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Seymour Hersh Slams Establishment Media: "I Am Not Backing Off Anything I Said"
Authored by Isaac Chotiner, originally posted at Slate.com,
In a blockbuster 10,000-word story for the London Review of Books this week, longtime New Yorker investigative journalist Seymour Hersh called into question the official account of the American raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, and argued that what is arguably seen as the apex of Barack Obama’s presidency is actually built on a lie.
Hersh’s piece claims that Bin Laden was being held prisoner by the Pakistani military and intelligence service (the ISI), who were using him as a means to control Taliban and al-Qaida elements, and hoping to use him as leverage in their relationship with the United States. According to Hersh, who relied largely on an anonymous intelligence source, the Obama administration found out that Pakistan had Bin Laden, and eventually convinced Pakistani military leaders to allow a raid on the compound where Bin Laden was being held. The plan, Hersh writes, was to say publicly that Bin Laden was killed not in the raid but in a drone strike. The White House, however, supposedly broke this deal because of the political value of making the details of the raid public.
Hersh’s story has been much debated over the past several days, with many calling it into question and (a comparable few) others applauding its willingness to undercut the official narrative. NBC News and the AFP have both backed up small elements of Hersh’s story, although both outlets have also called other elements of his piece into question (and NBC later backed away from its original reporting). And no news source has supported Hersh’s largest claim—that the president lied about the raid.
I spoke to Hersh by phone this week. Here is a transcript of our conversation, which has been slightly condensed and edited for clarity.
Isaac Chotiner: If the plan until the night of the raid was to use the cover story that he had not been killed in a raid but in a drone strike, then why have the raid at all? Why not just have the Pakistanis kill him? Why risk Obama’s presidency?
Seymour Hersh: Of course there is no answer there because I haven’t talked to any of the principals. But I can just give you what the people who were in the process believed to be so, which is that for [Gens.] Pasha and Kayani, the chance of something like that getting leaked out would be devastating. America was then running at about 8 percent popularity in Pakistan, and Bin Laden was running at 60, 70 percent. He was very popular. [Editor’s note: This 2010 opinion poll says that Bin Laden’s popularity was at 18 percent in Pakistan.] You couldn’t just take a chance, because if someone ratted you out—I can only give you a basic theory.
Chotiner: It just seems like a huge raid with Pakistani complicity brings up just as many problems for the Pakistanis.
Hersh: If you believe, as a smart guy said to me, if anybody, if anyone didn’t think the president was going to fuck [the Pakistani military] they are out of their mind. He was always going to fuck them.
Chotiner: OK. In your piece you call into question that the Americans got valuable documents in the raid. But Ayman al-Zawahiri, the current head of al-Qaida, himself seemed to confirm that this was true. How do you handle that contradiction?
Hersh: I handle it pretty easy. [Laughs] The issue for me is the treasure trove issue. Did the SEALS take out piles of computers? There were claims they found computers and disks and sticks, what do they call those sticks?
Chotiner: I don’t know.
Hersh: You’re not as old as I am. You should know that. Anyway, the SEALs mission was to go kill the guy. They did pick up some papers, but most of the papers were delivered by the ISI. He was a prisoner under their control. He wasn’t beaten and could walk around but it was a prison. He couldn’t get out. They kept encouraging him to write stuff. And he did. But I am bothered by the contradictions. [The] president said it was a treasure trove so there had to be a treasure trove. Is it real? I don’t know. It was used in a trial. Is it real? Is it not? I don’t know.
Chotiner: You seem slightly annoyed that Obama double-crossed the Pakistanis.
Hersh: Double-crossed is your word.
Chotiner: OK fine. I want to understand why you seem bothered by that, aside from the lying. Turning our back on the worst elements in Pakistan who we have long nurtured doesn’t seem so bad. We have supported them forever.
Hersh: Why do we do that?
Chotiner: Because we see it as being in our own interest.
Hersh: Well no, we do it for nukes.
Chotiner: Fine, we see that as being in our interest.
Hersh: In my experience in the last 30 years, one of the major worries was about the “Islamic bomb,” about Pakistan. If you knew the lengths to which we go, working with the ISI, to make sure some ultranationalist or ultrajihadist doesn’t get [control of nukes].
Chotiner: Yes, although you could argue that if we hadn’t nurtured these elements for so long, the country would be less of a threat.
Hersh: You could argue anything.
Chotiner: I want to—
Hersh: Swing away fella.
Chotiner: You sent me—
Hersh: You probably don’t know that NBC reported, and now they have reported it on one of these dopey afternoon shows with that woman, what’s her name, the NBC woman who claims to have some knowledge of foreign policy, married to Alan Greenspan.
Chotiner: Andrea Mitchell.
Hersh: She’s comical. On her show the administration is acknowledging walk-ins but saying the walk-ins aren’t necessarily linked to Bin Laden.
Chotiner: The AFP piece, which you sent me approvingly, says the same thing, that there is no evidence the walk-in led to Bin Laden, and that the walk-in did not even know the target was Bin Laden.
Hersh: Uh huh, OK.
Chotiner: OK but here is my question about journalism, since you have been doing this longer than I have—
Hersh: Oh poor you, you don’t know anything. It is amazing you can speak the God’s English.
Chotiner: Are you hoping with this piece to say that you made no mistakes, or that OK there were mistakes because I am getting the ball rolling? You have quoted two pieces very approvingly, from NBC and AFP, that differ from key points in your own story. I want to know how accurate you think your story now is.
Hersh: [Laughs loudly] Well I will tell you one thing: At one point a copy editor in England confronted me about the SEALs training in Nevada and changed it to Utah, and the line made it because according to her they were sort of the same.
Chotiner: The AFP piece contradicts your piece but you aren’t running around worried about that.
Hersh: I sent it approvingly because it crossed my desk and it does say there were walk-ins. [Laughs] You can read it any way you want. The White House has been very clever about this. They have gone after me personally. They don’t like me boo hoo hoo. But they have been very careful to hedge everything, they quote Peter Bergen. Bergen or Berger, is that his name?
Chotiner: Bergen.
Hersh: They quote him. He views himself as the trustee of all things Bin Laden.
Chotiner: I just want to talk to you about your piece and journalism.
Hersh: What difference does it make what the fuck I think about journalism? I don’t think much of the journalism that I see. If you think I write stories where it is all right to just be good enough, are you kidding? You think I have a cavalier attitude on throwing stuff out? Are you kidding? I am not cavalier about what I do for a living.
Chotiner: I don’t think you are cavalier. That was not my question.
Hersh: Whatever it is, it’s an impossible question. It’s almost like you are asking me to say that there are flaws in everybody. Yes. Do I acknowledge that not everybody can be perfect? But I am not backing off anything I said.
Chotiner: Well let’s talk about sources. A lot of the reporting that got us into the last stupid war was based on bad and often anonymous sources. Is there a problem with journalists having a limited number of sources, just generally speaking? Is this a problem? With unnamed sources—
Hersh: Are you kidding me? Unnamed sources? You are smarter than that. This is too boring.
Chotiner: Let me finish my question and then you can yell at me.
Hersh: I am done yelling.
Chotiner: Is there some sort of journalistic standard that reporters should try to meet to prevent more errors?
Hersh: Let me say something to you. There was a practice at the New Yorker that continued at the London Review of Books. The reason I like the LRB is that it isn’t tied down to Americana. It is more open to being ... In Europe people think this story makes sense. There is not the quibbling. It is a different approach. By that I mean that the view of America is less cheery abroad but the standards are the same. The people at the London Review knew whom I talked to. It is the same at the New Yorker. David Remnick knows who I talk to. I do have sources, which is a problem for a lot of people that don’t.
Chotiner: OK well it seems like the upshot of what you are saying, and correct me if this is wrong—
Hersh: I just said what I said. I don’t want to hear what the upshot is. If you have another question then ask it. This is going on too long. I am too old and too cranky and too tired. I have been doing this fucking thing for a day. I told you, I warned you, that I am really irritable.
Chotiner: OK so if both places check your sources, and the New Yorker—
Hersh: Now you are restating it. In Europe it is an easier path. The notion that somehow America—I have one slight layer less. Believe me. I don’t know if you know who Mary-Kay Wilmers is. You probably don’t.
Chotiner: She is the editor of the LRB.
Hersh: Do you know how smart she is?
Chotiner: I have heard stories.
Hersh: She is fantastic. She is as good as they say. They go gaga over her. She was married to Stephen Frears. She is tenacious. But believe me this piece took a long time to get into print. A lot of questions. A lot of nasty questions.
Chotiner: OK—
Hersh: Don’t turn this into some sort of profound anti-American statement.
Chotiner: It seems like you are hinting the New Yorker rejected it for reasons having to do with politics.
Hersh: Would you care to hear the truth? Would you care to hear something that didn’t come from Vox, whoever Vox is? I am not sure you are that interested in it. I am doing a book. Within four or five days I hear that there are problems with the [official] OBL story. A lot of problems. And I have good friends in Pakistan. Really good friends. I go there a lot. Hold on, I just walked out of a two-room suite and the fucking movie crew. The fucking movie crew just leaves the desk. God dammit. [A film crew had been in Hersh’s office.] Anyway. First of all, you may get some suggestion of this. Maybe I am not an easy guy.
Chotiner: I wouldn’t dream of suggesting that.
Hersh: There was a point with the New Yorker where I thought they should rename the fucking magazine the Seymour Hersh Weekly. David Remnick has his own theories and opinions. He is not cowed by me. We have a lot of fights. We have a lot of disagreements. I don’t find that so shocking. I like him a lot, he is brilliant, he is great. I think he is even a better writer than editor. I have always been a freelancer. I always work for myself.
Chotiner: I get that.
Hersh: So, all that happens is I tell him about the story, and his initial approach was to say do a blog item. Go fuck yourself! A blog? I have done a couple blogs when it is 1,000 words but this is worth more. At that point it was very early. So I was on contract for a book and said fuck it … You want to make a lot out of it? David always says he welcomes another view. I am the guy who said fuck it, I will do what I want to do. [Editor’s note: Other news sources have reported that the New Yorker declined to publish a version of the story.]
[Hersh picks up other phone]: Yeah. Yeah. Oh no, fuck no … I don’t want to do it there! Go fuck—
Hersh: You there?
Chotiner: Yes.
Hersh: Fucking TV interview sets up in the hall of my office building. It’s a lawyer’s building.
Chotiner: I was just asking—
Hersh: You want to write about this totally tedious shit? Yes, I am a huge pain in the ass. I am the one that decided to publish it wherever the hell I please. That’s the story. You want to listen to hall gossip about me? Go ahead. [Sarcastic voice] It is so immensely important to so many people to know where I published. I can’t believe it.
Chotiner: Can I tell you why?
Hersh: I don’t want to hear why. You think there is a different standard in London?
Chotiner: I wish you would listen.
Hersh: All right, maybe I will listen, but I gotta hang up.
Chotiner: If people here are turning down stories because of certain politics—you yourself said it was easier in Europe—that is a story that should be written.
Hersh: Now you said the first intelligent thing you have said. If you had asked whether he didn’t run this because he is in love with Obama and all that stuff that people think, no … It is a very good question. Although we have huge disagreements. My children and I have huge disagreements. I have a huge disagreement with my dog. We have a lot of disagreements and there are times when he will call me and I will not answer the call. Oh fuck hold on. He always has said to me he welcomes any information and it was I who said fuck it.
Chotiner: OK but you have talked about the New Yorker’s Americana and said my question was a good one, so is there something to it?
Hersh: I think it is a great question.
Chotiner: So what do you think of it?
Hersh: I just told you what I think. In the case of the Bin Laden story, he is open for anything. It was I who made the decision.
Chotiner: I feel like you are telling me two different things. One is that you get less pressure in Europe, and the other is that this story would have been fine at the New Yorker.
Hersh: So fine, I am glad you are confused. Write whichever one makes you happy.
Chotiner: OK.
Hersh: I don’t mean to yell at you but I feel good doing it. Goodbye.
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CIAmour Hersh
"No one has written more about the CIA -- and said less -- than Seymour Hersh." -- Doug Valentine
I'll have to check him out.
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We "killed" their "leader", hooray! They are stronger than ever and we didn't accomplish anything in that country other than the exponential increase in poppy exports. Watch old westerns, always a bad guy to go after.
Who says he was their 'leader""? your govt 90 percent of what Americans are fed is bullshit.
Observe the quotations.
" The hills all abound with the sound of Hebrews" said by Jerry Lewis on national T.V. when he and Dean Martin hosted the Acadamy Awards in which the" Sound of Music " won the best picture.
We sure got a good load of them today. 13 weeks on ZH. Milestones
“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002
say what hershey
dat old man rabbi got it all twisted.
Israel did 9/11 - All the Proof in the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM
9/11-Israeli Job? Means,Motive,Opportunity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tUV0cnyv8
The best presentation on 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_Ezjm7xDg
How can you not like the guy .. he has covered the atrocities of both 'sides' ... good on him... whether bin Laden died in 01 or whenever .. more to the point . he has called out he MSM For what it is .. lying obfuscating sack of shit .... his statement re Andrea Mitchell is priceless.. that says it all.. because he does not cover all the bases that people want covered does not mean he has not done an amazing thing . revealed the emperor has NO CLOTHES. SO SY . .Do not go gentle into that good night . rage rage against the dying of the light... keep on raging Sy Hersh . and do it more often .. please.
"..his statement re Andrea Mitchell is priceless."
Fucking A!
I was in one course in college with Mitchell (Sociology 101) and she comes across in person even effing stupider than on the boob tube!
BTW, it was her third time through that course --- don't know whether or not she finally passed it?!
If he isn't killed, or doesn't flee to Russia, it's a fraud.
Negative, it is still toooo absract for the typical Ameritard.
Most Americans will respond:
"So what?"
Because the dominant narrative on 9/11 has been completely blown out of the water!
What Seymour states explains that it was a fundamental execution of OBL to silence him.
Just as with the release of the Senate's summary of the still classified CIA torture report, we found out that the CIA's torture queen, Alfreda Bikowsky Silverstein, did knowingly order the torture of innocent men to extract false confessions.
False confessions and an execution to silence OBL.
Now what does that tell you, cowboy?
"My unnamed source says your unnamed source is a liar."
Was Obama lying? Of course! His lips were moving.
Did Hersh make up an interesting story to sell? Of course! He's a "journalist".
My unnamed source says that Hersh's unnamed source was a Ouija board.
Try thinking more than one step ahead, and dump your unnamed source, becasue he named his, and that information is critical to to getting beyond two steps ahead.
Sorry, Urban. Brian Williams doesn't count.
Whatcha talkin bout Willis?
I know Brian Williams is a willing tool and sucker of very un-kosher Camp Perry cock, but I didn't realize he was into Paki guys too. How exactly does Brian fit into this story again?
Always distrust Andrea Mitchell, she knows where her bread is buttered...
Her real Bread came from the guy at The Fed.
Sounds like he was near the end of a very long day.
So how hard does Obozo and his cronies go after this "retired senior intel official" who was Hersh's main U.S. source?
Given the track record it would seem these clowns will go pretty damn far in smoking this guy out and sending him to jail!!
Of course, with the Snowden leaks, and publicity about the SIM cards and Equation Group, etc., they would have had to adopt the most stringent anti-electronic/Web security precautions to avoid surveillance.
We shall see . . . .
Holy sh-t that guy f-cking swears a lot. He's also the kind of guy I would love to stick my foot up -ss. Aside from that, I could care less if he is right, just that it is kind of fun to watch this side show.
It's not a sideshow, imo. It's an intentional takedown, to prevent Hillary and the Iranian deal. He helped to cover up the assassination of Rep. Larry McDonald in 1983 (KAL 007, no I'm not making that number up!). I subscribed to Life mag. when it happened. Didn't buy their story then. Took me decades, and the internet, to figure it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/books/seymour.hersh.shootdown.flight.kal...
Wind in the echo chamber.
I doubt Bin Laden was ever in Abottabad.
I doubt he saw the summer 2003 sky.
There's no evidence he was still breathing from early 2002.
I would bet whomever they were after in Abottabad, it was not Bin Laden, whether the Seals knew the true name of their target or not.
But it is clear that they crashed a helicopter doing it, in an embarrassing fashion, most resembling Desert One, while conducting military operations in a supposedly friendly country...during an election.
I am not certain they found who they were looking for in Abbotabad.
But I am pretty sure that whoever they found was tall...and convenient.
Yep. A source in Delta, who was following him around from 1998-2002, basically said Bin Laden was long dead, hence the quick "burial at sea bullshit"...
This story was a cover for the brutal silver smash that took place on that very day in 2011.
Sideshow indeed...
BHO's phony birth cert. was released "digitally" on the previous Friday evening. I was jumping up and down, screaming about it, at the time.
burp
"I Am Not Backing Off Anything I Said"
my fallow ameriguns a sad day indeed.
what we have witnessed here today
is the controlled demolition of a
pull it sir prize winner.
at free fall speed into his own kosher sphincter.
the liber oil conscience man
the man of letters who told it like it was not.
the rabbi that left no stone turned to find the lie behind the truth.
poor new yorker seminal hertz
a human hindenburg in the making folks
without the iceburg ahead
This story fell apart when he started raving about the New Yorker. If you've GOT a real story, you don't need to rave about "who didn't cover your story".
IF the ISI double-crossed America, why shouldn't the President be upset with the Pakistani military? Isn't that his JOB? Why shouldn't the President embarass them with a raid? Sounds like a GOOD response to me!!
If the real info was provided by an ISI walk-in, why shouldn't the CIA cover this up? WHY NOT? That's their freakin' job - to hide real sources!! So if a cover-up happened, then they were doing their job.
A lot of hot air. We will never know the exact truth.
Do we ever?
Thanks PrimalScream --- I just stated in another comment that this is still toooo abstract for the typical Ameritard to understand the significance, and you have clearly proven my point, dood!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/
I'm surprised Fox has not pulled this. It states that Bin Laden died in 2001. Hersh is just adding to the theater.
You've been here 12 weeks and you still don't understand why Faux News would keep that up?
I've been lied to by my government my whole life. If things changed, I wouldn't know how to react.
I'll have my lies with a side of Freedom fries. To go.
Reading this script reminds me of my Grandpa.
Immigrated from England after WW1, got ran over by a truck and gassed a few times in the war.
He took my chocolate Easter Bunny from me when I was about 6, and smacked me upside the head so hard I swear I saw stars.
Said that thing is to goddam big for someone your age and ate it himself.
Grandpa..what an asshole....
Originally I thought the story was bullshit-that OBL was dead for years -but now maybe I think it is somewhat true. So OBL is the good CIA man -team player. We hide him out for years in pakistan -knowing we will someday take him out as the designated patsy. So why kill an unarmed man when we could waterboard him and find out the real truth behind 911-his associates, sleeper cells, etc? maybe because he will reveal what really happened - how he has been a CIA stooge for years and that he really had a small role, if any in 911. Oswald was an FBI guy who may have had some involvement or foreknowledge of Kennedy assasination -he said "I'm a patsy" and he was-so Ruby did the hit to silence him. Again, why on earth would we deliberatly kill OBL? makes no sense -unless you realize Al Quaeda is CIA.
The thing that bothers me about this scenario though -is that why the quick burial at sea? No photos, no pictures of the body? No problem showing us dead pictures of Ghaddaffi and Saddam. This suggests that the body they claimed they killed was some stiff -a CIA double -maybe one of the doubles they used for those bogus Bin Laden videos more than a decade ago.
Either way, Everyone knows the Mossad, Neocons and Saudi intelligence did 911. Like OBL really took out WTC7 -arranged for Norad stand down, etc. What a joke. Anyone who believes the official version of 911 is just plain stupid and lazy.
The CIA isn't anywhere close to being so good as to be capable of changing the laws of human biology. Osama bin Laden couldn't possibly have lived that long.
This BS monkey show by Seymour Hersh is as pathetic as CIA's attempt to hide its drug trafficking operations.
My only question is why bother when the American sheeples are stupid enough to buy the official 9-11 BS.
That's what they say -but none of us has seen his medical records, so who knows. If he died in 2001- we know about it and covered it up so we could keep us all scared of the boogeyman. If Bin laden was there in 2011-it's because we put him there for safekeeping. No fucking way they would kill him if the official version of 911 were true -there were long time reports that Al Quaeda had nukes hidden in several major cities, ready to detonate -certainly they would want to ask him about that -Torture got Sheik Khalid Moammed to not only admit 911, but also to killing JFK, MLK, Santa Claus and causing global warming.
I haven't seen any official statement from any federal government agency placing the blame of 9-11 on Osama bin Laden. The FBI certainly never said anything about that. Those who had accused OBL as mastermind of 9-11 were all MSM propagandists. Just out of the blue BS, no evidence of any sort. In fact there is more credible evidence linking Dick Cheney to the successful attack than any Arabs the MSM has bothered to bring forward (5 of the 19 "officially listed hijackers" would later turn out to be alive, with some even appearing on TV interviews).
Thank you!
You have enough abstract intelligence to have understood the execution to silence the one individual who --- if the official Cheney/Bush conspiracy theory is to be believe --- should have been tortured and waterboarded until the end of time, but have lost it on the second part.
They didn't include any photos for the same reason they had plenty of photos of Flight 77 flying DEAD CENTER into the Pentagon's west wall --- because it sows the seeds of confusion and disbelief at so many levels!
A commercial satellite photo of the roof of the Pentagon clearly displays the burn marks which most obviously only fit the Boeing airliner's profile. This photo has appeared in various newspapers at various times, I last saw it in a 2008 issue of the NY Times Sunday Book Review section.
That is the only photo out there to date.
You are correct, it was a clean-cut execution to silence.
Just as the CIA's Alfreda Bikowsky Silverstein knowingly ordered the torture of innocent men to extract false confessions.
These two actions go hand-in-hand!
No plane hit the Pentagon. It was a missile. Thought this had been out there for at least 4 years.
How the hell can an airliner fit in that small hole, with no remains of the engines, fuselage, or any identifiable parts whatsoever?
I have no problem believing obama's capable of lying about this (or just being given wrong info) or that the bulk of the "mainstream" media would circle the wagons to protect him but if the paks knew/approved the raid why risk the stelth blackhawks? I know hindsight's 20/20 but what's the upside to putting those chips on the table to evade detection by someone who's expecting you?
Remember what "Just Us" did to Gary Webb...
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-med...
Seymour Hersh has credibility. Obummer and his "Just Us" cronies do not.
"Full Fate and Kredit."
Seymour Hersh & the MSM are staging a monkey show for the Sheeples. The script and the story line are pathetic by Zerohedge standards. As an insult to the intelligence of the American sheeples, the monkey show may be entertaining enough for the producer and director at least. Wonder how Seymour Hersh is getting rewarded for playing the lead role.
Automatic top 10
Now we know what Obama does after hours. He picks out Michelle's ticks and grooms her fur. :p
Looks like somebody just earned their way onto the no-fly & IRS audit lists!
The Farewell Song
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The time has come for us to say sayonara
my heart will always be yours for eternity
I knew some time we'd have to say sayonara
please promise that you'll be returning someday to me
I'll remember our romance until the day that I die
I'll see your face in the moon and stars in the sky
so, hold me close before you say sayonara
and promise that you'll always keep me near to your heart
I'll remember our romance until the day that I die
I'll see your face in the moon and stars in the sky
so, hold me close before you say sayonara
and promise that you'll always keep me near to your heart
always keep me near to your heart
Good thing you're in HK; the SEUI, Crips/Bloods, and the rest of the HomeGuard would be outside your door. :)
What agency do you work for?
He even gave her some cameltoe. ewww
He must work for the Secret Service.
That's not cameltoe. It's a school lunch taco.
F*CK YOU.......I JUST THREW UP MY DINNER!!!!
What's been seen cannot be unseen.
Artistically impressive but why Michelle Obama?
There are many better targets - Victoria Nuland and his/her husband Robert Kagan; GW Bush; Dick Cheney; Hillary Clinton; John McCain; Lindsey Graham; Yellen; Susan Rice; Condi Rice; Samantha Powers ...
More demonstrations of Obamao administration performing bookburning duties to ban anything the WH does not like.
Hence the directive thru FCC to control Internet content.
Brennan stated afterwards that they had a 60%-75% probablility that OBL was even in the compound. That is patently bullshit. No CIC would willingly risk another helicopter debacle in the desert, ala Jimmy Carter on 60-75% Multiply this by the likelihood of getting pinned down or losing assets, and I say no fucking way. Obama had to have 100%, which means Pakistani complicity.
Secondly, there were no contingency plans for what ifs: what if the Pakistani military responds, what if the teams get pinned down. The general assumption is your democratically elected civilian leaders would open all diplomatic channels, which was promptly vetoed by . . .Obama.
This whole fucking thing was staged to make Obama look like a steely-eyed riverboat gambler.
It was engineered too buy votes. Hipsters were eating out of Obama's hand.
This is fantastic stuff!
Seymour can add an Academy Award as Best Actor to his Pulitzer.
Because Bin Fucking Laden was dead many years ago (see 2:14 mark where Bhutto confirms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MBTd5QNGB0)
I thought he died right after 911. Didn't he watch it all from an ONI hospital unit up in the mountains, nice TV and all that, laid back gittin dialysis and drinking juice? (read that in the SF papers) Maybe his entitlements run out on him and he had to apply for Pakistani medicaid or somethin. DNA my ass.
Do not question our Dear Leader about anything, comrades, including that story about dumping OBL's body into the ocean. Your job is to obey. And don't forget to pay your taxes!
If he wasn't a member of the tribe he would have had an '''accident'' long ago.
Hmmmm....Seymour Hersh has a bit of a tribal ring to it?
Seymour will save us, he's really getting to the bottom of things now!
Obomber just wants this to go away by attacking Hersch. If Sy's story stands, then the odd deaths of most of Seal Team 6 gets a closer look. If they can lie about the way Tillamn died, which was war-related friendly fire, then a sabotaged helio killing a lot of brave dudes is to be avoided at all costs.
Getting way too obvious what's coming out of the zio-queer circus these daze. Putin must be set to unleash the full 9/11 details and the tribe has to gather their forces to put out some counterspin.
Putin could come up with all the evidence in the world and it'd still make no difference. The MSM and the traitors running the country will dismiss it as propaganda while Joe and Josephine Sixpack slumber on, barely lifting an eyebrow.
In fact the evidence is already staring us in the face. Two elements alone; the 'dancing Israelis' (we were there to record the event) and the WTC 7 freefall collapse after Larry Silverstein gave the order to 'pull it'. No, they've gotten away with it.
Future generations will marvel how and why, but yes, they have gottten away with it.
Even when these Jews are 'telling the truth' they're lying...
Masters of Deceit and Manipulation and THAT is why they have been hated throughout history.
Ancient Polish proverb ''The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you''.
Professional eternal victims.
Kind of a new form of jewish lightning.
I think UBL is holed up in the Lincoln Bedroom, and would there be any real repercussions if it came to light? Fuck no.
Could the Russians prove the Moon Landings were hoaxes too?
Astro toast at 1,000 miles up.
The ship had no radiation shielding passing through the VAB, twice.
Probably soon find out when the Chinese try it.
The Chinese know it was bullshit too.
I wish eiither Russia and/or China would expose the US bullshit.
The USA is a country built on bullshit.
The moon landings were as real as the ISIS beheadings.
Actually, a little more so, if you at least consider we sent unmanned landers to take the photos that were later cobbled together. Notice where the background photo meets the ground, near the hash marks.
http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Apollo17-Schmitt%20and%20rake-AS17-13...
This mountain, on left, grows and shrinks during the the visit, but always stays out of focus.
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/a/ap17site.jpg
http://thegaspol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/lunar-roving-vehicle-lrv...
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/93/6c/55/936c558690ebc434b63a1ad6...
Then, there's this beauty. The orientation of the mountain has been swapped with the smaller one behind it, in the visor's reflection. Or, the flag was planted and replanted on the other (dark) side of the mountain. Oopsie.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Apollo_17_Cernan_on_m...
Notice how earth has shrunk to moon size.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Astronaut_Harri...
Clear line where horizon is pasted just above hash marks.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Apollo_17_Cernan_on_m...
Disappearing hash mark and missing shadows. The sun appears to have gone higher in the sky. The sun never sets on the sunny side.
http://www.denstoredanske.dk/@api/deki/files/941/=33415704.jpg
Shadows on the moon don't run in the same direction.
The laws of physics don't work on the moon, manhattan, or northern virginia.
It's a worm hole thing I suppose.
Here's another winner. Shadow of parabolic antennae atop lander is huge and shadows run in opposite directions. This indicates the light source is close. Also, the horizon line where the pictures meet is evident. I could do this all day. They never anticipated the internet when they 'faked' all these photos.
http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/Panoramas/HR/A17-140-21366-73HR.jpg
Interesting question. Many foreign nations particularly the Russians would have had the ability to track the spacecraft and communications. Wouldn't they have blown the whistle if the moon landings were hoaxes?
I got nothing useful out of this post, unless I wanted to know about Hersh's personality. But I don't. Does he have a large ads like Kim Kadashian?
They could always do a ''Michael Hastings on Hersh'' but then again, tribe members are off limits for that.
I'm not too sure about that.
I'm thinking of the six million who supposedly died some seventy plus years ago.
Obviously they weren't off limits for amen zion to achieve His goals.
6 millions;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
And then there's the unfortunate statistics from the World Almanac. World-wide Jewish population in 1933 15.3 million. Figure for 1948? 15.7 million. Oh dear....
You see the Holocau$t industry wasn't established until the early fifties.
But according to daveo's link six million were dying in 1915 too.
Maybe they're counting from the start of zion's calender.
5775 years of dying = six millions
Yes sir, having a serious kidney disease that requires daily dialysis just makes me want to trek up and down mountains and run a terrorist organization - hoo rah!.....hell, it's even better than Red Bull!...
What a petulant old fucker, eh. Hersh is going to be harassed for the remainder of his life. What a dork-for-brains simpleton.
...anything for a good story. How good are his journalistic skills anyway?
Reading this was very entertaining.
fwiw I dont think the story of OBL dying in 2001 actually enjoys more evidence than any other story about him...
but, who gives a shit, OBL was a patsy.
Left out of this discussion is the curious fact that OBL DENIED involvement initially.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-i...
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html?iref...
people know less about that then they do about the Dancing Israelis, Odigo, or Urban Moving Systems.
Or just how lucky Lucky Larry was.
btw Its always good to read debunking sites. for example, some raise the solid point that WTC *was* more damaged than most conspiracy sites show [true - but it doesnt matter as to near free fall from office fires and the loss of a single support column from the roof down - that was not only a demo, it was *obviously* a demo]
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility
see what a poor job a decent site does here.
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Criticism of Israel Not Allowed in Canada – Hate Crime Laws to Be Used Against Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Supporters:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/criticism-of-israel-not-allowed-in-canada-h...
COMING SOON to a former American Republic near you!
Which Larry? Summers or the other one?
"fwiw I dont think the story of OBL dying in 2001 actually enjoys more evidence than any other story about him..."
The "stories" of OBL, post 2001, are surely just claims by Western IC and MSM; not backed by any evidence?
Meanwhile, Paul Craig Roberts reported...
"A Funeral Notice for Osama bin Laden was published on December 26, 2001, in the Egyptian newspaper al-Ward. An English translation is provided below. Anyone fluent in Arabic is invited to verify or correct the translation. This item was sent to me from a reader abroad."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/osama-bin-ladens-obituary-notice/5358889
Plus you have PCR gathering evidence (e.g. interviews with people who lived near Osama's alleged compound) totally contradicting MSM accounts about the raid and Osama's presence.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-was-an-ameri...
New evidence is emerging re Building 7. Apparently five windows had been broken by the fire, not four. Hence the freefall collapse.
And I'd love to know the basis on which you were awarded the reds/downs.
Are Hershey Bar's involved here.
I'd side everyday with Z/H'rs Opinions but the most important points are that Obama is a filthy lying cunt and he has nothing but contempt for US Citizens.
Some President Eh?
ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos has given $75,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent years, charitable contributions that he did not publicly disclose while reporting on the Clintons or their nonprofit organization, the On Media blog has learned.
In 2012, 2013 and 2014, Stephanopoulos made $25,000 donations to the 501 nonprofit founded by former President Bill Clinton, the foundation's records show. Stephanopoulos never disclosed this information to viewers, even when interviewing author Peter Schweizer last month about his book "Clinton Cash," which alleges that donations to the foundation may have influenced some of Hillary Clinton's actions as secretary of state.
In a statement to the On Media blog on Thursday, Stephanopoulos apologized and said that he should have disclosed the donations to ABC News and its viewers.
============ http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/george-stephanopoulos-discloses-contribution-to-clinton-207120.html
Way to go George! /S Fuck you and Immelt too.
Here you go class, this will be on your final exam:
Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned Michael Milken et.al.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
Be sure to read the above list,
Seems that Michael has an institute of his own and Global Warming, like his last scam is his next money maker:
Micheal Milken, Gary Becker, Myron Scholes and … – NPQ
http://www.digitalnpq.org/…/global/…/micheal_milken-gary_becker-myron_sc...
Jul 31, 2006 – NOBEL ECONOMIST ROUNDTABLE: ON GLOBAL WARMING AND GLOBAL … The session was chaired by financier Michael Milken.
Michael Milken – Photos
http://www.mikemilken.com › Photo › 2006
Mike Milken Photo Album, Printer-friendly version E-mail this page to a friend … The panelists agreed that agreed that global warming is a real phenomenon and …
Global Conference 2015 | Program Detail » Milken Institute
http://www.milkeninstitute.org/…/global…/global…/program-de...
Milken Institute
Michael Milken, Chairman, Milken Institute …… and China will hasten solutions to pressing challenges such as global warming and slowing economic growth.
Well if I had retained any doubts about Global Warming being a scam.......
seymour hersh the reader of this article is also saying, so obama lied, so what
I'm confused. Do i believe the black man or the jew? This must be causing some real cognitive dissonance for you guys.
One man seeks constantly to propagate lies. The other makes his living trying to uncover lies and to speak truth. I'm with the latter.
I liked the old days when lots of people had enough money to tell the truth. I is so bad to day that I can't even walk to Trader Joe's because the California drought is raining so hard.
It rained all night the day I left, the weather it was dry
Fed.gub under Oshithead, in the way it goes after citizens and their freedoms, I find a bit McCarthyesque
He's probably a Mossad agent. He wrote a whole book to popularize the "Samson Option". Did the US and Russians need to hear it from him? No. But he was given the job of having it enter into the public discourse. This is basically the Israeli government going after Obama. Hersh's anger gives him away. He didn't want this gig. He's trying to sell furniture for 70% off, but it's ugly shit. He's coming off as a clown and he knows it.
Doesn't the new crop or candidates and all the bullshit flying around now make a toilet bowl at a geryhound station seem so appetizing?
So Obama lied. And this is news?
I'm not backing off anything I said either.
JFK Jr.'s plane didn't suddenly nose dive into the Atlantic from 2,500 feet in clear weather because of pilot error or mechanical failure. The MK Ultra flight instructor cut the fuel and nosed the plane over.
Woo Hoo! Go, Hersh! THIS is the fearlessness journalists should have.
The real story here is not what Hersh is coming out with. The real story is the way the MSM is following obama's lead and fighting it as hard as they can. The real story is that he is making a mockery of the administration and puppet media and further destroying any legitimacy they claimed to have left at this point.
The sooner the public realizes they are being fed propaganda wholesale, the sooner they will figure out that ALL "news" is to be disregarded as it's more likely than not bullshit.
The best propaganda is a mix of lies, misdirects, half-truths and truths. You know how the msm loves slapping up youtube videos? That's because it's as close to "truth" as they can come anymore.