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Lapdogs, Redux: How The Press Tried To Discredit Seymour Hersh’s Last Bombshell Report
By Mark Ames, first posted in Pando Daily
Lapdogs, Redux: How The Press Tried To Discredit Seymour Hersh’s Bombshell Reporting On CIA Domestic Spying
Seymour Hersh found himself in the middle of an F-5 shitstorm this week after breaking his biggest blockbuster story of the Obama Era, debunking the official heroic White House story about how Navy SEALs took out Osama Bin Laden in a daring, secret nighttime raid in the heart of Pakistan.
According to Hersh’s account, OBL was given up by one of his Pakistani ISI prison wardens—our Pakistaini allies had been holding him captive since 2006, with backing from our Saudi allies, to use for leverage. Hersh’s account calls into question a lot of things, starting with the justification for the massive, expensive, and brutal US GWOT military-intelligence web, which apparently had zilch to do with taking out the most wanted terrorist in the world. All it took, says Hersh, was one sleazy Pakistani ISI turncoat walking into a CIA storefront in Islamabad, handing them the address to Bin Laden’s location, and picking up his $25 million bounty check. About as hi-tech as an episode of Gunsmoke.
The celebrated Navy SEAL helicopter raid and killing of OBL was, according to Hersh, a stage production co-directed by the US military and Pakistan’s intelligence agency, who escorted the SEALs to Bin Laden’s room, pointed a flashlight at the captive, and watched the SEALs unload hot lead on the old cripple, turning him into spaghetti bolognese. (Raising other disturbing questions—such as, why would the White House want to silence forever the one guy with all the names, the most valuable intelligence asset in the world… unless of course that was the whole point of slaughtering him in his Abbottabad cell? Which leads one to wonder why the US wanted to make sure Bin Laden kept his secrets to himself, should one bother wondering.)
Hersh has pissed off some very powerful people and institutions with this story, and that means the inevitable media pushback to discredit his reporting is already underway, with the attacks on Hersh led by Vox Media’s Max Fisher, CNN’s Peter Bergen, and even some on the left like Nation Institute reporter Matthieu Aikins. Yesterday Slate joined the pile-on, running a wildly entertaining, hostile interview with Hersh.
Such attacks by fellow journalists on a Sy Hersh bombshell are nothing new—in fact, he used to relish them, and probably still does. He got the same hostile reaction from his media colleagues when he broke his biggest story of his career: The 1974 exposé of the CIA’s massive, illegal domestic spying program, MH-CHAOS, which targeted tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of Americans, mostly antiwar and leftwing dissidents.
Hersh is better known today for his My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib exposés, but it was his MH-CHAOS scoop, which the New York Times called “the son of Watergate,” that was his most consequential and controversial—from this one sensational exposé the entire intelligence apparatus was nearly taken down. Hersh’s exposés directly led to the famous Church Committee hearings into intelligence abuses, the Rockefeller Commission, and the less famous but more radical Pike Committee hearings in the House, which I wrote about in Pando last year. These hearings not only blew open all sorts of CIA abuses, assassination programs, drug programs and coups, but also massive intelligence failures and boondoggles.
They also revealed to the public for the first time the NSA’s secret programs targeting Americans, including co-opting all the major US telecoms and cable telex companies— AT&T, ITT, Western Union and RCA—in a program “vacuuming” all electronic communications, as well as “Project Minaret,” in which the NSA wiretapped hundreds or perhaps tens of thousands (depending on the source) of antiwar and leftwing American dissidents. Those hearings led briefly to some real reforms and some half-assed reforms in the intelligence community during the Carter years, all of which were undone as soon as Reagan came to power. (I wrote about the history of Hersh’s MH-CHAOS exposé for NSFWCorp here and here.)
That is what effective journalism looks like. But if Hersh’s media peers at the time had their way, none of that would’ve happened. Rather than supporting Hersh, journalists across the spectrum, led by the Washington Post, did everything to discredit and undermine his reporting. “I was reviled,” is how Hersh later put it to UC Davis professor Kathryn Olmsted, author of the excellent “Challenging the Secret Government.”
It was mostly thanks to the CIA director’s own admission in January 1975 that Hersh’s reporting was correct that other journalists backed off, and joined in the adversarial feeding frenzy. Yes: the CIA saved Hersh’s biggest scoop from the lapdog press. Times were strange.
And it was the Washington Post that led the attacks on Hersh’s reporting. In early January 1975, the WaPo ran an editorial, “The CIA’s ‘Illegal Domestic Spying,’” attacking Hersh for relying on anonymous sources—this from the same paper that relied on the most famous anonymous source in history, Deep Throat. The WaPo editorial went on:
“While almost any CIA activity can be fitted under the heading of ‘spying,’ and while CIA activities undertaken on American soil can be called ‘domestic spying,’ it remains to be determined which of these activities has been conducted in ‘violation’ of the agency’s congressional charter or are ‘illegal.’”
The WaPo’s top intelligence reporter, Laurence Stern, took to the Columbia Journalism Review to attack Hersh in an article titled “Exposing the CIA (Again)”—alleging a “dearth of hard facts” in Hersh’s reporting, and a “remarkably febrile succession of follow-ups.” While in the Post, Stern alleged that it wasn’t the CIA that was keeping files on the 9,000 Americans that Hersh orginally reported, but rather the Justice Department—making it therefore legal. Pulitzer Prize winner Jack Anderson followed up in the WaPo confirming Stern’s false allegation, in a piece titled, “CIA’s Files Said to Support Denials”.
The two major news weeklies, Time and Newsweek, piled on Hersh’s reporting too. Newsweek, in a piece headlined “A New CIA furor,” quoted a number of anonymous intelligence sources to discredit and downplay the significance of Hersh’s MH-CHAOS scoop: “There’s something to Hersh’s charges, but a hell of a lot less than he makes of it.” Time’s article, “Supersnoop,” snarked:
“[T]here is a strong likelihood that Hersh’s CIA story is considerably exaggerated and that the Times overplayed it.”
A common line of attack was to call Hersh’s series “overwritten and under-researched.” Gossip in the Washington press corps at the time claimed that WaPo’s famous editor Ben Bradlee denounced Hersh’s stories as “overwritten and under-researched”; and when Hersh was passed over for the Pulitzer that year, to everyone’s surprise, one columnist wrote Hersh didn’t deserve it anyway, calling his MH-CHAOS exposes “overwritten, overplayed, under-researched and under-proven.”
Hersh might’ve been buried by his own press colleagues, who were only interested in discrediting his reporting, if not for CIA director William Colby’s testimony before the Senate in mid-January, 1975. Hersh himself reported it for the Times, which led:
“William E. Colby, Director of Central Intelligence, acknowledged at a Senate hearing today that his agency had infiltrated undercover agents into antiwar and dissident political groups inside the United States as part of a counterintelligence program that led to the accumulation of files on 10,000 American citizens.”
After the CIA chief’s confirmation of Hersh’s story, his media detractors had no choice but to grudgingly walk back their criticism. Quoting again from Kathryn Olmsted’s book, after Colby’s admission,
“The Washington Post reported that Colby’s disclosure had ‘confirmed major elements’ of Hersh’s stories, and Newsweek agreed that Colby’s testimony had substantiated ‘many basic elements of the original story if not all the adjectives.’”
Today we’re seeing some of the same grudging, qualified acceptance of Hersh’s Bin Laden bombshell from the establishment press.
Later in 1975, the great Bill Greider—who was then an editor at the WaPo—summed up the attitude of the press to Hersh’s revelations:
“the press especially tugs back and forth at itself, alternately pursuing the adrenal instincts unleashed by Watergate, the rabid distrust bred by a decade of out-front official lies, then abruptly playing the cozy lapdog.”
My how we’ve grown so much in the 40 years since.
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As the empire collapses the rug gets smaller and the dirt shows up
Conspiracy theory that will probably become fact.
Ol Seymore Hiney may be a fucking fake....
CIAmour Hersh.
Limited hangout.
I don't believe either account of what happened. Just like with Kennedy & 9/11, we will never know the truth.
At this point A LOT is known about both of those events. Some conclusions can be drawn.
Conclusion:
It's a PsyOp, on top of a PsyOp, on top of a PsyOp. It's one huge Circle Jerk of PsyOp amongst these Criminal Sociopaths / Psychpaths.
The free press will do its job: exposing the shortcomings of others while covering for the disasters provoked by US citizenism.
Free Press in the USSA?.... only for those who own one, mi amigo Stooge <g>
IMO his biggest mistake is not giving credit to the original leaker: http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/
This whole thing sounds like he was scammed to bring this up asa a way to distract from the fact that OBL has been dead since 2005-6 but "kept alive" as a bogey man to keep selling terror and enriching the MIC.
Anyone who knowledgeably speaks out against tyranny -- people like Daniel Ellsberg, Ron Paul, Edward Snowden and Seymour Hersch -- they're all liars! Only those sensible individuals who seek the truth behind Dick Cheney's liaison with Bigfoot in his magic UFO understand reality. Together we will convince the American people to throw off their chains and ride Nessie to freedom!
Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911, so who the fuck cares? All these stories are like fighting over whether Ariel was Human or Mermaid.
Given Hersh's Hershenstien-ism and the fact that he has been "breaking bad" since 1974 TELLS that he is an establishment man.
Else, as just one case, see Danny Casolaro and the Octupus or the Gent that had broken the CIA/Drug connection in the San Jose Merc. News.
Dead and Doornail...
So, yeah, Hershey, we know a limited hangout when we see one.
Press...hhhmmmmmmmm........
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/meet-the-press/
ORI - limited hangout has some truth to it by definition. IMO this is total misdirection therefore not limited hangout at all.
The mainstream media pre$$titutes, doing what they're supposed to do.
How would people feel if it was Muslims who owned the major media?
Today, seven Jewish-Americans run the vast majority of major U.S. television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.
* several of the jews have been replaced by other jews....but you get the point.....
Is it just a coinicendnce that jews pretty much own the FED reserve member banks too?
Michaewl Eisner left Disney in 2005, and alot of the rest described above, are not now employed as you assert.
You are discrediting your argument with non facts and that is the point!
Who replaced them?
You are omitting facts, and that is the point!
Ellsberg and Snowden are CIA assets...
Your mother wears IDF boots.
For me, this contrived controversy is just another example of the dialectic imposed upon us by our corporate masters, since Hersh's story also reeks of BS. Two liars, arguing with each other, yielding a synthesis that further deludes the great unwashed.
'Americans' discover the world as it is brought to them by the free press. Any attempt to do the job by themselves would threaten them with facing the real world.
And 'americans' prefer fantasy over all.
Remember the Mel Gibson movie Conspiracy Theory . .the former drugged up CIA asset Jerry tries to explain to lawyer Julia Roberts how the conspiracy is a conspiracy within a conspiracy and the various factions constantly fight one another for power or control .. I think crazy Jerry was onto something. Jerry Fletcher: A good conspiracy is unprovable. I mean, if you can prove it, it means they screwed up somewhere along the line.
That was a great movie.
They always screw up somewhere along the line every conspiracy is provable in the end.
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open." - Luke 8:17
Author Doug Valentine - an expert on the CIA - says that the CIA has two main criteria for an operation: 1) does it have intelligence potential and, 2) can they plausibly deny the operation.
I really wish you hadn't mentioned that movie. How am I supposed to fulfill my need to purchase another copy of "Catcher In The Rye"? If only Amazon already had those drones for instant delivery.
multi-level, two league funny.
thanks. but, i still wonder
if the art of a people cannot
progress along the degenerate
trend when it is speaking to the
fundamental and systemic collapse
of the culture in which it finds
itself? slave art vs. artisan
art paid for by the elite and
oppressor. i think they both
have merit and it is true,
art is not eternal.
This is to stop the Iranian deal, at least. Maybe, to take Hillary, too.
Hillary is a foil; the Clinton dynasty a lie.
The Bushes are the preferred family of the US. Hillary exists to present a scandle ridden talking point to cover the obviously rigged political process which will "elect" the third bush in as many decades.
Yes, of course it is.
Why don't you lie down and have a little rest now while I have someone come in and clean up the drool.
They put out endless stories to confuse the sheep. Hersh is another one owned by the handlers in the chosen state.
Here is some good reporting on this story from New World Next Week.
This OBL thing is just a way to get people to think the last 10 years of police state were worth the sacrifices.
Why? Because 911 part 2 is coming up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adcKrCUE3qk&list=PL76811BED737C18BC&index=1
I don't like "the truth will never be known" argument. That suggests that we not search out the clues and seek more truth. The establishment, when totally caught red handed always turns to their last defense. And that is the argument, well, we may have lied, but "the truth will probably never be known".
Thsi same tactic is now used with flight MH-17. We all knew the rebels shot it down with a BUK, until all evidence showed it was not. The evidence did show signs of an SU-25 gun and missile attack. At that point, the establishment took the new evidence and said "well maybe the BUk story has a hole in it, but now the truth will lkiely never be known".
It is a fall back defense of people caught in their lies. I do not like it, or accept it.
JFK, we know the official story is a lie, but we are told, "don't bother searching, because we now may never know what happened." Nope, that's bullishit, and a fake argument.
Big +
You want the truth to be known? You tear down the whole stinking establishment as it is currently constructed--nothing less than revolution--and then when the dust clears you take every suspect and hold their feet to the fire. The names will come out.
JFK, we know the official story is a lie, but we are told, "don't bother searching, because we now may never know what happened."
JFK was killed by Oswald. There isn't anything to search.
Nobody capable of even a modicum of critical thought would make such a stupid comment ... Surely you just forgot the sarc tag, but then I see 24 down votes to your one up vote, so maybe you are just brain-dead after all.
"Nobody capable of even a modicum of critical thought would make such a stupid comment ... Surely you just forgot the sarc tag, but then I see 24 down votes to your one up vote, so maybe you are just brain-dead after all."
50 years and the JFK conspiracy theorists have ZERO.
The stupid comments are by the conspiracy theorists. Oswald killed JFK.
duplicate
Is that why the CIA coined the term "conspiracy theorist" to discredit those who questioned the CIA account of JFK's death?
You are what is more correctly known as a "Useless Idiot"
" Is that why the CIA coined the term "conspiracy theorist" to discredit those who questioned the CIA account of JFK's death?
You are what is more correctly known as a "Useless Idiot" "
That comment is just too funny. The conspiracy theorists discredited themselves. It was the Corsicans, it was the CIA, it was Johnson, it was the mob, it was the ad infinitum. After 50 years they all have ZERO.
Ha!!
You cannot be serious, Rabbi
A passage in the Instruction of Ptahhotep presents Ma'at as follows:
Jack, the reason I'm leaning towards thinking Hersh is a limited hangout is the somewhat tame nature of the attacks against him. It is almost a pretend retaliation to give credibility.
If what he clams was true, the attackes would be a lot more vicious. They would smear him, destroy his reputation and silence him and his sources. A-la Michael Hastings or Gary Webb.
The reason is aboe ground can only be that he's not colouring outside the lines, yet.
We already know the truth. It is just that TPTB haven't acknowledged the fact that we know....Hersh's and the White House stories are both two" sac' o' lies" as even the NYT in August of 2002 reported that Bin Laden had passed in December of 2001. CIA limited hangout is all Hersh will be remembered as. Mi Lais were a dime a dozen so lets limit that to just one incident...the killing of innocent men women and kids in Syria with gas was a hang out on the rebels by Hersh to hide the fact it was CIA instigated... need more?
"Mi Lais were a dime a dozen"
You do a disservice not only to Hersch but to Hugh Thompson as well. Certainly not a dime a dozen. Why don't you just stick with the Bermuda Triangle thing until you get that all worked out and leave off maligning good men who make a real difference?
"Hugh Thompson landed his helicopter. He placed his two men between the soldiers and the ditch. He instructed his two crew members to open fire on their American comrades if they attempted to kill one more villager. Hugh Thompson went about convincing ten terrified villagers to come out of a small earthen bunker that they were hiding in. He also discovered an 8 year old boy in the ditch. He was alive and was clinging to his dead mother."
https://www.sdvfp.org/who-was-hugh-thompson/
That's right, and Mi Lais WERE NOT a dime a dozen. Were there other atrocities? Of course. It was war, but the wholesale slaughter of innocent villagers was not a common occurance. It was shocking and disgusting, even to combat veterans.....especially to combat veterans.
Re JFK, http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1439193886
AFAIAC, Douglass proves conclusively that Oswald was CIA from the start, his defection to the USSR was fake, he was always CIA but he was no longer trusted, so when they needed a patsy he was set up to take the fall. It was a CIA hit, but clearly the public could not be told that. Douglass does not allege LBJ knew anything before-hand, but in the immediate aftermath there was fear the Russians would be blamed, so the Warren Commission was organized to convince everyone that Oswald was a lone nutcase.
But don't take my word for it. Read the book. Very enlightening, well documented and researched.
"AFAIAC, Douglass proves conclusively that Oswald was CIA from the start, his defection to the USSR was fake, he was always CIA but he was no longer trusted, so when they needed a patsy he was set up to take the fall."
That is an interesting fiction.
When Robert visited Lee in jail, Lee saw his brother looking into his eyes and responded, "you won't find anything in there." That is not something a patsy would have said. Oswald killed JFK.
There is no longer any truth.
There is no longer any truth and there is also no longer any currency.
They go together....
Yup! And then you have to ask yourself; Why are certain elements of alt-media hailing this guy as a whistleblower?
Because time and again he's gone to the effort to dig out the details behind the lies and crimes of government? Yeah, I know that it doesn't rise to the level of discovering the "truth" through astral projection but it is what it is.
He hasn't dug out any lies, Biliy. He's merely front-run the truths that are about to come out, anyway.
There is no more truth in Hersh's version of Bin Laden's death than there is in Obama's.
I can't help but think that this Shemitah year will reveal many things that we dared not think true.
Well that all depends on what the pigeon entrails say.
Nah, Billy. The pigeons can't tell ya' shit- they never laid golden eggs, ever.
If ya' believe that there is no higher power to this realm, and that we are merely the product of random occurence, I don't know what to tell you.
If, on the other hand, you respect Nature, you cannot with a straight face deny that the banksters have killed the goose.
No more golden eggs, period.
Where has Hersch been since 2002? His story is just running interference for the CIA before the REAL story breaks
Funny that an article from Vox Media is mentioned. Ezra Klein, a founder, is a well known and outed White House Stooge. He was the organizer of the Journolist internet group that coordinated articles and editorials to get Obozo elected twice. Credibility is no better now. I could even suspect that his new operation is White House direct funded.
Gotta make the limited hangout seem legit. Keeps people from wondering how a guy on dialysis in BFE managed to live a full decade past 9/11, an operation he publicly denied having anything to do with.
@a growing concern
Well nailed, sir!
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/
An American scholar says the whole Osama bin Laden issue was an “elaborate charade,” adding that the al-Qaeda leader died in December 2001 in Afghanistan, not in May 2011 in Pakistan.
What was OBL's age in 2001?
What is average life expectancy of a man of that age on dialysis?
How does that life expectancy change when the patient has a doctor traveling with him 24 hours a day?
I thought Obama Laden had a kidney transplant, shaved his beard and married Barry Sotero.
Oh wait.... did I get confused again.
Denial .. more than just a river in Egypt.
The doctor that was treating OBL in a Pakistan hospital stated that OBL was showing the signs of late stage kidney disease and failure in November of 2001 so I guess docs are not Gods after all as you suppose.
Then I guess it was convenient that he was in the country with the 4th highest organ donor rate in the world...
He did not have a dialysis machine in the cave.
What cave?
It was just a matter of time before the Official Story was rung out... But will it matter in today's USA? Probably not. Business as usual.
The whole establishment lined up against him and he still wedgies them, they might break out the kryptonite nail guns.
Unless he happens to be a big part of the fucking hoax
He is. He's done dirty work for the establishment more than once. Here's an example. Oh, it was just an accident! Uh huh...
http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/books/seymour.hersh.shootdown.flight.kal...
And just like ^Jack Burton^said;
"Precisely what happened inside the Soviet Air Defense Force will probably never be known"
If you're not old enough to remember, Larry McDonald was a rabid anti-Communist. What Newtie (establishment puppet) pretended to be, after he got Larry's seat.
They jumped on Hersh right away, from Obama on down, leading me to believe there is some truth to Hersh's account.
That and so many other fishy things about the so called murder of whoever it was they killed, if they killed anyone.
They lied too many times and got caught, why should now be different.
This "version" of the story dates to 2011.
Hersh's friend (& a former director of the ISI) have been pushing this same story since February.
There was a new ISI head installed late last year (lots of allegations of ISI turf wars behind the riots in Pakistan before the last ISI head was sacked)- shortly before this version of OBL's death resurfaced.
The Exceptional 'Murican Centralism around here gets a bit tiring.
cherry picker yes yes
you speak fine words my friend
yes yes
semen hertz photo above is that hand gesture masonic?
When Israel Is Mighty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSy6ENVAJlY
Hersh pisses me off becasue he's a Jew fag who likely doesn't even own a gun.
Jew media vs Jew Seymour Butts? Oooooo, this is getting serious, I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of it. Stay tuned for next week's "reality" episode of Goyim Diversion.
It's like pro wresting except they're at the club laughing at your dumb face right now.
"they're at the club" .... "and you ain't in it"
(h/t GC)
the "press" is a figment of the imagination; always has been. however, the sheepulace think somehow it's their savior. must be the first thing to go in the "redo".
no real opposition to the main narrative,
just more controlled opposition.
The MIC makes Nero look amatuerish.
Hersh's story is a sign that the upper middle class is starting to get it. Academia is also getting it. Everyone's lives are at stake because of the NWO. Arrest them.
Hersh is just another head of the same coin.
I think this is Obama is going out in 2016 so the press, MIC and elites try to get BS stories out so the little people think we have a chance. Meanwhile, open borders, looting everything they can, moar police state, more lies, more defense contracts for MIC. What a joke.
Not enough in the kitty to keep stum the growing list of USSA vice.
Says , . . Yesterday Slate joined the pile-on and should read pile-of . . .
Today's ISIS leader's killing is just a replay of the Osama killing with Delta replacing Seals and with Sayyaf replacing Osama. Same script, same bi-partisan praise, same nothing accomplished. Did Osama's "death" end terror? Will Sayyaf's death end terror? Is Obama a great militarily leader, again this time?
This is theater for the gullible. Obama's military successes are full of sound and fury signifying failure. Everything the Ministry of Truth's MSM says is a lie, presented as choreographed theater.
Just call it Operation Bloated Defense Budget. That's why they do all the charades.
bomb shell A
as in bombs
and shells
as in war A
as in fog A
as in cia A
they killed seal team 6 you nose
would they dare to kill a pull it sir
prize winner they own.
a tool of the cia and mossad
full kosher paper work.
this limited hang out sy operation is becoming a bore.
rabbi v rabbi micro cock dispute.
these folks are tight everything else is bread and circus for the goy
you scum are food cattle
it is written cast in the talmud
so it must be so.
spock died laughing at you fools
imagine that the bloke with the saturn finger hand gesture of mason
laughing choking up to the point of death
spock off the telly
funny old cube
world
they cancer dosed edward w said and let saymore hershey and gnome chumpski live
says it all
Bravo
Was the Zionist lying in the noiZ-media about CIA-Obama's lies, or is the noiZ-media lying about the Zionist's accusations?
Answer: It is all lies--theater to be exact.
This Hersh "obfuscation and division" operation is a clear, and laughable, example of how they lie even when they tell the truth.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
"Don't believe the hype. It's Zionist tripe."
So the movie Zero Dark Thirty was fiction?
/sarc
So was Schindler's List. /no sarc
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Still one of my favorite movies. Great performances, production and score. Ironically the film dwells on the labor that the prisoners were required to perform in the LABOR CAMP.
it was co-written by Brian Williams
What we have here is liars, calling other liars, liars.......
Ain't that the truth.
Anyone that requires an ounce of salt, (AKA being human) knows that this guy is telling "his" truth.
I think this guys depiction of "truth" is probably more accurate than a bunch of indoctrinated children pouring coolant over .gov servers in Utah.
~My 2cents worth~
his trut
the fella is drownin in trut
what trut does he say of the seal team 6 chopper down
no sir that the elephant in der room
that and the fact obl was a fiction sy operation.
a real face that died in 2001-2
yes sir robert fisk and sy hershey get paid by mega corpse to rove ing around
alives now on full cash money per diems interviewing folks that cia pentagon trillion dollar orgs cannot find.
donte talk to me of jewish trut it a lie
The corporate media, all six mega corporations that bring us our newz are all instruments of the ZWO.
They never tell the truth about anything.
Ever.
They're too busy guiding the idiocracy for our overlords.
everything is phony.
.
"..IT WAS HIM
That is telling us that the defendant, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is guilty as presumed. But notice who is
saying that. It is Tsarnaev's own defense attorney, Judy Clarke, in her opening statement. Don't you
find it a little odd that Tsarnaev's attorney is admitting he is guilty in her opening statement? Do you
really think the legal system works that way? I will tell you a secret: all lawyers and law students
know this trial is fake, and they know because they know that real trials don't work like this. Our legal
system is an adversarial system, where the two attorneys argue opposite sides. In a criminal trial, the
prosecuting attorney is hired to argue the side of the State and the defense attorney is hired to argue the
side of the defendant. The defense attorney must argue for a not guilty finding, even if he or she knows
the defendant is guilty. That is the process. If both attorneys are arguing for a guilty verdict, then the
trial is pointless. You might as well have a summary finding by the judge. But it isn't done that way.
In our system, the accused has a right to a trial and a right to an attorney. As part of that right, the
accused has a right to have an attorney argue in his favor. If the defense attorney argues he is guilty,
his rights have just been violated. In a real trial, as soon as Tsarnaev's attorney said, “it was him,” the
judge would have declared a mistrial, and the defense attorney would have been dismissed, fined, and
possibly disbarred. Since none of that happened, we know this trial is fake. It is another Hollywood
trial, like the Manson trial, the Hearst trial, the Chicago 8 trials, the Unabomber trial, and hundreds of
other high-profile trials. " .. m.m.
http://mileswmathis.com/boston2.pdf
http://173.236.29.251/IMAGES/tsarnaevreasonabledoubt.jpg
Funfacts, those pesky knapsacks....so funny.
That and the stupid "poof bomb"....more of a belch than a real bomb.
And that guy they carted away in a wheel chair with 1/2 a leg and not a dribble of blood. Too funny.
and you are surprised,,,,, why?
no surprise, just saying.
blindman
That was a great read. thanks
i must give credit to wb7 for reinvigorating
my interest in miles mathis and his work.
i haven't, but recently, referred to his
published writing. it seems he is a rare genius
among the others. ....
Not really. Seems he is lost in his own world and would be better off actually studying the things he writes about. To me he is just making stuff up as he goes.
he calls those pieces opinion pieces. seems fair
enough.
http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html
Lawyers, they don't call then "Liar's for Hire" for nuthin'.
what? you expected exactly what.....a fair trial? Stalin, Hitler and Churchill would have been proud to have called this operation from start to execution their own
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. This was a show trial, similar to what the Soviet Union had in the 1930's. And the FBI murdered his friend in secrecy in Florida.
Mathis shines a light on the cockroaches
I don't always direct major terrorist groups, but when I do I tend to chill out right next a country's military academy because nobody would ever look there.
Sincerely,
Zero/ Bin Laden
Perhaps he wanted to one-up the maestro - John D. "I can see West Point from my house" Rockefeller.
Market thoughts:
http://thetradingcrucible.blogspot.com/
Question is - IF Bin Laden did not die of renal failure in ~2001-2003 (and it is a very big IF - surviving 8 years beyond the median survival rate of this disease ) - just who came up with a cure (or who provided him with a kidney transplant? (not likely, but possible)) to keep him alive (lol) and why do we not have this cure for better people than Bin Laden?
As you can figure out, both stories are most likely fake, both the WH's and Hersh's.
The most plausible picture, is that Bin Laden was as dead as a doornail since early 2000s.
He died at least once in a Tora Bora bombing raid in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
The establishment said, oops, we won't be able to get the opium fields up and running if we stop now. So, he was quietly resurrected.
Lots of "terror leadership" died and were resurrected when needed.
Some several times. Wish I had the links handy....
Fucking Lazarus Hajis. It's....like magic.
Hahahahah
The bullshitting MSM discrediting a bullshitting journalist in order to bullshit the rest of us into believing,,, wait for it,,,, bullshit!
Rejected, I'd like to up arrow a few hundred times. Very well stated.
The only solution is to get long bath tissue.
What Hersh was commissioned to do was to put out a story to pre-empt another story about to hit the net from a rival intelligence service.
All the Hersh story has to do is approximate whatever is about to pop from overseas. That's it.
Um, "How The Press Tried To Discredit Seymour Hersh’s Last Bombshell Report"
Two shits not given. Sorry. As others have pointed out, it's yet another limited hangout. Because arguing for or against Hersh puts you on the same coordinate. Sorry PTB, you'll have to do better.
Sitting watching the reports that evening I sensed something was amiss. Then they showed Obama in his war room with all his sidekicks. At that point I knew it was a giant Production. Then to watch potus deliver his victory speech and use the word "I" countless times made me want to puke. Unbelievable that so many people believe this packaged garbage. I also lost a lot of paper money that evenig.
And, remember, Osama and Obama rhyme. Both brought to you by the Political Theater Playhouse of Washington DC, with a grant, from their sponsors at the NWO.
You know really you pissed someone off when Vox Media discredits you...
being found guilty of war crimes
in an international court, that must really
suck. no?
moving on ....
I've noticed how every time the subject of Greek reparations from the Nazis comes up the press are all over it, mostly negatively saying how it's history and it's time to move on etc (and perhaps rightly so). But perhaps also they don't want the focus to shift away from the holocaust for which there will never be a time to move on from.
Haha. You ain't gonna out-Jew us, you filthy Greeks!
Whether or not this guys story is true..... right from the get go I thought something seemed fishy about the whole narrative. No pictures of anything, no body, no video, nothing... just a "trust us". Like a lot of things I suspect when Barry finally leaves the White House tons of shit will start leaking out.
Do you think that might include a Kenyan birth certificate? And how will we reconcile 8 years of Federal laws signed by an illegal alien?
With about 8 miles of high quality fucking rope, that's how.
"I suspect when Barry finally leaves the White House tons of shit will start leaking out."
You think he's leaving?
Isn't Jade Helm being set up for Martial Law, which will keep him IN the House?
The last time something like this happened, was 1980 & 1990 in USSR, to stop people rioting when their Economy collapsed?
Amazing how this story was drowned out despite emrging from a reputed journalist
The purpose of the original story was to get Obama reelected. Hersh may have been fed disinformation in his story but he may believe what he was told. I find it had to believe members of the US military would just start tossing OBL's body parts out of a helicopter over the Hindu Kush. In fact, if you are flying from Abottabbad to Afghanistan you would be flying away from the Hindu Kush.
The thing is....
They just simply suck at this whole psy op shit, it's transparent...fucking childish shoddy crap. Worse than network teevee plot lines.
Totally gay. Even the false flag faggotry don't fly anymore. I called this shit from the get go. I called seal 6 loose ends being burnt the second I heard it.
Question is....are the mighty seals going to get them some payback from these cunts?
Guess we will see. No easy day, they love to say. Walk it like you talk it.
And what of this asshole doing the media circus circuit saying he's the one that greased Tim Ostman Bin Whothefuckever? Who DID this liar kill, exactly?
One thing I know, sure as shit.
The PTB are looking despairate and sloppy.
Those 2002-2010 'Videos' from Fake-Beard Bin Laden where just a scream, they were so ludicrous!
Bitter Lake (2015) - Adam Curtis Documentary
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hdcji
Hersh's article is a limited hangout, where the CIA admits to a small crime rather than exposing the whole situation to the daylight.
You are still dancing to the music...
People such as Hersh, Snowden, and Assange who shine light on those that spy upon and villify the very people they're paid and take an oath to protect are made to be enemies of the state. Anyone who isn't fed up with what's going on at the highest levels of this government are either brain dead or really not interested in what happens to this country and it's people.
Interesting Facts
VOX.com has one of the slowest website on the internet. In fact, 81% of all sites are faster. Vox has spent a zillion hours getting thousands of links, but the average visitor spends less than 3 minutes on the site. If this is the best the democrats can do they are in trouble.
Peter Berge is attacking Hersch because his book Manhunt(Laden) has been total discredited. Interesting enough, one of Amazons 2013 negative reviews calls out the fact that Berge put way to much trust in his sources. So Team Obama spoonfeed the phony story, which he ate it up.
Alkins is now writing stories for the Rolling Stone. So he is nothing...
Vox has direct connections w/ Hillary The Rodan and her lizard pedophiliac life partner.
My gut says Hersh is legit. We need someone with the right connections to step up to the plate and fund a "Hersh Reporting Foundation" to insure that reporters who choose to take on the establishment can continue their pursuits.
About that feeling in your gut, you really need to stop the spicy shit. Hirsch is as legitimate as a fake fucker from the CIA can be.
If this dude was for real he would've had a very deadly accident by now... and even if he is legit then his story will get burried under kardashian anus or some other anus, very soon.
I do not know what Herdh is playing at, but OBL died in Dec 2001.
I agree with you that if Hersh was for real, he would be dead.
There's one set of rules for the little people, and there are other sets of rules for do playaz. Getting Leona Helmsley'd is the exception to the rule.
Even if that decision were made, it would not be implemented now.
If Hersh has a hot tub accident in the coming weeks, it because the other side (which is is apparently invisible when one wears a tinfoil hat) is trying to lend credence to their version of events.
Can't wait for the data dump in combination with Kim Dotcom. Patience is a virtue.
OBL was rescued. If you need him dead you could just drone/ cruise missle the site. You only needed helicopters to rescue someone.
So, we have had almost a week of critics carping on whatever details that Hersh got wrong. There have also been a few supporters gamely pointing out what Obama got wrong years ago, when he should have known better. And what happens?
We get a new deep penetration raid by our nation's super heroes!
Meanwhile, ISIS also took all of Ramadi!
What a coincidence!
Distracted anyone?
This is a guy that even many so-called "insiders" knew nothing about. We had to kill the "moneyman" but we got his wife. Are we going to learn what valuable intelligence we got from her "cooperation" with the interrogators? have we dealt another deadly blow to the Islamic extremists?
Distracted!! Ain't that a fact.
OBL died in Dec 2001, but is still 'alive' to make it NEVER possible to get to the bottom of 911.
I'd be impressed with Hersh if he investigated the real perps of 911, but then he would be dead and not walking on the safe ground of yet another shoddy story.