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DEA Strikes Again: Seize Man's Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.
From the Albuquerque Journal article: DEA to Traveler: Thanks, I’ll Take That Cash
In the “land of the free” you might be innocent until proven guilty, but your assets aren’t.
In one of the most uncivilized and preposterous loopholes in America, federal agents are allowed to steal citizens’ assets; cars, cash, even homes, based on suspicion alone. I’ve covered this barbaric and backward practice on many occasions, but here’s a quick refresher from the first post I wrote on the subject in 2013, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas:
In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.
One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.
Fortunately, civil asset forfeiture became a major issue last year, and while many states are moving to halt or crack down on the practice, this apparently doesn’t stop federal agents from continuing to ruin people’s lives. In today’s post, the culprits are DEA agents, recently best known for using drug cartel and taxpayer money to pay for orgies with prostitutes, as well as wrongfully locking up a California student for days without food and water until he had to drink his own urine to survive.
If those stories weren’t sufficient to convince you that the war on drugs is a useless fraud, perhaps the following will. From the Albuquerque Journal:
Maybe he should have taken traveler’s checks.
But it’s too late for that now. All the money – $16,000 in cash – that Joseph Rivers said he had saved and relatives had given him to launch his dream in Hollywood is gone, seized during his trip out West not by thieves but by Drug Enforcement Administration agents during a stop at the Amtrak train station in Albuquerque.
An incident some might argue is still theft, just with the government’s blessing.
Rivers, 22, wasn’t detained and has not been charged with any crime since his money was taken last month.
That doesn’t matter. Under a federal law enforcement tool called civil asset forfeiture, he need never be arrested or convicted of a crime for the government to take away his cash, cars or property – and keep it.
Agencies like the DEA can confiscate money or property if they have a hunch, a suspicion, a notion that maybe, possibly, perhaps the items are connected with narcotics. Or something else illegal.
The most amazing part is that any society can be stupid and passive enough to allow this policy to persist.
Or maybe the fact that the person holding a bunch of cash is a young black man is good enough.
It happened, Rivers said, to him on April 15 as he was traveling on Amtrak from Dearborn, Mich., near his hometown of Romulus, Mich., to Los Angeles to fulfill his dream of making a music video. Rivers, in an email, said he had saved his money for years, and his mother and other relatives scraped together the rest of the $16,000.
Rivers said he carried his savings in cash because he has had problems in the past with taking out large sums of money from out-of-state banks.
A DEA agent boarded the train at the Albuquerque Amtrak station and began asking various passengers, including Rivers, where they were going and why. When Rivers replied that he was headed to LA to make a music video, the agent asked to search his bags. Rivers complied.
Rivers was the only passenger singled out for a search by DEA agents – and the only black person on his portion of the train, Pancer said.
Rivers was left penniless, his dream deferred.
Other travelers had witnessed what happened. One of them, a New Mexico man I’ve written about before but who asked that I not mention his name, provided a way for Rivers to get home, contacted attorneys – and me.
Sean Waite, the agent in charge for the DEA in Albuquerque, said he could not comment on the Rivers case because it is ongoing. He disputed allegations that Rivers was targeted because of his race.
Waite said that in general DEA agents look for “indicators” such as whether the person bought an expensive one-way ticket with cash, if the person is traveling from or to a city known as a hot spot for drug activity, if the person’s story has inconsistencies or if the large sums of money found could have been transported by more conventional means.
“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Waite said. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”
Again, what kind of idiotic civilization conducts its business like this?
DEA agents may choose to ask the person whether his or her possessions can be searched in what is called a “consensual encounter.” If the subject refuses, the bags – but not the person – can be held until a search warrant is obtained, he said.
Waite said that he could not provide exact figures on how often seizures occur in Albuquerque but that last week the DEA had five “consensual encounters” that resulted in seizures.
Whatever is seized is held during an internal administrative process (read: not public) while a case is made to connect the property to narcotics. Subjects can file a claim to have the items returned – and then they wait, sometimes forever.
This is not what freedom looks like.
While travelers like Rivers still have to worry about DEA agents, state and local law enforcement in New Mexico no longer has these virtually unlimited seizure powers. Five days before Rivers’ encounter in Albuquerque, Gov. Susana Martinez signed into law a bill that bars state and local law enforcement from seizing money or property under civil asset forfeiture. The law takes effect in July.
But the new state law won’t supersede the federal law, meaning federal agencies such as the DEA are still free to take your cash on arguably the flimsiest of legal grounds.
Drugs are everywhere. The “war on drugs” has been a monumental failure that has achieved absolutely nothing other than erode the civil liberties of average Americans, and provide an efficient avenue for police and federal agent to steal citizens’ hard earned assets with no due process. It’s long past time to put an end to the war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture and the DEA.
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Best of all. If you're a PRAETORIAN.
YOU COULD WIN A SHIPLOAD OF MONEY!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7vQbjn3mR8
Is it me or does the "consensual encounter" not sound very consensual?
Let us search your bag or we'll take it is not much of a choice either.
I guess I shouldn't be too hard on the DEA. They're just doing their jobs and keeping us safe.
I'm not lazy...but when you publish an article like this one....it would be nice to also attach email address and phone numbers that we can call to complain to the officials about this practice.
"it would be nice to also attach email address and phone numbers"
I got a number for you to call and complain, but the guy on the other end is deaf and has alzheimer's.
Agencies like the DEA can confiscate money or property if they have a hunch, a suspicion, a notion.....an inkling, an intuition, a Tarot reading, a subliminal message,...
Ever been in a DUI checkpoint? A friend of mine refused to comply. He was taken to jail and processed. His vehicle was compounded. He was administred a blood test, not for exhibiting any suspicious behavior, but for refusing to cooperate when he was stopped. He spent the night in jail until he could make bail through a bail bondsman. Charges were never filed and he was vindicated. He was also out about $800 between the impound fee and the cost for the bail bonds.
Innocent until proven guilty. Land of the free. LOL, the guy on the train had no choice, whether anyone thinks he did or not.
You'd think a website concerned about property seizure would have one article about the banks seizing houses with money they don't have, since all money is created as debt with interest by the banks. Not the government since the the Fed has nothing to do with the government.
WTF is Tyler talking about with this government "central planning" shit?
https://youtu.be/Y1ZxPxSD2Yo
Why do you keep posting the same comments and the same link? Trying to promote your site?
when i read this a while back my first thought was the bank ratted him out. the agents knew what they were looking for before they went on the train. and then again, this could be a false flag to scare the goyem cashless....
As a native born New Mexican, I am once again disgusted with LE behavior, ABQ cops killing homeless guys and DEA agents stealing money. But in Mississippi this is what LE does with their loot:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/18/mississippi-citys-41-million-police-station-funded-by-civil-forfeiture/?intcmp=latestnews
The sites information has evolved with the times. Property seizure is a topic that should be known. Everyone knows and understands what you are saying. And it has been discussed time and time again.
And the Fed has everything to do with the Government. They operate with the blessing of the Government. They give it its current power (obviously not the way it was intended or designed).
Perhaps you should read a bit of history from places in the world that have experimented with central planning. It will become clear why everyone here is talking about this "central planning shit." (you got the shit part right)
The war on drugs is a shake down run by greedy incompetents. I walked across the Mexican/US border years ago w/o declaring some meds purchased by family there. The thieves held us for about 4 hours, threatened to search my rental car and fined me $250. They said they were holding me in order to get a drug charge on me, I think they were actually holding out for more cash, thinking that I'd give in and offer more to be let go. I wasn't in any hurry, so that didn't happen. This, despite the meds NOT being controlled narcotics. We went around and round on that simple point. The more we talked, the madder THEY got. They had nothing and refused to admit it! They said they were gonna keep the meds. Then, apparently because the meds weren't the usual 'recreational' type, they inexplicably placed them back in the bag! They kept the $250 cash, which was most of the cash I had on me. They probably put it in their own pockets. I have yet to be shaken down by Mexican border guards.
Federal Reserve Notes aren't money, they are legal tender debt instruments. All the "value" that these irredeemable promises to pay represent was de-facto seized years ago. Technically, you aren't losing anything of value if Federal Agents seize your Notes, although in the world of reality-by-democracy shared-consciousness illusion that we occupy, they do represent perceived value. So what you are losing is the illusion of value, just a little bit earlier than everyone else will.
Good point. This lost currency represents what we used to call "tuition". Hope he's a graduate who has now learned his lesson well, with an advanced degree in Never Trust Any Government.
OK. Give me all of your FRN's then, since you seem to be free from the illusion.
Another example of why the colonists and founding fathers distrusted federal police.
So when they take your $16,000 you will just shrug and say it was an illusion? Laugh and not feel anything?
I want the chance to make the run to spend those damn illusions before the whole house of cards falls, thank you.
<<I want the chance to make the run to spend those damn illusions before the whole house of cards falls, thank you.>>
Meanwhile they tell us the big danger is deflation!
"to launch his dream in Hollywood"
They did the guy a fucking favor!
I suspect that it's more complicated. Either people like this are Cashish Mules for drug lords/cartels, that have been made, or a mini false flag that is part of the larger PsyOp campaign, to dissuade people from carrying large amounts of cash.
I predict that Mules, Druglords and Taxevaders will simply adapt in this escalating arms race of transportating and investing cash, and that Sheeple will be scared into using plastic and checks.
BTW, most honest plus intelligent people will carry some cash, and use checks and wire transfer for larger amounts. Stupid is as stupid does.
Mr Kirk, you are the central bankers wet dream. Honest people don't ever carry cash. It tells me you have likely never truly been without money. You always had your parents, or grandparents money to back you up. You never bought a used car or motorcycle from an individual for cash, you never went to an estate sale, you never went to a gun show. You have likely never gambled all you have and moved to a new place and not had a checking account(you may think you did but from your statement I know that you had some money from mama and daddy in your front pocket and their credit card in your back pocket).
And how much do you owe on that prestige building vehicle sitting in the driveway. I hope you don't have to fight too hard for the inheritance.
Have to agree. Kirk just lost a lot of credibility with that comment.
I would much rather weigh Kirk on the body of his comments. I still think he is a swell guy.
That was WAY out of character. I've disagreed with him before but on the whole he is on the correct side of the highway so to speak.
$1 says hacked account.
Edit: Yeah, $1 isn't much but aint any of us gonna pay up anyway so pfft.
Agree with both of you, the comment surprised me.
"so when they take your $16,000"
Always get every name, and as much relevant documentation as possible.
One would then, directly or indirectly, track the directly-involved traitor(s) to something that each traitor cares about with a casually assessed value >= $160K (10:1 payback rule, whether good/bad payback, is a very good rule). Whatever that thing is, the victim should make certain that the traitor(s) lost that w/o any chance of ever regaining it, e.g., via insurance claims, so houses and cars are not the best targets.
The above is for conjecture purposes only: how I believe General Marion would have played this game, and is based on his historical tactics and strategies during the revolution.
The US courts are always the preferred recourse, but court is not an option in asset forfeiture cases where no charges were filed: this is a clear breech of the 4th Amendment by domestic enemies of the United States. The US Supreme Court has upheld this breech, thus declaring themselves in league with enemies.
Congress granted themselves immunity to civil asset forfeiture, btw. So, being elected to Congress is the only legal way to retain your 4th Amendment rights.
Beyond minimal food and shelter to survive, everything else has only perceived value. At least FRNs can pay the property tax bill.
Banzai.
No argument here. But reality at the moment says otherwise.
A little experiment. Give me all your paper money, since they are worthless. ;-P
The fact that someone has to trade time/labor for them, sadly provides some level of value to the person who earned them.
Um, I believe the story goes that the emperor has clothes until the majority believe otherwise.......reality is absolutely irrelevant.
If he killed them all and I was on the jury, I would vote to acquit
That's the only thing that will stop it. Then, they will try to eliminate juries.
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do... www.jobs-review.com
Don't carry that $9500 around in cash!
Bitch, please...
The treatment of blacks in AmerKKKa is truly shameful. American blacks should leave and go live in one of the glorious, peaceful, advanced 1st world black majority countries where they can be free of racism.
Maybe they should emigrate to NeverWasAndNeverWillBeLandia.
This story is nonsense. So a young black man with no possible legal explanation for how he came up with $16K cash (he's not an athlete or rapper so....) is traveling through a part of the country largely devoid of blacks and inhospitable towards them.
He was doing a drug deal. Good job DEA.
Prove it.
If I was 22 and had $16,000 that anyone tried to take either they or I would be dead. This needs to start happening.
The government is now what the Mob was 100 years ago. The 3 letter FED agencies put organized crime out of business, only to take over their racket.
The right to bear arms so if a government became corrupt the people could take it back.
Those involved with the revolution which started this country knew well about how corrupt the government could become.
<<The 3 letter FED agencies put organized crime out of business, only to take over their racket.>>
Small correction: Organised crime took over 3-letter federal agencies, and converted them into a racket.
This is the best reason I can think of, why these regulatory agencies should not exist in the first place. When they are first set up, it may be with good intentions and with upstanding or even admirable citizens running them. But power corrupts, and it only takes one criminal to infiltrate, let in their friends, and slowly work their way to the top, before your culture is doomed. (ref. POTUS)
The question is not how much good the regulatory agencies can do. The question is how much evil they can do, WHEN (not if) someone 'bad' is at the helm.
For this reason, most of what we call 'government' should not exist.
Seems that anything growing too large becomes corrupt. It mirrors nature. The secret is we need to keep everything small, from governments to unions to companies to banks. Outlaw corporations altogether, keep government small where the people have the power to keep a real eye on things to keep the system honest. Small things interconnected are strong, if one part falls, it does not have the power to bring down the rest.
It starts out corrupt.
Giving a gang of thugs a monopoly on violence to protect you from a gang of thugs is silly.
It is the only way remaining.
Or he could stop by a local bank and make a large withdrawal...like Bonnie and Clyde.
Just because it's not reported, doesn't mean it's not happening.
“It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”
"....nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
please discuss.
The Constitution is just a gaddamned piece of paper.
No it's not, it's vellum.
There, discussed.
Cops and robbers...
The cops are the ones who say, "The Constitution is just a gaddamned piece of paper." while they are kicking your ass and stealing from you.
With robbers there is no presumption of rights or a constitution--everyone knows where they stand with robbers.
A sig on /.: "The Constitution is not perfect, but it is better than what we have now.:
;-D
The "Constitution" is indeed just an old piece of Parchment.
Its validity is maintained ONLY by the Will, Resolve and Actions of a People and its leaders.
The Sheeple keep making the same false assumption that it will remain so, even if generation after generation keeps getting more and more complacent, lazy and cowardly. And this is the mistake the Founders made (false or overlooked assumptions).
But that's what happens when you let generation after generation of semi-literate idiots, fools, crooks, parasites and scum into your land. But fret not little sheep, keep turning the other cheek, keep calm and remain nice & docile... your 'reward' awaits you.
That paper was never meant to give us rights, it simply lists the ones we are born with.
“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”
Lysander Spooner
Besides the constitution is not a binding contract on any party.
Which sadly doesnt include everything it should. But its better than what we are working with.
"But that's what happens when you let generation after generation of semi-literate idiots, fools, crooks, parasites and scum into your land."
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Times sure have changed.
+3000
According to the TV show Jeopardy, the original Constitution was written on paper made from hemp.
When that was written blacks were property. The basis of the American system assumed the nation would be full of white civilized Christians who are capable of living in peace and behaving largely as civilized men. No nation with as many blacks as there are in America has EVER been peaceful. They always devolve into violent states of near anarchy with tribal warfare the rule of the day. Whatever law and order there is comes from the brutal hand of a dictator and his enforcers.
You're living in the past. The game has changed.
Hey when you're broke and you make the laws anything goes........just beware the peasants when they finally decide to storm the castle.
Crying about the unfairness of civil asset forfeiture is like waving your fist at a volcano. The issue has much more to do with phsyop conditioning I.e making people afraid to hold cash I order to prevent hoarding and destabilysing the fractional reserve rehypothication scam. The LEOs are just patsys for theit fascist rulers.
<<phsyop conditioning I.e making people afraid to hold cash I order to prevent hoarding and destabilysing the fractional reserve rehypothication scam.>>
Yup. That's the real reason this practice is not stopped by those who are so very concerned for their constituencies. The federal 'cops' are first line of attack on the war on cash. (And on any other portable REAL assets.)
This is what happens when you're carrying anything of value just in your pockets. Also consider what happens if you're caught with anything of value in your car.
You can travel. Just don't get caught carrying anything of real value en route...!!
I don't how much of that cash they put in their own pockets. The victim claims $16,000. They may keep half and say he's lying. The bosses will back them up.
Crying about the unfairness of civil asset forfeiture is like waving your fist at a volcano. The issue has much more to do with phsyop conditioning I.e making people afraid to hold cash I order to prevent hoarding and destabilysing the fractional reserve rehypothication scam. The LEOs are just patsys for theit fascist rulers.
"Teller, I'm here to make a withdrawl..."
HAL, give me 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999. Here are the ACH codes... don't post until 2007.
Rivers should be charged with being a stupid f_ck. And he probably voted for it. Obviously not a ZH reader.
That'll teach him! 'Hollywood dream' my ass! Dumb bastard deserved it, it was just a matter of time before Somebody took all his money anyway.. He coulda bought a used truck and a pressure washer off Craigslist and really made some jack!
There is nothing civil about being robbed by government goons. There is nothing civil about the government making laws to rob and steal from us. Let the revolt begin.
So, has the civil war started yet? Looks to me as though it has, albeit undeclared.
Corrupt, criminal, predatory government at war with it's citizens.
They put one of your guys in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. We've only just begun . . .
I bet he's an illegal and his real name is 'Jose' ...he made all that cash money mowing...Thumbs up DEA!
You either need a sarc tag or a lobotomy.
Lots of guilty money sloshing around in D.C......
Seize those assets, NOW! I am suspicious, aren't you?
It’s that the cash is presumed to be guilty” this is a war to abolish cash - nothing more, and civial asset forfeiture was one step
"All of your ones and zeros are belong to us...." (how future confiscations will go down)
If we abolished cash, how would we pay off the warlords and conduct a proper looting of the treasury during the perpetual wars?
Quite possibly longer-term, but my suspicion is that this activity (published activity, too), has the short-term goal of disincentivising the storage, and carrying, of any more than insignificant amounts of cash - amounts that would not pose a serious problem should they be "confiscated".
In view of the bigger picture, with significant unrest being reported of late, and ongoing problems in many States (e.g. California), it might be very "convenient" to move the collective mindset from a cash, to a cashless society, for a number of reasons, e.g. (but certainly not limited to) -
1. Ease of "sequestration" of account contents should problems arise - in the guise of "a one-off tax to help your Fellow Americans in this time of unexpected crisis" or similar;
2. Knowledge of what you buy, where you buy it (and in what quantities), and at what times you tend to shop (physical retail, and on-line retail) - helps local / State / Fed "Law" enforcement build up a useful picture of who has what.
3. Ease of movement restriction in times of crisis - if you are entirely dependent on credit / debit cards for purchases (fuel, passes, tolls, travel tickets), the convenience of a "one click" ability to "cancel" the credit / debit card details of wide swathes of population will be very attractive, should "The Government" decide that keeping "everyone" in the same place would be the solution of choice.
Whilst the determined will always at least try to work around the loss of independence / purchasing anonymity, the masses (>> 95% of the population) either cannot, or are not prepared to accept the significant disadvantages. The urban majority will not even have spare fuel for their vehicles, so they may be the first to be trapped.
"Tin-foil Hat" ravings, or maybe not? In uncertain times, it makes sense to broaden options, not restrict them.
Abolish cash and barter will spring up like mushrooms. It's a huge mistake to train the slaves to trade 'off the plantation'.
Now all this kid has to do is to get 25k to pay lawyers to fight the feds. Maybe he could get a loan at 22 percent interest. Cough. Everyone is guilty in the NWO where the laws have laws, regulations, taxes, registrations, fees, and all transactions made with cash are obviously open to confiscation.
I'm not going to write what I think the solution is. I'll save it for your imagination.
Are you thinking the people should march on the centers of power and civilly confiscate all of the guilty FRNs held by those in power?
No. Just the weaponry, land, artwork, PMs, food, jewellery, etc. They can keep the FRNs. We are not savages here!
'Authorised Bail-In's are all the rage. Get with the programme.
New Mexico where they train the cops to be just smart enough to steal. Other than that the cops in NM are dim witted. Still dangerous.
Knowing your rights is key as this won't happen to the average "tin foil hat" follower...
They had some sort of 'plain clothes' snoop on that train who spotted the cash and called ahead.
But don't worry. That kid would never develop a chip on his shoulder, or think that the government is just full of shit and out to get him.
THIS is how you create a terrorist.
This is soul crushing. Earn his dollars slowly and it gets taken. Always punishing fucking savers, print it, confiscate it, Cypress it.
I do not blame him if he goes back home and does sell drugs. The rules clearly don't matter, are not real.
I try to be rational, but this...rage does not even start to label it.
And yet... There was a time (in the past), that you attempted to lock horns with francis_sawyer with regards to the mathematical asymmetric IMPOSSIBILITY of 'jews' involved in the 4 PILLAR 'power nodes' of POWER (banking, MSM, political activism, corrupt jurisprudence)...
You ARGUED (with francis_sawyer), that jews were 'homeschooled' & therefore, arbitrarily 'SMARTER' than most of the rest of the people, and that's why they achieved these positions... As if, in an 'earned' way ~ & NOT, by some strange MATHEMATICAL IMPOSSIBILITY, to the tune of 325 million to one, jew FED CHAIRS since, Kissinger advised Nixon to abandon 'Bretton Woods" and money counterfeitting became the rule of the day...
Yet ~ It appears... TIME & TIME again... It is the very ATTITUDE of these POWER NODE positions wherefrom seems to emanate these, for lack of a better description, 'TOTALITARIAN' aspects & predispositions of & thereto, for lack of a better term... APPLICATION OF LAW (& especially whereby the application of law allows the policing force to confiscate money in whatever form)?...
So ~ based on your undisputable WISDOM... Which most, including myself, on ZH, respect...
How do you reconcile ALL OF THE ABOVE? (in a concise paragraph or two)?
Respectfully, f_s
My apologies, in advance, for interrupting your gentle & ad hoc post...
LOL.. So... Thieving cops make you think "dirty Jews."
This is your brain on hate, boys and girls.
No ~ As always, I DIDN'T SAY THAT... Instead ~ YOU said it...
Besides that, you 'ATTACHED' to it the following:
"This is your brain on hate, boys and girls."
Which, would 'portend' to to be consumed as a REVERSAL (by idiot minds)...
INSTEAD2
What I said &/or suggested is that we:
- live in a TOTALITARIAN statehood (or one that is rapidly becoming so)
- The increasing velocity of that TOTALITARIAN attitude, IMO, can be traced back 102 years, but PARABOLICALLY so in the last 45 years (since 'Bretton Woods' ended)
- What do the above 2 phenomenon have in common?
= 1913 ~ Federal Reserve (jew banking families) ~ FACT
= 1971 ~ Ending of 'Bretton Woods', which basically gave the heave ho for money printing ~ FACT
= Jew Banking families [owners of THE FED], having a 325 million to one mathematical possibility of having succesive FED CHAIRS, jews, in that exact time period ~ FACT
= thousands of jew billionaires being minted in that exact same timeframe ~ FACT
= political, legal, media corruption being at an ALL TIME HIGH since that time ~ FACT
= banking, MSM, political activism, jurisprudence being wholly 'power node wise' infiltrated by jews during that same time period
So ~ INSTEAD... My obtuse observations was that 'corrupt police', are WHOLLY a product of a CORRUPT SYSTEM...
The POLICE are simply the PRAETORIANS... IOW ~ serving their 'masters'
Idiots like yourseld can knock yourselves out PRETENDING that you're ZH rebels...
You're NOT...
You're the WORST OF THE WORST on this blog... Because you're a salaried misdirectionist...
~~~OTHERWISE~~~
The main difference between you & me is that I'd NEVER use the 'NOTICE ON RACIAL DISCRIMINATION' button to get someone kicked off of ZH & thereby, supposedly, win my position...
Instead, I'd let my arguments stand for themselves and let THE PEOPLE decide if I was FOS...
To AIIB
You're an astute fellow! +1000 for your clever response to CH1
And I say, welcome back franky. You've been missed.
I'll prolly get kicked off soon (because CH1 is still lurking)...
I'll prolly get kicked off soon (because CH1 is still lurking)...
Paranoia too!
I never clicked on Tyler's complaint link before. He evidently had some line, somewhere, beyond which your pollution was too costly.
Hate on, dude.
Why, yes; yes you are. Too bad there isn't a flush handle on this thread.
A fish rots from the head down.
Hi dear, provacative one,
My position is that Jews have some interesting features built into their religion that help them to be successful:
1. They make education part of the religion. Reading, writing, math. Part of the religion itself.
2. Unlike most religions I am aware of, they make critical thinking, and criticizing and questioning the religion itself, part of the religious practices. In my church, as a kid, I asked critical questions and I was shamed into silence. I was bad for even asking those questions. They encourage it, you get status for it. It makes their faith and their thinking skills more robust.
3. Even when they are put into ghettos, they practice their religion, which means they are learning to read, write, do math, and think critically, even when they are poor and marginalized. You just don't see that as a standard part of the culture of some other groups that have more trouble interfacing with larger systems. I think this is what you are referring to as homeschooling.
4. Business is frequently also a part of the culture. If your parents don't have a business, a relative does, and they sit you on their knee and talk about it, or they even have you work in their business in order to teach you. This is what you do for family, it is expected.
5. They have a philosophy of doing business with their own, supporting their own, advancing their own, when possible. Not all, but many of them do this. You can climb the ladder of success faster when you have been brought up in a culture that values a certain kind of success, AND there is a preexisting network that is there for you to take advantage of when you have a business idea. Networks matter.
I am not saying this explains it all, but it explains why, as a minority group, they are a lot more successful than other minority groups.
Some Jews are poor and never "make it." Some make it without the network help.
Some get waaay more help from that network than you or I might think they merit. But they are in, and you and I are not. That is how it is.
My argument is that it is the culture. You enjoy reducing my arguement to "home schooling" to bait me. That is okay by me.
I apologize to Jews out there if any of the above has been an overgeneralizatoin. I mean no harm, correct me if I have been a dunderhead. It is what I have observed first hand. I am not Jewish, but I was married to a Jewish man 14 years.
How did they treat you, as a woman?
They were "Conservative" Jews. It was funny, I got more grief from the women regarding nonconformity than the men.
For instance, at Passover, the women cover their heads with a round lacy cloth, the men wear yarmulkes. I wore a yarmulkes. The women were angry and mortified, very tense, yet it was only family members, no outsiders at all. Mind you my mother in law loved me and did not care at all. The rest of the men (and kids) thought it was great and asked the other women to leave me alone. I know women wear them from time to time. Apparently only certain ones can. Not sure how that worked. They got used to me doing it.
There were other things like this. My mother in law was the coolest, and the other women were very judgemental (yet very kind, in their way). Most of the men treated me like an equal except one. He was a high level lawyer and a snob. Was very clear he thought he was better than everyone, not just me.
I enjoyed the family, respected the religion, was not willing to convert.
@Ms C
In the end... You have always been my favorite (NOT because I agreed with anything you said, but simply because YOU'RE THE ONLY FUCKING ONE who seems to be willing to publish your ideas on controversial things)... No matter what happens... NOBODY (especially myself) can take that away from you...
Quickly:
1. RELIGION ~ Sure, I 'get it'... Frankly, I think they're SMART AS SHIT... (I'll let the 'evil overlord' potential aptitude predisposition out of that in this particular moment)...
2. RELIGION2 ~ Wow, we're really out of our element here because... When you think about it... The TORAH (which are, presumably, the first 5 chapters of THE OLD TESTAMENT) are so ambiguous as to 'laws' regarding this or that, ESPECIALLY 'sexuality'... I mean, FFS, If I were a 'Martian' and came to Earth and read the first 5 chapters of THE OLD TESTAMENT, I'd be saying 'WTFF'?... So ~ actually, in a weird way, I ADMIRE the Jews, because from a PROCREATION standpoint (which is, undoubtedly, a THEME in the TORAH, ABOVE ALL OTHER LAWS, well, how can I fucking argue with that logic?)...
3. I'm not sure about the 'GHETTO' aspect... All I can say is that "I get it"... More importantly "I GET the resolve"... But frankly ~ I still can't reconcile THE GHETTO in the last century... More specifically... I don't think JEWS are JEWS... Instead ~ They're 'ASHKENAZIS", who hijacked the jewish religion so that they could infiltrate Western Culture, which may or may not have been the ULTIMATE objective, but when it happened, they RAN with it... This phenomenon is something that, I believe, would be one that would take a MILLENIUM to play itself out out start to finish... Therefore ~ we're probably only halfway into the phenomenon as we pretend to debate in this exact moment...
4. Business... SURE ~ They're fucking EXPERTS at it & I feel that they're THE SMARTEST PERSONS IN THE ROOM at any moment... Not that I believe that ANY of that is BENEVOLENT to MANKIND as a whole...
5. YA THINK? ~ lol
Anyway... Thank You VERY MUCH for being the only one (on ZH), after all these years, to come up with an INTELLIGENT debate to my whimsical protestations...
Thanks MsC!
francis_sawyer
Personally, I don't give a fuck what excuses Ms makes for them. They gave rise to zionism and its greater israel goal, its middle east balkanisation strategy to achieve it, its false-flag terrorism tactic to bring it about. Those cunts carried out 9/11, the british underground bombings, the Estonia sinking, je suis charlie, on and on and on. They are a blight on the earth, but more than that, they are a threat to the continued existence of me and mine, you and yours. All that, and they are our masters, they control the USSA totally. When they are ready, they will use our nukes to take this to the next level. I wish some rogue motherfucker would launch a nuke at them and destroy them.
Yes, but a lovely strong culture they have, I 'spose.
I am open to the probability you are right about a lot of what you say there.
I cannot blame all Jews for what some extremists decide to do with their collective social, cultural, political, and economic capital.
Me and f_s go at it because I will not over generalize about any group.
I don't like Zionism.
Israel is treating Palestinians like Hitler treated them, hypocritical. Some Jews are sick about it and actively try to change things.
I will not damn all Jews because of Zionist Jews.
Agree that you don't judge individuals by the color of their skin, etc, but by the content of their character. However, the skin color etc is a powerful warning sign, it gives you a heads up.
How much truth do you want?
The bottom line is: Jews are the heart and cause of organized international cime. But not all jews, because the ashknazi parasites eat the pure, original, sephardic jews. Right in front of you.
Continuous war...
Are you not admitting to exactly the primary charge against them since time immemorial, here? You did fail to mention the most recent adaptation to this survival strategy, though. They have a philosophy of doing business with their own, supporting their own, advancing their own while at the very same time pushing forth the idea that it is an absolute mortal sin for any other group to use the same strategy. I also fail to see how sucking the blood out of mutilated baby dicks constitutes "reading, writing, and math", but perhaps you have some insight into the sciences aspect of the religion that is invisible to the layman.
India is deeper
This is their culture for 1000's of years.
Dueteronomy 23,
19 Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.20 You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the Lord your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess.
I could just hear Hillary telling Chelsea, "Don't waste anytime getting pregnant. We want to hitch our wagon to the gravy train."Lighten up Francis.
People learn and grow. Sometimes it is fast and sometimes slow.
I feel the same rage Ms C.
ditto
What is the difference between law enforcement and a pick pocket or a mugger in these cases, none.
If you defend yourself against a theif you have a chance.
Against a uniform with a gun and badge, you know you will lose one way or the other.
No wonder many stay away from any law enforcement.
I am 63 and I don't want them arouund. Even if something bad is happening. They are never there when you really need them anyway.
Actually there is a big difference.
Robbery is an ordinary crime, and the punishment is usually not very severe. Pillage is a war crime, which is much more serious.
They prevent no crimes, just take notes for insurance crooks afterward. Other than that all they do is act like crooks themselves, or strong-arm for the crooks, being paid to harass citizens. We do not need them.
He's a young black male so statistically he was going to terrorize some white girl's pussy like yours eventually anyway then set you on fire and kill your children.
For a lot less than $16K.
Soon they'll seize your bank account, pension fund and house saying you gained your assets through ill ways. You are still liable for all debts of course and have to pay interest.
I'll up you one on that, to add, in the eyes of the IRS, as with most .gov agencies, all are guilty until proven innocent. Offers new meaning to "License to Steal," no?
Well, what do you expect in the Land of The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.? The Criminal System now is just blatantly operating in the open & in our faces Daring Americans to fore the first shot to justify Martial Law.
Do not fire, however, pack a gun &'pay no tax & stop being an accessory / CONSENTing to the Criminal Fraud via our Silence, Consent & taxes.
We should start bartering for everything.
I agree, stop paying taxes. Thing is that will only lead to violence as well. When everyone stops paying taxes, they will send redcoats to tax collect.
I thought Holder had directed fedeeral agencies to stop this shit. Guess not. At least local cops in NM can no longer use civil asset forefiture without a criminal conviction, and if they do use it, the proceeds do not go to the department. But this doesn't apply to the feds. Fucking DEA.
Also, this is one reason why you NEVER consent to a search. My last encounter with a LEO involved me trying to figure out where to turn late at night. Apparently, that is "suspicious" behavior. I kept on asking the cop why he was there, and he just kept on using the vague BS "you're acting suspicious." Finally, I asked him if I was being detained, and he said yes. That was the point where I really nailed him down on what crime he suspected me of. The conversation went something like this:
"Am I being detained?"
"Yes."
"What crime do you suspect me of?"
"You're acting suspicious."
"No, you need a specific crime."
"You're acting suspicious."
"No, what statute do you suspect me of having violated and why?"
"You didn't use your turn signal."
The point is, he was really getting ready to start digging into my shit and looking for a reason to take me to jail. I was setting him up for a lawsuit that I would win, and when he realized that, he pulled "turn signal" out of his ass, and he had to let me go.
I would like to see this as part of a future advice & suggestons article, for when (not if) we're out in transit minding our business and some local jackboot waylays us and demands papers. How about it, Tyler?
Should be a daily feature IMNSHO.
he pulled "turn signal" out of his ass
So it was a tail light, huh?
I'm surprised he didnt pull a 'drop-bag' out of his toolkit and put you in a frame for drug possession.
LOL, this was BCSO, not APD, Besides, I refused to roll my window down all of the way, which would have made it difficult.
Shot my wad twice.
There's no need to learn a productive skill when you can just get a Gubermit badge and seize shit from the productive people.
I actually just sent $20 to this guy's gofundme account. That is the first time I have ever donated to something on there. I am already on the list so I don't give a FUCK. This is an American in trouble and his own government fucked him over.
http://www.abqjournal.com/580107/news/dea-agents-seize-16000-from-aspiri...
I donated my $25 last week to the Institute for Justice, the group representing the rural NC convenience store owner who had $113,000 stolen from him by the IRS. Yes, civil forfeiture. Apparently, now the IRS has agreed to return his money.
No interest, though, and the costs of an accountant and lawyer to get his money back and 'prove' innocence, are still his own to pay.
The dude is still out plenty of money, for the crime of minding his business and doing nothing wrong. Had he been carrying on a disapproved activity, he may have gotten nothing back.
As I recall, the government first suggested he be happy if they returned 50%, since he had the audacity to TELL.
I don't know what else to 'reasonably' do but donate a few bucks to those orgs that are fighting this case by case. And Judical Watch, which uncovered what the GOProgs in the House did not regarding Benghazi. That, the Administration was aware of the probable attack prior to its execution.
Stupid GOYIM are to be exploited, it's hardly a secret. Check out the smiles on these rats.
http://incogman.net/2015/05/the-zionists-plan-for-the-middle-east/
So which are you; Left-Hander, CAIR rectum snooter, or your garden variety Buchenwald Oven Operator? Maybe GeoWash in drag?
Don't be a dink, put up a link!
Stop spamming asshole. You're posting the same link at different stories. Must be a GED on EBT? No?
Here's a link I haven't posted. I'm referring to the poor girl in the second photo, not your hero in the first pic.
http://tinyurl.com/kp2th2f
It sickens me, don't you feel the same?
Piss off kikeroach before somone aereates your yarmulke.
Well we know it wasn't constitutional conservatives responsible for creation and implementation of civil asset forfeiture laws now don't we?
Progressives own that shit man. Pretty much all tyranny in the USA today is because of progressives. And a progressive was the victim I'll bet.
The progressive stupid, it burns.
Grimaldus
you live in a dream world. Just as the REPUBLICANS cant pile onto OBamas TPP train fast enough, So did they vote for the Forfeiture laws
REPUBLICANS are TRAITORS
More likely the fucking Federalists. The first Congress passed civil asset forfeiture statutes and Washington signed them. Founding Thieves.
But.. but.. I thought that the South was a cradle of libertarianism?
Where are all those well-armed freedom fighters, exercising their Rights?
;-)
Rivers is from Michigan, accosted and stolen from by the yankee Federalis in Albuquerque...New Mexico...after taking a federally subsidized Amtrak train on his way to...Kalifornica.
If he had half a brain he would have come to Memphis...lol.
They support the freedom to probe vaginas.
These scumbags are pushing us. They want an excuse! what a bunch of scumbags
These scumbags are pushing us. They want an excuse! what a bunch of scumbags
The previous article on zh said banks were supposed to report a quota of suspicious activity that feds could seize if the total sum of the account balance was over $2000.
The dudes' a mule, it's the business like the song is sung
"The Smugglers Blues"
Then he should have been charged. The fact that he was not charged points to the suspicion that you are a douchenozzle.
At least he got a launch of the American "dream".
'Merica! Land of free theft by gubbermint, banksters, hedge funds and three letter agencies.
Ask yourselves citizens of the baa-baa, why can't walk around with as much cash as you want on your person?
Why can you only take $5000 out of YOUR checking or savings at a time?
Why do they want to take our guns and ammunition away from us?
Why do you let your gubbermint and law enforcement do these things to you....?
Because you let them...
Until it happens to you, I guess "it just doesn't matter..."
“The most amazing part is that any society can be stupid and passive enough to allow this policy to persist.”
The trouble is that there is a large fraction of Americans who feel warm and fuzzy inside when they learn about this kind of tyranny. They don’t want to hear truth; they believe obedience is freedom, black is white, curtesy is weakness and so on; and they will die, or kill, rather than face truth; or correct their self-destructive habits or beliefs. These people control instruments of power across the globe; as far as they are concerned, if destruction of civilized society is necessary to secure rule by thieves… if extermination of productive and thrifty classes is necessary, it shall be done.
This should tell you “How much people have to suffer” before they’ve had enough: destruction of civilization is not enough.
And the problem, from our perspective, is, ‘How do we protect ourselves from their murderous political system?’ How, for example, do we protect our property (from physical gold, to businesses, to stocks and bonds (domestic and foreign)) from seizure by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)? Even more important, ‘How do we protect ourselves from informers now being recruited, trained and protected by the DHS?”
By the act of Congress that established the DHS a system was created by which informers could make false allegations against anyone they please with near-total impunity. Of course, such informers aren’t described as informers; rather they are given the title “submitting person” and the DHS Act provided that their falsehoods will never be examined by any court or legislature or law enforcement agency. The legislation even specifies how this immunity is obtained. The “submitting person” only has to give an “express statement” that his lies were “voluntarily given” and that he expected “protection from disclosure”. It’s all there, in the act that created the DHS.
I’m sorry guys, but silly season is over. Even if you own physical gold, live in a cabin in the woods along with a stash of ammo and AK-47’s, you lose. If you don’t fall to the horde of hungry homeless, you will fall to DHS death squads. All the homeless have to do is to wait until you collapse from lack of sleep (24, 48, 72 hours), then they march in, slit your throat and… let your imagination run wild.
If you own stocks or bonds, guess what: you’re depending on criminal and useless classes to deliver your purchasing power at the moment of their greatest victory. Did I mention something about ‘silly season’?
If you want to survive, you have to combine with others of like mind for the purpose of mutual protection, among other purposes. The big question now is, ‘HOW is this to be done?’ And the quick answer is, ‘You must establish First-Amendment assemblies – the only historically-proven method by which men have made their lives and property secure from rule by thieves.’
The American Revolution, for example, was powered by a large network of such assemblies: from town meetings, county meetings, state conventions and, ultimately, to Continental Congresses.
Let’s be realistic: this solution won’t be easy or quick… unprecedented adventures never are.
<<If you want to survive, you have to combine with others of like mind for the purpose of mutual protection, among other purposes. The big question now is, ‘HOW is this to be done?’ And the quick answer is, ‘You must establish First-Amendment assemblies – the only historically-proven method by which men have made their lives and property secure from rule by thieves.’ The American Revolution, for example, was powered by a large network of such assemblies: from town meetings, county meetings, state conventions and, ultimately, to Continental Congresses. Let’s be realistic: this solution won’t be easy or quick… unprecedented adventures never are.>>
At least you proposed the beginning of a plan of action, rather than just leaving it at a complaint. +1
I would humbly add to your suggestion, some mental preparedness training:
1) This is war, Peacock. They will kill us just for the sake of example and intimidation. Start getting cosy with people (e.g., vets) who understand this stuff, and learn from them, how to assess, and when / how to act. Realistic self-defense plans are not always peaceful, and not always 'legal' either, especially not during wartime. Make no mistake, these are not legitimate authorities. They are war criminals, racketeers, genocidists. Think and then plan accordingly.
2) SECESSION needs to become a first resort option. Get used to thinking about it and talking about it. These huge government corporations are deeply corrupt and need to be broken the fuck up, and the first order of business must be to withdraw from their jurisdiction. Don't be Greece, agonising over leaving years after you should have... stop waiting for a 'good enough' reason to leave, and instead see if these huge corps can persuade you to stay. It's time to quit making fun of would-be breakaway groups (Scotland, Quebec, Catalonia) and even 'sovereign citizens', and start supporting, helping, and joining them. It's a lot harder to oppress a population that is outside the jurisdiction of a 'government'. It is up to us to leave before they impoverish us to the point of dependency, which, by the way, is their plan.
I have more than a plan. What I leave on these comments are merely introductions to the real history, law and procedures of historically-proven means of redress. My book, “The Lost Right” is intended to be used as a turn-key document that will take you from start to finish in efforts to bring criminal and useless classes to account. I cover most of the major steps in this process, and offer myself as a consultant for inevitable details that will appear.
Thanks for the reply.