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Billionaire Oil CEO Demands Scientists Terminated After Oklahoma Quake Study
The billionaire CEO of Continental Resources told a dean at the University of Oklahoma that he wanted earthquake researchers fired. In one of the most transparently oligarchic tactics we have seen yet during this 'recovery', oil tycoon Harold Hamm demanded certain scientists be dismissed following their findings that fracking wastewater disposal was the cause of the spike in Oklahoma earthquakes. Despite his protestations recently that "I don't try to push anyone around," as the following email obtained by Bloomberg, exposes, "Mr. Hamm is very upset at some of the earthquake reporting to the point that he would like to see select OGS staff dismissed."
As we noted previously, no matter what other problems may or may not be linked to hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, the disposal of wastewater from oil and gas drilling almost certainly is primarily responsible for the recent spate of earthquakes in Oklahoma, normally a seismologically quiet state.
That’s the conclusion of a report issued April 21 by the Oklahoma Geological Survey (OGS), in which the state geologist Richard D. Andrews and Dr. Austen Holland, the state seismologist, said the rate of earthquakes near major oil and gas drilling operations that produce large amounts of wastewater demonstrate that the quakes “are very unlikely to represent a naturally occurring process.”
Andrews and Holland concluded that the “primary suspected source” of the quakes is not hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, in which water and chemicals are injected under high pressure to crack shale to free oil and gas trapped inside. It said the source is more likely the injection of wastewater from this process in disposal wells, because water used in fracking cannot be re-used.
“The OGS considers it very likely that the majority of recent earthquakes, particularly those in central and north-central Oklahoma, are triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells,” the statement said. It warned that residents should prepare for “a significant earthquake.”
Oklahoma recorded 585 earthquakes with a magnitude of 3 or greater, the equivalent of the force felt in Oklahoma City at the time of the terrorist bombing in 1995. This is a significant increase from 109 earthquakes of the same magnitude in 2013. Before 2008, when fracking became a popular drilling technique in the state, there were fewer than two earthquakes in Oklahoma each year, on average.
Andrews’ and Holland’s report draws the same conclusions as a study last year by Katie Keranen, an assistant professor of seismology at Cornell University, who found that injecting fracking wastewater into underground disposal sites tends to widen cracks in geological formations, increasing the chances of earthquakes.
Keranen’s study, in turn, reinforces similar conclusions in a previous study by the U.S. Geological Survey, which found that earthquakes in central and eastern parts of the United States between 2010 and 2013 also coincided with the disposal of fracking wastewater.
What’s important about Andrews’ and Holland’s conclusion is that they represent the state of Oklahoma, where energy is an important industry, providing about one-quarter of the state’s jobs. Last autumn, Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, dismissed the problem as speculative and urged further study.
But in a statement coinciding with Andrews’ and Holland’s report, Fallin said their ability to link wastewater disposal with earthquakes was significant and promised unspecified action. “Oklahoma state agencies already are taking action to address this issue and protect homeowners,” she said.
The state’s energy industry also supports further study of the state’s recent uncharacteristic seismic activity. “Oklahoma’s oil and natural gas producers have a proven history of developing the state’s oil and natural gas resources in a safe and effective manner,” Kim Hatfield, regulatory committee chairman for the Oklahoma Independent Petroleum Association, said in a statement.
And now, as Bloomberg reports, it is clear the elites were not happy with these findings...
According to the dean's e-mail recounting the conversation, Oil tycoon Harold Hamm told a University of Oklahoma dean last year that he wanted certain scientists there dismissed who were studying links between oil and gas activity and the state's nearly 400-fold increase in earthquakes...
He has vigorously disputed the notion that he tried to pressure the survey's scientists. "I'm very approachable, and don't think I'm intimidating," Hamm was quoted as saying in an interview with EnergyWire, an industry publication, that was published on May 11. "I don't try to push anybody around."
Kristin Thomas, a spokeswoman for Continental, says the company has no comment.
Worse still the lies and deceit run deep...
Catherine Bishop, the university's vice president of public affairs and one of the recipients of Grillot's 2014 e-mail, didn't respond to requests for an interview, but she defended Hamm in an e-mail: "Mr. Hamm absolutely did not ask to be on the search committee or to have anyone from Continental put onto the committee, nor did he ask that anyone from the Oklahoma Geological Survey be dismissed," she wrote.
Asked about the difference between her statement and Grillot's 2014 e-mail, Bishop responded: "Please note that the bottom line is that University of Oklahoma will not tolerate any possible interference with academic freedom and scientific inquiry." She added in a subsequent message: "Neither Mr. Hamm nor anyone from Continental Resources served on the search committee."
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Hamm has been a generous donor to the University of Oklahoma, including a 2011 gift of $20 million for a diabetes research center named after the oilman. University President David Boren, a former U.S. senator, sits on the board of directors of Hamm's Continental Resources.
In the e-mail he wrote about his meeting with Hamm, Grillot—who himself sits on the board of Pioneer Natural Resources, an Irving (Tex.)-based oil and gas company—noted that he saw Boren leaving Continental's corporate offices before he went in to see the CEO.
Profits - once again - it would appear come before public safety and while money may not be able to buy happiness, it seems to be able to buy pretty much everything else.
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That fault is going to slip at somepoint. Any fault. A lot of little quakes might be better than one big one.
This sort of thing was first observed in California in the 1950s or '60s if I recall. Also, when I did my undergrad at UWO, one of my fellow students showed the same correlation between injections of wastewater and earthquakes in southwestern Ontario. Once the oil company understood what she was studying, they cut off the data.
Arguably, the small earthquakes reduce the stress on the fault in a controlled manner. However, as earthquake risk management, it is a risky strategy, as it does increase the likelihood of triggering a large quake if the stresses in the area are large.
Is the current disposal method of the fracking water the cheapest and mostly unregulated way to do it? That's probably a driving factor in this.
pay attention losers....the Chosenite media said man made global warming man made climate change man made climate disruption caused the earthquakes, and I believe it
This is why science and academia has been completely corrupted.
One thousand scientists believe in global warming or peak oil?
Who gives a shit. They are pwned.
Who does he think he's dealing with, the White House?
"Profits - once again - it would appear come before public safety and while money may not be able to buy happiness, it seems to be able to buy pretty much everything else."
Hamm was just pissed his second wife wanted over $1 billion to take with her. He must perform poorly in bed.
Also, David Boren is a CFR scumbag, that's been known for years. I remember there was a bad ice storm at OU one year. Tree limbs were blocking major streets through the campus, people were having a hard time getting to final exams, and he had people cleaning up his yard first thing...
Get a rope.
When a earthquake is registered in Texas, you can go to the USGS website and see where and and how deep. Then with Google Earth you can go to that area and look for fracking stations. You will see pad sites with water tanks, pumps and rigs for for extraction.
Typically the fracking stations will be close to an epicenter and along old fault lines. Quakes will be 3-5 miles deep and register 1-4 on the scale... minor quakes that shift pressure on rocks stratas and cause building damage in shallow epicenters.
My opinion is that fracking yields oil, gas, jobs and profits but at a cost of earthquakes, contamination of ground water.
It is a tradeoff that makes big profits for some folk. Do you think anyone making big bucks cares about quakes or groundwater?
In drought areas where fracking is done, one has to take into account of how much water is used by fracking companies and how does fracturing underground rock stratas effect faults that have been dormant for long periods.
Fracking = Earthquakes
Youtube channel owner Dutchsinse just called and he wants his idea back.
This guy's been documenting the quakes for the last 3 years: quake location/google earth/ fraccing sites.
It's a 1 to 1 correlation in fraccing areas. I know I know, correlation is not causation but when you look at the data it damn sure looks that way.
They frack in greater Dallas?! I know there have been several quakes around the Dallas metropolitan area but I didn't know about all those wells in the city. Kindly point me to them thar wells under all these epicenters please.
http://earthquaketrack.com/us-tx-dallas/recent
You'd need a fuckton of small quakes to alleviate all the stress let lose by one big one. The Richter Scale is logarithmic folks.
Ten thousand or so might do it.
Just 4 fracking wastewater sites cause 20 percent of all central US earthquakes
He is a classic example of garbage idiotic thinking due to, among other things, mathematical illiteracy.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function". ~ Albert Bartlett
Who downvotes a post like this? Clearly some tools out there.
Longer follow-up here http://www.worldcomplex.blogspot.ca/2015/05/fracking-breaks-oklahoma.htm...
Hows about a default, we need default insurance.
I guess default isn't just in California anymore, amiright?
Opinion like this should not pass for real science. They can't prove it and it's not happening in North Dakota.
I think you're tripping over the phrase "causing earthquakes". A better concept might be advancing the next earthquake's timetable (IMHO, not necessarily a big deal). If there's little stress in North Dakota, why would you expect earthquakes there (even with fracking)?
EDIT: If I was the oil company, my argument should a big earthquake occur would be this: "If we advanced the timetable, the energy accumulated was less then it would have been otherwise, and we should be thanked. If we had no effect on the timetable, why are we here in this courtroom?".
p.s. Not a fan of oil companies. Turned down a 4-year college scholarship with a string attached: "Would consider working in the petroleum industry".
What's your science? Did it ever dawn on you that North Dakota is a different part of the continent, with different rock, differetn tempreratures, different existing faults? This is real science, and clearly you can't process information to have an informed opinion. Just try a simple search and see what you come up with.... but that may be too much effort for you... so here http://www.livescience.com/49785-oklahoma-earthquake-risk-hidden-faults....
I thought the point of frakking was to break the petro outta SHALE. So how exactly is the rock makeup completely different in ND than Oki or Tx?
I think you missed this part from YOUR link whilest you were yammering about real science (and being a condescending prick) or something.
"In Oklahoma, hidden faults beneath the surface are primed to pop... "
" Some of these faults [In Oklahoma] were previously unknown and threaten critical structures, such as huge oil-storage facilities"
"But the geology underlying Montana and the Dakotas is more benign, with fewer faults near their breaking point"
" some 30,000 wastewater disposal wells operate in the United States without triggering damaging earthquakes. "
and then, the coup de gras
"However, the new study does not draw a link between oil and gas drilling and Oklahoma's earthquakes"
So in the end I'm left with the question, what's YOUR science.
Nope. ND has had at least two earthquakes in the last 3 years, dead center of the patch epicentering right near recently drilled disposal wells.
http://earthquaketrack.com/p/united-states/north-dakota/biggest
JLee. You are an idiot.
Mr. "Hamm" is supposedly a chosen-ite.
Using injection wells to dispose of contaminated water always leads to bad outcomes, whether contaminated aquifers, ground subsidence or temblors. Out of sight, out of mind is not the way to dispose of poisonous material.
What a tub of shit.
The man's a billionaire, for God's sake, and we should listen. He probably makes water run up hill in his spare time.
Uphill? Nah he's goyim. Only chosen Billies walk on ZH water.
This is what tax code and government regulations gets us....
Return to the Constitutional principles now before we self destruct.
Hamm can't feel it from his house
So what's the public saftey impact of these quakes? There are apparently over 100k 3-4 quakes per year in the world.
Furthermore, isnt every industral endver a public safey risk? I bet there is more damage done to humans by the nat gas / oil peakers in NYC than some shakes in OK. Ya'll want your cheap energy though, right? Unless you're willing to push a car 25 miles down the highway for $3 you better come to terms with physics and how the world works.
Whether or not this is a sustainable path is a different topic. But if you want to complain about the methods of cheap energy, while using cheap energy, youre a god damn hypocrite.
But it's so much fun to bitch, bitch, bitch about what "they" should be doing,
and easier than working.
Isn't waste water being recycled now? Why would that require some miraculous new technology?
You cannot equate man made quakes with natural. Natural quakes have been planned for (to a fair degree) in the first and most of the second world areas. They can use historic and geologic information to determine the likely hood and potential magnitude of the quakes due to geologic forces that have been going on for millions of years in the region.
Man made quakes due to altering the geologic balances are unpredictable. Just as none of the "experts" were able to warn or predict that fracking was going to cause them to start they are also unable to predict how big they may become. The basis of past predictions are being made void by the fracking activity. They can no longer predict the fequency (obviously) and thus cannot predict the magnitude.
Under natural geologic conditions smaller quakes release known stressing in the strata and can makie a larger quake, they can also signal that a larger quake is coming - but still the smaller ones help to lessen the magnitude. These fracking quakes are totally different. They are a signal that unnatural changes are being forced upon the strata and that it is being made unnaturally unstable. Instead of being a signal that stress is being released slowly they are a signal that conditions undergound are being changed in ways that are causing unpredictable and unprecidented movements due to man made unstability. The fracking quakes are a signal that the mechanisms that result in predictable stress release have been replaced with mechanisms that can result in large movements.
Much like injecting increased pressure and lubricant into the ground that allows it to amplify the number of movements over a shorter period of time and causes the eventual larger movement to be MUCH larger than would have naturally occured. This turns the area to a low earthquake movement design criteria for structures into a higher movement design concern. When the larger movement occurs structures then fail.
Then you have to consider how all this unprecidented frequency of movement/cracking increases the ability of gas and contamination to move from deep underground into the medium depth water aquifers. Once they are polluted they cannot be replaced and not only drinking water but bathing water must be purified in ways NOT used at you city or home plant. Oh, and when used for irrigation it builds up over time in the surface soil and that pure spring water written about in songs (which also supplies the rivers) is poison.
Right, man can create enough mechanical hydraulic pressure to cause fault slippage. Complete fucking non-sense. That's not even pseudo science, it's anti-science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Oklahoma_earthquake
The Wilzetta Fault is a 55-mile (89 km) long fault zone that runs from central Pottawatomie County to the western part of Creek County.[7] It is a strike-slip fault, where two adjacent crustal blocks slide horizontally past each other, but unlike the similar moving San Andreas Fault, the Wilzetta Fault is not located near the margins of any tectonic plates. From 1972 to 2008, between two to six earthquakes were recorded annually by the USGS, however 50 were recorded in 2009.
In March 2013, an article published in the scientific journal Geology concluded that the earthquake could have been triggered by the cumulative effects of injecting oil drilling wastewater under high pressure into the underground.[10] An issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research published in March 2014 found that a magnitude 5.0 foreshock believed to be induced by fluid injection promoted failure of the rupture plain of the November 5 mainshock.
You do understand the operative words in YOUR comment, right?
"could have "
"believed to be "
Sounds like open and shut to me. Oh wait...
I've lived in the Dallas area since 1984. Never had an earthquake until after 2010 when fracking became widespread. I've been through at least a dozen already since then. It could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
Fracking causes quakes... if you like your quakes keep fracking.
If your groundwater stays sweet and your property receives no damage no foul. If it happens to your neighbor, oh well?
Same here Sun Tzu, it began here after 2008. Easy to find science for those who look.
What's your science?
Dude... go to USGS and download earthquake data and match with fracking operations.
No doubt if you do the work. Taking a stand based on biased information makes for weak rebuttals.
One of the best tools to use is Earthquake 3D
Free and safe download http://www.wolton.net/quake.html
The free version is good for most folks.
The program draws its data in REAL TIME from USGS. It shows all quakes registered by global monitoring agencies including USGS. Be aware USGS has been caught revising quake data for some strange reasons after first postings.
Why quote biased opinions when it is easy to see for yourself?
Dude... go to USGS and download earthquake data and match with fracking operations.
Except for these ones, right? These are the exception, right? Find me those wells in the metro Dallas area please. If you don't I'll just take it as tacit admission that you're a fucking simpleton like globull warmists.
http://earthquaketrack.com/us-tx-dallas/recent
Where does the energy for a "larger quake" come from if it's not naturally there already? Lubricating a system does not introduce new energy.
In terms of the aquifer contamination, I have no idea. You make it sound like I give a damn about OK's well being. Fossil fuels are a dead end but no one gives a fuck. We're still in the happy times. We can shit on some fat shit oil tycoon and feel good, but we're just diluting the fact that we are slaves to dinosaur goo.
You do not have to "create" energy you just have to release what is already there. A boulder sitting high up on a rock face has stored energy (call it potential energy for the lack of a better term) if you remove the friction holding it there it moves, thus convertng the stored energy into the force of the movement and the impact it delivers.
Its not just lubrication, they are injecting these fluids at extremely high pressure in concentrated areas. The ground and these faults isn't some sort of unified system. The damaging effects are on earthquake are much more severe from a shallow quake that occurs closer to the surface. We know fracking is causing these quakes, but since we don't know exactly how there is no way to accurately predict what could happen. Better not to find out by triggering a massive quake.
But what do the seismologists and geologists that work in the industry say. I mean it wouldn't be the first time that one group makes certain claims that are not or can not be substantiated. If Hamm has data that says otherwise let's see it. I would also like to see how both goups are connecting the dots and look at raw "unadjusted" data.
Is it just me or does this article say that everyone denies Hamm requested anyone dismissed except for this one guy Grillo?
My cousin is a geophysicist.
Says injection wells are like lube.
Went to a GP event where CHK had a speaker that did nothing but deny, deny, deny.
Her nose punched a hole in the wall.
I remember Hamm's beer. Not the same guy, I presume?
From the land of sky blue waters...,
Hamm's the beer refreshing.
(The shit that sticks in your head, but that's the point, isn't it?)
That fucking pig even looks like a villain from a fairy tale. Their glamours are falling...
Lackey: "Mr. Hamm, who shall we get to replace those scientists?"
Mr. Hamm: "Is that fellow I keep hearing about, Winston Smith, still available?"
Lackey: "Ahem? I'll check sir."
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
What's a few earthquakes between friends......
Needs a fracking hose up the wazoo until he pops.
Yes, it does look as if Mr. Hamm has a ham or two stuck in his colon, nothing a pressure fracking hose shouldn't clear out.
something like Veruca Salt
That is a good photo of a financial pervert. To the pyramids. To the pyramids. We will come rejoicing bringing in the thieves.
So, don't work for him.
Downvote.
Or anyone who dares point out what he's really doing... He'll just send an email to your boss and demand not only that you be fired, but also that he have a hand in selecting your replacement.
America? FUCK YEAH!
Stringing up the thieves,
Stringing up the thieves.
We will be rejoicing
Hanging all the thieves.
Funny thing here in South Central Kansas we aren't having nearly the quakes we have had over the past 3 years....we all know why the frackers have shut it down due to prices. I can say after the 4.3 we had last fall my pool lost a lot of water and now has a permanent leak. Coincidence perhaps I can say sitting in your kitchen while the cabinet door are banging open and close is a bit disconcerting. Have lived here for 26 years and outside of the last 3-4 never a quake. If they aren't caused by the fracking would be amazed. Also have some cracks in my brick walls that weren't there before. Folks now taking out earthquake insurance......hmmmm. I want to know why these SOB's aren't responsible for the damage? Especially if they want to continue. I am not a litigious person but if they don't restrain these aholes then I will participate in a Class Action suit to stop them or make them pay.
Mr. Hamm can JAMM it in his where the sun don't shine....
"I can say after the 4.3 we had last fall my pool lost a lot of water and now has a permanent leak. " Hey MAN,,,you have a P O O L??? Oh wow, Man! I guess that puts YOU right up there in the 'top tier' of earners, huh. I wish I had a pool. I wish I had the money for a pool. I wish I had money for a house. I guess your pool cracking and drainin' out your water is sort of karmic, huh, Man? I guess if you hadn't had that pool water in your pool in the first place, Man, that maybe California would have more damn drinking water now, Man. Huh? You agree, Bud? Yeah, maybe we can run a pipe to CA. and send them the fracking water. Maybe we can use some of the new Wind Turbines to power the pumps to send the frackin' water thru the pipes, huh? You have a Right, Man, to have a pool and water for it.
I haven't seen TOO many pictures of quake damage. I saw one house had the brick veneer trashed in a few places. Insurance cover that? I think it should. Then again, Insurance Commission in OK. is so corrupt, I'm sure they decided it was by 'Global Warming' and not covered. Maybe your pool 'settled'. How long has it been there? Houses settle over time. Then again, maybe the freakin' quake broke a crack in it. Drain it, fill the crack, and redo.
I'd guess fracking f's up the water supply for several miles around where they drill/produce/frack. Which is most of S. KS. and OK., too. I don't know many water wells around that are safe to drink. They have water wells drilled along the Arkansas River all over the place and they pump the Rural Water right from there. Cancer, dominant killers in these parts for many, many years. Can't be the sewage from Wichita, Dodge City stock yards,,,etc etc causing cancer down here in OK, can it? Nahhh... Just modern frackin'. Or maybe it is caused by the ranchers spraying their Agent Orange over the damn pastures and farmers spraying their wheat and soybeans for bugs causing the cancer. Nahhh... Media would have been on to that.
Well, enough of my rant. I hope you get your pool fixed. I remember a quake in San Diego when I was out there in the service. Sob bounced for 20 seconds or so and thing rolled, shook, and a bit of damage. I felt one of the OK. quakes. It was a slight bump,,,,I was in my chair at the time. I thought, 'wth was that movement'??? Then I HEARD it, a 'crack', one that I've never heard before. Weird sound. And that was it. I haven't felt another quake again, but 'they' say there has been hundreds. Photos of major damage? Where are they?? HuH? Did your Insurance Company pay for the crack in your pool to be fixed? Did it? p.s. Ain't hatin' on you 'cause you got a pool. Ain't a perfect world. Get out and go spend money at your local Indian Casino. You talk about 'inequality' and getting screwed, you play the Odds in one of those places and you are so, so screwed. Which is sort of a karmic payback too, I suppose.
You the guy who's lies were used to ban DDT? How did that work out? Well, lets look. Malaria was almost wiped out but now millions upon millions have died and a million more die every year from malaria. Because of your lies. Is that not enough blood for you?
No one murders more (besides government) than progressive eco-murderers. Your war on cheap hydrocarbon energy is a war to destroy the quality of life of the world's poor, if not their lives.
FOAD.
Grimaldus
Its because they love us.
A lot of that activity was from fracking in northern OK.
Queen Mary made them halt.
Scientists found new fault lines in Texas and Oklahoma a few months ago then I read that "scientists" say fracking has caused recent quakes in the same area. They would have you believe that man made mechanical hydraulic pressures are causing the quakes. MAN MADE MECHANICAL HYDRAULIC PRESSURE IS CAUSING PLATES TO SLIP! Let that shit sink in. Man can create enough hydraulic pressures to move tectonic plates...wow, OK sure
I think Idiocracy is an understatement.
Deny the data? Does it have to be tectonic plates slipping to cause earthquakes? Guess you say fracking water is safe also? Which bank or oil company do you work for?
Intraplate earthquakes are caused by stresses within plates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraplate_earthquake
The trouble is that when most people think about tectonic plates, they imagine them like bricks grinding against each other. But these "bricks" are thousands of miles wide. Imagine pushing two objects thousands of miles across towards each other--wouldn't it be reasonable for their to be stresses inside the plates (especially along pre-existing cracks) as well as at the edges where they are grinding together?
Better to think of the critical contact region of the tectonic plates to be a thousand miles LONG, not wide. As we know local movements of these plates cause devestating destruction in localized sections as movement along a short LENGTH of the plate moves. The residual shockwaves may extend to a lesser extend along the length but the key movement was localized.
And yes, it is like bricks grinding against each other. It is the friction betweent the plates that restrain the movements and then is released in spurts. The friction is also related to the make up of the surface of the rocks and the pressures between them.
Fracking fluid in injected at a much higher pressure than the natural pressure which forces it into all the cracks and seams. It is then hydraulic shocked to break the cracks wide and to crack the seams. Thus you have fracking injecting a lubricant into the seams, breaking open cracks wider and increasing the pressure into the seams that has counteracted the natural pressure pushing the seams together to create the friction.
Right, say something that doesn't fit into your tiny, brainwashed world view and I must work for bank or oil company. And what fucking data? Hey, we've got a bunch of small earthquakes and fracking in the same area. Must be caused by fracking. It's fucking ant-science bullshit. If Mans measly mechanically produced hydraulic pressures can cause fault slippage then lookout for the movie San Andreas to come true.
Could be because you are full of shit
Wedge you are grossly misinformed on quakes and fracking. If you own a farm where they frack you should bone up on it.
Could be because you are.
Here's hoping you get your wish for 'walking and riding horses' for Transportation.
Because we were all walking and riding horses prior to fracking. LMAO!
Wedgie I really can't believe you are denying this...Okie State is right in the middle of some of the richest oil areas in the U.S.. Phillips Petroleum, Continental Oil (Conoco) among several others were founded practically next door. For their scientisst to come out and call a spade a spade when they are one of the American Universities most rewarded from oil monies (T Boone also big benefactor) is a BIG DEAL.
Now do you want to come out and clarify your interests in this? Are you truly just a impartial interest? My daddy worked the oil fields in the 50's after he came back from Korea to help put himself thru OU and food on our table. I am NOT an anti-oil industry person. I fully understand the dilemna we face in our energy needs. That said this appears to be either an area where they are risking property and groundwater in their efforts to frack and creating damages. Why should they have carte blanche to destroy other peoples assets as well as groundwaters ?
Mankind has denuded millions of hectares of natural vegitation and paved over millions of hectares of land...
Mankind has diverted and/or dammed some of the largest rivers on the planet, and has purportedly all but drained some of the largest natural aquafers on the planet...
Mankind has left his footprints on the Moon, placed over 2,200 satalites in orbit, and has sent robots kicking around on Mars and flying off into the farthest reaches of our solar system and beyond...
Mankind has not only split the atom and harnessed nuclear forces for energy production; but, has enough canned sunshine to obliterate life on the surface of this planet lying around today...
Those facts are seldom disputed.
Given those seldom disputed facts, I personally do not find it a stretch to conceive that human military and/or industrial activity such as removing and/or injecting vast cubic feet of gas/oil/water/etc. under very high pressures might destabilize the geography -or even disturb tectonic plates.
Are you saying that injecting water into "known" existing faults will not make them slip before they otherwise would?
And these are not plate edge faults monami, they are internal plate faults.
A bit of reading might help?
Squid
It's good to be rich and buy government:
From Enenews:
'Did Wyoming really just outlaw citizen science?'"I first heard about the new Wyoming law #SF0012 through the Slate article summarizing it as a criminalization of citizen science. There’s a real danger that it could be interpreted and implemented that way, but let’s try and give Wyoming the benefit of the doubt for a minute. The text of the law only requires that scientists (citizen or otherwise) acquire written or verbal permission from landowners for collecting data on their land. It goes on to define what “data” means, including photographs in a fairly wide definition, and “collecting” as taking data with the intention of turning it over to a state or federal agency. It also defines trespassing and outlines the consequences for those who fail to receive permission. In short: the data collector could go to jail and their data will not be admissible in legal or policy proceedings."
http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=18451
Why would they outlaw citizens perfoming local science investigations?
Wyoming is getting ready for the Russians to develop uranium mines in Wyoming, and they don't want any environmentalists to fuck things up:
'Does Russia Really Own 20% Of The US' Uranium Reserves?'
"The saga begins in 2009 when, after roughly a year of negotiations, Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom, acting though its subsidiary and Mining Division platform ARMZ, purchased a nearly 20 percent stake in Toronto-based Uranium One. The following year, ARMZ increased its stake to more than 51 percent – a deal that required Kazakh and Canadian regulatory approvals in addition to clearance by the US Committee on Foreign Investment. In 2013, ARMZ paid roughly $2.8 billion for the remaining 48 percent and full control of Uranium One. Finally, in that same year, Rosatom assumed direct ownership of the company, reorganizing it under Uranium One Holding (U1H) and delisting it from the Toronto stock exchange.
Among U1H’s assets are a handful of US projects and exploration tracts. The most advanced among them are Jab and Antelope, Moore Ranch, and Willow Creek – all of which are in Wyoming, developed under the auspices of Uranium One USA and Uranium One Americas. The Willow Creek project is their only currently active operation."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-07/does-russia-really-own-20-us-uranium-reserves
There's too much money involved to let anyone know if it's killing off Wyoming's kids.
Oh, and this:
The US was against letting the Russians in, until the Canadians/Russians donated large amounts to the Clinton Foundation, whereupon Hillary switched her position to supporting the Russian mining wholeheartedly:
'More Clinton Cronyism: Selling Uranium Interests To Russia While Hillary Was SecState'
"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-23/more-clinton-cronyism-selling-uranium-interests-russia-while-hillary-was-secstate
Yes, it's good to be rich.
Those in power seek to remain in power...
How, exactly do you remediate the aquifer?
his fat ass probably causes earthquakes just walking around
Give Me a Hamm on Five, Hold the Mayo... [/Captain Oveur]
Interesting that the guy could care fucking less about what causes quakes.
Where's the emails on that?
Anyone with the notion that money buys happiness needs only to look at this man's face.
When we go to the other side financial prowess on this earth counts for little or nothing. What does count is love for our fellow man and knowledge we obtained in this realm.
I lost my beloved 19 year old son recently. It took that to wake me up. I wish I had known then what I know now.
Please don't make the same mistake I made.
Tuco
www.afterlifetv.com
Condolences to you and your wife.
It is hell on earth for parents to bury their child.
Squid
"I lost my beloved 19 year old son recently. It took that to wake me up. I wish I had known then what I know now. "
My condolences, Tuco.
May God grant you strength.
Sorry to hear that Tuco. Can't even imagine what that's like. My condolences to you and yours as well.
Thank you Blano and my fellow Zero Hedgers for your condolences. It means a lol to me and God Bless you!
Tuco
Tuco,
I'm terribly sorry for your loss. You're not alone. My son was 18.
After that magnitude of shock, you definitly see thru a different lense.
Isaiah 57:1
http://www.carl-jung.net/synchronicity.html
Condolences for the loss of your son.
A few thoughts
Temper tantrums from children under 5 are expected, not from grown adults.
This sociopath's days are numbered, kudos to whoever leaked the email.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."
-Upton Sinclair
Edit:
And, those people who he suggested be fired, now have lifetime employment, else face a massive and expensive lawsuit.
“Oklahoma state agencies already are taking action to address this issue and protect homeowners,”
They will protect homeowners by passing regulations banning lawsuits (people need to be protected from greedy, troublemaking attorneys and emotional juries), providing for an administrative avenue for damage claims (homeowner must hire expert witnesses to prove a particular earthquake, caused by fracking rather than natural causes, messed up their home and property, and further prove which company caused the fracking earthquake before damages can be assessed against that company. Panel of oil companies nominates the administrative law judges) and further clarifying regulatory standards for waste water injection wells (did the company make a campaign donation?), and creating absolute immunity from damage claims for any company that filed paperwork saying their injection wells met the published standards. Access to company data and to the injection wells themselves legally banned because it is all trade secrets.
Hmmm...yes, fracking does and is the cause of increased earth quake activity.
I have quoted this on ZH before, from the definitive introductory text into earth quakes, "Earthquakes", 5th ed, Dr. Bruce A. Bolt. In his chapter 4, "The causes of Earthquakes", he goes into detail about water and fault slippages. With an excellent section on a US Army munitions disposal site near Denver CO in the early seventies that used high pressure water and deep boreholes to dispose of toxic waste. This cause a huge number of earthquakes around Denver. When the causality was proven, the Army stopped it.
Deep bore hold waste disposal is no different than fracking, same thing. Fracking injects water deep into the crust which tends to lubricate existing faults, this encourages them to slip since the static coefficient of friction has fallen. First year statics really.
Mr. Hamm is a twat for trying to say otherwise.
idiot.
Squid
I'm not so sure Mr Hamm is such a twat. He's just rich and powerful and used to getting his way. No different than any of the other .01% but the real twats are the dumb bastards on here that claim its not a problem or that if someones pool cracked it must have been the ground settling. Or those who say that another mans problems are ok if that means cheap oil for them.
Oligarchs.............. are assholes.
Probably 'sociopaths', is correct psych description. And 'psychopaths' too. A'hole sounds more funner /s
Once Ohio Stopped injecting wastwater into the Precambrian our earthquakes stopped.
harold.hamm@clr(.)com
I bet they will be fired.
Higher education, universities, and "science" is for sale to the highest bidder (often foreign spies and their Democractic collaborators).
One need look no further than climategate to know how deep the scentific bovine excrement runs.
When did all of these highly unusual quakes first begin to appear in different parts of the country? When did fracking begin? Is fracking anywhere near any of these quake areas? Nah - it's all coincidence. Scientists, geologists, etc - pwfffff - what do they know.
The oligarchs are making strong arguments supporting my belief that individuals and corporations should not be able to amass such wealth as to control the system. The world is not run for their exclusive benefit.
Too big to fail needs to be broken up now.
Syngenta and Monsanto merger - no way should this be allowed. in fact Monsanto should be broken up.
Apple should be broken up.
Low inheritence taxes - no way over say 100 million (and index it). 100% forfeiture tax rate aboe 100 million.
Billionaires should not exist.
Gains on stock sales taxed at earned income rates instead of gain rate.
No upper limit income on social security withholoding.
This guy is a poster child for the corruption in our system.
Just roll out the guilotine...This CRIMINAL "Hamm", is humongus!
chef knife won't do
I'd rather see 150 3.0's than 1 7+
We all need clean water to live!
Or else, we won't!
He would have fired Galileo too.
Hamm's just pissed off because he had to write a check for almost a billion dollars to his ex-wife.
http://www.businessinsider.com/harold-hamm-divorce-settlement-2015-4
That's why he needs to keep fracking.
Ol' 3D Harold...
Diabetes, Divorce, Dickhead.
Boren was an excellent Senator.
I always wondered why he left the cesspool of Vichy DC.
Too bad he's on the BOD.
We know how this will end with Queen Mary at the helm.
Her divorce hearings had to be closed.
Tappin the hi-po body guard while Lt. gub. was a lil too seedy to be made public.
Profits - once again - it would appear come before public safety and while money may not be able to buy happiness, it seems to be able to buy pretty much everything else.
Actually research has shown that money can in fact buy happiness, with people who are well off being considerably more happy than poor people.
Yeah, and my guess is the man is concerned about his empire. These statements that eartquakes are directly related to fracking opens a giant can of litigation for the frackers. A truly gimondus can of litigation. every home owner with a crack somewhere on their house, or worse, will be joining the impending class action lawsuits. The Saudi's efforts pale in comparison.
He wants them fired cause he can't burn them at the stake like they used to do in the middle ages.
If you think this is bad, I know a guy who in the past had drilled wells over the Yellowstone area. I am not sure if it was oil or geothermal as he does both but he said that they took tremendous gas hits and it was the scariest holes he drilled over his very long career.
Apparently we are that stupid.
Hopefully they can trigger the super vacano sleeping underneath Yellowstone to achieve immortality in history.
Progressive murderers are coming out of the woodwork here, marking themselves out.
The war on cheap energy is just another front in the progressive war for totalitarian tyranny.
Nobody murders moar than progressives and their lies.
Millions upon millions dead from progressive lies and tyranny and you can see here they froth at the mouth to be able to kill moar. Witness the energy and effort put into their task. The same lies and bullshit "science" that banned DDT and has killed millions as malaria spread around the world again. The same lies and bullshit has turned California into a dustbowl. Save a fish, kill the people.
Eco-murdering assclowns had to admit today the weather is much cooler than normal here. Glo-BULL warming my ass. Take your carbon-death tax and stick it up your ass.
FOAD progressive murdering scum.
Grimaldus
All the fault of the evil progressives eh? Wow!! Your stupidity is simply breathtaking. Carry on sheep boy.
Yes, progressive eco murderers own all that death and much much moar. Just the fact that progressives warm up and get the death machine rollin by killing their own babies should tell ya something.
Nothing bloodier than a progressive.
Grimaldus
We fracked some folks.
This Okie wonders why in the hell that the effects of the wastewater, separate from the earthquakes, are not being discussed? Chemicals that don't require any disclosure to their content. It's not that the ODEQ is turning a blind eye, but that TPTB seem to effortlessly make it so.
I am a strong proponent of wind energy and have worked in that and hold a college degree specific to it. Gov. Fallin seems to massage the topic nicely to make her reelectable. That heifer signed HB 1456 into law (with an emergency clause no less!) that discourages Oklahomans from selling their excess power into the grid with an undefined, yet consistent Customer Fee, supposedly to support the electric company's interconnection and infrastructure. She and her elitist buddies don't want Okies with information as I have to get off the internet-connected communistic socialistic SAG or Smart Ass Grid.
She can still kiss my ass, and so can anyone who purports this State to ultimately be energy independent by it's worker bees.