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Even More Admitted False Flag Terror Incidents Come to Light
Every time we look, we find new admissions of false flag terror attacks.
In the following instances, officials in the government which carried out the attack (or seriously proposed an attack) admit to it, either orally, in writing, or through photographs or videos:
(1) Japanese troops set off a small explosion on a train track in 1931, and falsely blamed it on China in order to justify an invasion of Manchuria. This is known as the “Mukden Incident” or the “Manchurian Incident”. The Tokyo International Military Tribunal found: “Several of the participators in the plan, including Hashimoto [a high-ranking Japanese army officer], have on various occasions admitted their part in the plot and have stated that the object of the ‘Incident’ was to afford an excuse for the occupation of Manchuria by the Kwantung Army ….” And see this.
(2) A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.
(3) Nazi general Franz Halder also testified at the Nuremberg trials that Nazi leader Hermann Goering admitted to setting fire to the German parliament building in 1933, and then falsely blaming the communists for the arson.
(4) Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev admitted in writing that the Soviet Union’s Red Army shelled the Russian village of Mainila in 1939 – while blaming the attack on Finland – as a basis for launching the “Winter War” against Finland. Russian president Boris Yeltsin agreed that Russia had been the aggressor in the Winter War.
(5) The Russian Parliament, current Russian president Putin and former Soviet leader Gorbachev all admit that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered his secret police to execute 22,000 Polish army officers and civilians in 1940, and then falsely blamed it on the Nazis.
(6) The British government admits that – between 1946 and 1948 – it bombed 5 ships carrying Jews attempting to flee the Holocaust to seek safety in Palestine, set up a fake group called “Defenders of Arab Palestine”, and then had the psuedo-group falsely claim responsibility for the bombings (and see this, this and this).
(7) Israel admits that in 1954, an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this).
(8) The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.
(9) The Turkish Prime Minister admitted that the Turkish government carried out the 1955 bombing on a Turkish consulate in Greece – also damaging the nearby birthplace of the founder of modern Turkey – and blamed it on Greece, for the purpose of inciting and justifying anti-Greek violence.
(10) The British Prime Minister admitted to his defense secretary that he and American president Dwight Eisenhower approved a plan in 1957 to carry out attacks in Syria and blame it on the Syrian government as a way to effect regime change.
(11) The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this) (Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred). And watch this BBC special. They also allegedly carried out terror attacks in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the UK, and other countries.
False flag attacks carried out pursuant to this program include – by way of example only:
- The murder of the Turkish Prime Minister (1960)
- Bombings in Portugal (1966)
- The Piazza Fontana massacre in Italy (1969)
- Terror attacks in Turkey (1971)
- The Peteano bombing in Italy (1972)
- The Atocha massacre in Madrid, Spain (1977)
(12) In 1960, American Senator George Smathers suggested that the U.S. launch “a false attack made on Guantanamo Bay which would give us the excuse of actually fomenting a fight which would then give us the excuse to go in and [overthrow Castro]“.
(13) Official State Department documents show that, in 1961, the head of the Joint Chiefs and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. The plans were not carried out, but they were all discussed as serious proposals.
(14) As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in 1962, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.
(15) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States – such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica – and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.
(16) The U.S. Department of Defense even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: “The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro’s subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on Guantanamo.”
(17) The NSA admits that it lied about what really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 … manipulating data to make it look like North Vietnamese boats fired on a U.S. ship so as to create a false justification for the Vietnam war.
(18) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that – as part of its “Cointelpro” campaign – the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.
(19) A top Turkish general admitted that Turkish forces burned down a mosque on Cyprus in the 1970s and blamed it on their enemy. He explained: “In Special War, certain acts of sabotage are staged and blamed on the enemy to increase public resistance. We did this on Cyprus; we even burnt down a mosque.” In response to the surprised correspondent’s incredulous look the general said, “I am giving an example”.
(20) A declassified 1973 CIA document reveals a program to train foreign police and troops on how to make booby traps, pretending that they were training them on how to investigate terrorist acts:
The Agency maintains liaison in varying degrees with foreign police/security organizations through its field stations ….
[CIA provides training sessions as follows:]
a. Providing trainees with basic knowledge in the uses of commercial and military demolitions and incendiaries as they may be applied in terrorism and industrial sabotage operations.
b. Introducing the trainees to commercially available materials and home laboratory techniques, likely to he used in the manufacture of explosives and incendiaries by terrorists or saboteurs.
c. Familiarizing the trainees with the concept of target analysis and operational planning that a saboteur or terrorist must employ.
d. Introducing the trainees to booby trapping devices and techniques giving practical experience with both manufactured and improvised devices through actual fabrication.
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The program provides the trainees with ample opportunity to develop basic familiarity and use proficiently through handling, preparing and applying the various explosive charges, incendiary agents, terrorist devices and sabotage techniques.
(21) The German government admitted (and see this) that, in 1978, the German secret service detonated a bomb in the outer wall of a prison and planted “escape tools” on a prisoner – a member of the Red Army Faction – which the secret service wished to frame the bombing on.
(22) A Mossad agent admits that, in 1984, Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Gaddaffi’s compound in Tripoli, Libya which broadcast fake terrorist trasmissions recorded by Mossad, in order to frame Gaddaffi as a terrorist supporter. Ronald Reagan bombed Libya immediately thereafter.
(23) The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council found that, in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him “to participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating officer into the murder incident”, thus framing the ANC for the bombing.
(24) An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this video; and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian Defamation Suit Against Author).
(25) The United States Army’s 1994 publication Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces – updated in 2004 – recommends employing terrorists and using false flag operations to destabilize leftist regimes in Latin America. False flag terrorist attacks were carried out in Latin America and other regions as part of the CIA’s “Dirty Wars“. And see this.
(26) Similarly, a CIA “psychological operations” manual prepared by a CIA contractor for the Nicaraguan Contra rebels noted the value of assassinating someone on your own side to create a “martyr” for the cause. The manual was authenticated by the U.S. government. The manual received so much publicity from Associated Press, Washington Post and other news coverage that – during the 1984 presidential debate – President Reagan was confronted with the following question on national television:
At this moment, we are confronted with the extraordinary story of a CIA guerrilla manual for the anti-Sandinista contras whom we are backing, which advocates not only assassinations of Sandinistas but the hiring of criminals to assassinate the guerrillas we are supporting in order to create martyrs.
(27) An Indonesian fact-finding team investigated violent riots which occurred in 1998, and determined that “elements of the military had been involved in the riots, some of which were deliberately provoked”.
(28) Senior Russian Senior military and intelligence officers admit that the KGB blew up Russian apartment buildings in 1999 and falsely blamed it on Chechens, in order to justify an invasion of Chechnya (and see this report and this discussion).
(29) As reported by BBC, the New York Times, and Associated Press, Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the “war on terror”.
(30) At the July 2001 G8 Summit in Genoa, Italy, black-clad thugs were videotaped getting out of police cars, and were seen by an Italian MP carrying “iron bars inside the police station”. Subsequently, senior police officials in Genoa subsequently admitted that police planted two Molotov cocktails and faked the stabbing of a police officer at the G8 Summit, in order to justify a violent crackdown against protesters.
(31) The U.S. falsely blamed Iraq for playing a role in the 9/11 attacks – as shown by a memo from the defense secretary – as one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq war. Even after the 9/11 Commission admitted that there was no connection, Dick Cheney said that the evidence is “overwhelming” that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein’s regime, that Cheney “probably” had information unavailable to the Commission, and that the media was not ‘doing their homework’ in reporting such ties. Top U.S. government officials now admit that the Iraq war was really launched for oil … not 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction. Despite previous “lone wolf” claims, many U.S. government officials now say that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror; but Iraq was not the state which backed the hijackers. (Many U.S. officials have alleged that 9/11 was a false flag operation by rogue elements of the U.S. government; but such a claim is beyond the scope of this discussion. The key point is that the U.S. falsely blamed it on Iraq, when it knew Iraq had nothing to do with it.).
(32) Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country.
(33) According to the Washington Post, Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
(34) The well-respected former Indonesian president also admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings.
(35) Police outside of a 2003 European Union summit in Greece were filmed planting Molotov cocktails on a peaceful protester
(36) Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”
(37) Similarly, in 2005, Professor John Arquilla of the Naval Postgraduate School – a renowned US defense analyst credited with developing the concept of ‘netwar’ – called for western intelligence services to create new “pseudo gang” terrorist groups, as a way of undermining “real” terror networks. According to Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh, Arquilla’s ‘pseudo-gang’ strategy was, Hersh reported, already being implemented by the Pentagon:
“Under Rumsfeld’s new approach, I was told, US military operatives would be permitted to pose abroad as corrupt foreign businessmen seeking to buy contraband items that could be used in nuclear-weapons systems. In some cases, according to the Pentagon advisers, local citizens could be recruited and asked to join up with guerrillas or terrorists…
The new rules will enable the Special Forces community to set up what it calls ‘action teams’ in the target countries overseas which can be used to find and eliminate terrorist organizations. ‘Do you remember the right-wing execution squads in El Salvador?’ the former high-level intelligence official asked me, referring to the military-led gangs that committed atrocities in the early nineteen-eighties. ‘We founded them and we financed them,’ he said. ‘The objective now is to recruit locals in any area we want. And we aren’t going to tell Congress about it.’ A former military officer, who has knowledge of the Pentagon’s commando capabilities, said, ‘We’re going to be riding with the bad boys.’”
(38) United Press International reported in June 2005:
U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.
(39) Undercover Israeli soldiers admitted in 2005 to throwing stones at other Israeli soldiers so they could blame it on Palestinians, as an excuse to crack down on peaceful protests by the Palestinians.
(40) Quebec police admitted that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers (and see this).
(41) A 2008 US Army special operations field manual recommends that the U.S. military use surrogate non-state groups such as “paramilitary forces, individuals, businesses, foreign political organizations, resistant or insurgent organizations, expatriates, transnational terrorism adversaries, disillusioned transnational terrorism members, black marketers, and other social or political ‘undesirables.’” The manual specifically acknowledged that U.S. special operations can involve both counterterrorism and “Terrorism” (as well as “transnational criminal activities, including narco-trafficking, illicit arms-dealing, and illegal financial transactions.”)
(42) The former head of Secret Services and Head of State of Italy (Francesco Cossiga) advised the 2008 minister in charge of the police, on how to deal with protests from teachers and students:
He should do what I did when I was Minister of the Interior … infiltrate the movement with agents provocateurs inclined to do anything …. And after that, with the strength of the gained population consent, … beat them for blood and beat for blood also those teachers that incite them. Especially the teachers. Not the elderly, of course, but the girl teachers yes.
(43) At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament saw plain clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence.
(44) Egyptian politicians admitted (and see this) that government employees looted priceless museum artifacts in 2011 to try to discredit the protesters.
(45) Rioters who discredited the peaceful protests against the swearing in of the Mexican president in 2012 admitted that they were paid 300 pesos each to destroy everything in their path. According to Wikipedia, photos also show the vandals waiting in groups behind police lines prior to the violence.
(46) A Colombian army colonel has admitted that his unit murdered 57 civilians, then dressed them in uniforms and claimed they were rebels killed in combat.
(47) On November 20, 2014, Mexican agent provocateurs were transported by army vehicles to participate in the 2014 Iguala mass kidnapping protests, as was shown by videos and pictures distributed via social networks.
(48) The highly-respected writer for the Telegraph Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says that the head of Saudi intelligence – Prince Bandar – recently admitted that the Saudi government controls “Chechen” terrorists.
(49) High-level American sources admitted that the Turkish government – a fellow NATO country – carried out the chemical weapons attacks blamed on the Syrian government; and high-ranking Turkish government admitted on tape plans to carry out attacks and blame it on the Syrian government.
(50) The Ukrainian security chief admits that the sniper attacks which started the Ukrainian coup were carried out in order to frame others. Ukrainian officials admit that the Ukrainian snipers fired on both sides, to create maximum chaos.
(51) Britain’s spy agency has admitted (and see this) that it carries out “digital false flag” attacks on targets, framing people by writing offensive or unlawful material … and blaming it on the target.
(52) U.S. soldiers have admitted that if they kill innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, they then “drop” automatic weapons near their body so they can pretend they were militants
(53) Similarly, police frame innocent people for crimes they didn’t commit. The practice is so well-known that the New York Times noted in 1981:
In police jargon, a throwdown is a weapon planted on a victim.
Newsweek reported in 1999:
Perez, himself a former [Los Angeles Police Department] cop, was caught stealing eight pounds of cocaine from police evidence lockers. After pleading guilty in September, he bargained for a lighter sentence by telling an appalling story of attempted murder and a “throwdown”–police slang for a weapon planted by cops to make a shooting legally justifiable. Perez said he and his partner, Officer Nino Durden, shot an unarmed 18th Street Gang member named Javier Ovando, then planted a semiautomatic rifle on the unconscious suspect and claimed that Ovando had tried to shoot them during a stakeout.
Wikipedia notes:
As part of his plea bargain, Pérez implicated scores of officers from the Rampart Division’s anti-gang unit, describing routinely beating gang members, planting evidence on suspects, falsifying reports and covering up unprovoked shootings.
(As a side note – and while not technically false flag attacks – police have been busted framing innocent people in many other ways, as well.)
(54) A former U.S. intelligence officer recently alleged:
Most terrorists are false flag terrorists or are created by our own security services.
(55) The head and special agent in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by the CIA and FBI as false flags. Similarly, the director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom said:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
(audio here).
(56) Leaders throughout history have acknowledged the “benefits” of of false flags to justify their political agenda:
“Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death”.
– Adolph Hitler
“Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
– Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.
“The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
– Josef Stalin
Postscript: Private parties – such as NBC News, as well as Muslims, Jews, Scientologists, African-Americans and Neo-Nazis – play this game as well.
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7/7 Too recent to be addmitted to by govmnt official.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-77-london-bombings-and-mi5s-stepford-fo...
Fine by me, no admission of culpability required imo.
Slave morality be damned - the evidence is prima facie for a list even longer - perhaps an addendum is in order listing obvious, but as yet unadmitted false flags.
Of course, you could likely write an entire book if that was the criterion eh :)? Its like with the Bali deal - they basically admitted it and there is an abundance of circumstantial evidence, where does one even draw the line. I know people in the state dept who, to this day, will simply lie and say the gulf of tonkin signal data was credible - im not even sure if they are aware they are lying and just fooling themselves about NSA disclosure on that or what - but it shows the level of persistent demoralization that people can hold views that contradict even fully open admissions.
It would almost seem that these are the norm rather than the exception, no?
¡Si!
There are false flags, but the ones "admitted to" under torture (i.e. Nuremberg) are BS. The USSA and Israel are the biggest pranksters when it comes to deadly false flags. 911 was the most audacious of them all - waiting for the encore - perhaps a nuke in the Mall of America ? USSA better watch its back with Israel though, a tricky, deadly snake it is. "The Jewes Will Not Be Blamed for Nothing" (scrawled on the wall of a London building during Jack the Rippers rampage).
Nuremberg, which was a Jewish operation, was criticized by American judicial observers. The US Simpson Inquiry Commission reported among other things that of the 139 cases they had investigated, 137 witnesses had had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks received from the American War Crimes Investigating Team.
There are enough genuine false flags. Leave the National Socialists out of it. So much that we read about them is lies. (As a brave and charming 86 year old German lady tells us about the Holocaust:https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=585&v=WPa_QeV9KDM.)
"Nuremberg, which was a Jewish operation"
So was the Treaty of Versailles.
Douglas Reed who had been a very well respected journalist was disgusted by the Nuremburg farce and not because he sympathized with the Nazi death cult. He was villified and all but memory holed for his honest reporting and comments.
"False flags ... "admitted to" under torture (i.e. Nuremberg) are BS." --BlussMann
Sshhh! That's an unpopular implication you're making! According to an ABC News and Washington Post joint study last year, 59 percent of Americans believe torture of suspected "terrorists" is justified; Pew Research has that number at 51 percent, while CBS News registered 49 percent. If only an incumbent president could inspire such endorsement.
The CIA bombed Pearl Harbor (OK, the Germans did if you're an Animal House fan) and the moon landing was all staged in Hollywood. I get it now!!!!
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No, clearly you don't.
Pish posh...everyone knows Brian Williams grandfather provoked the Japanese attack by buzzing the emperors palace in his Curtis P-40! ;-)
a lot of americans thought the Germans were behind pearl harbor...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=61WMf6XRVT8C&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=mos...
most wars of course are based on deception, etc. etc. but the Committee on Public Information before ww1 was pretty much the other side of the Balfour Declaration, and as with Iraq, Zionist Jews were a large part of the pro-war advocacy - in both cases probably neccessary, but not sufficient for the ultimate American entry.
An uncomfortable, politically incorrect truth, but true nonetheless.
And yes - the petrodollar/central banking and juicy no-bids were also a major part and necessary. Cheney and his ilk are much more simple, money-driven creatures than the zioideologues embedded in the Pentagon were.
Iran is, of course, much the same.
Villification of the 'enemy', complete lies about motivation, aggressive acts meant to provoke a response that will be treated as an 'attack'... we keep going to the same fucking movie...
New Theory: Stupid cat videos are part of a clandestine plan that castrated American men.
Clearly the down votes suggests that folks missed the point. Our culture cares more about stupid cat videos than liberty.
Oh honey what to do until the masses get it?
And right now they do not;
Well, you could pretty much be born, live your entire life, and die. Then you could be reincarnated... rinse and repeat.
The founding fathers 'got it'.
When you have oligarchs usurp the government and maintain a large, standing army for no reason and nothing to do, the oligarchs will find (or invent) a reason and give them something to do. That is, until the time the oligarchs see fit to turn that army on it's own citizens to protect the oligarch's interests.
I'm not for getting rid of the standing army - it would be useless to even attempt such a thing. They're not the root of the problem.
There are way too many oligarchs who need they're fucking necks stretched, first. Then we can properly debate the merits of a large, standing army in modern times.
...Except many of the "founding fathers" were oligarchs. The purpose of the American Revolution was to seize control of the currency (and, naturally, taxation), thereby shifting the locus of plutocratic empire from that side of the pond to this side. A bangup job they did, I'd say, though it took most of the 19th century to seal the deal.
If the founding fathers were truly oligarchs, then they could have done far better in life by taking Britain's offers of monetary bribes, more colonial land grants and political positions as representatives of the colonies in British parliament. Instead, they all chose a path that branded them as treasonous rebels shunned by British merchants and made them start everything relating to government from scratch in the colonies.
A few died as relatively wealthy or powerful men, but most did not. If it was a power-grabbing attempt and a way to get rich exploiting tax revenue from the masses, then it was an absolute failure. They were rebelling by recognizing the burden of a yoke of an unjust government created and maintained by oligarchs in their (British) government. That's how they are like me and that's the spirit I read into the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the volumes of other writings they produced on the sublect.
Would they have produced the exact same thoughts and documents if they were all chicken farmers or blacksmiths? Probably not. Chicken farmers and blacksmiths revolutions, while well-intentioned, typically produce a power vacuum that simply attracts the next batch of oligarchs like a moth to a flame. The fact that the founding fathers recognized this as inevitable and pre-emptively addressed it (with various degrees of success) in the constitution is anti-oligarch enough for me.
they didn't want to pay their taxes - the same taxes people in britain had to pay to fund, in large part, the French and Indian wars that protected the colonies themselves.
Something like less than 10% of people wanted independence.
Those who did did so mainly out of self-interest - not all, but most. Sorry, but the idea that it was about "freedom" etc is up there with the civil war being about freeing the slaves - tales told to sixth graders to make their tests easy,.
"If the founding fathers were truly oligarchs, then they could have done far better in life by taking Britain's offers of monetary bribes, more colonial land grants and political positions as representatives of the colonies in British parliament."
This is a blatant failure in logic, and completely skirts the issue of Colonial Scrip vs Parliament's currency acts. The burgeoning merchant class of 18th Century America produced some of the finest leaders this country has ever seen, but let's not be naive in revising their core motivations. Re-work your above sentence, then start your response over. I'll check back to see if you've done so.
You do know how old they were when the revolution started, right? And surely you know what the life expectency was like back then?
I'll gladly reword my 'logic' when you give me names and circumstances of the specific oligarchs that used it as a power grab and made a fortune in their lifetime on Colonial Scrip or banking and had that in mind all along. Surely these bastards could print up all the scrip they wanted and become wealthy beyond measure. You must have some names. I think naming a dozen or so that were in on this scam and became rich on it would convince me that the American Revolution was a farce designed to enrich oligarchs here instead of the ones in Britain. I mean, there must be a record of the accumulation of all their ill-gotten fortunes, right? Or are you suggesting that the mere creation of Colonial Scrip was unnecessary and they had a better alternative at the time?
I don't worship my nation's founders as some kind of moral idols or saintly creatures. I'm merely impressed with one specific body of work they produced (and that 'armed revolt' thing). Who they were isn't nearly as important as what they did, so I'll happily concede that they were oligarchs motivated by greed if you can give me some names and evidence.
Amen. Thank you for that rebuttal. Let's see if he "checks back" with some answers.
To his point thought, 11b40 - I can't look through the lens of 200+ years of history and divine each and every one of their motivations. Even if they were all psychopaths and oligarchs - every last one - they at least fleshed out the idea that OTHER psychopaths and oligarchs would surely target the new U.S. federal government for exploitation. They started thinking about ways to prevent that or at least mitigate the effects (even if for entirely self-serving reasons). Freedom, liberty, blah, blah, blah are meaningless if you write flowery words about how we all should have them, but then allow the construction of the exact mechanisms that guarantees their destruction: an oligarch class above the law and an easily-usurped government.
Oligarchs and psychopaths sit around all day long scheming how to get more power and money. The current (usurped) forms of the law and the vote ensure they will continue to be able to exploit us THROUGH the government forever. The law and the vote as they exist today are our chains, not our solutions. I will never back down from that one. Starting from scratch and re-writing the constitution today wouldn't work - other psychopaths and oligarchs would make sure THEY were the ones drafting it and THEY were the ones approving it. Watching Ukriaine try to 'fix' itself through their corrupted law and voting process is the perfect example of the futility of that effort.
In one sense, the founding fathers had it easy - they could insulate themselves from the corrupting influence of Britain's (at the time) oligarchs and psychopaths - the Atlantic Ocean worked pretty well in that sense. We have no such insulation today - every aspect of the government is infested with them. The only solution seems to be eliminating them before starting from scratch. Woodchippers before wordsmithing. A new constitution wouldn't be perfect - it would only be better at defiing the enemy and guarding aginst exploitation of the state. And if nothing else, culling the current crop of psychopaths and oligarchs would level the playing field for a few years.
I am reminded of Ben Franklin's response when asked what kind of government they had given us.....a Constitutional Republic, if you can keep it. And one of my favorites is related to this discussion, too, to help flesh out the character and motivations of the great men who gave is this document.
“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”
? Benjamin Franklin
http://www.davidstuff.com/opinion/founding.htm
The manipulation of the public’s perception of people who question their motives and try and find out what they might do next is infuriating.
Another George Washington expose proving there is absolutely no evil in the world except for America, bankers and Jews.
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The idiot is in your mirror, and the "devine wind" you smell is coming out of your ass.
If you had bothered to read the article, you would know GW included many instances not related to Jews, bankers, or even America.
Let me guess - dual citizen banker?