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America's Achilles' Heel

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Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via Club Orlov blog,

Last Saturday, a massive Victory Parade was held in Moscow commemorating the 70-year anniversary of the surrender of Nazi Germany to the Red Army and the erection of the Soviet flag atop the Reichstag in Berlin. There were a few unusual aspects to this parade, which I would like to point out, because they conflict with the western official propaganda narrative.

First, it wasn't just Russian troops that marched in the parade: the troops of 10 other nations took part in it, including the Chinese honor guard and a contingent of Grenadiers from India. Dignitaries from these nations were present in the stands, and the Chinese President Xi Jinping and his wife were seated next to President Vladimir Putin, who, in his speech at the start of the parade, warned against attempts to create a unipolar world—sharp words aimed squarely at the United States and its western allies.

Second, a look at the military hardware that rolled through Red Square or flew over it would indicate that, short of an outright nuclear mutual self-annihilation, there isn't much that the US military could throw at Russia that Russia couldn't neutralize.

It would appear that American attempts to isolate Russia have resulted in the exact opposite: if 10 nations, among them the world's largest economy, comprising some 3 billion people, are willing to set aside their differences and stand shoulder to shoulder with the Russians to counter American attempts at global dominance, then clearly the American plan isn't going to work at all. Western media focused on the fact that western leaders declined to attend the celebration, either in a fit of pique or because so ordered by the Obama administration, but this only highlights their combined irrelevance, be it in defeating Hitler, or in commemorating his defeat 70 years later. Nevertheless, in his speech Putin specifically thanked the French, the British and the Americans for their contribution to the war effort. I am sorry that he left out the Belgians, who had been so helpful at Dunkirk.

One small detail about the parade is nevertheless stunning: Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, a Tuvan Buddhist and one of the most respected Russian leaders, who presided over the Emergencies Ministry prior to becoming the Defense Minister, did something none of his predecessors ever did: at the beginning of the ceremony, he made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual. Then followed the slow march with two flags side by side: the Russian flag, and the Soviet flag that flew on top of the Reichstag in Berlin on Victory Day 70 years ago. The march was accompanied by a popular World War II song? Its title? “The Sacred War.” The message is clear: the Russian military, and the Russian people, have put themselves in God's hands, to do God's work, to once again sacrifice themselves to save the world from the ravages of an evil empire.

If you try to dismiss any of this as Russian state propaganda, then here is something else you should be aware of. Did you hear of the spontaneously organized procession in which, after the official parade, half a million people marched through Moscow with portraits of their relatives who died in World War II? The event was called “The Eternal Regiment” (??????????? ????). Similar processions took place in many cities throughout Russia, and the total number of participants is estimated at around 4 million. Western press either panned it or billed it as an attempt by Putin to whip up anti-western sentiment. Now that sort of “press coverage,” my fellow space travelers, is pure propaganda! No, it was an enthusiastic, spontaneous outpouring of genuine public sentiment. If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting.

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Instead of collapsing quietly, the US has decided to pick a fight with Russia. It appears to have already lost the fight, but a question remains: How many more countries will the US manage to destroy before the reality of its inevitable defeat and disintegration finally catches up with it?

As Putin said last summer when speaking at the Seliger youth forum, “I get the feeling that no matter what the Americans touch, they end up with Libya or Iraq.” Indeed, the Americans have been on a tear, destroying one country after another. Iraq has been dismembered, Libya is a no-go zone, Syria is a humanitarian disaster, Egypt is a military dictatorship executing a program of mass imprisonment. The latest fiasco is Yemen, where the pro-American government was recently overthrown, and the American nationals who found themselves trapped there had to wait for the Russians and the Chinese to extract them and send them home. But it was the previous American foreign policy fiasco, in the Ukraine, which prompted the Russians, along with the Chinese, to signal that the US has taken a step too far, and that all further steps will result in automatic escalation.

The Russian plan, along with China, India, and much of the rest of the world, is to prepare for war with the US, but to do everything possible to avoid it. Time is on their side, because with each passing day they become stronger while America grows weaker. But while this process runs its course, America might “touch” a few more countries, turning them into a Libya or an Iraq. Is Greece next on the list? What about throwing under the bus the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), which are now NATO members (i.e., sacrificial lambs)? Estonia is a short drive from Russia's second-largest city, St. Petersburg, it has a large Russian population, it has a majority-Russian capital city, and it has a rabidly anti-Russian government. Of those four facts, just one is incongruous. Is it being set up to self-destruct? Some Central Asian republics, in Russia's ticklish underbelly, might be ripe for being “touched” too.

There is no question that the Americans will continue to try to create mischief around the world, “touching” vulnerable, exploitable countries, for as long as they can. But there is another question that deserves to be asked: Do the Americans “touch” themselves? Because if they do, then the next candidate for extreme makeover into a bombed-out wasteland might be the United States itself. Let's consider this option.

As the events in Ferguson, and more recently in Baltimore, have indicated, the tensions between African-Americans and the police have escalated to a point where explosions become likely. The American “war on drugs” has been essentially a war on young black (and Latino) men; about a third of young blacks are behind bars. They also run a high risk of being shot by the police. To be fair, the police also run a high risk of getting shot by young black males, causing them to be jumpy and to overreact. Given the gradually collapsing economy—close to 100 million working-age Americans are unemployed (“outside the labor force,” if you wish to split hairs)—it would seem that for an ever-increasing chunk of the population cooperating with the authorities is no longer a useful strategy: you get locked up or killed anyway, but you get none of the temporary benefits that come from ignoring the law.

There is an interesting asymmetry in the American media's ability to block out information about civil unrest and insurgency: if it is happening overseas, then news of it can be carefully calibrated or suppressed outright. (Did American television tell you about the recent resumption of shelling of civilian districts by the Ukrainian military? Of course not!) This is possible because Americans are notoriously narcissistic and largely indifferent to the rest of the world, of which most of them know little, and what they think they know is often wrong. But if the unrest is within the US itself, then the various media outlets find themselves competing against each other in who can sensationalize it better, in order to get more viewership, and more advertising revenue. The mainstream media in the US is tightly controlled by a handful of large conglomerates, making it one big monopoly on information, but at the level of selling advertising market principles still prevail.

Thus there is the potential for a positive feedback loop: more civil unrest generates more sensationalized news coverage, which in turn amplifies the civil unrest, which further sensationalizes the news coverage. And there is a second positive feedback loop as well: the more civil unrest there is, the more the police overreact in trying to control the situation, thereby generating more rage, amplifying the civil unrest. These two positive feedback loops can continue to run out of control for a while, but the end result, in all such recent incidents, is the same: the introduction of National Guard troops and the imposition of curfew and martial law.

The swift introduction of the military might seem a bit odd, considering that most police departments, even small-town ones, have been heavily militarized in recent years, and even the security people at some school districts now have military vehicles and machine guns. But the progression is a natural one. On the one hand, when people who habitually resort to brute force find that it isn't working, they naturally assume that this is because they aren't using enough of it. On the other hand, if the criminal justice system is already a travesty and a shambles, then why not just cut through the red tape and impose martial law?

There is an awful lot of weapons of all sorts in the US already, and more will come in all the time as the US is forced to close overseas military bases due to lack of funds. And they will probably get used, for the same reason and in the same fashion that red bricks came to be used in Boston. You see, plenty of red bricks kept coming into Boston aboard British ships, where they were used as ballast for the return trip. This created the impetus to do something with them. But putting up brick buildings is a difficult, demanding process, especially if laborers are always drunk. And so the solution was to use the bricks to pave sidewalks—something one can do on one's hands and knees. Similarly with the military hardware sloshing back into the US from abroad. It will be used, because it's there; and it will be used in the stupidest way possible: shooting at one's own people.

But bad things happen to militaries when they are ordered to shoot at their own people. It is one thing to shoot at “towel-heads” in a far-away land; it is quite another to be ordered shoot at somebody who could be your own brother down the street from where you grew up. Such orders result in fragging (shooting your own officers), in refusal to follow orders, and in attempts to stand up for the other side.

And that's where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison. For instance, ISIS, or the Islamic Caliphate, was masterminded by people who had previously worked for Saddam Hussein, while they were imprisoned by the Americans. They took this opportunity to work out an efficient organizational structure and, upon release, found each other and got down to work. Having a third of young American blacks locked up gives them all the opportunity they need to organize an effective insurgency.

To be effective, an insurgency needs lots of weapons. Here, again, there is a procedure for acquiring military technology that has become almost routine. What weapons are being used by ISIS? Why, of course, American ones, which the Americans provided to the regime in Baghdad, and which ISIS took as trophies when the Iraqi army refused to fight and ran away. And what weapons are being used by the Houthi rebels in Yemen? Why, of course, the American ones, which the Americans provided to the now overthrown pro-American regime there. And what are some of the weapons being used by the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad? Why, of course, American ones, sold to them by the Ukrainian government, which got them from the Americans. There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests. It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation.

And that's where things get really interesting: a well-armed, well-organized insurgency composed of thoroughly radicalized, outraged people who have absolutely nothing to lose and are fighting for their home turf and their families squaring off against a demoralized, defeated US military that has just failed spectacularly in every country it “touched.”

They say that “You can't fight city hall.” But what if you have a tank battalion that can control four intersections all around city hall, turrets pointed in all directions, firing at anything that moves? And what if you have enough infantry to go around and ring the doorbells of all the key city hall bureaucrats? Wouldn't that change one's odds of victory in fighting city hall?

The US might get to “touch” a few more countries before this scenario unfolds, but it seems likely that (excepting the possibility of all-out war) eventually America will “touch” itself, and then all those countries whose troops marched through Red Square last Saturday won't have America to kick around any more.

 

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Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:06 | 6087958 ekm1
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This is parody

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:11 | 6087979 post turtle saver
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this is ridiculous horseshit is what it is...

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:43 | 6088661 doctor10
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not quite parody.

That "modified limited hangout" Seymour Hersch just launched about Osama is the tip of the iceberg.  It is an attempt to anticipate and control  "the real story" that some other intelligence service is about to eject into the public.

The DC /NY crowd hasn't yet figured out what to do when the next shoe drops about 911.

When the public gets the story straight-the DC/NY crowd may NEED the Dept of "Homeland Security"

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6087964 lolmao500
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But but but! Manifest destiny means taking over the world, be slaves to banks and kill all the brown people to happily live ever after in a police state!!

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:49 | 6088513 El Vaquero
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Speaking of, I got pulled over about an hour ago for "acting suspicious."  Trying to figure out where to turn late at night is "suspicious."  I pressed the cop pretty hard about which statute he thought I was breaking, and it finally boiled down to "turn signal."  In other words, he was fishing, because they sure as hell don't enforce that one in NM. But he sure as hell came on strong about how I was acting "suspicious."  This was SO, not APD, by the way.

 

This was all after I refused to roll my window all the way down.  "I'd rather not, officer." 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:09 | 6087971 post turtle saver
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I don't need to try to dismiss this as Russian state propaganda, because it *is* Russian state propaganda...

where did you fuckers dig up this delusional ankle biter anyway?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:41 | 6088216 Kirk2NCC1701
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Speaking of BS, dear PTS, in an unrelated event, the extent of ignorance and serf-like kowtowing to the Ministry of Truth's "anti-Russian" propaganda, the most gifted dancer was eliminated on tonight's Sem-Finals of DWTS (Season 20).

Nastia Liukin had the highest scores all Season and had two perfect scores last night, 70/70 (4x10 and 3x10).  She is a US Gymnastics Gold Medalist from the 2008 Olympics.  Unfortunately for her, she has Russian parents and was born in Moscow.  As predicted by several of us in our family, although we thought that she should win the Mirror Ball if pure Merit (skill + artistry) was considered, she was eliminated, when her scores were combined with Viewer votes.  We called it.

Interestingly enough, the wounded ex-GI, who is literally missing an arm and a leg and had much lower scores all season, is in the Finals.  The guy was pretty good (considering his handycap/disability), he is likeable and admirable for his indominable spirit, but hey c'mon, it's a frikkin DANCE show!  A clever PR move on his part, to play the Sentiment card, is that he proposed to his GF, right on the show.

So, when it comes to 'Mericans handling inequity or truth, they fail. BIG TIME.  You don't have to look at DC or NY to know that "Bullshit and Mediocrity is everywhere".

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:43 | 6088351 ersatz007
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DWTS is pretty much the hunger games. Just different (for now). Someday it will morph into KWC - killing with celebrities. The idea of the show is that a nobody and famous celebrity team up to kill poor people.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:10 | 6088481 OldPhart
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What the fuck is semi-final DWTS?

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:51 | 6088517 El Vaquero
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Certainly the Russians use propaganda.  All governments do.  But the US seems to be on overdrive with it. 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 10:03 | 6089161 farflungstar
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Not much for news that doesn't "AmeriKa Uber Alles", eh?

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:10 | 6087974 sysin3
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tl;dr

Jesus, put your main idea in the first paragraph, and then expound on it (provide supporting evidence).

A snappy conclusion is good too.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 07:47 | 6088757 nopalito
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Ever thought about running for office? You'd make a typical congress critter who votes on 500-page bills without reading them.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:11 | 6087980 Pancho de Villa
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Hubris will destroy the World.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:40 | 6088060 post turtle saver
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I wouldn't worry too much... "fascism is a matter of taste", don't you know...

go ahead you RTyler fifth column Pooty Poot bag swingers, try to erase *that* one out of the history books... pro tip, if some guy from China named Ribbentrop shows up on your doorstep, don't sign anything...

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:53 | 6088672 Dame Ednas Possum
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Ha ha ha... you're not funny.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 08:35 | 6088856 post turtle saver
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that's because I wasn't trying to be... it's the truth, read up on history

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 09:31 | 6089050 Max Steel
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You read shit cunt .

 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:11 | 6087981 LetThemEatRand
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But a bunch of black youts badly beat up a guy in Baltimore.  Isn't that more important, and doesn't that prove that black people are the real danger facing all of us?  

I'll bet this article gets 20% of the reads of "that" article, and a lower percentage of the posts.  Because, you know.    

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:28 | 6088028 Miffed Microbio...
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Cerebral always loses to visceral no matter what the topic LTER. It's just human nature.

Miffed

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:33 | 6088037 LetThemEatRand
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On this we can agree, Miffed.  Which is especially sad given that the people who orchestrate or at least foster this division amongst us are sitting around having cerebral discussions and drinking fine brandy as we type, laughing their asses off (or having a good chuckle, as they would say).

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:46 | 6088087 Miffed Microbio...
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On that I have no argument. Divisiveness has been always a key component of their methods.

The sad fact is simply the ease of which they accomplish their goals. My hope is they become complacent or we become enlightened but, as the years go on, I find neither very likely. Hence my attraction to the local world where I have at least a modicum of control and say in my destiny.

Miffed

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:11 | 6088149 Anusocracy
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Moral intuitions have a yin and yang make-up and the majority of people are susceptible to being manipulated in either direction.

http://www.moralfoundations.org/

1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance.
2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism. It generates ideas of justice, rights, and autonomy. [Note: In our original conception, Fairness included concerns about equality, which are more strongly endorsed by political liberals. However, as we reformulated the theory in 2011 based on new data, we emphasize proportionality, which is endorsed by everyone, but is more strongly endorsed by conservatives]
3) Loyalty/betrayal: This foundation is related to our long history as tribal creatures able to form shifting coalitions. It underlies virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it's "one for all, and all for one."
4) Authority/subversion: This foundation was shaped by our long primate history of hierarchical social interactions. It underlies virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions.
5) Sanctity/degradation: This foundation was shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. It underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).

We think there are several other very good candidates for "foundationhood," especially:

6) Liberty/oppression: This foundation is about the feelings of reactance and resentment people feel toward those who dominate them and restrict their liberty. Its intuitions are often in tension with those of the authority foundation. The hatred of bullies and dominators motivates people to come together, in solidarity, to oppose or take down the oppressor. We report some preliminary work on this potential foundation in this paper, on the psychology of libertarianism and liberty.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:14 | 6088289 Demonoid
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Each paragraph of your post satisfies me intellectually, emotionally, and intuitively. Nice hat trick.

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:29 | 6091993 Anusocracy
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You're just sweet talking me.

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:38 | 6092009 Miffed Microbio...
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Actually I enjoyed it myself as well. But Mr does think I am a tad bipolar with a touch of ADHD and slightly schizophrenic, so take that with a grain of salt.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:55 | 6092036 Anusocracy
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Variety is the spice of life.

I would think that you tend towards Asperger's. Most people here seem to have systemizing brains

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 01:41 | 6092085 Miffed Microbio...
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My Aspie friends would disagree only because I am so empathic and can "feel" things in others they cannot. An empathetic Aspie, hmmm. The duality does fit me. This may be why I must feel like a Stranger in a Strange Land. My astrologer friend thinks it's my Sun in Pisces, Moon in Aries. Alpha and Omega rolled into one. Surprisingly, I can chew gum and walk at the same time.

I agree. The world seems bent on conformity and normalcy. I find that exceedingly dull and limited. You, my friend, seem unaffected I am happy to note.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:56 | 6088520 El Vaquero
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"Divisiveness has been always a key component of their methods."

 

We fundamentally pay black people (not around my neck of the woods, there aren't very many, and the ones who are here are generally pretty cool,) to act the way that they do, then we turn around and act surprised when they do some stupid shit.  The US government provides incentives for this shit, and then when the ones who don't act like total retards get nailed, we get outraged.  IMO, this won't turn into an out and out race war, but I could see flare ups in urban areas over race that are bloody and nasty.  We're paying for it.  It'll be fun to see what our money buys us.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:40 | 6088058 Anusocracy
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Emotional thinking preceded critical thinking by many millions of years.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:48 | 6088232 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Cerebral always loses to visceral" will be true until Agenda 21 (hopefully) eliminates the Neanderthal gene from the global population.

IF there were a real 'Deity' with real brains up there or someone truly "doing God's work", then that's ALL you had to do, for the Human species to keep evolving, is to...

Keep filtering out the bottom end of the IQ and EQ segments of the Population.  Not placing any bets on that one though. [sigh]

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:40 | 6088063 trulz4lulz
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The article gets it wrong about the prison system. When martial law and war breaks out, I'm pretty sure the prisons can be shut down and filled with co2. Thus eliminating the prisoner insurgency hypothesis. Our government is a sick animal that needs put down. But what foul beast emerges from its stinking and bloated rotting corpse? No one can say for sure.

 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:43 | 6088073 chunga
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The one thing I disagree with is where Orlov thinks US media market principles still prevail.

Courtesy of ZH'er Lumberjack's link we learn that's not true.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/ceo-compensation-media-idINKBN0...

Investors in some top U.S. media companies have had a rough ride as their shares have lagged the rest of the market. You just wouldn’t know it if you looked at the bank accounts of their top executives.

 

The CEOs of 11 major media companies were given median compensation of $32.9 million for 2014, much higher than any other industry group in the Standard & Poor's 500 index, according to regulatory filings posted in the first four months of this year and analyzed by executive pay consulting firm Farient Advisors for Reuters. Food & staples retailers came in a distant second at $24.5 million.

 

It is set to be the seventh successive year media industry executives come out on top – figures before 2008 are not comparable because of the way pensions and stock options are disclosed.

copy/paste earlier reply.

The stock price of US media companies must not be as important as complete and utter control of it's content.

I had to look up a few CEO's to confirm my hunches. We've got:

Bob Iger at Disney, Phillippe Dauman at Viacom, Leslie Moonves at CBS, and Jeff Zucker at CNN to name a few. Sumner Redstone's father changed the family name from Rothstein incidentally. I was wondering about this because I found it curious that the guy (Richard Fletcher) that got beaten to a pulp by 50 "teens" wasn't reported anywhere. I don't think it was ever on "Drudge Report" either.

It's a complete blackout on this, just like the ebola media hysteria of near certain extinction/pestilence that practically vanished from the "news"  and, apparently, ceased to be this massive epidemic literally days after Ron Klain became "Ebola Czar". Presto it's gone just like that.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 04:02 | 6088523 El Vaquero
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Eh, the local "conservative" talk radio station plays Hannity, Rush and Savage.  I heard about Fletcher yesterday on Savage.  While Savage is a tool, it was in the MSM. 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:12 | 6087985 Chad_the_short_...
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Jews are purposely destroying the USA while they simultaneously make Israel the World's next superpower. USA will be ruined with thugs like Baltimore and all the dual citizen jews who worked/funded/forced the destruction of the USA will go to Israel and be free, where there is no multiculturalism. They use that on us to completely destroy us while they build Israel into the world's powerhouse. It's coming whether you believe it or not. The Jew has had a plan for thousands of years.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:31 | 6088163 F0ster
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Mishpocha is ironically what makes Jews supremely organized and effective against the Goyim. It's ironic that it's financial and political rewards in the near term create destabilizing anti-social effects on the society's they inhabit that those society's eventually kick them out. Mishpocha is a parasitic concept that will only rot the core of Isreal too as it will force Isreal's neighbors to destroy it.

To my Jewish friends, consider the real historic 'value' of Mishpocha and integrate with the rest of us in a more genuine format. Your future generations will live happier lives and maybe even get to keep Israel in the long term. If you don't you will inevitably fail. The failure of the U.S. is partially a result of the Jewish obsession with Mishpocha.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:32 | 6088411 Kirk2NCC1701
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And what's preventing Goyim clans from doing the same thing,  i.e. have inordinate allegiance to own extended family, Clan and Tribe? 

A: the bastardized and corrupted version of Christianity, which turns people into sheeple.  If the Jewish god  (Elohim/YHWH) changed them from slaves into rulers,  then WTF would his "Son" reverse that?  Why?  I'll tell you why: Because the Church was Roman.  And as a Roman Church,  it compiled the NT to suit the Roman elite: Blessed are the poor, Don't worry be happy, Turn the other cheek... 

The Reverse Darwinism makes you want to vomit.  Christianity only works if its society competes with other Christians, or against far less developed cultures.  When facing a highly homogeneous, organized and determined foe, Christianity folds.

Either Christianity needs to be cleansed of the noise and garbage, or it needs to be replaced with a superior worldview -- which could actually deal with and defeat Globalist Zionism.

IOW.. They are not the real problem; We are..

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 10:31 | 6089289 F0ster
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There's a lot of truth to this comment (playing Devils advocate here)

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:59 | 6088256 Klemens
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"Jews are purposely destroying the USA while they simultaneously make Israel the World's next superpower."

They call them self jews, but they are Khazars, they do not belive in the Old Testament, the bible of the Khazars is the Talmud!

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:09 | 6088278 Pava
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are you retard?...go check your head

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:15 | 6087994 Chad_the_short_...
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Hitler was the one person who stood up to the most evil, satanic, inhumane, immoral thugs who's ever walked the face of the earth. Why are people celebrating defeating him? He stood up to the central banks, the lobbyists, the jews who took over the media and turned the minority against the majority, trying to do exactly what they HAVE done to the USA. Tell me again why defeating him is something to celebrate?

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:24 | 6088015 LetThemEatRand
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Hitler used base ethnic and religious hatred to build a brutal military dictatorship.  So there's that.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:14 | 6088293 Transformer
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Chad... As I understand it, Hitler did not stand up to the banks, but did break with them.  He started out with their backing and then broke with them when he wanted to go his own way, so to speak.  He figured out how to trade with other countries without borrowing from the big banks.  He then did some of the most clever financial machinations the world had seen up to that point.

Hitler adopted some of the principles of Silvio Gessel, which had worked so well in the miracle money scrip experiment in Worgl Austria during the depression.  He created a monetary system that quickly rebuilt Germany, often called, at the time, the "German Economic Miracle"  This infuriated the big banks, as they do not want the world to know that a free monetary system will make for unprecedented prosperity.

If we still had a free monetary system in the USA, we would probably have a standard of living easily 3-4 times what we have today.

Everything about Hitler is bad, though, so the media does not talk about alternate monetary systems.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:26 | 6088317 slavador
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Hitler revived Pagan symbols and mixed them with atheistic religion to create an idealized pre-christian society. America and Europe will repeat this error if they continue to secularize but stop training the males to be sissies. A pagan/atheist society were males exist in their natural aggressive state is a recipe for genocide. 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:29 | 6088031 jamochavez
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You are a fucking moron

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:46 | 6088072 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, we're being downvoted for arguing that Hitler was a bad guy.  This just goes to show why we're fucked.  So let's say you're a guy who hates central banks like me.  You rail against them and call for change.  Then some guy says "what about Hitler?  He was against central banks!"  Then the discussion becomes about Jews.  Oh, and then you go to the top article and read highly upvoted comments about the "Planet of the Apes."   I wonder what the Tylers really think about this place becoming the internet version of a Klan meeting.  Is it all about the clicks?  Clicks with dicks?

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:54 | 6088112 Usurious
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dont believe everything you were taught in 9th grade history class....its been sanitized for your enjoyment.......

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:05 | 6088132 LetThemEatRand
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Let me give you one glaring example of the sanitation in 9th grade history class:  Hitler used Christianity to pursue his power.  WWII Germany was full of Christian symbols, and the chosen Christian sheeple as they saw themselves ate it up like hotcakes.   That fact was somehow missing from my text book in 9th grade.  

Religion has been used since the beginning of mankind to turn us against each other.   And of course ethnicity. The ZH comment section has become an excellent example of how this works.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:36 | 6088338 slavador
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Hitler didn't use Christianity for anything except as a source of great buildings and as a source of folks  to convert (using propaganda and coersion)  to his particularly nasty pagan/atheist cult. He was very public in his desire to destroy all Churches as his 1000 year reich progressed.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:58 | 6088682 gwar5
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Of course you didn't see it in your 9th grade text, you don't even remember 9th grade, you just made it up as a statement of fact. That's the kinda shit that turns people against each other.  

 

"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it." --George Castanza, #7 of 10 most hilarious quotes

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:00 | 6088123 jamochavez
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Agreed rand. I despise our politicians and central bank- this country is run by criminal bankers and low life grifters. But I really am not sure how to respond to someone that sides with hitler.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:14 | 6088291 Anusocracy
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Why the fixation on Hitler? The US government is taking the world into a nuclear war, isn't that the pressing problem.

So, is Hitler running the US gov? In spirit maybe.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 10:19 | 6089230 farflungstar
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Hollywood Juden cannot and will not ever stop talking about Hitler. He's their hero. Their idol. Their whipping boy. The bad boy ex-boyfriend who beat the shit out of them, cheated on them, robbed their jewelry for drug money and also fucked them so good they couldn't stop begging for more. They could never really let him go - he's largely responsible for their "jewish" state of israel.  

Running the USSA gov't. is Juden in high places - also bought and paid for non-Juden slaves (Lindsey Graham, John McCain etc, etc) - therefore Hitler's spirit is alive and well each time collective punishments were / are enforced on Palestinian / Iraqi / Afghan civilians.

They couldn't and still can't ever stop talking about him. They should have streets named after him. The Grand Hitler Concourse.

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:43 | 6088352 Ward no. 6
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it is easy to respond to ppl who side with Hitler

tell them they are fucked up

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:39 | 6088343 Ward no. 6
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this place can really suck sometimes

i can't believe i come here at times

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:01 | 6088379 Hamsterfist
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The commentors from /pol/ overran ZH, ZH and the Tylers went with it, because, ads.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:17 | 6088491 OldPhart
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I wonder what the Tylers really think about this place becoming the internet version of a Klan meeting.

 

One of the reasons I seldom comment on these sort of rants.  It's silly, stupid and devisive.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:51 | 6088096 Anusocracy
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Well, if you consider that the US entry into WWI set the stage for Hitler, then the US is more evil country.

And since WWII, the US has been the most violent, aggressive country by far.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:06 | 6088139 Tarzan
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"then the US is more evil country"

The whole country? including the Iowa Farmer minding his own business, who's son was drafted into a war he didn't choose?  Or the billions like him on both sides of the war?

 

Wake up!  This bullshit is orchestrated by a hand full of old men who depend on morons like you to do their killing.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:57 | 6088239 Anusocracy
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All governments are evil and will behave in a similar fashion. Just give them the opportunity.

Anyone who wants government shares in that evil. After all, government's kill total for the 20th century was about 400 million, and how many did Hitler personally kill?

In terms of relative evilness, Pol Pot was the worst. He was a two-bit thug that killed about a third of the Cambodian population.

In a nutshell, I hate them all and I despise all government lovers.

"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. . . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem."
—Howard Zinn

http://www.seesharppress.com/warquotes.html

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:58 | 6088375 ersatz007
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If you hate the government so much why the fuck are you on the Internet - something created by the govt of the U.S. (for the most part)? Do you drive on govt funded roads? Etc... Seriously if you dislike the govt - then you should not avow yourself of any of the infrastructure it has helped to bring about.

Honestly most of the modern contrivances you most likely enjoy would not have been possible were it not for some type of govt funding or research. Does this mean I want the govt involved in every aspect of my life? Certainly not. But I also recognize that some of the great achievements of mankind would not have been possible without govt. that said, some of the most horrible atrocities currently occuring and that have occurred are also the result of govt.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 05:16 | 6088576 Charming Anarchist
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Bullshit. 

Most of the modern contrivances you most likely enjoy would have been bigger, better, cheaper and come quicker onto the market. 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 10:26 | 6089274 ersatz007
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do you know anything about electronic packaging technology?  do you know where and how it was developed?  do you know how the internet was started?  and why?  granted, private companies and indviduals helped and in many cases have completely innovated/invented modern technology.  but it was with the gov't's assistance in some instances that this technology was able to be implement as the infrastructure underlying our society.  

 

again - i am no big fan of gov't, and certainly,  we could survive without it.  and what we have today is a complete and utter abomination of what our founding fathers intended.  i get all that.  but to act as if the gov't has not done or contributed to ONE single thing that has benefited mankind is absolutely fucking ridiculous.  

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:28 | 6091990 Anusocracy
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A few inventions at a cost of trillions of dollars a year and most of them for the MIC.

Seriously, what would a free market economy done with that kind of money each year?

You are probably a true believer government tax-eater.

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:23 | 6091977 Anusocracy
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The only reason useful things are created by government is they steal and use 40-60% of the economic output.

If I controlled several trillion dollars each year I would guarantee far more, and far more useful inventions than the government could.

And isn't there a museum in Belgium or Holland dedicated to the person who came up with a rudimentary internet in the 30s that used a ticker-tape and card file system?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:04 | 6088386 Hamsterfist
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Wouldn't any collective be considered "government"?  Any time you have laws and rules, no matter how local, and people too enforce those rules, no matter how democratic; isn't that a government?  I would assume even hunter gatherer groups had a form of government.  So basically, unless you are living by yourself alone on the moon, you will have to share in that evil.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 05:18 | 6088579 Charming Anarchist
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Nothing has to be evil.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:22 | 6089416 ersatz007
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hamsterfist - i think what most people are referring to when they use the word 'government' is, in fact, the military industrial banking complex - much of which has had an incredibly corrupting influence on our government and has been able to infiltrate it all levels.  as you point out, some type of governing occurs even at the tribe level or family level.  so there is no way, in any type of 'society', to avoid some type of government.  those that preach we can exist without government are no better than the communists/socialists they despise who conversely insist government can protect us from ourselves and the state is all.  

government itself is not the disease - the disease are the corrosive and corrupting factors, often disparate, that slowly kill and eat away at a government.  lobbies.  corrupt politicians.  lazy bureaucrats.  and yes, many (not all) welfare recipients (both the individual kind and the corporate kind) that take advantage of society by acting as parasites.  our founding fathers tried to create a government that would be for the people and by the people.  they created a document called the 'constitution' that layed out the framework and guidelines for how it could be achieved.  

obviously, none of that means shit if the PEOPLE don't adhere to those guidelines and circumvent the law of the land - which in our case is the constitution.  folks can blame the evil boogey-man 'the government' all they want, it still doesn't change the fact that WE are the government and we have all, every last one of us, allowed this to happen.

Thu, 05/14/2015 - 00:39 | 6092010 Anusocracy
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Government - AKA alpha-male social hierarchy - is an adaptation from the animal world that has no use and no place in a human world.

Four hundred million dead by government in the 20th century.
Only someone as completely hard-wired as an ant could accept that.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:54 | 6088109 Tarzan
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Because Hitler was a tool of the central bankers who fomented both sides and it ended a war that killed the following, MORON!

Country Military Civilian Deaths USSR 13,600,000 7,700,000 21,300,000 China 1,324,000 10,000,000 11,324,000 Germany 3,250,000 3,810,000 7,060,000 Poland 850,000 6,000,000 6,850,000 Japan - - 2,000,000 Yugoslavia 300,000 1,400,000 1,706,000 Rumania 520,000 465,000 985,000 France 340,000 470,000 810,000 Hungary - - 750,000 Austria 380,000 145,000 525,000 Greece - - 520,000 United States 500,000 - 500,000 Italy 330,000 80,000 410,000 Czechoslovakia - - 400,000 Great Britain 326,000 62,000 388,000 Netherlands 198,000 12,000 210,000 Belgium 76,000 12,000 88,000 Finland - - 84,000 Canada 39,000 - 39,000 India 36,000 - 36,000 Australia 29,000 - 29,000 Albania - - 28,000 Spain 12,000 10,000 22,000 Bulgaria 19,000 2,000 21,000 New Zealand 12,000 - 12,000 Norway - - 10,262 South Africa 9,000 - 9,000 Luxembourg - - 5,000 Denmark 4,000 - 4,000 Total - - 56,125,262
Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:11 | 6088153 Chad_the_short_...
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WW2 was all for JEWS to get israel. Hitler lost this war so the Jews won you fucking IDIOT.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:25 | 6088190 jamochavez
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You are a fucking moron

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:33 | 6088206 Chad_the_short_...
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You are the fucking moron. Until people realize WHERE the attacks are coming from, we will continue to be a lost society with clueless idiots like yourself cheering on the very same people that are literally destroying everything you stand for, or think you stand for. You idiot peasants have been JEWFUCKED so bad you don't even know what or who you are or what you stand for, or should stand for. lol Oh yea, and your daughter's pussy was great last night by the way. Love breaking those young 19 year olds in.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:49 | 6088233 jamochavez
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This all because I am not a fan of hitler. And who am I cheering on again. And my daughters pussy-you are a fucking moron and low life. Enjoy your life you piece of shit

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:13 | 6088404 Tarzan
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The women and children too, gas them also?  Or just the Banker Jews?

lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.  Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.

Don't be EVIL

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:38 | 6089519 ersatz007
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Look - Chad - just because the Jews are better than you at the banking thing and gaining influence with the governments of the world - doesn't mean you have to be all jealous and shit.  Try to learn from them, yo.  Then maybe your life won't suck so much and you won't need to make yourself feel better by berating other people and their daughters.  

It's understandable...it sucks when you finally realize that someone runs circles around you.  But you have the choice to either rise to the challenge or just beat the shit out of the person that's better than you. 

And, let's face it, the Jews have been doing the usury gig for thousands of years.  So they're good at it - they had to get good at it because in most cases their very survival depended on it and it was the only 'trade' they were allowed to do in most civilizations.  Why we're mad at them for making a profit on lending out money I don't understand.  How is it any different from Walmart or Exxon or Microsoft making a profit?  Hell, I mean, heck, even the bible says that lending money out at interest is OK under certain circumstances.  Not to mention the fact we non-jews do it too..but apparently when christians charge interest it's, well, christian.  And when Jews do it...well, we all know it's pure fucking evil.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:55 | 6088250 Kirk2NCC1701
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Luciferian, Kabalist Zionists were perfectly happy to cut off several branches off the Jewish tree, to get it to grow the way they wanted it to.  They call it Pruning. 

If you look at the OT closely, you'd realize that Moses and Joshua did the same thing.  So there's Tradition there, you could argue.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:58 | 6088118 trulz4lulz
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No Hitler was a figure head of the first modern example of a military industrial complex. Funded by complex banking mechanisms and industrialists, the Fascists built a lie that's stood for decades. The Russians and Chinese were meant to be exterminated in the second world war, they only delayed their march. Only a Fascist would have skipped a world war two anniversary in Moscow remembering the 27 million Russians who lost their lives. Interesting times.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:15 | 6088162 Motasaurus
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Your history is bad and you should feel bad. 

Primary international of the Nazi party were:
The World Bank
Rockefeller
Ford
General Motors
JP Morgan Chase
General Electric
Coca Cola
British Royal Family
Prescot Bush
Royal Dutch Shell
Standard Oil
Schneider-Cruezot
W.A. Harriman Company
I.G. Farben (and the American subsidiary)

Neither Hitler nor the Nazi Party "stood up to" any bankers or internationalists. They were the face of the internationalists. 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:30 | 6088201 LetThemEatRand
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"We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." -- George Orwell.

And he wrote that a while back.  We're fucked.

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:06 | 6088392 Hamsterfist
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh!  Don't tell that to the Hitler glorifying master race people.  Hitler did no wrong!  Besides take money from very powerful people.....

You'd have to believe that ONLY Jews are the rich and powerful, who have a secret agenda to do over the regular Joe.  I am a conspiracy nutter, to a degree, but you'd have to be a pure moron to think it's only da Jews.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:10 | 6088279 Pava
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look in here...another one of those

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:53 | 6088366 AGuy
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"Hitler was the one person who stood up to the most evil, satanic, inhumane, immoral thugs who's ever walked the face of the earth."

No, Hitler was a socialist, and did what most bankers dream about, enslaving the population. During Hitler' reign of terror, living standards of Germans fell significantly for the production of weapons. The Nazi economic model was a military Keynesianism state, and could only sustain itself by taken the resouces of its neighboring states. The Nazi party leaders enriched themselves of the wealth stolen from the people they conquered. All of the the Nazi leaders lived lavish lifestyles paid for by the state.

The first rule of fight club should be that all politicans suck. In the event you think there exists a politican that doesn't suck, re-read the first rule.

 

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:08 | 6088394 Hamsterfist
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Plus he took their guns and was a vegan!  The horror!

 

Seriously though, Hitler was a bad guy with bad guy backing who fought against other bad guys with bad guy backing.  

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:29 | 6088420 Gavrikon
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"Why are people celebrating defeating him?"

I think the article speaks for itself.  Germany attacked the Soviet Union.  At almost unimaginable cost in human lives, the USSR pushed the German army back to Berlin.  Hitler stated clearly how he felt about communism and the Soviet Union in Mein Kampf.  It is a matter of national pride in Russia to honor those who died and what is considered among the Russians a great achievement. 

Doing so strengthens the Russian resolve to stand against the US and NATO today.  It also serves to remind Germany what happens when she attacks the Rodina.

As an American living in Germany, married to a Russian/Ukrainian, the only political axe I have to grind is that war has never been "good."  They have been disasters for Europeans, cajoled into slaughtering each other.

Where was Hitler born?  Versailles.

Was the US Civil War necessary?  Somehow, every other country managed to free its slaves without the bloodshed.

I could go on and on.

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:24 | 6088634 fockewulf190
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"Tell me again why defeating him is something to celebrate?"

Why not take a trip over to the war memorial in Volgograd and ask some of the locals why they celebrate defeating Hitler?  Make sure you brush up on your survival, evasion and escape skills before you go because you may need them.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 08:37 | 6088862 Ward cleaver
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Chad, you shouldn't put those ideas out there. Shhhhhhhhh

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:17 | 6088002 Cityzerosix
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All roads lead to STALINGRAD

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6088003 Usurious
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a dying british empire started 2 World Wars (WW1 & WW2) in order to try and save itself and to try and maintain its monopoly of rape, plunder and genocide.......what will your empire do?

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:45 | 6088078 InvalidID
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 The US won 2 world wars in order to take over as lead dog, you gonna yap and bite ankles are challenge the lead dog? 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:01 | 6088127 trulz4lulz
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Did you read that on a tee shirt?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:15 | 6088161 bid the soldier...
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lead dogs get old before they die, when other dogs become lead dog

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:45 | 6088446 Kirk2NCC1701
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The problem with 1-dimensional lines, is that they are easily countered -- as the above responses demonstrate. 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:44 | 6088224 Motasaurus
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The perception that the British Empire died, rather than morphed, is perhaps a fair enough conclusion to make. But the truth is that in 1913 the British Empire regained complete financial (and thus political) control of the United States of America. From that point on (though British influence had been building for much, much longer: The Union, for example, was funded by British finance and industrialists in the Civil War). 

The truth of the matter is that the British Empire financed both the Soviets in Russia and the Nazis in Germany. They even started out financing the Japanese (as they had been doing for well over two centuries at that point). Perhaps the only surprise for the Empire was the Japanese turning against them and moving to take Malaya and Singapore rather than consolidating their hold on China and moving into Siberia. 

The British Empire still reigns supreme to this day. All Boats lead to London. 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:13 | 6088274 TeethVillage88s
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I was just saying the same thing tonight on a different article.

I wish I could prove that or find more places to look for proof. Any Suggestions?

I suppose US Presidential history, Biographies...

Actually I think Jim Marrs documents this partly with bibliography in his book Rule By Secrecy, I saw where he mentions the forming of the UN by Woodrow Wilson, CFR, Britain, USA, Russia, China in 1944. Then in 1945 at Yalta they agreed to split up Korea... which they had to hide as they needed justification for a war to split up Korea.

But United Nations and CFR may have been British Inventions to back stop the Balfour Letter/Agreement to Create Israel.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:13 | 6088287 LetThemEatRand
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If you want a lowbrow bit of proof, read Drudge.  He's supposedly the face of conservatives in America, and chances are you'll see a favorable article about the British Royalty on his front page. Or if that fails, look at any other mainstream American media.  

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 15:11 | 6090279 TeethVillage88s
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Thanks. Also the Story of Wild Bill Donovan "Mr. CIA" was a war hero from WWI. He was an Ivy League guy from the Upper Class. It seems the British may have asked a Canadian to befriend Bill Donovan and bring him to The English Cause of War Against Germany. Bill Donovan did Petition FDR at some point for an OSS type Organization. And Bill visited Europe and toured to gather Intelligence on the Italian, Spanish, and perhaps the German Fascist before meeting with MI-6 or MI-5. That is when he returned to FDR and was Appointed to create the CIA.

Although Donovan was Irish, and was able to lead Irish Soldiers in WWI... He seems to have loved war and the upper Class. But it has the Finger Prints of the British all over it.

In fact there is a persistent feeling that the British always had Spies in the OSS & CIA.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:19 | 6088005 Ms No
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I have a feeling we will be dealing with troops from other nations before our large and ever growing number of enemies turn the US into a hole in the ground.  Saw this stalking ND papers.

http://www.nationalguard.mil/News/ArticleView/tabid/5563/Article/577047/ghana-continues-partnership-with-tour-of-north-dakota.aspx

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:27 | 6088026 Cast Iron Skillet
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It's always good to have the Ghanians as strong allies.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:38 | 6088053 Ms No
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And then there is this HUGE new military range encompassing large portions of MT, ND and SD, supposedly for B52s.  Montana fought it alone but to no avail.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/air-force-moves-ahead-with-bomber-training-area-over-montana/article_53a979f4-997a-11e3-8c90-0019bb2963f4.html

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:30 | 6088032 kchrisc
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America is the country of people and the land they inhabit. The US is the criminal nation that is criminally occupying and oppressing the American country and people.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:31 | 6088036 orez65
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Yes, I will agree that we have some serious economic problems in the US.

But we will get it straightened out. As Churchill used to say: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." 

But for this article to claim that the Russians, Chinese and Indians will prevail is total and absolute bull sh.t!

The Russians gave the world Communism! Now that was progress!

The Chinese had Mao Tse Tung "improve" on the Communism that the Russians gave us. More progress!!

The Indians were colonized and exploited by a handful of Brits for about a hundred years. Now that was a "strong" society.

Get a life!

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:07 | 6088141 sprintjump
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A certain ethno-religious group gave the world communism. And that is a fact, jack.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:03 | 6088265 Savyindallas
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The jews -and they are damned proud of it  -just as they are of having hijacked the US government and military to have created total destruction ("creative destruction " as jew Neocon Michael ledeen would say.)

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:11 | 6088282 Pava
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where do you morons come from?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:52 | 6088453 DutchBoy2015
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Before Zionism there was no such word as Communism.  Get educated, asswipe

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:12 | 6088285 Pava
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there was no stopping goyim from robbing/killing a jew...something had to be done about that

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:19 | 6088457 Kirk2NCC1701
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And yet you and like-minded people  seem to embrace its other inventions: Modern Monetary System, FRB, fiat currency, Compound Interest and... [drumroll]... Christianity. 

Now that's ironic. 

p.s. Once they sell you on the hokey Book Of Genesis, and the devious bear traps of Original Sin and thus Eternal Debt, which were clever Jedi Mind Tricks, they got you by the brain and balls.  After that, they can sell you anything

Care for some magical bread and wine?  Just be sure to wipe the wine glass, to prevent catching germs or viruses.  

What can I tell you?  The Masses are dumb, ignorant and malleable.  That's how parasites and predators keep propagating: an endless supply of food.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:16 | 6088165 northern vigor
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The world forgets that the Soviets marched  into Poland from the east, when Hitler was coming in from the west.

We overlook the fact that Stalin was allied with Hitler and started the war. Now Russians want credit for stopping it.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:27 | 6088195 Anusocracy
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BFD

How many countries has the US attacked recently?

And who should have stayed out of WWI?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:05 | 6088389 AGuy
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"We overlook the fact that Stalin was allied with Hitler and started the war. Now Russians want credit for stopping it."

Stalin no doubt was just as evil and twisted as Hilter was, Regardless, a lot of Russians died during the war, not fighting for Stalin, but fighting for their lives and families. Not everyone in Russia was party communist, just as not ever american is a socalist.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:37 | 6088436 Hamsterfist
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How many troops did Hitler put on the Eastern front?  On the Western front?  Find out the answer, then tell me, who did Hitler view as his real threat, and who overcame his MUCH larger force and armament?  That should really clear up who won what for who.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 21:49 | 6091650 northern vigor
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It was called the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. 

It's  clearly over the heads of the 11 down voters. 

Sat, 05/16/2015 - 00:57 | 6099780 napper
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Stalin, not the Soviets.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:27 | 6088192 Jorgen
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"As Churchill used to say: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." 

Americans AD 2015 are not the same kind of Americans AD 1941. By the same token, BHO is no FDR or Truman, and obviously no Eisenhower.

"The Russians gave the world Communism! Now that was progress"

Really? You should educate yourself in real history, not PCBS they teach in schools.

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:28 | 6088318 F0ster
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"The Russians gave the world Communism"

And the U.S. wrapped it in iPhones, porn and Kim Kardashians butt and made it sexy to Prius driving zombies.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:39 | 6088440 Hamsterfist
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America helped defend the British empire during WWII before even considering D-Day.  So maybe Churchill, was an ingrateful dickwad.

Sat, 05/16/2015 - 00:56 | 6099779 napper
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IMHO, Winston Churchill was just a lucky blend of colonialist, imperialist, racist, liar, drunkard, BS'er, and gambler.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 20:21 | 6091427 napper
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Wed, 05/13/2015 - 20:20 | 6091434 napper
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Karl Marx, a German Jew, first proposed the ideas of Communism.

 

The first community to embrace Communist ideas was formed in Paris, France.

 

Educate yourself first orez65. You sound like a typical brainwashed American dumbass.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:42 | 6088069 InvalidID
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 I wonder if Putin took his cock out of the authors mouth when he was typing this up, or if he made the guy choke on it and write at the same time...

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:23 | 6088184 Anusocracy
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He couldn't have. It was in your mouth at the time.

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:52 | 6088086 SweetDoug
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'

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Cities come and cities go. They are born and then they die when they outlive their purpose.

Now, more and more, they exist for no more purpose than to warehouse people.

It's time to let cities like Baltimore and Detroit die. There's no reason for them.

They're just on the life support of democrat welfare and social assistance.

Pull the plug. The brain is dead. Let the body die.

Cut off the welfare, so people will either move to where the jobs are, or sadly, to where the welfare is.

•?•
V-V

 

 

Tue, 05/12/2015 - 23:49 | 6088091 q99x2
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Q99X2! Rruuunnnn! the GodDevphrodites are coming.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 01:02 | 6088263 TeethVillage88s
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"If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting."

Well... Many USSR peasants or serfs were forced to the Front, they say at gunpoint without weapons as they were told to pick up weapons lying on the ground.

But was going to say in compulsory service you are taught the Military traditions, to march in uniform, in parades, for the leaders, you are taught Patriotism, you are Indoctrinated.

It was a horrible war, but some say if Stalin had cared for his people he would have not killed 10-12 Million of his citizens. Often this is called Democide.

Non of the Scandinavian countries sacrificed more than a Million people I think. Poland was Raped, Yugoslavia Raped, Romania Raped.

Communism is about Indoctrination. How else could they kill millions of Christians in Gulags.

Yes, I think you can remember indoctrination with fond memory because the human creates this ability as a survival technique.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:04 | 6088131 luna_man
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Just stop it, Dmitry...You're scaring some folk!

 

talkin about "insurgency" and everything

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:10 | 6088145 Lordflin
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To suggest that the Russian, Chinese, and Indian governments represent some sacred quest is, hmmm... What was the popular word in the article above... mendacious... try laughably absurd. East meets West... same group of chest thumping, flag waving criminal thugs... only the languages differ.

That the Russian people would fight valiantly to defend their homeland... that is a given. But to suggest there is any good side to this, that is a lie... just a lot of under educated people caught in some evil device not of their making, looking for some direction... same there as it is here... who, when all else has failed them, will become convinced that if they can just find the right dumb son of a bitch and kill him all will be right with the world.

I am getting too old. I have seen too much. I have taken this ride, I know where it goes... frankly gentlemen you can stop this ride and let me off at the next stop... preferably before all of the screaming and dying begins if you please...

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:52 | 6089574 napper
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Not sure what you are ranting about, but there is absolutely no doubt that it's morons and lunatics in the US who have pushed the Russians, the Indians and the Chinese together. Is that a sacred quest?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:18 | 6088170 heywood2
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More hilarious Russian propaganda. How much does ZH get paid to print this crap??

 

Seriously, America has its problems, but Russia is far worse... a true basket case.

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:01 | 6089402 farflungstar
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Nothing like being confronted by problems and issues then saying, "Well the other guy's worse!"

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:19 | 6088176 dogismycopilot
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ok, for the dot.gov trolls who are tyring to set the tone of comment and thought process right out of the gates, let me remind you again:

Fact 1: Obama is the spawn of the most rabid, BLACK, communist in America. Frank Marshall Davis. Go to www.joelgilbert.net and prepare to have your eyes opened. Obama is a rabid socialist who doesn't mind breaking eggs to make an omlet. In fact, I think he rather likes breaking eggs and the United States is the big chicken farm. Yemen, Syria, Libya, Ukraine are just appetizers. 

Fact 2: John Kerry was an avowed communist sympathizer with the North Vietmanese Communist government. He preys on other people like a remora fish. Christ, he's a kept man who must instead expert power over his dominion versus at home.

Fact 3: There is a group of Jews that are hell bent on destroying the world who are running the US: Wolfowitz, Victoria Nuland, Zbigniew Brzezinski and a WHOLE FUCKING LEGION OF THEM IN LOWER POSTS! I am not an anti-semite. In fact, I have some great friends who are Jewish. They even agree with me that there are "some really fucking crazy Zionist out there". 

Russia will not back down from the US. Never. That's what Orlvo is telling us.

Personally, I think Russia has God on their side (and clean non GMO food and clean water). The currency of religion is faith, which is a very strong emotion. Certainly a much stronger emotion than perception which seems to be what matters to Obama & Co. Faith is a very powerful force. That's why Obama and Co want the American people to be Godless - because Godless people can be controlled easily. 

 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:51 | 6088235 sprintjump
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Personally, I think Russia has God on their side

And that is a big question for me... is VP absolutely Christian? The Orthodox Chruch has seen a rise in support, and many Russians are OC. They are definitely a hardened people.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:24 | 6088416 Aussiekiwi
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God, tooth fairy, Father Christmas, whatever is necessary to make the moronic masses kill themselves so those in power can prosper, never changes.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:38 | 6088655 gwar5
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Better to make moronic masses kill for a man in power like Obama? Stalin? Moa? Hitler? 

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:11 | 6088400 ersatz007
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I don't know why so many on this site are so bent out of shape about the Jews Looks like they're being good capitalists: assessing the market, and profiting from it. How is what they do any different than what Walmart does?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:13 | 6089442 ersatz007
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lots of downvotes - no cogent replies.  pussies.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:11 | 6088402 ersatz007
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I don't know why so many on this site are so bent out of shape about the Jews Looks like they're being good capitalists: assessing the market, and profiting from it. How is what they do any different than what Walmart does?

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:34 | 6088428 Radical Marijuana
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In fact, I have some great friends who are Jewish. They even agree with me that there are "some really fucking crazy Zionist out there".

Good for you to state the correct qualification ...

A search for the words 'hate crime' in this thread
9/11 shall produce 3 hits which anticipated this:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-cites-hate-crime-laws-when-asked-about-its-zero-tolerance-for-israel-boycotters-1.3067497

Ottawa cites hate crime laws when asked about its 'zero tolerance' for Israel boycotters

Numerous articles have confirmed,
the current Canadian government
totally supports the Empire of
the Anglo-American Zionists!

The current government of Canada is dominated by
"Crazy Christian Zionists," who are NOT "Jews."

That government could again "succeed"
through their own "divide & conquer"
to continue to be the government, &
make the most rabid remarks about
Russia, that were even worse than
made by government of the USA!

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:44 | 6088444 Hamsterfist
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I wish Obama was a rabid socialist.  ='(

We would have gotten Medicare for all, a higher minimum wage and maybe some benefits that actually helped society.  

Instead we got more of WAR, WAR, WAR, liberal economics and shock doctrine capitalism.  I wish, I wish, Obama was the crazed commie portrayed by the right.  At least I could respect him, and even the loonies on the right who think this.

 

Oh.  The US has the largest fresh water and clean water supply in the world.  Even if the SW is drought stricken.  

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:28 | 6088639 gwar5
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Youe'r not black or hispanic enough to get any socialist utopian favors from Herr Obama. Didn't work out for you because it is never meant to, so it never does.

 

'Let me tell you a secret. The secret is that there is no such thing as 'socialism'. It is a lie. I tell you it simply does not exist. It is not written anywhere, so who is to say what socialism is, or is not? Nobody! So socialism is whatever we say it is, and nothing more. The truth of the matter, if you really must know, is that we just make it up as we go along so we can do as we please.'

-- Lenin in Vienna, Solzhenitsyn (excerpt paraphrase)

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 04:03 | 6088524 napper
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Neither Obama nor John Kerry have the brains to be communists or capitalists. They are just puppets.

 

There is no God, and Russia doesn't need one for help.

 

Rabid neo-con lunatics in the US are themselves the closest thing to a guarantee of defeat and demise of America. Get a second passport and get ready to move. I can almost smell the funeral march in the air.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:27 | 6088196 TheFourthStoog-ing
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Plain and simple Russia needs to be bombed into submission until Putin is turned out of office or killed.  This little Stalin cannot be allowed to perpetuate more atrocities like what's taken place in Ukraine.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 00:35 | 6088211 chunga
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Dumb statements like that drive home the author's point you fucking retard.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 11:15 | 6089450 ersatz007
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TheFourthStoog-ing - is just a troll bot - pay it no mind.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 02:47 | 6088449 DutchBoy2015
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YOu are a classic example of a shit for brains knuckle dragging KNOW NOTHING American retard.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 09:13 | 6088969 Winston of Oceania
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Come back here and say that pussy. Such a little bitch towel headed hump!

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 03:40 | 6088511 napper
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You mis-spelled "USA" as "Russia"

 

The little black Stalin in the White House is not going to be pleased.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 06:56 | 6088678 Wahooo
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You obviously didn't read the article. Stay after school until you finish it.

Wed, 05/13/2015 - 15:40 | 6090452 Bankster Kibble
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Is that you, Hillary?

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