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Someone Finally Read Obama's Secret Trade Deal And Admits The TPP "Will Damage This Nation"
There is a huge paradox surrounding what is supposed to be the crowning achievement of Obama's second term, the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), a bill whose contents virtually nobody is familiar with or will be before it passes into law.
That's not the paradox: the paradox is that back in October 2009, the White House Press secretary said that "the President has returned to a stance of transparency and ethics that hasn't been matched by any other White House.... the President believes strongly in transparency... that transparency in that way in the best policy."
Or to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."
And yet while everyone seems to have an opinion on the final formulation of the TPP bill, especially Elizabeth Warren and her circle of progressive democrats who have emerged as the bill's most vocal critics, the truth is that none have actually read it for the simple reason that anyone who is familiar with its text could be jailed for disclosing its contents.
Most transparent administration indeed.
We won't even comment that those who don't care to have their opinion made public and do have access to the bill have also not read the massive bill which layers giveaway upon giveaway to mega corporations: in fact the only ones who are intimately familiar with the TPP's contents are those who drafted it: America's multinational corporations whose shareholders will be the biggest beneficiaries of the TPP.
And yet someone appears to have finally read Obama's TPP: that someone is Michael Wessel, a cleared liaison to two statutory advisory committees and a commissioner on the U.S. Trade Deficit Review Commission, as well as the international trade co-chair for the Kerry-Edwards Presidential Campaign.
Earlier today, Wessel wrote an article in Politico titled "I’ve Read Obama’s Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned" which we agree with wholeheartedly because while one may or may not disgree whether the US economy will benefit from a trade agreement which anecdotally benefits large multinationals, it should be unanimous that America's transformation into a secretive, klepto-fascist state controlled by corporations is catastrophic for not only the republic but America's people, or at least those who are not among the 0.001% who stand to benefit from the TPP.
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From Michael Wessel, first posted in Politico:
I’ve Read Obama’s Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned.
"You need to tell me what’s wrong with this trade agreement, not one that was passed 25 years ago,” a frustrated President Barack Obama recently complained about criticisms of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). He’s right. The public criticisms of the TPP have been vague. That’s by design—anyone who has read the text of the agreement could be jailed for disclosing its contents. I’ve actually read the TPP text provided to the government’s own advisors, and I’ve given the president an earful about how this trade deal will damage this nation. But I can’t share my criticisms with you.
I can tell you that Elizabeth Warren is right about her criticism of the trade deal. We should be very concerned about what's hidden in this trade deal—and particularly how the Obama administration is keeping information secret even from those of us who are supposed to provide advice.
So-called “cleared advisors” like me are prohibited from sharing publicly the criticisms we’ve lodged about specific proposals and approaches. The government has created a perfect Catch 22: The law prohibits us from talking about the specifics of what we’ve seen, allowing the president to criticize us for not being specific. Instead of simply admitting that he disagrees with me—and with many other cleared advisors—about the merits of the TPP, the president instead pretends that our specific, pointed criticisms don’t exist.
What I can tell you is that the administration is being unfair to those who are raising proper questions about the harms the TPP would do. To the administration, everyone who questions their approach is branded as a protectionist—or worse—dishonest. They broadly criticize organized labor, despite the fact that unions have been the primary force in America pushing for strong rules to promote opportunity and jobs. And they dismiss individuals like me who believe that, first and foremost, a trade agreement should promote the interests of domestic producers and their employees.
I’ve been deeply involved in trade policy for almost four decades. For 21 years, I worked for former Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt and handled all trade policy issues including “fast track,” the North American Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization’s Uruguay Round, which is the largest trade agreement in history. I am also a consultant to various domestic producers and the United Steelworkers union, for whom I serve as a cleared advisor on two trade advisory committees. To top it off, I was a publicly acknowledged advisor to the Obama campaign in 2008.
Obama may no longer be listening to my advice, but Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren might as well be. Warren, of course, has been perhaps the deal’s most vocal critic, but even the more cautious Clinton has raised the right questions on what a good TPP would look like. Her spokesman, Nick Merrill, said: “She will be watching closely to see what is being done to crack down on currency manipulation, improve labor rights, protect the environment and health, promote transparency and open new opportunities for our small businesses to export overseas. As she warned in her book Hard Choices, we shouldn’t be giving special rights to corporations at the expense of workers and consumers.”
On this count, the current TPP doesn’t measure up. And nothing being considered by Congress right now would ensure that the TPP meets the goal of promoting domestic production and job creation.
The text of the TPP, like all trade deals, is a closely guarded secret. That fact makes a genuine public debate impossible and should make robust debate behind closed doors all the more essential. But the ability of TPP critics like me to point out the deal’s many failings is limited by the government’s surprising and unprecedented refusal to make revisions to the language in the TPP fully available to cleared advisors.
Bill Clinton didn’t operate like this. During the debate on NAFTA, as a cleared advisor for the Democratic leadership, I had a copy of the entire text in a safe next to my desk and regularly was briefed on the specifics of the negotiations, including counterproposals made by Mexico and Canada. During the TPP negotiations, the United States Trade Representative (USTR) has never shared proposals being advanced by other TPP partners. Today’s consultations are, in many ways, much more restrictive than those under past administrations.
All advisors, and any liaisons, are required to have security clearances, which entail extensive paperwork and background investigations, before they are able to review text and participate in briefings. But, despite clearances, and a statutory duty to provide advice, advisors do not have access to all the materials that a reasonable person would need to do the job. The negotiators provide us with “proposals” but those are merely initial proposals to trading partners. We are not allowed to see counter-proposals from our trading partners. Often, advisors are provided with updates indicating that the final text will balance all appropriate stakeholder interests but we frequently receive few additional details beyond that flimsy assurance.
Those details have enormous repercussions. For instance, rules of origin specify how much of a product must originate within the TPP countries for the resulting product to be eligible for duty-free treatment. These are complex rules that decide where a company will manufacture its products and where is will purchase raw materials. Under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), 62.5 percent of a car needed to originate within NAFTA countries. In the US-Australia Free Trade Agreement, it was lowered to 50 percent. It further dropped to 35 percent in the US-Korea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS). In essence, under our agreement with Korea, 65 percent of a car from South Korea could be made from Chinese parts and still qualify for duty-free treatment when exported to the U.S.
That fact is politically toxic, and for that reason, we should expect the TPP agreement to have higher standards. But will it reach the 62.5 percent NAFTA requirement? Or will it be only a slight improvement over KORUS? Without access to the final text of the agreement, it’s impossible to say.
State-owned enterprises may, for the first time, be addressed in the TPP. But, once again, the details are not clear. Will exemptions be provided to countries like Vietnam, Malaysia and Singapore, all of which could be heavily impacted by such a rule? What will be the test to determine what is or is not acceptable behavior? Will injury be required to occur over a substantial period of time, or will individual acts of non-commercial, damaging trade practices be actionable? Again, it’s impossible to say for sure.
Advisors are almost flying blind on these questions and others.
Only portions of the text have been provided, to be read under the watchful eye of a USTR official. Access, up until recently, was provided on secure web sites. But the government-run website does not contain the most-up-to-date information for cleared advisors. To get that information, we have to travel to certain government facilities and sign in to read the materials. Even then, the administration determines what we can and cannot review and, often, they provide carefully edited summaries rather than the actual underlying text, which is critical to really understanding the consequences of the agreement.
Cleared advisors were created by statute to advise our nation’s trade negotiators. There is a hierarchal structure, starting with the USTR’s Advisory Committee on Trade Policy & Negotiations at the top—a committee that includes people like Steelworkers President Leo Gerard, Mastercard CEO Ajay Banga, Etsy CEO Chad Dickerson and Jill Appell, co-owner of Appell’s Pork Farms. Then there are specific Committees covering subjects like labor, the environment and agriculture that make up the next tier. The last tier consists of the Industry Trade Advisory Committees (ITACS), which focus on individual sectors such as steel and aerospace. At last count, there were more than 600 cleared advisors. The vast majority of them represent business interests.
In an effort to diminish criticism, USTR is now letting cleared advisors review summaries of what the negotiators have done. In response to a question about when the full updated text will be made available, we’ve been told, “We are working on making them available as soon as possible.” That’s not the case overseas: Our trading partners have this text, but the government’s own cleared advisors, serving on statutorily-created advisory committees, are kept in the dark.
How can we properly advise, without knowing the details?
Questions pervade virtually every chapter of the proposed agreement, including labor and the environment, investor-state, intellectual property and others. The answers to these questions affect the sourcing and investment decisions of our companies and resulting jobs for our people. Our elected representatives would be abdicating their Constitutional duty if they failed to raise questions.
Senator Warren should be commended for her courage in standing up to the President, and Secretary Clinton for raising a note of caution, and I encourage all elected officials to raise these important questions. Working Americans can’t afford more failed trade agreements and trade policies.
Congress should refuse to pass fast track trade negotiating authority until the partnership between the branches, and the trust of the American people is restored. That will require a lot of fence mending and disclosure of exactly what the TPP will do. That begins by sharing the final text of the TPP with those of us who won’t simply rubber-stamp it.
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And then, moments ago: OBAMA SAYS HE'S `PLEASED' WITH DEAL IN CONGRESS ON TRADE
It almost makes one wonder just whom does "elected" government represent...
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everyone please repeat after me : CLOWARD PIVEN STRATEGY. ( please google it if not familiar, thank you ! )
So if this is in print, its probably already passed? Or how would we know?
Can the Congress even pass a bill without divulging its contents to their constitutents ahead of time?
Congress = a special interest clearinghouse, and nothing more.
Congress = a special interest whore house
Safe driving, Michael Wessel.
This is obviously a Clinton campaign piece.
Fear Porn =
Someone Finally Read Obama's Secret Trade Deal And Admits The TPP "Will Damage This Nation"a surprise IRS audit arrives in Mr Wessel's mailbox in 3 ... 2 ... 1 . . . . . .
Well all I know is why make expensive new Treaties if you never keep them in the first place, unless it is a total Fraud meant to transfer wealth and power to the few Wealthy.
RENUNCIATION OF WAR
RENUNCIATION OF WAR^
Treaty providing for the renunciation of war as
an instrument of national policy.
Signed at Paris August 27, 1928.
Entered into force July 24, 1929.
46 Stat. 2343; TS 796; 2 Bevans 732; 94 LNTS 57.
Parties
Afghanistan
Albania
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Austria
Barbados
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Brazil
Bulgaria
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Czech Republic
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Latvia
Liberia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Norway
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Saudi Arabia
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
Turkey
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
United Kingdom
United States
Venezuela
Yugoslavia
Impressive. You have the longest comment by height on ZH ever. Good on you, hope you got it out of your system, thank goodness most others excercise better judgement and restraint.
The mere fact that the TPP has been barred from public debate has already harmed the nation.
The deal itself could be the best thing since sliced bread and I'd vote it down just because of how it's being pursued. This is Obamacare all over again, except this time they're not even going to discuss it.
Personal freedom of choice has been proven a failed model.
Every time humanity is given a bad choice as the alternative, they always take it. Our elected politicians show undeniable proof.
The ruling elites do not have to look far to verify their belief that we are stupid sheep that require leading. The world will change for the better when we can actually learn to choose intelligently. Until then, we will have THIS.
I'm tired of people demanding to not be treated like sheep and then proceeding to act as sheep. Waiting for some hero, some savior to drop in from the heavens to show us the light. We are fucking BLINDED by the light and still cannot see. Anyone who would be stupid enough to actually inform us, to show us the way, would be nailed to a cross. It's happened many times before.
We are no way near ready to hear the truth. We are still in denial about our reality, our true circumstances, and will fight to the death to prevent reality from entering our awareness. The Greeks are showing us the way to suicide through denial.
I cant help to think gay porn is involved.
Oh, there's some fuckin going on....
I wish someone in Congress would read the Constitution.
They read it, buried it and only speak of it in casual passing as some fond remembrance. It offers no utility value in their pursuit of power. It is now a "living" document that will be used in some monstrous form to eat us alive
I wish US citizen peasants would read contract law...
You'd think a financial website for the people would talk of the TPP's attempt to ban public banks
https://youtu.be/llbzUyv1CLU
Contract Law? Read this ....
As one Florida appellate court stated in 2013, there is no consideration of the “mind” when it comes to determining whether there was a “meeting of the minds,” even when the party seeking to avoid the contract “could not possibly have understood” it. Spring Lake NC, LLC v. Holloway, 110 So. 3d 916, 917 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2013). In Spring Lake NC, LLC v. Holloway, a 92-year-old woman with a fourth-grade education became a resident at a facility that provides physical, occupational, and speech therapy. 110 So. 3d at 917. The woman signed, among other things, an arbitration agreement before becoming a resident. The trial court found (and the appellate court agreed) that the woman “could not spell well and often had to sound out words while reading” and that “[s]he had memory problems and was increasingly confused.” Id. Further, the trial court found “that the contracts were so complex that she could not possibly have understood what she was signing.” Id.
When the woman’s estate brought suit against the rehabilitation center for her allegedly wrongful death, and despite the obvious inability of the woman to understand what she was signing, the trial court did not declare the woman incompetent or incapacitated. But, because of her shortcomings, the trial court held that no “meeting of the minds” had occurred.
On appeal, the Florida Second District Court of Appeal enforced the arbitration agreement. The court explained that it was following established Florida precedent holding that there is a presumption of competence and that two signatures create a contract absent undue influence (including being prevented from reading the contract). Among precedent relied on by the court was an intermediate court ruling that the fact that the plaintiff was legally blind when she signed an agreement did not make the agreement invalid. See Estate of Etting ex rel. Etting v. Regents Park at Aventura, Inc., 891 So. 2d 558 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004). In other words, only if you are prevented by the other party from reading the contract can your claim that you did not read the contract (even if you are physically or mentally incapable of doing so) prevail.
Wrong, dumb ass. NOTHING SECRECT IS EVER GOOD. That should be obvious to a 3 year old, who's pretending she didn't break mom's vase. The treaty is yet another sell out to special interests. That is dot gov's only purpose. Red, blue - it's all the same.
Nothing good at all...except the demonstration of our foolishness. They are keeping it secret because they know it will work. Sure, a whole bunch (if not all) of us will be fucked in the deal, but we will accept it and after a few years we will be looking for someone else to blame it on. We have set here and watched NAFTA and GAAP and all the rest put in place WHILE we continued to lose jobs and we just keep blaming the corporations. Sure some of them were behind this and have profited greatly, but it is our government that made these laws and we have just set back and allowed it all to happen.
A simple thing we could have done, that required no laws or politicians to act, no corporate largess or charity, but simple individual acts...was to refuse to buy imports. Imported manufactured goods, imported labor in the form of illegals and H1B visa. We know where this shit is coming from, just like we know for the most part what is in the foods that make us fat...and we do it anyway. Now we don't have the choices. We have few American made goods to buy. And we still blame others because they lied to us. BIG FUCKING DEAL!! They have ALWAYS LIED to us. We were supposed to learn better, or at least that's what my parents taught me. Of course they grew up in the depression and WWII and knew what liars really looked like and what the effects of believing them brought.
We still want to believe in something for nothing. That we can make a living by buying stocks low and selling them to some greater fool high. That we can buy cheap imported goods and never lose our job! We are fucking geniuses I say! And lets just eat all the crap in the world and grow fatter, put all of our info on the net and bitch about privacy and then converse amongst ourselves about how damned much smarter we are than everyone else, cause we can work our I-phone.
+100
Quit blaming the corps, banks, government and start looking in the mirror.
Way to go, Oldwood.....you are on a roll!
The mere fact that the TPP has been barred from public debate has already harmed the nation.
Well of course. The mere fact that it is a secret prevents us from advising our "elected represnetatives" how we would like them to vote on it, rendering it void. Any attempt to enforce any treaty thus passed should be met with whatever resistance proves necessary. Lex Mala, Lex Nulla.
Secrets are what your pedophile uncle wants you to keep. Like Obamacare, anything that's kept so close to the government's vest is bound to be a total disaster for the country. If it were good for us they'd let us see it.
Miles, have you seen some of Radical's missives? Impressive in both length and content.
Arg. Dup.
DHS is the operative agency for ferret`ting-out'd 'those-against-us'
Bush #43 and Tom Delay!
Fear Porn =
3rd ex wife
rolling down the drive way
Don't do any recreational nail gunning this weekend
Many of us have labored under the illusion that we could compete, that we could work harder and smarter to excel. We now realize that our trade is not fair and will never be because the rules are designed in the favor of only those few at the top who can buy influence. The notion was sold to us years ago that what was good for GM was good for America, and there was a time when that was likely true. But not today. The interests of big corporations are their own, not anyone else's, much less America. We have watched as America has been damaged and disparaged by those who would quickly sell us down the river for another few dollars. American corporations care not about the people's prosperity. They no longer see our earning ability as relevant given the government's continuous debt backing to facilitate "stimulating" us to spend. Most large corporations have moved past the production theme and are quickly passing the service theme, all going to "financialization" as their primary industry. The simply movement of money and the transaction fees it generates. They don't need people for that and barely need customers. They can just keep selling and buying financial instruments, and our government will do everything they can to prevent it from collapsing.
And if all else fails, they can require by law that we buy their shit. They already circumvent capitalism via government contracts = collusion theft. This is also why there is no more customer service, their profits do not hinge on pleasing the customer, we are forced to buy pleased or not.
day late and a dollar short Ken --- You have to buy auto insurance and health insurance and fire innsureance and etc etc ---your required buy law to buy their shit or not live, work, or pursue happiness.
That was my point Sherlock.
WRONG --- you don't have to buy any of that ..... what a uninformed thing to say.
don't buy a car - no car insurance.
Don't buy health insurance... pay BarryO's tax
Don't have a mortgage...no homeowners insurance neede !!!!
Do you think that any trade deal, that the government would have to negiotiate in SECRET, was going to benefit the public?
If you can sell me something on the benefits, why use fraud?
The one that I can see them doing it for (a secret negiotiation) would be the Iran deal. I bet you CONgress wanted it that way, to keep AIPAC off their asses.
If you don't think AIPAC and friends can ruin your day, ask the Tyler's and their implementation of the Cheesepope Rule.
pods
Exactly, just like fascism/communism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.
This TPP is about multi-national corporations and their interests.
Our Congress is completely corrupt and compromised.
Loss of sovereignty probably dates to 1913, if not before.
It dates back to The Act of 1871 that created the Criminal 10 square mile of the District of Criminal & the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.
We, through our Silence, Ignorace & CONSENT via Taxes are accessories to the Criminal Fraud.
Bankruptcy of U.S in 1933 & State of Emergency, War Powers & Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917
The United States went "bankrupt" in 1933. [President Roosevelt Executive Order 6073, 6102,6111, 6260; Senate Report 93-549, pgs. 187 & 594, 1973]. In 1950, declared "bankruptcy and reorganization." Secretary of Treasury appointer receiver in the bankruptcy [Reorganization Plan, No. 26, 5 U.S.C.A. 903; Public Law 94-564; Legislative History, Pg. 5967
To reinerate,
The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Is Bankrupted. The Emergency Banking Emergency Act of 1933 put the Bankrupted US into receicership to the IMF, World Bank & BIS.
Criminal. 14th Amendment made "Citizen" Slaves out of every single man, woman, child & future childdren. All assets, land (making Americans Tenants on our own soil) labor, future labor & American Souls Aka birth certificates were securized & put up as collateral to pay back a Criminal Loan the BANKSTERS know can never, ever be paid back.
In addition, the Act made de facto all "Citizen" Slaves Enemies of the newly formed Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.
The TPP is so filled with awesomely awesome goodness it has to be kept a state secret by The One AND THE SENATE (I'm looking at you McConnell, you fucking traitor) or we'd all be faintng dead away in the streets filled with ecstasy in our final moments!
We simply must pass it to find out whats in it!!!
Now where have I heard that last line before? ;-)
Where did the IMF and WBG find 1.21 gigawatts and a Delorean?
Interesting to note that the TPP is secret among all 12 nations involved with it ...... and nobody complaining.
"No complaining"... that the corporate media will report.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. Title 28
Section 3002 15a, b, and c, under U.S. Code, was established under treasonously signed ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION, on February 21st, 1871 by THE CROWN CORPORATION, now known as THE IMF. Our old capital city, Washington city, was also sold to them that day. Thus, we have never had any say in the CORPORATION that is posing as the governing seat of our nation.
In 1939, they began the BERTH/BIRTH CERTIFICATE/MOTHER BOND SCAM on WALL STREET. The catch with these "human enslaving stocks" is that the owners of these human enslaving MOTHER bonds cannot collect on the bonds, until their supposed HUMAN PRODUCTS are dead!
Does anyone besides me see the conflict in this statement:
"And they dismiss individuals like me who believe that, first and foremost, a trade agreement should promote the interests of domestic producers and their employees.
I’ve been deeply involved in trade policy for almost four decades. For 21 years, I worked for former Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt and handled all trade policy issues including “fast track,” the North American Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization’s Uruguay Round, which is the largest trade agreement in history."
Can anyone point out how NAFTA in anyway helped domestic producers and their employees? (I'm assuming he means US domestic employees).
It allowed producers to keep "made in amerika" stickers while assembling Mexican parts?
DWI lawyers from the "south of the border" crowd?
ESL teachers?
idk, kind of thinking out loud because you seemed kind of serious chubbar.
pods
It removes "made in america" stickers.
No more country of orgin, no more product discloser. You just wont know or be able to find out what that product your buying is or how it got there.
It takes money to make money. Like if you earn 3% on a Million dollars, you wish it was more but you are happy.
It takes money to make a Trade Agreement. You cut American Labor, cut your Benefit Costs, Cut your older workers near retirement, you cut your building space in expensive US Real Estate, Cut your property taxes, cut employment taxes,... well you are real happy if you can go off shore or transfer technology offshore and buy materials and supplies for dirt cheap.
But for Employees and those that thought they would get a Retirement for their cheap wages... No you are not happy. You feel Betrayed.
Can Corporations, Foundations, Think Tanks be patriotic, be Loyal to the Community..? Maybe But they don't go to war, put on a uniform, get shot at or bombed, they can't give their life because they are fictions on paper.
Will Wealthy always act with Patriotism or even part time if they have a 'profit motive', 'wealth preservation motive', or a 'Cost Cutting Motive'? I doubt it.
- Money Rules this Capitalist World, Treaties are probably always about honoring debts, bank debts, and business & trade which makes few at the top Richer
Especially considering there are almost no domestic producers left, they have no loyalty to America.
I can tell you that Canada wasn't allowed to see the NAFTA trade deal before it was voted on.....and the PTB inadvertantly screwed themselves in that " Once a product was commoditized, the gov lost all control of any national favoritism / control of the commodity". Well, we figured out this included our freshwater...and guess what? The CDN people said "Keep your NAFTA, we'll never allow fresh water to be commoditized ...and thats how it has been ever since. We'd like to help out California, but theres a poison pill .
Tough luck ....for all of us....but we still have our fresh water.
CHEERS!
Strangley it seems that US Ignores some Trade and Treaties. It seems like it enforces crazy ideas, but gets them from reading the list of Treaties.
Like this one. Why doesn't the USA interfere with Israel wars on Palestinians when it has a mandate to do so.
PEACEKEEPING
(See also PEACEKEEPING under EGYPT;
ISRAEL; and MULTINATIONAL FORCE
AND OBSERVERS in Section 1)
PEACEKEEPING ^
Agreement concerning United States participa
tion in the Multinational Force and Observers
established by Egypt and Israel. Exchanges of
letters at Washington August 3, 1981.
Entered into force August 3, 1981.
TIAS 10556.
Parties
Egypt
Israel
United States
This is what Wikileaks is for. Thing is, I can imagine that each copy of the TPP provided to the "advisors" is probably modified slightly so that if there is a leak, they will know exactly who did it.
This is why someone like the author needs to just be man and American enough to come out, disclose it, and demand a firing squad. The wikileaks stuff seems nice but in reality it can be harmful in that it seems nobody is brave enough to face the punishment and become a martyr. It is hard to stop a martyr.
But easy to bury.
Yeah, I had a fantasy today with a motorcycle cop under I-75 looking for people not wearing seatbelts (I know, I return to the seatbelt example often for a reason) I passed him, he looked at me and I GLARED at him but he couldn't see me behind the tint.
I watched in my rear view mirror as some poor construction type worker in a much lesser truck than I (with no tint, just trying to get by, just make a living) got pulled.
I'm not going to elaborate on my fantasy and no one will ever know if it ever comes true.
Except me ;-)
It takes a special kind of stupid to voluntarily give Obama more power. Of course, maybe its treason,not stupidity.
Regardless it's corruption.
Not so Fast? Alas, the United States citizen'ship[?] [constituents] can go totally rabid regarding this particular 'POS'... TPP trade bill?
The MSM is against them but the, 'free-to-inform-yourselves', is still a superior democratic tool to make change happen!
The people still have a voice... believe it or not?!?
jmo
Did you miss the quote about having to pass a bill so we can find out what's in it?
Apparently.
I bet what's in printed now is only a portion of what's really in it, just in case it leaks. Real bill will be much much worse.
Plus, it all about the regulations, not the laws. Unelected bureacrats will make it even worse.
Like Obummercare?
Gruber?
Gruber?
Gruber?
Ocare passed that way ? so if you can be jailed for exposing whats in it does that tell you where we are at in USSA today ? Rather obvious all of congress are afraid of their own shadows and the illusions are unravelling quickly !
NAZIs are in charge !
Congress persons not allowed to reveal the text is BS. US Constitution, Article 1, Section 6 "The Senators and Representatives..be privileged from Arrest...for any speech or debate in either House..."
reaper, you missed the executive orders issued by presidents current and past..the legal system and .gov has been overthrown ..that is the only explanation..one of the orders was no one was to let the american public know the consitution was nullified..IRS FED INCOME TAX..to wide open borders and constant war can only be explained by the overthrow of the republic. why do we need a body search for air travel or the damn TSA and Homeland sec dept?? how do you say homeland in german?
then why do they have to go to a secret high security room and sign special documents to read it ? you are either naive or just stupid ? I have no idea which or how much . or maybe just an Obama sucker ?
Perhaps, you could provide the section of US Code, aka US law, that requires this? Perhaps, you trust what they tell you? Perhaps, you're their sucka.
i direct you to the ACA...aka OBAMACARE....which they had to pass to see what was in it.
divulge contents to their constituents......lmao
If a bill before the Congress has not been placed in public before their constituents for the opportunity for feedback to their congressman or senator prior to them casting their vote, their constituents have effectively been denied representation-in which case that should nullify the vote of that member of Congress
Too bad we live in an Idiocracy, and 90% don't know what the fuck you just said.
Someone needs to pull an Obama and dare to be prosecuted. Read the TPP, steal the copy, outline in great detail how it undermines our country, daring to be put in jail, and in the same breath demand that Obama be placed in custody for executive overreach and crimes of the state. It would be worth every penny of time spent in jail, and the outcry by the public would demand the congressman be released. Corruption needs to be shouted from the rooftops at this point.
F&*&king Bankers...
Bad for America and good for the ZWO gods on earth who run the place just like every other thing that happens.
The ZWO banksters are in charge [read the protocols]
The politico class are puppets.
You are a slave.
We are all going to be used until we're used up.
It's all just a PTB tactic to prepare us for a Elizabeth Warren presidency...
So Wessel is OK with NAFTA but the TPP is not good? What a hypocrite
Despite the apparent irony, this should be a very worrisome indication of just how bad it really is.
Wessel states again and again that Obama has a mind of his own and opinions of relevance. That's how you know he's part of the theater. Everyone knows Obama is a mindless meat puppet in a suit. He reads the words his masters put on the teleprompter and he does what he's told.
Yup. This TPP thing is just the toilet-paper wrap on the turd that is Obama, to be flushed when convenient to ring in the NWO.
It is no coincidence that this guy/America is being made to look like absolute rakish fools in every single endeavor that this (and previous) administrations took part in over the last couple decades. Make the 'bad guys' look like imbeciles' gussy up the eastern psychopaths to look like the lessor of two evils, then pull the trigger and take Obama/'Murica down...
...then hand it over to the UN for safekeeping. I see UN troops in our near future, here under the guise of 'rebuilding 'Murica' and reinstalling the constitution...while the entire country gutters and burns.
This would make a good movie, wouldn't it? Oh wait...it's been done before...never mind.
Then you must start to understand what things will be the most strategic to take and hold in the event of a collapse. What would stop the blue helmets in their tracks?
7.62 x 54.
.308.
30-06.
Those are three just off the top of my head...
I prefer the Norte Korea approach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw
I am slightly familiar with the leftist Cloward-Piven strategy of the late 60's, early 70's whereby it was thought by flooding local welfare with compensation raises to the impoverished it would stretch the system and force the Feds to give a minimum salary to every American citizen who had no means.
A crazy leftist plan to give away but, you know , it makes more sense today.
If you are a loser, disabled,unemployed, in social housing,single mom, no socialwoker, no unemployument office,no EBIT, no Obama phone, Medicare et al you would be given a poverty level (around $20k per?) salary, payment ; period. No more paperwork,no more checking housing or see how you are 'socialising'- figure life out yourselves, here's your resource, period. Good fucking luck.
If the govt did that they could close all the social programs and their contingent bloated bureaucracy,pensions,health care, office space and pay only once for the lower classes.
It doesn't seem as bad as it did 40 years ago.
It is a depressing measure how far the Western world has fallen in the intervening 40 years.
No, implementing a minimum salary from .gov was not the point at all. That is a means to an end. The end is full marxism.
Dare one say that any authoritarian could adapt that tactic to his/her/their own ends - it could be fascism/NWOism/whateverism.
Dup
....whaaaaaaaaat??? the fudgepaker wouldactually do something to hurt or damage or undermine Amerika??? Nah... no way....
Clinton could sell ice to an Inuit, Obama is not that talented of a liar, so everything's a secret. This would never happen in a free country, I can't believe we lay down for this shit!
Cloward and Piven if those two bastards are still alive need to have their skin sandpapered off and buried in salt. If they are dead, they need to be dug up, ground up into powder and mixed into the food of the elected ruling political elite turds....
Cloward Piven Strategy --- you really are a complete moron, aren't you (rhetorical question, f**kwit, no need to answer)?
Yup, Old Wall Street Super Stooge, Prez Obama, is working towards fulfilling FDR's New Deal?
Riiiiiigggggghhhhhtttt, as serial drugging/rapist Bill Cosby would say.
This is the final switch on the Great American Leveraged Buyout: loading America with debt while offshoring as many jobs as possible, along with technology and investment, leading to the dismantling of the US economy.
Classic pump and dump strategy, fool.
What this does is allow for the external dismantling of the few remaining rights in America: workers' rights, food safety regulation (right not to be poisoned for money), environmental safety standards, workers' safety standards, etc., etc., etc.
It is much the same as Obama's ACA: all types of abortions covered under it, ergo should be a forward step for women's control of the bodies, or self-sovereignty, then at the same time the neocons vote against all forms of abortion!
Naaah, has nothing to do with Cloward Piven, douchey!
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/05/19/trade-expert-and-tpp-whistleblower-we-should-be-very-concerned-about-whats-hidden-in-this-trade-deal/
waiting for this asshole to "have" his computer hacked.
This guy acts as if NAFTA was a good deal. This article has 'Clinton' written all over it.
Twisted, no?
Twisted, si.
Twisted, hai.
Twisted, tea.
He doesn't care. He'll be gone by the time the effects kick in just like when Bush went out during the TARP deals.
he might be gone...and he might not.
Jesus fucking Christ. Don't tell me this is another Obama Third Term rant. TPTB don't need him anymore than they need any other specific individual for longer than it takes to further their agenda. Polyarchy is the new monarchy.
Definite +1 for that.
Anyone thinking he is going to stay does not know who really runs things.
Elections are for OUR benefit.
Just not in the way that most think.
pods
Why do you assume that he would never want to take it all for himself? Never heard of greed or revolt?
Greater power devours lesser power. The problem is your misplacement of Obama on this food chain.
Obama adds value to the cause that they will never get from Hillary. A clean, well spoken black man. Sure they can get by with someone else, but who. Hillary is wretched and they all know it. We have been conditioned that it is racist to criticize Obama. Even Fox news has figured it out as they got rid of all of their outspoken conservatives and hard line critics of Obama. Bill was teflon, but even he could not slide past Barry.
Yes, its a long shot, but not one to be discounted too seriously. A lot of shit can happen before Nov 2016.
Not to mention that they really don't care about what we think anymore. Elections WERE about our perceptions of choice and control, but they have busily trampled all over that notion for the last five years. There is no one who thinks were have a REAL choice. We are now all just hoping for something for nothing or to not be fucked too terribly badly by all of this. Boomers hoping to coast out with their shorts on and the young ones just busily plying games with their I-Phone, not giving one fuck about whats going on...other than to get next year's student loan approved. The number of people planning on paying off their student loans is about equal to those who plan on getting ahead by working their ass off.
Hillary must be supreme ruler. Nothing else makes sense (given current context of course).
The goal of many presidents is to finish the prerequisite 2-terms so you can charge $500k per speech.
New to the world of finance, huh?
(Thought so . . .)
Now take a close look at the amount of money each president has raised for their presidential libraries --- now take a close look at each president's net worth after about one year out of the White House.
Note the similarity of those two numbers?
No different than school systems and other entities signing incredible loans with nuclear balloon-style terms that trigger some 15-20 years out from now. The adminstrators know they will be retired and gone by then. I suspect the banks are thinking the same (e.g. that it won't matter by then anyhow).
If you have read it and you won't say what's in it even though you know it is damaging to the people inside the borders of the United States of America, then you don't deserve to be jailed, you need to be tried for teason and executed.
Almost like they aren't even working for us isn't it?
pods
"Senator Warren should be commended for her courage in standing up to the President, and Secretary Clinton for raising a note of caution, and I encourage all elected officials to raise these important questions."
Sellout basted cawksvcker, helping other sellouts sellout the nation yet again.
TPP should be the first bill whose text is never made public. It exists, for the greater good of everyone, but knowning what's inside warrants death!
Why not try and execute the people with the guns pointed at the people who read the TPP but are being blackmailed to not say anything?
Not that the people who read it and are afraid to say anything don't in all likelyhood deserve punishment, but in this case, the main culprit is the one holding (directing) the guns.
why cant he tell you about his critIcisms?????
cause he's a fucking coward....
NO EXCUSES.
Snowden. He was a rare breed.
exactly what I was thinking +3000
Edward Snowden?
Oh, you mean that brave fellow who Hillary Clinton claimed was a traitor, while Hillary Clinton was having a private email server installed at her home to handle her government emails?
Around the very same time H.Clinton was evangelizing for the full spectrum surveillance on the populace by NSA.
I have read and studied portions of the TPP, released or leaked by WikiLeaks.
And people wonder why American elites have worked to keep Julian Assange contained?
Savage (Michael) was calling OBIE The great satan and playing clips of his deviscive speeches. was loving it on my way to KFC....
The very fact that our "representative" government is passing legislation that they cannot disclose to us is simply further confirmation of the facist/crony state we have. Remember this, and all, vote(s) in congress as these records will be essential for the coming retribution.
They know exactly what they're voting on and why.
What's the problem?
The problem is that their outcome is not in the best interest of the republic. Certainly not the interests of the retired or disabled. I suggest you get use to cat sooner, rather than later.
I thought it was an unconstitutional oligarchy myself, the republic didn't
make it past the Sedition act.The founders were the oligarchs of their time.
Between this and the U.N summit to be held in September we will unfortunately be under complete control of international unelected globalist corporations and even sadder is that nothing at all will be done to stop it. Enjoy your freedom while you can its certainly soon to end
Russian world:
https://youtu.be/dKWk1Lp3nd8
Want to live in that?
What the fuck does this have to do with the topic JackAss?
He's just looking for another potato.
Well, since he cannot make the interest payments soon, let alone the principle payments to China, do all the deals you would like. I buy domestic as much as possible so good luck!
transparent
as a kilo bar of silver...
Admits The TPP "Will Damage This Nation"
No shit, and anyone who can't see that it's been his primary objective since taking office is fucking blind.
"No he just keeps making bad decisions because he wants to be liked"
-Dumb fucks who still think this nation has a chance.
Even the pathetic f**kwits at democraticunderground.org are finally beginning to understand that President Obama is a Wall Street neocon stooge.
Although one poor fool there described the TPP as "deeply flawed" --- it ain't flawed when it is done by design!
Simple open statement to anyone who has read the bill and wishes to make the information public:
DO IT - And I promise true patriots of freedom will protect you from illegal arrest and tyranny.
Are those the same patriots that are rising against this tyranny because all I hear are bitching crickets.
Aren't you the same troll who claimed that Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are CIA plants?
nice try, but no
This NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT is just cover for CONGRESS so they can deny knowing what is in it. They should all tell the country what is in it and IF OBAMA wants to jail all of CONGRESS so be it. It will show the people that they are actually a speparate branch of the government and cannnot be held hostage to an agreement that is unconstitutional.
How is it that the elected congress can make an agreement with the Executive branch that is against the people who supposedly elected them?
Electing them doesn't carry as much clout as buying them.
Revolt... I like the sound of that word.
Stop whining this is the best government that money can buy!
What nation?
I'm all for any laws trade agreements that bring this fucking shitdshow down.
The faster, the better!
Reading is overrated.
Still looking for the 'black swan'? ISIS said it has opereatives in the US, best job in the world of putting your guy undercover in the top spot.....Coming from his roots, pay back really is a bitch.
the operative is in the white house
And I say I'm the lost heir to the British crown. ISIS could be lying, but I'm not.
This administration makes diarrhea look transparent.
Camera phone time, step up patriots.
"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country."
Through him out of office.
the single most classic thing about this entire situation is listening to democrats come out against it because A. it gives too much power to him B. they won't have input on it C. it imposes will on industry V the worker.
these are the same democrats who jammed obamacare down the nations throat by the EXACT same parameters by cutting out the opposition in a COMPLETE obliteration of the other sides ideals & silencing their voice. i don't come down on 1 side or the other on this trade deal but i can't help but laugh at the hypocracy these democrats display when the logistics are working against a position they are for.
Giant sucking sound 2.0