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Bloody Biker Breastaurant Shootout: New Footage, Details Emerge
Terrified patrons and flippant, scantily clad waitresses alike witnessed a rare “true biker shootout” at the Waco, Texas Twin Peaks Sports Bar and Grill on Sunday. Although details were initially sparse, the story seems to have begun when members of several rival biker gangs agreed to meet at Twin Peaks to discuss a territorial disagreement.
When tensions flared in the men’s room, the meeting to resolve what Reuters called “a dispute over a parking lot,” quickly escalated into a dispute in a parking lot where as many as five rival gangs brandishing bats, brass knuckles, knives, clubs, guns, and motorcycle chains set about attacking one another in a melee involving hundreds of bikers.
Police — who were aware that trouble might be brewing down at the Twin Peaks and who had actually warned the franchise owner that a biker brawl might be in the cards — quickly joined the shootout after the bikers “turned their guns” away from each other and onto the officers. In the end, the restaurant parking lot was littered with blood and bullets, 9 bikers were dead, 18 were injured, and 192 were arrested.
Here's aerial footage of the arrests (set to fun music), cell phone footage, and more images from the melee:
For those interested in the backstory behind Sunday's 'event', read on.
Two days after the harrowing high noon hostilities, details have begun to emerge. As The NY Times reports, the two instigating gangs look to be the Cossacks and the Bandidos who are engaged in a “long-running feud”:
Law enforcement officials said the midday gun battle was primarily between the Bandidos and Cossacks gangs, a continuation of a long-running feud between the two groups, though members of the Scimitars — a gang affiliated with the Cossacks — and two other motorcycle clubs were also involved…
The people arrested after the shootout at the Twin Peaks Restaurant, in south Waco, were charged with engaging in organized crime linked to capital murder, said Sgt. Patrick Swanton, a Waco Police Department spokesman. It will be up to prosecutors and a grand jury to decide what charges they will ultimately face, but capital murder charges can carry the death penalty.
With hundreds of bikers gathered at the restaurant, at the Central Texas Marketplace shopping plaza just off Interstate 35, the police anticipated trouble and were out in force before the confrontation. There were 18 Waco officers and four Texas Department of Public Safety officers there, and they closed in “within 30, 45 seconds” of the start of shooting, Sergeant Swanton said.
“There were multiple people on the scene firing weapons at each other,” he said. “They then turned on our officers. Our officers returned gunfire, wounding and possibly killing several”...
Both the Bandidos and the Cossacks originated in Texas in the 1960s, according to law enforcement officials and gang historians. Last year, two members of the Bandidos, including the president of the Abilene chapter,were indicted on charges of stabbing two other men, in what the police said was a conflict with the Cossacks.
“The view of the Bandidos is that Texas is their state,” said Terry Katz, vice president of the International Association of Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators, a group of about 600 analysts, investigators, police officers and prosecutors. The Bandidos “are the big dogs of Texas,” he said, but the smaller Cossacks gang was “not going to bow down,” and there has been a series of violent confrontations between them…
The Bandidos are one of the few major biker gangs in the United States and the world. A 2013 national gang report produced by federal law enforcement agencies identified the Bandidos as one of five motorcycle groups — in addition to the Hells Angels, Pagans, Outlaws and Iron Horsemen — that posed the most significant gang threat around the country.
The Boston Globe has more:
The group is generally considered the world’s second-largest biker gang, behind the Angels, with as many as 2,500 members in 13 countries, according to the Department of Justice.
The Bandidos’ story charts the rise of biker gangs from counterculture clubs to fearsome organized crime organizations and helps to explain why tragedy struck on Sunday in a city already associated with spectacular violence.
The Bandidos began almost 20 years after the Hells Angels, but the two gangs soon became bitter rivals. According to the motorcycle club’s legend, founder Donald Chambers was bored with other bike clubs. ‘‘Chambers started the Bandidos in March 1966, when he was 36 years old and working on the ship docks in Houston,’’ Skip Hollandsworth wrote in a 2007 profile of the gang. ‘‘He told his friends that he was naming his club the Bandidos, in honor of the Mexican bandits who refused to live by anyone’s rules but their own, and he began recruiting his first members not only out of Houston but also out of the biker bars in Corpus Christi, Galveston, and San Antonio...
‘‘By the late 1970s local police and federal investigations began to expose the involvement of many 1% [motorcycle clubs] in drug trafficking, theft, extortion, and prostitution rings,’’ Quinn writes. Chambers was caught in 1972, when he and two other Bandidos were arrested for killing two drug dealers in El Paso…
In the mid 1990s, a ‘‘Great Nordic Biker War’’ between the Bandidos and the Hells Angels shook Scandinavia. At least 12 people died and nearly 100 were injured in the three-year skirmish, which featured unprecedented firepower for a gangland rivalry…
The two bike gangs faced off again in Canada during the late 1990s and 2000s. This time, the conflict — dubbed ‘‘The Quebec Biker war’’ — reportedly cost 150 lives.
Steve Cook, a Kansas City police officer who’s worked undercover in biker gangs told The Globe the following about Sunday’s shootout:
‘‘My perception is that the Cossacks have been flirting, if you will, with Hell’s Angels. If I’m a Bandido, my immediate reaction is: ‘These guys are going to try to make a move and bring an international gang into our state, which is going to cause a war.’’’
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Biker gang, bankster gang, it is the same- bikers aren't nearly as dangerous.
"The “presents table” was full of gifts from all chapters, supporters and friends. Live music, shows, numerous biker stands and the Bandidos brotherhood were the respect company for the whole day."
The pictures tell the story.
Honest question for the right-wing gunslingers on this board:
How many more people need to die before you accept basic modern-day gun control laws!??
Gun crime is absolutely exploding in this country! Every month now we here about another shoot-out or school shooting. Our gun crime is skyrocketing, while Europe's has been almost non-existent for decades. I'm so embarrassed to be an American! The rest of the world must look upon our primitive gun-loving culture with shock and horror, as our country devolves into absolute chaos.
When you get tired of carrying that cop around with you everywhere you go, you'll finally see the light.
Watching the Waco police Sargeant speak to the press yesterday, all I could think about was how incredibly well spoken and articulate he was, WITHOUT the use of a teleprompter. He should run for POTUS...
White people get arrested when they riot......Obama's sons in baltimore don't.
Is it just me or do these look like the most model arrestees ever in the history of crime? Everyone is just following orders perfectly, sitting in neat orderly lines, etc. WTF? These are hardcore bikers? I don't see any blood in the photos. And the cops were already on location? What?
None of this makes much sense.
I am Chumbawamba.
Been wondering as well about your points since the alleged firefight.
Jury: Not guilty.
Police/moles were "aware" of trouble because they started it.
I hate it every time a fight breaks out in my biker bar.
Can’t we just all get along and appreciate the diversity of our tattoos and colors?
.and I agree with Chumbie.. something ain't right here
It was a rapid pairing of the biker fight and the MSM 'How dangerous are biker gangs?"
Almost as if a narrative had been pre-written.
Nice to see in the photos, almost all the bikers are white, so there is the fine balancing of niggers chimping out in Baltimore with the counterstory of the dangerous white bikers.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/05/18/how-dangerous-are-biker-gangs/Oxa...
It is probably just coincidence that Jade Helm just happens to conducted down there soon like the Macedonian government just happens to be threatened by bussed-in anti-government rabble rousers.
I would hazard a guess that all the dead were killed by police bullets. Likely not a few by pre-placed snipers.
Yeah, this whole thing stinks. The pictures show scrubbed-pink, cleanly-dressed "hard core" bikers enthusiastically cooperating with the cops who just killed their buddies. Not a surly-looking bedraggled pissed-off motherfucker to be seen.
anyone ever hear of the satan's crates? or the rengades? my dad tells me stories of how he and his non-biker friends had some major run ins in san jose, ca with gangs during his youth
pretty hairy stories
commuting between SJ and Oaktown I see mostly Henchmen and California Korrupt bikers riding around. Never heard of the Satan's Crates, have heard of th Renegades.
More details emerge but still not one good reason why anybody should give a single phuck about these degenerates killing each other.
Half of them are enrolled in liberal arts night classes studying "Philospers of the 19th century" probably at Baylor U [a top notch school btw].
However, I seriously doubt any of them slugged a convenience store owner [or possibly anyone else] in his life.
They got too ideologically philosophical I think.
Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll
The good old days.
Well.. sex is everywhere including the grade schools and the teachers.
Drugs.. big Pharma, Medicare Part D and Obamacare have drugs everywhere, too…
Rock ‘n Roll… that seems to be pretty much replaced by tribal Rap music.
Mission Accomplished.
Next stop.. The Fall of the Roman Empire.
“History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”--Samuel Langhorne Clemens
First blood: http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2015/04/29/dallas-fir...
And @BoredRoom takes the opportunity to remind us just how superior White folks are to Blacks (I supposed that's your point. Not sure, because Obama's Mom is White, just like your mom I'm guessing and your... whichever of the three that night, is.) And his pops is and was not African American, just off the shelf Kenyan, which was about enough for his White mom. So my point is, you got'im. Y'all got'im. Stop denying your own.
The assertion that "blacks don't get arrested" is well, hard to argue with. You stumped me with that one Ace. I junked you; not for your comment, but becaused that name BR is a bit juvenile and you probably thought it was being clever. Nice day.
There is ample data suggesting blacks have a statistically significant LOWER IQ than Asians (1.5 SD) or whites (1.0 SD). So yes, one could say based on this metric, whites (looking at large population averages) are superior to blacks. The violent crime stats kept by the FBI also suggest Asians commit the lower # of violent crimes per 100,000. Then whites. Guess what? Blacks are #1 in violent crime. So they are superior violent crime machines! Yay!
I live about an hour from Waco -- bikers were not predominantly White - most were Hispanic. As for the idiot who asked about guns andb einga shamed to be an American because we have guns -- theng et the fuck out if you are so ashamed. Fortunately our founders gave us the second amendment - to protect us from tyrany, not bikers. Maybe one day when the police are putting you in lockdown and going through your wifes jewely drawers looking for terrorist -- like they did in boston - you will understand.
Suddenly this whole thing stinks like a stack of rotten fish.
Either a signal to the rowdies that their days as sanctioned bullies are done, or convenient way to get rid of some trouble makers.
Either way, CONTRIVED! Cannot believe anything no moe!
Fresh off the Cort meanwhile, raw guitar... 21R
https://soundcloud.com/aadinaadam/sigtar-1-for-mr-chatterjee-1
yes ORI..
it's a global symphony
the question is.. Who are the players?
Perhaps you are really asking, who is the Conductor?
Better yet, who is the composer?
I'm having a matrix moment!
ah.. grasshopper
"One small piece. Now another, and another, and another."
That’s it
I am starting my own renegade scooter club.
Nothing larger than a BMW 647cc and respect will be earned by the number of tatts, piercings, back seat TaTa’s, outlandish accessories and legal weaponry.
Points for illegal weaponry may or may not be assessed.
Might I suggest some Fine Young Cannibals theme music for ya?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrOek4z32Vg&list=RDxrOek4z32Vg
"Good thing, where have ya gone?"
pods
x cellent :-D
Come join the Swiss Toefli 500!!!
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentralschweiz/story/500-Toeffli-eroberten-d...
They just had a 500 moped meeting at the Swiss transport museum. It was quite a sight!!!!!
So Vivek, exactly what would Ghandi think about this violence ? Since he was such a benevolent guy , Hey ? Most do not know the truth of Ghandi now do they ?
I am always in a matrix moment because I fully realize we all are, and most just don't grasp it.
I once got in a fight in a grocery store with a biker gang member and beat the crap out of a fat bully, and that was the end of that adventure ! Quite a story actaully. I have also known a few that were good guys , just considerably misguided and had all manner of ego and personal identity issues. Most are just bullies. Americans have grown fat, dumb, lazy, spoiled and cowardly. That is why we see so much insanity these days ? Nobody has the balls to stand up to anything and few live in any truth ! In fact most Americans are afraid of their own shadow, pathetic ! All at my site and much more for FREE !
Yes DTE, these are definitely times of high weirdness.
The matrix moments are becoming commoner, I imagine a few here feel that way too...
Go anywhere and look around. People trying their damndest to cram themselves back into the powerplant.
Life sucks during a depression, and most are too scared to do drugs to escape.
So, digital drugs are what they do. And they plug themselves in to avoid life.
pods
I question the fear factor thing..
Young skulls full of mush are open to most any adventure.
But, I heartily agree about the digital addiction concept,
Cloud Narcissism may be more potent than drugs.
the cloud thing is a kind of drug is it not, for young numbskulls with zero life experience and only the illusions that are provided as reality ? The matrix lives and the digital world is just an illusion ! All the BS in the world cannot change that. And one day it will be very clear .
Drugs, even weed are not a solution to anything , I know I tried it a long time ago. All it did was get me thru a nightmare but almost caused another one worse than the first ? I got lucky and lived. never underestimate luck or your free will . It is all about our soul and when all is said and done there really is no such thing as luck ? Just depends on what you call it and how tuned into yourself you are.
We all live in massive illusions !
yep we are "spiralling" out of control ,Hey ? But only for those that are not aware of the illusions ?
my thoughts exactly..... 1-2 under cover bods in the gangs, is all it took to blow this up and provide more excuses for militarized police against unarmed citizens.
Given a multidepartment collection of low IQ cops were on the scene in 53 seconds, complete with what appears to be at least 1 armored vehicle, one can only assume that something is fucky.
interesting dynamic as the cops are equally as fat as the bikers ? which explains the group reinforcement thing for fat bullies ?
And Heeeeeeere's Brigitte!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s78WZjzIYxk
oui oui oui
ya read about the criminality and "rivalries" between "satan's little helpers" and the "bad mofos" or whatever and all I can think is "people are bastards"
There was this show on Animal Planet called Meerkat Manor. Interesting dynamics between such supposedly cute little animals.
The show follows several groups of meerkats, who act communally for the benefit of the groups in which they live. These groups are typically led by a dominant female and male, who maintain almost exclusive rights to have offspring. The show focused on the Whiskers family. This group was chosen because of its matriarch Flower, an unusually successful dominant female who led the group for five years. During series three, Flower died from a snake bite and was succeeded by her daughter Rocket Dog.
Animals in neighbouring groups were highlighted in each series as well. In the first series, a group called the Lazuli were shown frequently in competition with the Whiskers family, and the opening credits referred to them as the "neighbours from hell". Although their dominant male Big Si died between series, the Lazuli appeared in the second series, mostly as a source of roving males. Another group called the Commandoes, led by a one-eyed male named Hannibal, introduced themselves by attacking the Lazuli burrow, killing a pup and badly wounding the babysitting adult. The Commandoes became the new major rivals in the area, killing the pups of evicted Whiskers female Mozart and taking over some of the Whiskers' territory.
The Whiskers' new neighbours were the Zappa and the Starsky. Although smaller than the Whiskers, the Zappa attacked frequently, and when they fled after one attack, the Whiskers – in a rare occurrence – adopted an abandoned Zappa pup. The Starsky group, on the other hand, was no threat to the Whiskers. Formed by a trio of Flower's daughters permanently evicted from the Whiskers, the small group was ravaged by illness, predators, and a lack of new pups. The constantly struggling Starsky succumbed in the penultimate episode, with the death of the last survivor, Mozart, who was killed by a jackal. Former Whiskers female Maybelline broke away from the group at the end of the third series, forming a new group called the Aztecs which became the Whiskers' rivals in the fourth series.
People are just acting like a bunch of rodents.
Miffed;-)
Unlike those guys, Miffed, as ORI points out, we have a Conductor.
They're called genes. And Nature long ago encoded how territorial, social-living mammals would behave. Yes, Conductors may pluck at strings, but Nature built the instrument, and the orchestra, and the hall.
Fair enough.
We have alpha oligarchs that conduct and control our tribes - just like meerkats.
We have alpha oligarchs that either use us, own us or banish us - just like meerkats.
Our alpha oligarchs use uniforms, pledges, flags and territory to mark their posessions. The alpha pair meerkats pee on their subordinates to mark them. OK, that's a little different than meerkats (but the alpha oligarchs would pee on us if they could - just for fun).
Our life and status as a group member is controlled by alpha oligarchs, just like the meerkats' alpha pair.
We are realy only 'free' to forage for food if there is any, burrow out a den and sleep, that's about it. Same as meerkats. We can leave any time we want, but we'll probably die - just like meerkats.
Our existance in a world of predators and rivals is dependent on a common sentry. The alpha oligarchs exploitation of the group is intamately linked to what otherwise would be an automatic and instinctive action of the group organizing and maintaining the sentry. The alpha oligarchs maintain control by threat of banishment from the group and loss of security. Just like the meerkats.
Alpha oligarchs kill each other. Lesser oligarchs try to kill the alpha oligarchs and take over. Alpha oligarchs use their peons to raid and kill other competing tribes and take their territory. Same as meerkats.
The biggest difference I see is that we have opposable thumbs and are able to text while we drive.
The only thing I disagree with Miffed on: meerkats are not rodents. A mongoose-like family is the other half of the branch of predatory carnivores with the other branch being cats. Both have forward-facing eyes giving them binocular vision (hey, just like humans). Rodents are a completely different order of animals, although many oligarchs are known to exhibit distinct, rat-like features and will try to steal your cheese.
" The only thing I disagree with Miffed on: meerkats are not rodents."
Actually I knew this. It's just that I like the mongoose family and I am not overly found of rodents thus my purposefully made erroneous simile. I knew posting on ZH this would be caught within nanoseconds. If not, I would assume we had dropped a few pegs to drivel on sees on alternative sites.
Thanks to you, my confidence has been restored.
Miffed;-)
+1 for use of the word similie. Mongoose are interesting, but I'm rather fond of the spirited Honey Badgers. They can take out a pit bull (hopefully, my neighbor's).
I'm disappointed RadicalMarijuana hasn't chimed in. The meerkat/human society is a nice, simple break-it-down-Barney-style example of death controls - I think.
Miffed,
I saw that, but just thought, meh, it's not worth the nit-pick. Small mammals ... rodents, mustelids, lagomorphs, whatever it takes.
Paveway IV,
Good luck with the pit bull. ... And then, there's the problem of keeping your honeybadger amused in-between pit bulls.
I get the general impression that they, like the biker gangs, are easily bored and like to start fights just for fun.
I was just thinking of temporary ownership until the pit bull 'problem' was solved. I like pit bulls - just not this little, untrained, overly-agressive prick.
Post pit bull, the honey badger would be Wal*Mart's problem - they always leave the loading dock doors open during the day. I was even going to make a cute littel blue vest for the honey badger with the Wal*Mart greeting silkscreened on the back that said, "HOW may I HELP you, Asshole?"
Mmmmmmm.
Meerkats.
Yummy.
The original "Meerkat Manor" was made by BBC, narrated by Bill Nighy. If you ever can do watch the series.
Just a thought...could have been a well staged demonstration of how well a properly trained and militarized police force can protect the muppets from evil doers whether they be Banditos, Cossacks, ISIS, ISIL, ETC, ETC, YADA, YADA, YABBA, DABBA, DOOOO.
That's what I figured.
Save me, oh militarized police! Take my guns and save me!
Funny it happened just as Obama is pretending to rein them in a bit. What a coincidence.
The cops were already there in force. They had warned local businesses and asked them to close. That means there were informants. And that means there were probably agents provocateur and snipers. So the whole thing was likely staged.
Compare this to the riots in baltimore or ferguson. Old, fat white guys sitting quietly for their turn to be cuffed. Vs raging niggers burning and destroying everything in their path. This was not a riot. More like more murders by cop.
I don't know. I just know that the local "clubs" like to not cause problems for those not in another "club." They run charity drives and stuff to keep their public image up. I have no idea about what really went down with the shooting, but their image to the public is important to them. They don't want John Q Public pissed off at them. It causes too many problems.
What went down with the shooting is that a bigger rival gang called 'cops' showed up and offed some people. They have shown themselves to be the most violent group anywhere in the US.
So far we have had only the police version of what went down, who started it, and who began shooting, and who began shooting at the police (if anyone).
Based on prior history, can we trust what the police say in official statements?
... er ... despite great pressure, in Ferguson, the Grand Jury corroberated the police story, for example.
We can rightly ask: "based on prior history, can we trust what any outlet says in their statements."
U should take a stroll through south-side or maybe breakdown on the Ryan. Might change your view.
- Ned
I've known some bikers over the years and never have had a problem with any of them. They would come into my Dad's businesses occasionally and I knew they aren't the cream of society by any means but if you treat them with respect they are polite to you in return. One time I stopped on I-35 north of Dallas when I saw a bunch of bikers off the side of the road surrounding someone laying on the ground. He was having some serious health problems. I told them to put him in my car (I was wearing a suit) and we all rushed down the Interstate to Denton. He was having a heart attack and the emergency room went to work on him. I hung around for awhile to see if he'd make it. He did. They asked if they could do anything for me and I told them since I don't use drugs, I didn't need to get laid and I couldn't think of anyone's legs I wanted broken I told them to just pass the favor on to someone else in the future. They all laughed.
as a 40 year old white guy who can pretty much hold court in any crowd, bikers don't concern me in the least and like you, I don't have much bad to say about them.
A guy I work off and on with is hooked up with them and hilariously he matter of factly told me if I ever need an unregistered heater to let him know. ROFL.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
False. He may be your friend. Often better to let them fight it out themselves.
<< I've known some bikers over the years and never have had a problem with any of them. >>
Ditto, here. In fact, two of them stopped to change my Mom's flat tire on a lonely road in NC a few years ago, outside of Hickory I think.
They claim two groups of gunned up gangs started shooting at the cops but there were no injuries to any cops.
They said "some" might have been shot or killed by the cops. But still no indication of how many (maybe all but a couple).
They arrest 192 people on charges related to capital murder.
Sounds like it was a turkey shoot opportunity for the local cops and they took advantage of it. Look how compliant all the bikers are in the photos. I doubt any of them shot at a cop. Well maybe one or two shot back after realizing they were being blasted by cops. In previous biker fights such as in Vegas when just a couple cops ran INSIDE the bar with weapons ready no one attacked a cop. I am not sure even a warning shot was required to stop those actively fighting.
So now 192 are charged with murder when it is clear most were not even fighting. It is going to easy to round up other groups who mass together as well. Especially those who protest should anyone "commit a crime". Brand them as potential terroist if needed and charge them based upon the act (or claimed act) of another.
The local cops say the bar should refuse entry to people who at that time had not commited a crime. Other places of business have tried to refuse groups of people (not individuals) and been sued by the goverment. The bar could refuse groups to wear "colors" inside and if the cops wanted to come inside and sit around it seems foolish not to have allowed this. If a group (gang) of minoriities wants to enter can they be turned away as undesirables based only upon the opinion of the business owner. (Try telling them to change how they might be wearing their cloths and see what happens.) A few businesses in south florida found they could not. Some closed for " == " spring break instead of letting the groups in as required and some tried to board up windows but were prevented from doing so.
The cops will try to avoid admitting how many they killed. They know the gangs are already aware and are afraid of retaliaton. If Texas follows through with the cops claims and convicts and executes all 192 will the typical anti Texans speak up?
This gives President PIMP a boner. Another threat he can use to extort protection money. Looks good for the anti-weapon crowd too.
I buy that this doesn't look quite right (take nothing for granted in Pimpland) but I don't buy that the bikers sitting calmly means anything. At that point the cops were there in force.
"Crisis Actors", probably from Craft International?
Maybe they just wanted some time in jail?
And Jade Helm begins in approximately 6 weeks in Texas ..Hmm...What a coincidence...
Guess SOCOM won't be kitted up like Outlaw Bikers for this 'blend-in undetected' op.
chumba what we have with you my friend is a failure to believe
what you see.
you may need to be fema camped for sight adjustment believe in saturn system.
listen 2 me
listen 2 me
you are feeling sleepy
the rabbi is good
the rabbi is good
Maybe these guys were doing a re-enactment of sons of anarchy?
MDB: I agree completely
We need to adopt modern day gun control laws
1) Good grip
2) Sight alignment
3) Sight picture, sight picture, sight picture
4) FOCUS on the front sight
5) Take up trigger slack (if any)
6) Smooth trigger pull all the way through.
7) Sweep side to side
8) Re-holster if clear.
2 in the chest, 1 in the head.
Gun Control = 2 bullets shot in the same hole. The Nuge
Gun Control Means Hitting your Intended Target, and Nothing Else...
Don't put the second round into the same hole, it just cauterizes the wound.
MDB: Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Last weekend alone Chicago had 40 injured and 1 dead all from gunshot. Apparently the only people in Chicago that apparently like strict gun laws are the gangs, thugs, hoodlums, robbers, felons and similar characters.
http://newsone.com/3115721/weekend-chicago-gun-violence-1-dead-40-injured/
Its obvious people that do 99% of gun related violence are all involved in criminal factions. So that's your target to disarm then I would expect gun violence would immediately drop by over 98%. Problem solved.. Good luck!!
Gun control - Taking guns out of the hands of the government.
at least 20 people SHOT and you compare rocks and bricks vs tanks in Baltimore whilst besmirching the POTUS. says more about you
The numbers prove vastly more people practice responsible firearms ownership than do not. Problem is we have grown men pretending to be Sons of Anarchy gang memebers. Grow up little boys.. ur actions have consequences. (Unlike Central Bankers)
Actually, SOA was pretending to be Bandidos..... These guys have been around, and been fierce for many decades. I live 10 miles away from where they were founded.
"...o be Sons of Anarchy gang memebers."
memebers, hmmm.
I like that word ;-)
- Ned
Idiots of all stripes will weed themselves out of the gene pool where firearms are concerned. You see the gang bangers doing this everyday, committing fully 75% of all violent gun crime in the US. But you'll never hear any stats on any violent crimes thwarted by responsible firearms owners, NEVER. It doesn't fit the fear narrative that was written by the liberal agenda decades ago. Yes, you might hear of the occasional human interest story about the mother who protected her kids from the child molester, or the older brother who protected his younger siblings from the same guy, but again, only if they can be sensationalized. No stats, no truth.
All of them
Always rushing to a judgement based up on the mass media info.
We do not know who did initiate this bikers war. All american domestic organizations are infiltrated with FBI, CIA, DOJ, Homeland, and other government agencies. May be the Obama administration and its handlers decided to get rid of these independent groups and its provocateurs deliberately initiated this biker war.
Remember the Waco I?
And that's why I am proud to be an American.
The europeans might start re-thinking their gun ownership laws in a few years. When the native europeans are a minority and the immigrant gangs start dispensing street justice at night. It won't be a pretty sight.
That would be now for chunks of Paris and Londinistan.
- Ned
Dear Phaggot Democrat Cocksucker.....(I know that is redundant)
Since you hate the Constitution so much, why don't you just leave?
It would seem the speech police who are incrementally swarming to ZH protest the use of 'nigger' more than 'Phaggot cocksucker'. Interesting. . .
Your make a great point for why all good law abiding men and women should be armed and trained.
I believe in gun control: keeping a mildly firm grip, with a sensation of pressure from the middle of the insides of your fingers against the front of the grip helps you manage recoil and place subsequent shots consistently on target.
On the other hand, a number of useless people have been extinguished at minimal cost. A win/win, I think.
You're a fucking punk-assed troll, and you know it. Gun crime has dramatically decreased during the past 40 years. Go look up the data for yourself in the event you're simply a ignorant heifer.
Chaos is the ticket for cleansing society ;)
@milliondollar: I'm having a very serious problem with your statement. Because of stuff like this: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-post...
Could you please provide your sources? Thanks. Peace, brother.
Hey asshole are you aware that if you dropped the thug infested blue cities of Detroit, St.Louis and NOLA from our statitics the U.S. would be almost at the bottom of the list of gun crime countries. Now run along and rub one out while staring at your wall sized Killary poster.
How many more people need to die before you accept basic modern-day gun control laws!??
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Well, how many bankers, pols, and bureaucrats are there? Just kidding you fcking NSA-Stasi Uncle Sam.
MillionDollarBonus = Ignorant Simpleton Fool who does not understand history at even a basic level.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
-Vladimir Lenin
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
- Benjamin Franklin
He's a MediaMatters troll.
Black/Browns account for 80% of homicides by gun. Feds and Co are too chickenshit to take those guns from the Cripps/Bloods civil rights orgs.
It's that and the fact that the MSM will NOT mention that demographic/racial breakdown of gun violence nor will they mention the race of the perpetrator in gun crimes UNLESS it is a white dude. (I say this as a generalization, which means not 100% of the time but a vast majority of the time) The liberal media is not interested in stopping gun violence, it is interested in gun control for the sake of political control.
The rest of the world is rioting more than us and is mostly in flames .the rest are looking at negative interest rates, threats of outlawing cash .they do t give a shit about us or our guns. Mostly .gov and its guns
I would respond with a question: How many more liberties are the Fedcoats going to kill before the eruption of large-scale guerilla war in the US?
Better to live free under constant threat than die a slave.
You're such an asshole lying prick..
Honest answer: 100 million minus the number killed in gun accidents and suicides that wouldn't have killed themselves using some other method. So roughly 99.9 million more. Why 100 millon? Because that is how many people were killed by their own governments in the 20th century because they had no way to defend themselves or rise up (which IS the reason we have the 2nd Amendment; It has nothing to do with hunting, sport shooting, etc. if Brittain would have had gun control laws America wouldn't exist as a nation).
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Step your game up
MDB, this has got to be one of the STUPIDEST things you have ever written. What color is the sky in your sick, ignorant little world?
I totally agree with this. Why, just the other day I was walking down the street when all of the sudden a 1928 caddilac sedan pulled up with four men hanging out of one side. They all had tommy guns and were blasting away at police officers carrying wooden crates. At first I thought they were just retaliating for Baltimore attrocities but then I smelled the distinct smell of rot-gut bathtub whiskey pouring from the crates. As it turns out, the coppers were paid security from a rival boss, Tommy Two Toes, to move illicit booze to a secret speak easy.
Me and my gal weren't scared though, she carries a .380 in her satchel right next to her cigarette holder and evening gloves and I keep my sidearm at my suspenders in my three piece.
Oh MDB, you certainly are a master baiter! No, really, I mean it. (snicker).
Wow, I don't think that I even ever got such a relentless beat down. I think you gots some leakage boo...;0
"If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because guns will be needed to disarm people. So it's not that you are anti-gun. You'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns. So you're very Pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous...) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions."
-Stefan Molyneux
Million Dollar Dick Face - if you are so ashamed of being an American and the premise for which it was found on, get the fuck out!!! Take your limp dick to Europa where many wish they had guns to take back their failed governments. so you go believing guns are bad, and sleep tight in your bed... you are the same type of pussy who wants others to bring guns when you get your ass in a jam, home invasion, et al. suck it bitch!!
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It's "non -existent for decades" then several million are cattle herded onto the edge of a ditch and cleansed because those several decades allow the slaves time to forget and gives rise to idiotic comments such as yours. Enjoy your last visual on earth, the bottom of your grave and be thankful and if you are a real sheep you won't shit in your Spider-Man underpants because you were warned.
Hey, bonus baby. If you are so adamant in your convictions, why don't you lead by example and place a large sign in your front yard (assuming you own a home) that reads;
"I AM THE PROUD OWNER OF THIS GUN FREE HOME"
Let us know how it works out. I am currently in Europe and frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a shit what they think. They have exported, deported, imprisoned, and enslaved their alpha males for so long that their gene pool has been reduced to a bunch of fairy, wormy, homo-pussies. Thankfully there are quite a number of alpha genes remaining for seed and maybe they will recover in time to overthrow their scumlords.
Gun crime exploding, you say? Just hide and watch.
Bullshit - Law enforcement number show it is down. It's only up in your excited mind.
CUNT
"How many more people need to die before you accept basic modern-day gun control laws!??"
What's the problem?
They killed each other! Less work for the police.
Statistics and citations please, unless you are up to your usual sarc.
well, dey ain' no such thang as d'stupid question...but in deese case I'da make d'ception...bah d'way, some yo' pemise totalee flod...splodin' mah a$$...skyrocket in yo' mind mebbe...
Gun usage is not an issue to TPTB, since the idiots are happy to take out each other or their places of shopping and drinking.
TPTB even know that Sheeple in 'Merica are the same as sheeple everywhere, and the same as in Greece or Ukraine: too uninformed, too malleable or too scared to openly direct their indignation towards the real culprits. Ditto for the millions of Arms owners, whose indignation, huffing and puffing (having but not using arms) acts as a nice Placebo and Pacifier. They are outlets for venting and substitutes for action, not action itself.
Reading and Blogging is a couple of notches up from staying uninformed and quiet, but it does not replace organized and relentlessly sustained action. It's a good place to start, but not acceptable as an End of itself. Just ask the Zionists and their many orgs and action groups.
TPTB are counting on Sheeple not getting organized and active, and will fully support any party or rhetoric that keeps it so. This includes faux libertarians who promote the self-limiting and very useful attitude of remaining the isolated dissenters, who inadvertently help keep Consumption going with their particular brand of niche consumerism (of Prepping and Prepping services).
Talk is cheap. Even money is cheap these day. But Actions speak louder than both.
"TPTB are counting on Sheeple not getting organized and active"
Au contraire, That is exactly what TPTB count on.
Then they infiltrate and hijack the organization and the message.
Or, failing that- they set them up for arrest, prison or death.
PS- What TPTB truly fear are non-allied or loosely allied individuals, acting on their own. No way to infiltrate. No way to hijack. No way to stop retribution.
Doesn't the CIA have a drone app for that? :)
Hey MDB and how many of the guns taken at this location by the popo were "registered" and legal. People like you want to disarm all "law abiding" citizens and leave these nice guys with the only guns. Talk about an idiotic position. Next time these guys get together at a local bar now, you make sure and cruise on in and say "hey". I would say anything about gun confiscation to them, but you will then be posting some nonsense about "bullying" and them being all "unfair".
I see MDB never tires of sucking the statist's flaccid member.
MDB...
How many more people need to die before you accept basic modern-day gun control laws!??
If it is a sincere question then the answer is simple.
All..I MEAN ALL...that will aggress upon anybody else's rights and liberties need to die before I will give up my weapons willingly.
mDB, what an incredibly ignorant statement. You have no idea what the forensics report will show as where the bullets came from. They might have all come from LE guns. Shall we disarm the police? Also, check the FBI statistics. You might be shocked to find out that violent crimes for the last 5 years have declined. That's NOT per capita, that's overall raw numbers making your statement that much more incredibly clueless. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/violent-crime-topic-page/violentcrimemain_final
Its way too late for gun control in the States.
Ironically, because of the plethora of guns in civilian's hands, it would be foolish for a man to give up his guns when so many others have theirs.
Not to mention the cops who re upped their firepower.
These gangs can't be that dangerous. Only a couple of dozen police officers took down hundreds of bikers.
I was taken aback at just how compliant were these otherwise very bad muthas .
All I can figure out is that if the cops were already there the bikers have an informer in their midst. I wouldn't be surprised if he started it.
Bingo. This looks like an assasination in the parking lot. Informer starts a fight in the restaurant or bathroom as has been mentioned. The fight moves outside.
The SWAT team is there waiting in the parking lot and kills 9 bikers then arrests the rest of them.
These weekend gang members who probably wanted to be suburban tough guys and ride with badasses are in a worrld of shit now.
Facing murder charges and I bet the wife back home will divorce the idiot. Hopefully all those crappy Harleys end up in a crusher.
This things smells like a set up to me.
Harleys will be sold at Asset Forfeiture Auction and the money will buy more toys for the cops.
You can use any crayon in the box, and either end of the crayon, to connect those dots.
The police are modern-day privateers(pirates).
Exactly Freddie.
I'll go even further. If there comes a time when there are mass protests in this country, this is exactly how they will go down. The groups will be infiltrated by under cover agents. One of them will start a fight or fire a shot, then pre-placed snipers will kill dozens and round everybody up for arrest. Having to defend themselves from a murder charge effectively destroys the whole organization.
Stay away from large groups. Work in small teams.
It worked for Honduras, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Ukraine...
You know, countries whose citizenry still retain a modicum of actual pride, and 'skin' in the game.
There aren't even any 'groups' left in this hellhole. We're going to skip the mass protest thing and go straight to slavery/anarchy.
As has been pointed out before, it's just dads and gramps waiting to get home to their bowls of chili, hot showers, and fat wives.
"One riot, one Ranger"
Yep, that little Christian family put up more of a fight. Bikers are bluffers for the most part, apart from the odd degenerate; confused ideas about masculinity crate a fantasy life of them and the majority of go back to their pussy-whipped lives as 9-5 wage slaves. grrrr
A couple dozen cops can take down 200 armed bikers, but it takes 3-6 cops to take down an unarmed negro?
That tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about the parties involved. The louder these Whiteys talk, the more arms they own, the more deluded and impotent they are.
There are days when I have more respect for gutsy Zio activists or fearless Muslim Freedom Fighters in MENA, than these noisy, hollow Good Ol' Boy (GOB). Courage is as courage does.
What the hell are cops getting in their business.
Let them fight it out. That's what bikers do.
All these post by usually pretty smart people and not one person mentions what looks like a setup.
Cops and restaurant knew in advance.
Fight breaks out in the restaurant. It spills out into the parking lot and the SWAT team greases 9 bikers and arrests the rest of them.
This looks like Waco 2 or a mass assasination to me.
The Bikers could of gone out in the desert and beat the snot out of each other. Noooo,let's go to a public venue.
You know they'll just release them after an extensive investigation, which a few people will go down for...
They have far too many alibis there..
22 officers present, and the police didn't make any video of what went down, or have security video of the restaurant, or from surrounding businesses?
another slaughter in Waco, the place where the fringe go to die.
waco a place for saturn satan energy extraction for the jewisher and the mason on earth a blood gift from the chosen to satan
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What drugs are you on? I need to take some in order to understand what you are writing.