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Pope Warns "Powerful People Don't Want Peace Because They Live Off War"
Over the course of the last several months, we’ve witnessed meaningful escalations in multiple conflict zones across the globe. In Syria, an ISIS incursion into the Yarmouk refugee camp transformed an already desperate humanitarian crisis into what U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called “the worst circle of hell,” as Palestinian fighters sought to repel ISIS and al-Nusra while dodging a barrage of barrel bombs launched by the Assad regime. In Yemen, the Iran-backed Houthis literally ran the US puppet government out of the country as deposed President Hadi fled to Riyadh prompting the Saudis to launch a series of airstrikes that were invariably accompanied by “collateral damage” (i.e. dead civilians). Finally, Ukraine continues to be plagued by sporadic fighting as the Minsk agreement has proven to be a “cease fire” only in name.
As the intensity and prevalence of global proxy warfare increases, expect the ‘important’ nations pulling the strings to ramp up the arms race, funneling billions into defense industry coffers in the process. Indeed, the top 100 suppliers alone pulled in nearly a half trillion dollars in 2013 and that doesn’t count China, which is now the third largest arms exporter on the planet.
Against this backdrop, the Pope has a rather depressing message for the world’s children: the world’s most powerful people don’t want peace.
Via RT:
Many powerful people don't want peace because they live off war," the Pontiff said as he met with pupils from Rome’s primary schools in the Nervi Audience Hall.
Talking to children during the audience organized by the Peace Factory Foundation, he explained that every war has the arms industry behind it.
"This is serious. Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country,” the Pope was cited by AGI news agency as saying.
The head of the Catholic Church labeled the arms trade “the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money."
“The economic system orbits around money and not men, women,” he told 7,000 kids present at the audience.
Despite the fact that wars “lose lives, health, education,” they are being waged to defend money and make even more profit, the Pope said.
“The devil enters through greed and this is why they don't want peace," 78-year-old Francis said.
For those who are curious, here are the top 20 'evil' profiteers who dabble in the death trade:
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Not a fan of Catholicism or any other religion, but I do admire this guy. Couldn't be more different from the Hitler Youth, $1000 shoe wearing, movie villain looking motherfucker. Frank is a true "man of the people"!
The whole point of christianty is that our salvation comes via creative destruction event at the end of time. I think the Catholics might have missed that part.... The tribulation... I think it might be fast approaching.
Too bad Pope Commie hasn't figured out that the flip side of the energy wars abroad is the global warming scam at home. He's all for kinder and gentler enslavement to the elites.
The guy before him was straight up Palpatine. I miss that guy, he always looked like he just finished eating a kid.
"... and all you all need to sign the TPP RIGHT NOW to control arms!" said the pope.
At least we have the it's companies on that list. USA! USA! We're number 1
Ya pager H-T. All his global warming nonsense shows his true intentions. A kinder , gentler, but poorer form of enslavement. And fuck the pope anyway. Leader of a worldwide ring of pedophiles. I do not understand why people still voluntarily give their money to such a hopelessly corrupt institution. Might as well cut a check to the treasury while your at it?
Next time this so-called pope travels to the USSA he will kiss asses of the Obama and the Co and pretent nothing has happened. I have no respect for either of the sides.
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Popemobile bullet-proof glass failure in 3....2....1....
This is nice and everything...but I mean get a friggin' clue, is he just figuring this out? Are the people who listen to him just figuring this out?
Find the Pope in the pizza...
The guy before him
That was Pope Nazi. John Paul II was the real deal.
Cardinal Ratzinger, Darth Sidious impressions aside, was a great theologian.
All Hail Darth Benedict!
nice
Why does he have a penis where his thumb should be? (Not sure I want to know the answer.)
Billy,
Please explain your claim that Pope Benedict (aka Cardinal Ratzinger) was "Pope Nazi," or otherwise endorsed and/or supported the Third Reich. Cite sources and any research you've done.
Start here,
http://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-benedict-dogged-nazi-past-achievements-jewish-relations/story?id=18469350
How the hell do I get downvoted for posting a link to a factual article?
Joe Ratz a reader of ZH or something? God damn!
and?
Whattya mean and? And what? The guy asked for proof, so I gave him proof.
I don't give two shits if the former Pope was a Nazi, shit I think it's comical in a comic book sort of way.
Maybe the downvote is because of the fact that being forcibly inducted into the Hitler Youth, like all German children his age at the time, does not automatically make one a murderous genocide-loving warmonger.
The claim that Pope Pius did nothing while the Jews were being gassed is also nonsense, because practically no one new the true plight of the Jews until after the war, and the Vatican did actually infact issue tons and tons of Vatican citizenship documents to German Jews to help get them out of the country. Look it up. Here's a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust#Pius_assist...
"Billy,
Please explain your claim that Pope Benedict (aka Cardinal Ratzinger) was "Pope Nazi,""
One would hope that even though you obviously don't find the joke to be funny that you would recognize it as being an attempt at humor. Come on now, "Pope Nazi?" It's far too cartoonish an appellation to take seriously, isn't it? Plus it makes a nice bookend with "Pope Commie" which is even funnier and closer to the truth.
As a confirmed Catholic atheist I'm permitted to make such jokes. It's in the contract.
Silky didn't think you were joking either.
I hate to say it, but all of the popes in recent history were Luciferian Oligarch controlled puppets.
I really hate the world as it is.
Luckily what you say is false, so no need to hate it.
Pope Warns "Powerful People Don't Want Peace Because They Live Off War"
and *that* is precisely why we need a global government.
one world. one people. one peace. one flag.
hugs,
CFR public relations
And a song! You gotta have a song...!
The idea of a Global Government is due, however it shouldnt just be the representation of national governements in a collective. Rather it should be a serious rethinkg about global democratic principles and needs, so as to include some non-national powers. Global citizens could elect representatives that are not seasoned politicians and can elect them through an online election from any field. We need to think of ways to get good, responsible citizens from around the globe to be our true representatives and reflect the global citizens needs and desires. The idea of nations and national power needs to be modernized into a truly global political body that allows for the new type of citizen and new types of political power and representation.
Please tell me you forgot the sarc tag!
World government is a non starter unless it is based on peace and something that makes people want to willingly support it. If people aren't willing, there aren't enough usable calories in the world to keep it and hold it. Given how governments and corporations are acting today, they're not going to pull it off for more than a short period. I seriously doubt they'll pull it off at all. We'll have WWIII with mushroom clouds first.
WWIII and then they'll say "That was so horrible, see we need a global government so that never happens again"
And the people will willingly accept a scientific dictatorship, and a one world Luciferian religion.
Once the first mushroom cloud pops, all of the infrastructure that would be necessary for one wolrd government would either be vaporized, irradiated or useless. You will either be vaporized, irradiated, or on your own. Existing governments in developed countries will not operate. Nor will international organizations. The power grid will be down, and along with it EVERYTHING that depends on electricity.
Not so. I believe the plan is a first strike decapitation of the military bases, they won't be attacking the cities. And the average yield is 500 kilotons. You could survive a nuke that size as little as 10 miles away from it. Nukes bombs are designed burn up their radiation very quickly, so most of it will be gone in a month. Not going to be a plesant time, but survivable if you prepare.
Then the Oligarchs emerge from there bunkers and force us into a world army, to stop the Russia/China Axis. (which they built by the way)
Then they win and we get a global scientific dictatorship.
You can read about it here if you're interested:
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
honestly, does it really matter - world gov't vs. national gov'ts? either way it looks like the average joe is fucked no matter what type of gov't we have...because ultimately the average joe is ruled by the people with the money & the guns - gov't is just a facade to make you think we're more civilized in the way we fuck over our fellow man. granted, dying from a bullet is probably less unpleasant than getting burned at the stake, or being disemboweled...so in that regard i guess we've made some progress. and now we have the ability to vaporize most of the population. those that don't get vaporized in the initial blasts however, look to be in for a pretty rough time of it as far as severe radiation poisoning is concerned. but at least when your skin is blistering, and you're in incredible pain, you can suffer poudly knowing that you dying as an AMERICAN or a RUSSIAN or a CANADIAN, or a whatever the fuck and not one of those NWO jerkoffs - either way - you died for some rich fuck when it all comes down to it - not some ideal. Worm food is not concerned with ideals.
Only hitting the military bases would still take the power grid down. I have a military base within 20 miles of me, and there would be enormous destruction of civil infrastructure when they hit that, plus a gigantic surge in the electrical grid that would wipe what didn't get vaporized due to the ground effect stuff going on. Kirtland AFB, with its underground munitions storage complex that has a shitload of nukes means that significant parts of Albuquerque gets hit. Holloman AFB means that Alamagordo gets hit. The various naval bases along the Eastern seaboard mean that many urban areas get hit. They don't need to target urban centers to fuck a lot of them up, and they don't need to hit them to wipe out the power grid. There are going to be a lot of free electrons near a nuclear fireball.
Agree, but not the usa.
Pink Floyd's Welcome to the machine is fitting, no?
By "Powerful People Don't Want Peace Because They Live Off War", he means: Globalist Bankster Cartel/Cabal, aiming to get their NWO by having One Ring To Rule Them All.
But even the Pope dare not speak in Cleartext, but has to resort to Code. Don't forget the sudden death (and no autopsy) that the Pope before John-Paul II, experienced.
Refer to the Criminal Psychopaths as:
The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.
Well, sadly you're in luck. Circa 1941.
Atlantic Charter gave CONgress global rule.
One World Government is past tense.
The Europeans have shown us the way!
and would virtually accept even homosexual unions when such practices are categorically condemned as being contrary to Divine and natural law.
http://www.filialappeal.org/
so he can make his work better and do not show with his finger on the others!
gay lions disagree, so you can't quote natural law.
correct, we Catholics completely missed that part of the salvation through tribulation at a specific moment in time
interestingly, most Christan denomination have missed that part, too
"you guys" might be right, nevertheless you are practically a fraction of a fraction of Christianity in every sense, and practically nearly only Americans
what if your Tribulation is an event meant to happen to the US only?
this crazy theory I just brought up might be an explanation why you are so concentrated in one tiny spot of the globe
a select few meant to have a special event only for themselves. it would explain a lot, wouldn't it?
Catholics are sick fuckers.
All 1.2 billion?
No worries, I am sure he can recant such as statement on his deathbed and proceed to heaven with the child molesters.
I've heard that too. Touch a few children, ask for forgiveness, say you're sorry, off to heaven. No big deal. Just might get transferred around to a couple different churches first.
Dont forget to take that same indignation to the child slaughtering abortuaries.
Is there any branch of Christianity that actually follows Jesus's teachings?
Yes
By "Yes" you must mean having a personal relationship with Jesus? Studying His word carefully, and applying it in your life?
I guess you could call that a branch of christianity.
Or are you actually suggesting that there is a branch, or denomination of christianity that follows all of His teachings? Because the answer to that is a resounding "No."
The Protestants simply edited out the words of Jesus which they didn't like. Jesus said that any man who marries a divorced woman has committed adultery. Any day now the prohibition against homosexuality will be edited out and some of those Protestant adulterers will be screaming bloody murder.
That's not true, Billy.
You can go to biblehub.com to compare all the popular Bibles, verse by verse.
What you'll find is they are all in harmony- they may phrase things differently, as you and I would. But the message is the same.
There have been attempts at editing out teachings, but these were all exposed, and so those versions are rejected by all but an insignificant, fringe minority of homos, feminists, etc.
Any attempt to edit out teachings has been, and will be, met with Divine retribution.
That is why and how the Bible- unlike any other book- has been preserved over millenia, with 100% integrity.
what nonsense
Not a convincing argument.
Here's why you're wrong:
There's good reason for faith in the Bible and its teachings.
The 66 books of the Bible were written:
On three continents.
In three languages.
By about 40 different people (kings, shepherds, prophets, an army general, fishermen, priests, physician, etc).
Over a period of about 1,500 years.
On the most controversial subjects.
By people who, in most cases, had never met.
By authors whose education and background varied greatly.
Yet it tells a completely cohesive story, all based on the same theme, of mankind’s fall, and the Love God showed by sending His son as a sacrifice to buy the souls of all men wishing to be redeemed.
And what is required to be redeemed?
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” – John 3:16
Only a book breathed by God could meet the above criteria, and there is no other book like it.
It is The Word of God.
Fulfilled Prophecy:
It is not only completely coherent, it prophesied ~600 years in advance every thing that Christ would accomplish, in Isaiah 53: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53
There are hundreds of other prophecies that He fulfilled, as well: http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html
Not to mention all the other prophecies that foretold in advance what would occur in what was then the future, take Daniels prophecy of Alexander the Great: https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/869-amazing-prophecy-in-the-bo...
It also accurately foretold many events hundreds or even thousands of years beforehand, the times we are living in, for example- yes- the end times, all going as foretold.
Proof that the integrity of the scriptures has been preserved:
It is a well researched and attested to fact that the Bible has been copied accurately and faithfully. On the integrity of the New Testament:
“As with all the previously published New Testament papyri (127 of them, published in the last 116 years), not a single new reading has commended itself as authentic. Instead, the papyri function to confirm what New Testament scholars have already thought was the original wording or, in some cases, to confirm an alternate reading—but one that is already found in the manuscripts” - http://www.dts.edu/read/wallace-new-testament-manscript-first-century/
And all are in agreement with one another. The standard practice is to ensure that modern translations adhere to these earliest copies of the papyri. We therefore know that they are faithful replications of what occurred in the first century.
http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
The Old Testament is just as well preserved as the New Testament.
So there is no "problem" with the integrity of the Bible.
Another reason why the Bible can be beleved- its absolute CANDOR:
It does not attempt to paint a rosy picture of most men- in fact, only a mere handful of the Kings of Israel and Judah were spoken of as "good," and even they had their foibles commited to writing. Jesus' own Apostles had huge faults- and they are all attested to in writing.
If you really wanted to learn something, you would read the links I provided, but you won't because you are close minded, even when your life is at stake you will stubbornly hold to your willfully ignorant views.
Yet it tells a completely cohesive story
Compare the accounts of Mary Magdalene's discovery of the empty tomb. The four evangelists give three different accounts. Two specify two angels, one mentions a single angel and John has no angel at all. There are other divergences as well.
Lack of consistency in these verses is critically import because this is an account of the centerpiece of Christianity, the Easter moment, the first good news of the risen Christ. The lack of corroboration of certain facts is troubling especially as to whether Mary was actually addressed by an angel or angels who told her that Jesus had risen or whether she simply wondered away from the empty tomb bewildered by what she saw.
...You are terribly incorrect about this. At least read some scholarly articles on the accounts and not just parrot some anti-theist garbage.
You are terribly incorrect about this.
No, I'm not. The number of angels is different and events happen in different orders. In some cases Mary sees the rock being rolled away but in another the rock has already been moved when she arrives. In Matthew, Mark and Luke, Mary sees an angel or angels and then tells the apostles. In John she finds an empty tomb, tells Peter who comes to investigate and only after that do angels appear to her. Read the book.
Matthew
40:028:001 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary
to see the sepulchre.
40:028:002 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of
the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the
stone from the door, and sat upon it.
40:028:003 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as
snow:
40:028:004 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead
men.
40:028:005 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye:
for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
40:028:006 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the
place where the Lord lay.
40:028:007 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from
the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there
shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
40:028:008 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and
great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
40:028:009 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met
them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the
feet, and worshipped him.
40:028:010 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren
that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
Mark
41:016:001 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the
mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that
they might come and anoint him.
41:016:002 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they
came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
41:016:003 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the
stone from the door of the sepulchre?
41:016:004 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away:
for it was very great.
41:016:005 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting
on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they
were affrighted.
41:016:006 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of
Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here:
behold the place where they laid him.
41:016:007 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth
before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said
unto you.
41:016:008 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for
they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to
any man; for they were afraid.
41:016:009 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he
appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast
seven devils.
41:016:010 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they
mourned and wept.
41:016:011 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been
seen of her, believed not.
Luke
42:024:001 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning,
they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they
had prepared, and certain others with them.
42:024:002 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
42:024:003 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
42:024:004 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout,
behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
42:024:005 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the
earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the
dead?
42:024:006 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you
when he was yet in Galilee,
42:024:007 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of
sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
42:024:008 And they remembered his words,
42:024:009 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things
unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
42:024:010 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of
James, and other women that were with them, which told these
things unto the apostles.
42:024:011 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they
believed them not.
42:024:012 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping
down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and
departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
John
43:020:001 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it
was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken
away from the sepulchre.
43:020:002 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other
disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have
taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not
where they have laid him.
43:020:003 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came
to the sepulchre.
43:020:004 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun
Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
43:020:005 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes
lying; yet went he not in.
43:020:006 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the
sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
43:020:007 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the
linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
43:020:008 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the
sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
43:020:009 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise
again from the dead.
43:020:010 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
43:020:011 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she
wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
43:020:012 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head,
and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
43:020:013 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto
them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not
where they have laid him.
43:020:014 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw
Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
43:020:015 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest
thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him,
Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast
laid him, and I will take him away.
43:020:016 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto
him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
43:020:017 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended
to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and
your God.
43:020:018 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen
the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
At least read some scholarly articles on the accounts and not just parrot some anti-theist garbage.
I discovered this discrepancy while reading the Gospels. No one told me about it. It's not hard to spot such things when one plays close attention to the material one is reading.
http://www.bethinking.org/did-jesus-rise-from-the-dead/q-dont-the-resurr...
Good article, Dixie!
Answers Billy's questions very well.
You are partially correct:
Matthew 28:2 One angel
Mark 16:5 One angel
Luke 24:4 Two angels
John 20:12 Two angels
Nothing in the accounts suggests that the number of angels present was important- what is important is that Jesus has risen. This all the accounts attest to. It is easy to understand, however- that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John commited to writing stories that are in agreement, yet have their own way of recording it. Does a writer saying there was an angel limit the number of angels to one? No. It could have been 2 (or more) that were present. Again, an inconsequential detail.
"No. It could have been 2 (or more) that were present. Again, an inconsequential detail."
There is no possible way for all four versions of the resurrection story to be true because they contradict each other not only in the number of angels but also in the actors present and the order and nature of events. Therefore it is a fact that some portions of the Bible are not true. That's simple logic.
If you think that's inconsequential, so be it.
Furthermore, credibility is based on the consistency of one's narrative. If one makes a fantastic claim such as the resurrection of a dead man but then one relates that story in a variety of contradictory forms it necessarily lessens the credibility of the claim of resurrection.
You'll have to wing it on faith alone. Isn't that the way this thing is supposed to work?
No, Billy- wrong again. The fact that the accounts differ slightly shows the truthfulness and candor of the accounts- that the 4 writers didn't collaborate, but rather- told independent accounts of things they way they remember them.
It makes no difference how many angels (2, 3 or perhaps even more), or how many women (2, 3 or perhaps even more) were there- as regards the point of the story.
If 4 people observed a monumental event- you can bet that all 4 will have slightly different details that they remember.
There are no contradictions- there are only different descriptions of the minutia surrounding the important event - the resurrection!
The "nature of events" are identical- Jesus was resurrected, that is the important takeaway.
That's the truth- and if you're honest- you'll admit it.
"There are no contradictions"
There are many contradictions. In Matthew and Mark the women see the stone being moved. In Luke the stone has already been moved. That is a contradiction. Either the stone was already out of place or it wasn't. Either the women saw it move or they didn't.
In Matthew, Mark and Luke the angel or angels tell Mary that Jesus has risen and then she returns to the apostles. In John she finds an empty tomb, returns to the apostles and then sees angels. That is a contradiction. There are other contradictions as well.
It makes no difference how many angels (2, 3 or perhaps even more), or how many women (2, 3 or perhaps even more) were there- as regards the point of the story.
How do you differentiate between which parts of the Bible are inconsequential and which ones are not? Not an easy task as any mistake may risk your immortal soul. Do you really want to put yourself in the position of de-facto editor to the word of God?
If 4 people observed a monumental event- you can bet that all 4 will have slightly different details that they remember.
Contrary descriptions of events do not make a cohesive whole. Quite the opposite. Consider the JFK assassination. Lots of discrepancies in accounts and perhaps even greater discrepancies in the analyses of those accounts. There is no way to take all the accounts and claim that they work together to prove a single conclusion. Those varying accounts necessarily lead to widely divergent conclusions.
You're still hung up on the minutiae, that is much of your problem.
"How do you differentiate between which parts of the Bible are inconsequential and which one's are not? " Or- How do you undertake a study of the Bible, to discover what is important in terms of priority?
That's a very good question. First- the top priority is the message of Salvation. If you are saved, and you focus on what is necessary to be saved, to be born again as a spiritual child- that is the core of all Christian beliefs. But as you become a Spiritual adult, you should grow beyond the basics. What do you need to do to be saved?
The Bible teaches that you need to know and to believe 4 things to settle your eternity:
1- You have sinned against God.- "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.: -Romans 3:23
2- God tells us where sin leads- "For the wages of sin is death." -Romans 6:23
3- The wonderful news of the Bible is that Jesus died on the Cross, was buried, and rose again to pay the penalty for your sin- "But God showed His love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." -Romans 5:8
Now, here is what God wants you to do- "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." - Romans 10:13
God wants you to have faith in His word and accept Christ as your personal savior.
If you wish to be saved, you can say this prayer (with conviction):
"Dear Lord, I know that I am a sinner, I know that Jesus died for me. Please forgive me of my sin, come into my heart and save me. In Jesus name, amen."
If you prayed- and you meant it- then you are born again- a spiritual child.
That is the first, and most important step. Yet there is much more to learn, and practice, as you mature Spiritually. Christianity is a journey- attempting our best to walk in Christ's footsteps- and He will be there to help you.
Here's the way, the only way to discern Biblical truth (assuming you've already put faith in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior): 1- Pray for Holy Spirit to fill you, to understand what you read, to inspire you.2- Open your Bible, read it, study it carefully, take notes, ask questions- write them down.
3- Use available searchable Bibles and tools- Biblegateway.com, Biblehub.com, etc.
4- At times you must consult an Interlinear version of the Bible to comprehend the original meaning of a word that has been translated from Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic. These are available for free at the above websites.
5- Compare your understanding and interpretations with others (like me) who are doing the same thing. I am confident in telling you that you will come to the same conclusions- that the Holy Spirit will provide the same answers, the same interpretations, as your Christian brothers worldwide are getting. This is what it means to be taught by Christ- that by faith we know and trust that He will open our eyes to understand what is written in the Bible. We are the worldwide Church that the Bible teaches. That's about as condensed an answer as I can give you.
compare all the popular Bibles, verse by verse.
What you'll find is they are all in harmony- they may phrase things differently, as you and I would. But the message is the same.
The New Testament does appear to be more or less in tact. Thanks for the heads up. Although it does make me wonder how Protestants justify the remarriage of divorced persons seeing as how that constitutes a sin according to Jesus. It's not a one-off sin, either. It is an ongoing, unrepentant violation of Jesus' words and the Ten Commandments.
And you appear to be down some Maccabees.
To understand the answer to your question regarding remarriage, one need only understand the context of what Jesus said. He said that even to look at a woman with lust is to commit adultery, that one should tear their eye out rather than jeopardize our salvation- figuratively! (Matthew 5:27-30)
Jesus first made clear that Moses allowed the people to obtain certificates of divorce in order to remarry. But Jesus took it to a higher level, indicating that there was only one grounds for divorce and remarriage- marital unfaithfulness.
Remarriage in the case of adultery is no sin.
Divorce and remarriage in any other case is sin- but as long as those two remain remarried and do not divorce it is no longer adultery, by definition.
So it is not "an ongoing, unrepentant violation of Jesus' words."
In any case- and this is very important- sin is a permanent state of humankind.
Both Christians and non-christians sin, that is part of being imperfect.
But those who put their faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice have their sins forgiven, by virtue of His blood, which covers all their sins.
That does not mean that a Christian is free to sin- it is an acknowlegement that even though we are Christian, we are still imperfect- and will sin occasionally, no matter how hard we try not to sin.
Divorce and remarriage in any other case is sin- but as long as those two remain remarried and do not divorce it is no longer adultery, by definition.
So it is not "an ongoing, unrepentant violation of Jesus' words."
Not at all. Jesus confirms that remarriage after divorce is adultery. He doesn't say that this sin is mitigated by the longevity of the marriage. In fact, Jesus says that if you can't accept the fact that a man and a woman are joined forever through matrimony then it's better to live a celibate life from the beginning, participating in neither marriage nor remarriage. No dispensation is given to those who simply chose to commit adultery by remarrying after divorce.
Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
It looks like you're missing the point.
I'll be as succinct as possible:
1- Divorce is not sinful IF one or both marriage partners have commited Adultery.
2- Divorce is sinful in any other circumstances.
Now- referring to the second case only:
Once remarriage occurs, and for the first time, the two marriage partners have sexual intercourse- they commit adultery against the previous mate. In so doing, they have now both become adulterers- and the divorce is now not sinful (see 1, above).
From then on- the remarried partners are not adulterers!
Their marriage is no longer sinful because now, after the first intercourse- they have met the Scriptural demands for divorce.
Their marriage is no longer sinful because now, after the first intercourse- they have met the Scriptural demands for divorce.
You failed to cite the specific verses supporting that assertion. Do any such verses exist? Can you post them? Anything less is merely equivocation.
Just look at how convoluted your reasoning is: If one commits adultery by marrying a divorced person then that very act of adultery makes the divorce lawful and therefore the sin of adultery simply disappears in a puff of smoke.
If Jesus had intend to say that two wrongs make a right don't you think he would have said so straight out rather than to suggest, as he did, that those confused on this point should avoid sexual relations entirely?
Billy, I really think your heart is in the right place. Slow down and look at the text you posted:
"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."- Matthew 19:9
http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-9.htm
except sexual immorality = except adultery.
Now go back and think about what I wrote.
Re-read it if it's not clear.
I'll try an example:
1- I'm married. My wife cheats on me. I divorce her. No sin in divorce in that case- the exception clause has been met.
2- I'm married. Neither of us cheat on each other. I divorce her. I sin in divorce in that case- the exception clause has not been met.
You agree that Matthew 19:9 is clear on the above two cases, correct?
Now, let me give two examples (each based on (2) above- perhaps this will help you understand:
A- After divorcing my wife, I have sex with another woman. I have commited adultery - the exception clause has been met. I can now marry her without commiting adultery.
B- After divorcing my wife, I marry another woman. Then I have sex with her. I have commited adultery - the exception clause has been met. I can now have sex with my new wife without commiting adultery.
You must always pay careful attention to what you read- it's like detective work.
That does not give an excuse to be a "serial marrier"- marriage should not be entered into lightly- it is meant to last forever.
Jesus clearly says that if a wife betrays her husband then the husband can divorce her and be free to remarry because he was not the one who broke the bonds of matrimony. That's what a close reading of the verses reveals.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
That's as clear as clear can be. Jesus specifies exactly one scenario in which remarriage after divorce is acceptable and your examples A and B are not included. Read the words again. At no point does Jesus say that one can divorce a faithful wife, marry another in an act of adultery and therefore not be guilty of adultery.
Your theory that committing an act of adultery absolves one of the sin of adultery is as suspect as your contention that the Bible, which is the word of God, is filled with irrelevant details which should simply be ignored because they don't conform to your idea of what the correct message is.
Billy, I'm trying to be brief- I could post books that I have written here- but that wouldn't be appropriate. You are not carefully reading what I have written, or what is written in the Bible. I did not state what you are stating- you are creating a strawman.
Acts 17:11- Now the Bereans were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
That is what we must do- examine the Scriptures in great detail. I am saying that every scripture is important- but of these: (1) Salvation, (2) Prophesy, (3)Chronology, (4)Geneology, (5) Law, (6) History, (7) Poetry, etc, etc etc. These are all important- but not AS IMPORTANT as salvation.
Only (1) will save you!
(2) through infinity will not!
PRIORITY is key.
What good will it do you to study the latter- but not #1!
ZH is not a really great place to get into the minutae- but I am prepared to go there. But FIRST I want to make sure you are saved.
If you really want to get into a deep discussion on the Bible- I will post an email address here for you to contact me: cunninghamia2000@yahoo.com
I am sure ZH would appreciate us continuing this on another, appropriate medium.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
"Is there any branch of Christianity that actually follows Jesus's teachings?"
What is a "branch" but a collection of "individuals".
fact is, actually following Jesus's teachings is a BITCH for the human race to pull off.....you should try it some time.
and there is NO person on this planet that could ever follow the teachings perfectly. because that's the point after all. we're imperfect. it's about aspiring to a higher ideal. not being perfect. and if you don't realize that, then you don't understand the keystone of christianity. if you're talking about an organize religious sect of christianity, then the answer would also be no. but the reasons there are something different altogether. like they say, religion is for people trying to avoid hell. spirituality is for people that have already been there. you carry heaven and hell with you...or the road to heaven is heaven and the road to hell is hell. it's your choice. have at it. basically - whatever lets you sleep at night.
"we're imperfect. it's about aspiring to a higher ideal. not being perfect. "
Focusing on one's imperfections is no way to reach a higher ideal nor is the recognition that one is imperfect a higher ideal in and of itself. One reaches a better station by acknowledging one's imperfections and guarding against them. Then one must engage one's talents, strengths and desires with great vigor.
"Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house."
All denominations follow some of His teachings.
No denomination follows all of His teachings.
Hence the need to study the Bible carefully to learn what He actually taught, versus what denominations of christianity teach.
He did tear down the temple, cos they turned the message into a ponzi scheme. It's all temples now.
He prophesied that the Temple would be torn down- which it was, in 70AD.
But the meaning of His words that the Temple would be rebuilt in 3 days referred to HIM and HIS RESURRECTION:
The 3rd Temple referred to in the Bible is Spiritual- it is represented by Jesus Christ:
"Finally two came forward and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”- Matthew 26:61
Here Jesus was referring to Himself as the 3rd Temple, as after His death, He would be resurrected in 3 days- and the physical temple would be destroyed in 70AD, never to be rebuilt.
"Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, “You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!” In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him." - Matthew 27:39-41
"Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, “So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, come down from the cross and save yourself!” - Mark 15:29-30
Here, Jesus clearly stated that He- THE TEMPLE- would be resurrected in 3 days- even as He hung on the cross!
“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.’” - Mark 14:58
Here, Jesus clearly He told them- the 3rd Temple would be built- but not by human hands!
"The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day." - Matthew 27:62-64
Here, Jesus clearly said He would rise again after 3 days- He is the rebuilt (the 3rd) Temple!
"The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken." - John 2:18-22
Here Jesus clearly said He is the 3rd Temple- that He would rise again after 3 days- He is the rebuilt (the 3rd) Temple!
"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split" - Matthew 27:51
When Jesus Christ died- the veil, or curtain, between the "Holy" and the "Holy of Holies" was ripped open- signifying that He has replaced the Temple- He is the 3rd Temple. There is no need for a physical Temple anymore. The Temple provided a way for mankind to, through a priesthood in a Temple, come to God. But, through Jesus' sacrifice, there is no longer any need for physical sacrifices, no need for a physical Temple, because He replaced them with Himself. He is the way, the truth, and the light- the ONLY WAY to GOD.
BOTH prophecies were fulfilled.
As opposed to the religion who labels the rest of us as Goyim
You are as ignorant as you are obsessed.
Or else you're employed by the Sunstein crew.
You can't be a savage and defend the church, you know. They have to take your spirit first, then you can defend it like a good little zombie.
there are those who realize they follow a philosophy and those who don't. Even if you say you follow none, that itself is a philosophy. So you are defending a philosophy like a zombie, but whose? Your own? Nope :)
I don't think we missed the tribulation period at all. It's in the prophesy, plainly in Revelation. Even Jesus knew not to pick the time nor the day saying only God knows. We should not worry about it. Whatever forces push the world to that point will do so at the appointed time. And it seems pretty clear to me that ALL the world will be involved.
Of course "powerful people" want Peace. Pax.
Peace is a weasel word. It does not mean absence of violence. It means "freedom from civil disorder."
Pax Romana. Pax Americana.
Fuck Peace.
Ghengis Khan was a huge fan of peace. He would Pax the entire population of conquered cities under the hooves of his horses.
Francis recently said: "No Justice means No Peace"
Sssshh. Minds are made up, dont confuse them with facts.
Easy to point out the greed of others when sitting on the largest pile of wealth in the world.
The message is true, but the messenger is the pot... or maybe the kettle.
Give the guy a break, he has to wear a dress all day.
Poor fella, now that he's Pope he can't even go out and find a nice piece of pizza anymore. Meanwhile, some of us are still trying to find the Popes in the pizza.
up one for the father Guido Sarduce reference. Shows our age eh?
The church is one of the largest charity organization in the world...helping millions. What have you and your friends done...speaking of pot and kettle?
Helping them how? Almost every catholic dominated country (except vatican city) is an impoverished shithole. Ireland, Spain, Mexico...
What about waspy shithole USA? England??
Ireland Mexico and Spain are actually all lovely places. People quite friendly. Contrast to the denizens at Burger King and Walmart. Not so frickin fat either.
It has nothing to do with the people, I'm sure the people are great. It's the ruthless taxation by the religious structure. The pope, and his minions have huge financial holdings, while the people are mired in poverty.
people like me, the Pope added jokingly.
The Vatican, one of the many petty city-states that kept Italy from discovering the new world. Through the power of the church's armies they enslaved and killed countless native peoples.
"Through the power of the church's armies they enslaved and killed countless native peoples."
Umm... name one.
you wreck the sloganeering when you say that. My fave is about Pius 12 being a Nazi stooge. Fucking idiots.
Maybe actually read something about the guy before submitting stupid shit.
fake
the man is a child wrangling butcher.
no disrespect
why not look at the portfolio investment of catholic and church of england for starts
full to the brim with corporations of death
Don't be deceived. He was involved in Argentina's dirty war. Malachi Martin quit the Jesuits because of the pedo cult of death infiltration of the Vatican. He's all in line with Agenda 21, the centralization of all religions promoting AlGorythms worship of Gaia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQiYwBqZR6Y#t=2156
Before you discount it for the religious aspect, follow thru the science of it to Kurtzweil, genetic manipulation & the Vatican's Mt. Graham observatory named Lucifer. Then search the Apache re: Mt. Graham. Even slick Willie has had his sticky fingers in it.
One of the stake holders in the MGIO is a group of European institutes who built an infrared camera and spectroscope, and named it "Lucifer". So what happened? First, somebody reported that an instrument called "Lucifer" was installed on Mt Graham. Then somebody remarked that Mt Graham also hosts the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, and that it is somewhat amusing that Mt Graham has both Vatican and Lucifer. Then the information somehow degraded and the slur was born: Vatican astronomers are supposedly friends with Lucifer...
http://vaticanobservatory.org/vo-news/news-archive/98-news-archive/vatic...
you mean Ratzinger? He did not attend the required youth meetings and faced financial penalty for that...as for being envious of his shoes, he gave them up so maybe you can try to get them for yourself. He spent his life writing around 70 books for "the people" and had no interest in keeping any of the cash. So he was as much of a true "man of the people" as Frank, just less extroverted. Sorry to let the facts get in the way.
First Pope to be shitcanned in a thousand years. Vatican pedo henchman for 2 decades. Real winner....
No he retired at 85 from running a 1.3 billion member organization, cut him some slack. One of the oldest Popes at death/retirement. He was in charge of the Doctrine of Faith which meant his job to preserve the 2000 year old teachings. Accusations about him are nonsense, the media is even less accurate on religion than it is in finance.
Your nick suits you.
Your bag over your head suits you. Probably less creepy.
People sell guns to make money?
Does the Pope protect pedophiles?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92T6cVlXcyg
Take a listen to this if you have the time. Most likely, the answer to you question is yes. Along with every other top level governmental / business / media official the whole world over. Fucking disgusting world we live in.
Exactly. Go inquire into your public school or foster care system.
"Many powerful people don't want peace because they live off war"
No shit.
No shit, padre
Neanderthal's traded outdated weapons for food.
It's been going on for a little while now...
Hard to tell who is more of a fake, the pope or O, because the shit that comes out of both their mouths is simply impossible for any rational thinker to comprehend.
He was adddressing a group of children, children.
If you read about their actual lives its not so hard to tell, but spewing ideological pap is undoubtably more fun.
nailguns are near the corner
Yes, Lucerferians located at the Vatican. This coming from a Jusuit POS.
Mt 12:26
No major media will carry the Pope's mesage in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Here are Google search results:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pope+Warns+%22Powerful+People+Don%27t+Wa...
All major Western media are notable only by their absence
Truth is treason in a fascist, police state
Right. I am surprised the Pope's statment is not favoured by ZHers. The statement is irrefutable and now the msm supress it- I rest my case.
....... Brigadier General Smedley Butler - his book WAR IS A RACKET -as well as his biography - can shed light where it is sorely needed.
Shh. Quoting a General you will be called a war monger.
mr pope
how long
have you
been controlled
by the rabbi
why cante you give the children
a break
why cante you find sumtin else to eat
papa it is time to purge saturn satan
and his talmudick vampyre hosts
Wow, next the Pope will discover that a bear shits in the woods... As if the Church isn't in bed with the power-brokers in one way or another...
The Pope is just regurgitating left-wing mumbo jumbo. That talk is pretty standard here in Latin America. The guy is the perfect idiot, does not contribute to anything good or relevant and aspires to be some kind of catholic Dalai Lama.
But is it standard for the world's most visible religious leader?
If he would be a real pope that actually cares for his faith he should dispatch some soldiers to help evacuate endangered christian communities. Then he would appreciate what weapons can do.
What troops would those be? The funny looking gaggle of Swiss Guards?
Tell your bullshit President to go save them.
7,000 kids you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7giMJ4khEc
So President Obama really is the "Defense Industry Jobs President"? That's something he can crow about at his next press indoctrination conference (while he licks his bloody hands).
He can call Bush a pussy on national defense and promise more if his chosen H Clinton gets elected...
what a lucifarian peice of crap...shifting the blame from the rothchild zionist neocons to the companies they pay to make the weapons..
A frerquent comment mentioned on ZH is "no demand, no supply"...this POS speaks of those who supply, not demand...
Typical luciferian tactic...
""we are all Luciferians now''?
TREASONOUS BASTARDS these 100 WMD FIRMS.
TREASONOUS BASTARDS THESE BANKERS AND CORPORATIONS.
NO RULE OF LAW AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.
ANOTHER WHISTLEBLOWER GOES TO JAIL JEFFREY STERLING WHEN OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.
FUCKING BLOWHARD DISINGENUOUS SHEEP. A FUCKING MILLION PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE THAT COURTHOUSE IN VIRGINIA.
FUCK EVERYONE, ME TOO.
There are a bunch of Italian kids who are going to understand things that many American kids don't...
I wonder if he drops the mic on the floor after making absolute statements
He lets go of it, but it levitates.
At least he dropped the MIC on the floor.
And the Pope lives off of people sinning here and now. If they didn't, nobody would need him.
but since they do...?
His eminence forgot the grand enabler of all that war profit: the central bankster. Without the money-jobbing luciferian Fed and its ilk doling out debt-money to the military industrial complex (first via the private banks, then via the Treasury . . ), none of that spending would even be possible.
His message is simpleton, not simple . . . but the audience was undoubtedly enraptured just the same.
And some powerful people hide child molesters and lie about it.
Makes the world go round.
Filthy fucking Catholics.
All 1.2 billion of them?
Guess now that you cant say ''nigger'' anymore...
Of all the ZHr's trashing black people, I was never ever one of them.
However, its open season on all you kooky religious types that will defer to a voice in the sky to avoid any sense of personal responsibility. The shit you people profess is lunacy. If you need a baseless fable to tell you whats right and wrong, you are inhuman.
You need to read Augustine, Aquinas, and even C.S. Lewis. These guys were way smarter than you; and concluded there absolutely was a rational argument for Christian belief.
Your overuse of inflammatory pejoratives (kooky, shit you people profess, lunacy, baseless fable, inhuman) in such a short post speaks more about you than it does about the people you think you're criticizing.
No, you need to clean house of some morally compromised people before your product is sellable.
I don't want to be in any way associated with the crimes of the church.
Which crimes and what church? Do you even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about? Or are you just repeating what the Catholic-hating MSM tells you to repeat?
Holy fuck, have you no idea what the Catholic church did to the First Nations communities of British Columbia?????....why would the catholic church pay settlements on something you deny happening.
http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/intro2.html