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Welcome To New Britain - Europe's 21st Century 'Balkans'
“When you have anti-English, pro-European nationalists in Scotland and anti-European, pro-British nationalists in England, spiced up with a few anti-English, pro-European nationalists in Wales and of course, the anti-each-other, pro-whatever your having yourself, British and Irish nationalists in that blissfully incoherent chunk of Ulster – Northern Ireland, you know you’re not in the old UK." Welcome to new Britain, Europe’s 21st century version of the Balkans!
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Balkanization. Bring it on!
https://twitter.com/KyleWOrton/status/597141589442592768
Be careful what you wish for.
Do the world a favor. Nuke London.
Elizabeth the 1st (the virgin Queen) was a boyman.
How could it go uphill from there?
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/3-years-and-counting-and-the...
liz was a tranny? you serious?
Yup...thus the virgin queen.
In certain orifices, I mean offices anyways...
Everyone deserves self-determination
The online petition for Northern England is here:
https://www.change.org/p/the-uk-government-allow-the-north-of-england-to...
Allow, wtf.
Some simpering people would like to ask the venerable UK gov to 'ALLOW' some of it's miserable servants to be free to starve.
Fuck That.
How about,
The North demands that the South fucks off and leaves the North alone, we can do this peacefully or we can do it with violence but what will be done will be done.
Ask, Allow
What pitiful middleclass whimpering wankers came up with that.
Tossers
As Eirik will inform you, that is true, except for Europeans, and to oppose their demographic replacement is "racist" in the New Dictionary.
See you in the Hope Camps.
Here is some thing to buoy Eiriks spirits. The Swedish government is upping benefits to lure islamic fighters back to Sweden, I shit you not, they are bringing back rabid anti-wetsern fighters to their country.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/224170-sweden-offers-taxpayer-funded-benefit...
Another imbecilic rant by a cowardly politically correct British pig. Yea, it's the Scots and Welsh that are the problem in the U.K. And the Bulgarians and Poles.
Not these guys: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."
Must have been those fucking Poles! Oh wait.
If the seeds of chaos are being sewn among the U.K.'s various groups of white people then it is only to distract and keep them from uniting against the invading hordes raping their children by the thousands. Yes, that is a sentence that can be written without any sense of hyperbole in today's Britain - invading Muslim hordes raping British children by the thousands.
The U.K. is a disgusting nation of cowards. You won't even fight to protect your own children and you are a disgrace to white people everywhere.
Why that County hasn't been purged of cops, councilors and 'Asians' in total will be an everlasting shame that England will have to bear.
What's the fuck wrong with you people? These are your daughters.
Yeah, just like the white holocaust in South Africa, MSM not interested
in reporting "racial stories" but devote untold resources to digging into the GW Bridge lane closure from 2 years ago. And to think, this was the country brave enough to stand up to Hitler despite being bombed each night. I guess this is the point in history where western civilization dies.
Yeah, just like the white holocaust in South Africa, MSM not interested
in reporting "racial stories" but devote untold resources to digging into the GW Bridge lane closure from 2 years ago. And to think, this was the country brave enough to stand up to Hitler despite being bombed each night. I guess this is the point in history where western civilization dies.
then after cashing u'r GIRO where would u buy yr curry from on a Saturday nite?
1. He got the old joke wrong. It's... A Jew is someone who buys something from a Dutchman, sells it to a Scot -- and still makes money.
Centuries of arguing, haggling and negotiating skills in a culture, will do that for you. At my 'Kirk' (Scottish for 'Church'), we got "How to be a good sheep", rather than "How to stick together, succeed and rule".
2."The UK is like the Game of Thrones, without all the sex".
"No sex, please. We're British" is a myth. Got lots of 'oil changes' in lots of places with British crumpet, while at grad school over there. But the French girls/women still got them beat on style, technique and attitude though.
We balkanized some countries.
i dont know for england but
balkan-kan is full of magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4gkgoAu2-E
I was born, grew up and still live in Scotland. For most of my formative years I was extremely apolitical because it was not a subject which held any interest for me which put me at odds with my peers. Although I would not have classified myself as being "right wing" (whatever that means), my peers did classify me in that camp. However, beginning in the period just after 911 I began to read about things which were not being discussed in the mainstream media which disturbed me. The more I read the more enlightened and political I became. The closest description I would now offer of myself would be that of a Libertarian. Like other Libertarians I don't use the word Liberal because, as a classic tactic in any propaganda war, the language has been stolen and the vocabulary reversed so that now Liberal means anything but liberal.
What I cannot understand, and this may point to my ignorance of my own country's history, is that Scotland used to be a highly prosperous nation fielding far more than its fair share of entrepenuers, businessmen, scientists and inventors. The Victorian period and the industrial revolution is unsurpassed in this regard. This can only occur in an environment of a free-thinking society unencumbered by government bureaucracy. So, at which point along the line of our prior history did the country turn in to a cesspit of communists? I look around me and all of my fellow men and women have their heads in the sand and are all looking for the state to give them something for nothing preferably by taking it from someone else first. When did it all go wrong?
"When did it all go wrong?"
When the economic imperative became one of the the need for "growth".....at all costs. This was the point at which it became easier for politicians to get elected. It also meant there was no going back until it no longer works. Until then we just become degenerate.
Or, in other words, once you developed a welfare ponzi scheme and hooked your population on it.
interesting comment
i see things like this
capital exploited labour all those years ago when you needed masses of people to run your factories and the people grouped together to get a better share
then the economy broke up in to smaller businesses through technology and much of that labour had the chance to do it for themselves and many did
then it went further and technology and globalisation made a lot of the least skilled irrelevant and they are now angry that they (or their parents) missed the boat to make the transition
these are the communists we're left with
the best view i ever read, and sadly probably the truth is that the lowest of the skill set now are simply a dead weight and the cost of our prosperity through globalisation and technology
we just have to allocate some tax money to keep them going and stop them starving
then you have your ed milliband communists who just feels guilty for having had it so good himself
out of interest how did you vote in the referendum?
Capital cannot do that without the natural progession from federalism to unitarism to globalism.
When power and authority migrate from the local communites, capital follows it, not the other way around.
When power and authority migrate from the local communites, capital follows it, not the other way around.
Well done UR.
This is an astute obsevation that punches well above it's weight and brevity.
Well worth the pondering and worthy of a book on it's own premise.
"How To Lose Your Wealth And Freedom."
"Free market fixes everything!"
18th century, here we come!
Before the sassy pensioners of this board flame me: you're still too young and naive, like this dinosaur above! There exists a social order which does not require a market, and much less it requires cash. It exists in the genes of the human race and in the sly bartering of toys between kids. When you create cash and give it value, you end up giving value to human effort, and then, unavoidably, human life, which you proceed to sell.
Sorry folks, no market can fix this mess. It won't be over until you forget your unhealthy thirst for accumulation. If a house is too big to be built by yourself, a vehicle too complex to be engineered with your wits, a material too rare for you to have a reasonable chance to find any on your own land, then think again, for what you desire will corrupt you to become a slave to currency.
Another book, abeit extremely slim.
"Luddite Innovations."
Anti-luddite innovations:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtrI53k4WZM
http://www.walmart.com/ip/HD-Vision-Visor/36259392
It really is high definition!
And all the shit my intellectually challenged parents spend their retirement money on, the latest item that will be tossed in 6 months being a toaster with an lcd screen.
Why pay down your massive debt or ensure your independence in future, the entitlement generation can worry about that.
(This is not complaining about a dwindling inheritance, my parents owe 200k on a house they bought for 120k in the early 90s- proverbial suckers til the very end- I'm just hoping the value of the house is more than what they owe the bank when they bite the dust, have they made it a law that descendants are now liable for their parents debt yet?)
This couldn't be closer to the truth! I'm in Kent and think exactly the same! Everyone is so jealous of rich people yet they want to do nothing to get there, they waste their money on rubbish and hold their hand out to the governments. I mean there was a million Green party voters here! What is going on?
In society, since not longer after the dawn of civilization there have been three groups:
1. The land (plantation, then capital) owners.
2. The overseers
3. The Serfs
Around the Middle Ages a new class grew up - 4. The Professionals. The first real professionals were not the prostitutes (who are serfs) but the millers - the owners of wheat mills who had the opportunity to work on a commission basis and the power not to get cheated.
Education used to be what can lift you from serfdom into the professionals class. But in recent decades the overseers got good at using machines for largely absorbing the professionals into overseeing and grinding down the serfs even further. With the result that the planation owners are now eating their own and turning the lesser of them into serfs.
Trotsky was right, you can't destroy capitalism and attempts to do so are doomed. But it will destroy itself if you let it.
@Diplodicus Rex: "So, at which point along the line of our prior history did the country turn in to a cesspit of communists?"
it's a bit unclear if you are referring to the whole UK or Scotland. however, neither are "communist"
don't moan about "liberal" losing it's political vocabulary sense and then do the same to the word "communist". the political vocabulary suffers from this exact treatment you are applying to it
Geordie, I'm not sure if you're being obtuse or not. It's usually very difficult to tell with you. Please point out to me where in my ealier post I mentioned the word UK. It is abundantly clear that my entire post was about Scotland. I respectfully disagree with you. I am surrounded by people who believe in their very fibre that the state is their friend, their parent, their mentor and their provider. They have no idea that every penny the govenrment spends, at their behest, must first be taken from someone else. They are mathematically and economically illeterate to the degree that they do not understand that by running a permanent deficit (because they are worth it and please think of the cheeeldren) is theft from their grandchildren whohave yet to be born. Sending the bill for their profligacy and arrogance to a generation not yet born is utterly despicable. I call them communists. You can call them what you like.
The only thing Liberals are liberal about is sex and drugs. Everything else they want to control and regulate. It went wrong because some elements in our world have been working for very long to unite the world under a totalitarian government. Complete with the replacement for King, Quieen and respective aristocracy. We are heading for modern day Feudalism.
neither feudalism nor neo-feudalism are possible through... regulations
in fact, feudalism is the complete, utter absence of any regulation. example: in Russia, the landlords kept the Tsar's government away from the serfs
my weapon pointing you to your work for me is the recipy of feudalism
and neo-feudalism is not that different
it's private laws, private armies, private police and private arrangements without any "governments poking their nose in"
neo-feudalism is liberty and freedom... for the neo-feudal lords. enjoy the coffee in the corporate mensa, and don't forget to pass by the corporate shop
What a ridiculous misinformed article.
Zerohedge it isn't worthy of your site.
The only truth is we ARE being balkanised.
We have millions of islamics - many militant and trained - balkanising our cities.
Millions of eastern europeans balkanising our towns -a million plus and plus Poles amomg them - who are the hotbed of fascism in the Ukraine - the last thing we need - and 11% of our prison population is Polish - killers and all.
Most English don't have a problem with Scotland being independent - the government does.
Not least because the same Scots who want to leave the UK want to prostitute themeselves to the EU and will vote to stay in -in any referendum.
They need those votes to keep the English in its thrall.
The English are not allowed any form of national identity.
Unlike the Scots, Irish and Welsh - we are not allowed a regional/state parliament - we would vote the wrong way.
And we have a government now - who - based on the pitiful number of votes it represents is unmandated and a farce.
However it is fanatically pro Europe and anti English.
It is literally and deliberately replacing the English population in an act of treason.
You think you have immigration problems.
The Cameron government has open borders.
They can just walk in from the EU - hundreds of nillions.
They can walk in - we don't even count them -no border control - and immediately claim a house - we pay the rent - full benefits - free health care including aids and drug resistant TB - £70,000 a case - TB was irradicated - now back - send their foreign speaking kids into our schools - completely overwhelming our education system and wrecking education for the kids whose parents cannot afford private school.
The situation is incredible.
We are being balkanised but by foreign invaders - one lot militant islam - who mean us great harm and mean to take Britain and Europe with the fifth column of immigration and then bloodshed.
The other lot millions of Europeans mainly from Poland and the east - who are invading, occupying and colonising Britain.
Legally plundering all we have.
Crashing down our social systems, healthcare and schools.
Forciing down our workers wages by some 14% and leaving them in poverty.
Doubled our national debt in five years - to the unpayable 1.5 trillion - to finance them.
And why you will ask does the political elite do this.
Simple.
To keep Britain enslaved in the EU when the people want sovereignty and independence back.
NWO.
In the coming referendum on getting out of the EU all these Europeans - millions will have the vote.
They will all vote to stay in - they have relatives and friends still to pour in and take all we have - effectively leaving the British people to a country torn from their control and open to continued mass invasion and helpless to do a thing.
We cannot even govern ourselves.
The election you watched is a sham - Westminster is little more than a city council for all the power it has.
Bloodshed is becomif inevitable.
so can I, an american just walk into the UK and get freebies? I am starting to dislike this country, yet the chances of me finding a job or house on my own in the UK is rather slim these days, it sounds like
Been reading up on the "Official" way to become a citizen, and i pass all except for the residing there for 5 years qualification
I think your best bet to get out of the US will be to sign up with the American Brides website that I will be starting after the crash. Being that you're an American chick you'll have to pay them to marry you and I just get a small commission.
Russia is about the only country left that encourages immigration. And they require a good working knowledge of the Russian language before you can apply. USA is the eighth most popular nation source of immigration to Russia.
As an Amercian with (presumably) English as sole language then Canada is about all people of typical education and wealth have.
They very agenda is to destroy European national identities. Immigration can be a good thing, in moderation, but this replacement-level stuff is basically neo-genocide.
meanwhile, some thousands of miles away...
I recall seeing editorials and articles about how "right wing" and "anti-immigrant" not only Golden Dawn is but the for the most part reasonable UKIp. For some very strange reason, the far right in Israel, which is Israel's left-center these days, does not get so pilloried in the UK and especially US press. But, in fairness, Israel is hardly in the news anyway...
Of course, the NWO/ZWO agendas overlap significantly, and the open borders policies could not happen without statist "progressives" who believe Europeans have no right to nation states, though everyone else does.
Conterpunch, your stance looks... conservative. a small question to you: did you ever note that Continentals are... more conservative then Britain is?
but of course, how could you. the British press, and by reflection it's regurgitations in the US press are constantly portraying conservatives on the european continent as... something completely else then that. David Cameron had even to take the Tory fraction in the EU Parliament out of the European People's Party because it was... too conservative and not liberal enough
What you are witnessing is the process of world wide asset stripping of nations by banks desperate for collateral to underpin their derivative house of cards.
The IRS (here in USA) reporting requirements are the road map for central bankers. Taxes and regulation are the mechanisms. Every time another haul is needed, a new round of taxes and regulation goes into place. Just beforehand, the immigration gates are opened to drown the native vote opposition to being raped yet again.
Rinse, lather and repeat throughout the Western World
Those that facilitate the process make out pretty good.
It is a human rights violation to use humans as collateral
So that's a nay on the whole NHS thing?
At least one of your comments is utter rubbish. Government stats on prison populations in England and Wales are readily available. 0.87% (that is 750 out of 86,408) of prisoners are Poles. If I have my arithmetic correct, 750 out of 1M (estimated) Polish immigrants is an offending rate of 0.075%, compared to 73,000 British Nationals (out of 63M) giving a rate of 0.11%, so Brits are 1.5 times more likely to be in prison.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/446108/British-taxpayers-foot-73million...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/poles-top-foreign-inmate-list-3463695
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614279/Poland-tops-league-forei...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2014/01/25/number-of-foreign-pr...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29666951
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10761426/Pledge-to-...
How many do you need.
You are lying.
And the latest figure has been 11%.
Shocking and unacceptable.
This from a Polish site
https://newzar.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/polish-criminals-in-british-jails/
In absolute numbers, yes, Poles make up the highest number of foreigners, which makes sense as they make up the largest proportion of immigrants. In % terms,
is not correct. Foreigners overall make up 10-11% of the prison population Poles under 1%.
Wrong again.
Poles make up 11 %.
Other eastern Europeans add to the problem.
Our prisons are overflowing with them.
And Poland won't take them back I understand.
Poles are in prison in numbers completely out of proportion to their percentage of population.
They are unliked by many Brits seen as arrogant demanding and inclined to thuggery and violence.
The figures show- with justification.
I'd like to see how you tackle the % of illegal immigrants in US federal prisons.
[hint" it's a lot, but we musn't speak abouts it, Precious!]
http://www.weaselzippers.us/224170-sweden-offers-taxpayer-funded-benefit...
The English just have a few colonies yet to win their freedom back. But the primary reason to go independent is that the people opposed to it tend to be such fantastically hypocritical, ignorant twats.
And for the record, I don't hate the English...they're just wankers.
We're *colonized* by wankers... it's a sorry state of affairs to be in.
As of this moment the main relevant online petition has 42,875 supporters, but 100,000 are needed to be assured of a debate in the House of Commons.
So please sign the petition to assure a debate over Northern England. Signing does not signify that you want to be part of Northern England or live in the North, only provide for their ability (or not) to choose between rule from Westminster or from Edinburgh gets to be properly debated.
The online petition is here:
https://www.change.org/p/the-uk-government-allow-the-north-of-england-to...
It does make sense in a way.
I don't have any idea what common ground the internal politics would find, but to outsiders it's quite clear where the bond lies.
"The Incomprehensible Party"
Nobody can understand what the fuck you are saying.
I can tell you exact how this happened. The UK signed to join up to the EU illegally and disguised it as a trading block of countries, a common market it was dubbed. Then in the 40 years since the last referendum our entire education system has been slowly infiltrated with a bunch of EU Marxist nut jobs. Now look at us, 1.5 trillion of debt… no democracy and communist overlords. We was a bloody empire before world war I & II!
bullshit, bullshit, bullshit
as a small reminder:
the Conservative PM Harold Macmillan initiated negotiations for membership to the ECC in 1962, an action which later led to the demise of the EFTA
the Conservative PM Edward Heath made the UK a member of the European Common Market with the European Communities Act of 1972
the Conservative PM Margaret Tatcher signed the Single European Act in 1986
the Conservative PM John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992
as with the famous "Britain sleepwalked into Empire", Britain sleepwalked into the EU... and frankly, we continentals wish you would wake up instead of muttering in your sleep
your education system is your national education system, btw, and Britain refused to sign the Fiscal Compact, so don't blame education or debt on the european partners or the EU
Hahaha your a pro EU Marxist nut job! So where was our referendums each time the parliament signed over another part of our democracy to the EU? Remembering that this was on less than half of the people voting the winning parties in! There is no democracy when the EU is involved, its all promises of cash rewards and large pensions to the politicians. The EU doesn't even have elected leaders to legislate law, they even have drafted a president who is the grandson of Hitler’s SS!
what part of my comment was not factual, little troll? your referendums are your referendums, i.e. your national referendums
your parliament gives powers to the EU, and your parliament can take them back
"there is no democracy in the EU" is a bit old, isn't it? note that little thing called the EU Parliament, the only elected body that has "UKIP in it" in a representative manner
or have a look at the EU Council, it has "some Cameron in it"
trollololololololololololololololol
Okay so to add to that, we have 8% of the vote. Now you combine Germany with the greater Germany countries we are effectively blocked out. But as I said none of the MEP's can legislate law, they just mearly vote on it. Its the unelected leaders that legislate law and what they say goes. Its not democracy in the EU!
so your argument about "there is no democracy in the EU" consists in the fact that "everything UK" is a minority among the 500 millions represented there?
that Britons can be outvoted in both EU Council and EU Parliament? what do you suggest? that Britons ought to get 15 times the votes of the others?
either you use the democracy argument and stick to it or you ought to face the inconsistency of your arguments
fact is that the EU treaties were signed by (Conservative) Prime Ministers and ratified by elected Westminster Parliaments
the Exit Door to the EU is a fully British National Matter. Stay or leave, it's your national decision. I just belong to those Continentals that are completely fed up about your mutterings while sleeping
wake up. it's not us forcing you to to stay. or to keep sleeping and believing in bullshit
I liked the EU when it was just the Northern block of countries, now we have ex communists joining and soon Turkey it does not represent my capitalist views. You can't have a political union with such diverse countries, its not like the USA where all states are simular. If the EU was less bossy and just a trading union I would be up for it, but its not. They want the United States of Europe only its not united as slowly but surely the people across Europe are waking up from the ground up.
misinformed or misinforming troll. neither the ECC nor the EU were ever "just a Northern block of countries". Among the founding countries was Italy, for example
further, it was always part of the British EU strategy to push, push, push relentlessly for "EU enlargement", including former communist countries
Turkey? LOL. the UK gov and parliament is for Turkey in the EU, and it's others, among them Germany, that are against it
where is the "political union" you are talking about? I see only one political union in all this, and that's the United Kingdom. wake up and smell the coffee
I think you need to wake up, London does not represent the people of the UK.
and that's our doing? is it us continentals in the bad, bad EU that force the UK to use such an antiquated electoral system like FPTP? four million votes for UKIP, one seat. clearly the EU's fault /S
interestingly, London, in the sense of Greater London, is one part of your country that wants to stay in the EU. why, I ask?
Because its full of immigrants
London in the sense of "London does not represent the people of the UK" isn't. London in the sense of the political capital is something completely different from Greater London
hey, it's your country. Westminster is not the City of London and it's not Greater London. don't let yourself be detoured
you just had a General Election for Westminster... and moan about the EU, instead of moaning about the current composition of Westminster. as I wrote, the EU is one big issue making you completely blind to the political realities of your polity, and your sense of denial is palpable throughout your country
an excellent example: "So where was our referendums each time the parliament signed over another part of our democracy to the EU?"
(LOL, I just imagine the British reaction to an EU initiative about forcing member countries to have referenda at home. probably similar to the words of Schaeuble about Greece, lately)
Only when that referendum goes the wrong way the EU spend a fortune on propaganda then have the referendum again. Ireland springs to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_Union#/media/F...
and? did you watch the thing on the link you provided? even Algeria, as part of France, was in the original club, which started in the "middle" of the continent, including Southern countries, and then expanded to the North and East. so much for "a club or northern countries"
btw, you do know that the UK first co-founded EFTA and then left the partners in the rain to join the other club, don't you? they still have fond memories about this
Your posts a farcical. How is it a "European" union when it encourages such immigration that there are now more blacks and asians in Birmingham than Europeans, London is the same.
It would be like creating a Chinese Union and importing a bunch of Mexicans until there are more non-Chinese in Beijing than Chinese. Also it is the EU Comission that has the power - the Parliament is just a talking shop. You are either deluded, stupid or both.
Have a look at this multikulti garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WiLVi8lkE
Even the blacks and asians are now starting to hate on each other. We had none of this honor crime, and other garbage before we imported it!
explain to me how the EU "encourages immigration" of blacks and asians in Birmingham. last time I looked, it's about freedom of travel and residence for EU citizens
you can blame the immigration of hard-working catholic white Poles in the UK on the EU. but not of blacks or asians, then there are no black or asian EU countries
you Britons had national laws that allowed blacks and asians to immigrate to the UK. in the context of the EU, you are one of the most "multikulti" countries... but don't want to admit it
btw, do you wish to have one million British pensioners in the eurozone... back? /s
Why has the EU allocated quotas in the millions to re-settle Africans fished out of the sea then? If some retards want to get in a leaky boat again and again and again whats it got to do with us? If I jump into the water off Grimsby should the Danish Navy come and fish me out and give me Danish Citizenship?
Why won't the other North *African* countries fish these people out of the sea and re-settle them? Why don't Muslim refugees go to you know other Muslim countires like Saudi? Last time I heard they have plenty of money and are not mired in debt.
Your attempt to re-frame this as the UK Parliament v EU Parliament is fail. Its about European people v leftist collectivist bullshit, be-it from the EU OR the UK Parliament.
The one-world globalists want them here because it will further dilute our national identities.
Because of our states being so "simular", in the USA we were able to avoid all manner of sectionalism, recurring movements for secession and death tolls of around 700,000 people by 1866. This obviated the need for any kind of so-called "Reconstruction" and the formation of local organizations dedicated to "pushback" against any occupiers and exploiters. It's been great! Best of luck!
+ 1
It's bankanization.
Keep people distracted and fighting with eachother while the bankers make away with all the money.
LOL. Great Humour, lots of hurtful truths
i think the conspiracy types overlook the basic fact that everyone is in it for themselves that has the collective power to bring things about. david cameron as an example as no real view on scotland or the eu he will do whatever works best for dave cameron. the idea that all the leaders elected and unelected of the eu for the last fifty years are conspiring to end the nation states etc is ridiculous
we're all part of a a ponzi that will always mutate in the direction of keeping the ponzi alive
uk moans about eu but we won't leave as we're happy-ish with the status quo and scared of the alternative
same as the scottish referendum
the problem is the status quo isn't sustainable but until it reaches it's end everyone will act to keep it going
i guess as humans we're more concerned with the day to day than theoretical future problems
"david cameron as an example as no real view on scotland or the eu"
you could as well expand to "the average English voter has no real view on Scotland or the EU"... and it's fed with plenty of bullshit by the "europhobic media"
the video addresses for example the British issues with Real Estate. there, neither Scotland nor even Northern England, Northern Ireland, Wales or the EU have anything to do with it
and don't get me even started with the weasels up there that bring a purely British National issue with Muslim immigrants and blenderize it with the Polish immigrants from the EU
(judging from the downvotes you already received there is a large amount of early bird trolls around, this morning)
that's Welsh, isn't it? care to traduce for an old continental that never learned any Gaelic languages?
Translates from Welsh to English as: "it is clear that you are more ego than intelligence"
Counterpunch was undoubtedly looking at itself in the mirror again.
Yes, In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
i agree ghordius, the average english voter is happy-ish with the current state of affairs, or certainly happy enough to choose the current situation over any suggested alternative
scotish mps get to vote on laws that will only apply in england and often vote against the laws in scotland (as per their electorate's wishes) then the other way in the uk to suit their parties agenda
anyone can see this is non sensical
but does the average guy care enough to do anything about it? no
every five years we get to vent our views on various things but then go back to sleep and not care too much till it affects us in a way we can see
we are either very lazy or deep down now that whilst things are far from ideal, in the context of history we have it pretty good :-)
"...the idea that all the leaders elected and unelected of the eu for the last fifty years are conspiring to end the nation states etc is ridiculous"
I wouldn't say they've conspired to do this but it is nevertheless the consequence of their actions and it is the objective of those inside the EU itself.
There is no doubt that Brussels crats - most of whom are unelected by anyone - want to create a United States of Europe and by staying inside the EU, national governments are signing off their own transmogrification into a federal entity like that of the United States. Countries will become "states" under this plan with Brussels calling all the important shots.
And this is the dilemma that the likes of the Tory Party have: it is long used to being the uber gruppen fuhrer of Britain with ultimate authority over the nation's affairs. It now finds Brussels increasingly poking its nose in.
There are pros and cons in this, most notably that British political elites have proven themselves for decades/centuries that they cannot be trusted to manage the nation's affairs properly and in the best interests of the British people. Sadly, changing to rule from Brussels will help in some ways and not in other ways.
Frying pan and fire come to mind.
It's a mess.
smacker, your own Prime Minister is appointed by Parliament, not elected, except for the 78'000 voters of the county of Witney
your "unelected Brussel crats" is utter bogus, and you ought to know it. it's just "rah rah" propaganda for the "swivel-eyed masses" (David Cameron's words, not mine)
where is Brussels "poking it's nose" in? where is the "federal entity like that of the US"? btw, two words: opt-outs
the mess is in your way of looking at something which is a purely British problem with... realities
the EU is the best thing that could ever have happened to the British political elite: a foreign "baddie" to blame all kinds of thing upon... and rule over the "swivel eyed"
stop that "unelected" bullshit, it's covering your eyes
When Brits vote in a general election, they know that the leader of the winning party will become PM. No other option is available, save a coalition. Appointment of the PM by Parliament is a mere pompous formality to fool the masses into thinking that Parliament is in control. But it isn't. And even the powers that it does have are never exercised.
Brussels pokes it nose into all manner of things. How about Ukraine?
How many of the Euro people voted for the Maoist Barroso? And who voted for Junkett? Answer: nobody. Brussels is a gravy train for people who have mostly failed in their home countries.
may I remind you that a "hung parliament" was a distinct (at least forecasted) possibility? and that the Tory could split in the case of the EU referendum?
my point is still valid: you Britons vote MPs, they appoint the PM they wish. it's called Parliamentarism, and you Englishmen invented it
my point is now doubly valid since Westminster voted an Act that fixes elections to every five years. it means no reelections only because the PM wishes them
Ukraine? do you remember Victoria Nuland's infamous words? how much has the EU had any say on anything about Ukraine? btw, the British Gov was all for Ukraine in the EU
remind me who is currently talking to Russia and Ukraine. the UK? no. it's Germany and France. Russia would refuse to have the UK at the diplomatic table
Barroso, btw, was PM of Portugal, before he was appointed by the EU Council
Juncker was selected by the European People's Party as lead candidate, in a party election in Dublin, where Torys were not allowed in... by David Cameron
Juncker was then appointed by the EU Council... while David Cameron tried to convince every other european government to junk him... while not even proposing an alternative
Juncker, finally, had to present a whole EU Commission to the elected EU Parliament, and the whole package was, after a few changes, appointed by them
Juncker's merry band of the EU Commission could anytime be juncked by the EU Council or the EU Parliament, btw
wake up
Balls. There is a program to flood White countries - and only White countries - with the dregs of the Third World. Call the instigators globalists, NWO or whatever but Jews are the heart and soul of the project and this is no coincidence. Google Barbara Lerner Specter or Anetta Kahane to get a sense of the Plan For Europe. In Ireland Alan Shatter 'our' former Justice (sic) Minister awarded new citizenship to 64,000 vibrants (1.5% of the population) in his two years in power while prior to that the annual average was measured in the hundreds.
Same thing in America. http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/04/the-ted-kennedy-immigration-act-n...
"we're all part of a a ponzi that will always mutate in the direction of keeping the ponzi alive"
Correction, we are not all part of the ponzi scheme. Those of us that are prepared to speak out against forces that actively undermine European cultures and societies are not part of the ponzi scheme.
You, however, are, because you demean anyone who dares to challenge these forces as a "conspiracy type".
How convenient for your baseless argument.
Sorry, but I have to fall back on a much overused, but nevertheless highly relevant, quote:
"The only thing that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke
I'm not accusing you of being a bad man, but it sounds like you advocate doing nothing.
What you say about people blindly following the status quo has some truth. However it is demonstable that there are actors that wish to amalgamate Europe and end Nation states. This was Napoleans goal, Hitler too. Now simply read the accords of think tanks like the Club of Rome and they openly state, yes 50 years ago that it is their intention to amalgamete Europe.
Hard times in bubble blowing Britland. As USSA goes so too does the beast that spawned it. The Anglozionazi Empire of Chaos is way past its shelf life and all the Jaded Helmets on the planet aint gonna save it nor its mangy poodle on Pirate Rock.
Hehe. I hate to say it, but that's a really great synopsis; coming from somone living on the Pirate Rock...
The UK will be a banana republic before the average entitled arrogant brit has even noticed. Fucking shithole.
The UK?
Last time I was in London I thought I was in "Schwarzafrika" or Pakistan.
The only "real" British I saw were overweight or depressed looking. Didn't see the promised multicultral heaven - more like a has-been Empire getting plundered and raped.
I thought after the Rotheram rapes that there would be more discussion. Instead I only see resignation...
Never again am I spending one (euro)cent to support the UK. If it ever becomes White again then maybe.
and those black Africans and Pakistanis all came from the EU, "nicht wahr"? /s
Those Africans and Indians/Pakistanis all are subjects of her Ma ..., i mean British citizens because of the former British empire. OMG how lucky we Germans are, we lost our colonies in WWI.
Britain did not have to allow them in, Empire or not.
The mental problem of the British (English) is, they never accepted, a lot of them never realized that they lost WWII and their empire and are just another European state on an island. In order to uphold the illusion of their greatness the have to pretend a British empire still exists. So it´s not possible not allowing people from the former empire in. The Brits are trapped in their own state of delusion about reality and their real identity.
I don't agree at all. All I can say is that you must not know too many Brits.
The EU are a bunch of idiots and its supporters are even more of an idiot. We should be towing the med boats back to Africa not allowing them to reach Europe!
Personally I think this is the Germans plan, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Allow 100,000 IS terrorists to enter Europe and bring it to its knees then fully take over again. I mean the Germans even sing the EU national Anthem and want an EU army. The EU is the fourth Reich!
Again, those IS terrorist are from countries, that were former British colonies for the most part. And they have accesses to England/UK because they are or were subjects of the British Crown. What has the EU and/or Germany to do with this?
Wolferl, you do realize that you are arguing with a "swivel-eyed loon" (again, David Cameron's definition, not mine) that sees any club where Germany is in as the "Fourth Reich"
that's history for you. I guess he would be hard pressed to name the First or the Second "Reich" to which "Germany" belonged for 1'000 years each
it's a fact. millions of Britons and Americans are full of history... as long as it comes from the History Channel's WWII vintage movie material
so whatever Germany does.... "Heil the Fourth Reich" /s I personally suspect the German Greens to be the real Nazi party, of course. Greeen is the colour of Islam, after all. Burn down the Muslim Forest of the Schwarzwald /s
So you think it´s pointless to explain to him that´s there´s no EU national Anthem, since the EU is no nation, and the EU Anthem has no text anyway so it´s difficult to sing along? Besides the fact that the melody of the Anthem is taken from Beethovens 9. symphony and there´s a text, so when we Germans sing that it´s Beethoven and not the EU Anthem? Maybe you are right.
Wolferl, no, it's not pointless, at least in my opinion. otherwise I would not be posting comments, here
but look at the discussion I (often) have with smacker. example above. the "the EU ... rah, rah, rah... unelected" is kind of "burned in" some British minds
it has reached the dimension of political identity. it's a dogma which can't be challenged with rational arguments
fact is that both the UK and the US are now used to have a world view that does not fit anymore... the world. and challenging an outdated world view is... hard
ZH could be at the frontier of that... but I don't think it will. too many trolls, imho
So are you too stupid to see that the leaders of the EU are unelected? Or is your head so far up the EU's arse that you think thats a good thing?
I'd actually welcome a more assertive German presence. They've been so brainwashed with unjustified guilt for WW2 that they're afraid to put their heads above the parapet. Germans have little sense of nationaism now and I believe little interest in dominating Europe.
What I do know is that the 'old' Germany would not have allowed the societally destructive globalist financiers and their bought-and-paid-for pols destroy us like they're now doing.
Total f*cking BS!! The people of the "British Isles", English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh get along just fine. You won't find no-go areas for any of us and latest genetic mapping shows us all to be pretty much the same. The real problem, which this tendentious prick of a cartoonist ignores, is the swamping of the region with millions of Third World bottom feeders. Utterly different and usually of debased cultures they have transformed huge swathes of Britain - and Ireland - into Africa or Dar-al-Islam.
Payback for 300 years of atrocities, plunder and rape of the world by the British Empire i guess.
You're not immune.
You are right. That´s why i hope the Brits are leaving the EU soon and keep their Muslim scum.
Take a look at white British people actually living in this Empire. People living in piss shit and squalor..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=edwardian+victorian+poverty&biw=982&bi...
My great-grandmother worked in factory from the age on 9. How the hell wash she plundering anyone you tool?
All the coal and iron was dug out and used to enrich an Artistocratic and Jewish/Zionist elite. The world ran on coal and iron at that time, so it would be like the Saudis living in filth and covered with oil rags. Your viewpoint is trash that has been put out by the leftist and often Jewish media since the 1960s.
The British Empire was a civilizing force for the most part, developing infrastructure, education and the rule of law. Look at how most of the (non-White) ex-Empire countries have floundered since (cough) independence.
Let me civilize you then.
I completely agree Monty. Under the present circumstances of third world invasion, any attempt at critical analysis of intra-British conflicts is completely distorted.
As a scientist, I have a suggestion for a controlled experiment for the British Isles that would create conditions for a true test.
1) Deport all peoples of non-European descent back to their countries of origin
2) wait twenty years for conditions to stabilized
3) re-evaluate.
For those who view this as a draconian and tyrannical solution, I would submit that it is probably less draconian and tyrannical than the current cultural Marxist experiment of unbridle third world immigration being foisted on the British peoples. After all, it was originally their country right?
Apparently the cabal (eg. Barbara Lerner Specter or Anetta Kahane that you have identified in your other posts) doesn't seem to have a problem with treating the entire British population as lab rats for their grand experiments, why should we?
I guess tyranny is in the mind of the beholder.
I fully agree Teuton. After all, if they're such a great benefit to us wouldn't they be an even greater benefit to the benighted hordes back home? In any event we're literally talking about an existential crisis for Britain and most other White countries. We are entitled to defend ourselves.
Unfortunately the Fabians support unbridled immigration, because it expands the underclass and hence creates a controllable majority while facilitating a Cloward-Piven strategy.
And the Banksters are Fabians.
Who but they have ever believed that production was simply a matter of double entry accounting?????
UK, that is, England "banana constitutional monarchy" sounds good to me.
The one with the most nukes wins or not.
As a southerner, I am a bit of an Anglophile. My first new car was an MGB. I have a gun case full of Enfields and Churchill’s six volume opus sits on my bookshelf. What is happening to England is the same thing that is happening to the United States. We are at the end of empire and the barbarians are invading. London and Washington will be sacked at some point and the heady days of the nation will be but a memory. There will be genocide and ethnic cleansing at some point and this may well mark the end of Anglo Saxons in both continents.
As a non-retard, I hate the British because they are the most disgusting cunts on the planet.
The people of Britain and the US have nobody to blame but themselves.
Politicians have their own reasons for unbridled immigration policies. The people who refused to stand up en mass and say NO is where the fault lies. 'Public servants' tend to serve better the public if they understand their future paychecks and access to power depend on doing so.
Citizens have forgotten that THEY are the ultimate check and balance and it can be done politely...
Or not.
And the cultures of all of the UK is very thuggish and crude (think a nation of hooligans) so there should be lots of opportunities for conflict.
Balkanization.
It's not just for America anymore.
For all White countries.
Why do people get so excited about countries? They are entirely fictional concepts. People should be allowed to settle anywhere they like as long as the pay society rent for the land they agree with society to occupy.
Perfidious Albion, deserves whatever it gets.
Re: immigration. You will not see more hypocricy on any subject. In the Us, there are large factions of folks that spend a substantial portion of their blab-time bitching about illegal immigration. Those same hypocrites have their cars washed, their food cooked, their houses roofed and painted, etc, etc, etc by illegal immigrants.
Guess what hypocrites, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. All of this immigration in the US and Britian and Europe is nothing more than the importation of cheap labor. You imported them, you deal with them.
I fully agree with your comments about hypocracy, the problem is that your solution is overly simplistic. They import them, and we all end up dealing with them. Unless their is structural reform, each individual is powerless to affect change.
Cheap labor is only one aspect. The main one is the deliberate replacement and mongrelization of White Americans.
Re: Immigration. Why not divert all the Schwartzen coming north to multi-racial. multi-ethnic Tel Aviv ? There's plenty of room in the Lebensraum created by Greater Israhell. The Unholy land needs to convert the Africans and welcome them.
The Israelis in typically pragmatic fashion have rounded them up, locked them up in concentration campes (ironic or what?) and then shipped them back to the Dark Incontinent. I just wish theor co-ethnics in White lands would let us do the same.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/04/peter-hitchenss-show-of-guilt/
Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speechhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood...
2011 Census: 45% of Londoners white Britishhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565
Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of European ethnic societieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
Jewish activist Anetta Kahane wants to destroy Europe via non-European immigrationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M
The problem with Britain is the same as the problem with the US...and in fact is where the US caught that particular disease.... Banksterism.
The white undesirables sent out from Britain to the colonies in the 19th century and earlier are now the brown and black ones returning.
All comes down to the adulteration of property rights.
One group of people can legally (but NOT lawfully) steal from another group of people.
Also, people never question the legality of land ownership. .... An armed bunch of people from a land called england, paddled over to another land called america to declare they owned that land...... Then.... LOL...they had the cheek to fraudulently sell it to some other schmuks.
The problem with this analysis was that most of the North American continent was a wilderness by European standards. How do you then define "ownership", your argument contains the seeds of its own destruction.
Are you saying a tiny population of nomads "owned" the entire North American continent? The USA as we see it was created by Europeans, the civilization, code of laws, food, ways of living, concepts of rights etc. I know some "native" Americans now live on the reservation, they spend a great deal of time drinking Jack Daniels.
The harsh reality, when you remove the BS is that the land belongs to those that live in it and even thrive in it. If you don't live in the land you won't own for long.
For example, Israel now exists as de-facto state. You can complain all you like about legalisms. The children live there, they know nothing else, they renamed the streets and entire cities (in some cases the demolished them). Before long it wll be a 100 years, then 150, then what?
Fuck European standards. That's the problem to begin with. What the fuck do you know about harsh reality, all you know is it's not harsh for you, so you don't give a fuck.
I'd ask you if you had the same opinion if you were the one being massacred.
60 millions lived in americas before Columbus. In 1945, there were around 800.000 "native americans" left in the US. You do the math. And you thought Stalin was bad?
"Fuck European standards." Ok, except that everyone wants the benefits of European standards and the civilization they created while wanting to get rid the European people. Back to your cave now, boy.
>>Are you saying a tiny population of nomads "owned" the entire North American continent?<<
Nope. They never 'owned' it.
>>For example, Israel now exists as de-facto state. You can complain all you like about legalisms. The children live there, they know nothing else, they renamed the streets and entire cities (in some cases the demolished them). Before long it wll be a 100 years, then 150, then what?<<
They don't own 'their' land either. As don't palestinians. They still won't own it even after 1000 years.
Fair enough then. They don't "own" it, a raindrop that falls on a mountain can't own the mountain. A person who's but a drop in time can't own a mountain thats 1000,000,000 years old.
Nevertheless man is the measure of all things, the land will still belong to the people that live and thrive in it and are prepared to fight for it - even if they only "own" it in their minds.