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The Illusion Of Democracy

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Distract, deny, democracy...

 

Source: Jesse

Which reminded us of this perennial note...

The past several weeks have made one thing crystal-clear: Our country faces unmitigated disaster if the Other Side wins.

No reasonably intelligent person can deny this. All you have to do is look at the way the Other Side has been running its campaign. Instead of focusing on the big issues that are important to the American People, it has fired a relentlessly negative barrage of distortions, misrepresentations, and flat-out lies.

Just look at the Other Side’s latest commercial, which take a perfectly reasonable statement by the candidate for My Side completely out of context to make it seem as if he is saying something nefarious. This just shows you how desperate the Other Side is and how willing it is to mislead the American People.

The Other Side also has been hammering away at My Side to release certain documents that have nothing to do with anything, and making all sorts of outrageous accusations about what might be in them. Meanwhile, the Other Side has stonewalled perfectly reasonable requests to release its own documents that would expose some very embarrassing details if anybody ever found out what was in them. This just shows you what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

Naturally, the media won’t report any of this. Major newspapers and cable networks jump all over anything they think will make My Side look bad. Yet they completely ignore critically important and incredibly relevant information that would be devastating to the Other Side if it could ever be verified.

I will admit the candidates for My Side do make occasional blunders. These usually happen at the end of exhausting 19-hour days and are perfectly understandable. Our leaders are only human, after all. Nevertheless, the Other Side inevitably makes a big fat deal out of these trivial gaffes, while completely ignoring its own candidates’ incredibly thoughtless and stupid remarks – remarks that reveal the Other Side’s true nature, which is genuinely frightening.

My Side has produced a visionary program that will get the economy moving, put the American People back to work, strengthen national security, return fiscal integrity to Washington, and restore our standing in the international community. What does the Other Side have to offer? Nothing but the same old disproven, discredited policies that got us into our current mess in the first place.

Don’t take my word for it, though. I recently read about an analysis by an independent, nonpartisan organization that supports My Side. It proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that everything I have been saying about the Other Side was true all along. Of course, the Other Side refuses to acknowledge any of this. It is too busy cranking out so-called studies by so-called experts who are actually  nothing but partisan hacks. This just shows you that the Other Side lives in its own little echo chamber and refuses to listen to anyone who has not already drunk its Kool-Aid.

Let’s face it: The Other Side is held hostage by a radical, failed ideology. I have been doing some research on the Internet, and I have learned this ideology was developed by a very obscure but nonetheless profoundly influential writer with a strange-sounding name who enjoyed brief celebrity several decades ago. If you look carefully, you can trace nearly all the Other Side’s policies for the past half-century back to the writings of this one person.

To be sure, the Other Side also has been influenced by its powerful supporters. These include a reclusive billionaire who has funded a number of organizations far outside the political mainstream; several politicians who have said outrageous things over the years; and an alarmingly large number of completely clueless ordinary Americans who are being used as tools and don’t even know it.

These people are really pathetic, too. The other day I saw a YouTube video in which My Side sent an investigator and a cameraman to a rally being held by the Other Side, where the investigator proceeded to ask some real zingers. It was hilarious! First off, the people at the rally wore T-shirts with all kinds of lame messages that they actually thought were really clever. Plus, many of the people who were interviewed were overweight, sweaty, flushed, and generally not very attractive. But what was really funny was how stupid they were. There is no way anyone could watch that video and not come away convinced the people on My Side are smarter, and that My Side is therefore right about everything.

Besides, it’s clear that the people on the Other Side are driven by mindless anger – unlike My Side, which is filled with passionate idealism and righteous indignation. That indignation, I hasten to add, is entirely justified. I have read several articles in publications that support My Side that expose what a truly dangerous group the Other Side is, and how thoroughly committed it is to imposing its radical, failed agenda on the rest of us.

That is why I believe [2016] is, without a doubt, the defining election of our lifetime. The difference between My Side and the Other Side could not be greater. That is why it absolutely must win [in 2016].

 

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Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:04 | 6115159 Waylon Bits
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Wake we up when we can vote on troop deployments, oil pipelines, assassinations, etc...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:08 | 6115181 NotApplicable
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The only thing missing?

"Most important election EVAR!"

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:12 | 6115197 theXman
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I guess people prefer Russian style system where reporters and oposition leaders can be jailed and assassinated routinely. Who needs messy democracy when you can have an efficient leader like Putin or Kim III.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:15 | 6115208 kaiserhoff
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It's the Jew Media.

That's the true imperial oligarchy.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:00 | 6115635 Anusocracy
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If it's a political season it's time to repost this:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/euhs-esl012406.php

When it comes to forming opinions and making judgments on hot political issues, partisans of both parties don't let facts get in the way of their decision-making, according to a new Emory University study. The research sheds light on why staunch Democrats and Republicans can hear the same information, but walk away with opposite conclusions.

The investigators used functional neuroimaging (fMRI) to study a sample of committed Democrats and Republicans during the three months prior to the U.S. Presidential election of 2004. The Democrats and Republicans were given a reasoning task in which they had to evaluate threatening information about their own candidate. During the task, the subjects underwent fMRI to see what parts of their brain were active. What the researchers found was striking.

"We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning," says Drew Westen, director of clinical psychology at Emory who led the study. "What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts." Westen and his colleagues will present their findings at the Annual Conference of the Society for Personality and Social Psychology Jan. 28.

Once partisans had come to completely biased conclusions -- essentially finding ways to ignore information that could not be rationally discounted -- not only did circuits that mediate negative emotions like sadness and disgust turn off, but subjects got a blast of activation in circuits involved in reward -- similar to what addicts receive when they get their fix, Westen explains.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:06 | 6115647 macholatte
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What Difference Does It Make?

delusion definition. A false belief held despite strong evidence against it; self-deception. Delusions are common in some forms of psychosis. Because of his delusions, the literary character Don Quixote attacks a windmill, thinking it is a giant.

 

illusion definition: something that looks or seems different from what it is : something that is false or not real but that seems to be true or real : an incorrect idea : an idea that is based on something that is not true

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:17 | 6115672 Pool Shark
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What's a "GAGET" and why does that guy with the ball and chain seem to want a box of them?

 

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:35 | 6115726 LianaKaulitz
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The winner will probably get the Fed to print a bunch of money cause that's how it works these days
https://youtu.be/AuH_6LYqbD4

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:21 | 6116274 Oh regional Indian
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Well, given that democracy itself is a delusion, of course any resultant forms, BOUND to be devolving in a devolving world are illusions too.

Interestingly and very very very tangentially, our deal was sealed when the NILE was dammed for the first time, back in 1907. Remember the liquidity crisis of 1907?

Hmmmm.....

Check it out, we have moved so far from things we should have learned from our ancients...

Dam a river, damn the place.

HOOOOOOOOOOOver yeah!

https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/the-year-the-time-and-the-pl...

 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:33 | 6116525 old naughty
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the Yangtze too.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:02 | 6116607 Oh regional Indian
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@ old naughty...yes, the three gorges will prove China's undoing.

Imagine what they were thinking when Nepal was shaking?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 06:02 | 6116548 giggler321
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what you need is a free and fair election just like the Brits in the UK.  Cough, cough... rolling on floor - did I real include free, fair and the UK in 1 poorly constructed sentance? arrrrh OMG

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:40 | 6116800 GoldenGeezer
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The Tylers should look into this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3090965/ONE-DAY-jail-sentence-Ca...

"California broker who scammed clients of $17million is sentenced to ONE DAY in jail"

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:02 | 6116139 A Nanny Moose
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It's French. Maybe he thought it read "Godot"

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:19 | 6116637 Monetas
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Pool Shark .... a "Gaget" is a large "Wiget" !

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:26 | 6115698 r00t61
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Here's another interesting study done on how Demopublicans can't think straight when they're thinking about The Other Side:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/04/04/why-republicans-and-democrats-cant...

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:24 | 6116519 old naughty
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Why must one known-2-us system be always pitched against another?

In between 0 and 1, there’re infinite possibilities, no?

Take the quantum leap.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:02 | 6116715 Arnold
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Excellent point and that's where many of us are.

The first step of our quantum - ness.

However that involves higher maff and critical noodling and if I was on a .gov teat I would have no need of either.

Therefore:

I completely endorse Hillary for POTUS 2016.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:41 | 6115718 Paveway IV
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I'll take the 'Jew Media' any day over the fascist state of Israel. The first one costs a buck or two a day. The second one, well:

Pentagon approves massive $1.9 billion arms sale to Israel

The US State Department indicated it will approve an arms sale to Israel worth nearly $1.9 billion, adding thousands of bombs, air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles to Jerusalem’s armory for “self-defense” needs.

Which means Israel is planning another Gaza or Lebanese offensive this fall. Maybe even Syria if their al Nusra lackeys keep getting killed. BTW, Thanks a lot, Pentagon - you treasonous Israeli-firster fucks.

...“The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to US national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability,” the statement read...

So I'm picking up the tab on this one, too? FUCK! The bills for all arms sales to Israel are ALWAYS forgiven, usually Dec. 29th at the senate's annual Pre-New Year's Treasoners' Ball, usually right after the ritual blood sacrifice of an infant. Maybe they moved it to before the blood sacrifice this year. They're always switching it up to confuse us.

"...A Defense Ministry source told Israel Radio the deal had nothing to do with Iran nuclear talks or any other conflict in the Gulf region..."

Well, of course it doesn't have to to with Iran - these are conventional munitions. Didn't the Israeli Defense Minister just say that Iran should be dealt with just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki? 

"...A report in Israeli media Tuesday indicated the US and Israel were discussing a so-called compensation package that would see Washington sell Jerusalem advanced weapons, including more F-35 jets, in exchange for the Netanyahu government’s quiet acceptance of the emerging nuclear deal with Iran..."

That's odd. Israel usually extorts money and weapons from the U.S. by promising not to nuke anyone. So I guess that means... oh.

...“The proposed sale of this equipment will provide Israel the ability to support its self-defense needs. These munitions will enable Israel to maintain operational capability of its existing systems and will enhance Israel’s interoperability with the United States,” the statement read...

In other words, Operation Arbeit Macht Frei will be taking place in a Gaza and southern Lebanese village near you, courtesy of me, the hapless U.S. taxpayer. Why the fuck hasn't anyone brought me up on war crimes yet? Stop the source of the funding and the psychopaths will have to stop. Do I have to fly myself out to the Hague to stop this nonsense?

Besides, the 'something BIG' ISIS false-flag is suppose to happen in what... July? I have to stock up on dried beans and ammo before cash is outlawed.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:13 | 6116627 ListenToTISM
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Excellent post.

I just hope you don't live anywhere near Canada.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 09:08 | 6116904 Tarzan
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So rare, someone who can see through the propaganda and distinguish between the Jew and the State. No different then the context of this post, seeing the folly of my party vs your party.

The power elite are running a dillusion centered on divide and rule. A dillusion that says the state owns the people, thus I am no longer a person, but property - an American, Brit, Chinese or whatever.

When we the people of the world wake up from this disception that the State owns us, rather then the opposite, we will realize that the vast majority of people in every nation just want to live at peace with there neighbor, raise their family's and reap the fruits of their labor.

The more I travel the more I see that most people of every race and religion are lovely people who just want to live in peace and not be dogged by the State and it's desire to rule the people.

It is the illusion of nationalism that fans the flame of fear, that in turn fans the flames of war and HATE, that turns free people into slaves of the internationalist elite power mongers!

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:55 | 6116322 BurntPinky
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You, Sir are a race-baiter and ethnic hater. Race-baiters and ethnic haters are by definition a danger to all races and ethnicities.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:17 | 6115217 Urban Redneck
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A two-fer: a strawman and a false dichotemy.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:37 | 6115280 Oldwood
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Yes, we radicals who insist on staying with centuries old traditions are radical in the face of this "progressive" change. Just listen to them calling anyone who questions the "new way of thinking" a radical. Sure there are hypocrites on both sides but at least give credit to the message. I'm tired of being called a radical because I'm old. Radicals are supposed to be for change, not conservatism. Anyone today who extolls any virtues of our past are radicals to be feared...a danger. Conservatives have been screaming about the dangers of change, change without real premise other than hope, yet we are still the radicals, restraining hope and retarding progress, all while watching us spiraling ever closer to the drain.

While I am as tired as anyone having to listen too these lying hypocrites we like to call Republicans, the conservative message is the same as it ever has been.

There is no doubt at this point however that our choices at elections is as near pathetic as we have seen, but democracy IS WORKING, exactly as we were warned it would. The mob mentality harnessed by special interests to rob and oppress.

the FSA is growing stronger by the day, as is the democratic proccess of destruction and tyranny.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:57 | 6115336 11b40
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I know, Oldwood.  I am old, too.  

Why, I even recall when we were a Constitutional Republic, but now we have been dragged down to a f***king democracy where money can speak and buy votes.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:24 | 6115406 nmewn
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Save us from the terrrrists and give us farrreeee shit!

Its pretty easy being a politician these days ;-)

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:30 | 6115420 TeethVillage88s
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Yeah maybe so usually

http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/iowa-libertarian-us-senate-candidate-dies-...

scribblguy.50megs.com/wellstone.htm -
Anti-war senator Wellstone dies in plane crash. ..... days before his death, Wellstone told attendees that Cheney told him, 'If you vote against the war in Iraq, the ..

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:58 | 6115479 nmewn
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The political pep rally posing as his wake/memorial was to die for tho ;-)

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:57 | 6115628 sgorem
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I believe a moment of silence for  Andrew Joseph Slack III  is in order.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:05 | 6116149 A Nanny Moose
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Slack or Stack? If you are going to fly a plane into an IRS office, at least use Cesna Citation, rather than a 172.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:41 | 6116418 Real Estate Geek
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KC-10 with a full load.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 15:28 | 6118658 sgorem
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well hell, let's try Smack..........:)

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:03 | 6115490 Billy the Poet
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"Radicals are supposed to be for change, not conservatism."

 

Radical means to go to the root. The alternative is be superficial and to seek cosmetic solutions. Radical is good. Ron Paul, in his devotion to the Constitution, is the perfect picture of a radical. He sensibly goes to the root rather than wallow in the incidental, inconsequential complaints of the day.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:21 | 6115533 TeethVillage88s
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Thanks Billy a little bit tired today and didn't appreciate what oldwood had said. I up voted him.

The founding fathers were Liberal Radicals at the time since the Tradition had become a meme about Royals and official Patriarchs. (except for Alexander Hamilton who joined the Dark Side)

Different Meanings must be differentiated

- Conservative Monarch
- Conservative Banker for European Bank System who supported Monarchy

- Conservative Freedom, Liberty & Constitutional Advocate is much different

- Conservative Supporter of WWI, WWII, FED, State as Ultimate Power over Individuality, over God, over US constitution is again... very different

- Conservative Supporter of US Bank Infrastructure, Central Bank, QE Forever, LIRP forever, TBTJ Corporate Bailouts, Bonuses for TBTJ Bank Criminals, unlimited power to create Fiat for our TBTJ Banks over our small banks in our many 50 States for no reason... that is also a LIBERAL VIEW EQUAL TO MAKING WAR ON SMALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES

JEEZUS!!

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:59 | 6115793 nmewn
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A fine post, plus one and I'll do my best to dissect this in MY bold, I'm tired too ;-)

"The founding fathers were Liberal Radicals at the time since the Tradition had become a meme about Royals and official Patriarchs. (except for Alexander Hamilton who joined the Dark Side)"

Agreed, most thinking people know what "a Liberal" is. It is Voltaire, Franklin to name two.

"Different Meanings must be differentiated

- Conservative Monarch
- Conservative Banker for European Bank System who supported Monarchy

- Conservative Freedom, Liberty & Constitutional Advocate is much different (My bold)

- Conservative Supporter of WWI, WWII, FED, State as Ultimate Power over Individuality, over God, over US constitution is again... very different"

Some conservatives never were much on centralized authority, leaning more toward individualism (anarchy if we must "go there") at the same time many conservatives are not pacifists either and neither is the left.

Here is where the difference is you fail to see (I think)...

- Conservative Supporter of US Bank Infrastructure, Central Bank, QE Forever, LIRP forever, TBTJ Corporate Bailouts, Bonuses for TBTJ Bank Criminals, unlimited power to create Fiat for our TBTJ Banks over our small banks in our many 50 States for no reason... that is also a LIBERAL VIEW EQUAL TO MAKING WAR ON SMALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES

JEEZUS!!

Some conservatives support "US Bank Infrastructure, Central Bank, QE Forever, LIRP forever, TBTJ Corporate Bailouts, Bonuses for TBTJ Bank Criminals, unlimited power to create Fiat for our TBTJ Banks over our small banks in our many 50 States for" >>>for their own interests.<<<

Just like Krugman, Soros, Buffet etal (for money, yes?) and Obama, Hillary, Nuland etal (for war, yes?).

The sooner you realize this (the Deep State has no real color code) the closer to truth you'll be.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:09 | 6116161 A Nanny Moose
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Where do the priests who supported Monarchy (Oligarchy) fall?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 04:30 | 6116458 AIIB
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"...Alexander Hamilton (who joined the Dark Side)"

Quel surprise!

 

"Alexander Hamilton was born on the British island of Nevis, in the West Indies, on January 11, 1755. His mother was most likely Jewish, and his father, James Hamilton, was a non-Jewish Scotsman descended from the House of Hamilton in Ayrshire, Scotland. In the 1760s, Alexander attended a Jewish school in Nevis, which was housed in a synagogue in Charleston, the island's capital. The local Anglican school was not an option for Alexander, because he was a bastard in the eyes of the church. His mother, Rachel, had never divorced her first husband, who was also Jewish, and her union with James was therefore not technically marriage, making Alexander illegitimate.

After completing his education in Nevis, Alexander moved to Charleston, South Carolina in search of a better life and career. He became George Washington's aide during the American Revolution, was the principal author of the Federalist Papers, and served as the United States' first Secretary of the Treasury, under George Washington."

 

Source: JewishVirtualLibrary

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 06:24 | 6116572 nmewn
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"Where do the priests who supported Monarchy (Oligarchy) fall?"

Their bodies should fall onto the deck and their heads into a basket but it never seems to work out that way anymore...lol. I must admit I have never had any sympathy for a "man of the cloth" who betrays "his flock" to the wolf pack, none, zero.

This goes for "secular priests" worshipping at the altar of relativity as well ;-)

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 15:32 | 6118681 NeoLuddite
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Classic liberalism died 100 years ago; the term "liberal" has been perverted by progressives ever since.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:04 | 6115642 Anusocracy
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There is nothing radical about being for government.

Getting rid of it is radical.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:22 | 6115535 samsara
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Thanks for posting that TV88s

Most wouldn't get the phrase;

"He was Wellstoned"

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:09 | 6115505 samsara
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"but democracy IS WORKING, exactly as we were warned it would. The mob mentality harnessed by special interests to rob and oppress."

That's why they didn't set up a democracy.

They set up a republic.

Where the majority doesn't have the right to overstep the individual rights.

I pledge allegiance to Flag of the US of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands(ie is a symbol of)

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:22 | 6115531 duo
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Taking my previous post about the Bolsheviks in the early 1920's a little further.....

There was progressivism, and socialism, and other leftist ideals, but they are being superceeded by Obamaism.  Obamaism is the Cloward-Piven strategy hidden in a veil of progressivism, but in reality a dictitorial police state in disguise.  An "open" administration doing most of it's dealing in secret.  A constitutional "republic" where only the executive branch makes laws.  A sort of Rome under Caligula" scenario.  One could say we're only a pleasure barge away...

So, like the Bolshiviks, worship of the leader becomes more important than the idology the movement was founded upon.  Obamaism requires worship/allegiance to "The Obama".  I say "The Obama" not "Obama" because he has become a religion.  Just like there are the "truths of the Buddha", there are "truths of the Obama".  Buddha said "The origin of suffering is desire".  Obama said "you didn't build that".

Watch the Democratic party be torn apart by conflict between the "idealists" of FDR/LBJ liberalism, and the "destroy it all" hatred of the Chicago school and the Obamaists. 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:08 | 6115653 sgorem
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Communist Creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Capitalist Creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

                                                                                    Andrew Joseph Stack III, 2/18/2010

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:10 | 6116165 A Nanny Moose
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Citationns please?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:11 | 6116171 GRDguy
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Under capitalism, man exploits man. 

Under communism, it's just the opposite.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:29 | 6115889 Oldwood
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Ideals are all fine and good until your ideals conflict with mine. If we are to believe that the only ideal that matters is liberty, the freedom to act independently as long as it does not directly infringe on the rights of others, then you must accept that any system we are to operate under is voluntary and free of coercion, manipulation, propaganda and especially force. Our constitutional republic was to insulate us from the ravages of both tyranny from above by unaccountable monarchy and from below by the majority mob. Our individual rights are to be untouchable by any person or group, no matter how large a majority, no matter how enlightened, no matter how great of a scientific consensus.

Any social system can be sustainable if it is truly an uncoerced and voluntary society. We typically will see this in small homogeneous societies with shared history and values, but it is not scalable to large disparate societies.

Free markets...freedom IS scalable, as long as their individual rights are honored.

Leadership is important to align values, but it is also valuable to creating power blocks designed to subsume all other lesser voices. The power of democracy unbridled by our constitution.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:04 | 6116011 Anusocracy
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If you want government you can never be free.

If you want freedom you can never have government.

A constitutional government is NOT freedom. Never was, never will be.

It just another con that plays on your innate (im)morality.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:26 | 6116059 Oldwood
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Freedom that is sustainable in a society requires compromise, but as long as it remains voluntary, I think I can still call it freedom. It is a fool's errand to abandon the possible for perfection. This utopian claptrap is responsible for more death than any disease.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:27 | 6115411 theXman
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If you realized that this site was run with money from Moscow you'd think again about the strawman argument. ZH has routinely made run of all the major national leaders around the world, especially those of US and EU, have you ever seen it mocking Putin even once? Thanks about it.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:07 | 6115498 Billy the Poet
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Moscow is hawking suggestive t-shirts and Asian brides? Who knew?

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:20 | 6115688 newdoobie
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It's funny, cause it's true

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:11 | 6116170 A Nanny Moose
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All the kewl kidz is doin' it.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:21 | 6115689 newdoobie
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doh

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:49 | 6116314 PhilofOz
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Well we know some of what YOU google for now, don't we?

What else does "Moscow" hawk for when you open up ZH just out of curiosity? 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:06 | 6116151 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In a special school for chronic mental patients is the year of open doors. So...

If you realized that this site was run with money from Moscow you'd think again about the strawman argument. ZH has routinely made run of all the major national leaders around the world, especially those of US and EU, have you ever seen it mocking Putin even once? Thanks about it.

Obviously after watching parades, and suffer from inferiority complexes. And rightly so, proud of Bandera as easy and pleasant as the contents of the toilet.

Haloperidol accept.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:53 | 6116317 Gavrikon
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Please kill yourself.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:32 | 6115421 Dr.Vannostrand
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Michael Hastings who? 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:51 | 6116114 TheFourthStooge-ing
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theXman bleated:

I guess people prefer Russian style system where reporters and oposition leaders can be jailed and assassinated routinely.

Be careful that you never say such a thing in Kiev, because you've just described the Ukrainian system, and those pravoseki goon squads don't take kindly to people describing anything Ukrainian as "Russian style".

Who needs messy democracy when you can have an efficient leader like Yats or Porosenko.

Fixed it for you.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:09 | 6116402 Balanced Integer
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So rather than actually attempt to rebut Xman's points, you merely deflect and assign them to the government in Ukraine? Are you denying that the Kremlin is running an autocratic government where reporters and opposition leaders are routinely jailed and assassinated?

 

Solid.

 

That Putin cock must taste mighty fine, Shemp. 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:51 | 6116835 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Balanced Integer, bleating and jumping:

So rather than actually attempt to rebut Xman's points,

Xman's "points" are unsupported assertions. Pointing this out is all that is required to rebut them, since it is logically not possible to prove a negative.

you merely deflect and assign them to the government in Ukraine?

Having difficulties with your memory of events in Kiev? Well, perhaps that's understandable, since most of them occurred in the distant past of February, March, and April 2015.

http://thesaker.is/if-this-isnt-fascism-and-a-junta-then-what-is-it/

http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/no-fascism/4409-the-brown-dawn.html

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/home-adresses-of-murdered-kiev-junt...

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150417/1021004753.html

Are you denying that the Kremlin is running an autocratic government where reporters and opposition leaders are routinely jailed and assassinated?

Solid.

Are you making the unsupported assertion that the Kremlin is running an autocratic government where reporters and opposition leaders are routinely jailed and assassinated?

Solid.

That Putin cock must taste mighty fine, Shemp.

What strangeness of fantasies yours. You, ordinary pravoseki fascists, all such lovers of themselves, something in the ass to put it?

So go jumping to Nuland for cookie given and strapon applied.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 11:25 | 6117418 STP
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Funny, how both John Kerry AND Nuland have gone to Russia this week to talk to Putin.  He doesn't need to talk to them, because, he would've went and seen them, but those two, certainly had the need to talk to him.  In Chess it's called the 'Initiative'.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:48 | 6116425 Ghordius
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ah, the real and only "TheFourthStooge-ing". missed you

"you've just described the Ukrainian system...". well, perhaps yes, but aren't you... deflecting?

two sides. one angelic, the other demonic. the very problem of many, many countries

in your case, you are saying that nonono, it's Ukraine where reporters and opposition leaders can be jailed and assassinated routinely

and in the way you are putting it, you exclude the possibility that this could apply to... both countries

which, to come back to US Politics, leads to the question: why two sides only? of course "My Side" that of the angels, and the "Other Side" that of the demons?

as a reminder, the UK just recently had General Elections, and somehow the British Voters managed to send several parties to their main elected legislative body... despite the use of that tottering old electoral system called "First Past The Post", aka "The Winner Takes It All", aka "To The Winner, The Spoils"

freedom of choice. can you call it this way if you have only two choices, "My Side" and the "Other Side"? in a way, that's a "weaponization of politics", then it's usually war that has two sides only

btw, note the sarcasting placing of the two parties in the cartoon: on the Left, the Conservatives, on the Right, the Liberals

fact is that the FPTP electoral system flattens the real and existing political landscape. out of many, two

there are three main ideologies: conservative, liberal and social. and most political thinking (for parties) is hard work spent trying to reconcile two against the third

so the liberal-conservative is anti-socialist, the social-conservative is anti-liberal, the social-liberal is anti-conservative

the choice given in the US is, from this classical perspective, between liberal-conservative and social-liberal

the liberal-conservative party does not have to fend off more conservative parties on one side and the social-liberal party does not have to fend off more socialist parties on the other side

except when they do emerge, like in the case of the mostly conservative Tea Party and the mostly socialist Occupy Party... only to be swallowed and digested by the system

the real net effect is that the incongruencies of neither liberal-conservative nor social-liberal are really exposed, and so the result is more anti-socialism and more anti-conservativism

more anti-socialism is then visible in the neo-feudalism that is allowed to emerge. a corporate boot forever stomping on the face of the people that have to work for a living

more anti-conservativism is then visible in the culture war that is allowed to emerge. a "champagne-socialist" boot forever stomping on the face of those who are not "politically correct"

enter the field the "libertarians". who claim to be a fourth political dimension... but as all "radicals"... aren't. because libertarians are themselves a radical part of liberalism

they are therefore forever courted by the existing two parties, who of course will never satisfy them fully. so even the "average" US Libertarian is, in many ways, a product of this two party oligopoly

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 06:06 | 6116446 Ghordius
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in case I confuse someone, particularly those who are already confused by the Left-Right "thing", here a slightly deeper explanation to this:

 

"there are three main ideologies: conservative, liberal and social. and most political thinking (for parties) is hard work spent trying to reconcile two against the third

so the liberal-conservative is anti-socialist, the social-conservative is anti-liberal, the social-liberal is anti-conservative"

all six can lead to excesses, though it's more difficult (today) for the three "pure" ideologies to achieve dominance

 

--- in pure forms:

a pure conservative and dominant ideology would be one that is tightly interwoven with religion, for example. in excess, "classic feudalism", the Barons and the Bishops

a pure socialist and dominant ideology would be the classic "worker's paradise" of communism, best seen tried in the old Soviet Union

a pure liberal and dominant ideology... well, that would be the "libertarian utopia". sounds good, never yet achieved. with the risk of "neo-feudalism"

why do pure forms fail? because they are too pure. humans are too complicated for that

 

--- in mixed forms:

a social-conservative example might be the Pope, or many parties in Europe. in excessive form, fascist and nazi totalitarianism, the opposite of liberal

a liberal-conservative example might be the Tory party in the UK. in excessive form, unbridled "Money makes right" imperialism and corporatocracy. the opposite of social

a social-liberal example might be most social-democratic parties in Europe. in excessive form, crony capitalism. the opposite of conservative

why do mixed forms fail? because power corrupts, and the mixed forms already have to reconcile two ideologies, and that's hard work for itself

 

---

a political system that does allow choice allows all forms to express themselves, spend their energy in positive directions, and then be replaced by fresh forces

a political system that does not allow the full choice does not allow expression or positive directions from parts of the spectrum, and becomes so repressive

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:01 | 6116137 A Nanny Moose
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False dichotomy 101. Read a fucking book or website on logical fallacies, then get back to me.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:37 | 6116297 Counterpunch
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Michael Hastings would like to ask you a question, but he's indisposed.

 

He trusts the US media will follow up.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 02:56 | 6116376 The Darwin Mode
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"Who needs messy democracy when you can have an efficient leader like Putin or Kim III?" --theXman

Bwa-hwa-ha-ha-haaa! I take it you're new here.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:04 | 6116388 Conscript
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Democracy may not be perfect and it's values are often twisted to serve oligharhic intrests but still it is better tha KIM JONG UN totalitarian regim and pretty much any other alternatives. I f there were other better alternatives they would probably be the dominating powers of the world.And in the case of Putin I think that is why there should be a limit to how many times a person can be elected as in other democracys.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:04 | 6116389 Conscript
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Democracy may not be perfect and it's values are often twisted to serve oligharhic intrests but still it is better tha KIM JONG UN totalitarian regim and pretty much any other alternatives. I f there were other better alternatives they would probably be the dominating powers of the world.And in the case of Putin I think that is why there should be a limit to how many times a person can be elected as in other democracys.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:19 | 6116406 beijing expat
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Exactly! The other side is much worse.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 20:38 | 6119605 GardenWeasel
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Apparently you have never heard of Michael Hastings or Andrew Breitbart, nor are you aware that the present U.S. fearless leader has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined.  From what I hear the Russian people are a lot happier with their gubment than we are with ours.  You are right about one thing - this so-called democracy is getting pretty messy.  

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:55 | 6115470 BullyBearish
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What if they threw a party and nobody showed up?  BOYCOTT 2016

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:34 | 6115724 TheReplacement
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Then they would win and keep on doing what they are doing.  Any other bright ideas?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:12 | 6116176 A Nanny Moose
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They would simply make up the necessary votes, via those who count the votes - Joey Stalinator II

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:57 | 6116324 ILLILLILLI
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Yeah...nuke it from space. It's the only way to be sure.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:17 | 6116634 ListenToTISM
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There are no nukes, and there is no space.

Other than that, good idea.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 06:12 | 6116560 August
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A mainstream, tested standard-bearer from either the Republican or Democratic Party must be elected to the Presidency in 2016.

We must destroy the village, in order to save it.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:06 | 6115167 Market Rage
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Off topic it sure seems like the media is misleading everyone about the FOMC minutes.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:07 | 6115174 NotApplicable
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Yes, but did you know that the Jenner kids got booed when the introduced Kanye?

Gotta keep focused, ya know.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:08 | 6115169 petkovplamen
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Sad sad Americans just figured this out? You idiots should have been reading Chomsky, he just said it so well: “It’s ridiculous to talk about freedom in a society dominated by huge corporations.” -Chomsky

Chomsky has been saying this for years. I guess you have been too busy "making money" to pay attenton.

The average American sheeple never fail to amuze me how stupid they really are. Wasn't it Voltaire who said If you want to understand infinity look at people's stupidity?

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:21 | 6115207 raywolf
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don't fall for the marxist line... it's not the corporations that are the problem... corporations build new technologies and give us all the services and products we need for a better world....

it's the Govt. that allows the huge corporations to thrive and build monopolies, because the massive and costly bureucracy, complicated tax laws and endless registrations, regulations, licenses etc. prevent the little guy from ever getting started....

notice the only area where little guys rise up is in tech, because a coder can invent something without a million pages of laws and taxes hung around his neck.... in all other businesses the big boys always win because the Govt. is so hard to do business with unless you are a monster yourself....

don't blame the big companies they are just making the best of a bad job.... blame career politicans and the inside cronyism (aka. fascism) ... that is all fostered by Govt.

career poltiicans are the biggest problem, talentless hacks, and usually dishonest lawyers that know how to spin a lie into the truth and sell themselves (change you can believe in)... where in fact no career politican has ever done anything real, useful or meaningful in their entire lives. they have no skill, no technical ability, no experience in a real performance based P/L business, they don't even hire staff in the same way, beacuse they hire yes men and sychopants....

get rid of the political parties, demand representatives that have real world business experience and are rich enough not to have to line their pockets from poltics....

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:39 | 6115255 11b40
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Excuse me, but I would like to introduce Mr. Hand to Mr. Glove.

What part of Facism don't you understand?  These big multi-nationals work like farm animals to buy politicians.  You want to measure guilt?  Who is more guilty, the briber or the bribed?

I totally agree that most politicians are scum bags, but I also know what that so are most senior managers at VP level and above.  Term limits are a great idea, too, but the best idea is to take the money out of it.  Simple things, like if you can't cast a vote, you can't make a contribution.  No corporate money, no union money, no foreign money, no 3rd party money shuttled through PACs OR political parties....none.  All money raised from registered voters with some kind of reasonable limits to prevent billionaires from distorting the process.  That would be change we could all believe in if we care about getting back control of our country

Meanwhile, Sen. Paul started a filibuster against renewal of NSA spying today at 1:00....still going strong, and just joined by Dem Sen Joe Manchin.  It's a BIG DEAL.  Justice Dept put out a mamo today saying that they will start dismantleing the program if Congress does not re-authorize by Friday.

Watch on C-span, or follow here:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/rand-paul-filibuster-live-blog-20150520

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:40 | 6115740 TheReplacement
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His point is valid.  The corporations didn't do this.  Government did.  The corporations didn't wake up one day and discover they had control.  It was given to them by government.  Likewise, the Federal Reserve didn't just poof itself into existence.  Government did that.  The NSA didn't just poof itself into existence.  Government did that.

You are mistaking the symptom(s) for the disease.  That said, I'll go one further.  The people elected and re-elected and re-elected and re-elected (do I really have to keep going for the point to be made?) the government.  In the end, it is the people who are to blame for electing and accepting the government that sold them to the banks and corporations.

It is called personal responsibility.  Nobody dropped a nuke on the people.  They went out and voted (or didn't vote at all) for this.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:07 | 6115816 shovelhead
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Why blame the criminal? It's his job to steal.

It's the cop you pay to watch the criminals and catch them, that's where the problem lies.

One's doing his job and the other isn't.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:01 | 6116129 petkovplamen
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my original point was that "democracy" is purely imaginary. As usual, you guyz go off the rails to defend corporations, souless machines that are destroyign the enviroment at astonishing rate, have ruined the food supply with GMO, etc etc etc. Man, you people are really sad. It really IS over for the human race.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:39 | 6116223 TeethVillage88s
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I have a quote from a Federal Reserve Branch 1963:

- Today FED wants to say it has like one Objective: Inflation at a stable rate with stable GDP

"The Function of the Federal Reserve is to foster a flow of money and credit that will facilitate orderly economic growth, a stable dollar, and long-run balance in our international payments"

- well -$700 Billion a year international payments is terrible performance
- FED wants to Take Back it's Mission and Shrink it's Stated Goals and Objectives

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:19 | 6116391 The Darwin Mode
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"The corporations didn't do this. Government did. The corporations didn't wake up one day and discover they had control. It was given to them by government. Likewise, the Federal Reserve didn't just poof itself into existence. Government did that. The NSA didn't just poof itself into existence. Government did that." --TheReplacement

The leaders of Halliburton didn't decide to blow up Iraq to expand corporate profiteering, the leaders of the executive branch made that call. The CEO of Goldman Sachs didn't help turn Wall Street into a zero carry cost speculation casino, the Treasury Secretary did that. The gods of the international banking cartel didn't influence the passage of the Federal Reserve Act... government just gave them the keys to the national economy by random chance! The Corporatocracy is innocent, dammit! They don't buy elections... I mean, what could they possibly gain from that? The oligarchs who head our multinational corporations have no say in the workings of government! Dittoheads unite! Yay Republicans!

I apologize for the sarcasm, Replacement, but dude: you must do better than that.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:17 | 6116747 Refuse-Resist
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So you're saying that those corporations don't make campaign contributions (aka bribes in the real world)? That former employees of said corporations who work in government wouldn't make decisions (for all of us) that benefit their former employers, or even possibly enrich themselves while their plans are taking place (Rumsfled? Cheney? Chertoff? Skeletor?)

 

Come on man!

 

It's a big club and you and me aren't in it.  At least I know I'm not.  Perhaps you and your up-voters are part of the club and profiting handsomely from this abomination known as 'democracy'.

 

I think I need to head to Staten Island to visit the statue of democracy, and remember that pledge of allegiance says "and the democracy for which it stands"...

The "america is a democracy' propaganda started not long after the implementation of the Federal Reserve. In WWII we were the 'arsenal of democracy', not the 'arsenal of liberty'

 

People now don't even understand what the word liberty means and our language has been corrupted to the point that the word liberal now means progressive fascist, whereas in the past it was defined by those who belived in its root word:  LIBERTY.

 

We are fucked and this shitshow will continue as long as the majority of Americans continue to allow themselves to be programmed by their TVs, radios, and mainstream media.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:13 | 6115663 Anusocracy
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Without government corporations wouldn't exist. Businesses would be beholden to its customers first and last or they would go the way of dodo bird. Banks included.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:14 | 6116184 A Nanny Moose
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^^ THIS THIS THIS^^ Ding ding ding!!! Winner winner, chicken fucking dinner.

Get this shyt through your thick fucking skulls!!!

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:29 | 6116412 Charming Anarchist
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Without corporations, government would not exist.  Yuk! Yuk! 

This is fun! 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:42 | 6116419 The Darwin Mode
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Big government, big corporations, and big banks have fused into one entity, and individuals commonly hold positions in multiple chambers of this structure at various points in their careers. It's called the CORPORATOCRACY, within which an illusion of checks and balances is maintained between its warfare state, welfare state, and central bank.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:41 | 6115299 sgt_doom
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"You idiots should have been reading Chomsky,..."

Unfortunately, too many idiots have been reading or listenting to Chomsky, especially when he spews forth on how we need the Federal Reserve, or how Wall Streeters are really decent folk, it's the system that's bad, ya know?

Seriously, dood, and no offense intended, but the masses have been equally confused by disinformation specialists like Noam Chomsky, Kevin Phillips, the late Chalmers Johnson, Jeremy Rifkin, the fraudsters running the League of Conservation Voters (supporters of Wall Street's infamous "cap-and-trade") and the Nature Conservancy.

Best you read up on Edward Bernays and the National Chamber Litigation Center.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:00 | 6115343 Totentänzerlied
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Yeah I'm gonna need citations with page numbers on that.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:45 | 6115755 TheReplacement
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Yeah we realize you are too stupid to use google.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlvez5TCKdA

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:03 | 6115491 TeethVillage88s
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Sgt_Doom; Yes, I think you mixed up someone else with Chomsky.

Chomsky is like an Anarchist or Anarcho-syndicalism.

Here are some pictures for you to look at. Kirk posted a quote from Wolfgang Von Goethe and this is his favorite Resort town.

Pictures reveal a sort of place balanced with nature, interesting substantial buildings, interesting architecture, a small town feeling shopping area, perhaps a feeling of older patriarchs being in charge, old money families, continuity, but overwhelmingly a sense of stability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmenau

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:50 | 6115769 TheReplacement
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Do tell how you can have anything resembling anarchy/anarcho after abolishing capitalism?  Chomsky hates capitalism.  The only other way is some  sort of statist run economy which is the opposite of anarch* anything.

That is unless you are a progressive (communist/marxist) who uses any word for any meaning that suits him/her/it.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:07 | 6116156 petkovplamen
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according to archeologists, early humans survived against impossible odd exactly because they used community and cooperation. YEs community. Try living in the desert by yourself using ONLY things you have created by yourself and let's see how far you get.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:36 | 6116220 TeethVillage88s
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TheReplacement I'm not sure if I will hit the point.

You may see the world as black or white, capitalist or socialist. But this is wrong. USA, UK, Europe, and Scandinavia are all Mixed Political Economic Systems.

We all have Socialism and Capitalism.

So any future political system likely will have both capitalism and socialism. Wow. You still here?

All Communist systems now have Capitalism since they hidden economies had black market capitalism which buoyed the communist system (helped float).

- I don't know where the hell you come from
- But you got brain washed
- In USA we have Proud People, Traditional Systems, and you got brain washed by one or several of them
- USA is not a Democratic System, Democracy works at the state, local, city level, but we have a Military Republic at the National Level, in fact there is no reason for the Heavy funding of the Central Government other than to fund our Weapons, Expeditionary Military, and military Operations

But probably I can't teach you since I don't know anything about what you think.

There is no place in the US Constitution for a Federal Reserve who charges Interest and supports a private cartel, and there is no place for a superpower military, superpower financial Wall Street, or a superpower Political Machine that lies about govt statistics/govt elections/govt officials/govt history/govt media control/govt education/govt control by wealthy interests.

Enough said.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:21 | 6116197 A Nanny Moose
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Chomsky is no Anarchist. Definitions, defninition, definitions! Greek root: An = without, Arkhos = ruler, leader. Where does Chomsky call for no rulers, or leaders? PLease cite.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:53 | 6116431 The Darwin Mode
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Chomsky would probably identify himself most closely with anarcho-syndicalism. Here's a quote from an interview about 40 years ago:

"The term anarchism is used to cover quite a range of political ideas, but I would prefer to think of it as the libertarian left, and from that point of view anarchism can be conceived as a kind of voluntary socialism, that is, as libertarian socialist or anarcho-syndicalist or communist anarchist, in the tradition of, say, Bakunin and Kropotkin and others. They had in mind a highly organized form of society, but a society that was organized on the basis of organic units, organic communities. And generally, they meant by that the workplace and the neighborhood, and from those two basic units there could derive through federal arrangements a highly integrated kind of social organization which might be national or even international in scope. And these decisions could be made over a substantial range, but by delegates who are always part of the organic community from which they come, to which they return, and in which, in fact, they live."

He goes on to contrast anarcho-syndicalism with our form of "democracy":

"Representative democracy, as in, say, the United States or Great Britain, would be criticized by an anarchist of this school on two grounds. First of all because there is a monopoly of power centralized in the state, and secondly -- and critically -- because the representative democracy is limited to the political sphere and in no serious way encroaches on the economic sphere. Anarchists of this tradition have always held that democratic control of one's productive life is at the core of any serious human liberation, or, for that matter, of any significant democratic practice. That is, as long as individuals are compelled to rent themselves on the market to those who are willing to hire them, as long as their role in production is simply that of ancillary tools, then there are striking elements of coercion and oppression that make talk of democracy very limited, if even meaningful."

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:05 | 6116144 petkovplamen
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well nobody is 100% on the ball. At least Chimsky tells it right for about 80% of the stuff. Nobody else comes close. Bernie Sanders is the other. The list of people speaking the truth in USA is so short, you can count  it on both hands. You take what you can get. What would you recommand, Ayan Rand?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:23 | 6116201 A Nanny Moose
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For all intents an purposes, his 80% may as well be zero. He is very close to the mark, but mis-diagnoses the causes, therefore he fails to provide adequate solutions.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:39 | 6116302 Counterpunch
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for fuck's sake Jews run the US, not corporations.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:24 | 6116760 Refuse-Resist
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Social Justice Warriors (like your downvoters) cannot handle the truth and they certainly can't have more people becoming aware of this truth.

 

The lie about race, sexuality, misandry, and a whole bunch of other shit, in addition to advocating the very things that are destroying our country.

 

Their biggest lies:

1. Diversity is strength

2. Women are 100% the equals of men

3. All straight white men oppress blacks, gays, and women

Anybody care to link up some youtube videos of straight white men committing acts of mob violence against helpless women, blacks, and gays?  There are thousands of youtube videos that show black people committing mob violence, but to point it out is considered racist by the SJWs.

You know what? I don't care about political correctness any more.  I speak facts and form my opinion from those facts.  If people around me don't like it they can just fuck off.  Fear of being shunned is the SJWs most powerful weapon. Quite frankly I don't give a fuck if SJWs shun me or call me names; in fact I find that a better way to live so I welcome their fury.

Fuck them with rusty piece of rebar.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:06 | 6115170 NotApplicable
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This is great. Reads like it was written by James Carville, or that dastardly wife of his.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:25 | 6115252 samsara
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A good post by Jesse's Cafe Americain.

Good Job Tylers

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:01 | 6115344 11b40
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Nice comparison.  Maybe James and Mary wrote it together.

That these 2 individuals are married should tell us all we need to know about both parties being 2 cheeks of the same ass.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:11 | 6115187 Zen Master
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Brilliant! An entire political science coarse in less than 3 minutes.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:17 | 6115223 TeethVillage88s
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The illusion of Democracy is that at the National Level we have a military Republic-Controlled by International Bankers-In a Corporatocracy-With Western Style Socialism-Controlled MSM-And no Representation by Courts & Federal Regulatory Agencies who have been captured by the Big Money Interests & the MIC-Security-Prison System.

we don't have Honest Brokers in DOJ, FBI, SEC, FINRA, FTC, GAO, CBO, FED, Treasury, OCC, FSOC, BCFP, CFTC, FDIC, FHFA, SIPC.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:51 | 6115773 TheReplacement
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Given all you just wrote, we don't have any sort of Republic at all now do we?

Words man.  They mean things.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:14 | 6115204 Bear
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You know, I think this was written by someone with an axe to grind on the Other Side.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:16 | 6115213 Panic Mode
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We bomb a war zone country, change the government and install democracy. It sounds noble but it actually does jack shit at all. If you live in a war zone country, do you really give a rat arse about vote for democracy?? No, all you will care is to get the hell out to somewhere safe and find food & water. Only the educated brainwash clowns will believe media fed democracy BS.

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:27 | 6115261 raywolf
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Afgainsitan wasn't a war zone country before the commies and the yanks decided it was a good idea to invade and infact the taliban cut the opium production practically to zero.... i think the whole afgan thing was only about controlling the opium, where do you think all the morphine for hospitals comes from ?

Iraq was also not a war zone country until the USA installed it's puppet shah, which then led to an islamic revolution (talk about shooting yourself in the foot)... that then led to a war between iran and iraq which was largely funded by the US backing Sadam.....

The US creates the warzone countries, before it later invades them .....

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:44 | 6115269 samsara
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Afghanistan was needed circa 1990's - early 2000ish

Google:

afghanistan pipeline unocal exec in front of congress 1998

"1991-1997: Oil Investment in Central Asia Follows Soviet Collapse

The Soviet Union collapses in 1991, creating several new nations in Central Asia. Major US oil companies, including ExxonMobil, Texaco, Unocal, BP Amoco, Shell, and Enron, directly invest billions in these Central Asian nations, bribing heads of state to secure equity rights in the huge oil reserves in these regions. The oil companies commit to $35 billion
in future direct investments in Kazakhstan. It is believed at the time that these oil fields will have an estimated $6 trillion potential value. US companies own approximately 75 percent of the rights. These companies, however, face the problem of having to pay exorbitant prices to Russia for use of the Russian pipelines to get the oil out

. [NEW YORKER, 7/9/2001; ASIA TIMES, 1/26/2002]"

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timelin...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:42 | 6115304 Bear
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In addition in Islam, a democracy is demonic ... so just how is that going to work

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:13 | 6115516 Billy the Poet
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Democracy is demonic. When Jesus says, "Why did you support the killing of those innocents? Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me," I don't think he'll accept "we took a vote on it" as a valid excuse.

You have to take your own hide to market and therefore you have the right and the responsibility to make your own decisions independent of the crowd.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:44 | 6115310 sgt_doom
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Oh yeah, dood, the US has definitely installed a lot of "democracies" over the years from Iran, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Brazil, Republic of Congo, Chile, Vietnam and most recently, Honduras, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Urkaine.

Yup, those darn people claiming they've gotten shahs and dictators instead of the right to vote for whom they choose, what they hell do they know?

And so it goes in uninformed Ameritard land . . .

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:09 | 6115363 11b40
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That is the problem, right there.  We invade and INSTALL A DEMOCRACY. 

Every time I hear this I want to puke.  A democracy is a disaster waiting to happen, especially in the Middle East.  Without a well written Constitution and legal system to enforce the laws, a democracy deteriorates into a quigmire PDQ.

Too bad all we hear in the media is democracy this and democracy that, and the average American really no longer understands what a wonderful thing a Constitutional Republic is as we just piss it away.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 09:24 | 6115364 11b40
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dup

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:17 | 6115219 medium giraffe
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But please continue to vote and further legitimise a system in which your elected representatives decide your fate in secret, you stupid fucking primates.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:31 | 6115272 TeethVillage88s
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Counter Intelligence Operations against US Citizens in regard to Wars, Reasons for War and use of Military, in regard to Legislation Passage, and toward Future Elections... seems so much like what we expect from Nobility or Royalty and they bankers, lawyers, and politicians.

- Look at the Sale of the Persian Gulf war
- Sale of Iraqi War
- Sale of Vietnam War
- McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform
- Gramm-Leach-Blibley Act
- Arguments for TARP, Bailout Managed by Criminals, QE, ZIRP
- Fixed LIBOR, FX, ISDA-FIX, Silver Fix, Gold Fix, ALGO Trading, Naked Short Selling, HFT

- And 1913 Federal Reserve Act
- World War I
- World War II

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-bigge...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:31 | 6115712 Duc888
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medium Giraffe :But please continue to vote and further legitimise a system in which your elected representatives decide your fate in secret, you stupid fucking primates.

 

Keep  paying taxes too.

Fund your own destruction.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:56 | 6115788 TheReplacement
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Yes, vote for a third party.  You can have your say.  Maybe they won't listen but that isn't on you. 

Not voting but continuing to provide taxes and other cooperation is worse to me.  They can't buy a single bullet with your vote.  They can by all kinds of stuff with your taxes.

Do try to be realistic.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:19 | 6115230 Chupacabra-322
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The 14th Amendmnent creates a 'corporate person' aka 'citizen'. That amendment is the root of the fraud that is currently occuring in this country. This amendment defined what a 'citizen' was, is, and could be. It eliminated all rights to property and transfered them to the state. That is why you must 'register' everything with the state. The term 'registration' means to give up all rights and ownership, that is why no one owns anything in this country, because fictions(corporate persons) are dead and 'tell no tales' and 'own nothing'. Senate Report 93-549 confirms that Americans live under a dictatorship, own no property, and never can. This amendment allowed for the creation of the Act of 1871, which then in turn allowed for the creation of The Federal Reserve Act, which in turn lead to the Emergency Banking Act which dissolved the Republician form of government and replaced with a democracy. This amendment needs to gone the way of the Prohibition Amendment. Do your research the Secretary of State(Not the President who is supposed to) signed the Executive Orders in 1868 ratifing the 14th Amendment ahead of the last state and to publish it. The Secretary of State was the one who finalized it and only the President can finalize them. It is a fraud and needs to go.

I may also add, Look this up CRS Report for Congress Order Code 98-611 page 5, and I quote:

"The sixth executive order, dated July 20, 1868, and concerning the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, was also signed by Secretary Seward and has the form of a proclamation. The same was true of the seventh executive order, dated July 28, 1868, certifying the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and ordering its publication."

Only the President can sign executive orders, and Johnson did not want to sign it. So there is fraud right there, not to mention the fact that 2 states recinded before it was ratified.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:27 | 6115262 samsara
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A Long post that really does merit repeating.

Little known important facts Chup.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:31 | 6115273 raywolf
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It seems to me that both the USA and USSR were both experiments in creating socialist / communist states.... just because the more extreme version (which was more perfect on paper), failed.... doesn't mean that the USA is any less communist.... just look at what the alphabet agencies get upto....

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:19 | 6115365 Chupacabra-322
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With regard to my post above. The Globalist Fascist takeover of the Criminal,Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. & the World for that matter has been conducted incrementally by Stealth.

The Illumunist / NWO / Banking Order / Oligarchs what ever name you give them are the exact same Group of Inner Bred Elite Scum Fuck Families enslaving mankind throughout Centuries. These Pure Evil Lucerferians have ultimately accomplished their Goals through Illusion, Deception, Stealth & their socalled "Hidden Knowledge."

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:50 | 6115320 sgt_doom
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Everything in the Corporate Fascist State of Amerika today is based upon ownership, the main problem is that no one knows who owns anything anymore.

Once upon a time a few people realized that the Rockfeller family owned Chase (and ExxonMobil, and AT&T, etc.) and the du Pont family owned General Motors, etc., but today, thanks to years of cross-stock ownership (which is illegal) and the establishment of private institutional investors (Vanguard, et al.) where no one need file a majority stock owner, since the ownership is split among all those individual private investor accounts, and we cannot know who those private investors are 'cause they are private!

So who owns Chase, Goldman Sachs (majority owner unknown, minority owners are the partners), Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, GE, etc.?

Nobody knows . . .

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:26 | 6115695 samsara
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"Nobody knows . . ."

That's not true. They are known(in certain circles), but not well known(in wider circles).

Do a google search on "Who Owns the Fed" and Who Owns the "City Of London"  for example and start there.  Then do searches on the board of directors, correlate...

Do your research.


Thu, 05/21/2015 - 15:11 | 6118579 trader1
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greatest question of our time:

why should we (not) destroy all records of ownership?

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:59 | 6115797 TheReplacement
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That was informative.  Thank you.

My general opinion is that everything beyond the 10th Amendment should be thrown out and reconsidered (certainly not necessarily rewritten or re-adopted).

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:40 | 6116304 Counterpunch
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I probably agree with you on lots - but almost all of this post is wrong or at least wildly inaccurate.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:30 | 6115267 buzzsaw99
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i don't feel sorry for americans at all. more than half of them like the way things are. i'll save my pity for the other six billion truly oppressed people.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:30 | 6115270 Pumpkin
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The federal government (or state government, for that matter) have no authority over the rights of the people.  Never have, never will.  It is the law of agency.  No representative can be endowed with more power than possessed by whom he represents.  To encumber property of another, without authorization from the owner is a crime.  Always was, always will be.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:34 | 6115287 SmokinMonkey
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Go back to watching Honey Boo boo nothing to see here

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:52 | 6115460 Atomizer
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Precious Plum: Honey Boo Boo Parody Series

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qseH6-DV2gc

/sarc

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:42 | 6115305 Kirk2NCC1701
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In the Communist Era days, the people behind the Iron Curtain KNEW they were not free.

In Crony Capitalism America, the people only THINK they are free.

"NONE ARE MORE HOPELESSLY ENSLAVED THAN THOSE WHO FALSELY BELIEVE THEY ARE FREE" -Goethe

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:36 | 6115431 goneYonder
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"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves." Taubman

I love these jokes: http://www.johndclare.net/Russ12_Jokes.htm

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:53 | 6115463 TeethVillage88s
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Rand Paul is doing a filibuster in congress, but seems he is asking for reform of the Spy system or Domestic Spy System.

It is a pity in the sense that this is palatable to the Demons and Reptiles attending. Rand has found a sort of middle ground in which to fight or base his fight.

What Principals are US Citizen's not willing to give up?

I can become a slave or anyone else, if we have little values, little principals, no Logos, no Ethos, and no Pathos.

Basic Business, budget, and Financial Principals must be considered Conservative and held by both Democrats, Republicans... and even corporate parents and soccer moms.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:41 | 6116305 Counterpunch
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you and your fucking labels.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:39 | 6115435 TeethVillage88s
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And it is pronounced "Gerta" I beleive.

Or well maybe not exactly, but good point.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 18:52 | 6115327 Cityzerosix
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Et tu, Brutus.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:21 | 6115396 Fun Facts
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The pathetic American schmuckdom will believe anything they're told by the zio media and do anything they're told by the corrupt, predatory, bankrupt government.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:22 | 6115398 viator
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Funny I didn't see any Obamaphones, Obamacare, CHIP, WIC, Medicaid, tax credits, TANF, SNAP, Section 8, Child Credits, Low Income Tax Credit, Public Housing, block grants, Headstart, Title XX, Job Corps, Pell Grants, LIHEP, free school lunches, SCHIP, in that cartoon.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 19:42 | 6115436 spooz
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Obviously, the author is on THEIR side, totally ignoring the fact that YOUR SIDE has it all figured out.  

Too bad NEITHER side has looked into the possibility of a BIG eliminating the need for much of the bureaucracy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/what-if-everybody-di...

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