they look different and perhaps to appear more compassionate than the ignorant fucks that put people down simply because they look different. It's a circle jerk.
Technically, you could be called a condescension-ist. Just because you are white, middle class, and have a tertiary education, your opinion means more than someone else's? Are you trying to tell me that a disproportionately high percentage of black people aren't ignorant? If you have 5 kids in a poor neighborhood, never support them, think food stamps are a God-given right and expect a single mother and the public school system to turn out Einsteins, well that's just not going to happen in the vast majority of cases. Do you intend to procreate in this fashion? I didn't think so.
When the whole Baltimore thing was happening, I wrote that people should be judged by their accomplishments and definitely not by their skin color. That appears to be happening more and more. I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm saying it's headed in the right direction, even if more slowly than it should. The point is, problems exist on both ends and it's time to call it like it is and not get caught up in politically motivated obfuscation that seeks to assign blame and perpetuate misery as opposed to exposing the problems and solving them once and for all.
While I don't normally speak that way, as a white oldphart, I appreciate the sentiment and can understand the thinking.
That said, though, the goat herder probably has better survivor skills than both of us combined; regardless of his IQ, and that's all that matters in tomorrow's world. You're going to have to know how to survive on dirt and be as horny as hell at the same time.
There once was a time when I could manage that...but I'm getting a little older now. Just rubbing an itch can give me a bruise these days.
Will we still covet the jew-confetti in tomorrow world? Will we Oldphart? What does your crystal ball tell you?
Demographics coupled with insane credit, debt, and leverage are driving this collapse and driving CB reactionary policies to the most predicted crisis ever...
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/02/fundamentally-flawed-chapter-1-advanced.html
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/02/fundamentally-flawed-chapter-4.html
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/05/veneer-of-us-growth-normalcy-has-worn.html
Funny thing is, nearly all or plain all US population "growth" for the next 35yrs is expected to be via immigration and higher birth rates among those immigrants. This is expected to be almost entirely low skill, low education hispanics looking for opportunity and work in the US according to Pew and CBO.
Trouble is, the US isn't creating adequate low skill jobs for those currently in the country let alone for a continued inflow of immigrants. But no immigrants, no US population growth. No population growth, no rising tides of consumerism or house buyers or tax revenues...and the only option is central bank asset manipulation.
Pick your poison carefully.
"But no immigrants, no US population growth. "
It's the other way round. It's mass immigration that is driving down the biurth rate *and* driving the deflation.
Housing costs depresses the birth rate and also reduces discretionary spending creating a deflationary spiral (to add to the one created by the banks).
2% of the population controls 40% of all US wealth. That's a lot of lawns to mow in Bedford Hills.
Italian men love their mothers too much to have children with women their own age.
Do you downers know what he's talking about. 60% of single males still live at home. Over in the usofa you call them basement dwelling creatons. Over in Italy they are called Mammoni..
https://margieinitaly.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/mammoni-mammas-boys-in-it...
Most accurate reply here - why the down votes?
A number of 60-70 year old first gen Italian-Americans (friends of my mother's) go back visiting regularly. They ALL comment about the spoiled Italian sons still living home into their 20's, 30's and 40's.... Mama cooks, does their laundry and waits on them hand and foot. The Italian WOMEN in their 20's, 30's and 40's won't treat them that way and want no part of men that demand that treatment. The WOMEN are working, have careers and enjoying life WITHOUT husbands. They sure aren't having children - and making sure they don't. Not many Italians are all that serious about their Catholicism.
Azerbaijan is a European country now? When did they move? ...is there a forwarding address?
Being a member state of the Council of Europe, NATO (PFP) and OSCE does not a European country make.
Azerbaijan has ALWAYS been a part of Europe, dude! Under the Soviet Union it was part of European USSR. It has had to move nowhere at all.
And good God, 16 up votes? ZH fanbois are turning the comment section into a pile of shit.
No wonder I hardly ever bother reading this bilge any more. Just a bunch of idiot racists, antisemites and ignoramuses who think they know something because they day trade, lol.
the USSR was one political Union stretched across two continents. in the same way as Istambul, Turkey, at the Bosphorus, which has a European shore and an Asian shore facing each other
the geographical boundary between Europe and Asia starts at the Bosphorus and goes on at the mountain range called the Urals
Referring to Azerbaijan as "Europe's top-producing nation" - as this article does - is disingenuous. It's technically an intercontinental state (>97% in Asian territory). You might want to look that up, dude!
Same thing happened in the 17th century during the mini ice age. Having bankster infestation is just like being frozen. Time to quit being frozen and get rid of the banksters.
how many offspring has the pope produced?
Three at the last count.
Vote down! -1
how many offspring has the pope produced?
Little boys dont get pregnant.
Little boys can get pregnancy, a fertilized egg can be implantedin their midsection and fetus will act like parasite which attach itself to any body organs for nutrient so men can be use as a vessel for babies just that they can't give birth traditionally, everything have to be done via c-section. Now go home and practice screaming and breathing.
Pope Francis, for a start - if you yourself can provide all those poor people with housing (not mortages) then they would gladly have more children
your empty words will change nothing
the fault of a system that gives women no support, says professor Elizabeth Addis,
Fucking socialists, dontcha just fucking love em.
If fucking dumb fucking socialists kept their fucking dumb fucking ideas to them selves then this could never happen.
But oh no, women have to have jobs too and same pay and same fucking benefits and they also want to have fucking kids paid for by some other fucking schmuck.
Until they find other schmucks wont pay for their fucking little brats.
My wife quit her good job when our first was born and went back years later when they were all at school .
In ten fucking years I never met a single woman who hasn't bought the globalist socialist bollox hook line and sinker so they get a cheap pool of labor hiring women.
If women quit, they would cause such a drop in the workforce that breadwinner jobs would come back in droves.
My wife still claims it was the happiest period in her life staying home with the kids until school took over.
But I don't pay for other fuckers kids, Fuck that, w1hy should I pay for other bastards kids to be brought up mostly delinquents never seeing their family and farmed out out to baby sitters at my expense. Just so some fucking socialist fucking feminist can claim her right to fucking go to work.
Honey ~ go tell it to ur sexbot!
I have a slight headache tonight.
When our kids were born, ten years apart (both "oops babies") I had my wife stay at home and be a mom. I worked, at times, five different jobs simultaneously (insurance agent, radio jockey, assistant manager at a Hardee's, fuck I forget the other two...oh, one was actually unpaid, volunteer EMT for the County Ambulance).
I had no problem busting my ass to keep our kids until the youngest started school. At that point I was laid off, on welfare and going to college. You can bet your ass I had her get to work. She had spent a year helping a dog groomer for no pay. County called and asked what they could do and I told them to buy her a clipper and a couple blades and put her ass to work. She groomed dogs until recently when she had to stop due to carpal tunnel syndrome and is now the receptionist. She's been at that job for better than 20 years. She loves it. She had an opportunity to buy the whole damn thing but dithered so much that I couldn't support her...she doesn't have the personality to own a business.
If there are kids, Mom's (and Dad's) real job is the kids. Someone's got to go earn a living, and someone's got to be there for the kids. It doesn't matter which one of you it is, but one of you has to take on the shittiest, best job there is...raising kids. The other has to get a paycheck. You figure it out between yourself and your spouse. Mine was more traditional...she said you're the man you're supposed to pay the billls, so that's what we did.
Today, I don't think it matters which one you are, someone has to be home, someone has to working...even in the two income economy. You get a second job.
OldPhart so right...my wife was a teacher of special ed kids in her home state. She moved in with me because I have a decent apartment in a rather safe neighborhood. My daughter just turned one and we could sure as Hell use another income...but dammit! I want her home with the baby. My primary job is stressful and knowing she is there with her mother goes a long way to alleviate that.
My wife is traditional as well. I am tasked with paying the bills, she takes care of the baby. We're both comfortable that way. So we tighten our belts. So what? small price to pay for the joy this child brings us. Every other woman I dated came from a broken home, relationships by and large ended in disaster. This girl came from a big family, her parents are married for going on 44 years. I knew deep down she would be a great mother, and she is. And a great partner as well.
Here is a response with your language:
Why don't you just fuck off and be a stay at home dad for the sake of your child and If it really makes your wife happy I'm sure she will just stay at home and care for the child but I'm pretty fuckin sure that isn't the case. And besides your family only need 1 bread winner correct? Since your wife is back to work already why don't you quit and give your job to some other unemploy?
Pope Francis said "a society with a greedy generation, that doesn't want to surround itself with children, that considers them above all worrisome, a weight, a risk, is a depressed society".
And a society that wants to surround itself with cold, hungry and abandoned children is not depressed?
This is a terrible propaganda piece. The logic is all wrong. If it was correct then the women in Turkey, Azerbaijan and central Africa would have support systems, such as government provided daycare ... and this is not the case.
It is the same false logic used that assumes that people will go more into debt if the interest rates are lower.
In most places that I know, men and women would like to have a traditional family, but the government, the banks and the NGO crowd do everything they can to make it difficult.
People feel insecure in their future and so they refuse to take on more risk for themselves and for their offspring. Francesca is right ... and yes, women/families do feel trapped in economic slavery ... all people, including women, want to be free, but not free to follow careers outside the home, free of government, bank, NGO interference and oppressions. In the past, each child was not only a desired member of the family, they were economic assets that contributed to the welfare of the family unit. Today, governments, banks and the NGOs have ensured that increasing numbers of children cost more than families can afford.
Then the governments, banks and NGOs try to convince people that what they feel and understand is completely wrong and that they feel and understand something completely different. That is why this is such a terrible piece of propaganda. It is designed to propagate a falsehood and make people feel bad about themselves.
"a society with a greedy generation, that doesn't want to surround itself with children, that considers them above all worrisome, a weight, a risk, is a depressed society."
What. A. Cunt.
Yes, society is depressed because it is oppressed.
Yes, I was wondering when the boomers started breeding again.
Fuck, have fun and buy silver, and all will be ok...
It is also the case that Italian men are just ridiculous; they are so spoiled by their mothers that they don't even know that they are spoiled. We knew a young Italian guy a number of years ago, really he was nice guy. He worked full time and so did his wife; when we knew him he was in the U.S., and she was back in Italy (working full time) taking care of their kid. He actually said this to us with total sincerity: "I do not like to change diapers, or do laundry. I do not like to cook or clean the house or shop for groceries. But my wife - she enjoys those things!!! She likes to do them very much!!! It is so good that she enjoys them so much - it is so convenient!!!" Um, clearly his wife had given up on getting any help, and it was easier to just do it herself, so she let him tell himself this nonsense (we Americans just stood around listening to him in amazement). Unsurprisingly that was and remained their only kid. I have no problem with traditional gender roles at home, but this was just delusional, and I don't think it is rare.
God bless American men: when my brother and I were infants my dad did his share of the diapers and suchlike; he figured that my mom was working fulltime so it was his job too; to this day he is very pleased with himself for having done his share.
You bring up a good point though. The door swings both ways. When women are forced into the workforce because of economic oppression, men are forced to take on more roles traditionally reserved for women.
Is it really good to have masculine women and emasculated men? Obviously this is what the socialists want. We are told that there are not supposed to be any masculine and feminine roles. Masculine and feminine roles are from a barbaric past.
Personally, I believe that humans are best in a family unit and even an extended family unit. The socialists attack on the family unit IMO, is an attack on humanity itself.
I agree that humans do best in family units, the more extended the better. I was just making a point about Italian men; they get to have it both ways. Their women are stuck working (whether they want to or not), but they are also stuck doing all the house and kid stuff. My dad grew up working class and his mom worked because she had to, and he helped his mom when he could (his dad was a drunk). My mom was working because she truly had to, and my dad did not feel "demanned" by doing what he could to help her. That is a human thing, it is apart from the feminist/anti-feminist view of it all. The thing is, poor American women have always worked outside the home (well, since the Industrial Revolution), and kindly poor men have consequently helped out at home if they could.
My dad was overseas practically every year of my childhood. Mom worked doing everything from bar maid to being the first Nurse Practioner with the first clinic in the US, and her own Supreme Court decision (soon to be a second). All I knew as a kid was that we were poor. So I had to minimize any demands or expectations. I had two sisters to watch over (on orders from both mom and dad) and a ranch to run while they worked. Doing this from age ten to eighteen. Since I perceived we were poor pretty early on, I got my school lunches from the third grade on working the lunch room and getting a free lunch in payment. To me that was normal.
Hitchhiking/walking twenty miles home from school (taking college classes after the high school day) was considered normal. [I look at Bear Valley Road today, with all the traffic, and remember praying to see headlights from miles away. What a change! Once I'd hit Dead Man's Point I'd beeline across the desert. Behind Lucerne Valley Dry Lake was/is a massive field of cholla cactus that I stumbled into one night. Getting that shit out of your skin requires channel locks and pure-assed grit.)
Let's see. I'm 56, white, professional, and an opinionated asshole.
37 years ago I had no problem changing a diaper, feeding, washing or just playing with my sons. Nor did I have a problem with (being forced) into doing dishes and laundry. You did what you had to do. I've had no problem changing diapers of nieces, nephews and grandbabies. I'm even drafted to give shots to dogs (bullet or medicine).
I'm old enough to know that I don't even know if there are kids anymore that still lived like I did. That built a personal code of honor to do what they have to do, what ever it is, take on a job, make an effort; I know my sons do, but they don't particularly like me.
I'm fine with that.
Hoofing it along Bear Valley road today every day, I think the statistical probabilities of being run over or abducted would make doing that for a year, and surviving, something of a statistical anomaly. That area is ridiculous but I guess the mall is responsible for it and everything clustered there near it.
I don't believe this is an Italian thing alone.
It is an urbanization thing where we have all become slaves of debt.
This is compounded by the fact that despite spending thousands of dollars on raising children, there is no surety of a decent job or future income.
Furthermore, the women's liberalization thing has made all women more educated and independent in the last 50 years (not that it is a bad thing - and become a slave of the tax system as determined by our masters) but the consequence has been more divorces, guaranteed financial wins against men in the courts. All this has caused mayhem in the marital complex and led to single families and hence less children.
The peer pressure and materialism pressure in the urban ghettos also leads to more selfishness and thus again leading to less children. Today's 20 or 30 year typical urban woman does not wish to have many children unless her financial needs are more than adequately taken care of. If needs are unmet, then she leaves the man at a drop of a hat.
From education to rents to food inflation etc have caused too much pressure on the system in the last 20 odd years. More suicides, more divorces, more selfishness to survive and lack of desire to marry when you can get a 'fuck buddy' in today's world where sex is not a taboo in most urban cities that are rapidly growing are some additional causes of lack of children.
In addition, most countries that are under financial pressure for over 8 years now and counting like Greece, Spain, Italy, Iceland etc have to see declining birth rates because our society today is a function of costs and expenses and lives in a city where it is not easy to survive unlike in the past where we lived in a village or a town 50-100 years back and the society at large cared for their neighbours, lived in larger sized family units and it did not cost a bomb to raise a child or to survive.
It is sad to see what is happening in Italy where they burned a bank manager or in South Africa where they are burning people alive in order to force them to flee from South Africa. Middle East unrest, riots in Frankfurt, Athens, Milan, Kiev, HK, Venezuela, Brazil, Somalia etc are all part of societal breakdown due to financial pressures building up and with no relief in sight, it has resulted in riots, protests and war zone like areas in major urban centres around the world (like Detroit and Ferguson). Police atrocities are also on rise.
The worst part is that in places like USA, army and police are training for urban warfare, so they are planning for something that is going to unfold in the next few years.
Another liberal propaganda:
1) Make taxpayers pay for other people's kids - so women wouldnt need to be married
2) Turn Europe into Afro-Arab-Mulatto-Land (it wudnt take long, since Africans have on average 7 kids)
Fucking conservative propaganda. (Since we don't need facts)
Right!! The author has it completely correct! Let's jack up tax rates even higher to pay for universal daycare because no woman ever had a full family while living in poverty without it!
huh, some expert.
That chart makes Azerbajan look like it is full of infants. But their fertility rate was only 1.91 children per women in 2014 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Azerbaijan), which is not even replacement level. So none of those countries are even at replacement level.
perhaps the Italians are just further along in their indoctrination of teaching women to hate men?
If you want that big house, let the debt monkey jump on your back.
And then you can kiss the family life goodbye. The price we all pay in the name of so called progress.
If it was a matter of poverty, then third-world countries would all have low birth rates.
I'm afraid Pope Francis is right, and the charts are misleading: the EU countries with high birth rates (the Netherlands, France, the UK, Sweden, etc) are also the ones with the highest numbers of immigrants. Those are the ones who provide the healthy birth rates figures, not the natives.
Maybe Italy have less multiculturals breeding within their nation. White briths are on the decline Europewide.
In Britain, 2014 for example,
Britain's Most Popular Boys' Name... Mohammedhttp://news.sky.com/story/1383350/britains-most-popular-boys-name-mohamm...
The white nigger population of the USA is having more imbeciles.
Most popular name? Jethro
Ouch! Somebody is pissed off! Your name must be Mohammed?
Nope, I am atheist Aryan.
But Muslims have never bothered me in contrast to the Buybull thumping Christers who like to get in people's faces.
But you still choose to live among "Christers"?
By Aryan do you mean Indian or Iranian?
Sorry, I meant Teutonic.
This country is primarily atheists .
It's nice to see the growth in the Muslim population in your region. Soon America will have the opportunity to host the Muslims in mass.
It's the only way to fight the filthy jew, support the Muslims. Encourage them to grow and immigrate to ussa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Mexico
Then after the great war your offspring must never allow the jew in Upper America ever again.
Jews are busy building their bunkers and will control the world after they kill all the ChristStains and Muslims.
You obviously don't know what Aryan means or who Aryans were. Aryan is a Hindu word, and it basically means "a noble person." And Aryan people were from Iran/Persia and northern India. I very much doubt you have ancestors from that part of the world. So are you Aryan again? No.
"...data carried out by" BabyCentre (LLC), part of the Johnson & Johnson group and based in San Francisco. Interesting wording (data carried out by) don't you think?
Their "experts" and "insights" have been featured on NBC, CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC etc. So they've provided "data" regarding Britain's most popular boys/girls names for 2014 to Sky News, yet not a single mention as to where this "data" came from. It's not even published on the BabyCentre web (2010 is the last list for Britain).
...makes you wonder if this is legit, or yet another stirring of the pot.
Blessed be the declining birth rate. A global Ponzi scheme of every generation reaping fruits from a more populous next one is not sustainable. Japan is not prepared to face the reality and many Western nations want to mask this by immigration, bloody fools. None of current advanced economies is based on a sustainable ground in this regard and this is not rocket science, but basic mathematics.
Some people bitch about over population , others bitch about low birth rate.
This planet is a living being and will cast off a few hundred million when it catches a cold.
Big Sneeze =Yellow stone Caldera blows.
Germans are no longer doing "it", apparently as they are supposedly too busy paying for the rest of them.
Print moher children
All people are not created with equal abilities. The least able people and countries have been having the most children for a long time now. The movie 'Idiocracy' is turning into a documentary.
It is true . There are very few jobs available for women in Italy and they are dscriminated with reduced salaries .
As pointed out by the article support for working mothers is almost non existent and the same applies for the fanilies too . But the government can find the money to pay for dozens of F-35 and navy submarines . The goverment supports a military establishment completely unbalanced , there are too many officers and not anough troops . There are thousands of retired high ranking officers on stratospheric retirement salaries . The Businesses are some of the most taxed in the world in many cases a form has to pay 9 months of taxes before it starts making a profit . Many firms escape the Financial Gestapo and migrate to near Austria , Slovenia , Switzerland amd Serbia . Non we have and incompetent government that does give the wrong signals to the smugglers of humans . The Italian Coast guard , instead of deterring smugglers by towing the boats away from the coast of Italy , is used as a Ferry boat . I do not sse much hope for this country , we are being over run by migrants . I must say that some groups make a profit from accommodating the migrants , the Church " charities and the MAFIA . In Italy everything becomes a racket when the government pays .
The fiscal pressure in Italy is just incredible, as if someonde applied it by design to completely destroy the Italian industrial/economic base. Add the uncontrolled illegal immigration (completely unskilled labour) encouraged by the Italian governmet and mass media. I'm afraid the future of Italy has been already written, it was a great country to live in.
In 200 years, it'll be Chinese. They are buying up Italy hand over fist. It'll be a chine mercantile and middle class, a few upper classes in lombary and the north, and hordes of untermensch blacks, maghreb, and arabia.
I like how this article implies that there is no altrnative to immigration for Italy. So an overpopulated country with high unemployement just needs more unskilled immigration to be in step with the modern world? (modern world=depressed third world shit hole)
Whose idea was it to place Azerbaijan and Armenia in Europe? Next they will be putting Israel and Iran there as well.
Israel is already there., (when it suits them). They bullied their way into the Eurovision song contest.
Israel is above any laws, if you haven't noticed.
and into UEFA.
Elitist monetary system working as intended. Notice how much propaganda has been devoted to reducing the population over the last 40 years? Psychopaths despise large number of people out of their control. They've always been more comfortable dominating and destroying smaller populations.
mass immigration is preventing people getting married and starting a family because of housing costs.
Really, citing Daily Mail and Guardian?! They carry more diseases than a 60 yr old hooker ffs! And what that Anglo trash is suggesting Italians now, that they start importing Africans so their "birth rates would go up" and that filth even have the audacity to bring economic factors into the picture: look folks, you don't have enough jobs, hence you are not producing enough, so lets bring in Negroes so you would have even fewer jobs and your women would completely stop reproducing. That is kind of logic Anglo scum is selling in every other aspect regularly, not just in this piece of propaganda trash!
Italians are reproducing enough for their needs. They don't have to have population of 100 million, and neither do Japanese. 40-50 million is big enough.
As for Anglo scum, let that trash bring in Negroes to their land. Let those Africans settle in Britania. Quit prying into other countries and their people's business, scum! Hard to find something more disgusting than Anglo trash in this world!
I used to like London. Now its hard to find a white person there.
I've never liked London. To diverse for my taste. Besides Anglo stench is unbearable there. Only vista of London which attracts my interest is that of smoking, ruined, annihilated, crushed and wiped out London. I would very much like that London. :)
What Anglo has to do with it? There are Italian/Greek/etc liberals/socialists advocating the same BS.
English liberals fcuked UK up big time, but it doesnt mean that all British people supported it (africanization of UK)
I see Anglo media selling this propaganda trash up there! And most of continental European media space is owned by Anglo corporations or Atlanticist agents in those countries, 5th column!
p.s.
That 5th column is socialist, liberal, Marxist, just like those who were running Britania ever were. You cought on that right.
The reported demographic numbers are shocking and not only from Italy. The same situation is in Eastern Europe newly incorporated to EU. In small cities all men are gone abroad since there is no job for them and will never be.
Army of women cannot dream about their wedding not only because economic situation but first of all due to lack of available local young man. In thousands of small cities median age of habitants is way over 60 year in some 70 effect that in history only was achieved during all out wars or epidemics.
Even in Christian dominated countries, priests and councilors advise desperate young women to become mistresses to wealthy men (sponsors) as a legitimate way to support themselves, have a child or cover educational costs or away to find a job. As a result army of prostitutes grow.
Shockingly the same situation is among often well to do women over 55 which are facing reality of catastrophic collapse of men longevity since many men dying in their early fifties being broken financially and mentally, unemployable without any status in family or society many years before chance of any retirement.
Thousands of women’s adds looking for mature companion or marriage and asking for nothing (no money) but cleanliness, no smoking, no drinking and no drugs and no depressed outlook, and find nobody that fit description between age of 40 and 60 in seemingly happy and prosperous European societies.
How to even try to explain it without realizing the there is sort of silent war going on covered up even by peons of propaganda states.
People have been program to be ashamed of their perceived failures and utterly deny objective fact of their silence victimhood to massive EU socio-engineering policies liken to barbaric cleansings of unworthy to live.
Day after day casualty pile up completely ignored by those who “made it for today” ignorant of the fact that they are next.
You can see on the graph in the OP that it's at least partly driven by feelings of financial security and in particular people's ability to build a nest - housing costs - as you can see the birth rate was going up during the credit bubble and has been declining since the crash.
Demographics only matters to Ponzi schemes.
It seriously doesn't matter whether a nation's population is increasing or decreasing. The only people who really care are the sociopathic politicians and bankers who need a growing population to support welfare, pensions and infinite debt growth.
if people are having fewer children it indicates that they don't have the time or resources for more children. i.e. time and resources are limited.
Fixing this demographic "problem" by encouraging imigration only makes it worse, the time and resources are real limitations being experienced by the people choosing to have fewer children. Bringing more people in simply makes time and resources more scarce.
The real problems are the Ponzi based welfare, pension and debt based monetary systems. These are what need to be fixed.
Oh yeah, the pope is one to tell everyone else to "surround themselves with children"...How many has he sired and paid tuition for?
Well, get the 3 D printer out and let's make more children.
The trend is not looking good. Anyone with any sense and who is not surviving on govt handouts sees the writing on the wall
100 years from now this earth is going to be populated exclusivley by an excess of fatherless gangbangers fighting with mexican landscapers over the few plots of arable land
Depopulation test run? 75% of children who received vaccines in Mexican town now dead or hospitalized
Read more: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED | The History The US Government HOPES You Never Learn! http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3ZvBWQKx3
Since wemen in western society became "liberated" from their evil male captors they decided that the reason evolution made them to exist to produce offspring was a thing of the past.
for a woman conditions are never "just right" because we all know wemen don't know what they want
weah the future is pretty much going to look like MADMAX, without the nuclear war.
A band of black warlords with big dicks hoarding their female harems and producing kids while killing eachother.
The white western metrosexual male will be long extinct or kept as food for the pigs
Being poor has little to do with it. It is the divorce rate. Just look at the top highest countries:
Worldwide Divorce Rates ““ Top 20
Countries with Highest Divorce Rates per Capita
1. Belarus 68%
2. Russian Federation 65%
3. Sweden 64%
4. Latvia 63%
5. Ukraine 63%
6. Czech Republic 61%
7. Belgium 56%
8. Finland 56%
9. Lithuania 55%
10. United Kingdom 53%
11. Moldova 52%
12. United States 49%
13. Hungary 46%
14. Canada 45%
15. Norway 43%
16. France 43%
17. Germany 41%
18. Netherlands 41%
19. Switzerland 40%
20. Iceland 39%
21. Kazakhstan 39%
Now add on the push to be gay, excessive government taxes and you can easily see why the birth rate is so low.
The cause of demographics collapse: women right and feminism (and abolishing the traditional family structure).
No convinced ? Just read the end of the article, start at "As CBS News adds..." a lot of red-pills here.
Q:Why traditional countries have NOT demographics problem ?
A: It's about how their women are raised, the entire Western feminist model is about to collapse because it cost too much money, is unsustainable and irrational.
Societies that that doesn't keep the "weaker sex" in check are doomed to collapse, history prove it.
Meanwhile men going Galt and fishing, good.
"cost too much money, is unsustainable and irrational"
Just like the women in New York City - ferocious. So glad I'm done with that scene of confused gold-diggers, bipolar bitches - "I don't need a penis between my legs - I already have one inside my brain."
Shudder.
Somali Muslim boat people .... are considered "live berths" .... unless their boat capsizes .... then they are DOA .... strangers on the shore !
Well if the godddam USA didn't start wars that make them flee, there wouldn't be that problem, right?> you goddam little punkass shit for brains MORON.
Socialist anti-family formation taxes strike again .... not to worry .... millions of Muzzies .... to take up the slack ..... reproduce or perish !
How about spitting out more Buybull thumping Christers with IQ of 50?
God, to be there on that happy day when feminism is thrown on the funeral pyre of her evil father banksterism.
The same liberated women who complain about Italian men being sexist don't complain about their abusive and violent Arab and African lovers for some reason.
Women will make good life decisions---marry early to a good, hard-working man, have enough children to look after them both in old age, raise them up properly, treating them as investments and not overgrown pets---when they have incentives to do so. Those incentives won't return while men are still obliged to pay taxes to pay women to do nothing in government offices.
"Italian women would "like to have more [children], but the conditions just aren't good enough," laments one new mother"
The same story in every White country. The reason is IMMIGRATION, legal and illegal by non-European peoples. And this is NOT by chance, but rather by design. This is the result of DIEversity, of immigration laws being changed to facilitate the replacement of the native, White populations.
EU to force European Nations to Accept Migrants
A Mother’s Day Meditation: Women Can’t Have It All—But They CAN Have The Future
America in 1960 was 90% White, now Whites are a dwindling population in the land their forefathers made into the greatest nation on earth.
Since 2000, All Employment Growth Has Gone to Immigrants
Obama Plans Fast Track Voting for Illegal Aliens in 2016
The KEY to understanding the otherwise inexplicable destruction of America, Europe and Australia
Look up Barbara Spectre Lerner. Here is a video of what she had to say about who is behind 3rd world immigration into all of Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
There is another member of the same tribe, Anetta Kahane in Germany saying the same things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M
Mugging Americans: ObamaCare’s Jonathan Gruber And Norbert Schlei Of The 1965 Immigration Act
Norbert Schlei Interview
Moishe and the boys hate the white Europeans with a passion - historically they were the ones who were always kicking Jews out of their countries, Inquisitioning them, etc. And we know very well the Tribe NEVER lets a grudge die...What better way to destroy this enemy than to breed them out of existence. Same goes for America, too. And the white people having kids here, well they'll be raised as Christian Zionists so they are basically Jews inside their brains, if not actual Jews, so they won't be a threat.
Their home country is called a "Jewish State"...this means yeah, they'll let the Africans and Arabs in, but they don't have to treat them equally, or even humanely. Multiculturalism for the whites in their nations. pure bloodlines for the Chosenites in theirs.
Land of the FREE? ROFLMAO. Read this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
“You Make It, We’ll Take It”: DEA Took a Young Man’s Life Savings Without Ever Charging Him with a CrimeMay 12th, 2015
Via: Washington Post:
Joseph Rivers was hoping to hit it big. According to the Albuquerque Journal, the aspiring businessman from just outside of Detroit had pulled together $16,000 in seed money to fulfill a lifetime dream of starting a music video company. Last month, Rivers took the first step in that voyage, saying goodbye to the family and friends who had supported him at home and boarding an Amtrak train headed for Los Angeles.
He never made it. From the Albuquerque Journal:
The agent found Rivers’s cash, still in a bank envelope. He explained why he had it: He was starting a business in California, and he’d had trouble in the past withdrawing large sums of money from out-of-state banks.
The agents didn’t believe him, according to the article. They said they thought the money was involved in some sort of drug activity. Rivers let them call his mother back home to corroborate the story. They didn’t believe her, either.
The agents found nothing in Rivers’s belongings that indicated that he was involved with the drug trade: no drugs, no guns. They didn’t arrest him or charge him with a crime. But they took his cash anyway, every last cent, under the authority of the Justice Department’s civil asset forfeiture program.
How many do i need to breed?
Pope told everyone after WWII they needed to reproduce to 'repopulate the world'. These popes for fuck sake .... always recruiting for membership
Wealth = natural resources / population.
The fewer Italians, the wealthier Italians will be. What mother would want to have more children, knowing they will be poorer, instead of having fewer children, knowing they will be wealthier?
And that they will be freer.
Thomas Jefferson said, "when we are as crowded into cities as the people in Europe, we will have as few freedoms as the people of Europe."
Italy is SEVERELY over-populated and HYPER-congested, as a result of centuries of domination by the catholic cult and it's compulsive breeding dogma.
The best thing that could happen to Italy is a huge reduction in population, congestion would be relieved, housing costs would trend towards reasonable, etc
My plan for fertility is simple: abolish Social Security, Medicare and all welfare programs, and repeal all laws concerning parental discipline, school attendance, alimony, child support, and child labor. Neglect, abuse, and exploit your kids all you want, but remember that you'll be dependent on them someday.
Feminists, Muslims, and evidence all agree on a strong inverse correlation between fertility and female self-esteem. That's why feminists elevate girls over boys, while Muslims and Orthodox Jews do the opposite. My plan would simply cut off all public funds to women, forcing them to turn to individual men for help.
Of course no Congress or Parliament will even look at my plan, but they'll achieve the same effect by spending us into third-world poverty.
We need to get guys excited about children again. It's time to legalize having many wives.
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/can-a-man-have-many-...
Clearly immigraton and being islamized is not a solution to the problem.
Clearly immigration and islamization is not a solution to the problem.
Since when are Azerbaijan and Turkey a part of Europe?